I think we have to just hope they bring your RPG elements back into the game. I think the fans would appreciate it and could handle it. I don’t think them taking them out makes the Game better or more well received. I think they can please both sets of fans and still put RPG elements in. Not sure why they took them out.
@@AVVGaming1yeah that's honestly my belief for it imagine a fallout with the gameplay of fallout 4 the exploration of fallout 3 and the story quality of fallout New Vegas That is the perfect fallout game Fallout 3 had the most interesting things tucked away in the world and so many random encounters I still haven't seen them all despite the fact I've played the game since it came out Fallout New Vegas has to be my favorite story in a video game And fallout 4 improves on every bit of the looting the gameplay and the quality of life even it's vats system is the best in the series requiring more thought in planning than any of the previous
@@themanicman8458 I just booted up NV again this morning. Left it at level 38 and now just exploring the map. Unreal game. Gonna have to do a video on it lol I can’t resist!
@@AVVGaming1 that's new vegas' quality. Even talking about it now gives me an immediate itch to play it again after so many years because it's addictive in the fun way and not anti-fun like fallout 4 where you feel cheated when u play it
@@AVVGaming1 after the amazon show i wanted to revisit the games, booted up FO4 for about 20 minutes and got bored. Booted up NV, 43 lvl right now, nearly 140hours and im just discovering the someguy2000 series of questmods - INSANE
Fallout 3 has the best adventure, Fallout 4 has the best gameplay, Fallout 76 has the best community, but Fallout New Vegas has the best depth. That's just my opinion though
I never liked New Vegas. I really really tried, too. The only part I really enjoyed was Old World Blues. The rest is long, drawn out, and generally boring.
I love how F4 power armor feels like POWER ARMOR and not a metal spandex suit with exposed pipboy wrist😂 The Fusion Core part needs some fine tuning in next games but keep in mind. A supposed 200+ year lasting FC would get its lifetime shortened by not only time but conditions aswell by F4 time. Spiters ignore that part. Hope for more immersion like option to opaque, even remove the p.a HUD, also have different helmet HUD frames depending on what p.a helmet and visor you use too, in future games. Also HUD color wheel option
@@hermos3602I agree and disagree, the mechanics of playing 76 are a straight upgrade in my opinion in almost all aspects BUT it's just not nearly as fluid as 4 due to the online play and that kills the gunplay but the systems are still engaging enough but the action is not as fluid so I prefer 4's responsiveness and 76's legendaries and character building
4 is wide but shallow. The dialogue system and voiced protag limited the story and removed the ability get good conversations with NPCs about factions, life, and story details. While the gameplay is 'better' than 3, it really isn't on par with shooters of 2005... then you have the reduction in towns in favor of settlements. A neat feature for sure, but not good enough to sacrifice the entire point of fallout.
My friend who isnt a fallout fan started playing it and enjoyed it but he came to me and said "whats up with the dialogue system, its so bad they might aswell just have removed it altogether". Pretty sad.
I think they were trying to advance their game quality by adding the voiced dialogue almost thinking of it as an improvement but it just didn't work. At least we should know exactly what we're about to say lol. Some people will love the settlements instead of the towns, but unfortunately I myself prefer the towns. I think there was too much of the settlement building and it just seemed out of place.
@@Concerned_Citizen I love fallout 4 NV is my favorite but i love them all and the voiced dialogue and such shallow limited options in how to handle the conversation you have in game is the worst part of fo4 and almost ruins it as a RPG
@@GalileoGuy175 the lack of creativity in the writing or world building is ridiculous. It’s literally a universe you can write anything. Mass effect a great example.
It's kind of funny to me, there is more shown progress in the ten years between Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 than in the 173 years between Fallout 76 and Fallout 3. That is the biggest issue I have with how Bethesda designs their version of the Fallout world. So much time has passed, and humanity just can't seem to drag itself out of the detritus of the old war.
I have always wondered that as well, at what point does humanity start to rebuild things normally instead of that mad max style. Maybe it's just for aesthetics? If they were to rebuild maybe it wouldn't have that post-apocalyptic vibe?
The whole Fallout story doesn't make sense. 200 years after the bombs drop but everyone and everything looks and act as if it's only a few days after. For comparison the whole U.S.A was only founded like 2 centuries ago and it's a complete world now from back then.
@@xsizzlexster6495the west coast actually was developing and advancing......until the TV show. It feels like Bethesda is using the show to bring civilization back to their standard living in tin shacks post apocalypse.
Agreed. If fallout 3 was set around the same time as fallout 1, it would make total sense, and fallout 4 could be set later. It'd be cool to get two parallel societies on the opposite coasts and see how they interact with each other, but that's too much creative world building for Bethesda to handle
The west coast had a fairly developed civilization until the TV show. I think Bethesda used the show to bring the level of civilization close to that on the east coast.
In beyond the beef you missed another outcome. You can even put fake blood on a bed and say that the dad was the one who murdered his own son and the dad gets gunned down by a securitron. This shows that the writing is so phenomenal in new Vegas.
It's a shame that Beyond the Beef is so complex it tends to bug a lot on an unmodded copy of the game. It's truly a fantastic quest with the amount of options you have.
This is my I love Fallout New Vegas! It just keeps delivering surprises and secrets! How the heck did they make that game in the last 1.5 years! I am gonna have to do a video just for that game soon!
@@AVVGaming1 it is, but obsidian’s best work has always comes off the backs of other’s hard work. new Vegas wouldn’t have been nearly what it was without Bethesda’s gameplay systems. We saw what they did with their own IP (Spacer’s choice or whatever it’s called) and it was pretty forgettable. I just know lots of fans of new Vegas talk about how shitty Bethesda is when they talk about new Vegas, and I just want to reiterate that New Vegas is also good because of Bethesda’s hard work in making the engine, tools, assets, animations, gameplay systems, etc.
My wife has just gotten into the series. I started her on 4 specifically for the simplistic story. Great way to dip your toes without too much stress. After playing all of them, her favorites are 2 and 3, but she admits that she never would have touched them if they were her firsts. Especially NV; it's a Mastercraft for gamers/genre fans, but way too heavy for newcomers.
Yes 100% and you know what’s crazy? My wife just got into the series and fallout 4 was her first too. I feel like its enough to show the potential of the series which gives them the encouragement to push through the older graphics and gameplay of the previous entries and appreciate them. If you ask someone who is used to modern graphics to jump into an older version they may give up altogether and that would be a shame.
@@tweeshrew that’s awesome! I’ve just done a new vegas video if you want to check that out. New vegas is my favourite but all of them are great in my opinion it’s one of the only series that has so many top games
I feel like there's a lot of hate towards FO3, but that game did a lot right. Those sidequests, though a lot of them were still go here and kill this, were some of the best Bethesda's ever done (The Superhuman Gambit, Reilly's Rangers, Stealing Independence, You Gotta Shoot 'Em in the Head), the best sound design and DJ, and it got 5 story DLCs most of which were awesome (-Anchorage...). To me it feels like Bethesda was at least TRYING with Fallout 3, whereas I don't feel that at all with Fallout 4 and later.
I think it’s the case in writing. They put a lot of effort in whilst writing fallout 3 and then in 4 they simplified it a lot. They mainly focused on quantity instead of quality which more present in 3. I don’t hate fallout 4 but 3 definitely did a lot right and deserves praise for sure!
Voiced protag works fine in a non-rpg. If you are on train tracks, and the writer has a great story and you are there to shoot stuff in between scenes, it's fine. But when they moved to voice, they just collapsed the rpg elements. You are given one character to play, the soldier, and the female lawyer one is technically there, but only cosmetically. The character has soldier skills and no lawyer skills. They never set up a provisional government, for example, because they do not know anything about laws and never went to law school. If anything, they could have committed to the bit and only given you nate, or gone for dual protagonists who might even end up fighting, or who might work together to build a new government. Nate could do combat, Nora could do diplomacy/settlement management. Or they could have scrapped both and gone back to the ttrpg roots, and let the player make up their own story.
Great post. I would side with the going back to the basics and just leave the slate clean. I think letting a player make up their own stories is the best way and when I think of Betehsda open world games, that's what I think of, roleplaying. Like you said, in Uncharted games they have voiced characters with set stories. But they are really good stories and voice actors and linear. Bethesda are building open worlds to explore and it doesn't need to be done there. Also, the story in Fallout 4 is just not good enough as a trade off for a lack of freedom in Roleplaying. At least in my personal opinion. You summarized that element perfectly.
@@AVVGaming1 I'm not against the voiced Protagonist if they went the Mass Effect route. I do like BrettCaton's idea of dual protag's but dunno how'd it work.
They only had Nora so you could switch to playing A girl instead of A guy. The whole point of Bethesda games these days is how much of A broader audience they can reach... Sellouts, if you ask me.
@@duncanharrell5009The comparison to Mass Effect is insightful. Because Mass Effect let you choose Shepherd’s background and changed the voiced dialogue accordingly, and even had quests only available to specific backgrounds. The only reason Fallout 4 doesn’t have that is Bethesda being lazy. Well, that and wanting everyone to be able to do everything in a single play through, something that started in Oblivion and has become the standard.
I don't mean to be that edge lord, but the thing that gets to me the most about Fallout 4 is the tone. It's just not dark enough, often enough. Compared to Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Fallout 4 feels "Pg-13" Compared to Fallout 1 & 2, Fallout 4 feels PG. Edit, I clearly like to comment right away. Well said AVV
Yeah it was the first thing that came to mind. When I replayed 3 I was so surprised by how much more dark it was, not just in the visual but in dialogue. I much prefer writing like this is any game, I don't like the other writing which is almost silly. Like in Starfield, they had like country farmers working on the moon saying things like "we are just country moon folk, we don't know nothing about no fancy spaceship" and it's like who writes this stuff? Lol
true, fallout 4 felt like a shallow kids game at times where nothing mattered and every option you chose would never matter anyhow you will always be the hero and never like a survivor in a blown up world
@@SimonRobeyns Agreed. I hate to boil it down as childish, but it really was just a bit too whimsical for me. The older fallouts have whimsical moments too, but the juxtaposition works better because the older games also take the darker parts far more seriously and you feel the threat of living in the wasteland. That's what makes the absurdist humor of Fallout work so well. Or I'm high, I dunno
One thing you have missed is that the only faction you cannot violently remove in Fallout 4 is the Minutemen. Everyone else are at your mercy, meaning if you choose to you can absolutely make yourself their enemy the moment you encounter them, including killing otherwise essential characters you'd need to interact with to do that faction's storyline. I still remember that the moment I encountered Father in my very first playthrough I immediately started shooting. I encountered a new faction and through my actions and choices locked my access to them and any friendship away. So if you consider having the option to blow up Megaton or murking Bruke as part of roleplaying and character customization, then you need to also see the option to become an enemy of the big factions via immediate hostility as a similar expression of the same approach.
That's awesome! I actually never considered shooting Father immediately and it's really cool that you can. Now on my most recent playthrough of Fallout 4 I am going to have to test all of these things you have suggested. Very fair points! I still think Fallout 4 is an incredible game, and you learn something new about it every day! Thanks for the information!
yeah but that's something you could do in every game (except fallout 3). Aside from becoming enemies with a faction and choosing different ways to resolve a conflict in 8 (?) sidequests there's no way to impact the world.
@@maestrofeli4259 You're both correct there but also maybe missing the point a little. The fact that you can have a relatively broad stroke across all factions before ultimately siding with one (including just focusing on a single one barring the Institute) makes the general faction design quite similar to New Vegas. Both games have a single faction (Yes Man/Minutemen) that will always be there to enable you to finish the game while allowing you to treat the other factions in any way you want, may it be cooperation, tolerating them, or making them your enemy. While New Vegas has the reputation system which puts more limits on your interaction with each faction before things go down south, two of the three big factions (NCR and Legion) offer you a full pardon if you have wronged them this entire time but may want to side with them after all. So to some extend you also can dip into every faction just like you can in F4. And in both games you reach a point where you ultimately have to choose one. But also in both you have the power to outright reject options. Ultimately it's easy to say that New Vegas designed their factions and your interactions with them more elegantly, but at the same time F4 does offer you a quite similar option of experiences.
I watched a video on why they did change it. They tried to copy mass effect but primarily the walking dead by tell tale games. It really wasn’t broken and was the best in FNV. The Starfield one is just too many questions that no one is really bothered about
It was changed for consoles. F4 was the first Fallout title made with consoles in mind. They had to keep the game size down due to console limitations, etc. The choice to voice the protag made this even worse as it meant for voice files and thus a bigger game. Consoles destroy PC titles.
One thing I think 3 and NV both got wrong is the lack of plant life, you can look at Bikini Atoll or Chernobyl and see that 40 to 70 years after a bomb or major radiation release they are green so why would the world 200 years after the war be so barren. I'm sure this was due to engine limitations but I don't consider it amazing world building.
I understand your point. It may actually be down to engine limitations though as you said. Thank you for the examples, I have just been looking at them online now!
I think FO3's lack of flora was a conscious decision to make it closer to 1 and 2. But the classics take place in the desert of California, while 3 takes place in the green region around DC. It would make sense if the game took place close to the war since nuclear bombs are mini stars that incinerate everything, but after 200 years the plant life would be as it was before human settlement, a wild forest. New Vegas had the engine limitation of 3, but also it makes sense that the Mojave Desert would have sparse vegetation. There is plenty of vegetation around Jacobstown in mount Charleston tho.
Nate/Nora is a weird halfway house between a blank slate and being their own character. They have too much predetermined background for you to truly make them your own, but at the same time their predetermined character traits are used so little that they don't actually serve as truly independent characters with their own stories. It's the worst of both worlds.
They should had really leaned into the Soldier/Lawyer thing with the route they choose. They needed to pick a lane and go full bore, but they rode the line between predetermined and blank slate and it just made things a homogenized mess where there was zero different between Nate and Nora beyond their sex.
One of the things I hated in fallout 3 is the necessity to use metro tunnels to move around the wasteland. If I'm gonna spend a good portion of a game in a dark train tunnel filled with creatures and people who want to kill me, I'd play metro instead. And that was the first reason I fell in love with new vegas, it's a real open-world experience. Of course, I love NV for other reasons too mainly how interactive the world is and how interconnected everything in the game are, even the DLC's have arcs. Moving to the topic of Fallout 4, I hate the skyrim style questlines. I literally did so many radiant quests for the brotherhood in my first playthrough just to feel like I actually am a part of the brotherhood not just a mere messenger. Ironic isn't it? My impact to the world is better explained, and made more sense as a literal Courier than as a brotherhood "knight" where I felt like a glorified mailman.
Yes fallout 3 used a lot of metro tunnels and new vegas really was a brilliant game. I personally don’t like radiant quests but I understand they can be there if wanted. In Skyrim they’re in there but subtle. In Fallout 4 they became a bigger portion, then starfield they pretty much became the game. The pattern isn’t great but I just feel like hand crafted content is so much better!
I think the writing in Bethesda games recently has been far too "safe". Like almost so obvious and no risks taken, that it kind of insults the intelligence a little bit. I saw a video on their writing and how they aim to keep it simple, but it's too simple now I think.
I feel you somewhat glossed over it because FO4's engine has notably less stutter in combat, but FO4's gunplay was abysmal. An incredibly small pool of weapons artificially inflated with weapon mods mostly tweaked small stat changes. They lumped energy and ballistic weapons into the same perk categories and took away derived SPECIAL stats (reload speed, accuracy, strength requirements, crit chance). They ditched NV's damage threshold system and different ammo types (pulse, fletchette, hollowpoints, etc.) and got rid of unique weapon variants for their stupid 'legendary' weapon system that makes zero sense lore-wise (and have sadly continued into FO76 and Starfield).
Seems to be this guy really loves to gloss over details, he also didn’t articulate properly that Fallout 3’s worldbuilding doesn’t make any sense and that Tenpenny tower quest outcome where u get the ghouls in peacefully has zero impact on the story
Yes I agree with all your points. I definitely personally preferred Fallout NV as its my favourite. Sorry I wasn't able to cover all this in the video but I agree with everything you said. Thanks for your feedback.
@@AVVGaming1 No worries I think you did a great job overall with this video especially explaining the differences in ambiance and quests. It's just... FO4 irritates me in a lot of so many little ways. Like, that first suit of T-45A power armor you get for free in Concord? It has higher damage protection values than any other base game non-power armor. Even if you broke EVERY PIECE except one, you'd still be getting better protection than a FULL SUIT of Combat Armor. Who thought this was a good idea?
@@MichaelJennings-ro9zq As someone who likes replaying Fallout 4 more than any other Fallout game (I love the survival mode), I do agree on the early power armor being stupid. I just ignore it completely for this reason. But I actually prefer the way armor reduces damage in Fallout 4 to the DT system in New Vegas. Also, the weapon mods do not give 'small stat changes'. In many cases, a weapon's damage will nearly double when comparing the weakest mod to the strongest mod. Then you have mods that change the gameplay in other ways; ie, adding a scope vs reflex sight, or a mod that changes a projectile weapon into more of a flamethrower. How are these 'small stat changes'? I agree on some of the derived special stats; but accuracy IS derived from perception in VATS. And Luck does affect criticals by affecting how fast your critical meter builds up. Also, the Luck perks are often crit focused. 'stupid' legendary system... man, the legendary system is one of my favorite aspects of Fallout 4; especially in survival mode. If I haven't slept in a bed for more than an hour, yet see a legendary raider or gunner... I suddenly get torn as to whether I should chance it and potentially lose a lot of progress on my game. It's a great tension I can't get in any other Fallout game, or in a lot of other videogames in general. And sure, many of the legendary items aren't very good.. but maybe, just maybe, I find that Instigating Gauss or Twin Shot Combat Rifle. (I ignore all legendaries that can be bought from vendors because I enjoy the loot hunt). Anyway, sorry if this came off as argumentative. I just think there is a good reason why people mostly say the writing in Fallout 4 sucks (it does) but the gameplay is the best.
Begin again the tale of two wastelands is hands down the best fallout experience anyone can have. Fallout 4 Magnum Opus with a few additional mods comes close.
It is flatly not true that you can experience everything in one playthrough in Fallout 4. You can pretend to be friendly with all factions up to a point, as could any double agent IRL. But there will be a point of no return where you must choose a side. What happens after that completely changes depending on whom you choose to support.
There is really no point in experiencing all factions because they're all the same. Once you've done all their quests up to the point of no return, there's no point in joining them in other playthroughs because their ending is all kinda similar. Just watch their endings on RUclips so you don't have to waste hundreds of hours.
@@One.Zero.One101 yes and this is a little bit disappointed. I’m going to discuss the writing in Bethesdas recent games soon. I feel like the audience would appreciate a bit more challenging content (story wise)
@@One.Zero.One101Yep lmao. The only faction with some kind of rational/ideology is the BoS. Under Maxon it makes some sense that they'd try to eradicate the Institute. The Institute is a nonsensical, impossible, self contradictory faction. The Minutemen are half baked and have absolutely no good reason to seek and destroy any of the other 3 factions (players can attempt to inject their leadership as a reason, but this is hardly reflected in the Minutemen as a faction who are essentially a farmer militia/mutual defense coalition). Why the Minutemen would not want to OCCUPY the airship and/or Institute I have no idea, nor do I have any idea where they got the ordinance to destroy the Institute in the first place. The Railroad has similar issues. All of this talk of espionage but at the end of their story they seek the same annihilationist solution to the Institute as the BoS which makes absolutely no sense. If they are trying to help synths, maybe they should OCCUPY the facility that produced and serviced synths? Bethesda could have written the Railroad differently, specifically making them more philosophically robust regarding the creation of synths and synth personhood, but instead they're a bland, uncomplicated, incoherent mess whose favored outcome is apparently the same as the explicitly colonialist, xenophobic BoS. I would have loved to see factionalism in the Railroad/Minutemen but apparent stability and unity on the part of the Institute and BoS. The Institute, being isolated and insular, is primed for propaganda and group think. Similarly, the BoS is highly ideologically motivated and actively hostile to new ideas and differences in speciation among the mutant life of the wasteland. Players could feel conflicted about choosing the "strong" but morally questionable factions over the "weak", fractured factions with less abhorrent morals/ethics.
@@One.Zero.One101 Waste? I'm absolutely certain hat I won't "waste" hundreds of hours on anything. What's the point? And how much money do you want to bet that I haven't found and beaten unmapped locations in the Commonwealth that aren't on RUclips?
Gotta be honest, i just started fallout new vegas after having it for years in my backlog, and while having playing fallout 3 and then 4 at launch i must say that 4 is the weakest of them all by far, maybe there are some parts of 3 that are done better in 4 but not the ones that matter in my opinion, the settlement building was fine, but not good enough to carry through most of the game, you're probably going to play with it in 3-4 settlements, maybe 5 at most, and then you're going to get tired of it bc of how bad the placement system can be with some items and between foundations, walls, etc. It's even worse when you get a huge space to make your vault but there's no way to make it not look like shit and since then i really think i dont want to touch that mechanic ever again if the settlers are as shallow as they were in there tbh
Is not even good for people who like base building and resource management, it would be more comparable to a more shallow house flipper with worse building mechanics bc the settlers barely do anything to make them unique (besides some key npcs that dont really add that much) and are just kinda there, while the building might be a worse fornite in terms of weirdly hard to make anything that isnt limited to foundations, but maybe with a bit more detail in interiors i must say
Glad to hear you're enjoying New Vegas! Fallout 4 was a very different game in terms of what they were offering. Like you said, it's fine, but it's so overused in Fallout 4 that it gets pretty mundane. We all gave Sanctuary a go, we may have tried to do up 4-5 nice locations but no-one is going to build the whole wasteland. If you love building then Fallout 4 would be the best game, but if you prefer role playing or story, the others will probably be a better fit. Different games for different tastes.
Videos like this make it so obvious that most of the new players weren’t even born when fallout 3 & new Vegas came out. There’s a simple reason it divides the player base, expectations. After all the years of delay and drip fed info, after Bethesda had their golden age, it seemed natural that the next installment would be leagues better than the previous. Well upon release of the very first trailer all of us knew, Bethesda has completely dropped the ball. The new art style works, but the story elements and treatment from 2009 leaks ACTUALLY being the game was such a huge let down. Kids today will literally never know what it’s like to hope and wonder, all the teasing they did about “The Commonwealth” being so dark and scary was DASHED when we played Fallout 4 Bubblegum Sunshine. Really spent time thinking about this, New Vegas/3 are the old gaurd, the OG Bethesda that really cared about meaningful story and player interaction rather than microtransactions and DLC. The new games are HOLLOW shadows of their previous iterations and Todd Howard did it to spite me personally.
Yes I feel like especially when you look at 4, 76 and Starfield, the writing is getting worse drastically. So much more basic and doesn’t leave any emotional memories. Very mundane and safe.
Came in the fallout verse with FO4….according to steam I’ve got close to a thousand hours in it at this point (mostly due to mods). I poked at NV a bit quite some time back and wasn’t impressed, recently gave it another attempt at an honest play thru….and it’s stellar. I’ve also tried 1 and 2 but just can’t get into them, compared to modern games they just feel clunky.
I reckon it's once you get to New Vegas and the town outside Freeside. At that moment you start to see how good it is. But up to that point, you've got to be committed to it. A lot of games are the same, where they start slow and you have to reach a certain moment in order to really see its potential. That moment is pivotal. Some games have lost me in that moment.
@@AVVGaming1 actually on my first play thru got about 75% of the way thru the game using yes man....but blew thru the main quest line and didn't bother exploring or doing any of the side stuff.....just lost interest in it.
With regards to essential NPCs, I heard you can kill the Main Faction leaders in Fallout 4 when you first meet them, with the only exception being Preston and the Minute Men. Is that not true?
I will give it a try tonight and see! You are probably right but I remember I few invincible characters. Of course Preston is invincible lol the one person who would have been killed the most lol
It’s really as simple as roleplay, it’s hard to really make a be a certain character in fallout 4 they all end up feeling them same because they are, no matter who you make it’s always going to be either Nate or Nora, that’s not the case with 3 and NV
Yes I’m going to do a specific video about this and how fallout maybe should give us a different starting point on the maps by choice. As opposed to being locked in to a specific character starting story. I know why they do it but it’d be nice to Roleplay a bit more! Thanks for your comment!
Yes and they tell you his whole back story as well so you can sympathise with him. He wasn’t original evil, he was turned that way through pain. So to end having to kill him and yell at him regardless of your choice is a big let down. What’s the point in knowing the backstory then?
U completely fail to grasp de point. Fallout 4 kills the RPG, 70% of the quests are radiant quests with the quest item on a neatly placed chest on the end of a dungeon with no story and a convenient backdoor for u to leave, it's just a shooter looter no more a rpg, Fallout 4 was no history and its shallow. About the setting u fail to understand it Bethesda like the post apocalyptic ppl living in trash thing that's why Fallout 3 and 4 look like they are frozen in time 200+ years after the bombs dropped. Fallout 2 and NV are post post apocalyptic they are about rebuilding, and the politics and conflicts of the new world, they are rich in lore, world building. In fallout NV every location is well thought out makes sense. In fallout 4 the locations are like they are just frozen waiting for u to pass there a raider camp beside a gohul place and a super mutants camp leaving 5 ft from each other for no reason just there to be shot at, there's no world building, is just randomly placed.
Those are all great points! I think I’m going to have to do another video explaining more on the points you said. There’s a lot to cover but the lack of RPG elements should have been first point I think, on reflection
I’m gonna throw my old man views on this. As somebody who played Fallout 1 back in 2003 on my mum’s crappy old pc when I was like 13 or something, I was immediately drawn into the game and was hooked. I personally think you ALL should go and play it. I then rushed to my mates hose so he could burn me a copy of Fallout 2 yes I just admitted that. And I loved that too. Fallout 3 released and I was very skeptical of how it would play and feel but when i came out that vault I was pleasantly surprised. It was bloody horrible and everything wanted to kill me, good job. I still have nightmares about those metro trains tunnels. I feel that 3 gave the best atmosphere (of the 3d games). Yet it was missing a certain sprinkle of pure Fallout magic. But it’s a very commendable entry by Bethesda. Then Vegas came out…. The magic was back and as all know many of original staff worked on it. Yes it’s brown and quite empty really but it’s the interactions and fine crafted stories and humour that F3 didn’t have. Fallout 4…I hate to love this game. It’s beautiful…too beautiful. The story is pretty shit by Fallout standards but I admire what it does do right. There’s a lot of bloaty “No real consequence” to it. Yes the shooting etc is better but it made me feel like I was the king of the wasteland when that’s not the essence of Fallout. I’m not touching 76 with a stick…sorry. Shame because it’s a beautiful looking game. Conclusion: Play Fallout one followed by F3 and then Vegas. IF those games could somehow be merged THAT would be the best Fallout game. Fact I
Yes I’m replying to my own comment. Hopefully, no matter which one you play I’m happy people are still playing and discovering this horrible brutal franchise masterpiece and that it allows you to perhaps explore the other games you have not played. That’s all children 😊
Hahaha what an awesome comment! Loved reading that! You’re clearly passionate and experienced after playing them all. I’ve just done a video on new vegas and uploaded a few hours ago discussing what you said. All the games are awesome but in completely different ways. I agree with your assessment on every game btw. I have played 76 and it’s probably exactly what you think it is. It’s not really a fallout game in my opinion.
One other issue with the faction system is that the Minutemen are the "Yes Man route" of this game. The faction that will stick to you no matter what. This doesn't make sense. Yes Man works because they are an amoral character that will go with whatever you do. The Minutemen are a faction with their own ideology and objectives, they shouldn't condone when you take actions that hurt the development of the Commonwealth, specially when you hurt innocent people. Also you become their general but have no sort of power at all, Preston makes all the decisions. I think they would work better as a small faction that you can convince to work with any of the other three if you have good karma. They have no real reason to oppose the Railroad or the Brotherhood, and they are too small and weak to pose a believable threat to the Institute. I think the neutral ending should have been with a more neutral faction that answers directly to you, or maybe you just get all the other factions to destroy each other and you become king of the ashes.
I agree 100% with everything you have stated in this comment. I didn’t feel like I earned the title of general either; New Vegas had the best decision system in the main quest. Great comment!
You can play fo4 without any settlements. If you want do do dumb, mean things, play the game a few times and throw it away, fo3 and nv are probably best for you.
I've been playing since Fallout 3, played them all. Yes EVEN 76. I can't really say which ONE is the best.( New Vegas) I mean they ALL have their FUN. MANY an hour and NO regrets playing them. I LOVE 4, the...MAP. It's a fun...playground but the...story and the CHOICES on handling situations doesn't come CLOSE to New Vegas, baaabbyy. Thank ya, Thankyaverymuch.
I was going to make that exact joke in the video! "I'm not here to tell you which one is the best (NEW VEGAS)" lol. They're all good games in their own right, the best thing would be if they took all of them and took the best part from each. Probably a dream, but that would be awesome!
No I think it’s my end. I’m new to RUclips and a few people have said the same thing. I’m going to get it fixed. Thank you for letting me know and sorry about the quality.
Finished New Vegas like 4 times but... I've replayed recently Fallout 4 (second time) and Fallout 3 (second time, but first time in over 10 years) - and I gotta say that I've forgotten how many original quests and locations were in Fallout 3, how much variety in small local societies - stuff like Megaton, Ghoul City, small village on a bridge, the subway filled with bandits, vampires wannabe, ghouls, then a random hotel in the middle of nowhere, a small house inhabited by some paranoid person, Brotherhood outcasts, Rivet City, slaves running away etc. Walking around always finished in discovering something fresh. And it's so much darker in its nature. I've found Fallout 4 just so boring the second time, I can't remember really any interesting quest from it - just chores, building bases, cleaning locations over and over. I do enjoy Fallout 76 tho, and I prefer it to F4. While we praise New Vegas rightfully so, I really encourage people to relive Fallout 3, it's so much better than I've remembered!
And yeah F4 gameplay/shooting feels better but tbh not that much better for me to prefer it over 3 overall. I probably won't revisit F4 again (but can't wait for Fallout: London!)
I Agree with both of your comments! Fallout 3's side quests were unbelievable. Like, the stories they told were very deep and a little twisted. Like psychologically it impacted you. Fallout 4, one of the things I notice is that I have so many places to go/can enter, but I get overwhelmed by it all. A lot of it is just something to do. Fallout 3 I felt like every location gave those type of rewards you're referring to. Great comment! 3 is underrated for sure.
0:38 Am I missing something here? What side quests? I remember actively running around the entire map looking for side quests. It was literally just go to random place, shoot the enemies, loot and repeat.
Yes I know what you mean! They were more about quantity rather than quality in the game, and I think that’s another big reason some may prefer the quests in the older games. Another settlement needs your help…
Fallout 4 was "dumbed down" to appeal to a larger audience because there are far more "casual" game players than there are "hard core" gamers. And it worked. It's still working. Personally I prefer 4 because of the massively superior graphics, combat, and gunplay. And the mods. Can't get those for 3 and NV on console, which is what the majority of people play on.
Yes, having access to the mods gives the game a longer (if not infinite) lifespan. Without those options a game will only age over time. 4 is still a great game, they all are. I would love for them to remaster Fallout 3 and NV, those games really deserve it, specifically Fallout NV. If not, we will get a new Fallout 5 one day and if they can keep the same attributes that made Fallout 4 so successful, then sprinkle in a little bit more of the RPG elements from previous entries...looking at a perfect game.
@@TheJudgementofDog I reckon they should do it. People would buy them and new fans deserve to experience those games Without having to struggle with the graphical limitations
If I really liked someone I'd suggest New Vegas, If liked them a little I'd suggest Fallout 3, if I hated them I'd suggest Fallout 4. Fallout Bore is an atrocious game. As has been pointed out that with every fallout game we got less role playing and more mindless shooter, it's actually with every Bethesda game. The more influence Maiq the Liar (AKA Todd Howard) has on a game the worse it gets. In Fallout Bore we not only get a mindless shootemup we also get cursed with Sim-Shanty. WTF has gerry_building Shanty towns have to do with a role-paying adventure game? Having seen how thing had gone with Bethesda I held off on buying F4 until I could buy it on GOG for $10, to find out I'd seriously over paid.
The problem with starting with Fallout 4 is it can make playing new Vegas and especially fallout 3 very unfun as far as fight in game goes. I personally suggest you play in order 3,new Vegas, then fallout 4 assuming you want to get the most fun out of each game.
I think this would be the ideal path and order to take. My only concern is that new fans may try 3/NV, not commit to it because how dated it looks and then give up entirely. I reckon the right order is what you've suggested, it's just whether people would commit to it.
one could also say that having played New Vegas, one would have the experience of a much better written game to compare FO4 to and in so doing making the game feel shallower when you get to it
Yes! If you check all the videos I’ve done since this one I figured it out! lol. I am new to RUclips (2 months) and I was producing the videos on low resolution. After the success of this video I received a lot of feedback, looked into it and figured it out! Sorry about the quality in this one but I’ve made the adjustments to keep the quality higher going forward!
@@AVVGaming1 I see _!_ I don't mind, most of the times 720p is my choice but sometimes it "defaults" to 480p because I'm doing something else and have these videos in the background
It is a looter shooter theme park. And it turned Fallout completly into the goofy cartoon area. No real RPGs elements, the shooting is mediocre at best and the looting is bad. It fails in all 3 Elements. Fallout 3 is bad, but it is still an RPG, a light one.
Yes its strange because the shooting was obviously worse in Fallout 3 and NV, but it wasn't compared to other shooters as they had other elements that they could specialize in. When they took out those RPG elements, they then got compared to other shooters, which it would end up losing too.
I get why FO3 is criticised (I have criticisms of my own) but this attitude of if something isn't 10/10 across the board, it's bad is not really useful or accurate. FO3 is a good game with some flaws (as well as some things it does excellently).
If you remember the faces that were placed on the sides of buildings in fallout 1 and 2, you know how different the world of fallout was in the first 2 games compared to four. Glad these are back in the new expeditions in 76 though.
I love all the fallout games i just prefer the themes and story of NV, i see new vegas as a sequel to 1&2 while 3 is a new starting point for new fans a clean slate being on the east Coast which as seen in F3 is not as developed as the west coast and F4 is a direct sequel to 3.
Falout NV is my personal favourite and even today I am still playing it. The Mojave just keeps me hooked and I don’t know why. I feel like I’m in a real world.
@@AVVGaming1 it feels more alive that F3 even F4, the east coast is so behind the west coast civilizations which is interesting but i would love to see F2 locations like reno in the F4 engine or maybe older westcoast factions invading newer east coast ones
Thank you so much! It was my mistake, I’m new and when I produced the video I selected it to export as 480p. I’ve since released a new video in HQ. This was a lesson for me and videos from now on will be better quality.
I see your point about player freedom but Fallout 3 isn’t the best counter example to Fallout 4. There are still a huge amount of „essential“ NPCs in that game you can’t kill. Even the major exceptions like Three-Dog (which you mention) and Moriarty don’t really change the trajectory of the main story if you kill them. Nuking Megaton is the only way to be truly lost in the main story if you didn’t get information beforehand, but it’s not like it destroys or even significantly diverts away from the main plot if you can pick the trail back up again somewhere else. This is why I like New Vegas the best out of the three; it feels like my choices matter so much more and I get to take part in crafting the plot I would want for my character.
Yes you're 100% right. I feel like maybe a honed it too much on Fallout 3 in this video. But I really wanted to do a Fallout New Vegas video separately and give it the love it deserves. Sort of explain why it's so special. Thank you for the feedback though :)
Around 15:00...you can get to 100 in every stat in new vegas...but the overall point of the specialization in skills mattering in dialogue more, and the options being more clear still stands.
one thing i think fallout 4 really dropped the ball on was factions like pretty much whichever you join the others have to die. i think one of my most disappointing moments was when i did my first playthrough. so i had been working closely with the brotherhood and railroad so i grew to like the railroad but the brotherhood only option i had was to kill the railroad i was really hoping for something like being able to warn the railroad and give them the option to run or make a peace treaty between the 2 i reloaded saves trying different speech options hoping there was one another option nope only one option.
Yes, it sorted of pushed you into a corner you didn’t want to go into. A lot of people I think end up just stopping at a certain part in the story so that way they don’t lose factions etc. there should have definitely been more options you’re correct!
Fallout 4 is not a bad game, however it is the reason there will be no more good installments to the fallout franchise ever again. I would rather it be a bad game.
I know what you mean, they dropped a lot of RPG elements and down graded their writing and because it was so successful, they will continue to go into that direction unfortunately
Nope. You could as well argue that Fallout 2 and New Vegas are not real Fallout games on the basis that they are "different" from Fallout 1. Fallout is not what you want it to be. Fallout is Fallout. Fallout 4 captures the feel and aesthetic of og Fallout and respects the lore. Tim Cain - the literal creator of Fallout sees ot as Fallout. But appearantly random FNV fanbois better know what Fallout truely is than the its literal creator...
@funki4896 I didn't say they weren't "real" Fallouts, using the older games as a metric, which is indeed viable, Fallout 4 doesn't hold up. It would've done much better as a spinoff, or better yet, a totally different game. Titles carry a lot of weight, throwing a title on something means that it's now carrying that weight, and it will inevitably always be compared to it's priors, one way or another. It wasn't a hard sentence to understand, or comprehend in the slightest.
Just wanted to point out for any new fans to the series, @23:39 it's mentioned that Fallout 4 leans into settlement building heavily and that it's a huge part of the game. This is straight up untrue. I can only think of three little times where that mode even comes into play. In the beginning, the player is encouraged to do some little tasks to help a group of characters (whole process takes about the time of an average pop song), and even then, not forced. If the player joins the Minutemen, you will have to use the mode to point at one pile of rubble and push one button. Then near the end, the player will have to use the mode to build a story-related device (takes about 30 seconds maybe). The whole concept of settlement building is optional at the very least and was tossed in by Bethesda via one guy's idea late into development. Those that are into it get to see their creativity pay off. Those that aren't don't have to waste their time with it.
Yes you’re spot on! Thanks for mentioning it and it’s correct, it’s there but not mandatory for the most part. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to fans new to the series. My video may have been a bit harsh at points and didn’t go into enough detail at points. Settlement building is optional.
Isn’t it hilariously ironic that in a game where the theme is “what makes a human being?” everyone, literally EVERYONE, is completely unchanging and robotic. I can’t think of a single character who goes through a meaningful character arc with noticeable change in character and personality. A game ABOUT humanity is notable for its lack of believable human characters.
Yes, there really isn't any character Arcs throughout. I was going to do a video on this actually, and how writing a morally grey character is the most interesting. A lot of characters written in Bethesda's games are like "cool hip sassy person" and that's it. It's like overly simplified with no room for that person to change or have another side. They are what they are.
The only meaningful arc is hidden unless you do a Brotherhood playthrough. Danse is revealed to be a synth, you can have a pretty solid conversation with him and he's so steadfast in his beliefs he still thinks you should kill him, at least initially...
@@uberboomer8670 wow that’s actually a real surprise! I did not know that! Thank you for sharing, that’s actually pretty clever writing in that one. Of course it’s hidden behind specific choices lol
@AVVGaming1 yeah I was pleasantly surprised but also a little annoyed that it took until the end of my 3rd different playthrough to find a modicum of depth. And yet I still genuinely love the game
Nothing wrong with loving the game. It’s still a great game, it’s just that starfield wasn’t a shock after fallout 4. It’s just about wanting to tell Bethesda, look we love RPG elements, we love the customised character options, we really don’t like radiant quests or procedural generated worlds. Basically just to guide them to making world class titles like they have done before.
People don't argue as much about 1/2 being the best because the people old enough to think of those as the best games don't waste as much time debating the topic.
Yes those that tend to love the first original games seem to be a lot more calm individuals in the comments sections and sort of like the scholars of the group lol. They have seen it all and don’t debate because they know
Its not like most of the fans started with the first two games, so no one really knows what it means to be a "real fan" anyway. Also, dont become one of those channels that say "i dont think youtube will let me say that, so ill just play nice and let the algorithm do its job" crap. Dont be a tool. Just say whatever you want, because im going to use ad-block and shadow view anyway.
Thank you! I am brand new to RUclips having only put out my first video 6 weeks ago so I generally don't know the rules lol. Just regarding swearing. I'm not bothered about the algorithm, I just don't want to make a video and it get taken down for one word lol Thank you for your feedback, I promise I won't become one of those channels!
I’ve not played Fallout 4…it seems like an ‘beginner’ game for the Fallout franchise for people who aren’t ready for the bleak insanity of the wasteland of Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Fallout 3 is still my favourite.
Fallout 4's Survival Mode is as dangerous and difficult as it gets in the franchise. And places like the Glowing are unseen in Fallout 3 or New Vegas...
the “bleak insanity” of the 2 easiest games in the series lol, base fallout 4 is quite a but harder than base 3 n NV and the survival mode is much harder than anything from other modern fallout
@@thewinger337 ‘bleak insanity’ is more of an aesthetic term. Fallout 3 looks like a barren wasteland and everyone and everything is out to get you. Cities decimated. It’s got that bleak vibe. And if none of your decisions make a difference to how you play the game it’s not as fun 🤷🏻♀️
I disagree on the part that Fallout 4 looks objectively better. That's entirely subjective other than the obvious higher polygon count and fleshed out human models compared to older gambreyo fallouts. The art style in Fallout 4 has been rebooted in to this wacky 1950s cartoony look with bright colors. It almost makes me feel like I'm walking through a theme park and not a desolate wasteland, It completely kills the vibe. This problem is even more exagerated in Fallout 76 with Apalachia's terrain. I hate this art direction and it strays away from the more mature and dark vibe I get from F3/NV. And no I'm not blinded by nostalgia since I played fallout 1 after every latest entry and it perfectly captures the desolate aesthetics that I love about post apocalyptic America in this franchise so
Exactly what I mean about the ambience. It was very colourful and positive environment with wacky characters. It seemed extremely different to what other Fallout games were like. The quests didn't feel deep or dark, like I don't really remember them. Even the quest where you have to track down a serial killer, when you meet him he's acting crazy and has these silly goggles on. It takes away the seriousness of it and breaks immersion.
I've said this before and i'll say it again. Fallout 4 made the apocalpyse look appealing to live in. You have friends, allies, lovers, a child? robot servants, power, settlements to make your own home and all the protection and weaponry you need so you're never in danger. If I HAD to live in a nuclear destroyed world, i'd be glad it's Fo4...if you're the main protagonist. Other people kinda got it bad but hey, that's not me
The blue sky and pretty colours kind of made it too cheerful in my opinion. It’s like you get to sanctuary and it’s destroyed, but you can in 10 minutes change it into a thriving safe place lol. Totally different from other entries.
@@AVVGaming1I mean the desert climate of Fallout 1 and 2 did a good job on their own of creating an environment that was dark. It isn’t exactly a desert on the East Coast, especially the area around Washington D.C. with a lot of marshes. I feel as if maybe Orange tones could work for making the game dark, partially because Mad Max Fury Road did that.
@@KaosNova2 I know I loved the fallout NV aesthetics even though that had a blue sky too. Just looked bleak. I guess I like it to look bleak lol barren even
Sorry new at RUclips! I didn’t cover as much as I may have wanted to but it’s just my 10th video. Sorry if it didn’t meet expectations but thank you for taking the time to give feedback.
I feel you're being very dishonest and unfair in when talking about fallout 4. I'll edit this comment and correct myself if needed but so far at 25:15 you've heavily implied fallout 4s quest are just radiant in nature. the minutemen have a storyline, the railroad have a storyline, the brotherhood, and the institute too and each have a point of no return in which you cannot further the other factions storylines. I'm saying this in good nature. I want you to do well with youtube, honestly but you're dishonestly misrepresenting fallout 4 entirely. New vegas is better, its not even close but 4 is much better than 3
Thanks for your comment, I’m new at RUclips and after listening back to the video I feel that it definitely came across as a bit harsh on fallout 4. I think I summed up at the end that they’re all good but prior to that point it came across as a bit one sided to the others. It’s something I am aware of and will work it in the future to be more neutral
I would recommend fallout 3. Not because it’s a “better game” than fallout 4, but narrative reasons and because it’s the best introduction. It has most of the core elements of a fallout game that serves as a nice intro to the world (vault life, brotherhood, enclave, mercenaries, raiders, super mutants, slavers, etc.) and has an enjoyably simple story to help with that intro. New Vegas would be next as the better and more complicated story now that one knows the basics and introduces people to the elements exclusive to fallout 1 and 2, games they aren’t likely to play.
The introduction for fallout 3 was really good. Absolutely gave you so much backstory and concept in such a short amount of time. It really is the best introduction for someone who knows nothing about fallout. It’s just whether someone new can go back to those old graphics, or whether they need to play a bit of 4, learn to love the series and then that gives them the push to stick with the games before it.
It's the fact that every character can be killed which made the game feel more realistic. I can go up to Benny and kill him without it affecting the rest of the game, and there were different ways to kill him too. I can kill Caesar, President Kimball, and/or Mr. House, and still continue the game. You can work with the boomers to ally with them or kill them all to finish the game. You had more choices to roleplay the story that you wanted. Where as in Fallout you had less choices to make, and everything was pretty much a different version of kill everything. You spend hours building good repour with every faction, only to have to destroy most of them. None of the endings are shaped based on the decisions you made to get there. Fallout 4 focuses more on settlement building than actually having a decent story.
@@toxicmale2264 Being able to make choices that just ruin gameplay, like killing quest givers, doesn't seem like a feature to me, it seems like a bug. I don't like that the traveling vendors can eventually die in FO4. It's one of the things I really disliked in FO3, at some point the whole world is dead. Not fun.
@@belmiris1371 The wasteland is not supposed to feel "safe". It is supposed to feel dangerous. Which is captured perfectly when everybody can be killed. While I am not advocating for killing everyone, it is the fact that you can that add to the dangerous feel.
In full disclosure, I'm very biased towards New Vegas. But in my opinion Fallout 4 and Skyrim too for that matter just feel so soulless to me. Mindless combat along a path that is extremely linear even though it masquerades as being so open. I love the entire series; both Fallout and ES, I just wish Bethesda would stop trying to appeal to everyone and try to appeal to their core fanbase.
The core fanbase is now the mindless people with no interest in a true RPG. The dialogue options are designed to not matter. It's for the people who just want to fudge around and shoot stuff before turning off the game so they can rapid skip all the meaningless dialogue options and continue on their day. Sad.
I think it’s the money that’s the problem. I prefer new vegas and always will but fallout 4 sold more. It happens all games now; they go for the money which tends to be what you’re saying. Easier to understand stuff. Doesn’t mean they have to throw it away completely though. What happened to innovation and trying something different? Not sure why games are becoming more basic.
@@AVVGaming1 It's like you say: It's about the money. From a publisher's perspective, the risk-reward ratio is just not there for new ideas. I think that's just where we are right now. I have hope that things will get better, but for now we endure. Having gaming be so accepted in the mainstream now is a double-edged blade. And it's also not only a problem for the games industry to be fair; it's a problem in nearly all media.
A lot of the good quests in Skyrim compete with the worst quests in Oblivion. The writing has gone downhill in both Skyrim and Fallout 4. The graphics and gameplay were clearly more important than the story the games used to tell. It felt like most of Fallout 4 was just settlement building. It should have been a DLC. Not so heavily focused as the whole purpose of the minutemen. Wasted potential on said faction. Who am I kidding, all of the factions were wasted potential. To the point where the three main factions are irredeemable in the eyes of each other. No compromise. Just kill everything. In New Vegas, you actions affected the faction you picked in the end. It made the whole game feel like your efforts mattered. Fallout 4 doesn't even present a good future for any of the factions. What happens to the commonwealth after you beat the game? At least Fallout 3 and NV gave you vision of what future you helped create.
24:24 all valid points. I think fallout 4 would have had a better settlement experience if they trimmed it down to 15-20 prominent settlements with their own stories kinda like bunker hill. Back when i played fallout 3 i remember wishing the game had a way to reflect my deeds physically in the world by making settlements like megaton actually look better and function better because i helped them. In a future game if they keep the system they should have some preset progressions to developing the settlements with whatever faction you want to run the territory with the option for you to totally personalize it the way you can in 4. This way you have something meaningful for people who dont care for building as well as people who do and the system is a bit more thoughtfully integrated. I really did not like the settlements in 4 until i played the game on survival mode and realized how vital the system could be when resource management and local safety became more of a consideration. And there were hints of this novelty with the brotherhood taxing settlements for resources or nuka world allowing you to convert them to raider settlements but ultimately these ideas were not baked in or elaborated on enough to make them feel substantial because as you said, your impact on the world is kept mostly on the surface and the response to your deeds and reputation are inconsistent at best. The game offers less narrative choice but in the long run it hasnt been too great a detriment personally since it’s easier to accept limitations than it is to accept many choices that never quite give you the outcome you want no matter how much you try because of moral ambiguity.
I 100% agree with everything you have said there. I haven’t played survival mode and so many people have recommended that I try it so I’ll definitely be seeing how it impacts the play through. I think when they dropped in settlement building it was a last minute edition so they didn’t really add much to it and just were sort of there. The Nuka cola one was better but again not perfect. Basically if they implemented everything you have said in this message then I would enjoy it a lot more! Awesome comment!
@@AVVGaming1 yeah survival mode is the only way i care to play f4. Its pretty hard at first but it highlights a need for strategic engagement with niche character builds and planning your expeditions in to the world by choosing what to cary, what to stash, what to buy, where to rest, ect. You can infuse your own head cannon in to it but i find the game much more enjoyable this way that makes it an entry with strengths uniquely worthy of praise. But i still want the best of all the worlds so i really want to see player choice in the narrative to come back in a more intelligent way for the future and thats were the remake/ remasters have a golden opportunity to refine these systems and get more fan feedback before the next main entry.
Fallout 4 being more colorful and the vibe more hopeful as you help rebuild with the Minutemen is probably why I like it so much. I just like helping people.
And that’s an awesome quality to have! The video is trying to say one is better than the other. They’re all great in their own ways and meet different peoples wants.
I do like fallout 4! Playing it right now. Just explaining from an angle why someone why say they prefer the older game despite on the surface fallout 4 being miles ahead. It’s all opinion based but I do love it!
nearly all fallout fans will say "start with fallout 3" going backwards with these games is not a great idea in terms of gameplay, QoL stuff and all of that. its how most of us started.
I would personally say to play 3, then NV and then 4. But in reality I have had to say 4 first just because people new to the series tend to play a couple of mins of three and NV and give up because of the graphics from those times. It’s too big a drop. At least if they play and like 4 it gives them a drive to push through with the older titles.
@AVVGaming1 not only the graphic, but stability issues as well. I know when I started NV on pc recently (ive played it before on console), it just crashed all the time. had to learn how to mod just soo I can play.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I am new but practicing daily and really enjoying it. Thank you for subbing too! I hope with each video to make them a little better each time, thank you for the support!
I think you make a great point. They are all great games, just for different reasons. In my opinion, the perfect Fallout game would have Fallout 3's exploration, New Vegas's world building, and Fallout 4's combat. I was surprised to learn this is a new channel - This was a very well made video. You obviously take a lot of pride in your work. I look forward to seeing more of your content in the future.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I am a new channel but learning every day to grow and improve. It's funny because right after I put the video up, I realized the perfect ending line for the video would have been to suggest that if the three combines were to be combined it would be the perfect game! That's what Bethesda should do! Take the best of all three and make the perfect blend! One can dream lol
I think the FO4 settlement building is the best part, and looking at Nexus, it and the companion system are very popular. Are they well implemented? Nope, but looking at the mods, they could have been, and I honestly think settlement building (with an option to make the new government) should have been a dlc in its own right. Sim settlements 2 is pretty much just that.
Initially I was looking at each main game. I remember I was having a hard time deciding which ones to play. I went with fallout 4 because: 1. Fallout 3 and New Vegas graphics looks dated. 2. Fallout 4's gameplay and world designed look hella fun. 3. Fallout 4 seemed to be the game with the most mainstream popularity. 4. I found the gameplay footage far more interesting then the other games and love the building system I was seeing. 5. I was aware people believed the dialogue system was limited, but for a new player like me it seemed more open ended then what I am familiar with. And I don't mind there being a voiced protagonist. 6. The game looked pretty expansive with so much to love. Its still hard for me to consider playing New vegas and Fallout 3 cause of stuff like this.
And that is absolutely perfectly fine! Fallout 3 and NV are amazing games but at this point they are a little bit dated now at this point. For people who are new to the series, it may be too much to ask them to play 3 and NV because of their age and dated graphics/gameplay. For example, my partner had never played a Fallout game before. Tried NV and 3 and didn't like them (couldn't get over the bad graphics). Finally, I suggested to try 4 and now they love it! As a result, now they're open to playing other games like New Vegas and Fallout 3 because they know the potential of how good they can be because of what they experienced in Fallout 4! They're all great games and if someone is going to commit to NV or 3, they have to know it's going to be worth their time. Once you've enjoyed Fallout 4 it may open the doors to try the others.
@@AVVGaming1 Yea. I definitely understand that. Its very possible I would have tried them if he graphics were updated. However I do intend on playing Fallout 3 and New Vegas someday. If not just to learn about the lore. There is a lot of good points in this video.
Thank you! Take your time and wait for the right moment when you are in the mood for it. Don’t force yourself through the motions. A day will come when you’re just in the mood to commit to one of them and it’ll be a good time!
@@samithonjames370 I think your forgetting the fact that Fallout 3 and New Vegas are also popular. I picked Fallout 4 due to a combination of factors that can be summed up as 1. Better graphics. 2. More interesting looking gameplay and systems 3. A lot of content to explore. 4. Interesting themes and alot of stuff that caught my attention as exciting when looking at gameplay footage. The popularity of the game was just a sign that I was making the right choice.
Each game has its own qualities and its nice that we are debating about games that are all so great. I absolutely love them all but New Vegas specifically. Nice to receive a message from El Phenomenon btw!
Fallout 4 is pretty but shallow. It's reminds me of The Outer Worlds which has all the same issues. So weird that Obsidian didn't make it more like New Vegas which is amazing. And the Fallout game I enjoy most. I do a solid Fallout 3 and New Vegas back to back playthrough every 4 months but only do Fallout 4 every couple of years.
New Vegas really was just special. Just one of those moments where everything came together. In reality, it shouldn’t have been possible with the time frames, but it happened and thank goodness for that!
Reasons for prefer Fallout 3: Nostalgia Reasons for prefer New Vegas: "Cause everybody says so!" Resons for hating Fallout 4: Its cool to hate post-Skyrim Bethesda BTW: I played ALL Fallouts (yes, also Fallout 1 & 2) to death and Fallout 4 is BY FAR my favorite Fallout Game. To AVV Gaming: You should play Fallout 4 only on Survival.
Thanks for the tip about survival, a lot of people have said the same thing. That was a very funny comment too about reasons to play the others lol. I think every Fallout game is fantastic, and I still love and play fallout 4. I was just giving some reasons some may prefer the others instead. I will be trying it on survival tonight.
Yes maybe not the best example! I’ll take note of that feedback and make sure to consider it in future videos. I honestly like fallout 4 a lot and was just explaining why someone may prefer the older games. I think, upon reflection, maybe the video comes across about harsh on fallout 4. Thanks for your comment.
@@AVVGaming1 It is not the best example, but one new players are most likely to encounter first, as FO4 sets you naturally to head to Concord and meet the Minutemen in the first hour of gameplay. While it's not a bad idea to talk about what effectively pads out the quests of FO4, I could see why you chose to pick them as most other quests from the top of my head are usually very linear in some capacity compared to FO3 or NV. So in retrospect; Maybe looked at picking something that's equally as deep into FO4 as your listed example, probably the one quest with the ghoul child in a fridge as an example, but overall I see why the meme-man himself would have been an obvious choice.
Thank you so much for the kind words! Piece of advice, stick with it as it starts a bit slow. Once you get to new vegas (outer town of freed side) you will start receiving a bunch of side quests and it’s that moment that you’re in and hooked!
It doesn't divide fans. You just have too many weirdo NV toxic fans in your circle that are really loud. The majority of Fallout fans play Fallout 4. That's why Fallout 4 has more current players, made more money, and has more sales.
Just to be clear, I love all Fallout games as I explain in the video; I just wanted to explain where some fans would argue against fallout 4. I love them all though and have played the life out of 4
I love how you only talked about the randomly generated quests in fallout 4 like that’s how they all are they have some awesome quests/side quests too with more depth but no don’t want to show them huh
No, you're absolutely right in what you're saying. Fallout 4 had some outstanding quests as well. The only problem was in that they introduced the radiant quests so early and they got mixed in. But Fallout 4 had a lot of great quests you are correct! Maybe next I will do a ranking of every great side quest in 4. The point of the video is to show how/why someone will enjoy the older games compared to the new. It is not to say one is necessarily better than the other, I love every single Fallout game including 4! I have played it 4 times, must have put hundreds of hours into it!
You really hit the nail on the head with this. 3 and New Vegas are bleak as hell, they actually feel post apocalyptic, depressing, and quite eerie. 4 is just so colorful and has this slightly cartoony, Pixar esque art style, as welll as a more upbeat soundtrack. I prefer my Fallout to have that dirty and grim almost horror vibe.
The thing about New Vegas is that, depending on your choices, you can help to rebuild the Wasteland by your choices. Do you go with a corrupt government whose people are well intentioned? The pre-war businessman? Anarchy? Or do you go with Roman LARPers?
Counterpoint: As I've gotten older, I've found myself preferring the more hopeful and optimistic undertones of Fallout 4 in comparison to its predecessors. Ultimately, it depends on the current mood I'm in, but considering how the real world has been getting aggressively worse year after year after year, I've found myself looking more for media that doesn't make me feel miserable the majority of the time. Sorry, there's a better way of putting this than I am, and to each their own.
Exactly. It also would go against one of the game's main themes of questioning whether or not Synths are human by clearly delineating morality to certain actions related to it. By not giving us Good Karma if we helped save a Synth, for instance, we can come to our own conclusions on whether or not we actually did the right thing instead of just letting the game tell us we're good/evil.
Yup. You’ve nailed it. Fallout 4 isn’t an objectively bad game, but it’s very shallow and does not have the wonderful despairing tone of 3 or NV. Starfield is the logical endpoint of this: everyone’s essential. No real choice. Sign of the times. Great video.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I feel like the best games including the ability to make decisions and impact the world e.g. Witcher 3, the walking dead both won game of the year. Decision making is essential in video games as that’s why we play them. A movie or tv show is linear, I like to impact a game.
@@AVVGaming1 It's really hard to put my finger on it. I have tried maybe 6 times to get into it over the years and I sputter out after a few hours. It feels like its better polished than 3 & NV but it doesn't feel like it's deep. Maybe the way interacting with NPCs works and maybe the Commonwealth just doesn't grab me as much. I don't bother with the settlements so I don't really care about that aspect.
@@h347h I made this video after my recent experience. I go flying into this game but suddenly lose interest after certain amount time goes by and that doesn’t happen with NV for example.
New Vegas was one of those lightning in a bottle moments. How they made that game in that time period with as much depth as they did, is literally crazy. I still play it and continuously say out loud "how did they program that in!? How did they think of that!?" from start to finish. A masterpiece?
I think Fallout 3 should have had 3 options for the prologue The longest option, where you see the wanderer at 1, 10, 12, 16, 17 and 18 years old The default one we got with 1 10 16 and 18 And then a quick start version with just the birth and the 18 yr prologue ending.
That’s an awesome idea! This would fit all types of players. Those that really enjoy the long back story and want to take their time, those that want to enjoy it for a bit and those that are on playthrough 278 and want to get out there really quick! lol
it felt so pushed and pointless and most of all out of place in a fallout game, seemed completely unnecessary if i wanted to build stuff i'd play another game entirely
*Fallout 4 was actually my first Fallout game and it got me to go back and play 3 and NV 👍 I don't think either of them is necessarily better than the other, they're all extremely different and are appreciated respectively OR AT LEAST THEY SHOULD BE* 🕵
That’s exactly why I love the fallout series. They’re all great, but for different reasons. Different games for different tastes. They’re all enjoyable and we are lucky that the franchise has so many great games! I play them all for different reasons.
If your counting Radiant quests as more content, No. THe only way i played Fallout 4 was heavily modded. Its story is lackluster, contradictory, and lacked player choice and consequence. I dont count 76 as a True Fallout seeing its an MMO, and where they placed it in the timeline, ALSO counts as a Retcon to the entire series. New Vegas was the first Fallout i ever played and got me into Fallouts 1 and 2. Anyone that says their too boring, clunky, and crap like that, are only making excuses.
I agree with all that you’ve put there. The writing quality dropped and it always loses me. The open world is great in 4, but the writing is just either plain dull or two basic. I will end up doing a video on why 76 isn’t really a fallout game.
@@AVVGaming1 Btw, New Vegas isnt an Expansion to Fallout 3, more of a Sequel to the Original Games since Obsidian was made of ex Black Isle Studio Devs.
@MLPDethDealr32 yes sorry I think I meant as in like it was the same engine, just miles up in terms of writing and everything else. But because of how similar it looked and felt, it was like fallout 3 part 2 just in gameplay for its time. I know the story is completely different and Obsidian went back to the good writing and RPG elements. That game really needs a remaster.
Fallout 4 is fun to mess around with. I liked building settlements and tinkering with the power armor, but it was a horrible portrayal of what the wasteland would be like to live in. How is anyone having issues when it’s so easy to create unlimited power and water or even creating massive structures. Once you’re able to mass produce water you don’t even need to go and find materials, as you can just trade your way to everything you could possibly need. In the previous games you couldn’t just make stuff out of the blue and it felt as if people actually having a safe roof over their heads was a treasure that most would kill for.
Yes, I think you've nailed it there. It's a bit too easy to get comfortable in that world. The other games were about survival and cherishing every drop of water and ammo. I just felt like Fallout 4 was an entirely different game. That's not a bad thing, it's just a different thing. All the games are good in their own ways!
Sorry I’m new at RUclips. I’m making the video in HQ but during the upload process it’s changing it. I’ll figure it out and make sure videos going forward are in higher quality. Thanks for the feedback.
I love Fallout 4. I have been steadily cultivating all the settlements, not just the usual 4 or five. I don't mind Preston, as my settlements are so well defended, nothing is missing when I go back to visit. I miss the drama of New Vegas, and hope that Fallout 5 will take place there and feature a similar RPG element.
That’s awesome! Takes a lot of dedication to commit to all the settlements! I bet if feels really rewarding though. I think fallout 5 would be awesome if they took the best from every game and put everything altogether. Probably asking too much but I can dream!
I played through all of Fallout 3 and had a heck of an experience. It impacted me a lot. It was also a meta experience considering at the time I recently moved into the DC Metro area. I however near the end got actual depression from the game. This video explains perfectly why. It's sad, desolate, brutal, and everything is out to kill you. I couldn't bear running into another dark depressing corner with corpses and then learning about their sad horrible fates. That being said, running head first into that slaver town with a full arsenal and unaliving every single slaver I could find before barely even reading a quest prompt will forever be a core memory for me. I hate slavers.
They were the worst! Paradise falls was the place! I think I did something similar. That world of Fallout 3 was such a rough place. Like we can go in and destroy those slavers but you just knew the world was full of them. Made you sad about what the world had become. It definitely left a mark for sure!
I've been playing Fallout for years and I have yet to play 1,2, and New Vegas since I don't have the right system to play the first two games yet. But even though 3 was my first game I've actually put more hours into Fallout 4 due to the Combat, Power Armor, and Equipment Customization. Here's what I'd personally recommend for people looking to get into the game. If graphics, combat, or just that big suit of power armor from the show are your fancy, Fallout 4 is the way to go. As the level up system and the game itself are easy and friendly for all newcomers to the series, with survival mode being a challenge in case you have the time and want the challenge. If you want a better story and immersion as well as a much more unique character, Fallout 3 is the way to go. Like the points made in the video Fallout 3 gives a blank character with perspectives from both inside and outside the vault. Character Creation and Combat can be hard for newcomers to wrap their heads around, I barely got by not knowing what I was doing. That and the DLCs with stuff like The Pitt, Point Lookout, and Anchorage are really good as well. If picking up one isn't enough, then I'd recommend picking up the other, and if you're really on a Fallout grind, go ahead and do what I've been wanting to do and play Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas in that order as they were made from the original developers and seem to have that original vibe to them. Granted you can just play New Vegas and that's completely fine too, I just recommend it all this way since I don't have any experience with the originals and New Vegas. TL;DR: Casual Experience: Fallout 4, Immersive Experience: Fallout 3 or New Vegas, Classic Experience: 1, 2, and New Vegas
I agree with this 100%. It’s what the person needs in order to get into the series. My partner is playing 4 now. I would love it if they played New Vegas but the graphics are too much of a step down for them. Now they’re committed to 4, it will open up the desire to try and commit to the others. Great comment!
Thank you very much! It’s a Northern English voice lol this is actually the first comment I’ve had about my voice and it means a lot! I’m still new at this whole thing and will only improve as I go along. Comments like this really make my day so thank you for taking the time to write it!
Haha I appreciate the feedback. I’m brand new at it all so it’ll take me time but I think every video I make it getting better. One day I’ll get it to be top quality. If you ever watch any new videos I do please leave honest feedback. I can only grow and improve from constructive feedback.
With every Bethesda Fallout game, we get less and less role playing game, and more looter shooter.
I think we have to just hope they bring your RPG elements back into the game. I think the fans would appreciate it and could handle it. I don’t think them taking them out makes the
Game better or more well received. I think they can please both sets of fans and still put RPG elements in. Not sure why they took them out.
@@AVVGaming1yeah that's honestly my belief for it imagine a fallout with the gameplay of fallout 4 the exploration of fallout 3 and the story quality of fallout New Vegas
That is the perfect fallout game
Fallout 3 had the most interesting things tucked away in the world and so many random encounters I still haven't seen them all despite the fact I've played the game since it came out
Fallout New Vegas has to be my favorite story in a video game
And fallout 4 improves on every bit of the looting the gameplay and the quality of life even it's vats system is the best in the series requiring more thought in planning than any of the previous
@@themanicman8458 I just booted up NV again this morning. Left it at level 38 and now just exploring the map. Unreal game. Gonna have to do a video on it lol I can’t resist!
@@AVVGaming1 that's new vegas' quality. Even talking about it now gives me an immediate itch to play it again after so many years because it's addictive in the fun way and not anti-fun like fallout 4 where you feel cheated when u play it
@@AVVGaming1 after the amazon show i wanted to revisit the games, booted up FO4 for about 20 minutes and got bored. Booted up NV, 43 lvl right now, nearly 140hours and im just discovering the someguy2000 series of questmods - INSANE
Fallout 3 has the best adventure, Fallout 4 has the best gameplay, Fallout 76 has the best community, but Fallout New Vegas has the best depth. That's just my opinion though
New Vegas' depth, for a game that took 1.5 years to make, is unbelievable even until this day!
I disagree about the gameplay. Fallout 76's gameplay was an improvement to Fallout 4's.
I never liked New Vegas. I really really tried, too. The only part I really enjoyed was Old World Blues. The rest is long, drawn out, and generally boring.
I love how F4 power armor feels like POWER ARMOR and not a metal spandex suit with exposed pipboy wrist😂 The Fusion Core part needs some fine tuning in next games but keep in mind. A supposed 200+ year lasting FC would get its lifetime shortened by not only time but conditions aswell by F4 time. Spiters ignore that part. Hope for more immersion like option to opaque, even remove the p.a HUD, also have different helmet HUD frames depending on what p.a helmet and visor you use too, in future games. Also HUD color wheel option
@@hermos3602I agree and disagree, the mechanics of playing 76 are a straight upgrade in my opinion in almost all aspects BUT it's just not nearly as fluid as 4 due to the online play and that kills the gunplay but the systems are still engaging enough but the action is not as fluid so I prefer 4's responsiveness and 76's legendaries and character building
4 is wide but shallow. The dialogue system and voiced protag limited the story and removed the ability get good conversations with NPCs about factions, life, and story details. While the gameplay is 'better' than 3, it really isn't on par with shooters of 2005... then you have the reduction in towns in favor of settlements. A neat feature for sure, but not good enough to sacrifice the entire point of fallout.
Eh I think it’s a nostalgic bias
My friend who isnt a fallout fan started playing it and enjoyed it but he came to me and said "whats up with the dialogue system, its so bad they might aswell just have removed it altogether". Pretty sad.
@@Concerned_Citizen Except the video quite clearly shows it's not nostalgic bias.
I think they were trying to advance their game quality by adding the voiced dialogue almost thinking of it as an improvement but it just didn't work. At least we should know exactly what we're about to say lol. Some people will love the settlements instead of the towns, but unfortunately I myself prefer the towns. I think there was too much of the settlement building and it just seemed out of place.
@@Concerned_Citizen I love fallout 4 NV is my favorite but i love them all and the voiced dialogue and such shallow limited options in how to handle the conversation you have in game is the worst part of fo4 and almost ruins it as a RPG
For all of FO4's flaws, it's still way better than Starfield lmao
Haha you can say that again! It had flaws, but it's still a good game you will play in the future. Starfield was so disappointing its not even funny.
Starfield is just fallout 4 in space and lacking any vision or direction for what they were making.
@@GalileoGuy175 the lack of creativity in the writing or world building is ridiculous. It’s literally a universe you can write anything. Mass effect a great example.
That’s a VERY low bar but I hear ya.
A very low bar, but true.
It's kind of funny to me, there is more shown progress in the ten years between Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 than in the 173 years between Fallout 76 and Fallout 3. That is the biggest issue I have with how Bethesda designs their version of the Fallout world. So much time has passed, and humanity just can't seem to drag itself out of the detritus of the old war.
I have always wondered that as well, at what point does humanity start to rebuild things normally instead of that mad max style. Maybe it's just for aesthetics? If they were to rebuild maybe it wouldn't have that post-apocalyptic vibe?
The whole Fallout story doesn't make sense. 200 years after the bombs drop but everyone and everything looks and act as if it's only a few days after. For comparison the whole U.S.A was only founded like 2 centuries ago and it's a complete world now from back then.
@@xsizzlexster6495the west coast actually was developing and advancing......until the TV show. It feels like Bethesda is using the show to bring civilization back to their standard living in tin shacks post apocalypse.
Agreed. If fallout 3 was set around the same time as fallout 1, it would make total sense, and fallout 4 could be set later. It'd be cool to get two parallel societies on the opposite coasts and see how they interact with each other, but that's too much creative world building for Bethesda to handle
The west coast had a fairly developed civilization until the TV show. I think Bethesda used the show to bring the level of civilization close to that on the east coast.
In beyond the beef you missed another outcome. You can even put fake blood on a bed and say that the dad was the one who murdered his own son and the dad gets gunned down by a securitron. This shows that the writing is so phenomenal in new Vegas.
It's a shame that Beyond the Beef is so complex it tends to bug a lot on an unmodded copy of the game. It's truly a fantastic quest with the amount of options you have.
This is my I love Fallout New Vegas! It just keeps delivering surprises and secrets! How the heck did they make that game in the last 1.5 years! I am gonna have to do a video just for that game soon!
@@AVVGaming1it took so little time because they didn’t have to make any of the gameplay systems. All they had to worry about were the quests and story
Yes that’s correct, but still the level of depth on these quests, it’s just above and beyond level of work. It really is a gem of a game.
@@AVVGaming1 it is, but obsidian’s best work has always comes off the backs of other’s hard work. new Vegas wouldn’t have been nearly what it was without Bethesda’s gameplay systems. We saw what they did with their own IP (Spacer’s choice or whatever it’s called) and it was pretty forgettable.
I just know lots of fans of new Vegas talk about how shitty Bethesda is when they talk about new Vegas, and I just want to reiterate that New Vegas is also good because of Bethesda’s hard work in making the engine, tools, assets, animations, gameplay systems, etc.
My wife has just gotten into the series. I started her on 4 specifically for the simplistic story. Great way to dip your toes without too much stress. After playing all of them, her favorites are 2 and 3, but she admits that she never would have touched them if they were her firsts. Especially NV; it's a Mastercraft for gamers/genre fans, but way too heavy for newcomers.
Yes 100% and you know what’s crazy? My wife just got into the series and fallout 4 was her first too. I feel like its enough to show the potential of the series which gives them the encouragement to push through the older graphics and gameplay of the previous entries and appreciate them. If you ask someone who is used to modern graphics to jump into an older version they may give up altogether and that would be a shame.
I agree, bcus you have to know how to mod them too to really enjoy them these days.
I agree
New Vegas was my first, it was a huge learning curve to me cuz im a stupid kid whos never played fallout. But I love the game.
@@tweeshrew that’s awesome! I’ve just done a new vegas video if you want to check that out. New vegas is my favourite but all of them are great in my opinion it’s one of the only series that has so many top games
I feel like there's a lot of hate towards FO3, but that game did a lot right. Those sidequests, though a lot of them were still go here and kill this, were some of the best Bethesda's ever done (The Superhuman Gambit, Reilly's Rangers, Stealing Independence, You Gotta Shoot 'Em in the Head), the best sound design and DJ, and it got 5 story DLCs most of which were awesome (-Anchorage...).
To me it feels like Bethesda was at least TRYING with Fallout 3, whereas I don't feel that at all with Fallout 4 and later.
I think it’s the case in writing. They put a lot of effort in whilst writing fallout 3 and then in 4 they simplified it a lot. They mainly focused on quantity instead of quality which more present in 3. I don’t hate fallout 4 but 3 definitely did a lot right and deserves praise for sure!
Voiced protag works fine in a non-rpg. If you are on train tracks, and the writer has a great story and you are there to shoot stuff in between scenes, it's fine.
But when they moved to voice, they just collapsed the rpg elements. You are given one character to play, the soldier, and the female lawyer one is technically there, but only cosmetically. The character has soldier skills and no lawyer skills. They never set up a provisional government, for example, because they do not know anything about laws and never went to law school.
If anything, they could have committed to the bit and only given you nate, or gone for dual protagonists who might even end up fighting, or who might work together to build a new government. Nate could do combat, Nora could do diplomacy/settlement management.
Or they could have scrapped both and gone back to the ttrpg roots, and let the player make up their own story.
Great post. I would side with the going back to the basics and just leave the slate clean. I think letting a player make up their own stories is the best way and when I think of Betehsda open world games, that's what I think of, roleplaying. Like you said, in Uncharted games they have voiced characters with set stories. But they are really good stories and voice actors and linear. Bethesda are building open worlds to explore and it doesn't need to be done there. Also, the story in Fallout 4 is just not good enough as a trade off for a lack of freedom in Roleplaying. At least in my personal opinion. You summarized that element perfectly.
@@AVVGaming1 I'm not against the voiced Protagonist if they went the Mass Effect route. I do like BrettCaton's idea of dual protag's but dunno how'd it work.
They only had Nora so you could switch to playing A girl instead of A guy. The whole point of Bethesda games these days is how much of A broader audience they can reach... Sellouts, if you ask me.
Insert Mass Effect and The Witcher
@@duncanharrell5009The comparison to Mass Effect is insightful. Because Mass Effect let you choose Shepherd’s background and changed the voiced dialogue accordingly, and even had quests only available to specific backgrounds.
The only reason Fallout 4 doesn’t have that is Bethesda being lazy. Well, that and wanting everyone to be able to do everything in a single play through, something that started in Oblivion and has become the standard.
I don't mean to be that edge lord, but the thing that gets to me the most about Fallout 4 is the tone.
It's just not dark enough, often enough.
Compared to Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Fallout 4 feels "Pg-13"
Compared to Fallout 1 & 2, Fallout 4 feels PG.
Edit, I clearly like to comment right away. Well said AVV
Yeah it was the first thing that came to mind. When I replayed 3 I was so surprised by how much more dark it was, not just in the visual but in dialogue. I much prefer writing like this is any game, I don't like the other writing which is almost silly. Like in Starfield, they had like country farmers working on the moon saying things like "we are just country moon folk, we don't know nothing about no fancy spaceship" and it's like who writes this stuff? Lol
@@AVVGaming1 Completely agreed.
true, fallout 4 felt like a shallow kids game at times where nothing mattered and every option you chose would never matter anyhow
you will always be the hero and never like a survivor in a blown up world
@@SimonRobeyns Agreed. I hate to boil it down as childish, but it really was just a bit too whimsical for me. The older fallouts have whimsical moments too, but the juxtaposition works better because the older games also take the darker parts far more seriously and you feel the threat of living in the wasteland. That's what makes the absurdist humor of Fallout work so well. Or I'm high, I dunno
Disney af
One thing you have missed is that the only faction you cannot violently remove in Fallout 4 is the Minutemen. Everyone else are at your mercy, meaning if you choose to you can absolutely make yourself their enemy the moment you encounter them, including killing otherwise essential characters you'd need to interact with to do that faction's storyline. I still remember that the moment I encountered Father in my very first playthrough I immediately started shooting. I encountered a new faction and through my actions and choices locked my access to them and any friendship away. So if you consider having the option to blow up Megaton or murking Bruke as part of roleplaying and character customization, then you need to also see the option to become an enemy of the big factions via immediate hostility as a similar expression of the same approach.
That's awesome! I actually never considered shooting Father immediately and it's really cool that you can. Now on my most recent playthrough of Fallout 4 I am going to have to test all of these things you have suggested. Very fair points! I still think Fallout 4 is an incredible game, and you learn something new about it every day! Thanks for the information!
yeah but that's something you could do in every game (except fallout 3). Aside from becoming enemies with a faction and choosing different ways to resolve a conflict in 8 (?) sidequests there's no way to impact the world.
@@maestrofeli4259 You're both correct there but also maybe missing the point a little. The fact that you can have a relatively broad stroke across all factions before ultimately siding with one (including just focusing on a single one barring the Institute) makes the general faction design quite similar to New Vegas. Both games have a single faction (Yes Man/Minutemen) that will always be there to enable you to finish the game while allowing you to treat the other factions in any way you want, may it be cooperation, tolerating them, or making them your enemy. While New Vegas has the reputation system which puts more limits on your interaction with each faction before things go down south, two of the three big factions (NCR and Legion) offer you a full pardon if you have wronged them this entire time but may want to side with them after all. So to some extend you also can dip into every faction just like you can in F4. And in both games you reach a point where you ultimately have to choose one. But also in both you have the power to outright reject options. Ultimately it's easy to say that New Vegas designed their factions and your interactions with them more elegantly, but at the same time F4 does offer you a quite similar option of experiences.
Yoo i thought i was the only one that started blasting
@@maestrofeli4259 You can't kill Yes Man in fallout new Vegas they are all like that people are jaded.
The dialogue system in 4 was just a ridiculous change of it ain’t broke don’t fix it
I watched a video on why they did change it. They tried to copy mass effect but primarily the walking dead by tell tale games. It really wasn’t broken and was the best in FNV. The Starfield one is just too many questions that no one is really bothered about
@@AVVGaming1 why would they do this, both of them were crap .. especially the telltale extended cutscenes. ( I refuse to call those games )
It was changed for consoles. F4 was the first Fallout title made with consoles in mind. They had to keep the game size down due to console limitations, etc. The choice to voice the protag made this even worse as it meant for voice files and thus a bigger game. Consoles destroy PC titles.
@@taylemgames2652 no Bethesda is just stupid and is using a dated game engine
One thing I think 3 and NV both got wrong is the lack of plant life, you can look at Bikini Atoll or Chernobyl and see that 40 to 70 years after a bomb or major radiation release they are green so why would the world 200 years after the war be so barren.
I'm sure this was due to engine limitations but I don't consider it amazing world building.
Plenty of trees in new vegas, just not in the desert..
I understand your point. It may actually be down to engine limitations though as you said. Thank you for the examples, I have just been looking at them online now!
I think FO3's lack of flora was a conscious decision to make it closer to 1 and 2. But the classics take place in the desert of California, while 3 takes place in the green region around DC. It would make sense if the game took place close to the war since nuclear bombs are mini stars that incinerate everything, but after 200 years the plant life would be as it was before human settlement, a wild forest. New Vegas had the engine limitation of 3, but also it makes sense that the Mojave Desert would have sparse vegetation. There is plenty of vegetation around Jacobstown in mount Charleston tho.
New Vegas is based on Las Vegas which is pretty deserted anyway. So, I get why it didn’t recover
The desert dont get any veg dessert
lol I was doing a brotherhood mission and one of the knights said, “if you think the commonwealth is bad you should see the capital wasteland”
Haha and they’re spot on! lol it’s definitely the less pretty of the two areas lol one aged better than the other lol
This is why I feel that in order to enjoy fallout 4 as a fallout game you have to play on survival.
A lot of people have also been saying that! It's a great point! Just to clarify, I still love Fallout 4, it's still a great game!
@@AVVGaming1 I have like 2,000 hours in it and I fuggin hate it 😂
Yeah, survival is the only way I have ever played it.
Haha 2000 hours!? That is awesome! I’m gonna have to get that mode on tonight I reckon.
i just try to survive the gamebreaking bugs for a start
Nate/Nora is a weird halfway house between a blank slate and being their own character. They have too much predetermined background for you to truly make them your own, but at the same time their predetermined character traits are used so little that they don't actually serve as truly independent characters with their own stories. It's the worst of both worlds.
lol that’s true! It’s a weird combination for sure. I think I prefer blank slate over background story.
They should had really leaned into the Soldier/Lawyer thing with the route they choose. They needed to pick a lane and go full bore, but they rode the line between predetermined and blank slate and it just made things a homogenized mess where there was zero different between Nate and Nora beyond their sex.
One of the things I hated in fallout 3 is the necessity to use metro tunnels to move around the wasteland. If I'm gonna spend a good portion of a game in a dark train tunnel filled with creatures and people who want to kill me, I'd play metro instead. And that was the first reason I fell in love with new vegas, it's a real open-world experience.
Of course, I love NV for other reasons too mainly how interactive the world is and how interconnected everything in the game are, even the DLC's have arcs.
Moving to the topic of Fallout 4, I hate the skyrim style questlines. I literally did so many radiant quests for the brotherhood in my first playthrough just to feel like I actually am a part of the brotherhood not just a mere messenger. Ironic isn't it? My impact to the world is better explained, and made more sense as a literal Courier than as a brotherhood "knight" where I felt like a glorified mailman.
Yes fallout 3 used a lot of metro tunnels and new vegas really was a brilliant game. I personally don’t like radiant quests but I understand they can be there if wanted. In Skyrim they’re in there but subtle. In Fallout 4 they became a bigger portion, then starfield they pretty much became the game. The pattern isn’t great but I just feel like hand crafted content is so much better!
fallout 4 is somehow letting down more on story, and focused more on gameplay and graphic
I think the writing in Bethesda games recently has been far too "safe". Like almost so obvious and no risks taken, that it kind of insults the intelligence a little bit. I saw a video on their writing and how they aim to keep it simple, but it's too simple now I think.
I feel you somewhat glossed over it because FO4's engine has notably less stutter in combat, but FO4's gunplay was abysmal. An incredibly small pool of weapons artificially inflated with weapon mods mostly tweaked small stat changes. They lumped energy and ballistic weapons into the same perk categories and took away derived SPECIAL stats (reload speed, accuracy, strength requirements, crit chance). They ditched NV's damage threshold system and different ammo types (pulse, fletchette, hollowpoints, etc.) and got rid of unique weapon variants for their stupid 'legendary' weapon system that makes zero sense lore-wise (and have sadly continued into FO76 and Starfield).
Seems to be this guy really loves to gloss over details, he also didn’t articulate properly that Fallout 3’s worldbuilding doesn’t make any sense and that Tenpenny tower quest outcome where u get the ghouls in peacefully has zero impact on the story
Yes I agree with all your points. I definitely personally preferred Fallout NV as its my favourite. Sorry I wasn't able to cover all this in the video but I agree with everything you said. Thanks for your feedback.
@@AVVGaming1 No worries I think you did a great job overall with this video especially explaining the differences in ambiance and quests. It's just... FO4 irritates me in a lot of so many little ways.
Like, that first suit of T-45A power armor you get for free in Concord? It has higher damage protection values than any other base game non-power armor. Even if you broke EVERY PIECE except one, you'd still be getting better protection than a FULL SUIT of Combat Armor. Who thought this was a good idea?
@@danpaz9485To be fair siding with the ghouls changes the vendors in the tower and affects a couple of related sidequests.
@@MichaelJennings-ro9zq As someone who likes replaying Fallout 4 more than any other Fallout game (I love the survival mode), I do agree on the early power armor being stupid. I just ignore it completely for this reason.
But I actually prefer the way armor reduces damage in Fallout 4 to the DT system in New Vegas.
Also, the weapon mods do not give 'small stat changes'. In many cases, a weapon's damage will nearly double when comparing the weakest mod to the strongest mod.
Then you have mods that change the gameplay in other ways; ie, adding a scope vs reflex sight, or a mod that changes a projectile weapon into more of a flamethrower. How are these 'small stat changes'?
I agree on some of the derived special stats; but accuracy IS derived from perception in VATS. And Luck does affect criticals by affecting how fast your critical meter builds up. Also, the Luck perks are often crit focused.
'stupid' legendary system... man, the legendary system is one of my favorite aspects of Fallout 4; especially in survival mode. If I haven't slept in a bed for more than an hour, yet see a legendary raider or gunner... I suddenly get torn as to whether I should chance it and potentially lose a lot of progress on my game. It's a great tension I can't get in any other Fallout game, or in a lot of other videogames in general. And sure, many of the legendary items aren't very good.. but maybe, just maybe, I find that Instigating Gauss or Twin Shot Combat Rifle. (I ignore all legendaries that can be bought from vendors because I enjoy the loot hunt).
Anyway, sorry if this came off as argumentative. I just think there is a good reason why people mostly say the writing in Fallout 4 sucks (it does) but the gameplay is the best.
Begin again the tale of two wastelands is hands down the best fallout experience anyone can have. Fallout 4 Magnum Opus with a few additional mods comes close.
Thanks for the advice! I’m going to try that and add it to my growing list of things to try and play lol.
It is flatly not true that you can experience everything in one playthrough in Fallout 4. You can pretend to be friendly with all factions up to a point, as could any double agent IRL. But there will be a point of no return where you must choose a side. What happens after that completely changes depending on whom you choose to support.
That is true! There is a point where you can't experience everything so you're right!
There is really no point in experiencing all factions because they're all the same. Once you've done all their quests up to the point of no return, there's no point in joining them in other playthroughs because their ending is all kinda similar. Just watch their endings on RUclips so you don't have to waste hundreds of hours.
@@One.Zero.One101 yes and this is a little bit disappointed. I’m going to discuss the writing in Bethesdas recent games soon. I feel like the audience would appreciate a bit more challenging content (story wise)
@@One.Zero.One101Yep lmao. The only faction with some kind of rational/ideology is the BoS. Under Maxon it makes some sense that they'd try to eradicate the Institute.
The Institute is a nonsensical, impossible, self contradictory faction. The Minutemen are half baked and have absolutely no good reason to seek and destroy any of the other 3 factions (players can attempt to inject their leadership as a reason, but this is hardly reflected in the Minutemen as a faction who are essentially a farmer militia/mutual defense coalition). Why the Minutemen would not want to OCCUPY the airship and/or Institute I have no idea, nor do I have any idea where they got the ordinance to destroy the Institute in the first place.
The Railroad has similar issues. All of this talk of espionage but at the end of their story they seek the same annihilationist solution to the Institute as the BoS which makes absolutely no sense. If they are trying to help synths, maybe they should OCCUPY the facility that produced and serviced synths? Bethesda could have written the Railroad differently, specifically making them more philosophically robust regarding the creation of synths and synth personhood, but instead they're a bland, uncomplicated, incoherent mess whose favored outcome is apparently the same as the explicitly colonialist, xenophobic BoS.
I would have loved to see factionalism in the Railroad/Minutemen but apparent stability and unity on the part of the Institute and BoS. The Institute, being isolated and insular, is primed for propaganda and group think. Similarly, the BoS is highly ideologically motivated and actively hostile to new ideas and differences in speciation among the mutant life of the wasteland. Players could feel conflicted about choosing the "strong" but morally questionable factions over the "weak", fractured factions with less abhorrent morals/ethics.
@@One.Zero.One101 Waste? I'm absolutely certain hat I won't "waste" hundreds of hours on anything.
What's the point?
And how much money do you want to bet that I haven't found and beaten unmapped locations in the Commonwealth that aren't on RUclips?
Gotta be honest, i just started fallout new vegas after having it for years in my backlog, and while having playing fallout 3 and then 4 at launch i must say that 4 is the weakest of them all by far, maybe there are some parts of 3 that are done better in 4 but not the ones that matter in my opinion, the settlement building was fine, but not good enough to carry through most of the game, you're probably going to play with it in 3-4 settlements, maybe 5 at most, and then you're going to get tired of it bc of how bad the placement system can be with some items and between foundations, walls, etc. It's even worse when you get a huge space to make your vault but there's no way to make it not look like shit and since then i really think i dont want to touch that mechanic ever again if the settlers are as shallow as they were in there tbh
Is not even good for people who like base building and resource management, it would be more comparable to a more shallow house flipper with worse building mechanics bc the settlers barely do anything to make them unique (besides some key npcs that dont really add that much) and are just kinda there, while the building might be a worse fornite in terms of weirdly hard to make anything that isnt limited to foundations, but maybe with a bit more detail in interiors i must say
Glad to hear you're enjoying New Vegas! Fallout 4 was a very different game in terms of what they were offering. Like you said, it's fine, but it's so overused in Fallout 4 that it gets pretty mundane. We all gave Sanctuary a go, we may have tried to do up 4-5 nice locations but no-one is going to build the whole wasteland. If you love building then Fallout 4 would be the best game, but if you prefer role playing or story, the others will probably be a better fit. Different games for different tastes.
Videos like this make it so obvious that most of the new players weren’t even born when fallout 3 & new Vegas came out. There’s a simple reason it divides the player base, expectations. After all the years of delay and drip fed info, after Bethesda had their golden age, it seemed natural that the next installment would be leagues better than the previous. Well upon release of the very first trailer all of us knew, Bethesda has completely dropped the ball. The new art style works, but the story elements and treatment from 2009 leaks ACTUALLY being the game was such a huge let down.
Kids today will literally never know what it’s like to hope and wonder, all the teasing they did about “The Commonwealth” being so dark and scary was DASHED when we played Fallout 4 Bubblegum Sunshine. Really spent time thinking about this, New Vegas/3 are the old gaurd, the OG Bethesda that really cared about meaningful story and player interaction rather than microtransactions and DLC. The new games are HOLLOW shadows of their previous iterations and Todd Howard did it to spite me personally.
Yes I feel like especially when you look at 4, 76 and Starfield, the writing is getting worse drastically. So much more basic and doesn’t leave any emotional memories. Very mundane and safe.
Came in the fallout verse with FO4….according to steam I’ve got close to a thousand hours in it at this point (mostly due to mods). I poked at NV a bit quite some time back and wasn’t impressed, recently gave it another attempt at an honest play thru….and it’s stellar. I’ve also tried 1 and 2 but just can’t get into them, compared to modern games they just feel clunky.
Evactly the same for me with the same outcome.
I reckon it's once you get to New Vegas and the town outside Freeside. At that moment you start to see how good it is. But up to that point, you've got to be committed to it. A lot of games are the same, where they start slow and you have to reach a certain moment in order to really see its potential. That moment is pivotal. Some games have lost me in that moment.
@@AVVGaming1 actually on my first play thru got about 75% of the way thru the game using yes man....but blew thru the main quest line and didn't bother exploring or doing any of the side stuff.....just lost interest in it.
@@jasongalloway4645 have you done Vault 22 yet?
With regards to essential NPCs, I heard you can kill the Main Faction leaders in Fallout 4 when you first meet them, with the only exception being Preston and the Minute Men. Is that not true?
I will give it a try tonight and see! You are probably right but I remember I few invincible characters. Of course Preston is invincible lol the one person who would have been killed the most lol
You can kill Shaun, Maxson, and Desdamona as soon as you meet them.
It’s really as simple as roleplay, it’s hard to really make a be a certain character in fallout 4 they all end up feeling them same because they are, no matter who you make it’s always going to be either Nate or Nora, that’s not the case with 3 and NV
Yes I’m going to do a specific video about this and how fallout maybe should give us a different starting point on the maps by choice. As opposed to being locked in to a specific character starting story. I know why they do it but it’d be nice to Roleplay a bit more! Thanks for your comment!
Kellogg is so cool and rational, its always bothered me that all options end with a fight to the death.
Yes and they tell you his whole back story as well so you can sympathise with him. He wasn’t original evil, he was turned that way through pain. So to end having to kill him and yell at him regardless of your choice is a big let down. What’s the point in knowing the backstory then?
U completely fail to grasp de point. Fallout 4 kills the RPG, 70% of the quests are radiant quests with the quest item on a neatly placed chest on the end of a dungeon with no story and a convenient backdoor for u to leave, it's just a shooter looter no more a rpg, Fallout 4 was no history and its shallow. About the setting u fail to understand it Bethesda like the post apocalyptic ppl living in trash thing that's why Fallout 3 and 4 look like they are frozen in time 200+ years after the bombs dropped. Fallout 2 and NV are post post apocalyptic they are about rebuilding, and the politics and conflicts of the new world, they are rich in lore, world building. In fallout NV every location is well thought out makes sense. In fallout 4 the locations are like they are just frozen waiting for u to pass there a raider camp beside a gohul place and a super mutants camp leaving 5 ft from each other for no reason just there to be shot at, there's no world building, is just randomly placed.
Those are all great points! I think I’m going to have to do another video explaining more on the points you said. There’s a lot to cover but the lack of RPG elements should have been first point I think, on reflection
I’m gonna throw my old man views on this.
As somebody who played Fallout 1 back in 2003 on my mum’s crappy old pc when I was like 13 or something, I was immediately drawn into the game and was hooked.
I personally think you ALL should go and play it.
I then rushed to my mates hose so he could burn me a copy of Fallout 2 yes I just admitted that. And I loved that too.
Fallout 3 released and I was very skeptical of how it would play and feel but when i came out that vault I was pleasantly surprised.
It was bloody horrible and everything wanted to kill me, good job.
I still have nightmares about those metro trains tunnels.
I feel that 3 gave the best atmosphere (of the 3d games). Yet it was missing a certain sprinkle of pure Fallout magic. But it’s a very commendable entry by Bethesda.
Then Vegas came out….
The magic was back and as all know many of original staff worked on it.
Yes it’s brown and quite empty really but it’s the interactions and fine crafted stories and humour that F3 didn’t have.
Fallout 4…I hate to love this game.
It’s beautiful…too beautiful.
The story is pretty shit by Fallout standards but I admire what it does do right.
There’s a lot of bloaty “No real consequence” to it.
Yes the shooting etc is better but it made me feel like I was the king of the wasteland when that’s not the essence of Fallout.
I’m not touching 76 with a stick…sorry.
Shame because it’s a beautiful looking game.
Conclusion: Play Fallout one followed by F3 and then Vegas. IF those games could somehow be merged THAT would be the best Fallout game. Fact
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Yes I’m replying to my own comment.
Hopefully, no matter which one you play I’m happy people are still playing and discovering this horrible brutal franchise masterpiece and that it allows you to perhaps explore the other games you have not played.
That’s all children 😊
Hahaha what an awesome comment! Loved reading that! You’re clearly passionate and experienced after playing them all. I’ve just done a video on new vegas and uploaded a few hours ago discussing what you said. All the games are awesome but in completely different ways. I agree with your assessment on every game btw. I have played 76 and it’s probably exactly what you think it is. It’s not really a fallout game in my opinion.
One other issue with the faction system is that the Minutemen are the "Yes Man route" of this game. The faction that will stick to you no matter what. This doesn't make sense. Yes Man works because they are an amoral character that will go with whatever you do. The Minutemen are a faction with their own ideology and objectives, they shouldn't condone when you take actions that hurt the development of the Commonwealth, specially when you hurt innocent people. Also you become their general but have no sort of power at all, Preston makes all the decisions.
I think they would work better as a small faction that you can convince to work with any of the other three if you have good karma.
They have no real reason to oppose the Railroad or the Brotherhood, and they are too small and weak to pose a believable threat to the Institute.
I think the neutral ending should have been with a more neutral faction that answers directly to you, or maybe you just get all the other factions to destroy each other and you become king of the ashes.
I agree 100% with everything you have stated in this comment. I didn’t feel like I earned the title of general either; New Vegas had the best decision system in the main quest. Great comment!
You can play fo4 without any settlements.
If you want do do dumb, mean things, play the game a few times and throw it away, fo3 and nv are probably best for you.
Fair comment
Bethesda doesn't understand fallout, they only understand the surface level stuff like power armor and super mutants.
They go for the open world and they do okay with that. They really struggle with the RPG aspects and the writing. It’s so basic level.
I've been playing since Fallout 3, played them all. Yes EVEN 76. I can't really say which ONE is the best.( New Vegas) I mean they ALL have their FUN. MANY an hour and NO regrets playing them. I LOVE 4, the...MAP. It's a fun...playground but the...story and the CHOICES on handling situations doesn't come CLOSE to New Vegas, baaabbyy. Thank ya, Thankyaverymuch.
Have you played Brotherhood of Steel??
I was going to make that exact joke in the video! "I'm not here to tell you which one is the best (NEW VEGAS)" lol. They're all good games in their own right, the best thing would be if they took all of them and took the best part from each. Probably a dream, but that would be awesome!
why is the video only viewable in 480p? is this an issue on my end?
No I think it’s my end. I’m new to RUclips and a few people have said the same thing. I’m going to get it fixed. Thank you for letting me know and sorry about the quality.
Finished New Vegas like 4 times but...
I've replayed recently Fallout 4 (second time) and Fallout 3 (second time, but first time in over 10 years) - and I gotta say that I've forgotten how many original quests and locations were in Fallout 3, how much variety in small local societies - stuff like Megaton, Ghoul City, small village on a bridge, the subway filled with bandits, vampires wannabe, ghouls, then a random hotel in the middle of nowhere, a small house inhabited by some paranoid person, Brotherhood outcasts, Rivet City, slaves running away etc. Walking around always finished in discovering something fresh. And it's so much darker in its nature.
I've found Fallout 4 just so boring the second time, I can't remember really any interesting quest from it - just chores, building bases, cleaning locations over and over. I do enjoy Fallout 76 tho, and I prefer it to F4.
While we praise New Vegas rightfully so, I really encourage people to relive Fallout 3, it's so much better than I've remembered!
And yeah F4 gameplay/shooting feels better but tbh not that much better for me to prefer it over 3 overall. I probably won't revisit F4 again (but can't wait for Fallout: London!)
I Agree with both of your comments! Fallout 3's side quests were unbelievable. Like, the stories they told were very deep and a little twisted. Like psychologically it impacted you. Fallout 4, one of the things I notice is that I have so many places to go/can enter, but I get overwhelmed by it all. A lot of it is just something to do. Fallout 3 I felt like every location gave those type of rewards you're referring to. Great comment! 3 is underrated for sure.
Fallout 3 is my favorite. I lost count how many times I played it.
@@blockmasterscott it keeps you hooked! It was a really good blend at the time and very replayable
0:38 Am I missing something here? What side quests? I remember actively running around the entire map looking for side quests. It was literally just go to random place, shoot the enemies, loot and repeat.
Yes I know what you mean! They were more about quantity rather than quality in the game, and I think that’s another big reason some may prefer the quests in the older games. Another settlement needs your help…
Fallout 4 was "dumbed down" to appeal to a larger audience because there are far more "casual" game players than there are "hard core" gamers. And it worked. It's still working. Personally I prefer 4 because of the massively superior graphics, combat, and gunplay. And the mods. Can't get those for 3 and NV on console, which is what the majority of people play on.
Yes, having access to the mods gives the game a longer (if not infinite) lifespan. Without those options a game will only age over time. 4 is still a great game, they all are. I would love for them to remaster Fallout 3 and NV, those games really deserve it, specifically Fallout NV. If not, we will get a new Fallout 5 one day and if they can keep the same attributes that made Fallout 4 so successful, then sprinkle in a little bit more of the RPG elements from previous entries...looking at a perfect game.
@@AVVGaming1 I would buy and play remasters of both of those games.
@@TheJudgementofDog I reckon they should do it. People would buy them and new fans deserve to experience those games
Without having to struggle with the graphical limitations
If I really liked someone I'd suggest New Vegas, If liked them a little I'd suggest Fallout 3, if I hated them I'd suggest Fallout 4. Fallout Bore is an atrocious game.
As has been pointed out that with every fallout game we got less role playing and more mindless shooter, it's actually with every Bethesda game. The more influence Maiq the Liar (AKA Todd Howard) has on a game the worse it gets. In Fallout Bore we not only get a mindless shootemup we also get cursed with Sim-Shanty. WTF has gerry_building Shanty towns have to do with a role-paying adventure game? Having seen how thing had gone with Bethesda I held off on buying F4 until I could buy it on GOG for $10, to find out I'd seriously over paid.
I’m doing a video next in Bethesda and their gradual fall in terms of what they put out. They are moving backwards over time and it’s tough to see
The problem with starting with Fallout 4 is it can make playing new Vegas and especially fallout 3 very unfun as far as fight in game goes. I personally suggest you play in order 3,new Vegas, then fallout 4 assuming you want to get the most fun out of each game.
I think this would be the ideal path and order to take. My only concern is that new fans may try 3/NV, not commit to it because how dated it looks and then give up entirely. I reckon the right order is what you've suggested, it's just whether people would commit to it.
one could also say that having played New Vegas, one would have the experience of a much better written game to compare FO4 to and in so doing making the game feel shallower when you get to it
Still sad how far the series went away from the core experience from Fallout 1+2 still by far the best two Games of the series.
@@henriklarssen1331I actually recommend people start here. If you haven't played 1 and 2, you have no idea what the bar is.
@@Thagomizerthen again, some people don’t want to play 25+ year old games that take hours just to learn the mechanics of
interesting video _!_
any idea why 720p and higher isn't available?
Yes! If you check all the videos I’ve done since this one I figured it out! lol. I am new to RUclips (2 months) and I was producing the videos on low resolution. After the success of this video I received a lot of feedback, looked into it and figured it out! Sorry about the quality in this one but I’ve made the adjustments to keep the quality higher going forward!
And thank you for the kind words about the video too :)
@@AVVGaming1 I see _!_
I don't mind, most of the times 720p is my choice but sometimes it "defaults" to 480p because I'm doing something else and have these videos in the background
@@AVVGaming1 👍👍
@@villings glad you enjoyed the video! If you ever have any game/concepts you want covered let me know!
It is a looter shooter theme park. And it turned Fallout completly into the goofy cartoon area.
No real RPGs elements, the shooting is mediocre at best and the looting is bad.
It fails in all 3 Elements.
Fallout 3 is bad, but it is still an RPG, a light one.
Yes its strange because the shooting was obviously worse in Fallout 3 and NV, but it wasn't compared to other shooters as they had other elements that they could specialize in. When they took out those RPG elements, they then got compared to other shooters, which it would end up losing too.
I get why FO3 is criticised (I have criticisms of my own) but this attitude of if something isn't 10/10 across the board, it's bad is not really useful or accurate. FO3 is a good game with some flaws (as well as some things it does excellently).
I feel like its positives far out weigh any negatives. It just set a great tone.
If you remember the faces that were placed on the sides of buildings in fallout 1 and 2, you know how different the world of fallout was in the first 2 games compared to four. Glad these are back in the new expeditions in 76 though.
I love all the fallout games i just prefer the themes and story of NV, i see new vegas as a sequel to 1&2 while 3 is a new starting point for new fans a clean slate being on the east Coast which as seen in F3 is not as developed as the west coast and F4 is a direct sequel to 3.
Falout NV is my personal favourite and even today I am still playing it. The Mojave just keeps me hooked and I don’t know why. I feel like I’m in a real world.
@@AVVGaming1 it feels more alive that F3 even F4, the east coast is so behind the west coast civilizations which is interesting but i would love to see F2 locations like reno in the F4 engine or maybe older westcoast factions invading newer east coast ones
Yes, more long form content to listen to while working, working out, falling asleep...
I am definitely committed to doing long form content! Thank your feedback and hope to bring more videos soon.
Great Video! But why only 480p ?
Thank you so much! It was my mistake, I’m new and when I produced the video I selected it to export as 480p. I’ve since released a new video in HQ. This was a lesson for me and videos from now on will be better quality.
I see your point about player freedom but Fallout 3 isn’t the best counter example to Fallout 4. There are still a huge amount of „essential“ NPCs in that game you can’t kill. Even the major exceptions like Three-Dog (which you mention) and Moriarty don’t really change the trajectory of the main story if you kill them. Nuking Megaton is the only way to be truly lost in the main story if you didn’t get information beforehand, but it’s not like it destroys or even significantly diverts away from the main plot if you can pick the trail back up again somewhere else. This is why I like New Vegas the best out of the three; it feels like my choices matter so much more and I get to take part in crafting the plot I would want for my character.
Yes you're 100% right. I feel like maybe a honed it too much on Fallout 3 in this video. But I really wanted to do a Fallout New Vegas video separately and give it the love it deserves. Sort of explain why it's so special. Thank you for the feedback though :)
What's the mod for the heavy weapon you've got in the thumbnail?
I’m sorry but I’m not sure :(
@@AVVGaming1 That's a shame. Did you get the thumbnail from somewhere else? Or if you screeenshotted it, can you give me a mod list?
@@bajscast yeah I’ll figure out where I took the guy from and get a link to you
@@AVVGaming1 Thank you!
@@AVVGaming1 Yo! Did you figure this out?
fallout 1 and 2. because i played it back in the day
Around 15:00...you can get to 100 in every stat in new vegas...but the overall point of the specialization in skills mattering in dialogue more, and the options being more clear still stands.
one thing i think fallout 4 really dropped the ball on was factions like pretty much whichever you join the others have to die. i think one of my most disappointing moments was when i did my first playthrough. so i had been working closely with the brotherhood and railroad so i grew to like the railroad but the brotherhood only option i had was to kill the railroad i was really hoping for something like being able to warn the railroad and give them the option to run or make a peace treaty between the 2 i reloaded saves trying different speech options hoping there was one another option nope only one option.
Yes, it sorted of pushed you into a corner you didn’t want to go into. A lot of people I think end up just stopping at a certain part in the story so that way they don’t lose factions etc. there should have definitely been more options you’re correct!
Fallout 4 is not a bad game, however it is the reason there will be no more good installments to the fallout franchise ever again. I would rather it be a bad game.
I know what you mean, they dropped a lot of RPG elements and down graded their writing and because it was so successful, they will continue to go into that direction unfortunately
It's a great game, but a terrible Fallout, simple as.
Completely different for sure!
Nope. You could as well argue that Fallout 2 and New Vegas are not real Fallout games on the basis that they are "different" from Fallout 1. Fallout is not what you want it to be. Fallout is Fallout. Fallout 4 captures the feel and aesthetic of og Fallout and respects the lore. Tim Cain - the literal creator of Fallout sees ot as Fallout. But appearantly random FNV fanbois better know what Fallout truely is than the its literal creator...
this comment doesn’t make a lot of sense
@funki4896 I didn't say they weren't "real" Fallouts, using the older games as a metric, which is indeed viable, Fallout 4 doesn't hold up. It would've done much better as a spinoff, or better yet, a totally different game. Titles carry a lot of weight, throwing a title on something means that it's now carrying that weight, and it will inevitably always be compared to it's priors, one way or another. It wasn't a hard sentence to understand, or comprehend in the slightest.
@@Eight-BitesBro is summoning this dialogue from deep within his ass 💀
Just wanted to point out for any new fans to the series, @23:39 it's mentioned that Fallout 4 leans into settlement building heavily and that it's a huge part of the game. This is straight up untrue. I can only think of three little times where that mode even comes into play. In the beginning, the player is encouraged to do some little tasks to help a group of characters (whole process takes about the time of an average pop song), and even then, not forced. If the player joins the Minutemen, you will have to use the mode to point at one pile of rubble and push one button. Then near the end, the player will have to use the mode to build a story-related device (takes about 30 seconds maybe). The whole concept of settlement building is optional at the very least and was tossed in by Bethesda via one guy's idea late into development. Those that are into it get to see their creativity pay off. Those that aren't don't have to waste their time with it.
Yes you’re spot on! Thanks for mentioning it and it’s correct, it’s there but not mandatory for the most part. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to fans new to the series. My video may have been a bit harsh at points and didn’t go into enough detail at points. Settlement building is optional.
@@AVVGaming1 For sure man! Looking forward to more of your vids
Isn’t it hilariously ironic that in a game where the theme is “what makes a human being?” everyone, literally EVERYONE, is completely unchanging and robotic. I can’t think of a single character who goes through a meaningful character arc with noticeable change in character and personality. A game ABOUT humanity is notable for its lack of believable human characters.
Yes, there really isn't any character Arcs throughout. I was going to do a video on this actually, and how writing a morally grey character is the most interesting. A lot of characters written in Bethesda's games are like "cool hip sassy person" and that's it. It's like overly simplified with no room for that person to change or have another side. They are what they are.
The only meaningful arc is hidden unless you do a Brotherhood playthrough. Danse is revealed to be a synth, you can have a pretty solid conversation with him and he's so steadfast in his beliefs he still thinks you should kill him, at least initially...
@@uberboomer8670 wow that’s actually a real surprise! I did not know that! Thank you for sharing, that’s actually pretty clever writing in that one. Of course it’s hidden behind specific choices lol
@AVVGaming1 yeah I was pleasantly surprised but also a little annoyed that it took until the end of my 3rd different playthrough to find a modicum of depth. And yet I still genuinely love the game
Nothing wrong with loving the game. It’s still a great game, it’s just that starfield wasn’t a shock after fallout 4. It’s just about wanting to tell Bethesda, look we love RPG elements, we love the customised character options, we really don’t like radiant quests or procedural generated worlds. Basically just to guide them to making world class titles like they have done before.
People don't argue as much about 1/2 being the best because the people old enough to think of those as the best games don't waste as much time debating the topic.
Yes those that tend to love the first original games seem to be a lot more calm individuals in the comments sections and sort of like the scholars of the group lol. They have seen it all and don’t debate because they know
Its not like most of the fans started with the first two games, so no one really knows what it means to be a "real fan" anyway.
Also, dont become one of those channels that say "i dont think youtube will let me say that, so ill just play nice and let the algorithm do its job" crap. Dont be a tool. Just say whatever you want, because im going to use ad-block and shadow view anyway.
Thank you! I am brand new to RUclips having only put out my first video 6 weeks ago so I generally don't know the rules lol. Just regarding swearing. I'm not bothered about the algorithm, I just don't want to make a video and it get taken down for one word lol Thank you for your feedback, I promise I won't become one of those channels!
Yeah but the thing is FO4 kinda shits on the lore of older games and even contradicts itself multiple times it's just terrible
yea.. I started with FNV and im playing Fallouts 1 , 2, and Tactics.. SO whats your point Carkeys????
I’ve not played Fallout 4…it seems like an ‘beginner’ game for the Fallout franchise for people who aren’t ready for the bleak insanity of the wasteland of Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Fallout 3 is still my favourite.
Fallout 4's Survival Mode is as dangerous and difficult as it gets in the franchise. And places like the Glowing are unseen in Fallout 3 or New Vegas...
the “bleak insanity” of the 2 easiest games in the series lol, base fallout 4 is quite a but harder than base 3 n NV and the survival mode is much harder than anything from other modern fallout
@@thewinger337what are you smoking? Fallout 4 is baby easy mode
@@funki4896 I was mainly referring to the fact you can’t off anyone important 😅
@@thewinger337 ‘bleak insanity’ is more of an aesthetic term. Fallout 3 looks like a barren wasteland and everyone and everything is out to get you. Cities decimated. It’s got that bleak vibe. And if none of your decisions make a difference to how you play the game it’s not as fun 🤷🏻♀️
I disagree on the part that Fallout 4 looks objectively better. That's entirely subjective other than the obvious higher polygon count and fleshed out human models compared to older gambreyo fallouts. The art style in Fallout 4 has been rebooted in to this wacky 1950s cartoony look with bright colors. It almost makes me feel like I'm walking through a theme park and not a desolate wasteland, It completely kills the vibe. This problem is even more exagerated in Fallout 76 with Apalachia's terrain. I hate this art direction and it strays away from the more mature and dark vibe I get from F3/NV. And no I'm not blinded by nostalgia since I played fallout 1 after every latest entry and it perfectly captures the desolate aesthetics that I love about post apocalyptic America in this franchise so
Exactly what I mean about the ambience. It was very colourful and positive environment with wacky characters. It seemed extremely different to what other Fallout games were like. The quests didn't feel deep or dark, like I don't really remember them. Even the quest where you have to track down a serial killer, when you meet him he's acting crazy and has these silly goggles on. It takes away the seriousness of it and breaks immersion.
I've said this before and i'll say it again. Fallout 4 made the apocalpyse look appealing to live in. You have friends, allies, lovers, a child? robot servants, power, settlements to make your own home and all the protection and weaponry you need so you're never in danger. If I HAD to live in a nuclear destroyed world, i'd be glad it's Fo4...if you're the main protagonist. Other people kinda got it bad but hey, that's not me
The blue sky and pretty colours kind of made it too cheerful in my opinion. It’s like you get to sanctuary and it’s destroyed, but you can in 10 minutes change it into a thriving safe place lol. Totally different from other entries.
@@AVVGaming1I mean the desert climate of Fallout 1 and 2 did a good job on their own of creating an environment that was dark. It isn’t exactly a desert on the East Coast, especially the area around Washington D.C. with a lot of marshes. I feel as if maybe Orange tones could work for making the game dark, partially because Mad Max Fury Road did that.
@@KaosNova2 I know I loved the fallout NV aesthetics even though that had a blue sky too. Just looked bleak. I guess I like it to look bleak lol barren even
The growing Sea is the bleakest I've seen in Fallout.
This video is laughably ignorant and it's very obvious fall out new vegas wasn't understood.
Sorry new at RUclips! I didn’t cover as much as I may have wanted to but it’s just my 10th video. Sorry if it didn’t meet expectations but thank you for taking the time to give feedback.
@@AVVGaming1don't sweat it, this guy can't even formulate an argument as to what he has a problem with. He's a troll
@@conradpabis9032 thank you mate! That’s means a lot :)
@@AVVGaming1 of course! Keep up the good work
@@conradpabis9032 thank you!
I feel you're being very dishonest and unfair in when talking about fallout 4. I'll edit this comment and correct myself if needed but so far at 25:15 you've heavily implied fallout 4s quest are just radiant in nature. the minutemen have a storyline, the railroad have a storyline, the brotherhood, and the institute too and each have a point of no return in which you cannot further the other factions storylines. I'm saying this in good nature. I want you to do well with youtube, honestly but you're dishonestly misrepresenting fallout 4 entirely. New vegas is better, its not even close but 4 is much better than 3
Thanks for your comment, I’m new at RUclips and after listening back to the video I feel that it definitely came across as a bit harsh on fallout 4. I think I summed up at the end that they’re all good but prior to that point it came across as a bit one sided to the others. It’s something I am aware of and will work it in the future to be more neutral
I would recommend fallout 3. Not because it’s a “better game” than fallout 4, but narrative reasons and because it’s the best introduction. It has most of the core elements of a fallout game that serves as a nice intro to the world (vault life, brotherhood, enclave, mercenaries, raiders, super mutants, slavers, etc.) and has an enjoyably simple story to help with that intro. New Vegas would be next as the better and more complicated story now that one knows the basics and introduces people to the elements exclusive to fallout 1 and 2, games they aren’t likely to play.
The introduction for fallout 3 was really good. Absolutely gave you so much backstory and concept in such a short amount of time. It really is the best introduction for someone who knows nothing about fallout. It’s just whether someone new can go back to those old graphics, or whether they need to play a bit of 4, learn to love the series and then that gives them the push to stick with the games before it.
"In new vegas I killed all the npcs!"
"what did you do then?"
"Um... restarted the game".
"Fun".
I think it’s more the freedom aspect. Not necessarily to do that, but the fact you can if that makes sense?
It's the fact that every character can be killed which made the game feel more realistic. I can go up to Benny and kill him without it affecting the rest of the game, and there were different ways to kill him too. I can kill Caesar, President Kimball, and/or Mr. House, and still continue the game. You can work with the boomers to ally with them or kill them all to finish the game. You had more choices to roleplay the story that you wanted.
Where as in Fallout you had less choices to make, and everything was pretty much a different version of kill everything. You spend hours building good repour with every faction, only to have to destroy most of them. None of the endings are shaped based on the decisions you made to get there. Fallout 4 focuses more on settlement building than actually having a decent story.
@@toxicmale2264 Being able to make choices that just ruin gameplay, like killing quest givers, doesn't seem like a feature to me, it seems like a bug. I don't like that the traveling vendors can eventually die in FO4. It's one of the things I really disliked in FO3, at some point the whole world is dead. Not fun.
@@belmiris1371 The wasteland is not supposed to feel "safe". It is supposed to feel dangerous. Which is captured perfectly when everybody can be killed. While I am not advocating for killing everyone, it is the fact that you can that add to the dangerous feel.
@@toxicmale2264 Dead NPCs = boring.
In full disclosure, I'm very biased towards New Vegas. But in my opinion Fallout 4 and Skyrim too for that matter just feel so soulless to me. Mindless combat along a path that is extremely linear even though it masquerades as being so open. I love the entire series; both Fallout and ES, I just wish Bethesda would stop trying to appeal to everyone and try to appeal to their core fanbase.
The core fanbase is now the mindless people with no interest in a true RPG. The dialogue options are designed to not matter. It's for the people who just want to fudge around and shoot stuff before turning off the game so they can rapid skip all the meaningless dialogue options and continue on their day. Sad.
I think it’s the money that’s the problem. I prefer new vegas and always will but fallout 4 sold more. It happens all games now; they go for the money which tends to be what you’re saying. Easier to understand stuff. Doesn’t mean they have to throw it away completely though. What happened to innovation and trying something different? Not sure why games are becoming more basic.
@@AVVGaming1 It's like you say: It's about the money. From a publisher's perspective, the risk-reward ratio is just not there for new ideas. I think that's just where we are right now. I have hope that things will get better, but for now we endure. Having gaming be so accepted in the mainstream now is a double-edged blade. And it's also not only a problem for the games industry to be fair; it's a problem in nearly all media.
A lot of the good quests in Skyrim compete with the worst quests in Oblivion. The writing has gone downhill in both Skyrim and Fallout 4. The graphics and gameplay were clearly more important than the story the games used to tell. It felt like most of Fallout 4 was just settlement building. It should have been a DLC. Not so heavily focused as the whole purpose of the minutemen. Wasted potential on said faction. Who am I kidding, all of the factions were wasted potential. To the point where the three main factions are irredeemable in the eyes of each other. No compromise. Just kill everything. In New Vegas, you actions affected the faction you picked in the end. It made the whole game feel like your efforts mattered.
Fallout 4 doesn't even present a good future for any of the factions. What happens to the commonwealth after you beat the game? At least Fallout 3 and NV gave you vision of what future you helped create.
24:24 all valid points. I think fallout 4 would have had a better settlement experience if they trimmed it down to 15-20 prominent settlements with their own stories kinda like bunker hill. Back when i played fallout 3 i remember wishing the game had a way to reflect my deeds physically in the world by making settlements like megaton actually look better and function better because i helped them. In a future game if they keep the system they should have some preset progressions to developing the settlements with whatever faction you want to run the territory with the option for you to totally personalize it the way you can in 4. This way you have something meaningful for people who dont care for building as well as people who do and the system is a bit more thoughtfully integrated. I really did not like the settlements in 4 until i played the game on survival mode and realized how vital the system could be when resource management and local safety became more of a consideration. And there were hints of this novelty with the brotherhood taxing settlements for resources or nuka world allowing you to convert them to raider settlements but ultimately these ideas were not baked in or elaborated on enough to make them feel substantial because as you said, your impact on the world is kept mostly on the surface and the response to your deeds and reputation are inconsistent at best. The game offers less narrative choice but in the long run it hasnt been too great a detriment personally since it’s easier to accept limitations than it is to accept many choices that never quite give you the outcome you want no matter how much you try because of moral ambiguity.
I 100% agree with everything you have said there. I haven’t played survival mode and so many people have recommended that I try it so I’ll definitely be seeing how it impacts the play through. I think when they dropped in settlement building it was a last minute edition so they didn’t really add much to it and just were sort of there. The Nuka
cola one was better but again not perfect. Basically if they implemented everything you have said in this message then I would enjoy it a lot more! Awesome comment!
@@AVVGaming1 yeah survival mode is the only way i care to play f4. Its pretty hard at first but it highlights a need for strategic engagement with niche character builds and planning your expeditions in to the world by choosing what to cary, what to stash, what to buy, where to rest, ect. You can infuse your own head cannon in to it but i find the game much more enjoyable this way that makes it an entry with strengths uniquely worthy of praise. But i still want the best of all the worlds so i really want to see player choice in the narrative to come back in a more intelligent way for the future and thats were the remake/ remasters have a golden opportunity to refine these systems and get more fan feedback before the next main entry.
Fallout 4 being more colorful and the vibe more hopeful as you help rebuild with the Minutemen is probably why I like it so much. I just like helping people.
And that’s an awesome quality to have! The video is trying to say one is better than the other. They’re all great in their own ways and meet different peoples wants.
Fallout 4 is a masterpiece that went over people's heads. If you dont like Fallout 4, you are not a Fallout fan, plain and simple.
I do like fallout 4! Playing it right now. Just explaining from an angle why someone why say they prefer the older game despite on the surface fallout 4 being miles ahead. It’s all opinion based but I do love it!
Finished the game 8 years ago, and started again on survival with mods… what a time!! Also started new Vegas for the first time it’s also really fun
That's awesome! Just the other day I had 3, NV and 4 all on the go flicking back and forth through them lol. What a time indeed!
nearly all fallout fans will say "start with fallout 3" going backwards with these games is not a great idea in terms of gameplay, QoL stuff and all of that. its how most of us started.
I would personally say to play 3, then NV and then 4. But in reality I have had to say 4 first just because people new to the series tend to play a couple of mins of three and NV and give up because of the graphics from those times. It’s too big a drop. At least if they play and like 4 it gives them a drive to push through with the older titles.
@AVVGaming1 not only the graphic, but stability issues as well. I know when I started NV on pc recently (ive played it before on console), it just crashed all the time. had to learn how to mod just soo I can play.
@@christopherson93 was it really that bad? Such a shame because it really is an amazing game. It really needs a remaster so people can appreciate it.
The quality was good enough right off the bat that I was surprised when you said you were a new channel. Subbed tho!
Thank you so much for the kind words! I am new but practicing daily and really enjoying it. Thank you for subbing too! I hope with each video to make them a little better each time, thank you for the support!
I think you make a great point. They are all great games, just for different reasons. In my opinion, the perfect Fallout game would have Fallout 3's exploration, New Vegas's world building, and Fallout 4's combat.
I was surprised to learn this is a new channel - This was a very well made video. You obviously take a lot of pride in your work. I look forward to seeing more of your content in the future.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I am a new channel but learning every day to grow and improve. It's funny because right after I put the video up, I realized the perfect ending line for the video would have been to suggest that if the three combines were to be combined it would be the perfect game! That's what Bethesda should do! Take the best of all three and make the perfect blend! One can dream lol
I think the FO4 settlement building is the best part, and looking at Nexus, it and the companion system are very popular.
Are they well implemented? Nope, but looking at the mods, they could have been, and I honestly think settlement building (with an option to make the new government) should have been a dlc in its own right. Sim settlements 2 is pretty much just that.
Initially I was looking at each main game. I remember I was having a hard time deciding which ones to play. I went with fallout 4 because:
1. Fallout 3 and New Vegas graphics looks dated.
2. Fallout 4's gameplay and world designed look hella fun.
3. Fallout 4 seemed to be the game with the most mainstream popularity.
4. I found the gameplay footage far more interesting then the other games and love the building system I was seeing.
5. I was aware people believed the dialogue system was limited, but for a new player like me it seemed more open ended then what I am familiar with. And I don't mind there being a voiced protagonist.
6. The game looked pretty expansive with so much to love.
Its still hard for me to consider playing New vegas and Fallout 3 cause of stuff like this.
And that is absolutely perfectly fine! Fallout 3 and NV are amazing games but at this point they are a little bit dated now at this point. For people who are new to the series, it may be too much to ask them to play 3 and NV because of their age and dated graphics/gameplay. For example, my partner had never played a Fallout game before. Tried NV and 3 and didn't like them (couldn't get over the bad graphics). Finally, I suggested to try 4 and now they love it! As a result, now they're open to playing other games like New Vegas and Fallout 3 because they know the potential of how good they can be because of what they experienced in Fallout 4! They're all great games and if someone is going to commit to NV or 3, they have to know it's going to be worth their time. Once you've enjoyed Fallout 4 it may open the doors to try the others.
@@AVVGaming1 Yea. I definitely understand that. Its very possible I would have tried them if he graphics were updated. However I do intend on playing Fallout 3 and New Vegas someday. If not just to learn about the lore. There is a lot of good points in this video.
Thank you! Take your time and wait for the right moment when you are in the mood for it. Don’t force yourself through the motions. A day will come when you’re just in the mood to commit to one of them and it’ll be a good time!
Imagine limiting to yourself purely based on what's popular at the time.
Lmao. Bethesda's target audience at work.
@@samithonjames370 I think your forgetting the fact that Fallout 3 and New Vegas are also popular. I picked Fallout 4 due to a combination of factors that can be summed up as 1. Better graphics. 2. More interesting looking gameplay and systems 3. A lot of content to explore. 4. Interesting themes and alot of stuff that caught my attention as exciting when looking at gameplay footage. The popularity of the game was just a sign that I was making the right choice.
Bro what gun is that on the thumbnail
I believe it's a Mini-Gun, just a special version of it.
@@AVVGaming1
Oh so you don’t know
Haha yes that is the correct answer I should have given lol I’m not sure to be honest but it looks cool
Fallout 4 is the Super Paper Mario of the franchise
Haha that's a good comparison!
FO 1,2 and NV are by far the three best games of the franchise. The writting and rpg elements are superior to FO 3 and 4, but I still enjoy them.
Each game has its own qualities and its nice that we are debating about games that are all so great. I absolutely love them all but New Vegas specifically. Nice to receive a message from El Phenomenon btw!
Fallout 4 is pretty but shallow. It's reminds me of The Outer Worlds which has all the same issues. So weird that Obsidian didn't make it more like New Vegas which is amazing. And the Fallout game I enjoy most. I do a solid Fallout 3 and New Vegas back to back playthrough every 4 months but only do Fallout 4 every couple of years.
New Vegas really was just special. Just one of those moments where everything came together. In reality, it shouldn’t have been possible with the time frames, but it happened and thank goodness for that!
Reasons for prefer Fallout 3: Nostalgia
Reasons for prefer New Vegas: "Cause everybody says so!"
Resons for hating Fallout 4: Its cool to hate post-Skyrim Bethesda
BTW: I played ALL Fallouts (yes, also Fallout 1 & 2) to death and Fallout 4 is BY FAR my favorite Fallout Game.
To AVV Gaming: You should play Fallout 4 only on Survival.
Thanks for the tip about survival, a lot of people have said the same thing. That was a very funny comment too about reasons to play the others lol. I think every Fallout game is fantastic, and I still love and play fallout 4. I was just giving some reasons some may prefer the others instead. I will be trying it on survival tonight.
“The quests are so different” *chooses the radiant quests as the example for Fallout 4*
Yes maybe not the best example! I’ll take note of that feedback and make sure to consider it in future videos. I honestly like fallout 4 a lot and was just explaining why someone may prefer the older games. I think, upon reflection, maybe the video comes across about harsh on fallout 4. Thanks for your comment.
@@AVVGaming1 It is not the best example, but one new players are most likely to encounter first, as FO4 sets you naturally to head to Concord and meet the Minutemen in the first hour of gameplay. While it's not a bad idea to talk about what effectively pads out the quests of FO4, I could see why you chose to pick them as most other quests from the top of my head are usually very linear in some capacity compared to FO3 or NV.
So in retrospect; Maybe looked at picking something that's equally as deep into FO4 as your listed example, probably the one quest with the ghoul child in a fridge as an example, but overall I see why the meme-man himself would have been an obvious choice.
you should have HD resolution or 4k
Yes for my next video. I honestly thought that RUclips had to convert it into SD. I’m a new channel and learning each day.
"Fallout 4 is shallow"
3 words... Nate the Rake.
The debate is over!
Great video! Got me installing New Vegas to start my first playthrough
Thank you so much for the kind words! Piece of advice, stick with it as it starts a bit slow. Once you get to new vegas (outer town of freed side) you will start receiving a bunch of side quests and it’s that moment that you’re in and hooked!
It doesn't divide fans. You just have too many weirdo NV toxic fans in your circle that are really loud.
The majority of Fallout fans play Fallout 4. That's why Fallout 4 has more current players, made more money, and has more sales.
Just to be clear, I love all Fallout games as I explain in the video; I just wanted to explain where some fans would argue against fallout 4. I love them all though and have played the life out of 4
I love how you only talked about the randomly generated quests in fallout 4 like that’s how they all are they have some awesome quests/side quests too with more depth but no don’t want to show them huh
No, you're absolutely right in what you're saying. Fallout 4 had some outstanding quests as well. The only problem was in that they introduced the radiant quests so early and they got mixed in. But Fallout 4 had a lot of great quests you are correct! Maybe next I will do a ranking of every great side quest in 4. The point of the video is to show how/why someone will enjoy the older games compared to the new. It is not to say one is necessarily better than the other, I love every single Fallout game including 4! I have played it 4 times, must have put hundreds of hours into it!
You really hit the nail on the head with this. 3 and New Vegas are bleak as hell, they actually feel post apocalyptic, depressing, and quite eerie. 4 is just so colorful and has this slightly cartoony, Pixar esque art style, as welll as a more upbeat soundtrack. I prefer my Fallout to have that dirty and grim almost horror vibe.
Yes, they’re different games in that respect, I love the horror element as well. The vaults in 3 and NV were particularly dark lol
The thing about New Vegas is that, depending on your choices, you can help to rebuild the Wasteland by your choices. Do you go with a corrupt government whose people are well intentioned? The pre-war businessman? Anarchy? Or do you go with Roman LARPers?
Counterpoint: As I've gotten older, I've found myself preferring the more hopeful and optimistic undertones of Fallout 4 in comparison to its predecessors. Ultimately, it depends on the current mood I'm in, but considering how the real world has been getting aggressively worse year after year after year, I've found myself looking more for media that doesn't make me feel miserable the majority of the time. Sorry, there's a better way of putting this than I am, and to each their own.
Great video. Summed it up perfectly
Thanks for the awesome feedback! It really means a lot especially as I’m a new channel! Hope to keep making videos up to the same standard or better!
The karma system was pretty dumb. It was contradictory and caused entire settlements to turn hostile out of nowhere.
I can see why it would be annoying in that way. I’m sure if introduced in a new game it would be tweaked to stop things like that happening
Exactly. It also would go against one of the game's main themes of questioning whether or not Synths are human by clearly delineating morality to certain actions related to it. By not giving us Good Karma if we helped save a Synth, for instance, we can come to our own conclusions on whether or not we actually did the right thing instead of just letting the game tell us we're good/evil.
Yup. You’ve nailed it. Fallout 4 isn’t an objectively bad game, but it’s very shallow and does not have the wonderful despairing tone of 3 or NV. Starfield is the logical endpoint of this: everyone’s essential. No real choice. Sign of the times. Great video.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I feel like the best games including the ability to make decisions and impact the world e.g. Witcher 3, the walking dead both won game of the year. Decision making is essential in video games as that’s why we play them. A movie or tv show is linear, I like to impact a game.
It's not fun.
Fallout 4? Any particular reason you didn’t enjoy it?
@@AVVGaming1 It's really hard to put my finger on it. I have tried maybe 6 times to get into it over the years and I sputter out after a few hours. It feels like its better polished than 3 & NV but it doesn't feel like it's deep. Maybe the way interacting with NPCs works and maybe the Commonwealth just doesn't grab me as much. I don't bother with the settlements so I don't really care about that aspect.
@@h347h I made this video after my recent experience. I go flying into this game but suddenly lose interest after certain amount time goes by and that doesn’t happen with NV for example.
Realistically the sky would always remain "Blue" after a nuclear war that won't change just because people nuked the world.
I love fallout 4 but my favorite continues to be new vegas without question
New Vegas was one of those lightning in a bottle moments. How they made that game in that time period with as much depth as they did, is literally crazy. I still play it and continuously say out loud "how did they program that in!? How did they think of that!?" from start to finish. A masterpiece?
Fallout 4 doesn't "divide" any fans, it simply smokes out all the New Vegas gatekpeers.
It does have a strong fanbase
It smokes out anyone with good taste, that's for sure.
I think Fallout 3 should have had 3 options for the prologue
The longest option, where you see the wanderer at 1, 10, 12, 16, 17 and 18 years old
The default one we got with 1 10 16 and 18
And then a quick start version with just the birth and the 18 yr prologue ending.
That’s an awesome idea! This would fit all types of players. Those that really enjoy the long back story and want to take their time, those that want to enjoy it for a bit and those that are on playthrough 278 and want to get out there really quick! lol
I was playing but don't feel like building settlements.
Yes, the settlement building is not something I particular enjoy at all. Some people do love it though, just different stuff for different people.
it felt so pushed and pointless and most of all out of place in a fallout game, seemed completely unnecessary
if i wanted to build stuff i'd play another game entirely
*Fallout 4 was actually my first Fallout game and it got me to go back and play 3 and NV 👍 I don't think either of them is necessarily better than the other, they're all extremely different and are appreciated respectively OR AT LEAST THEY SHOULD BE* 🕵
That’s exactly why I love the fallout series. They’re all great, but for different reasons. Different games for different tastes. They’re all enjoyable and we are lucky that the franchise has so many great games! I play them all for different reasons.
If your counting Radiant quests as more content, No. THe only way i played Fallout 4 was heavily modded. Its story is lackluster, contradictory, and lacked player choice and consequence. I dont count 76 as a True Fallout seeing its an MMO, and where they placed it in the timeline, ALSO counts as a Retcon to the entire series.
New Vegas was the first Fallout i ever played and got me into Fallouts 1 and 2. Anyone that says their too boring, clunky, and crap like that, are only making excuses.
I agree with all that you’ve put there. The writing quality dropped and it always loses me. The open world is great in 4, but the writing is just either plain dull or two basic. I will end up doing a video on why 76 isn’t really a fallout game.
@@AVVGaming1 Btw, New Vegas isnt an Expansion to Fallout 3, more of a Sequel to the Original Games since Obsidian was made of ex Black Isle Studio Devs.
@MLPDethDealr32 yes sorry I think I meant as in like it was the same engine, just miles up in terms of writing and everything else. But because of how similar it looked and felt, it was like fallout 3 part 2 just in gameplay for its time. I know the story is completely different and Obsidian went back to the good writing and RPG elements. That game really needs a remaster.
Fallout 4 is fun to mess around with. I liked building settlements and tinkering with the power armor, but it was a horrible portrayal of what the wasteland would be like to live in.
How is anyone having issues when it’s so easy to create unlimited power and water or even creating massive structures.
Once you’re able to mass produce water you don’t even need to go and find materials, as you can just trade your way to everything you could possibly need.
In the previous games you couldn’t just make stuff out of the blue and it felt as if people actually having a safe roof over their heads was a treasure that most would kill for.
Yes, I think you've nailed it there. It's a bit too easy to get comfortable in that world. The other games were about survival and cherishing every drop of water and ammo. I just felt like Fallout 4 was an entirely different game. That's not a bad thing, it's just a different thing. All the games are good in their own ways!
480p? Really?
Sorry I’m new at RUclips. I’m making the video in HQ but during the upload process it’s changing it. I’ll figure it out and make sure videos going forward are in higher quality. Thanks for the feedback.
I love Fallout 4. I have been steadily cultivating all the settlements, not just the usual 4 or five. I don't mind Preston, as my settlements are so well defended, nothing is missing when I go back to visit. I miss the drama of New Vegas, and hope that Fallout 5 will take place there and feature a similar RPG element.
That’s awesome! Takes a lot of dedication to commit to all the settlements! I bet if feels really rewarding though. I think fallout 5 would be awesome if they took the best from every game and put everything altogether. Probably asking too much but I can dream!
I played through all of Fallout 3 and had a heck of an experience. It impacted me a lot. It was also a meta experience considering at the time I recently moved into the DC Metro area. I however near the end got actual depression from the game. This video explains perfectly why. It's sad, desolate, brutal, and everything is out to kill you. I couldn't bear running into another dark depressing corner with corpses and then learning about their sad horrible fates. That being said, running head first into that slaver town with a full arsenal and unaliving every single slaver I could find before barely even reading a quest prompt will forever be a core memory for me. I hate slavers.
They were the worst! Paradise falls was the place! I think I did something similar. That world of Fallout 3 was such a rough place. Like we can go in and destroy those slavers but you just knew the world was full of them. Made you sad about what the world had become. It definitely left a mark for sure!
I've been playing Fallout for years and I have yet to play 1,2, and New Vegas since I don't have the right system to play the first two games yet. But even though 3 was my first game I've actually put more hours into Fallout 4 due to the Combat, Power Armor, and Equipment Customization. Here's what I'd personally recommend for people looking to get into the game.
If graphics, combat, or just that big suit of power armor from the show are your fancy, Fallout 4 is the way to go. As the level up system and the game itself are easy and friendly for all newcomers to the series, with survival mode being a challenge in case you have the time and want the challenge.
If you want a better story and immersion as well as a much more unique character, Fallout 3 is the way to go. Like the points made in the video Fallout 3 gives a blank character with perspectives from both inside and outside the vault. Character Creation and Combat can be hard for newcomers to wrap their heads around, I barely got by not knowing what I was doing. That and the DLCs with stuff like The Pitt, Point Lookout, and Anchorage are really good as well.
If picking up one isn't enough, then I'd recommend picking up the other, and if you're really on a Fallout grind, go ahead and do what I've been wanting to do and play Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas in that order as they were made from the original developers and seem to have that original vibe to them. Granted you can just play New Vegas and that's completely fine too, I just recommend it all this way since I don't have any experience with the originals and New Vegas.
TL;DR: Casual Experience: Fallout 4, Immersive Experience: Fallout 3 or New Vegas, Classic Experience: 1, 2, and New Vegas
I agree with this 100%. It’s what the person needs in order to get into the series. My partner is playing 4 now. I would love it if they played New Vegas but the graphics are too much of a step down for them. Now they’re committed to 4, it will open up the desire to try and commit to the others. Great comment!
I like your style! very good pacing for me and you have a great voice!
Thank you very much! It’s a Northern English voice lol this is actually the first comment I’ve had about my voice and it means a lot! I’m still new at this whole thing and will only improve as I go along. Comments like this really make my day so thank you for taking the time to write it!
despite the video and editing quality, this was a solid video. good work
Haha I appreciate the feedback. I’m brand new at it all so it’ll take me time but I think every video I make it getting better. One day I’ll get it to be top quality. If you ever watch any new videos I do please leave honest feedback. I can only grow and improve from constructive feedback.