Another Shop Could not Fix This Honda Pilot & I Can't Figure it out - P2638 Torque Management
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024
- in this video I'm gonna share with you how to diagnose and Fix DTC P2638 Torque management Feedback Signal ''A'' Range/Performance On Honda Pilot, Enjoy!! #hondapilot #transmission #checkenginelight
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This is my vehicles thank you all for the great suggestions. The lights came back on after a week. As I was getting ready to take it back to Kit’s the lights went back off again. The car still drives fine. The only issue is the dash lights coming on intermittently.
@user-qd6ni7iw2w Thanks for being here Edward, Hopefully that issue becomes permanent soon so I can figure it out!!
Check the trans fluid. Is it brown, and smells awful?
My guess is you towed something heavy with it, and likely loaded up the vehicle as well on a long drive, and burnt up your trans fluid. It should have a purple hue to it. Dark purple even. If it is brown at all it is bad. Honda fluid oil. Only exception would be Valvoline Maxlife ATF. No others at all. Do not under any circumstance put any other type of trans fluid in.
I am having the same issues on my 2017 EX-L. It was just check engine P0420 for the last year and half intermittently, and just today all the other “Power Steering Problem”, etc popped up. If you have found a solution to all this, could you please let me know?
Thanks!
@@zechsperos1410 P0420 = bad PCV system. Is your valve covers leaking?
Change your fluids every 3 years. It's likely you have never changed your power steering fluid, or your transmission fluid. How are you doing on your engine oil intervals? Every 6 months or 5k whichever comes first. That will keep your PCV valve from getting clogged.
Change over to Valvoline Restore and Protect. Change the fluid every 3 months or 3k whichever comes first for the first year or two. As it cleans it will dislodge any sludge. Frequent oil changes will help keep the fluid clean. After that, just 5k or 6 months. I chose Every September and March.
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@lesliwells5433 Thank you!
Good job my friend!
You can only go by what the data is telling you.
Like you said needs to be more permanent.
At least your not shotgunning parts at the car, the customer should be happy about that.
@ysitrim88 Yes! Thank you!
I had a misfire on my X5M and did all the coil changes, spark plug changes, #2 was the worst, cleaned it and it ran better until it fouled up again. Did lots of testing and finally decided to put a camera in #2 cylinder. Lo and behold it showed me I need another engine. The cylinder wall was scoured. Too much oil coming up and fouling the plug.
@alwaysinmotion1 Oh really that's too bad
The only to thing there is to allow the owner drive the car till tge problem show is tself as expected ❤❤❤ much love boss
@GabrielEbenezer-ko2hp Thanks, same to you!
Greetings friend from Venezuela... I always watch your videos to learn a little more... I like the way you explain each diagnostic step
@tallerdechepe5303 Thank you my Friend from Venezuela, I'm glad to hear that the videos have been helpful!
Somebody desconet the battery a happens to me with my son 2019 Honda Civic. I was cleaning the battery terminal. We drove the car until the computer set her self.
Good job.
@luisriverasr2487 Thank you!
Check the bulk connector on the left side of your left foot. Water usually sep through the corner of the windshield, causing corrosion in the connectors behind that panel
@nash69ish Oh ok! Good to know! I will check it out if the vehicle comes back! Thanks
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@raymondrodriguez1766 My Pleasure, Thanks
Someone in the comments said to try an idle re-learn. Good advice. I would add some sticking valves (maybe adjust the them - check the valve clearance). Good luck!
@alexdragomirescu5084 Good to know, Thank you!
I appreciate your sincerity about this case. My opinion you have a problem in CAN communication because i've seen an bus off code on your diagnostic tool in the beginning of the diagnostic test . If you have a intermittent communication the will takes time to trigger "bus off" beacause the error count has to make 287 errors so after that the lights com on in dashboard. I believe that in time the lights will come more often until they will stay continuously and then will be more easy to pursue or put in evidence the problem.
@florinstan3745 Thank you! Yes I agree with you! we might have a communication issue but when I scoped it the waveform looked good and of course it was not acting up so the customer is gonna keep driving it until it becomes a hard fault then I'll figure it out!
Sir you solved the problem when you reset the ECM it just needed that
thanks
@albazelt2872 oh really!
****DIY guy here: I would verify that parts like MAF, Coils and Spark plugs are OEM from dealership, not cheap Chinese units. Dissappearance of code by just swapping a coil says a lot about the coils.
@HoodsGlobal Great suggestion my friend!
Maybe an in cylinder pressure transducer test,because the pcm Is still noticing a miss every so often but not enough to trip a code ,or maybe that's just what we would like to see lol.Great job tho!love the channel.
@vincentmeadows1905 Lol!! Thank you and Great suggestion!
Check and smell the transmission fluid. Replace if brown. 3 times drain/fill is the recommended fluid change on good trans. When the fluid goes brown and burnt it needs at least 6 times drain/fill with driving between. The issue is when the fluid gets hot again. It will be fine as long as the trans fluid doesn't heat up again. The fluid is the culprit.
@kayjay4060 Good to know, Thanks for sharing
I think the car is haunted.great video.Thank you.
@user-ni9sl5dv1q Lol! Thanks
My scantool Launch creader elite shows the idle relearn progress. It starts after you have the engine up to operating temp, and the fan cycles twice. RPM 3k until fan comes on. Let idle for at least 15 minutes. It takes 10 minutes, but if you don't have the ability to see when it finishes, just let it idle for 15 minutes, and you should be good. I see it says 5 minutes, and my experience has shown 10 minutes at least. It takes a few minutes to start the idle process.
@kayjay4060 Oh cool, Good to know
A transmission fluid change (actually followed by a second change after 500 miles) and change any transmission filters should be done. I would also use electrical contact cleaner on the TCM and at the transmission sensor plugs
@chicoblaylock Oh really! Good to know
You had a PILOT before in your videos, I took notes and you had this same code but it was not a concern in that video so no help from your older video?? Love all your stuff Bro. Cheers
@DuaneDonaldson Thank you my Friend!
Do a crank relearn. Sometimes Hondas go nuts and doing so fixes all misifres. God bless Deo.
@neverstoplearning382 Good Suggestion my Friend! Thanks
Deo...sound like you have a wiring harness issue. Pull out a breakout box and scan for CAN resistance. If the resistance is out of spec (other than around 60 ohms) you may have an intermittent open in the wiring to a module connection.
@ekimbrough1413 Great idea! But I scoped the network and the waveform looked great, I should have filmed that part, I will make sure I film every step of the process if the car comes back!
Deo after the valve adjustments i would do a diesel transmission fluid flush on it 👍
@svhebert Good suggestion my Friend! Thanks
Wow...I should bring my car to your shop if I have a problem. Where are you located at?
@orlandodizo5097 we are located in Frederick MD, you can email us at kitsautoandtruckrepair@gmail.com to schedule an appointment
Sometimes after 2 or 3 drive cycles. If the codes return. Disconnect negative battery cable. Disconnect Ecm & Tcm wire connectors. Spray both connectors with only electrical cleaner. Reconnect them.
@quentintaylor3264 Thank you for your suggestion!
What year is the Pilot? A 2016 does have an update for the torque management feedback signal. HONDA BULLETIN 16-008. Hopefully that helps.
@superieure1489 This is a 2016 Pilot!!
I would look at the battery. If the battery is going bad it will cause the system to give you false codes.
@ericscott8695 Oh good to know, Thanks for sharing!
yes, the battery voltage according to the scan tool is 11.5 V
The latest software is certainly required. These repairs will definitely be better with less repetition.
@chrismoodley9618 Thank you
For some car like mitsubishi, you have to do a computer hard reset unplug the battery, and touch both terminal for a few minutes.
@rubengonzalez583 oh really! That's good tto know
Chase the misfire to begin with, i see an aftermarket coil pack...clear all the codes, remove the battery terminals and short out any remaining power in the modules....leave it for about 10-15 mins and return everything back to normal.
Check the battery voltage just incase.
@professionalics Oh Ok! Good suggestion my Friend! Thanks
Common hear at honda usually fuel injections needs replacing and hard reset and idle learn check fluid of transmission and level
Also the transmission takes special fluid that’s expensive most people don’t like to perform fluid service low fluid can cause range codes
@will2u22 I heard that too thanks for sharing!
@will2u22 Yeah!
It's hard to diagnosis the problem if it not permanent because everything will be fine when diagnosis.. but I think the problem could be ground wire issue or some plugs lose
@Look4u_carfixing Good suggestion but the ground wires were fine!
I like not to cause a customer to suffer a lot replscing a expensive parts when there in no enough proof of defective parts. I would love to know after sending beck thevehicle to a customer what happened after ? From South Africa
@wsnxumalo6707 The customer didn't come back!
Can you do abs project please
@hashmatrasool85 ABS issue on this car?
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@user-dw7jv9zi1d Thanks! Keep working and studying my friend you'll get there!
The TCM is communicating with the ECM through CAN about torque info.
If there is a misfire present - or has been in the past then the torque signal wasn't / isn't what the TCM expects because the misfire messes it up and makes it irregular.
Solve the misfire and the TCM torque signal won't have any misfires ruining it and the TCM will be happy.
Don't for the love of god replace TCM or PCM for this fault please. Solve the misfire by proper diagnostics - not guessing and not hoping and replacing random parts. Don't fire the parts cannon, that is not proper diagnostics and repair etiquette.
I have the Ridgeline 2018. diagnosed by Honda with code P304. my vehicle is part of a campaign for faulty injectors. I believe this Pilot 2016 is part of the same campaign. About the VSA and Lane Assist …. check the battery voltage. Numerous Ridgeline 2nd gen owners report how an older battery gets weaker voltaje and some of the car modules starts to freak out. battery voltage lower than 12.4V may confuse the computer modules. replaced mine after 5yr and it looked its walls were a bit bulged out.
@nesmio7378 That's not what we do in our shop here we don't fire the parts cannon! we Test not Guess! so we are gonna observe it and see if this fault comes back, Thanks for the suggestion!!
@cdbuiles Good to know, Thank you!
I think “cdbuiles“. Is new to your channel, that made him think you fire part canon. He should take time to go through your records before making these comment
I agreed with this comment, I have had tcm error code with this same dtc on Volvo cars, when the ecm has dtc, I will get that p2653 error codes but as soon as the errors are solve on the ecm side, they tcm torque message do not come back
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@endaleberta3156 Keep watching my videos and read some books on scan tool usage! you can email me at kitsautoandtruckrepair@gmail.com and I will recommend some books for you to get!
Hello well done 👏
@alfredofajardo8625 Thank you!
This is the common problem with this year of the Pilot, there is an extended warranty for this. Most Likely you need to replace the injector and reprogram ECM.
@dehualiang2525 Oh really! Good to know!
So this is not fixable?
@jimmyj5557 it is fixable! I will figure it out when the issue becomes permanent!
The Autel maxisys ultra can do a software update on that car
@crownafro-euro524 Oh really? I didn't know that the Autel Ultra can update the software on this!
Find the common denominator in the wiring diagram!
@edwinvargas7994 Good suggestion!
good video
@humbertoarellano8887 Thank you!
Hi I ask you that where are located in Virginia
@sahraciise7059 I'm located in Dickerson MD, you can email me at kitsautoandtruckrepair@gmail.com for shop info and to set up an appointment!
Is that an engine that requires valve clearances to be manually set
@seanveitch8444 I Believe So!
Probably time for trans fluid change & setting the valves lash at 100k…
I have resolved intermittent misfires in several Honda 3.5s w/ over 100k miles by performing a valve adjustment. Seems to be a fairly common issue.
@rcf8367 Good suggestion my friend, Thanks
@johnmac9055 Oh ok! Good to know, Thank you!
Grasias
@martinarrieta248 My Pleasure my Friend!
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@endaleberta3156 Sorry! I didn't understand your question what do you want to do with your brakes?
For my knowledge this car has some electric issues and also the other mechanic the change aftermarket parts.
@hashmatrasool85 Yes!
Looks like a ground problem 😊
@edwinvargas7994 Good suggestion! I checked Grounds and Powers they are good!
Could be a bad alternator i have seen this on my 06 Honda Odyssey.
@ganeshnarayan5505 Good suggestion! I appreciate it
The vehicle is fixed you did an ECU reset and it automatically restored itself to the factory setup
@crownafro-euro524 Really? I not really sure if it's fixed! we will see if it comes back!!
The shop before you was parts canon.
@ivanpeterzell695 Yes I agree, Good to have you here in the comment section Brother!
If it is me I will give the car back to the customer to test drive and see
@user-dz4jb5rg6k Good suggestion that's what I did, when the issue becomes permanent, the customer will bring it back!
You can never trust what a person at honda tells you if it doesnt match with other info. You clearly showed others have fixed problem with update. I think honda are talking nonsense to get rid of you.
@Swenser yeah! you never know
DTC p0304 misfire cause DTC p2638 store in TCM replace injector set relearn idle system should take care of this problem injector still warranty by HONDA.
@wzthonda8013 Good suggestion but wouldn't a defective injector cause a constant misfire? that cylinder barely misfired, The customer will bring the car back when it gets bad and I will make sure I check the injector!
@@KITS_Auto_and_Truck_Repair depend how severe clog fuel injector. Honda Warranty Extension: 10 years or 150000 miles for 17-19 pilot due to defective parts also include update PCM update 9 speed transmission TCM. you can perform air fuel ratio test see injector pass or fail{rich} test . Fuel Injector Kit part# 06160-RLV-305
I think something to do with bad electric connections especially the ECM, TCM side. The car has done 100K miles, and gone through several seasons, so thats an area to look into.🐞
@mohabatkhanmalak1161 Good suggestion but I checked Powers and grounds off camera for the TCM & ECM and they were fine, I believe tthe ECM is failing so we will see if it comes back!!
Its looks like electric faults. Honda very bad on electric fault. My sister 's hoda got all kinds off different different issues and most places she went they couldn't figured it out because they don't have honda diagram even dealership charged her 6000 to rebuild her engine and it still full of issues, i highly doubt dealership ever rebuild or change the engine but they definitely changed her $6000 and couldn't fix issues and a day later she was getting misfire. Her ac compressor had been changed 4 times and alternator had been changed 3 times but no one fixed the real issues but told it got electric fault somewhere. I think this vehicle has electric faults and yes ecu could be causing all those things
@mdashiqurrahman39 Yes! the ECU could be failing on this car but I'll see if it comes back
This vehicle have over 100k,try trans service.