Cartels Are Making Millions on Fentanyl-Laced Medicine | Crimewave
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Medical tourism to Mexico from the US is huge, with an estimated three million inbound medical travellers in 2020 alone. Medication is cheaper in Mexico than the US, and you can buy most drugs without a prescription.
While most people are able to find the care they desperately need, some are also buying cheap unregulated medicine without knowing it’s fake. The ingredients can be completely unknown and in recent years, the DEA have seized counterfeit medication laced with the deadly opioid fentanyl.
Reporter Tania Rashid explores the murky underworld of black market medication in Mexico & LA.
00:00 Intro
04:16 Testing if drugs are counterfeit
09:41 Inside a clandestine warehouse
14:45 The rise of medical tourism in border towns
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“The black market exists because of the overpriced healthcare system in the US.” I’ve worked in healthcare for a decade and this is the most brutally honest statement I’ve ever heard.
ok but the black market is made up of more than just what you’d get from a underpriced healthcare so therefore this is irrelevant
I’m a bit confused by your response. That quote regarding the black market was made in reference exclusively to pharmaceutical products. If you’re arguing that the black market, in a general sense, is made up of more than products and services related to healthcare, you are correct. Certainly anything can be offered on the black market as an illegitimate or illegal sale. What I’m not understanding is the “underpriced healthcare” reference. Help me understand your logic. I’m also having trouble with the part of your response that says, “…so therefore this is irrelevant.” Exactly what is irrelevant?
@@TravisMcMurray ok let me break it down. you said the black market EXISTS because of OVERpriced healthcare. now with that information alone to go off of let’s fix it now the health care is not overpriced but wait.. the black market still exists. that’s why i said this is irrelevant.
@@ellayak Black markets usually form for many reasons, ease of access, pricing, taxes, etc. Reducing healthcare costs will reduce the black market, at least for non addictive substances. Black markets must be crushed at demand, not supply. Or else another will just pop up again.
I have a excellent pain management dr, glad I'm being treated..
When I was a heroin addict... I hated my stuff being laced with fentanyl because it was just a fast high and it went away quick. Yeah it got you really high, but if you have a habit, it's really hard to overdose, But then there's kids that haven't used and they think it's a Roxy 30, never to wake up again. It's pretty scary. I'm so glad I left that life behind. I've been sober for three years, I have a good relationship with my higher power now. All opiates did for me was put me in prison for 3 years, in jail for 5. It's a horrible life, and very addicting... I always wanted to feel good. I never knew that eating healthy and working out makes me feel way better than any of those drugs ever did.
I'm proud of you bro. People who have never walked in our shoes will never truly understand our struggle. Keep doing what your doing and stay focused. God bless you.
God job brother keep it up
That's real talk. Drugs never solve the problem.
i was on dope and pills for around 7 years.. i had a tolerence.. but i overdosed 12 times. throughout my addiction each time needing narcan and an ambulance or the paddles to bring me back to life.. fent is no joke.. but then again i was mostly into smoking coke at the time and would do dope to come down.. shits scary.. been sober 5 years now!
I agree that if you have a tolerance it’s hard to OD. PLENTY of people search for fentanyl. And there are types that, like you said get you super high but only last an hour if even before you’re sick again.. BUT I’m MY addiction I had come across a different type of fentanyl that got you SUPER high and lasted DAYS! I think it might be a different between like street fent and medical fent
Fentanyl addiction destroyed my life. I could remember several years ago, I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Was actually addicted to fentanyl. Not until my fiancee recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 3 years totally clean. Much respect to mother nature the great magic shrooms.
Amen God bless people. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, fentanyl, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health.
Can you help me with the reliable source 🙏. I'm 56 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Germany. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them.
YES Dr.alishrooms
I'm really happy for you that your fiancee decided to help you...I hear about alot of family members or so called friends shutting an addict out of their life, which since most addicts do it to mask emotions to me is the worse thing someone can do to an addict.
How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta
The guy in the beginning couldn’t be more obvious that he had a wire on lmfao. “Can I get 2 perc 30s? Two percocet 30 mg please.” “Ok I’m going to give you the money “ 😂😂😂😂
I like how the guy serving him had two neatly ready in a bag too. Either misleading editing or probably bull.
The guy was like, bruh this is Mexico 🙄🤣
@@rustybartel9110 nah dude thats standard it’s a dub $20 dollars worth of fentanyl here in cali and probably 10 bucks down there. Really sad Fr. Bcuz nobody can have just one. ;)
Yeah hahaha, and who buys 2 single pills? Either buy the bottle or by the blister pack, I'd have replied "gtfo narc" faster than he could've got the two percocet line out 😂
I was sitting here yelling at him to cool his jets lol
Best commercial for medical tourism I ever seen.
Exactly what I was thinking
When we goin
Yeah but who wants to but a 10mg (meant to be a slow release) tablet that’s go alprazolam in it, only cutter and diazepam (Valium)
@@chuckno8 You misinterpreted that part just like the reporter. The pill testing guy was a complete moron. No one sells "10mg Xanax" first off, even just for marketing no one says they have 10mg alprazolam. She clearly gave him the 10mg diazepam tablet and he tested it and the test even said 10mg of diazepam. So it was exactly what it was sold to her as and 10mg is a normal dose for diazepam. Xanax/alprazolam comes in a bar not a tablet and they didn't even test it. I almost got physically sick when I read the caption that said he had a PHD. People need to stop taking so-called "experts" so seriously when all it really means is they went to school and passed some tests. It doesn't actually make them an expert just because of some on-paper credentials. Knowledge and education isn't that one dimensional.
@@Ryan88881 watch it again, it’s the Xanax he says they test, and yes there is actually 10mg Xanax in slow release form
4:25 bruh handling fentanyl without gloves is crazy
I suffered the borderline disorder for over 23 years. With so much anxietyNot until I came across psilocybin mushrooms treatmentPsilocybin treatment actually saved my life honestly. 6 years totally clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms
Microdosing helped me get out of the pit of my worst depressive episode, a three year long episodeenough to start working on my mental health
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Spain. Really need
Dr.raymycology is your guy. Best
shrooms and psychedelics guy I know
they saved you from death bud, lets be honest here. and mushrooms are one of the most amazing things on this planet i wish people would all realize. they could solve a lot of problems, more than just mental treatments, environmental clean up; the possibilities are endless with fungus
How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta
As someone with a bone disease and in pain constantly it sucks. The doctors can’t help much because they can only give you so much these days. So you seek it elsewhere just to be able to move. Our medical system is broken. People in pain should be taken care of by doctors and people wouldn’t seek these out.
I overdosed on fentanyl and found two bags in my pocket in the hospital. Did more when I got out. That’s how strong addiction is. Just celebrated 6 years on Xmas. Keep up the hard work.
I did exactly the same when I OD'd on GHB...found an 8ball in my sock and did a line in the hospital bathroom. Got so fucked up I drove myself to my sisters house and then to rehab.
When i ODed from fent I vaguely remember the EMTs patting me down and took my bag of blow and my bag of dirty 30s lol. Fuckers. I woulda done it when I woke up too i just know it cuz i went to the plug lmao
Proud of you
Just incase nobody has told you!!!!
We should do a line to celebrate
I would have watched 20mins of them just testing different products and seeing the actual ingredients.
Especially cocaine
I wanted to know what else was in that “bar”
@@alannagilmore8982 either alprazolam like a normal Xanax, or some research chemical benzo. RC benzos are wayyy cheaper than Fentanyl and they both are coming bulk from China.
Me too i wish they had tested the migraine medication as well. I was really curious to know if it was real or not.
@@alannagilmore8982 I'm curious too. Those No print bars with nothing on them are most likely the Pharmapram Mexican bars there everywhere out here in Cali . Lotta people say there weaker bars. I've had them before . Normal benzo user I had to take 2-3 bars. When I normally take 1 .
These fentanyl pills just killed one of my best friends I’ve known since I was 8 years old. What’s crazy is he wasn’t even a real drug addict or someone with a huge issue. Just took a wrong pill with the wrong amount of fentanyl and didn’t wake up. Rip Mikel
That’s why the dealers or people who make these drugs have a special place in hell
Why tf these kids taking pills from strangers, idiots😒
That's what happens now adays. I had a friend who has been prescribed a benzo since they were teenagers and after he picked up his script and when he went to his friends house with me, our friend without the real prescription said he had traded some illegal drugs for the "same" pills so they compared it in front of me, it was night and day but had the same markings and tried to be the same color but was a faded, yellowish tint with tiny speckled stains I would call it, it also was a little taller, but same length and imprint, the fake one from the street dealer didn't break apart like the real one either, it was kind of hard to break in half, it was scary to realize that the real one and fake one, side by side and knowing the real one had exactly what the pharmacy said and the fake one had god knows what.
Very tragic, sorry for the loss. It's a great point that many who lose their life aren't 'addicts' but occasional users. Today it's akin to Russian roulette to ingest any 'origin: unknown' substance. It breaks my heart, the thousands of young people lost from fentanyl. Parents or friends finding their much loved one just utterly dead. The only mitigation it seems is awareness, in which VICE excels.
RIP Mike
I work in a rehab now. I've watched countless people, including my own brother, exes and friends struggle with their addiction. The fentanyl crisis is only getting worse. I see it everyday; the effects they have on a person's mind, body and soul. Their relationships with family, spouses, friends destroyed. Rest in peace Garrett, my older brother whom heroin took too soon. Rest in peace Ben, those Oxy's didn't deserve to take you. Rest in peace Luca, I wish I could've saved you from your demons. Please reach out for help if you're struggling, its too big to handle on your own.
Its sad people like this are persecuted we make it 100 times harder then it needs to be and force the addicted to act out in negtive ways as a society we have alot to learn
Opioids are a blessing from god.
Your panzy brother has issues if he can't maintain a buzz and be a responsible adult.
@@MonsterBreaker you live for drugs. Sad.
It's almost like, if you weren't a disgusting and stupid drug addict, this wouldn't happen to you. It's not a "crisis", it's just drug addicts being drug addicts. I've watched my stupid mother abuse opioids and ruin me and my brother's childhood. Everyone makes choices, and this is a stupid one you made and you blame the drugs and not your own lack of critical thinking. Take some responsibility in your life and maybe you wouldn't be so damn miserable.
@@MonsterBreaker definitely not a “blessing from God”
“Are you associated with the cartels in any way?” No he’s associated with CVS pharmacy actually
Haha!
😂🤣👍
I'm pretty sure it was Rite Aid....
@@petefarmer3514 Rite Aid isnt even open anymore lol
@@ownthevoid
It is in my neighborhood... bahahaha
I lost 2 of my closest friends to fentanyl laced pills. They thought they were getting Xanax, but got fentanyl instead. RIP Darren and Joe and everyone else who lost their battle with addiction. Love ya bros
they deserved it. shouldn't have been using pills
@@young98-cc5ls I dont drink so keep hoping lol
Who hurt you :(
I lost my boyfriend 4 years ago to a single fentanyl-laced Xanax someone gave him. He was in no way an opioid user or addict in a way, but I feel like there is such a stigma attached to the way he died- he overdosed, therefore he must have been an addict. I'm so glad this is starting to come to light. 4 years ago I searched & searched for news reports of this kind of thing happening elsewhere. I found ONE article about a massive fentanyl bust where counterfeit Xanax pill presses were also found in like New York, but that was it. I knew it was only a matter of time.
@@DasSpitter yea thats why you dont buy pills off the street dummy. if you aint getting them from the pharmacy from a prescription from a doctor THEN YOU SHOULDNT BE BUYING THEM PERIOD!!! NOR USING THEM!! anyone who dies from an overdose its their own fault. they know by purchasing drugs off the street there is a 100% guaranteed possibility of it being laced/fake and will overdose and possibly die.
This video sheds a light on how bad the healthcare system has become and the effect it has. Great video.
Bot 👌💯
@@evanfogherty5161 im confused...?? what do you mean
@@4GQTV ignore him
@@evanfogherty5161 ok Fagherty
What are we gonna do about it?? If we create a healthcare system funded by taxes it'll suck and we'll get high taxes. We gotta pay our doctors and nurses a lot because we trust them. But where are we gonna get the money to pay them?
If you’re buying off the street it’s definitely laced. Safety, awareness, and support needs to happen now.
Lol not all of it.. Tell me you don’t know the right people without telling me u don’t 🤡
@@fabian4211you think this is a flex 🥴
Lol u can't buy them anywhere else lol..they not real
@@fabian4211once that person stops fw u ur dead bum
PROTECT YOUR INFORMANTS!! I could literally map out where this man lives in a couple hours. Take this down, edit it and reupload it for his own safety.
Quite a few ppl have said what you said and from what I've read here vice have got informants killed don't know how true that is need to research that
They wont... its almost like they want him to get caught up.
Vise don't care at all *
Vice doesn’t give 2 shtzzz.
@@fayaazalibhai4665 yes, that's true there are many deads after vice's documentary, I've seen a forum on 4chan about it, there were even video of that, one happened in pakistan and one in Colombia, got killed for having spoke in a video
Your informants are not being protected enough. There are too many dead giveaways of identification. Please change and re upload for their safety 📢📢
Right, but it's also the way it was shot, zooming in on their face, their driveway, dogs and cars. I say keep it simple, show their hands only, away from their homes. A lot of it could've been edited out too.
Yeah man they’d be easy to ID if they want them dead as an example .. but I’m assuming the local guys were cool with it as they knew why was up
Vice has such a terrible reputation for this. They've gotten people killed by being irresponsible journalists.
Vice = getting raided 2 hours later
yeah maybe they have an ok from local boss
Sadly.. this day in time, you don’t know what you’re getting off the streets. Glad I finally overcame all this almost 4 years ago.. 🙏 for the addicts still out there
Congratulations with the production of this in-depth, short documentary that brings a clear message!
10mg is a lot of alprazolam. Bars are usually 2mg. 10mg is standing in court charged with a bunch of stuff you have no memory of doing.
8mg is standing in court charged with a whole bunch of stuff
that’s so scary
@pivix yeah i found that out after reading through the comments, it’s literally ridiculous they call these so called experts and they don’t even know what substances their dealing with? not to mention literally showed what was in the bar on the screen and expected people just to brush it off
100% true
It happened to me.
@pivix she also bought diazepams,they could cut up the video wrong...talking about xan and showing part of video when they were testing diazepam I quess....? :P
Interviewer: I’m getting scared of the cartels while filming
Also her: I need to go up the supply chain👍
I said the same thing lmfao
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⬆️ Overdosing on fetnyol in Prison
😂 😆 it’s too funny!!
Hey she’s determined!
You should be safe if they know what your doing. But then again you never no
How did she set up interviews with the cartel members?
I've been a drug addict for most of my life, tried fentanyl in a true medication when I was young. Took fentanyl now in 2022; I overdosed at my job and went straight to the hospital. It's the scariest thing I've ever touched.
Try psychedelics my friend to stop addictions
[_James_tray]
Reliable source for your pschssss
On ig
Hope your at a better place right now.
@@Jerryberger9235 It wasn't about that. I posted that to maybe help one addict. If not, to share my experience for my own therapeutic values.
Amazing work, vice, keep up the great work and please be safe.
Cracks me up how they ask people about the cartel like they’re going to just be like yeah.
Lol 😂😆
LMFAOOOO
On my camera no less, like fam you want his whole block shot up or something?
Yea she’s not so smart, she’s putting them & herself in Huuuuuuuge danger
LMAO i was thinking the same thing like bruh nobody is dumb enough to say yes.
Goddamn it guys. Again you are unnecessarily shooting footage that exposes the people who trust you enough for an interview. Why you gotta film the man's backyard and his door, and the other guy's car's rear (with the horribly taped up giveaway signs lol).
That's what I'm saying?! The way she kept pressuring him to talk about the cartel was so uncomfortable to watch
They don’t truly care they just want the story for themselves and whatever happens to the people that help them that’s not their problem so they don’t care. Sad reality and I agree not only did they not have to film it but they took the time to snip and edit it into the video consciously
Some of them will end up in gore sites omg :'(
Cmon man, you think Vica cares? Stay out of the way of their profit!
The reporters are selfish
Testing that without gloves is ode crazy!
I was taking them perk 30s aka blues aka Fetty oxide any how when I stopped it took 3 days of pain throwing up and suffering
I love how this chick crushes a fent and meth laced pill in her hand after being told "idk whats in it" and then proceeds to meet up with people and ask very sus questions, very dangerous and reckless reporting.
++to the point to think it might be staged for views++
@@narudelics .. you would think its staged but these definetely appear to be real cartel members
@@narudelics I think vice highers a lot of college dropouts with debt to work for them. I believe they have reporters who are that dumb
lol she did it for us 😂😂😂
yeah if I was her I would never go south of the border ever again, the cartels aren't stupid and definitely will see this...
Girl: “I need to go further up the supply chain”
How further up until they chop your head off girl???? Damn girl....
😆
I was coming to comment the same thing
@mike hawk oh yes she is, I’m not sure she knows the level of danger she’s in. & shame on VICE for sending a lady to this, when it’s one of the mist dangerous places in the world especially for women
They need to go to china, not mexico. Thats where you get to the manufacturers. Its crazy they didnt mention china once when this is all them...Cartels are not making these medications
They cut off heads of other gangs and law officers, she is more like marketing for drugs in mexico
Good stuff
I remember several years ago heroin addiction destroyed my life, I suffered from severe depression and a mental disorder until I was recommended to psilocybin mushroom treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly I'm 8 years clean now. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms.
they saved you from death bud, let's be honest here mushrooms are one of the most amazing things on this planet I wish people could all realize. they can solve a lot of problems, more than mental treatments.
yes, that's right, I researched and found out that shrooms are helpful in many ways but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source I can reach out to
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure of Sporeville he's an intelligent mycologist.
they've helped me a lot as well I'm a war vet diagnosed with PTSD. A lot of issues spun out of control when I came home. This is something i looked up and tried after trying the roller coaster of antidepressants. Day and night difference
How do I reach out to him? Is he on Instagram
I respect the fact how the Mexican lady on Alvarado street repeatedly asked if you were sure u wanted these and even gave instructions. She was looking out for you, I would say
Fr that lady could’ve just given her the 10 mg of Xanax and that could’ve been horrible. The most I’ve ever taken was 6 mg and I deadass took a big ass bite on a pen. Idk how I didn’t break my teeth
Sales gimmick.. I sold coke in HS and I'd do that all the time ...makes em think its going to be super strong
Last time I took over 10 mg I woke up in jail 😭
@@kooh301 that too I suppose depending on your bag getting mindset
@@cheeman5995 bars are 2mg ignorant ppl think blue footballs are 10mg. Theyre 1mg No real pill would have over 2mg like dude says that's enough chewy to die
“Are you scared to tell me about the Cartels?” 🤦🏻♂️😂 u should be scared asking about them
100%
At the end of the day she's coming back to america
@Coconut Head No because she's not pushing anything at all. This is known info that doesn't hurt them at all. They have the government, the people. They don't give af about her 🤣🤣
@@goldtvlive1017 u must not be from here. They had to pay a multa for those interviews and protection u big dummy
@@MichaelDominguez25 Vice have millions to spend on security and paying people to interview that's their specialty man. Have you not seen where they snuck video from North Korea? And the labor camps? This is nothing.
Thanks for your courage!
My dad passed away from a heroin OD, and they found fentanyl in his blood. Addiction is so sad and depressing, but with lack of help people lose themselves. My little sister had to lose her father because of this stuff. I just hope one day we can fix these issues.
I've woke up in the hospital from fentanyl overdose. literally had my dealer come visit and bring me more while i was in there. the hold it has on you is insane. . . little over a year sober now 🙏🙏🙏
Funny I knew a chick who was sober her whole life then had a miscarriage and the hospital gave her fentanyl. Not morphine. She was 18. Why not morphine or just a few vicodin. A few vicodin NEVER KILLED ANYONE!!!
After that she sought out ways to get it. IDK what ever happened to her but prob dead or on the street.
Your dealer sounds like an extremely bad person, no offence lol
@@Normaldude3 they most likely are
@@Normaldude3 they all are dude. All they care about is the money not the health or the risk someone takes from taking what they supply.
@@ZannkyOG anyone dealing fentanyl, yes. Definitely.
Reporter- I need to go further up the supply chain.
Me- Girl you gonna get yourself killed...
I thought I was the only 1 😂😂😂
More like she's going to get the people she filmed killed, Vice is horrible with their OPSEC
@@ianwalsh1257 for real..
If they you international journalist , good luck
My type of girl living on the edge of life
When i went to texas i had someone tell me to go by medicine in mexico.. red flags all over my head went off.. i was like…. NO WAY
I lost the love of my life two years ago to a fentanyl overdose. Love you always Priya
🌉 I Lost 100+ in LA & 100+ in Detroit over decades of slamming black tar & brown ☦️
For the last 30 years you could go to a doctor and say “it hurts here” they would give you pain killers. Now that they realize half the country is addicted the governments bright idea is to take away half of the people’s prescriptions away. Leaving them to either go through withdrawals or do whatever they can to fill their habit. Instead of putting money into actual rehabs to help people get off the drugs.
preachhhhh!!
Facts bro. Big Pharma needs to be held accountable. They told doctors that less than 1% of people using opioids for pain relief got addicted. And pushed extended release Oxys. When people would go through withdrawl, Big Pharma would tell doctors it’s called “pseudo-addiction” and it’s “not real addiction, their body is dependent on the drug, but there’s no psychological addiction,” so any time patients were exhibiting symptoms of addiction, doctors would think it’s not real addiction. Meanwhile big Pharma KNEW it was addictive to 100% of people, and if you take opioids consistently and long enough you will be dependent on them. But they would compile data of doctors writing prescriptions, and give kick backs to doctors who were prescribing tons of Oxys, and send sales people to doctors who weren’t prescribing Oxys to explain to them that there is “minimal danger of addiction, and they’re safe to use.”
85% of people who are now addicted to heroin/fentanyl/opioids in general, were originally prescribed by a doctor! They were trusting their doctor to help them with their pain, and now they are labeled a junkie by society. It’s fucked!
@@cfaw21 big pharma is owned by big brother and until the government can admit to their wrong they will never be held accountable. The US government wants you to believe the Mexican cartel are the biggest drug dealers. But it’s actually us.
Stupid people they don't realize the opioid medication by itself won't killed you if taken properly how Doctor Prescribe but when they abuse and mix their night cocktails of Xanax ,Bars , Valium with Vodka and ghost Buds ''!! i forgot my pain medication 15 mg of oxycodone let me crush 3 and snorted them so it can reach my pain faster , this has kill plenty of white middle age Americans , they fell asleep in the front of car and never wake up when the light turn Green.
@@jseahmed2432 just you saying taking pain killers on their own won’t kill you is enough for me to know you have no idea what you’re talking about. I have been taking pain killers since I had my root canal when I was 19/20 and I’m 30 now been taking them since. If you take a whole bottle of pain killers or any prescription pill you will have a likely chance you will die from it. I am lucky and lucky I have a strong will power and will thankfully would rather be sick then do heroin or fentanyl. But I have had a lot of friends die from heroin overdoses and have had a few friend die from accidental prescription overdoses. Sad I still take them after all I’ve learned.
The way this was filmed is going to get people hurt.
Not if it was fake, staged..with actors etc..
people agree to this or else they have their face blurred. Also, this stuff isn't a secret.. its open information that everyone knows over there and even in the US (which is why you see these stories of people going over there for these drugs in specific)
So much of this going on doesn’t really matter
Vice always advertising for the drug dealers
staged
Thanks for the video
Thx for doing this
Lookup☝️🍄✅ that handle he got DMT LSD psilocybin MDMA 🍄.💊.🔌.🍫.🍄.💊...................................
I'm extremely grateful I got sober before counterfeit pills and dope started being cut with fentanyl. I know fentanyl was around back then but not nearly as prevalent. I tried opiates in high school, including oxy's but didn't get hooked til i had an injury that required surgery after college.. Its been 6 years and counting 🤞
Same here man, I got clean around 2011-2012. We truly dodged a bullet.
Same here. I used to run down to the border all the time in the early 2000s it's was so simple to just mail the drugs back to yourself or smuggle them. The only pressed pills you got back then were x. I would definitely not be alive if fent was in everything back then!!!
@@psychotropictraveler514 same. 2011 was when I first got sober....relapsed around 2013 and was off and on (mostly on tbh) until 2015. Congrats on your sobriety.
@@Mrjwilson318 I never lived near the border but I'm sure if I had, I would definitely have been making those trips to Mexico. Congrats on ur sobriety. Keep it up
@@HokiePitcher22 I didn't either I lived in little rock Arkansas. My roommate and I actually saw a documentary on dateline nbc in the late 90s early 00s and they pretty much tell step by step how to do it. Thank God im not dead or rotting away in a Mexican jail!!!
1 week later: all informants in this video are either missing or dead.
Nice job Vice.
Nah they’re not missing, no one goes missing in Mexico, they’re just strung from bridges with their heads cut off
Real? Link?
“So what roll do YOU play in the cartel - look into the the camera and speak clearly!”😳kinda shocked that’s so ..... the lack of self awareness
I lost my daughter to fentanyl 2 months ago. She thought she got a pain pill, but it was full of fentanyl. I pray to God this all stops!
Lost my BFF of 35 years to accidental overdose.
She left 4 kids behind and just had her first grand baby that she never got to meet.
Fentanyl is evil! Rest In Peace Steph miss and love you 😘 🙏
Lmao fent fucked up
Aw that’s so sad, I’ll keep her in my prayers
God bless
good thing she handled the unknown substance without gloves.
Most fentanyl is cut, and very weak. If you are meant to take an entire pill, you certainly are not going to overdose from touching it.
@@Stonktradomus Fetinal wherem from is not very weak at all bro
people are not going to die from touching even pure fentanyl hcl.
You cant absorb enough fentanyl thru touching a small amount with just your hands.. it needs to be ingested(breathed in, licked etc)
“I have no idea what’s in this drug!”
*Proceeds to crush it in her hands without gloves*
Well.. i guess there's only one way for her to find out once she crushed it up huh? Lol
*accidentally sniffs finger*
gets a migraine
Not the smartest journalist…
you know powders dont go through skin?
@@kennguyen2357 btw you don't need to ingest fentanyl to get high from it
From a recovering addict who's been clean almost 2 years, thanks so much for the huge trigger thumbnail in my suggested videos.. much appreciated.
I have a friend who uses the darknet. The amount of these pills being sold on there is unreal. Lots of feedback saying their customers have died so its good gear. What?????
You were getting watched by the local cartels and had multiple guests tell you that they were uncomfortable with continuing filming yet your team kept filming in the same areas. You definitely don’t care about these peoples lives and that’s a shame.
Yes.. I was disappointed. Respect these people, if they even are giving you the time of day. It was so beyond uncomfortable & disrespectful.
The interviews were all fake, you could tell they way they were set up, sounded like she was acting a script and was absolutely as calm as could be in Infront of criminals with automatic rifles and they were allowed to film them walking in back corridors. Lighting was good amd she was wearing nice clothes and jewelry and was very vulnerable.
People involved may talk to you but not on camera and definitely not let you come film inside a black market warehouse, they know they and their files would be killed.
The info was the only thing that was partially accurate and even a lot of that was wrong. Cartels are not putting fentanyl in fake pills that people don't know they are taking but buying for $2 a pill, they want repeat business and s profit. They sell fake pills to people that cost them 15 cents a pill to make and they sell drugs packaged as medicine for people wanting to buy drugs and they sell that for a lot more money.
This is what garbage journalism gives you and a lot is misinformation and dramatic shocking but fake interviews and videos
I noticed that too. They believe distorting their voices and blurring their faces is anonymous enough yet they reveal locations, homes, gates, their vehicles and animals.
Good content
@@shaneducholke364 I think you overestimate how much the cartels care. The cartels care more...that you checked in. There's no fear from them of their industries being attacked by the Federales. They are entirely brazen. Really...as long as they are disguised...they should be fine. They aren't sharing anything that's not PUBLIC knowledge.
This is the blues everyone in this nation is getting hooked on
@@lyd_dez777 my condolences
It’s killing lightweights everywhere
Perc 30
@@lyd_dez777 you took 7? You are fortunate to be alive. I was addicted from December until late March, I stopped using because I overdosed. It was my second time OD’ing, but the first time from those pressed “m/30” pills. I had a pair of big balls on me that night. I busted it down and noticed it was harder than the ones I used to get from my old dealer, of course I thought “this has to be really pressed.” But I still snorted the whole pill. 15-20 minutes later I just remember waking up in the back of an ambulance with my shirt cut open and I was freaking out.
@@lyd_dez777 I remember some parts of actually blacking out. I was driving at one point, was with my girlfriend but I don’t remember pulling over. But I do remember listening to music and it started to sound like I was tripping on acid and all of a sudden everything was black. Like I was non existent. Then I woke up and the paramedic told me he administered narcan 4 times and he told me he didn’t know if I was going to wake up. Months later I have had 2 friends die and others that I somewhat knew passed on as well. My girlfriend still suffers from seeing me take y assumingely last breathe. She said that she asked me if I was okay as I was OD’ing and I said “I’m okay,” right before I started exasperating for air.
Very informative and sad in regards to the USA healthcare system.
I started snorting these out of highschool.....when the high wasn't enough I started smoking pure fentanyl and almost died a few times ......when i tell you the withdrawal from this was the worst pain I've ever experienced please believe me , it seriously felt like I was a doll and being pulled apart from the joints in my knees and arms. To tired to stay awake and to restless to sleep ...Ive been clean for a year and still have cravings avoid this like it's death because a lot of times it is
Good luck foo you got this
I'm proud of you stranger!
Take kratom to help with the craving
You just wanna rip outta your own skin ahhhhhhh Salute to sobriety!!!
That blows , keep active as u can doing hobbies you like to do … best to keep busy and also help tire yourself out
Sad thing to see and know it exists. In the USA a person can go to the Dr and not receive the right medical treatment when in pain so they find it on the streets
@Christiana Gorge good for him
@Christiana Gorge I don't do any drugs and can't believe you do and ADMIT it.
Theres a reason that this goes on. The people that find money more important than their fellow man.
Sad world we live in when u can’t even trust your drug dealers…
Fr
I trust my drug dealers more then any government people.
Prepare the whoosh
for real if anyone here is addicted please ask for (depending where you live) or order a home purity test kit -- also seek immidiate help especially if you're injecting
@@KGisthename As requested, I have prepared it.
WOOOOSH!!!
My friend died from fentynyl laced Percocet in 2019. This is very dangerous and is a huge problem in the U.S. If you have an addiction problem, please be safe. There are people who love you and will miss you, if your gone... ❤️
Thank you and god bless you but just wanna clarify that 30mg blue oxycodone percecate which are the new popular drug right now s being sought after because it is fentanyl. Thats why heroin addicts and other opiate addicts want it. If it was legit proper Percocet - still big demand but nothinn like fentynys ones bc the fent ones re so Strong its making heoin addicts stop injecting h3roim and just smoke blue oxy 30 with fent
Sorry for your loss. I lost my love, and we were both sober for several years, to a relapse on what she thought was heroin. It was fentynyl instead. I believe that addicts are being targeted and it's no different than murder and an attack on American's on American soil. Our government obviously doesn't care. We need to throw the full weight of the American military at the opiate problem and wipe out and/or tightly regulate the chemicals that are needed to process these drugs. They have done a good job of this with LSD because real lysergic acid is gone.
Excuse my naivety, but Percocet from an American pharmacy, in Mexico or from the street?
I'm sorry for your loss
@@muslimamerican4129 this is what is was
@@brendaanliker4254 the street
How crazy....I just found this and whats so crazy is my brother went on vacay to Cancun and he I guess had an old perc bottle and took with him and was able to just purchase from a Pharmacy there and sad to say he never woke up the next morning while in Cancun Sept 2021 and it cost my Dad a good bit to bring him home to Ohio.
That’s terrible, man. I’m so sorry for your loss.
I am so sorry for your loss 😔 This is horrific!
I pray everyday 🙏🙏🙏 for everyone wether they're lost in the sauce or sober living.....
❤️
Amen
Prayer is Powerful. Keep going
just curious, what is the implied reason behind your sharing of this? no offense, just trying to better understand rather than make a bad judgment based on false assumption.
Posting prayers 🙏 shouldn't be questioned. Prayers get shared. I've been thru it. And even sobriety after an addiction can be hard. Idk if that reply was for me or........ your ? Doesn't really make sense to my simple statement
That kid taking the migraine medication seems like a really smart guy. If you suffer with consistent migraines, you know how tough it can be to simply be a positive person. I wish him the best.
Dat guy looks more like a druggie dat randomly tries stuff lol
@Oscar Mar-Garcia ....? How so? He's buying it at a pharmacy. It just happens to be a pharmacy in Mexico instead of the US. Vice is greatly overhyping the dangers of buying OTC medication in Mexico.
@@shelltoe_soul she had a literal chemistry set on the border off her very first pharmacy run that proved the medication inauthentic. “Greatly overhyped”? Her very thesis was proven true on the first try. I apologize but I will not be agreeing with this one.
Then again, It’s also possible that the young man toward the end bought legit. As he says, Imitrex is non-narcotic, specific in the use of migraine prevention. It does one thing - it does not get a person high. An addict looking to score pills would be unwise to buy or take these because nothing would happen. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that they’re faking everything from Vicodin to baby aspirin but the express purpose of doing so exists in demand of the product itself.
@Misty McLane ya, right.
Thanks 😊 I have actually found a treatment that works
I know the cartel can be greedy, but if you're gonna screw someone's life up with a drug addiction, at least provide clean drugs. I know that may sound bad, but getting clean drugs would probably save more lives. It's a very complex crisis.
Lookin 🔥 tho 👀, I quit 3 different times cold turkey, just control yourself don't let it control you. BE STRONG.
This reminds me of that scene on the hangover "You mean to tell me the drug dealer behind the liquor store turned out to be a bad guy?" Imagine that
🤣
Hahahaha dudeeee I forgot about that. I’m gonna have to watch that movie again soon 💀
My friend died taking those exact pills. Whether he knew they were laced or not I have no idea. He was a great kid and a pro racer . Rip Dan Hoisington #71
RIP....
Same here my best friend used to take em w him he was 17 july 17th 2021 he was a skier
💔💔
Sorry for your loss, Bro...RIP Dan! The good die young.
Rip dan
This will always exist! Insurance and health care costs are insane
I would like to know where you got the drug tester?
I felt like this wasn't going to end well for the reporter :(
Especially when that "warehouse worker" told her if border patrol shows up then we know who tipped them off and he will not allow himself or crew to go down without a fight, regardless if she is there or not. 😳
Yeah this video is scary af tbh
Tbh, all they did was a commercial for cheap drugs in Mexico. Addicts going through their struggles, honeslty won't care as long as it "works", and how they showed some of the drugs being even stronger....yeah,cheaper and stronger equals more money flow...thats what this felt like
Just the thumbnail is enough to make people fiend and itch for some perks. I used to do exactly those ones m boxes they called ten years I'm 26 just got 4 months clean with help of Suboxone. Never encountered a fake that I couldn't identify until about a month before I quit I got one an a215 30 tht I think was fentanyl and I was doin 8 30s a day so I never dipped out well I was out like a light. It scared me I stopped after never again
I said the same thing
She's literally asked everyone.. are you with the cartel then she asked the very obvious answer to who I would imagine a cartel informer would be lmao he looked at her like....nope 👀
Did you notice the scarf around her neck and the way she touched her neck? I have a feeling one of them may have choked her. Just a feeling. I ended up getting worried for her.
@@samanthafernandez6916 she’s fine. Works for VICE. I’m sure they always have security for liability reasons, plus the camera people etc.
Bruh you know the crazy part of it all not sure if it's passed her head or not b cause she's doing a show. But if the cartel suspects her of outting them out they will find her and cut her head off on camera no doubt.
@@stonerman15 bro when your in a another country America isn't going to bat an eye or go to war with cartels over one journalist. She's definitely risking her life just to film this show.
@@stonerman15 not sure why you think when someone enters another country their under the full protection of the united States government especially if your just a nobody journalist doesn't work like that.
It’s not the same as it was back in the day everything is synthetic now get clean if your still out there!!!
I Pray That We All Fight Our Addiction An We Over Come All Of Our Demon's We're Dealing With Everyday...... Please Stay Strong And Keep You're Head Up And Remember The Withdrawals Án The Sick Feeling Goes Away Within 4 Day's To A Week But It Only Gets Better If You Stop An Get Sober From This Hell Of A Pill/Drug
You Got This You Can Do It 💯🙏😇😊
I was hooked on smoking these for about 3 years.started at 19 doing Vicodin, Hydros, and Oxy, and cocaine. then when those weren’t enough or I couldn’t find any, these starting popping up on my radar. OD’d the first time I railed one, but that didn’t stop me from continuing to use them.. i just found a different way to ingest them. I’m now 24 and have 8 months and two weeks clean today. I want people who are on these to know that it is possible to kick them. Seek help I promise it is out there, I don’t want anyone else to die from this devil of a drug. 💔
🙌🏾🙏🏾❤
Hydros were the best. Loved the long acting dilaudid. Glad to be done with coke, personally, oxy and those. Cost me so much money and time and took a long time to learn how to feel good and get through a day without the pills. Used to eat them then started snorting them
I was addicted to painkillers at an early age. I had bad knee injury playing highschool football, the doc prescribed me perc 10's and at that time the oxys was coming around. It was game over for me. I finally got off of them after battling addiction for 15 years. I've been clean except cigs for 12 years. Always remember that you will be an addict in remission. If you get hurt don't let a doctor give you anything because it will awaken the demons inside you. Good luck to all of you.
No it's not that easy.....
@@troyshano6623 don't get me wrong it has and always will be a struggle.
That’s crazy! My parents go to Mexico to visit family and restock on medicine. From reliable sources but it’s very eye opening to see how easy it is to be lied too from “legal pharmacies”
Exactly omg !!!!! It’s so scary!!!
Pharmacies in Mex have no need to go to an alley and risk their own lives to buy meds when they can just order inexpensive meds from a pharmaceutical representative, legit meds in Mex are inexpensive. This video really exaggerated and made things look much worse for dramatic purposes. You might find some of the cloned meds from people on the street or swap meets but very unlikely from a regular pharmacy.
Heck even the Diazepam (that she confused with Xanax) she bought on the street ended up being real according to the machine.
Yeah mom does the same . Hasn't lately , but I told her if she ever does to don't do it . Unless it's prescribed . In fact I wouldn't even trust that.
so how often would you say your family goes south for medicine? ill help fund the trip, if mail me prescriptions i need
Let them know I need another 500 of them dirty blue 30's I'll let them get a notarized agreement to take up temporary residency for the winter months in My second condo located out in Mendocino again (they'll know the drill 😉).
I'm almost 60 years old, and I'm medication-free. So, I won't be killed by any of this, this is not a risk to me. I don't take any kind of meds, not from the U.S. or anywhere else. My goal is to never take any medications. I am healthy, and I will be healthy for the rest of my life!
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I bought some psychedelic product from a drugstore online they're very reliable ship discreet
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Hard to believe this all started from one family in the 90's now they sit pretty while our country descends into madness with a horribly tainted drug supply.
My cousin passed away yesterday morning at age 29. She leaves behind four children ages 8 to 6 months. Our hearts is just broken. This is exactly how she passed
Hearing a recovery story in the comment section is truly inspiring. I can relate everything theyy said. And I am here still fighting to get off from talking pills. Your recovery stories inspired me a lot. Thank you❤
Keep up the fight. Been taking subs for 5 years myself to get off PKs and it sucks. Basically feel like I traded one for the other.
@@Holy-Hand-Grenade-of-Antiochthank you lad and I fell you ma boi. Hope everything is doing good.
@@Holy-Hand-Grenade-of-Antioch how is it remotely the same dude, you feel sick on oxy 30s after 3 hours & subs prevent w/d for at least 24 hours & they're so much cheaper. Subs got me off all opiates painlessly by slowly tapering over the course of a year & prevented me from taking fentanyl
@@CoyotesRock760 thank you. I am trying. I just don't wanna see my Mom sad anymore She is so happy when I am Sober.
Kratom....
Important work your doing Vice ..
It keeps talking me to wireless conect but I don't got nobody's pass codes
These Vice journalists risk IT ALL for a story.😵 sis, you got big balls to be investigating drugs in mexico!
Bruh I swear
One of my friends who was only 16 with his whole life ahead of him just died last month on an overdose of percs laced with fentanyl. He was an amazing athlete , friend, and person to be around. The hurt in my heart from losing him is immense. He didn’t even want to die he just happened to take laced pills one night and then next thing you know he was gone. I’ve never done any hard drugs but after losing him I especially vow to never touch opioids. I have my whole life ahead of me and watching all these docus on this epidemic makes me want to stay away even more. Rest In Peace Landen ❤️
I have little sympathy from anyone who dies from taking fent laced oxy. Just because your favourite rapper sings about them, it doesn't make you any less of a junky for taking it.
@@JuanPablo-lt3us excuse me!?!
@@JuanPablo-lt3us you must be an angel
@@JuanPablo-lt3us relax bro, its actually a very good medicine when used as such
@@JuanPablo-lt3us until its someone you know you will have sympathy
I would delete this video if I were Vice.
It only gives the bare minimum of insight into fentanyl and the reporter was absolutely reckless. If it weren’t for the fact they knew she was naive, she could have potentially put herself or other innocent people in danger.
Dental care and antibiotics are so much cheaper there. Go to one of the large, well-known drug stores for safety. Those other drugs sound crazy unsafe. Sadly, medical and dental care in USA is outrageously too high.
My mother was diagnosed with fibro and for 10 years I watched her live a good life . Never abused her medicine . Only took it when she couldn't stand it anymore . Well when the opoid crisis happened . Her doctor gave her a month to come down of that medication . I never seen someone suffer more . They made people who had legimate chronic pain have to go to the extreme .
SAME thing happend to my mother!!
@@kayleytaber9998 made you angry huh 😡😡💢😡😡
@@kayleytaber9998 it's good to know that we are not alone . Funny how selfless she is . She would tell me "son put me in a facility " . Moments like that will bring out the hate out .
@yeah NO
My girl went through the same thing. She has PKD so they removed her left Kidney and they sent her home with Tylenol after getting her stomach cut open like a zipper, but "hang in there" They refuse to prescribe here in R.I. because of the opiate crisis. I lost my job because I needed to take her to dialysis every other day until we could arrange transportation. Now she's on deaths doorstep and I set up a GoFundMe acct. It's all about the $$$ - Nobody Cares....
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⬆️ Overdosing on fetnyol in Prison
😂 😆 it’s too funny!!
My family and I found my uncles body this April just days after a family retreat together.He was an addict for years, he was leaving to the Philippines this June to marry his fiancé and try and get sober, start a new life.Fentanyl overdose cut that happy ending short.Stay sober, your family needs you.
I used to be a drug counselor for 7 years. In the last 10 years I've known at least 300 people, out of those maybe 40 are still alive. I whish our government would do a better job keeping people supported and alive. Its very discouraging.
You cannot take drugs nowadays. Even pills. Unless you get it straight from a reputable pharmacy I would not touch an oxy perc hydro or anything
You know your Healthcare system is bad when you're going to Mexico for help so you don't go homeless.
yup..cant even get pain meds as a cancer patient its stupid..cant take pain meds but can drink and smoke weed
It’s all about profit. That’s why the government keeps marijuana illegal lmao
Yup everyone knows that meds pills for cancer go for 1,200 a pill , in Australia they go for 32 dollars a pill
Yup, growing up Mexican American them bills was expensive as fuxk, dentist and basic doctor check ups were alright, but lets say you want braces, injured back, or anything across the line. Instantly go to Mexico, never been dissatisfied, always professional and yes a lot of them bs. But where i am from everyone knows everyone and the trust is🤞🏽
Yeah it’s such a joke in the usa .. and then if you have money and insurance and have chronic pain they will just assume you’re a junky and force you to do meditation or some other bullshit instead of giving you the meds that let you work and be productive
Thank you for commenting on overpriced healthcare as a major contributor. I appreciated that sentiment.
that lady is soooooo lucky after crushing that fent up with no gloves dude
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They're on Instagram
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Well it is concerning but, as a Mexican I should say: You have to be on a high level of irresponsability to buy medicines in a tianguis (street market) here in Mexico City, even the poorest, the most ignorant people go to a Big Chain of phramacies like Farmacias Similares, Farmacias del Ahorro, San Pablo, etc., there they get a prescription by an exploited doctor, but a real licensed doctor. And they buy medicines that are inspected by COFEPRIS (the mexican equivalent to the FDA) medicines whose patent have been released, if the patent has not been released they say it to you. The first pharmacy the guy in the video visited looks plain crappy, I wouldn't buy anything there just to avoid being robbed, let alone buying fake medicines. No licensed pharmacy would ever, ever sell to you individual pills in a bag, you have to buy the jar or the box, it's forbidden to sell individual pills. The pharmacy shown at the end of the video I can say it's legal, the quality of the medicine you can get maybe won't be the best, but you can be shure it wouldn't contain Fentanyl or rat poisson. A legal pharmacy in Mexico would ask for your prescription with the signature of the doctor and would require you an identification (voter ID, driver license, professional license, passport) to buy any Bezodiacepines (Xanax, Valium, etc.). They would call the doctor to ensure he/she prescribed that medicine to you. I beg to Americans to not think this country is as shitty as you think, we have lots and lots of problems, but we aren't as lawless as you think, if you ever came to Mexico for medicines take into account what I say, get a medical checking and prescription in Mexico is not expensive, you can verify the doctor is licensed in the website of the Dirección Nacional de Profesiones, you enter the number in your prescription called "Cédula Profesional" or abbrevriated "Ced. Prof".
I would like to see them use the analysing equipment with a control of the actual drug they are testing along with the counterfeit.
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Are you trying to say the equipment isn't reliable, or pharma made oxy has fent in it as well?
The equipment tests against both fent and oxy every time. That's kinda the whole point.
Love your content! Stay safe everyone ❤️
That’s crazy that the guy let her crush and test his pill since you would have to waste some of it in order to test it. Most addicts wouldn’t be willing to lose even a microscopic grain of their dose and I’d know because I am one.
i got some. tore up my skin from itching. Then threw up. good times
Cartel member “everyone has a gun here.”
Reporter “cool, can you tell me what all you have here?”
hahahaha
Lmao
Well the guns aren't going to hurt anyone it's the idiots holding them
@@ohio72213 Thanks nostradamus, is there anything else you'd like to enlighten us with?
@@HelloImNoob2323 tf kind of name is jad lmao
13:25 the machine clearly reads “Diazepam” aka Valium - which is prescribed as 10mg being an average dose. Get better sources for your expert information I mean come on…
I knew they messed up as soon as they said 10mg xanax. There's no such thing and it clearly said diazepam which is the active ingredient in valium. Apparently the chemical analysis guy was a dumbass too. Active ingredient in xanax is alprazolam.
well it wouldn't be as shocking if they were absolutely truthful
Tbf I think they tested the pill that was claimed to be Xanax and it actually contained valium. I agree that he was misinformed about diazepam being alprazolam
@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow You're probably right. There's no telling what it was labeled.
She had a pack of Diazepam too. Maybe it's just the editor of the video who messed up. They probably filmed testing both and the editor didn't have a clue what was what lol. Can't see the testing expert not knowing.
the worst thing about fentanyl is that to get on suboxone you have to wait like 4-5 days or you'll send yourself into precipitated withdrawal which you would rather be dead than go through. if doctors would actually help people by giving them benzos to get through those early withdrawal symptons until they can get back on their suboxone, a lot of people would stop doing it right now. many people keep going just because they're afraid of those precipitated withdrawals.
YES!!! Dude exactly why I haven't been able to get clean yet myself. I don't get high when I smoke em, just do it to not be sick so I want to quit but I can't because of this! I even waited 3 days and took the subs around noon on the 3rd day and went thru precipitated withdrawals...shits worse then covid or anything u can imagine. Years ago they use to give you SUBUTEX for the first week when you start as it doesn't induce P.W. but apparently they either don't or I actually heard they're not allowed too anymore. Makes no sense. & since you can't comprehend the pain from WD and the craving from addiction till u go thru its so hard to get people to understand and get us the help we need