My BMW M3 is broken. How I saved big money fixing it myself | Road & Race S04E15
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- This time on Road & Race I try to figure out whats failed on my M3 then attempt to repair it myself. I hope it’s not gonna be too expensive….
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Thermostat is traditionally one of the easiest things to replace but how wonderful of the BMW engineers to make it so moronically difficult
On the N/A i6’s its a much more simple job to be fair.
First rule of second hand BMW ownership.....NEVER call BMW for anything!
I like to order single crush washers and other very cheap parts from my dealership.
Just, don’t ever go to a car dealership for your problems.... they will over charge.
That feeling you get when you realize you just saved yourself a cool grand and increased your skillset a bit more.....
True that!
So true. The money saved is only half the gain, the new skills learnt are worth it when keeping the car and if the car is worth your time and attention
You the man Neil
Lol, so kind of you to say Nick!
You have some balls doing that job. I would scared to break something or meddle with something I don't know and effect performance of car.
Great job! One thing I learned sbout cars is that you could nearly do everything by yourself with the right equipment and the help of the web. You just need to have the confidence to start with smaller things and work your way up. Patience helps also. Of course some things will break as you learn but its still way cheaper than giving it to a dealer. But what I‘ve learned is that you often do it more precisley than a professional and you‘ll learn so much more about your car for future repairs. As you said, if you unbolt these things the second time, you will already be much faster! Keep it up!
DasSparschwein your profile picture is damn nice !
Nice one! Must be so satisfying to identify and rectify the problem yourself. Not to mention the monetary savings.
Great for having a go mate , a simple task on most engines, The bmw being a little more tricky due to all that plastic in the way . 👍🏻
Smart move! That quote was crazy considering what was involved! Certain things are best left to specialists but this isn’t one of them!
Top work. Im still amazed at why people pay the dealer for relatively simple work. Also the chances are if you do some work yourself you will likely take your time making sure everthing is good instead of just trying to beat the book time for a job.
And if you had lots of money to afford BMW dealer repairs and service then just buy a new one with warranty.
Your idea of creating this series of DIY on the E92 M3 is a great one. Owners like me really appreciate your work. I hope the value of your channel shines as bright as gold°
Thanks so much for your kind comment Markendy, it means a lot.
I have owned BMW's with high performance engines throughout my entire entire life. If you only had to replace a thermostat during your ownership of the s65 engine so far, I must say; You are very lucky my friend! Keep it up!
Well done for tackling that job and for sharing! Please keep posting these great videos!
Very good video and confidence building for DIY mechanics. Thank you!
Caught a number of your videos before and found myself following you back through central London to south today and recognised your car, I was in the silver E92 M3 behind.
Car was looking good- those rear wheels first caught my eye, they look particularly deep dish!
Cool. Thanks mate! Sorry to say I didn't notice unfortunately Yeah, they are big wheels, the Competition pack type.
Did wonder whether the coolant should have been drained at 6:30. However, I've never really changed much more than a bulb so respect to you. Good vid, thanks for sharing. That V8 tho! Drive a E92 330i myself. Love to have a blast in an M3.
Love your videos. You look genuinely friendly and honest which like myself, an E93 M3 owner appreciates.
Thanks mate, so kind of you to say!
Road and Race my pleasure. Hope my 10 plate M3 stays strong. Although it’s not my main driver and only my ‘Sunday car’
Neil, I give you big props and much respect🍸just for tackling this outside in the winter weather and racing against the daylight.
Lov your videos man!
It definitely takes time the first time around- but as you stated, you then become proficient and more capable. It also takes time to make the videos but that’s what my channel is all about (empowering others). Good work
true DIY spirit
Brilliant video, so well filmed! A large number of "how too's" don't show the bolts needed to access in nearly as much detail as here.. how it should be done, great work!
Thanks mate, so kind of you to say!
Fantastic video thanks! Currently have an E46 330ci, and even when I diagnose all the problems myself and just want to quote a replacement (ignition coils being the latest), they always insist on the £100+VAT diagnostics. Absolute joke, it's a complete rip off. About to swap mine in for an E92 M3, so this has given me confidence that i can so the same sort of jobs I've done on my E46 on the M3. Thanks again.
Brillian job Neil. I will certainly look for your diy if my M3 gets the same problem. But it would help a lot if you could give us the part numbers in the description :D. Well done again!
Really great thing to take from car maintenance is that, yes it is harder to do it yourself. But you can learn a lot more about your car and overall can better fix your car after all the while saving yourself money.
Well done, my e92 330D is equally as much a pain in the ass to work on but never be afraid to give anything a try! the satisfaction at the end is worth it alone nevermind the massive cost saving! Lovely car bye the way, I've admired them for a while maybe one day.
Well done for having a go ! .... I remember years ago replacing a cam belt on my Peugeot 205 1.9 when Peugeot wanted silly money and there weren't people out there wanting to do the job.. so I thought can't be that hard !!!... I set about 8am on a sat morning setting out all the tools I thought I would need and off I went...... it was at 3pm it dawned on me what a bleeder of a job it was to do with blood dripping from my knuckles and sweat pouring from my head😂...... but I do remember the satisfaction I felt and of course the cash I saved... then again I was young and brave back then I don't no if I would have the energy or the no how on a modern car now... great vid and what a great car you have👍
Wow, big respect, I can see why they wanted so much to do the job, I’d have happily paid it but would love to be able to do what you’ve done!
Cheers Ste. Give it a go, you’ll be surprised that’s it’s not as hard as you may think! Check out Series 1 for my beginner guides?
Huge respect for getting the job done yourself, top job. Gives me hope 😄👍👍✅✅
I’m ready to pull the trigger on one and your videos have been a great help and source of inspiration.
It’s quite daunting for someone with limited mechanical knowledge, however I’m whiling to get stuck in.
Give it a try. You won’t regret it.
Very good job! Thanks for sharing the diy tool list on your website. Very useful for a novice like me.
appreciating the camera work in this vid - how you got the shots of the screws on the jubilee clips under the top tray was impressive.
Cheers. A good zoom lens helps!
Brilliant. Love a happy ending . Totally hooked on your m3 vids. I want one myself but these horror stories about sensors and rod bearing issues scare me and like your friends say, they bought the RS and the 140i with warranties. Huge repair bills on the E92 scare me so much but i love your vids and actually tempting me back in to getting one. Cheers again
Well done! BMW's are known for being tough to work on, think that's why BMW themselves charge so much for the work you queried about.
But you've shown with research perseverance and the patience to soldier on that the rewards are there and achievable.
10/10.
Nice job! That is a great feeling when you do something yourself like that. A little unnerving, but nothing can beat that sense of accomplishment.
Well done and thanks for sharing the very informative website too.
thermostat failure like this is still better than in an e36. my straight 6 had a thermostatfailure where only the "small" coolantcircle was operating, causing the engine to overheat.
6:02 START IT UP WITHOUT THE AIRBOX!!!! HEAR THE ITB MUSIC!!!!
Always have a go. More Clio updates please. A mate and I will be buying one in June. If prices stay low. Good job.
I'm only a few weeks new to your channel; here to see 182 stuff, but this was a nice unexpected video. Great to see such varied content. Excellent work on e92, it's these kinds of jobs that makes you think you can conquer the world. Love the phone dropping humour too. Looking forward to more videos! Thank you.
And the dealership wanted over a grand for the work. Well done! Proud of that job Neil.
Great video! Prangs me out the thought of having to take off the intake plenum
Suggest you invest in a battery powered Milwaukee 3/8 drive Makes removing the jubilee clips a lot easier and quicker. The reward for all that work is the view of those awesome throttle bodies.
one thing I've learned that makes it all easier, remove the cowl, opens it up and give you more space for easier access lol, been watching for a few now man.
I'm a DIYer and love your video Mate! Well done!
Hi, very much enjoying your videos, thanks.
LOVE the V8 M3!! Have had an E92 335d and now got a F31 335d.
Really nice and informative video.
The thing is, as far as i know, coolant is pretty bad for the environment. We once had an argument and we might have put some on the gras infront of the garage and there might be no gras growing for a year now.
Most BMW main stealers charge around £150 an hour, plus the compulsory diagnostic check, daylight robbery. And not to mention the price of parts!! £90 for a thermostat housing for my E46...I got one online for under £20!!
Hats off to you, very informative. Pleasure to watch
Thanks so much Theo. Glad you enjoyed it.
I just concur with all the compliments already made, top video!
Thanks mate!
Excellent video and well done for diving into this project fearlessly!
Cheers mate. Was a bit nervous about it but it wasn't too hard in the end.
Even with your conservative estimate of 6 hours labour, including filming, how on earth would BMW be able to bump this to 1100 pounds for this repair?
Yeah, tell me about it
This is an excellent walkthrough. I’m glad I have a tiny N52 inline six with a much smaller intake manifold, it’s frustrating enough to take off 😂
Nice work! You have the patience of a saint, not sure I could have pulled that one off, but again, job well done!!
Thanks Michael. Yes you do need to dedicate some time to it.
Thanks for video.I use scotch for removing glues and cleaning parts instead of screw driver to avoid scratches which might cause leaking.
on some models you can drain part of the coolant like 2l by taking the top m10 plastic bleed screw off connecting a tube to the hole and start the bleeding procedure (ignition on, heater on max temp, fan on lowest press the acceleration pedal 12s)
for people wanting to drain the coolant completely for whatever reason beware that if the electric pump stays dry after a while it can become stuck and will need to be turned by hand otherwise you can damage the engine
Very similar to replacing the throttle body actuators. I was quoted in NYC $3500, actuators cost $1200 for the pair. That plastic intake plenum is a b*tch to get on and off though, easily the most annoying part. DIY all the way!
Thank you for the detailed step by step explanation and visual tips!
Very well done mate, confidence inspiring for other m car owners
That looks a lot easier than the E46 M3. I did my water pump last week and it was a pain!!!
Brilliant..you have to respect the guy that has a go
This is a great channel and deserves to get much, much bigger 👍👍👍
Big thanks mate.
Superb vlog that , people do not realise how hard doing that sort of fiddly , first attempt disassembly is to do on your own driveway in the middle of winter and having the correct tools in your arsenal to complete the job , without realising you do not have a special implement to finish it off, been there done that , you really must have the patience of a saint, brilliantly filmed and edited as always , that T.I.S website was a brilliant find, I have all the workshop info on a" technical information service " dvd installed on a laptop along with inpa software and ncs expert coding software. All bought on ebay for £50 ish quid.
Wow, I need to get me one of those!
Here you go, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-DIS-V44-V57-SSS-V61-TIS-V8-INPA-EDIABAS-DIAGNOSTIC-SOFTWARE-USB-DCAN/191978600084?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 you will need the d-can cable for the usb to obd 2 connection, included with the pack, i also have a foxwell NT510 handheld which i keep in the car when im on my travels, this gizmo even codes batteries.
you sure killed that dyi I'm truly impressed .
Well done mate. I love the way you're always willing to give it a go. But I guess if you're saving that sort of money it makes sense
Call me ambitious or stupid but I always prefer trying it myself!
Fair play to you sir!! Bet you had fun getting some of those jubilee clips back fastened again!
Another great vid mate!
I don't believe there many videos out there on how to remove the intake and thermostat for an E92.
Great video. Just goes to show how much you can save if you’re not afraid to get your hands dirty.
Sheesh is a screwdriver really a good idea to clean the gunk??
Good work
Nice job! Everything seems pretty tightly packed in those engine bays. I thought my E46 was snug!
I had an E90 335 for few years, and during my time with it the only thing to go wrong was the water pump (mine had about 75K miles). BMW quoted me over $1500 for the job. I decided I'd do the job myself. Parts and coolant were about $500, and, after finding a great RUclips tutorial by Bavarian Motor Sports, I was able to tackle the job myself. Took me about 4 hours. 4 hours and a RUclips video saved me $1000.
Good work!
You did well dude. This stuff on expensive cars worries me.
I love this guy. Love how he loves his m3. When I get mine I'm going to love it hard. Love love love. Anyway. Awesome video.
Big thanks!
That was really fun. I have heard BMW can charge an arm and a leg... How hard was it getting the hoses back on all eight throttle bodies? Off is one thing, but back on? Was the coolant super expensive? Porsche is pretty proud of theirs. Did you cut it 50/50? Your bit with the phone was great :) Well done! F
Thanks Fran as always. So kind of you to say. The hard part was taking it all apart. Went back together very easily. I used Comma coolant which is cheap and I diluted it as per the instructions. Thanks, I always try to add a funny bit where I can!
BMW always charges ALOT. I have an e90 330xd LCI and I had to clean my intake - They wanted 2500 Dollar for it.
Hence there is a 911 in my garage in replacement of that E92 M3...can't afford to walk on thin ice with that rod bearing thing...
Neil, you've definitely helped allay my fear of buying a BMW of any sort! Great vids.
Thanks Nicholas. If you take your time most jobs aren’t too difficult.
Great Job. Brave man Neil!
Great video, very informative and saved yourself a small fortune!
I emailed BMW recently on the cost of a door handle insert. The cost - Aus $600 (300 pounds) for a piece of plastic !!
scanspeak00 bmw=be my wallet
scanspeak00 someone hit my Quattroporte with 20km/h on the front. €10000 damage. Just the grill was 1100. Brands have gone mad with parts replacements
At least its not a Thousand dollars like a Telsa S model electronic door handle. Tesla's are in the same boat as they are endless money pits especially when the warranty runs out. There is just too much unnecessary electronic complexity that can go wrong. Electric Falcon doors are just not needed as these cars will bankrupt you.
Well done lad thats the trouble with new cars you have to remove loads of stuff before you get to the bit you want to fix !
You are the man, fantastic confidence.
Big thanks Lewis.
I did this job about 3 weeks ago, using the exact same parts for the same prices (FAE 33155 coolant temperature sensor from Amazon for £13.31, and Mahle THD179 from eBay for £21).
Four things I learned from doing the job it:
1) Getting that bastard vacuum pipe back onto the back of the plenum chamber took twice as long as the rest of the job. If I ever meet the man who decided to put that hose there...The issue is when putting it back in the hole on the plenum, you need space to get your hand in there to firmly squeeze it in until it clicks. Unfortunately, you have to do this job with your fingers alone. I finally did it by putting the vacuum hose back into the plenum at a slight angle, to get one side of the clip to click in first, then levered the other side of the clip until it clicked.
2) The plenum must be seated properly for the jubilee clips to do up firmly (otherwise they'll feel loose when you tighten them, because all they'll be doing is squeezing the rubber seals). You may think you have seated it firmly, but the chances are you haven't - on the underside of the plenum, on each side of the 8 intake holes, there are two protruding oil PCV plastic clip things that lodge into a rubber diaphragm on the top of the engine. These should sit flush with the diaphragm when they are in properly. A number of times I seated the plenum, and thought i had it done properly, only to see I could fit my finger in between the diaphragm and the PCV protruding bit. The best way to get this to happen properly is to put all your weight on the top of the plenum, and rock it side to side and the protruding pieces of PCV plastic should go into the diaphragm fully.
3) Buy two new O rings for the two pipes that go into the engine block, and enter the back of the thermostat housing that. They cost pence from BMW, but if you get the car back together and you haven't replaced these old, hardened rubber rings and they start to leak, you'll swear lots.
4) For god sake, ignore anyone who says you don't need to drain the system. You just need to empty the coolant reservoir with a syringe or something. If you don't, when you remove the thermostat housing, the pressure generated by the weight of the water in the reservoir will cause the water to start overflowing from the thermostat housing, most of it draining into the V of the V8. You will then spend the next hour sucking up every bit you can from above the engine, getting the nasty sticking horrible glycol all over your hands and on your driveway causing a giant mess/environmental damage. Ask me how I know this...
Well Done Neil. 👍
Thanks Michael 👍🏻
Well done bro! Also had a broken engine in my M3... fixed it too expensive I think 😂
That was pretty ballsy of you mate! It’s quite a tight compartment and a very complex engine so I’d be afraid of screwing something up, but you went at it no fear. I love how you go all delicate and then crowbar the damn thermostat out hahahaha. Great job!
Had to crowbar it - it was really stuck in there!
Well done, I just fit a z4 gearbox into my 525i (As the previous owners killed it :/ ).
The weather was not nice to us lately.
Btw at this point your confidence to change something more complicated is right it's just time, but same procedure.
Working on your car is fun and frustrating on the same time.
Well done, keep up and keep making these vids!!
I might change my 525i to a 4 door m3 for v8 ;)
Go for it!
Well done, you have more guts than me. I’m happy to tinker with my 1.6 Astra :-) not sure I would take an M3 apart.
This is a great channel. I’ve only discovered it recently and have been watching videos when I get the chance. I was drawn to the Clio videos because I also have a track Clio 182. I have previously owned BMW’s in the past and absolutely adore the E92 M3. Excellent channel and clearly lots of effort goes into producing the videos. Well done thumbs up !
Thanks mate. So kind of you to say you like the channel. Have you done much to your Clio?
Road and Race Hi Neil I’ve substantially modified the Clio however I have not tuned the engine just concentrated on the handling and brakes. I’ve removed anything that isn’t required to improve reliability and reduce weight. Mods include :
Bilstein B14 Coilover kit
Pure Motorsport top mounts and strut brace (front)
Powerflex camber bolts
Powerflex dog bone mount for the gearbox
KTEC solid engine mounts
Ferodo DS2500 brake pads
ATE racing dot 4 brake fluid
Brembo HC discs
Goodridge brake lines
16mm front wheel spacers
Stud and nut conversion.
10mm rear axle spacers
-1degree camber shims rear
Speedline Turini Alloys
Air con delete
Power steering delete
Scorpion RS 192 exhaust and decat
Ramair induction kit
Valeo cast water pump
Sparco Rev bucket seats
6 point harnesses
Sparco 6 point cage
Stripped interior
Sound deadening removed
Remap at EFI Runcorn.
I’m quite meticulous about routine and preventative maintenance the car has done 10 UK track days and One Nurburgring trip. The only major issue encountered was power steering pump failure at the Ring
Tjshill82 Wow, you’ve done a fair bit. Must handle amazing now.
Road and Race yes I decided to go all out with it. It’s just so much fun on track.
You may have done this off video, but the belts should be checked for cracks on the ribbed side.
Insane - this is almost $2000 Aussie dollars to just unscrew a few bolts.. Thanks for sharing .. fantastic channel.. Very informative !!!..
Nice. I just had to replace a coolant manifold on my boxster 987. Had to drop the engine! Gotta love german over- engineering
Top video mate . Well done for attempting it your self.
Haha, just had this happen to my 2011 M3 last week. Took me maybe 45 mins to replace the thermostat and sensor. I'm pretty sure the book time for the labour is 4-5 hours. No idea why.
The dealership always states they need to run the diagnostic tests to be certain of repair needed. It's actually used to upsell more unnecessary repairs.
I'm surprised your car didn't tell you what's wrong. Whenever any issue pops up on mine the display will let me know. It also say take it to the nearest BMW dealer.
Well done mate!
This dude does these videos right!
Thanks mate!
I'm with you - face the fear, save the cash. Now, I must also confess to growing up in Yorkshire 😉
Well done mate, you've done well!
Brilliantly done. Good on you.
Nice video, I'm thoroughly enjoying your channel! Makes me a little less hesitant to work on my E39 540i, though nothing much has broken in 3 months of ownership. *Knock on wood*
Glad to hear you are enjoying the channel. Go for it!
Well thats not so bad! Ive bought BMW Insured warranty with my recently obtained E92 but only for the rod bearings.... tbh I am wondering if I should have bothered. Perfectly capable of doing something like this. I have to service it at BMW as well, about £400 for oil/micro. I bet you could have the intake off to get to other bits in no time atall now.
Nothing beats working on your own car! GW
Ah the halfords professional 1/4 socket set , best socket set in the world , everyone should have one
Good job mate! New subscriber here from Montreal, Canada!
Well done and thanks for the upload