Phil, the reason they went for softer tires in the rear is because the front tires actually “Ballon” way more than the rear tires on any 4x4 RC. Remember , the front tires are the ones that tend to lift off the ground a lot and like I mentioned before that’s on any RC? Love your videos and humor. 🙂💯👍😅
Looks like the rustler and slash diffs fit in the truck also haven't seen anybody run the center diff as well. Hopefully that will solve the diff issues.
I'm fairly certain that the center differential upgrade will at least dramatically reduce breakages on 3S but you'll be into the truck for more than 450 USD once you buy it and it's associated bits along with the 3S system. That's a pretty big investment.
I mean the mini revo for all the hate it gets with its diffs still handles 3s better than this. Why didn’t they just include a stock slipper. Plenty of tenth scale vehicles run locked slippers with more rotating mass delivering shock to the diff and blow less. The truck as a whole just doesn’t seem like it was truly engineered for the 3s upgrade without another $200 just in parts upgrades not including the 3s electronics. My guess is once you do 3s you’ll need the center diff, front and rear diffs, all metal drive shafts. Sounds like a money pit, and that coming from someone that put plenty of money into mini revo’s.
If they would have just charged 350 and made it bullet proof we would all be loving it and only cry about the price. As is we’re crying about the price anyway and it’s garbage.
Been getting my butt kicked on this subject Tomley😂. Traxxas Guys Roll Hard For Their Products. You once again have truly proven all the controversy behind this release. Great Video Bro.
@@5280Recreation yeah. i love the supposed needle between them. talbot talks to the parents, tries to explain why the kids are so excited and tomley talks to the kids, tells them which one is best to get because mum and dad know nothing and santa only once a year. :)
I was at my LHS last week and ended up cancelling my Mini Maxx preorder and paid the difference and took home an MT10 instead. Looks like I made the right decision
The MT10 is much better, and works out cheaper since it won't need new diffs and it's ready for 3S. I'm waiting for my MT10 if royal mail ever deliver it.
@@ritty975 yep , and were they impervious to dust and shite getting in and ruining them ? Just because something was commonplace 15-20 years ago doesn't mean it's a good idea now when better options are readily available
The workers at the hobby shops by me say to never use the self righting with any Traxxas. They say it breaks the differential. Never push that self righting button
I have been told that as well since the 6S X-Maxx was dropped. Every time I go and buy the newest one they still say "dont use the self righting button!" and there will generally be 2 on the bench getting warranty diffs. LOL
I put a new set of diffs in mine. It's been an awesome upgrade. I used these traxxas parts. HD Diff cups from a XO-1 pn: 3978, the gear set from a XO-1 pn: 6882X, and a ring from a 4x4 Slash pn: 6778. You should be able to use 6779 as well. The only difference is the pinion which isn't used anyway.
Well here’s my take, this was expected. Not because it’s traxxas, that everyone loves to hate. But because regardless of what traxxas “claims”, this vehicle was not meant for 3s. All these RC manufacturers put out stuff they “claim” can be upgraded with tons of shiny expensive parts to make them faster. When I saw this thing, common sense told me this was not something that should be upgraded to 3s even if it could, regardless that traxxas claimed it could be. This vehicle is a 2s mini basher and that’s it. I still like it and will definitely get one. But mine will stay box stock 2s so I can enjoy it. If I feel the 3s itch happen, I’ll break out my 3s Arrma granite. Nice informative video, Phil. You’re actually verifying what a lot of us old school RC guys already realized once looking at it.
They have a center differential and metal center drive shaft available eventually. But you're right they shouldn't advertise 3s capable without modifications.
I had a good time stock… but the fact they advertise the VXL system as an upgrade… and even give you a predicted speed… I’d say they are completely to blame if people break them this easy
No buddy, cars like this are begging for 3s power. Traxxas just dropped the ball big time. Phil just showed us all we needed to know. They lied about the durable 10 scale construction they used on this mini. The diffs are clearly never going to be 3s capable.
I want one with the VXL but I would run 2s for bashing and 3s only for speed runs. I view it like my e-maxx brushless edition, it will run 6s but anything other than speed runs it will grenade itself, so I run 4s.
@ 100% agree. It’s a shame these RC companies are allowed to claim these things can be upgraded and handle higher speeds when in all reality, a lot of them can’t.
It’s a shame that traxxas has gone in this direction. My first car was a traxxas slash in 2008. Ran perfect and did everything I need. Traxxas has been going downhill and just re releasing minor variants of old cars. The new Bigfoot for example. Id like to see a solid axle monster truck from them. Can’t imaging the price though
@@ZoomyZoom77 I had to sell my most hard to replace tamiyas (txt 1 boxed, tt01 full build race rtr, tc01 fully modded :( ) as my real car broke down. Totally utterly gutted.
Why is it so bad that Traxxas rereleases old variants of their old cars such as the slash and rustler? The slash platform is a very tough and reliable platform that has been selling great for years so that’s why they keep building off of it, and with the xmaxx/maxx/mini maxx, they have just been making shrunk down versions of the xmaxx which has proven to be a great truck. Arrma has been doing the same thing with their cars, most of their 2 and 3s cars have been following the same platform for years and they have not changed it, and it is the same with the 4s/6s/8s trucks because they are all based off of one another
Change the wheels so your running the same compound all round, could be because of the rear wheels expanding more changing the front/rear ratios on the internal gears somehow🤷
The rears are sticker to help it wheely. Running on 3s with a lot more power, sticky tires and no slipper or center diff means shredded rear diff. I will bet the VXL version will come with the center diff.
Nothing like Traxxas quality! I used to hate them because of issues like this,gotten used to it over the years,but they definitely market well or they wouldn't sell at all!
Traxxas, we’ll sell you the problem AND the solution! 😂 I think anyone that’s been in the hobby long enough knows better than to keep buying Traxxas. Other than the UDR and the TRX4/M I’ve never been impressed with anything they’ve come out with. I don’t personally own a UDR but I love the scale design and size, but I don’t trust anything Traxxas makes that goes over 15mph.
Sad for you. Ive owned a second hand X-maxx for almost a year now and the only thing I've replaced are wheels/tires, bodies and bumpers. No major issues and LOADS of fun.
Thanks for that info Phil! On my 4S Maxx I have been running the stock fronts with Proline badlands in the rear for a couple years now as it made the rig the most stable and easy to control on the ground AND the air. Seeing Traxxas seeing a similar compound difference tells me I may have been onto something. LOL
I’m surprised how nice you are being about how bad this v1 Traxxas has been. Hopefully they see YOUR video and make the necessary updates. You were more than fair and they should have it down by now how to release a v1 that delivers what they advertise.
Once a company is geared up (!!) for CNC machining gears from decent heat treated steel for all of their models, it cannot be that expensive to implement them? I'm sure most people would take a hit to the fancy paint schemes to get totally reliable mechanical components.
You did me a great service with making me do my own research, I almost bought into the whole Traxxas ecosystem, found out their electronics needed replacing so now that money is going towards a SCX6 that I got 20% off. I know they're 2 completely diff vehicles, but I wanted something to play around with when walking the dog. I've made the right choice it seems to by this video.
My guess on the stiffer front tires is they KNEW that the diff is an issue and they wanted to make sure that you weren't going to blow the tire off the rim when the rear diff inevitably destroys itself.
Exactly why I didn’t get one.. I instead got the Arrma Typhon and Mojave BLX groms. Mojave still on order but the Typhon is so great I got two! If Traxxas upgraded this to a proper 3S vehicle I’m passing and sticking with my regular maxx. That one is tough as nails
Well... Marketing generates desire, which generates demand from the public, so... Yeah, I'd say it's fundamental to any business. Quality and value, however... Is tricky. Because you can't measure value and quality... Who cares if something is really well built, high quality, if no one needs it?
I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Tell me one thing keyboard warrior. What have you engineered, designed, mass produced and marketed? Traxxas has the most durable line of RC cars on the market no questions asked. Watch thunder rc and see how much punishment Traxxas tough can go through. No company is perfect but most try their best otherwise no one would repeat buy and that's not good for business.
I worked in a hobby shop for a while and one of the first things we told people that were looking at vehicles which had self righting was to not do that. It’s insanely destructive. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Second thing i relate back to the full size cars. You can’t expect gearing to hold up when you add a motor that has 50% more power. Put NOS on your car and upgrade nothing else and see what happens. I’m not defending Traxxas at all. Same thing happens when crawlers switch from brushed to brushless. I’d rather have the 1/16 Erevo that’s already 3s capable out of the box.
I'm just getting back into it after 10 years. I own 5 traxxas from slash to 1/8th custom stampede. They're durability and interchangeable parts have always kept me loyal. But I'm starting to see things I don't like. Are they really getting that bad? New subscriber and enjoy this gents no nonsense reviews. Happy bashing people.
I really enjoy your video's, and hope I can provide a perspective as a hobby store owner. (We are the biggest Exclusive dealer for Traxxas in the west coast. US). It's definitely the self-righting feature with the issues you are having. Our team took it to the local skate park and didn't have the issues you are having with our installed 3s system. But then again, we didn't use the self righting features. Love the honest and unbiased reviews tho! Some of the well known content creators were hating on Traxxas for not taking part of the affiliate compensations link and pushing brands that paid to review. 😂😂😂
By the way, we've sold over 100 Mini Maxxes in several days. Haven't had one complaint yet. 2S is plenty good enough with descent amount of power. Last night we had the staff from RC Car Action Magazine staff join our group for 3 hours of bashing and nothing broke. 10' high jumps and multiple Mini Maxx races at our track and every truck survived. I honestly wouldn't recommend using the 3S system. Had way too much power for 1/16 and didn't really enjoy using it. But if you do, use the rear diff set up from Slash 4x4 (1/10) scale. For about $25, it fixes the problem you are having.
Wild guess. I think you can hear a slight "click" when the diff broke the 2nd time. It was mid air, you applied quite a bit throttle and then hit the brake hard for air control. You showed us that the rear tires balloon a bit more. So maybe they have more "leverage" on the axle when you brake, which is just enough to destroy the diff, while the front tires have less "leverage" so it wont break the diff. Would be interesting to try front tires on the rear and try again. Or Traxxas just want´s you to buy the optional slipper clutch :D
This is super helpful! We planned to go vxl right away. But now, we will wait until Traxxas sorts this out. If only the bl-2s had just a little more in it, that would have been great. Bummer, but we are going to wait.
That's no surprise the Diff explode. 😅 I've had the same issues with my mini E-Revo VXL even in stock on 3s. Meanwhile, it's upgrades to a big hobbywing combo. You really need a center Diff and a solid rear Diff and tune it with the right Diff oil.
This was going to be my first traxxas since the nitro roster, oh well. It's far more entertaining to troll people who continue to over spend only to end up with shredded monkey metal😂😂😂
Absolutely not bulletproof diffs in this one. I Ordered one just for little fun bash sessions. If it arrives i will put my hobbywing 3s system in and put some 20mil diff fluid in to hopefully prevent that to happen to mine before third party diff upgrades come out. I love my X-maxx and get it why so many people hate that mini maxx at this moment and traxxas for lying about some aspects of that car + the high price tag. I already have a solution for the easy body pop offs hopefully and then see how it goes alonge with the locked diffs on 3s. Like your videos and your honest words with each product. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Austria!
It having softer tyres on the rear will raise the back at higher speeds to keep it level, which would keep it more stable at higher speeds. Maybe a reason why they've done it, it would make sense because it's a small car, stability isn't normally a strong point with smaller cars.
I want one too because I want to own all three sizes but it's just too expensive for what it is. They should have done the bl-2s cheaper and the VXL version with a center diff (and hopefully better rear diff) and TQi with TSM for $300.
great video, no punches pulled and you have stopped me dead in my tracks from getting one......okay that was a lie as i just dont buy traxxarse, these diffs should NOT blow on one pack not even after 10 packs i bet even stock on 2s the rear is gonna quit after short time
A few people are blaming my driving… but fail to realise I drive the same with everything, and nothing has broken this quickly out of the small scale stuff
Love this channel I love the honest and straight to the point opinion and I make you right, please keep updates on mini maxx as I was thinking about buying one but now with the diff problem I’m unsure
Watching you play in the snow has got me thinking🤔 You should hurry up and get a place here in florida before kevin does!😂 So you can say he copied you!😂
I just got one, the Vaugn Gittin Jr. one. Im in the States, just go to your local hobby shop and ask them about buying one. I got mine on red stage sale for 200.00 last Saturday.
@TomleyRc figured out why there's squat in the rear. It's there to take stress off the motor and drivetrain. When we give our trucks the beans the axles naturally want to straighten, same with a full size car as well. Takes a bit of power away from the truck yo keep it straight while driving. Why not remove this issue from the start. Also the esc for the mini maxx has a programed delay when changing direction. Call support to complain only to find that it's on purpose. 😮
@JohnSmith-ef8nr Looks like we can add swaybars, but they don't seem to have released them yet. I want to order some. Unless they come fitted but weren't on pre-production models.
I really believe that this little truck needs to be left just how it is , that diff will never hold up to vxl power , I'm thinking waiting for the upgrade version ,,,, we all know it's coming , steel gears in the diff
I don't think having 2 different sets of tires is going to be kind to a drive train without a slipper clutch. Get more grip in the rear than the front, strip out your spur gear. 7:45 it's not "pot metal" it's called sintering, where you take shavings of steel and press them with heat to make a gear out of powdered steel. And Traxxas use sintered steel for their Xmaxx spurs as well.
Good review. I am surprised at the diff weakness, the max series has always been pretty reliable. I always had diff trouble with my summit, actually with all my older traxxas rigs. I have gone away from traxxas in the past years. The crawlers are well made and like I said the maxx series has seemed reliable
@TomleyRC it's what the traxxas reps tell you that it needs to be upgraded with a center diff and metal driveshaft to handle the power and distribute the power when upgrading to the vxl. Watch the Vegas videos the rep explains it all
A major contribution to the gearbox distruction was landing jumps, especially big ones, under power. Everybody who reads and or races rc knows you're supposed to let off the throttle as you come off the ramp, for this very reason.😮
What about the last diff… where it went up the ramp on full throttle all diffs good…got tangled in the tree and fell with 0 Throttle input whatsoever and had a broken diff 🤷🏼♂️
Different wheel diameter means different speeds, so, you get torque differences between front and rear axles. Thats why they break. I think it should work if you have the same compound wheels front and rear.
It is impossible for me in my country to get Rlaarlo parts in less than an hour in any hobby or toy store. This is one of the reasons why I bought some traxxas models, their after sales service is excellent, and their cars are as good as some arrma I had for example. I don't know where you live but you are really lucky to be able to find Rlaarlo parts so quickly.
It's a level one skill toy. It works pretty damn good out of the box on 2s. If you want to overpower it you need to upgrade the drivetrain, simple as that. Unfortunately they didn't write it on the box but even I heard multiple times before it was released that it will require drivetrain upgrades to go 3s. I think people to need to take it down a notch.
That's too bad. I know I have heard that you have to be careful about doing a lot of self righting. But, the diff should hold up a lot better. I think if you contact Traxxas or the seller you can get a replacement. I am sure you're not the only one with that experience. It's good you did your test. It may save some people trouble. You have tested some great small bashers. From what I've seen one of the best, which came out recently, is the Rlaarlo Omni Terminator, It's on sale right now.
What a bag O' balls.!! £280.!! 🤯 😲 🤯 It's not that the Chinese manufacturers are beating the big names... It's that the big names are literally just handing Chinese manufacturers the W.!! Arrma seems to be finally understanding the market... Just.! 😉
Don't know if anyone has said this already but I think traxxas did the different compound on the tires to hold the front end down more. If the rear expand more than it should push the front end down more
Great response to viewers comments 👌 and that thing shifts now! 😮😅😅 I would definitely consider a mini max, stock form it performs just as you would hope and expect 👌
@TomleyRC ruclips.net/video/hMKHZDliJgs/видео.htmlsi=ld6cOGxKV2WYT85v Start the video at 5min. even my local Hobby shop told me when I pre-ordered mine if you go vxl3s you need the center diff upgrade to save the diffs. Nothing wrong with the mini maxx, you just need to do your research before saying it has a major weakness. More like operator error to me.
'Recommended'.... they should say 'essential'. And not having anything written anywhere to say that is on them not me. You think every owner will watch that video and listen to that one very small segment...? you're crazy dude....
@TomleyRC common sense would tell you should probably listen to them, obviously they know what they are talking about. Sorry your just another traxxas hater. I guess recommended means. Naw I'm good ill let it break amd then say it has a major flaw for youtube views.
@@popcorn8199 The thing with Common sense is that it’s not very common. If you think about 10 seconds in a video explaining it is good enough… then that’s cool, but common sense would say they should put it in the manual right? 😘
can you give me the exact dimensions of the wheel base, width, clearance height, pinch the tires harder for me and oh yeah, tell me the in price in CAD$ AND Rupees. kthxby
This is the same problem that plagued my 1/16 Traxxas Revo Vxl. On 1 pack nimh or 2s it was fine, throw in 2 nimh packs or a 3s and I cannot tell you how many diffs I destroyed. There was finally a solution which was the center diff plus making sure the front and rear diffs were shimmed perfectly. It fixed my merv but at the cost of time and money and speed, it may be doing 37-40 now not 50 on 3s and 2 nimh packs. It was a solution to a problem that should not have existed and it seems the trend continues with the new mini line the mini maxx which is super disappointing as I have my 4s Maxx and love it and had high expectations of this mini.
Well this issue sure seems like a throw back to the 1/16 Erevo VXL days.. diff after diff.. while the box advertises 3S brushless is okay. They should have put in a center diff..
@TomleyRC I'm trying some ripp off H.R racing diffs from ebay. Saying that they use the stock internals. I have used supper thick diff fluid tho I'm sure that will help with the shock. But I've have my summit for 5 years now and the diffs have always let me down . But I've have 5 good runns with the new diff and it's the best it's ever been also running buggy indoor racing weels and tyers on it now to keep the wheels light. It's alot of fun now. Cheers dude ✌️
My first brushless set up was in a 2wd stampede. I made it virtually indestructible except the diff gears! By far weakest link! Went to the proline pro 32 gearbox and I’m still on original gears lol
@TomleyRC "The cats out of the bag! The new traxxas Mini Maxx!" I saw it in a few announcement videos, but the one from Mark Santa Maria's video with this title is the only one I could find for you. Sorry, man Anyway, it's around 05:20 when the announcer says it.
That's not good enough from them. If they know that.... why not put a few words in the manual, or on the website. And they say 'recommended' which means it's not essential
The Rlaarlo Omni Carbon must be built different in the UK. I’ve had three in the US and each one was built terribly and had lots of issues. Electronics failing, diff issues, broken steering components, missing parts, etc CS is in China. Takes about a month to get any replacement parts. Their aluminum upgrades,ie diff cover were burred up bad and sharp af
This is the same problem I had with my E-Revo brushless first gen. It didn't had a center diff, the thing was made of glass every single time I played with it the diffs would break.
It needs to center death. So you stop blowing out the rear diff. The frontiers are built-in, so it'll keep power to the rear. The validity of 3 means to centerday.I need a lou vuitton center drive
The harder front tires are because they have far less weight on them when running full throttle thus balloon faster. I'm guessing they were shooting for an even ballooning effect at full throttle.
My sweet spot so far is a VXL-3s kit on the 2s battery. Got 43 out of it and hasn't broken. Yet. Plus lose that crappy servo for an Amazon 40kg, $27 servo.
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Traxxas need to use machined metal, not the stupid sintered steel stuff
Phil, the reason they went for softer tires in the rear is because the front tires actually “Ballon” way more than the rear tires on any 4x4 RC. Remember , the front tires are the ones that tend to lift off the ground a lot and like I mentioned before that’s on any RC? Love your videos and humor. 🙂💯👍😅
Looks like the rustler and slash diffs fit in the truck also haven't seen anybody run the center diff as well. Hopefully that will solve the diff issues.
I'm fairly certain that the center differential upgrade will at least dramatically reduce breakages on 3S but you'll be into the truck for more than 450 USD once you buy it and it's associated bits along with the 3S system. That's a pretty big investment.
I mean the mini revo for all the hate it gets with its diffs still handles 3s better than this. Why didn’t they just include a stock slipper. Plenty of tenth scale vehicles run locked slippers with more rotating mass delivering shock to the diff and blow less. The truck as a whole just doesn’t seem like it was truly engineered for the 3s upgrade without another $200 just in parts upgrades not including the 3s electronics. My guess is once you do 3s you’ll need the center diff, front and rear diffs, all metal drive shafts. Sounds like a money pit, and that coming from someone that put plenty of money into mini revo’s.
The mini erevo was 299 ten years ago and much better.
If they would have just charged 350 and made it bullet proof we would all be loving it and only cry about the price. As is we’re crying about the price anyway and it’s garbage.
Yes.. upgrading an already expensive car just makes it pointless
@@TomleyRCthat’s exactly why I bought the HB Toys R1001 Beluga over a TRX4. Mines pretty heavily upgraded and still came out cheaper then a used trx4
Traxxas killing it ,in the wrong way
@@davekessing2266 good title 😅
😂 Made me snort I laughed so hard 😂🤣😂🤣
This truck needs a slipper or something as standard. Having direct drive is kinda dumb especially with planetary differential gears.
Yes… seems they have cut some corners
@@TomleyRC what? Really? No slipper clutch in the mini maxx?
@@AsurasWrath164 Nope no slipper, it's direct drive. They have a slipper or center diffs as options.
@@robwiljas That is prety cheap of Traxxas. Should have slipper included.
They have one you can order it just don't come stock yet but I see it causing enough of a problem the v2 will have it
Been getting my butt kicked on this subject Tomley😂. Traxxas Guys Roll Hard For Their Products. You once again have truly proven all the controversy behind this release. Great Video Bro.
Haha.. it doesn’t matter what you say… the hardcore Traxxas fans will find an excuse and defend them
@@TomleyRC Yea i pretty give up tryna prove i dont hate traxxas, just dissapointed. See ya next vid
You know, Kev is falling off when you’re beating him to the TRAXXAS reviews😂😂
@@wheelsdownrc6348 you’d think a Traxxas fanboy like Kev would be first to get them 😅
@@TomleyRCwhat are you a fanboy of? Obviously you’re a Traxxas hater
@@TomleyRCHe would destroy it too. Great for RUclips but I’m guessing a lot of kiddos will be smiling ear to ear this Christmas on 2S.
@@5280Recreation yeah. i love the supposed needle between them. talbot talks to the parents, tries to explain why the kids are so excited and tomley talks to the kids, tells them which one is best to get because mum and dad know nothing and santa only once a year. :)
@@TomleyRC
Talbot is a tool
I was at my LHS last week and ended up cancelling my Mini Maxx preorder and paid the difference and took home an MT10 instead. Looks like I made the right decision
You won’t be disappointed the MT10 is fantastic. A little tricky to work on but you’ll hardly ever have to!
great choise
The MT10 is much better, and works out cheaper since it won't need new diffs and it's ready for 3S.
I'm waiting for my MT10 if royal mail ever deliver it.
@@JohnSmith-ef8nrdid it arrive 🇬🇧
@@momentarylapsofreason
It did, I also brought a second used MT10 to use for parts.
I haven't had a chance to run it yet.
Vented motor so that traxxas can sell you another when all the dirt and dust gets in and kills it ! 😂😂
😅
You do realize that before brushless motors came out that all the good aftermarket brushed motors was vented
@@ritty975 yep , and were they impervious to dust and shite getting in and ruining them ? Just because something was commonplace 15-20 years ago doesn't mean it's a good idea now when better options are readily available
@@rab.. I never had a problem with them we use to break them in with a cup of water but yes they are now basically out dated
The workers at the hobby shops by me say to never use the self righting with any Traxxas. They say it breaks the differential. Never push that self righting button
With the plastic gears, that's not surprising.
Gotta try it at least once tho
I have been told that as well since the 6S X-Maxx was dropped. Every time I go and buy the newest one they still say "dont use the self righting button!" and there will generally be 2 on the bench getting warranty diffs. LOL
It works like a champ on My 4x4 VXL Stampede and I have yet to blow a diff.
Kev said he's never blown a diff from doing it, that's good enough for me!
I put a new set of diffs in mine. It's been an awesome upgrade. I used these traxxas parts. HD Diff cups from a XO-1 pn: 3978, the gear set from a XO-1 pn: 6882X, and a ring from a 4x4 Slash pn: 6778. You should be able to use 6779 as well. The only difference is the pinion which isn't used anyway.
Well here’s my take, this was expected. Not because it’s traxxas, that everyone loves to hate. But because regardless of what traxxas “claims”, this vehicle was not meant for 3s. All these RC manufacturers put out stuff they “claim” can be upgraded with tons of shiny expensive parts to make them faster. When I saw this thing, common sense told me this was not something that should be upgraded to 3s even if it could, regardless that traxxas claimed it could be. This vehicle is a 2s mini basher and that’s it. I still like it and will definitely get one. But mine will stay box stock 2s so I can enjoy it. If I feel the 3s itch happen, I’ll break out my 3s Arrma granite. Nice informative video, Phil. You’re actually verifying what a lot of us old school RC guys already realized once looking at it.
They have a center differential and metal center drive shaft available eventually. But you're right they shouldn't advertise 3s capable without modifications.
I had a good time stock… but the fact they advertise the VXL system as an upgrade… and even give you a predicted speed… I’d say they are completely to blame if people break them this easy
No buddy, cars like this are begging for 3s power. Traxxas just dropped the ball big time. Phil just showed us all we needed to know. They lied about the durable 10 scale construction they used on this mini. The diffs are clearly never going to be 3s capable.
I want one with the VXL but I would run 2s for bashing and 3s only for speed runs. I view it like my e-maxx brushless edition, it will run 6s but anything other than speed runs it will grenade itself, so I run 4s.
@ 100% agree. It’s a shame these RC companies are allowed to claim these things can be upgraded and handle higher speeds when in all reality, a lot of them can’t.
It’s a shame that traxxas has gone in this direction. My first car was a traxxas slash in 2008. Ran perfect and did everything I need. Traxxas has been going downhill and just re releasing minor variants of old cars. The new Bigfoot for example. Id like to see a solid axle monster truck from them. Can’t imaging the price though
Think kyosho has a amazing solid axle truck as i wanted one but am poverty.
@@cutterbaconyessir I can relate, I sold all my RC cars a few months ago
@@ZoomyZoom77 I had to sell my most hard to replace tamiyas (txt 1 boxed, tt01 full build race rtr, tc01 fully modded :( ) as my real car broke down. Totally utterly gutted.
Why is it so bad that Traxxas rereleases old variants of their old cars such as the slash and rustler? The slash platform is a very tough and reliable platform that has been selling great for years so that’s why they keep building off of it, and with the xmaxx/maxx/mini maxx, they have just been making shrunk down versions of the xmaxx which has proven to be a great truck. Arrma has been doing the same thing with their cars, most of their 2 and 3s cars have been following the same platform for years and they have not changed it, and it is the same with the 4s/6s/8s trucks because they are all based off of one another
@@Fordhykerjet don’t you think it gets boring? I don’t want to buy 8 traxxas slash 4x4s. I’ll just have one
Change the wheels so your running the same compound all round, could be because of the rear wheels expanding more changing the front/rear ratios on the internal gears somehow🤷
That’s something I thought could be the issue… if the rear are ballooning and unbalancing the gear ratio it could easily lead to drive train issues
The rears are sticker to help it wheely. Running on 3s with a lot more power, sticky tires and no slipper or center diff means shredded rear diff. I will bet the VXL version will come with the center diff.
@TomleyRC I didn't think about if the wheel's were unbalanced but yeah that could definitely increase the chance of damage.
Nothing like Traxxas quality! I used to hate them because of issues like this,gotten used to it over the years,but they definitely market well or they wouldn't sell at all!
Traxxas, we’ll sell you the problem AND the solution! 😂 I think anyone that’s been in the hobby long enough knows better than to keep buying Traxxas. Other than the UDR and the TRX4/M I’ve never been impressed with anything they’ve come out with. I don’t personally own a UDR but I love the scale design and size, but I don’t trust anything Traxxas makes that goes over 15mph.
@@VS666 they love doing this
Yes.. 100%
Sad for you.
Ive owned a second hand X-maxx for almost a year now and the only thing I've replaced are wheels/tires, bodies and bumpers.
No major issues and LOADS of fun.
Trx4,thats if something can be called almost perfect,but otherwise,nahj
My udr is the biggest pos ever but I do bash the crap out of it.
The centre diff or slipper option might help
I don't know where traxxas is sourcing its metal from but I've seen plastic that's stronger than their cheap metal gears
Yeah, it’s certainly not great quality!
Thanks for that info Phil! On my 4S Maxx I have been running the stock fronts with Proline badlands in the rear for a couple years now as it made the rig the most stable and easy to control on the ground AND the air. Seeing Traxxas seeing a similar compound difference tells me I may have been onto something. LOL
I’m surprised how nice you are being about how bad this v1 Traxxas has been. Hopefully they see YOUR video and make the necessary updates.
You were more than fair and they should have it down by now how to release a v1 that delivers what they advertise.
Once a company is geared up (!!) for CNC machining gears from decent heat treated steel for all of their models, it cannot be that expensive to implement them? I'm sure most people would take a hit to the fancy paint schemes to get totally reliable mechanical components.
You did me a great service with making me do my own research, I almost bought into the whole Traxxas ecosystem, found out their electronics needed replacing so now that money is going towards a SCX6 that I got 20% off.
I know they're 2 completely diff vehicles, but I wanted something to play around with when walking the dog.
I've made the right choice it seems to by this video.
My guess on the stiffer front tires is they KNEW that the diff is an issue and they wanted to make sure that you weren't going to blow the tire off the rim when the rear diff inevitably destroys itself.
Exactly why I didn’t get one.. I instead got the Arrma Typhon and Mojave BLX groms. Mojave still on order but the Typhon is so great I got two! If Traxxas upgraded this to a proper 3S vehicle I’m passing and sticking with my regular maxx. That one is tough as nails
I think Traxxas, Tesla, and Apple are proof that marketing is drastically more important than value or quality.
Well... Marketing generates desire, which generates demand from the public, so... Yeah, I'd say it's fundamental to any business.
Quality and value, however... Is tricky. Because you can't measure value and quality... Who cares if something is really well built, high quality, if no one needs it?
Well from my experiences with the apple stuff.. quality is top notch..
@@BeardRubEnjoyer facts .
@@1rcbking enjoy tech Android had 5-10 years ago 👍🤣
I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Tell me one thing keyboard warrior. What have you engineered, designed, mass produced and marketed? Traxxas has the most durable line of RC cars on the market no questions asked. Watch thunder rc and see how much punishment Traxxas tough can go through. No company is perfect but most try their best otherwise no one would repeat buy and that's not good for business.
I worked in a hobby shop for a while and one of the first things we told people that were looking at vehicles which had self righting was to not do that. It’s insanely destructive. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Second thing i relate back to the full size cars. You can’t expect gearing to hold up when you add a motor that has 50% more power. Put NOS on your car and upgrade nothing else and see what happens. I’m not defending Traxxas at all. Same thing happens when crawlers switch from brushed to brushless.
I’d rather have the 1/16 Erevo that’s already 3s capable out of the box.
I'm just getting back into it after 10 years. I own 5 traxxas from slash to 1/8th custom stampede. They're durability and interchangeable parts have always kept me loyal. But I'm starting to see things I don't like. Are they really getting that bad? New subscriber and enjoy this gents no nonsense reviews. Happy bashing people.
I really enjoy your video's, and hope I can provide a perspective as a hobby store owner. (We are the biggest Exclusive dealer for Traxxas in the west coast. US). It's definitely the self-righting feature with the issues you are having. Our team took it to the local skate park and didn't have the issues you are having with our installed 3s system. But then again, we didn't use the self righting features. Love the honest and unbiased reviews tho! Some of the well known content creators were hating on Traxxas for not taking part of the affiliate compensations link and pushing brands that paid to review. 😂😂😂
By the way, we've sold over 100 Mini Maxxes in several days. Haven't had one complaint yet. 2S is plenty good enough with descent amount of power. Last night we had the staff from RC Car Action Magazine staff join our group for 3 hours of bashing and nothing broke. 10' high jumps and multiple Mini Maxx races at our track and every truck survived. I honestly wouldn't recommend using the 3S system. Had way too much power for 1/16 and didn't really enjoy using it. But if you do, use the rear diff set up from Slash 4x4 (1/10) scale. For about $25, it fixes the problem you are having.
Wild guess. I think you can hear a slight "click" when the diff broke the 2nd time. It was mid air, you applied quite a bit throttle and then hit the brake hard for air control. You showed us that the rear tires balloon a bit more. So maybe they have more "leverage" on the axle when you brake, which is just enough to destroy the diff, while the front tires have less "leverage" so it wont break the diff.
Would be interesting to try front tires on the rear and try again. Or Traxxas just want´s you to buy the optional slipper clutch :D
This is super helpful! We planned to go vxl right away. But now, we will wait until Traxxas sorts this out. If only the bl-2s had just a little more in it, that would have been great. Bummer, but we are going to wait.
Yeah... Not 3s ready, for sure, Phil... 😕
Anyway, thanks for testing it!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Yes.. certainly wasn’t what I expected!
That's no surprise the Diff explode. 😅
I've had the same issues with my mini E-Revo VXL even in stock on 3s.
Meanwhile, it's upgrades to a big hobbywing combo.
You really need a center Diff and a solid rear Diff and tune it with the right Diff oil.
This was going to be my first traxxas since the nitro roster, oh well. It's far more entertaining to troll people who continue to over spend only to end up with shredded monkey metal😂😂😂
Oh man that hornet in the back that’s the only rc car I had growing up in the 80s
Absolutely not bulletproof diffs in this one. I Ordered one just for little fun bash sessions. If it arrives i will put my hobbywing 3s system in and put some 20mil diff fluid in to hopefully prevent that to happen to mine before third party diff upgrades come out. I love my X-maxx and get it why so many people hate that mini maxx at this moment and traxxas for lying about some aspects of that car + the high price tag. I already have a solution for the easy body pop offs hopefully and then see how it goes alonge with the locked diffs on 3s. Like your videos and your honest words with each product. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Austria!
Advertise 3s Upgrades but you'd need there HD gears that aren't out yet.... Makes sense Traxxa$$
*fart noise
Tomley's typical Traxxas love/hate affair
You Mr Tomley RC were giving FULL THROTTLE on several Landings ! That would destroy the diff on any RC vehicle. be honest !
If that was the case I’d have destroyed the diffs on multiple Rc cars by now as I drive them all the same 👌
@ you’re also ignoring the fact that you didn’t install the center differential like Traxxas instructed like you admitted hearing
It having softer tyres on the rear will raise the back at higher speeds to keep it level, which would keep it more stable at higher speeds. Maybe a reason why they've done it, it would make sense because it's a small car, stability isn't normally a strong point with smaller cars.
thought I was watching a KT video for a moment, never seen so much destruction in a short space of time 😂
If I’m not mistaken I think Traxxas is gonna offer a center diff as a hop up which is recommended when you switch to 3s
Upgrading this will be to expensive not worh it at this scale but i still want one 😂😂
Yeah… may as well buy an Xmaxx for probably the same price as upgrading 😅
@TomleyRC 🤣🤣🤣 yes your the best
I want one too because I want to own all three sizes but it's just too expensive for what it is. They should have done the bl-2s cheaper and the VXL version with a center diff (and hopefully better rear diff) and TQi with TSM for $300.
Just get the maxx if you want to go faster keep the mini stock 👌
great video, no punches pulled and you have stopped me dead in my tracks from getting one......okay that was a lie as i just dont buy traxxarse, these diffs should NOT blow on one pack not even after 10 packs i bet even stock on 2s the rear is gonna quit after short time
A few people are blaming my driving… but fail to realise I drive the same with everything, and nothing has broken this quickly out of the small scale stuff
@@TomleyRC Nowt wrong with ya driving, simply the diffs are not up to claimed upgrade and bet they dont last so long on stock
Love this channel I love the honest and straight to the point opinion and I make you right, please keep updates on mini maxx as I was thinking about buying one but now with the diff problem I’m unsure
Watching you play in the snow has got me thinking🤔 You should hurry up and get a place here in florida before kevin does!😂 So you can say he copied you!😂
Haha… although I’d not move out the Florida. As much as it’s a cool place, it’s not for me
Oi, Traxxas fan boy here! You’re in the UK that’s -30c so not fair!
that savage xs is my dream rc car 😍😩
I just got one, the Vaugn Gittin Jr. one. Im in the States, just go to your local hobby shop and ask them about buying one. I got mine on red stage sale for 200.00 last Saturday.
Is there an upgrade for the diffs
@TomleyRc figured out why there's squat in the rear. It's there to take stress off the motor and drivetrain. When we give our trucks the beans the axles naturally want to straighten, same with a full size car as well. Takes a bit of power away from the truck yo keep it straight while driving. Why not remove this issue from the start. Also the esc for the mini maxx has a programed delay when changing direction. Call support to complain only to find that it's on purpose. 😮
Can't wait for the Senton and Vorteks 223s review. Just bought them my first Arrma's. Hope they are good.
Me too, im waiting for the Mojove grom BLX and senton 223s in the uk.
@JohnSmith-ef8nr Looks like we can add swaybars, but they don't seem to have released them yet. I want to order some. Unless they come fitted but weren't on pre-production models.
Not sure I’ll get them for a while… but will certainly put them on my list
I really believe that this little truck needs to be left just how it is , that diff will never hold up to vxl power , I'm thinking waiting for the upgrade version ,,,, we all know it's coming , steel gears in the diff
i for one appreciate you driving to the skatepark and breaking it a few times
Well.. I was hoping for a bit more time there lol
I don't think having 2 different sets of tires is going to be kind to a drive train without a slipper clutch. Get more grip in the rear than the front, strip out your spur gear.
7:45 it's not "pot metal" it's called sintering, where you take shavings of steel and press them with heat to make a gear out of powdered steel.
And Traxxas use sintered steel for their Xmaxx spurs as well.
They make a center differential for them, right??
Good review. I am surprised at the diff weakness, the max series has always been pretty reliable. I always had diff trouble with my summit, actually with all my older traxxas rigs. I have gone away from traxxas in the past years. The crawlers are well made and like I said the maxx series has seemed reliable
Heck yah mini savage getting love! By far th toughest besides the amazon trucks
FYI tire style they got that from their bandits
Does it have a slipper in it?
Way to go Traxxas. Overprice a "mini" and build it week. *UPGRADES!*........$$$$$$....😆
Did they source the diffs from the same place RedCat did?
I mean, if they did, they'd be much stronger I'd assume lol
My Redcat (well, it's rebranded but it's a RedCat) came with some insanely beefy metal-geared diffs.
Are the Front wheel is belted
What are those gears made of and how cold was it outside when you blew multiple diffs?
I imagine it was freezing the center line on the bottom with the snow and ice.
To stop ballooning on the front ?
They advertise it with the upgraded center diff that will help save the rear diff. They specifically say not to run it without the center diff
No they don't
@TomleyRC it's what the traxxas reps tell you that it needs to be upgraded with a center diff and metal driveshaft to handle the power and distribute the power when upgrading to the vxl. Watch the Vegas videos the rep explains it all
@@Mikey45013 The Rep says in the video it comes with a slipper clutch... how can you trust a rep if they can't even get that right lol.
We're they hardened steel gears?
A major contribution to the gearbox distruction was landing jumps, especially big ones, under power. Everybody who reads and or races rc knows you're supposed to let off the throttle as you come off the ramp, for this very reason.😮
What about the last diff… where it went up the ramp on full throttle all diffs good…got tangled in the tree and fell with 0 Throttle input whatsoever and had a broken diff 🤷🏼♂️
I'm pretty sure the cold temperature has a lot to do with how the components handle abuse, but the rear diff is pretty whack😮😅
Yeah, cold temps for the plastics. But the diff is 100% a weak point
The old Mini LST problem. They blew rear diffs like crazy too. Spools were the fix back then
I went through a lot of center and rear diffs on mine.
Different wheel diameter means different speeds, so, you get torque differences between front and rear axles. Thats why they break. I think it should work if you have the same compound wheels front and rear.
Yes, could be the reason
say no to Traxxas!!! expecially this time the mini maxx!!! Say hello to Rlaarlo! Everybody should try ! Omni termintor and ROG 1!!! Try, no doubt!
It is impossible for me in my country to get Rlaarlo parts in less than an hour in any hobby or toy store. This is one of the reasons why I bought some traxxas models, their after sales service is excellent, and their cars are as good as some arrma I had for example. I don't know where you live but you are really lucky to be able to find Rlaarlo parts so quickly.
Omni yes… Rog1 no.
There is a slipper and a center diff option for when you go for the vxl upgrade. Part number 10760 , 10760r and 10758.
The mini revo had similar issues on 3S. If run at 2s it was perfect.
Is this better then the Slash?
Worst thing is that some people in the Traxxas fb groups defends Traxxas, its mind blowing how blind they are.
So adding a 3s system Dosent work on that truck
8:38 KT had some snow in his videos too, kinda shocked that you got it in the UK and we don't in Canuckistan (yet).
Yeah, we had an early blast... all gone now
It's a level one skill toy. It works pretty damn good out of the box on 2s. If you want to overpower it you need to upgrade the drivetrain, simple as that. Unfortunately they didn't write it on the box but even I heard multiple times before it was released that it will require drivetrain upgrades to go 3s. I think people to need to take it down a notch.
That's too bad. I know I have heard that you have to be careful about doing a lot of self righting. But, the diff should hold up a lot better. I think if you contact Traxxas or the seller you can get a replacement. I am sure you're not the only one with that experience. It's good you did your test. It may save some people trouble. You have tested some great small bashers. From what I've seen one of the best, which came out recently, is the Rlaarlo Omni Terminator, It's on sale right now.
What a bag O' balls.!!
£280.!! 🤯 😲 🤯
It's not that the Chinese manufacturers are beating the big names...
It's that the big names are literally just handing Chinese manufacturers the W.!!
Arrma seems to be finally understanding the market... Just.! 😉
You can use the diffs out of a restler four-wheel drive to fix it
What about the Rog1? Size comparison?
Tiny
Don't know if anyone has said this already but I think traxxas did the different compound on the tires to hold the front end down more. If the rear expand more than it should push the front end down more
Great response to viewers comments 👌 and that thing shifts now! 😮😅😅 I would definitely consider a mini max, stock form it performs just as you would hope and expect 👌
Traxxas says you need to run the center diff if you put the vxl3s in it. It will save those diffs
Got a link to where they say that
@TomleyRC ruclips.net/video/hMKHZDliJgs/видео.htmlsi=ld6cOGxKV2WYT85v
Start the video at 5min. even my local Hobby shop told me when I pre-ordered mine if you go vxl3s you need the center diff upgrade to save the diffs. Nothing wrong with the mini maxx, you just need to do your research before saying it has a major weakness. More like operator error to me.
'Recommended'.... they should say 'essential'. And not having anything written anywhere to say that is on them not me. You think every owner will watch that video and listen to that one very small segment...? you're crazy dude....
@TomleyRC common sense would tell you should probably listen to them, obviously they know what they are talking about. Sorry your just another traxxas hater. I guess recommended means. Naw I'm good ill let it break amd then say it has a major flaw for youtube views.
@@popcorn8199 The thing with Common sense is that it’s not very common. If you think about 10 seconds in a video explaining it is good enough… then that’s cool, but common sense would say they should put it in the manual right? 😘
can you give me the exact dimensions of the wheel base, width, clearance height, pinch the tires harder for me and oh yeah, tell me the in price in CAD$ AND Rupees. kthxby
I’ll draft an email later with detailed measurements. Along with my credit card details and inside leg measurements (all the way up)
@TomleyRC I expect nothing less from a AAA RUclips celeb....I'll be waiting
Isn’t there upgraded diffs on the accessories list? Just unavailable like all the other parts so far? Or are those just stock replacement diffs
No option for upgraded diffs at the moment
@ oh ok. Hopefully soon. What paddle tires did you use? I want to get a set for the winter here in Canada. I get my mini next week
Notice he didnt say Footage ! 😏Kevy would av him YOUR GETTIN IT NOW ! 😏
This is the same problem that plagued my 1/16 Traxxas Revo Vxl. On 1 pack nimh or 2s it was fine, throw in 2 nimh packs or a 3s and I cannot tell you how many diffs I destroyed. There was finally a solution which was the center diff plus making sure the front and rear diffs were shimmed perfectly. It fixed my merv but at the cost of time and money and speed, it may be doing 37-40 now not 50 on 3s and 2 nimh packs. It was a solution to a problem that should not have existed and it seems the trend continues with the new mini line the mini maxx which is super disappointing as I have my 4s Maxx and love it and had high expectations of this mini.
Well this issue sure seems like a throw back to the 1/16 Erevo VXL days.. diff after diff.. while the box advertises 3S brushless is okay.
They should have put in a center diff..
or a slipper at least, very dumb transmission design
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@@TomleyRC You make good vids.
Ace video is the diff the same as the 1/16 summit?
Don’t think they are the same
@TomleyRC I'm trying some ripp off H.R racing diffs from ebay. Saying that they use the stock internals. I have used supper thick diff fluid tho I'm sure that will help with the shock.
But I've have my summit for 5 years now and the diffs have always let me down .
But I've have 5 good runns with the new diff and it's the best it's ever been also running buggy indoor racing weels and tyers on it now to keep the wheels light. It's alot of fun now.
Cheers dude ✌️
My first brushless set up was in a 2wd stampede. I made it virtually indestructible except the diff gears! By far weakest link! Went to the proline pro 32 gearbox and I’m still on original gears lol
Traxxas did say that the original diff will need to be upgraded if we put in the VXL system.
Pin this please
I’ve yet to see where they say this? Certainly not on the upgrades bit of the website. And there are no upgraded diffs available
@TomleyRC "The cats out of the bag! The new traxxas Mini Maxx!"
I saw it in a few announcement videos, but the one from Mark Santa Maria's video with this title is the only one I could find for you. Sorry, man
Anyway, it's around 05:20 when the announcer says it.
That's not good enough from them. If they know that.... why not put a few words in the manual, or on the website. And they say 'recommended' which means it's not essential
@@TomleyRC Fair enough.
Size comparison to Rlaarlo ROG1?
11:00 treeee🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
The Rlaarlo Omni Carbon must be built different in the UK. I’ve had three in the US and each one was built terribly and had lots of issues. Electronics failing, diff issues, broken steering components, missing parts, etc CS is in China. Takes about a month to get any replacement parts. Their aluminum upgrades,ie diff cover were burred up bad and sharp af
This is the same problem I had with my E-Revo brushless first gen. It didn't had a center diff, the thing was made of glass every single time I played with it the diffs would break.
It needs to center death. So you stop blowing out the rear diff. The frontiers are built-in, so it'll keep power to the rear. The validity of 3 means to centerday.I need a lou vuitton center drive
The harder front tires are because they have far less weight on them when running full throttle thus balloon faster. I'm guessing they were shooting for an even ballooning effect at full throttle.
and it makes it less problematic with traction roll.
Hi, what paddle tires did you use? It looked fun.
Already heavy snow in Lincoln shire in November?
My sweet spot so far is a VXL-3s kit on the 2s battery. Got 43 out of it and hasn't broken. Yet. Plus lose that crappy servo for an Amazon 40kg, $27 servo.