The Boeing Scandal Is Getting Scary
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"An exit door in the middle of the plane fell off ..." -- that is false; an unsecured door plug blew out. I've heard enough.
Do some f-ing research before you make a video. You're full of inaccuracies in this.
Barnett's death was especially suspect as the questioning by the Boeing lawyers was complete : he would only have faced the questions from his own lawyer : he was applying for compensation from Boeing.
Blaming the young Ethiopian pilot for that crash was so disgusting. He tried very hard to save the airplane. Apparently Boeing was just warming up.
One of the worst parts of the story.
Boeing insinuating that the pilot was incompetent was believable early in the investigation.
Then the full story came out. I would be enraged if I was a family member of that poor man.
Boeing management not only murdered him, they tortured him all the way down to the ground.
The media and company always blames the wrong person.
Like this recent one, the blame should be on that idiot bimbo flight attendant for being careless and clumsy but instead the entire focus went on “DA PLANE HAD ALMOST CRASH!!!!!”
that family should be compensated for Boeings Hurtful statments !!!!
Ethiopians don't exactly have an international reputation for competence, so it was believable. Agreed though, scapegoating the innocent pilot was disgusting conduct.
The snootiest comment iv read all day, but its good that you atheist have grace.
What matters is not ones race or nationality it's accreditation according to international standards. If a pilot or doctor or facility is certified by accredited body that's all that not that something is somali or Ethiopian.
We can see that Boeing is a Caucasian corporate company that has clearly cut corners leading to loss of life. So race shouldn't factor here.
crazy how you can kill hundreds of people through what can only be described as criminal negligence, and still get to continue doing business as usual.
without their regulatory capture of the FAA, none of this would be possible
revolving doors are a serious problem
shareholders are the new god. it's been the law since 1980
Don’t forget about the whistleblower they literally killed :)
Typical american company
I saw someone describe Boeing as a weapons dealer that has a side hustle making civilian airplanes. This is pretty dead accurate.
Taking a part out of the scrap metal bin that you 100% know is defective and putting it on an airplane to meet a production deadline is beyond negligence that's criminal!
Alec Baldwin faces a manslaughter charge for firing a prop gun in a movie that somebody else was responsible for. How the HELL aren't Boeing execs facing manslaughter charges for something they're directly responsible for?
Excellent point
The DoD and exports. Boeing is one of the biggest suppliers of aircraft to the US military and they are one of the biggest US exporters. They're the airplane equivalent of too big to fail.
wasnt he the producer of rust
They Have TON's of MONEY and they OWN Congress!
Simple, one is a person, and the other is a mega corporation in bed with the US Government.
"If Its Boeing, I'm Not Going"
How the turn has tabled
If its not AirBus, I'm taking the bus
i rather embrace embraer
@@brianadampratamaI was going to post “remember when people said …”, you folks beat me to it.
I wonder if those diehard Boeing fanboys are still ranting their line?
@@jer1776 I'm afraid of flying so at this point I think I'll just take the bus anyway LOL
They need to stop allowing companies to settle and start facing real punishments.
Hey! You guys knows the routine. Finish pff this court, and it's business as usual. Get back to work!
Then they need to end corporate personhood and allow individuals to be held accountable instead of fining corporate entities.
For whistleblower John Barnett, who had fully packed his bags ready to leave and called his mother to say he would be home on Sunday and extended his stay by a day on the request of Boeings lawyers and then found shot in his own truck in the parking lot with the gun in hand. This is so suspicious that it could be a crime thriller movie...... its just not adding up except for there to be foul play.
Boeing whistleblowers seem to have the same fate as ANYONE with dirt on the Clintons......
The most disturbing thing I think was the videos of the journalist that got a job at a Boeing facility and was asking all the workers if they'd fly on one and most of them said no
😮😮😮😮
@@wintermonroe2894 the one dude I remember saying yes said "yeah idgaf I kinda got a death wish"
@iDamn!! 😅tsme7570
It was another worker with a hidden camera acting as a source for the journalist. My only problem was that the worker only mentioned unskilled labor as the problem. It's a lot more than that, but I'm willing to bet he's likely underpaid for his own experience and won't rock the boat too much himself since finding another manufacturing job with comparable benefits in Charleston is next to impossible.
It was an Al-Jazeera journalist (not working at Boeing) who had a hidden camera and asked workers if they would fly on the planes they built. None of the workers said “yes”…
Let me guess, hotel cameras malfunctioned 2 hours before the incident?
Lol you (and I!) have seen too many movies and TV shows buddy!
@@stockmagician7683 It's not just fiction, read about how they tried to cover up the Epstein fiasco by stating that a PRISON had malfunctioning cameras.
@@stockmagician7683 IIRC that's what happened to the cameras in Epstein's prison. Not just fiction lol.
@@stockmagician7683...Epstein story......not a TV show......
@@stockmagician7683 Epstein dude, another famous case of Arkancide
They definitely killed that second whistleblower. There's no way in hell he commits suicide as is in the middle of a lawsuit against Boeing.
...and he SUPPOSEDLY committed suicide in his car in the parking lot with all his clothes nearly packed and ready to leave, too.
They reckon his lawyers had told him it was going well and he was likely to win too.
I’d say the chance of Boeing murdering this guy is about 1%.
@@le_th_ ... is anyone following-up on any kind of police report about the "suicide"? If so....Do those reports indicate powder burns somewhere on his body at the entrance wound? If yes....then it *could* be suicide.....if no....then the firearm discharged some distance away, and it was not suicide. Was it Charleston police who have the lead on this investigation?....does anyone know?....where is robust investigative reporting by the "news"? Disgusting lack of follow-up and follow-up reporting.
@@TheWilferch at this point, no point trying to figure that part out i think. The authorities has decided it was "suicide", and the powerful people up there will make sure it stays that way, even if they have to forge evidence. And even if it does get ruled as a murder, bet a fat chance that the bosses at boeing who gave the order out will be left untouched, while the guy with the gun takes all the blame, who knows, maybe he'll commit another "suicide" in prison before telling a name.
Welcome to America, I guess.
As someone who works in the oil and gas industry's manufacturing side, its insane to see the total lack of traceability in components in what is such an important industry.
Agree....work in the (related) industrial gas industry.....producers of oxygen, nitrogen , etc. The lack of traceability/accountability being rerported, is beyond belief.......
Funny how similar this sounds working at my job. They make you sign documents constantly talking about safety of various forms, they preach about it constantly. But when it comes down to the work, absolutely nothing matters except getting everything out for the day. Not your health, condition of your vehicle or the weather. I work at the post office.
Boeing was either indirectly or directly killing the whistleblower. Boing indeed is a killer.
Harassment/bullying that leads to a final end should be seen as some type of murder (involuntary homicide?)
They hired someone
Agreed ...either directly or indirectly
or a major shareholder may have done it
And the media will completely cover it up. Just like that female reporter from the Panama papers died in a car bombing and the media completely stuffed the story both on the papers and the murder.
Small correction....The whistleblower wasn't found dead in his hotel room he was found in his truck in the car park of the hotel that he was staying at.
Never end a sentence with a preposition. That's second grade stuff.
@@purplesprigs not anymore. the language has changed and now it is fine to end sentences with prepositions. get with the times; you need to.
@@purplesprigs So how would you structure that sentence?
@purplesprigs
Well arent you pedantic? This is the internet, not your hometown. Not everyone here speaks English natively.
@@purplesprigs You are technically correct. Bimmer's argument is thus invalid.
It is extremely alarming that seven items are obviously being kept quiet: 1) Was the suicide note in his handwriting? 2) Did it say he was going to kill himself, or not? 3) If it said he was going to kill himself, what was the reason(s)? 4) Was that his gun? 5) Was that gun recently fired? 6) Was the slug the same caliber as the gun? 7) Were his fingerprints on the shell casings in the gun?
After this much time, we can never possibly know if some suicide note that is presented in the future, is even the note that was found in his truck.
More.....was there evidence of burn marks near the point-of-bullet entry on his body?. If not....he was shot at some distance ( even a few feet) and therefore was not suicide. Who is the investigative "lead" on this?....Charleston police?....others?....where is the stout investigative reporting that was once done in the past?
There needs to be an investigation. This is a joke if we're just supposed to believe the official story.
Most importantly, are the police really taking the case seriously? With the possible involvement - especially by remote control - of Boeing and maybe with the defense connections, even the US government, police are also probably reluctant to delve at all deeply.
There is no chance the Boeing whistleblower did that to himself
They totally killed that guy
Boeing to the whistle blower :
Your going either way.
We can make it look like you comitted suicide in your truck or we can make you fly on a Boeing 737Max. Your choice.
Absolutely
Airbus was playing Factorio while Boeing was playing Hitman Trilogy.
Someone called the Clinton hotline...
Sadly, you are correct.
I work at Boeing. The McDonnell Douglas side (military side). Since we hired Harry Stonecipher from GE, we’ve had 3 GE executives in charge of Boeing. They aren’t engineers, haven’t worked on airplanes and aren’t passionate about what we make and who we make them for.
Like Jack "Neutron" Welch school of management?!
@@piotrd.4850 They graduated from that. Boeing wasn’t a holding company like GE. GE bought and sold companies. It operated more like a VC company. When we merged, I used to look at the job reps at BCA. They used to require a commercial pilots license for Chief Engineer. Prior to Stonecipher, we hired from within.
Anything or anyone remotely associated with Jack Welch are pure garbage.
GE has a lot to hide. They were financing the NAZI party plus testing weapons systems before WW2 at the UW. They stole several patents.
Maybe you should have mentioned he was shot dead the day before he was supposed to testify. And he had said, if he is found dead, it's not suicide.
And it wasnt in his hotel room, it was in the parking lot.
You say it's irresponsible to speculate, I say it's irresponsible to be in denial.
It is also possible that he got it into his head that he had to kill himself and convince people it wasn't suicide in order to draw attention to the case. Maybe he saw it as a noble sacrifice. It's going to depend on the evidence. Him saying "if I die it wasn't suicide" doesn't really mean much.
@@sauercrowderok😂 Boeing compensating you with a few shares of stocks?
@@zachhoward9099 I'm just explaining a possible alternate scenario, as I said the evidence may point to one or the other. Hopefully there is evidence and a real investigation, because it certainly looks suspicious.
@@sauercrowderThere is evidence. They found the gun still neatly in his hand, finger perfectly on the trigger, and no burn marks anywhere. If you know anything about firing guns you know that is not what a suicide would look like
You got couple things wrong.
1) Boeing didn’t even tell pilots that the new planes have MCAS system.
2) Time to notice MCAS system has been activated, notice it’s malfunctioning and then attempt to disable it is 5-10 sec. That’s unrealistic and unacceptable. Please refer to PBS documentary on this issue.
There's a book about this, called Flying Blind. In flight simulation, experienced pilots who knew the incident was coming could not respond in time.
profit maximized, safety minimized, lives sacrificed.
... and asses covered.
It's what happens when the MBAs slime their way past the engineers on the corporate ladder.
Lives sacrifized.
It's the new national anthem
'Murica!
The whistleblower was murdered.
The executives are held responsible for the successes and profits, it is only fair that they should be criminally charged for those deaths.
"Shoots" himself in the head, dies, and then the gun is still in his hands? Sure...
He loved that gun so much! 😭😭😭
If any detective made this call in a normal case they'd be deemed incompetent at best, but when it's done to a whistleblower it's suddenly totally plausible
The software didn't glitch, it worked exactly as intended. The problems were:
1. The software depended on a single source of data/sensor, with no redundancy, which is a big no no in general.
2. The software automatically activated when certain conditions were met and could only be manually deactivated one way (two ways if you count activating the autopilot, but I wouldn't, since that would not always work and could deactivate itself again, too).
3. Neither the existance/details of the software, nor the conditions for activation, nor the way to deactivate it was communicated to pilots, airlines and mechanics/supports, or even mentioned in the manuals, and, if I understand correctly, it wasn't properly acknowledged in the certification process either.
Boeing committed the aerospace cardinal sin... A single point of failure.
I think that could be called a software failure.
@@hemaccabe4292No it's hardware if anything
It may not be a bug, but it's absolutely a software malfunction, which can be defined as "any time the software behaves in a way that does not align with the user's expectations".
It's more broad of a category of software failures than a bug/glitch, but it's certainly a failure nonetheless.
The software worked as intended, so it's a failure in design, not in software... but man, having no way to manually override that is fucking insane.
When company is managed by MBAs instead of real engineer this is what happen 🤡🤦♂️
Or when MBAs try to be engineers instead of just hiring them
Boeing was found by an MBA business man you genius
@@txn4yt7mc5 Oh yeah, how "LONG" is your position on BA? 🤡 Founded, managed, run it's all different thing lmao. Show me your strike price 🤡📈🤣
Also when it's a near-total monopoly and does not need to answer to any market forces any longer. Also, when we allow companies to buy back their own stock. They are not incentivized to make better planes. They are incentivized to maximize that income stream.
I mean, when your regulatory inspections are performed by your own employees, there's probably some awkwardness.
These greedy bastards needs to be prosecuted. Just sickening
Unmistakable signs of the corporate dystopian era getting comfortable.
CEO who oversaw the collapse of Boeing's reputation, walked off with 60m. Reward for failure.
That churns my stomach! He should be in prison
Yep, it's the American way.
I'D LOVE TO BE DOGSHIT AT MY JOB, ABSOLUTELY FUCK EVERYTHING UP, THEN GET PAID GENERATIONAL WEALTH
Golden parachute, every time.
This is so clearly corruption, and murder. How the F is no one in jail for this?
Same reason an ex president isn’t. Money, power over industry etc, people will kiss arse to be in those circles.
@@oo0Spyder0oo You mean the next President?
Hypocrisy of these ppl. You’ll be rotting in jail if you hurt someone. Them, nope
It takes time😮😮
Defense contracts.
Greedy people and companies think there is no end of increasing profitability. There is no such thing as endless growth.
Friendly reminder: was it a year ago when it turned out that SINGLE LADY BEFORE RETIERMENT was arbitrarily changing tests and criteria for steel of which US submarines are built and it was discovered only when she was training replacement?
That's what happened when you put bean counters incharged instead of real engineers.
This is what happens when the Douglas side of the company had more power than the Boeing side. We see a repeat of the DC-10 saga.
Has nothing to do with engineers. They were for sure engineers...
Engineers get shit done and make it happen. Give them a blank check and great time windows, and you'll receive marvellous results. Squeeze them on a budget and a breakneck deadline, they'll sacrifice small details for a generally finished product. The problem with the airline industry is that a 0, 01% chance of failure is unacceptable, this isn't the place to gamble.
Exactly.
@bog4240 All said in this comment. 10 to the minus 6 or 10 to the minus 9 is the challenge. I am so personally hurt by what is going on at Boeing. I worked for Airbus HLS and this broke my aviation heart. Boeing is no more a transportation system for me. The trust is gone. Forever. No aviation company ever did sth. like that. We all were honorable engineers and people giving lots of ourself and free time, took lots of compromises in our lifes. For something criminal like that. It is hard to deal with. Even whenit is good for our European biz at Airbus.
Criminal behavior has become standard operating procedure in the corporate world.
Yes it has.
Sadly, the ROI is great.
seems to be 'a thing' at the White House too.
Somebody needs to replace the CEO and deal with faulty management. Before it’s too late.
It's not aerospace, but I work in a machine shop making medical devices, and we're also regulated and bad parts can kill or maim people. One of the things that gets brought up in training but people tend not to internalize is that you *do not* half ass inspections or work. If the production targets are high enough that you can't meet them you have a responsibility to tell your manager, you don't just pencil whip things and put them through and hope they're good. Ideally, that goes up the chain and they set more realistic targets, figure out other procedures, or assign someone to help out. Worst comes to worst though, the fact that you raised the issue and documented the problem means that your ass is covered if something goes wrong and an investigation happens and they're going through the chain of custody to figure out where the problem happened. If you passed the bad parts without doing the work just to make rate though, you're on the hook for falsifying documents.
You're not working at walmart, give a shit or get out, same goes for working on planes.
The Boeing CEO is interviewing to become CEO of BP oil company. BP needs someone who can "apologize sincerely" without really meaning it so that they will be ready for their next major oil spill.
Lol. Whatever happened to the BP CEO who wins the award more most honest/boneheaded comment of the century.
I hear the CEO position at Oceangate is open.
When drillilng, spilling is inevitable. But Mr. CEO seems nervous. CEO's job is basically acting. It doesn't seem like a good idea to act nervous while delivering an apology speech.
@@angelainamarie9656
You may be right! However, I'm not sure if the Boeing CEO is a "deep" enough thinker for that role.
@@satunnainenkatselija4478
Mr. Boeing CEO may have promised to take a "I'm not scared" flight on a Boeing product. I too would be nervous in that position!
If a CEO is paid millions in salary and millions more in bonuses, they should be legally liable for any failures of the company, civil or criminal, if their actions or policies are to blame for any harms.
That’s not enough to scare them. Include their families who enjoy the benefits of the ludicrous compensation as well. A nefarious executive may be willing to behave unethically/illegally for their own gain and be comfortable to risk their own skin. But if they had to witness the imprisonment/execution of their progeny, they may have second thoughts.
Not in the US. In the US, publicly traded corporations are mainly run by psychopaths and, to a lesser degree malignant narcissists and narcissists. Ruthless greed is the standard in publicly-traded corporations because the fiduciary responsibility is to the SHAREHOLDER not the public. It has always been this way in the US.
Short term shareholder value not long term. I dont care what will happen with sucker i sold my shares@@le_th_. Maximising shareholder value works in system when people keep their shares for a long time
IF they knew AND did nothing. Normally when you're that far up you don't know more than 5 or ten employees well. You can't blame the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs about that Tailhook grape stuff, he cannot be everywhere.
You have fingers for a reason. People cannot manage more than 5 subordinates directly.
edit '5 fingers'
Great video. I have seen a number of reports on this topic but you managed to highlight a number of details I hadn’t seen before.
Well done!
I'm so sick of corporate greed 😡🤬
They cannot get answers from the people who make the doors for planes? The bolts? The managers are on sick leave? What?but if I miss a car payment they can find me! This is nonsense
DEI Hiring.
Yeah, they forced that manager onto sick leave...or...in fear for their own life, that manager LEFT on long-term sick leave due to extreme psychological stress.
@@v8infinity8it's not that at all. That's a scam being pushed by people trying to absolve Boeing Management are saying. It's because Boeing were outsourcing all their work to not pay employees.
@@v8infinity8What does DEI have to do with this? Clearly they cut corners for profit and now are hiding
There are reports on what happened. Basically, Spirit, a subcontractor of Boeing, has been delivering faulty parts to Boeing (and also Airbus) for a while now. Boeing inspectors found serious manufacturing defects in the door plug, and told Spirit to fix the issue. Spirit literally painted over the issue, which Boeing rejected, and told them to fix it again. The repairs were completed, but the missing bolts were never reinstalled, and never inspected after the door was reassembled.
But before you go thinking that it's 100% spirit's fault, Boeing employees didn't report and file the issue correctly. Boeing has an internal software system for reporting issues, which has mandatory follow up inspections for specific problems. The employees chose to file the door issue as a related repair, which did not require the bolts to be reinspected, to get the job done faster, and avoid working with the awful software system. Instead, Boeing employees send a message in their company Slack channel, which was never followed up on.
Boeing is just as much at fault for the door issue due to mismanagement, bad processes, and bad software. There's a reason that Airbus also receives parts from Spirit, but doesn't have the same issues Boeing does. Boing fired a huge number of quality assurance inspectors over the last decade, claiming that their software systems would replace people inspecting things with their eyes. Obviously that was a giant mistake.
If you're wondering about the authenticity of this information, there are pictures from the final assembly, clearly showing the missing bolts on the door before that plane was reassembled. Thankfully, Boing at least took pictures of the inside of the plane, and they weren't able to delete information like they did in their current legal situation. Boing has been trying to hide and cover up large amounts of information, because they know they're in deep deep trouble. Just look at the NTSB representative's face at 13:18 when she's talking about how Boing has been refusing to give them the information they need for their investigations. This whole situation is so much worse than we know.
John Barnett didn't kill himself.
Lot's of enterprises are having their Boeing moments while nobody is watching.
Boeing just no longer able to keep it under the rug like many others.
That may well be true. However Boeing's products make their quality issues a tad bit more serious.
I mean, if FIFA 25 is full or bugs no body dies, but they are making planes lol
@@ericka.montanez6821I feel like he meant more along the lines of how billion dollar companies have slaves in other countries to get the materials they need for 1st world countries products (e.g. The congo and chile, many more)
Boeing can't hide because they have too many issues. Others may have issues but not as many as boeing
@@Lqvy2Chile is not a third world shit hole with save labor, the DRC on the other hand...
All about the stock price and shareholder bonuses
I was a key management official at a supplier to both the Boeing 737 program and the Boeing 787 program. Is sadly extremely accurate this report. I could confirm and add to many of these types of scary situations from my direct experience.
Definitely *not* self-inflicted.
As self inflicted as Epstine.
Straight out of Netflix's American Conspiracy.
About as self inflicted as any of putins detractors.
Barnett was straight up unalived to keep him quiet.
You can say "killed", we're not on the Chinese government propaganda video app
he was murdered. not "unalived"
at this point they're out for blood, and will silenced any US citizens that protest against them like how they handle the Whistleblower.
they won't be satisfied until every single Critics are gone.
never their fault, it's always other people who are deliberately get in the way of their Bonus & Promotion.
@@SupernaturalSaltGame ended
@@philtruhe bit the butt
For some reason I just can't trust companies that feel the need to call in hits on whistleblowers.
Boeing is one of those "Too big to fail companies"or maybe too important to fail. Basically there are 2 companies in the world to buy planes from so that is a problem. This is one of the cases where the government needs to have more input into the operation. The world needs these 2 companies. The quality control is no different than the FDA inspecting our food. When our food has an issue one or two people die. When a plane has a problem all the plane passengers are gone.
if the gun was still in his hand it is a big deal
There is literaly an interview with a belgian coroner who says one time he unruled a suicide cause made by the policemen as he found the gun in the victim hand he stated than a gunshot blow is too powerful and a gun never stay in the hand of the people who commit suicide.
So if he had a gun in his hand someone put it there after he shot the guy
I wonder if the hand gun was registered to him? That would answer if it was a suicide or not. Should be easy for law enforcement to check that.
Barnett was planning to return home the day before he was found dead and told his mother the Boeing lawyers insisted he stay one more day.
His belongings were all found folded and packed like he was ready to leave the hotel.
It's crazy this guy was so lax on security. I would definitely have a gun on me and a few motion sensors set up in the room.
This is absolutely disgusting.
There's a possibility he sacrificed himself so Boeing will get investigated
@@CrackBabyZachesthat’s not going to help if you’re against boeing
@nb6525 I know, the guy was toast. I am not even sure if I can say what he needed to do without being shadowbanned. If he stopped an assassin and his buddy or two, he needed to take "involuntary guests" at the hotel.
When the situation would escalate to a stand-off, he needed to broadcast his message thru all media outlets and make national headlines. He would still wind up dead 100%, but the scandal would be unignorable.
Excellent program by Frontline on this issue too, scary stuff.
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate for the CEO to end that speech you featured here with "and that's why I fly in private jets!"
What are they trying to hide?
Safety isn't a priority!
To me, that's very, very scary!
One of the largest Defense Contractors on the planet. Reminds me of Michael Hastings Mercedes exploding in LA and the LAPD's rapid investigation. The only reporter following the story from San Diego put out of work and we've never heard another word on the Hastings' exploding Mercedes. A traffic light camera records 3 explosions. Mercedes says: "Our cars do not explode." Hastings' next book was on the opium from Afghanistan. All his book-notes vanished.
When will executives at companies like this see prison. Anything less will not discourage the shortcuts that led to all this.
Never, our governments are funded by big corporations!!
Really good foresight into letting this industry self regulate 🤯
6:44 this answer alone should be enough to put this person in jail..
I recall hearing somewhere that in europe, management could be criminally liable for these tragic accidents. We should adopt that in US.
They can be. Executives go to jail everyday for committing crimes. Look up white collar crimes. Also, individuals can criminally charge anyone. A story for another day
Unfortunately the rule of law doesn't exist anymore. There's so much corruption at all levels now in America.
Boeing is both a US defense contractor and one of two suppliers to NASA, so perhaps they think the government will go easy on them or simply let these incidents fade away. The US government should suspend all business with them until these issues are resolved and the documents being withheld from the NTSB are released. For a company like Boeing, more focused on money than safety, this will get their attention.
They’re too busy trying to get Trump…🙄
It's election season unfortunately. No one is going to risk hurting a 'valuable U.S. employer.'
That's pretty much impossible. Boeing is way too big to fail; it's too important for the US economy and military, the government simply cannot suspend business with them. Instead, the company should be nationalised and the board of directors replaced with investigators and engineers. Once they've got the rot rooted out, the firm can be re-privatised.
Private sector will put the commercial aircraft line out of business soon enough.
@@triplem2003 NASA may put Boeing into failure when the Starliner doesn't fly to the ISS.
It should be implemented by law, that a alledged suicide of a whistleblower should be investigated deeply, no matter how much it looks like suicide.
Whoever thought suiciding the whistle-blower really made a HUGE mistake
Unfortunately, it'll blow over and a lot of evidence that could've crippled Boeing won't come to light (even if they didn't do it). Given how short sighted people are they just need to have good / no PR for a while and people will forget.
Small correction. It wasn't a MCAS software glitch but a faulty AOA (angle of attach) sensor. To save money they used only one AOA sensor input to the MDAS system instead of two which borders on criminal IMHO. Sensors can and do fail and if it tells the computer that the plane is in danger of a stall, MCAS lowers the nose based on this input and keeps lowering the nose until the situation is unrecoverable. Pilots initially were unaware of the system with no instruction or training on how to deal with it. Reportedly they had only 10 second to recognize and deal the problem before it was unrecoverable. All this to save a few dollars plus assure airlines that no simulator training would be needed.
hey, you gotta increase those quarterly profits somehow
Recovering from an MCAS malfunction may or may not have been technically possible -- pilots who tried various ways of estimating or simulating it disagreed on whether it was possible, but almost all of them said it would be extremely difficult. Most of them could not directly experience it because there was only one true MAX sim in existence -- some of the pilots that Boeing allowed to try out MCAS activations on that sim also said it was potentially really tricky.
The pilots on the first plane that crashed had zero chance of correctly figuring out on the fly how to handle this surprising, confusing, and deadly situation. Not only did Boeing put them in that place by concealing the differences between the old and the new models, but afterwards they were more concerned with saving face than saving lives and sent out a communication to pilots that basically said, oh hey, there's this wee tiny bit of software we forgot to mention, just read our one-hour presentation about it and use the standard procedures you're trained in, no biggie.
They absolutely did not want to sound like it was a big deal, not only so as to save face about having concealed it in the first place, but so that no one would demand that they ground the planes while they implemented a fix.
The Ethiopian pilots read this little communication and it was not enough. Most likely nothing short of practicing in a sim could possibly have been enough. So yep, ground the planes.
The MCAS system was the wrong solution in the first place. That airframe was never designed for these huge engines in the first place. Then they decide to go ahead with this unholy marriage by taking the pilot out of the loop in an entirely novel way, Then they decide to not even tell the pilots that there's a way to force themselves back into the loop if the situation turns into an emergency.
@@afterthesmash Yep. The tragic irony is that MCAS was even installed as a "solution" to a non-problem (a problem for the company's pocketbook, only) since with a couple of adjustments and above all a new type rating and new training for the pilots the plane would handle just fine. Using software to fake flight characteristics identical to the old model was a cockamamie idea -- and an unconscionable one.
It was not technically a glitch, because the software functioned as designed. However, it was incredibly negligent software design. There's no reason the software had to blindly trust a single sensor. There were no safeguards. It could have disabled the system on disagreement between the two angle of attack sensors, or if angle of attack readings were contrary to information from other sensors.
Spirit built the fuselage, but Boeing uninstalled the plug door to fix some rivets and never reinstalled it correctly.
They also classified it as a "door" not a "plug", and since there are minor inspection procedures for doors, it was not inspected they way it needed to be.
DEI at work.
That is what I've read.
Yea Spirit has definitely made a few fukups but Boeing can't blame them for this one (or the defective software they had developed in India).
Either way their quality assurance systems are sh!thouse.
Boeing's CEO is a prior GE executive. That was always a culture where anything that gets in the way of this quarters numbers will not be tolerated.
The unofficial story seems to be that after delivery to Boeing, they discovered the pressure seal on the door plug was damaged. In order to save time, the door was simply opened and the work was done while still attached at the hinges, rather than removing the door entirely. As a result of this corner-cutting, no paperwork was generated and no post-work inspection was done, both of which would have been required if the door had been removed.
and people wondered why snowden fled the country
2:15 a lot we don’t know but a lot we do, a company with black book government contracts had a beef with him, he told his friend if he is found dead regardless of the circumstances it isn’t suicide. Cmon man, I consider myself a top rate skeptic but let’s not kid ourselves on this one.
Wow am I a whistleblower now? I worked for the second largest aluminum mining/smelting/casting company who extruded boeings aircraft hull, fuselage and other parts.....and I have Sooooo much to say about how that company did not give a rats about standards, sent pitted extrusions and as a metalurgist the grainage in thier castings continued to decline year over year with all of the talent on how to fix it was pushed out by "the union".....CEO split the company in half sticking one half with abysmal prospects and layoffs galore, and the other half took all the stock and value with it then was let go by the board to save face......the aerospace industry is twisted.
If it was possible to pass a law that all airplane company board members must fly on their planes, safety would drastically improve.
and their immediate families as well..
Yeah, they did it. You know it, I know it, they know it and they know that we know it.
And they don't care.
The Clintons have been offing people for decades and nothing has ever come from it. People in power can do whatever they want
Last time I flew to Benin/Africa with Turkish Airlines - it was MAX 8 or 9..
I realized what I am boarding at the last moment. and I've never drunk so much alcohol in order to not give a sh1t..
Now I have child and I will never gamble like that again!
A340 - no death and no crash
A380 - no death and no crash
A350 - no death, no major incident and no crash
A220 - no death, no major incident and no crash
A320 NEO - no death, no major incident and no crash
A330 NEO - no death, no major incident and no crash
Dish soap as lubricant? I doubt even Jakovlev stooped that low at any point of their existance. It's an airliner not a tractor.
Correction; the plug door falling out is not a structural failure. It is a failure; but of other things
Wuality cotnrol failure
When boeing have no problems sacrificing thousands (crashes) for profit, killing one roadblock shouldn't be an issue for them 😢
Given his 32 years at Boeing he would have had a great pension so I suspect he wasn't hard up for money. In fact, I haven't heard any potential reason at all given for suicide.
Since then one wheel fell off and one plane lost power mid flight...
Don't conflate the issue.....this clould be a possible maintenance issue by the airline.
@@TheWilferch could be anything, really.
@@TheWilferch
A340 - no death and no crash
A380 - no death and no crash
A350 - no death, no major incident and no crash
A220 - no death, no major incident and no crash
A320 NEO - no death, no major incident and no crash
A330 NEO - no death, no major incident and no crash
This a much larger problem with corporations in all industries prioritizing shareholder profits above all else. Trains derailing, planes crashing, all because of greed.
And why not? All that money keeps the individuals responsible from being held accountable.
Sure, blame greed when they're allowed to. Maybe start blaming politicians who want to deregulate everything and the voters voting for them.
@@gottagowork plenty of blame to go around. I’m in total agreement with you. The FAA has been sitting on their hands for way too long themselves and not enforcing safety standards. Politicians allow them to continue doing that and the people voting them in need to wake the hell up before they get sucked out of plane 10,000 feet up.
@@gottagowork I’m actually in total agreement with you.
East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment wasn't accidental, or corporate greed. It was intentional, although I'm not sure why. Smart city? Land grab (Maui, Texas, Chile)?
@@timmholl9238 should probably lay off the conspiracy theory sites. They were using a break system thats been around since the Civil War because they didn’t want to spend the money on upgrading. It’s that simple.
Boeing is opening the door to China’s plane company since the main thing they had is quality reputation.
brazil too, Embraer must be kicking their chops!
@@Ragon_Reel Embraer planes have the lowest crash rate in the industry.
The C919's entire production run will easily be absorbed by the domestic market for years to come.
Though Comac made it's future intentions on the international market clear with their appearance at the Singapore Air Show.
Don't show up with my thesis!
Americans hate this thesis.
@@0HOON0 ya, but every plane China build for itself is still 1 less plane Boeing could sell... it will hurt the same regardless if it is domestic or export.
ASEAN already flys Comac planes... just not the newer C919. they are really here to sell their regional jet.
my family is a boeing family, from renton, both my grandpas worked there, I have an uncle who was an engineer for boeing since the early 90s. last year I asked him if there was any planes he was concerned about because him and my other uncle who works there as a manager have had negative things to say. He started talking about the max, this was a few months before the side blew off the plane, so i can confirm the people on the inside who I know have the same exact types of things to say
I worked for an aerospace company right next to the Boeing plant in Everett. While I had my issues with Boeing and their accounts payable process (it is impossible to call someone to talk through an issue on the phone and there are always issues), my major issue was with Spirit. I said over and over again, I would think twice about flying on a Boeing plane knowing Spirit had built parts just based on their mucked up accounts payable process. While mostly facetious at the time, I am really not surprised by the blow up of this issue. Companies don’t run this way just where you can see it - the culture goes all the way through.
They killed him, obviously
The question is ...who will have the courage to expose this scandal?
coffeezilla had a video but quickly deleted...
Nobody because Boeing is deeply entrenched in the US government. It's defined as strategically critical to the USA's manufacturing, technology and defence superiority and is a key pillar in it's corporate power projection.
@@FightTheByte_ sounds like we should nationalize Boeing then
One did (Whistleblower) and was killed.
@@cellobuddy251agreed nationalize it and stop transferring money from tax payers to shareholders.
Next do the same with airlines, trains, critical defense manufacturing ect.
It's weird that the airline let the emergency door seats empty. Good in this case, but usually the attendants will ask for the volunteers to fill them
This was an emergency door. It was a plug that hide where an emergency exit could be added later. It was covered by a wall panel.
@@Inkling777 so.... It was a "fake emergency door"?
There are a slew of small (but important) errors in this video. The whistle blower was not found in his hotel room. The MCAS crashes weren't a "software glitch" they were the result of sensor failures (which caused MCAS to crash the plane). It wasn't a "chunk of the fuselage" that fell off the Alaska Airlines plane, it was a door plug that wasn't secured after removal for remedial work at Boeing's factory.
I gave up after half of the video. If you can't (or can't be bothered) to get this stuff right - which would only take a little bit of research to clarify) then I don't trust any conclusions you might draw.
"his warnings were ignored"
well, technically they took note since he claimed retaliation 😕
With all the failures and air crashes, FAA should wirhdraw the air worthiness certificate for Boeing. FAA is failing in its duty and should resign.
Seriously? Do you think the FAA are going to get rid of their own jobs??? Think that through, maybe...
McDonnel-Douglas merged with Boeing back in 1997. How are American, Delta, United, Jet Blue and dozens of other airlines around the world going to fly if they pull every single Boeing certificate???
THINK.
They won't do something until the public refuses to fly Boeing aircraft.
FAA and Boeing are in bed together making love with each other.
Too bad the US gives rights to companies, it should be peoples lives over companies
the best argument against Boeing is asking their suits to board those planes
Boeing 100% unalived the whistleblower.
I've never been scared to get on a Boeing in my life. I've been proud of our aviation traditions. I'm about to go somewhere, and I'm TERRIFIED of getting on a Boeing.
Hmmm. . . Southwest has been exclusively flying Boeing aircraft for its entire 57-year history and has never landed an airplane outside of an airport. There have been three flight ops-related fatalities in the company’s entire history. Not three hundred or three thousand, but three total, as in one more than two and one less than four, and only one of those people died during a flight (following an uncontained engine failure; note that Boeing doesn’t build engines). The other two died on the ground in a car that was hit by a plane which ran off the end of a runway, but yeah, sure Boeing airplanes are very unsafe. I mean, obviously.
You're an easily led, BRAND CONSCIOUS CONSUMER who refers to things by their corporate corporation name. Keep learning from the internet, Babylonian.
@@Willtellthetruth Only a couple of years of history with the Max. I don't think anyone will argue that the classic and NG models were safe aircraft, it's the recent models that are concerning.
Southwest is the largest operator of the 737, but we'll have to see what happens.
McDonnel Douglas merged with Boeing in 1997. Boeing STOPPED being Boeing in 1997 and was destroyed by the psychopaths at McDonnel Douglas, and this currently psychopath of a CEO Calhoun.
Since they left Seattle all downhill
They killed that man
Management at Boeing is beyond horrifying example of Jack Welch practice
A lot of whistleblowers at Boeing have been suddenly stabbing themselves in the back while shaving?
Everyone I know who got hired by Boeing out of school, exactly fits the cultural bill - only care about cost savings / cutting corners / short short term thinking
The gun was found in his hand. In a real suicide the gun is never found in the person's hand.
Only 1/3 of the time is closer to the truth. I think he was murdered
The Max is a death trap 😢
I’m genuinely curious, can you explain why it wouldn’t be found in their hand?
Is that true or have you made it up ?
@@TheNotSoFakeNewsIt's simple logic, you have to hold the gun up to your head with your arm, your arm goes limp when you die, guns aren't extremely heavy but heavy enough to fall easily especially if fully loaded.
@@haileykieu7253 I have no stats whatsoever. But my guess is that since the gun produces recoil when fired. Recoil an average person normally can handle, but which a person with a freshly blown out brain might not.
I am so glad that many airlines now allow you to view what aircraft you would be flying when you make a reservation. I will never fly a Boeing jet ever again.
Greed has no limits.
boeing's death count since 2018 equals 347. They killed 346 in the max accidents and John Barnett.
Calhoun says they're "acknowledging their mistake" except that in the lawsuits filed against them and Alaska Airlines both parties are denying responsibility. You just can't make this clown show up anymore.
Profits over safety. Accountants running the company rather than engineers. Disgraceful.