Marine Cpl. Ira Hayes, American Indian who raised the flag
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Marine Cpl. Ira Hayes was one of six servicemembers who raised an American flag on Mt. Suribachi during the Battle of Iwo Jima. Watch this video for details about Hayes.
Never heard his name mentioned once in school. That needs to change. This man should be known to every American.
Sad state of the School system these days.
@@jpstodwftexas It's not possible for every school to remember every one that was a wartime hero. Heck, they don't spend a lot of time covering WW2, which was 4 years long. The schools where he went should mention him and pass out his bio.
So true. Ira was a real American soldier hero. A man doing his duty
neither did they name the missing Marine who helped raise the flag that day and he was white he kind of disappeared into obscurity for 50 years he is the man to the extreme left with the chin strap hanging down and the sling on his m1 not on the rifle properly his name escapes me
🏅 He deserved this medal. R.I.P. 🌹. 👍🏻🏴🇬🇧🇨🇦
1 like = 1 salute to Ira Hayes.
He is a HERO, he is what America used to be. May his God grant him heavenly serenity
For this, he will always be remembered... But for who he was, We will always Honor and Respect him. Native or not, they served because they are American, not for the shades of their skins.
Indian he is, white that were born here has Indian blood in em, known as native american
@@chadzigler I have mine (1/16th Cherokee), as do so many other Americans. My grandmother, as she aged, really looked Indian.
He was a drunk tho Bc died Bc he drowned in a mud puddle after the war
Call it PTSD... We remember him for who he is.. Gila River Indian Reservation. I dare you... Ask me how I know.
@@ayokae.den0h455 he was drunk when he died and drowned face down in a mud puddle
Semper Fi Ira Hayes RIP Cpl Hayes. You were one hell of a Marine.
A lot of people forget that the men who fought and came back never really considered themselves heros. Most will tell you the heros were the ones who did not make it back cause they paid the ultimate sacrifice to keep others alive and the world a better place.
Gosh the ww2 guys were a breed never to be seen again but never forgotten by this guy
My great great grandfather!
TheTalon101 we must be related then. Ira was my great great uncle!
My uncle Perry was his good friend. They both went to war a teens. My uncle was 14 when he went. My uncle was a Navajo Code Talker.
J E Was Perry’s wife Sharon??
Yes
J E Do you know Victoria?
To think his own Fame may have helped worsen his PTSD and eventually killed him.. All for a country that 100 years prior, couldn't care less about his people.. rest easy marine, you deserve it.
The Statue didn’t cause him any trouble. You said it yourself, “post traumatic stress disorder”. Battle Fatigue in WWII language. Mostly not accepted. My Father was an Okinawa Marine Veteran. I grew up with many WWII veterans around me, I saw their heavy drinking don’t give a shit attitude, fights, high risk takers. So for your answer to Ira Hayes trouble it was PTSD undiagnosed cause the extreme stress of combat on Iwo Jima. Let’s finally realize and put emphasis on these Vets problem that affected them and their families all their lives. I am not critizing any of them. They are all hero’s and their efforts saved the world and made it what it is today. Let’s come together as a nation and stop the destruction of this fine nation by criminal political officials of any party. Semper Fi!
Well said...
I remember IRA Hayes when I was in Grade school. Late 50's
❤
Thank you Ira Hayes ! Sending honour and respect from Australia! He was treated the same way as was Australian FN soldiers .
Great story! 70.000 soldiers - 20,000 wounded - 6,800 died The flag was raised on the same day and the same hour I was born. I will never forget these brave men!
wow! that is interesting
Do you believe possibly, you could've been one of those Brave Men who lost their life that day, while being reborn or reincarnated into a new life that very same day ?? It was the way you said, "I will never forget these brave men".. If you do, I tend to believe you for a few reasons.. I also feel that I was here before too, during the Vietnam War and Civil Rights era.. I was born in the middle 70's, but there is too much I knew or remembered, as a kid growing up in the 80's...
Semper Fidelis, Ira. Marines remember you...as does a Grateful Jarhead.
The Veteran affair In lexington ky has been named after 2 of the ky marine that was inwo jima war. one of them die at the age or 19 or 20 years of age he is name at the Leestown Rd in Lexington ky. and troy bowling he live to be close to 90;s and he passed away a few year back. I remember him telling me a story about being at the iwo jima fighing, he told me that he got shot several time. and if it hasnt been for the reporter to move him and get him to hospital, he would have been dead long time ago. well they name the copper drive after him in honor of him. i have talk with troy bowling when i see him . i use to work at the VA medical center. till i had the heart attack . Troy were a great guy to talk to.
here is a ob of troy bowling, he had a story here where he were in iwo jima . www.legacy.com/obituaries/kentucky/obituary.aspx?n=troy-bowling&pid=185899017
I'm almost positive Joe Rosenthal never asked the Marines to raise the flag because it was a good idea for a picture. Rosenthal just happened to be there and just barely was able to get his camera ready to take his famous picture. I've seen interviews with Rosenthal where he stated this. You need to study more about how the flag raising transpired.
You are correct. The only Rosenthal directed photo was of the platoon under the flag after it was raised.
I know right.
The nursing home I work at has Joe Rosenthal and yes he did come up for the idea. It is in his personal history and one of the proudest moments of his life. We just had a life story night where he came, and he never does, to share it. He was very humble and almost shy about the experience. It was raised twice, once on the spur of the moment (recommended by Joe) and 2nd for the press.
@@Autobotmatt428 The nursing home I work at has Joe Rosenthal and yes he did come up for the idea. It is in his personal history and one of the proudest moments of his life. We just had a life story night where he came, and he never does, to share it. He was very humble and almost shy about the experience. It was raised twice, once on the spur of the moment (recommended by Joe) and 2nd for the press.
@@MauiMedicineMan The nursing home I work at has Joe Rosenthal and yes he did come up for the idea. It is in his personal history and one of the proudest moments of his life. We just had a life story night where he came, and he never does, to share it. He was very humble and almost shy about the experience. It was raised twice, once on the spur of the moment (recommended by Joe) and 2nd for the press.
He never thinks that he raised that flag...He had to live with stress and pain ..from the war.
RIP ira
He died Bc he was drunk and died I know this my grandpa was with him in formation
@@Kay2_short4U It's public knowledge he died that way lol.
@@staycxld people say he was a drunken Indian but never fully said in why
@@Kay2_short4U uhh ok?
@@staycxld so I was just saying how he died exactly:D
Ira H. Hayes is my great grandfather
Here is a story he didn't tell you and it shows Ira cared for his fellow Marine Harlon Block who was miss identified in the photo to set the record straight. in 1946, Hayes walked and hitchhiked 1,300 miles from the Gila River Indian Community in Arizona to Edward Frederick Block, Sr.'s farm in Weslaco, Texas, to reveal the truth to Block's family about their son Harlon being in the Rosenthal photograph. He was instrumental in having the mistaken second flag-raiser controversy resolved by the Marine Corps in January 1947. Block's family was grateful to Hayes, especially Harlon's mother. She said that she had known from the time she first saw the photo in the newspaper, that it was Harlon in the photo. Mrs. Block took what Hayes said and wrote to her congressman.
My very favorite story about this humble and honorable man!
Reckon they don’t teach much History in classrooms anymore. Lots of GREAT HEROES from WW2.
Rest Easy Brother.
the photographer did not ask the Marines to raise that flag.
In the movie...Sands of Iwo Jima...at the end, when John Wayne called for some men to raise the flag, Ira Hayes was in the group, along with 2 others. The others were looking at John Wayne. Ira was looking down at the ground, like he was embarrassed to be put in that situation.
the Navajo language saved your butt, mister Jason....
RIP
Ira Hayes
(1923-1955)
This man needs to be put in the history books, why has the indians always been belittled!.
rip uncle ira hayes
Kylee Gage I just said this to Talon in the comments. We must be related too, Ira is my great great uncle
We all be all related. I'm Ak'mil O' odham from Casa Blanca used to live in Bapchule. But I was to young to know about Our relative military career. I lived in Sacaton, Goodyear and the westend Komakee now live Ak-Chin Indian Community. I served 23 years in the Marine Corps.
I must be related to him as well. I have an uncle that is the sister of this guy who was dating this guy who's sister claims she was married to the great great uncle of Ira Hayes because her grandmothers sister has a cousin that got divorced from George H.W. Bush's ex brother in 1982.
i loved the old johnny cash song ira hayes
Beautiful the raising of the flag so hard fought for an I have always loved Ira Hayes
Rosenthal did not have an idea for a photo! He did not plan , arrange or choreograph the 2nd flag raising on Mt Suribachi. He also did not talk to any of the flag raisers, including Hayes. Later, after Rosenthal was ask who the Marines were in this photo, he didn’t even know. The whole story is so well documented, I can’t understand how you could repeat this rumor which was dispelled by all who were there, including Rosenthal. He actually almost missed the shot, and would’ve missed this photo if it weren’t for a Marine Combat Photographer who was standing next to him (Genaust) who warned him that the flag (the second flag) was going up.
May I have a reference for your statement? No offense.
@@marshmarla1193 The nursing home I work at has Joe Rosenthal and yes he did come up for the idea before the picture was taken. It is in his personal history and one of the proudest moments of his life. We just had a life story night where he came, and he never does, to share it. He was very humble and almost shy about the experience. It was raised twice, once on the spur of the moment (recommended by Joe) and 2nd for the press.
@@CM-hk8so he arranged the group photo after the second flag raising, he did not arrange the second flag raising. The second flag was bigger and it was requested by the Marine brass so that everyone could see it. You should get your facts straight, Rosenthal never ever said he arranged the 2nd flag raising. He arranged this photo.
www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna581741
@@CM-hk8so totally false. He arranged the “gung ho” picture with the Marines that were there only AFTER AFTER AFTER the second flag was raised and THAT photo was NOT staged. God almighty get your facts straight this has been DEBUNKED
I know who one was!!! My grandpa Walter K Hacker! He got a Purple Heart and actually did know hayes
Happy Memorial Day 2023. Many thanks to all our fallen Heroes. Lawrence Peel KIA April 28, 1971 Vietnam. Thank you Uncle Larry you will not be forgotten
a true hero , threres no words that i can even come with
My brother was with ira all day that day
God bless America and ira 🇺🇸🦅
My brother said he was a great man
The Ballad of Ira Hayes, a song made by Peter LaFarge and famously recorded by singer Johnny Cash. Listen to it if you have not heard it.
Another thanks to this American hero. God bless him and his family.
Everyone should know that Marine boot camp training is HARD and intense.The word was that the Indians went thru boot camp like it was a"walk in the park".Next Witness.
Ira Hayes, Semper Fi !!!!! Michael Straink from The Check Republic of Czechoslovakia was on the opposite side of Ira Hayes on The Flag Raising at Iwo Jima. Semper Fi to you Brother Michael from Mobile, Alabama, also Grand parents from Czechoslovakia. 1977-1983. Semper Fi !!!!!!!!
Saw the movie in early 60s/ to this day my remembrance of
Ira will remain with me until the
Day I pass on in life.☝️
My Dad knew Ira ! Paul J Kelly 4/25th
My grandfather did too!
I wish I could post photos here
My great great uncle worked with him in Iwo Jima.
Thank. You. Corporal. Ira. Hays. More. Than. Anyone. Can. Comprehend. For. Your. Valient. Un. Selfish. Heroism. Sacrifice. Rest. In peace. Son. ❤❤❤
Very poor account of what happened. There were not “a bunch of Indians” among those who ascended Suribachi, and Joe Rosenthal did not suggest raising the flag as “an idea for a good picture”. It was a larger flag to replace the first one that had already been raised. It was ordered to be raised by their superior officer as a replacement flag that would be more visible. Joe Rosenthal barely got the shot off and didn’t even know if he had gotten a good photo. Also, three of the six that raised the flag died on Iwo Jima. Hayes was chosen because he was one of those who survived.
Although i've read many articles and watched films and docs on Ira ,i recently attended a J CASH Tribute night ,remembering Ira ,his service, his life post war ,his tragic death .May Ira and Jonny find serenity.They have i've no doubt.
People keep saying the picture of the flag raising was staged. It was NOT staged. There was another photo taken later that was staged and when asked about the flag raised Rosenthal thought that they were talking about the group photo and said it was staged. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rosenthal
The Rosenthal picture was of the second flag raised on the mountain. The first flag was about or less than half the size of the flag in the picture. The General of the land forces that day ordered the flag removed and another (larger) flag raised, obviously this put soldiers at additional risk but we did get a pretty picture! The second flag is the the Rosenthal photographed! Who know who the guys who raised the first flag were.
So sad that many of our Hero's end up this way!
Goodnight CPL Hayes wherever you are!!!
My great-grandpa was friends with Ira during the war, and was on top of Iwo Jima with him when the photo was taken. After the war, Ira came here to Michigan to visit my great-grandpa and stayed with him and my great-grandma for a couple of days. I asked my great-grandma about it and she said Ira was a good man, but a terrible drunk. He would start drinking as soon as he woke up. My great-grandpa was also an alcoholic. They definitely suffered from PTSD, and coped with it by drinking
Ira Hayes suffered from Post Traumatic Stress and died in a shallow grave drunk. Completely unacceptable to have tossed him aside after war
They were Marines
still known as soldiers, no matter what branch
Ira Hayes had a terrible poker face.
You can see he hates every minute of beign a celebrity, but the picture where he's with his buddies he has a smile on, even though he's in combat.
A Indian Marine Code Talker
Raised that Flag.
Aho
You will never be forgotten and your children who are now surrounded by a invisible enemy called cv19.
All chiefs are watching globally YOUR GRANDCHILDREN have been singing and drumming dancing in regalia while on this order to stay home.
Another disease hits the people for what reason?
They forget Who we are.
Our hearts are heavy for my neighbors and their people .Those who survive will.and those who dont wont.
Our smoke signals and our code talkers had one thing in common
OUR LANGUAGE,
I hate when someone says "Indian" to describe my people. I'm Native American. Not "Indian", "Injun" and "R*dskin".
Relatively recent digs have unearthed ancient pottery maybe Chinese or Japanese, even. You are not the first to inhabit North America. And, yes, you are in fact an American effin Indian, like it or not.
I'm a native American, because I was born here and I'm English, Welsh, Scottish, Norwegian, and a smidgen Irish.
Here is Johnny Cash’s Tribute to Ira Hayes.
ruclips.net/video/vmNKspKUaTQ/видео.html
Ira had survivors guilt. He didn’t like being called a hero, as he thought the heroes were the ones who didn’t come back. The statue didn’t cause him any problems. He drank to try to get over his guilt of still being alive. He didn’t commit suicide and for this guy to suggest it is an insult.
what a great hero
Just amazing. What a amazing song for amazing person.
Johnny Cash has a ballad about him. Please check it out and listen. Sad story and he was a hero and am glad he is getting more recognition. Johnny Cash did it first.
My Grandfather was friends with Ira Hayes and fought on Iwo with him. My grandpa told me the troops and peers rejected him, for being Mormon, and Ira for being a native american. He said the troops were vicious to anyone that didn't fit the mold and some of those vicious marines met their fate landing the beaches and never could be cruel amongst the ranks like they were on the ships heading over the pacific.
No, you have some of this wrong. Back in 1961 in the movie "The Outsider," Hayes' PTSD was a major component in his struggle. You said "they" didn't know what that was at the time. The term replaced "battle fatigue," which replaced "shell-shock." So, there has been medical terms for this since the Civil War.
Got that from George Carlin.
If all indians had raised the stars and stripes
Frankly it would have been amazing but Marines don't care what ethnicity you are.
Honor, courage, commitment, that's what a Marine cares about, that and their fellow Marine.
We are terrified of failing our fellow Marines, we'd rather die the fail the man beside us.
VIVA IRA JAYES , VIVA AS NATIVE AMERICANOS , HONOR ,🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Our Corps sure slipped this fine guy the big green weenie.
that story you told is not entirely true.... There wasn't bunch of indians laying around...and Rosenthal didn't "ask: them to raise the Flag for a photo... he just happened to be there,... The statue didn't cause Ira's problems... his PTSD and drinking did
Listening to Johnny Cash song....- The Ballad of Ira Hayes....great song btw. And wondered if it was real. Sure enough, it is!!! Ira, a true hero. Became a drunk because he wanted to be with his fellow marines. Smh.
Salute and respect 👍🇳🇿
Watch Flags of are Fathers or read the book to get to know the real Ira.
Good man
Hank Williams SR Sang a Ballad for Him its on one of his albums
Weren't there two flags raised? A small one initially then the big one for the photo?
Imagined if all indians tht raised the flag it would be the biggest irony in human history...they raised the flag tht massacred their own..
Rest easy Ira Hayes, you were a very brave man. A casualty of P.T.S.D. So sad he didn't receive the medical or Psychological help at home , that may have saved him. And still society is not givng our ex war veterans the Financial , Medical , and Psychological help , they come back from war needing. Shame on all our societies and Governments for this!
Actually not how he died…. My grandpa was there when he died and it is a stupid way just ask me how-
Joe Rosenthal never did ask the Marines to do the second flag-raising, It was spontaneous as you can see on the video by Sgt. Bill Genaust who was beside taking footage when Rosenthal snapped his would-be iconic photo.
Rest Easy Ira, stand down mate. Sempers and Per Mare.
A tragic hero. I believe Ira Hayes died on Iwo Jima. What went home was an empty vessel. So sad.
Any of those soldiers can be my great great uncle
what was the name of the movie they made about him? It was the best.
The Outsider
Joe Rosenthal never asked the Marines to raise the flag, you are spreading misinformation. Secondly, Doc Bradley did not raise the famous second flag raising, he was on the first and smaller flag raising.
Semper Fi Cpl Hayes
At my age, I have always known of Ira Hayes. However, the commentator in this video has been mistaken about how the famous picture came about. It wasn't orchestrated by the photographer in advance. These guys in the midst of life or death battle wouldn't have cared in the least what some no-name photographer wanted, much less take orders from him. Most of the Marines felt that picture-takers didn't belong on the battlefield as they were not fighting the enemy and we're simply in the way. Furthermore, he said that "a couple " of the flag raisers died. Get it straight, will you ? Three of them didn't make it off that island alive, having been killed in combat along with thousands of others. Nowhere have I heard that Hayes wanted to be with his outfit rather than staying home. It was John Basilone who insisted on going back to be with " his boys " and not the Indian. What's the matter with this guy, anyhow ? WRG.
WHAT A GREAT AMERICAN**********
Johnny Cash did a tribute to Ira Hayes. Tony Curtis did a film about Ira Hayes. BTW they the Indigenous peoples or the people.
He, Bradley and Gagne never rose the flag. All 3 went to command together and told them that yet command forced them to say they did and forced them on the bond tour
Iwo Jima, hardcore battle.
see that... a true American!
Joe Rosenthal never asked the Marines to raise the 2nd famous flag raising. Joe Rosenthal barely made it in time to take that famous picture. You are spreading misinformation and trying to change history. Further more the Navy Corpsman Doc Bradley did not participate in the 2nd flag raising, he was in the first and smaller flag raising, in fact it was Harold Shultz and not Navy Corpsman John Bradley raising the 2nd flag. It says a lot about the man Harold Shultz was, he never spoke about it to correct it and went to his grave in 1995, this man was a great Marine. I have enclosed the story on this and the Marine Corps confirms and accepts that John Bradley was not one of the 2nd flag raisers and possibly not even part of the first and smaller flag raisings. Why he never admitted this is a mystery, maybe he felt best to leave it alone for the benefit of the country and the war bond drive. The man in this video is wrong and he should correct it.
Harold H. Schultz and John BradleyEdit
The Marine Corps made a public announcement on June 23, 2016 stating that Marine Corporal (then Private First Class) Harold Schultz was in the Rosenthal photograph of the flag-raising and Navy Corpsman John Bradley was not (Schultz is now in Franklin Sousley's named position in the photo and Sousley is in Bradley's).[2] Schultz and John Bradley were both present at the first and second flag raising and Sousley only the second raising.
Bradley, who died in 1994, gave few interviews, at times saying that he raised the flag, pitched in to raise the flag, raised the second flag (he also said he was on, and not on, Mount Suribachi when the first flag was raised).[55]Bradley was usually tight-lipped after the war about his wartime experiences, including both flag raisings and did not attend Iwo Jima veterans reunions. He often deflected questions by claiming he had forgotten.[56] During his 47-year marriage, he only talked about it with his wife Betty once, on their first date, and never again afterwards.[50] Within the Bradley family, it was considered a taboo subject, and when they received calls or invitations to speak on certain holidays, they were told to say he was away fishing at his cottage. One of the few interviews he did was in 1985 at the urging of his wife, who had told him to do it for the sake of their grandchildren.[57] Following his death in 1994, his family went to Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima in 1997 and placed a plaque in memory of John Bradley "Flag Raiser" (made of Wisconsin granite and shaped like that state) at the spot where the flag-raising took place. At the time of Bradley's death, his son James claimed he knew almost nothing from his father about his wartime experiences.[50] James Bradley spent four years interviewing the families of all the flag raisers, and in 2000, published Flags of Our Fathers, a definitive book on the flag-raising and its participants.[58] This book inspired a 2006 movie of the same name, directed by Clint Eastwood. Schultz died in 1995.
Photographic comparisons gathered on the first and second flag-raising which were made public in November 2014 by Eric Krelle, a history buff and collector of World War II-era Marine Corps memorabilia, strongly suggested that John Bradley was not one of the actual six flag raisers.[59] According to this research, Franklin Sousley was in the fourth position (left to right) instead of Bradley, and Harold Schultz of Los Angeles (originally from Detroit) was in the second position, previously attributed to Franklin Sousley.[59] Initially, Marine Corps historians and officials and others were not willing to accept these findings.[60] On May 2, 2016, the Marine Corps announced that it was investigating the possibility that Bradley was not one of the flag raisers and Schultz was, a fact they confirmed on June 23, 2016.[61] James Bradley has also subsequently stated that he no longer believes that his father was one of the six men in the Rosenthal photograph.[62][63][64]
John Bradley never said anything because in reality he was a coward and saw all these men getting killed so when the opportunity came he left iwo. Reason with yourself either you raised the flag or you did not. John Bradley knew he never raised either flag. 100 percent yellow belly.
Can it be true that Bradley wasn't one of the six and not even one of the men in the 1st flag raising ? And his son has now made huge money from a book based upon an untruth ? That is absolutely devastating.
@@xxxbrooklyn that's the way you can only look at it. One wonders why he never came clean on this and another reason why he never talked about it with his family and why he told his family if anyone calls to tell them he's not home.
@@swftsildedly basically he could never talk about it because he was not there!!!!
My favorite marine
Ira Hayes was one bad mutha!
Death doesn't care what race or color you are
unless you're Trump, he prefers whites
we all bleed red
I wish that man had never taken that picture
By there feet you can see what appears to be a whale bone. That area in particular must of been some sort of ancient ceremony grounds.
Blacks hung out with Blacks, Indians hung out with Indians.....He forgot to mention that whites hung out with whites.
Semper Fi Marines, Vietnam 68-69!
Johnny cash made a song about this glorious soul
My grandpa is in the vid I think Bc my grandpa is Walter K Hacker Marine soldier you fought on the same mountain as Ira Hayes! And also stood right next to him in the formation Ira hayes died Bc he was drunk and drowned in a mud puddle right after the war
Rosenthal never said that “hey guys let’s raise a flag” I have no idea where this guy got that from but it didn’t happen. You are making a totally false claim here
Ira hayes. Call him drunken ira hayes he wont answer anymore. Not the whiskey drinking indian nor the Marine that went to war
How sad is this.....?.
@@bellanniepickles quite sad when you learn the entire story
@@The_General_Owl - You are so right!!
Joe Rosenthal did not ask the Marines to raise the 2nd flag raising. Rosenthal got to the top of Surabachi just in time as the 2nd flag raising was going up and barely missed taking the picture. Rosenthal later asked all the Marines to line up for a photo shoot with the raised flag behind them. How do I know this, my uncle Tommy Burke was there and witnessed the whole thing. This Navy guy is talking out of his but and he's dead wrong. Also my father was in the Navy on a troop transport the MS Boschfontein a commandeered Dutch liner converted into a troop ship. He witnessed the 2nd flag going up his ship was the closest to Mt Surabachi. Don't listen to this guy he's wrong, just look up a video of Joe Rosenthal talking about it for yourself.
ruclips.net/video/2QUjtMxBfKI/видео.html
An image for the ages....can anyone see it, and not feel it?
OORAH
He probably felt all the guilt watching his buddies dying while he was back home doing tours for war bonds... Poor dude
We dont feel guilty doing what we're trained for.
@@Jeep-Life yes ur not trained for war bond on tours..ur trained to kill
You all know it was raised twice. Once for the first time and the second for the press.
Joe said he came upon them swapping out a small flag for a larger one that could be seen from all the island.