Elon Musk Really Wants $55 Billion

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  • @tomas.montilla
    @tomas.montilla 3 месяца назад +268

    To be fair, I want $55 billion too. First time he’s been relatable really

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc 3 месяца назад +6

      😂

    • @filipebeat
      @filipebeat 3 месяца назад +5

      😂

    • @canesugar911
      @canesugar911 3 месяца назад +2

      Same

    • @Tazmanian_Ninja
      @Tazmanian_Ninja 3 месяца назад +1

      😄

    • @JSky449
      @JSky449 3 месяца назад +4

      That's the amount of money Musk really worked hard for. Receiving no pay and taking a company from 59B to over 600B is a deal you wouldn't want to take. But he did, and met up with expectations.

  • @YusufGinnah
    @YusufGinnah 3 месяца назад +66

    _'At this point, I think I know more about _*_ponzi-scheming_*_ than anyone currently alive on Earth...'_
    - The Elongated Muskrat

  • @BridgeTROLL777
    @BridgeTROLL777 3 месяца назад +31

    Tesla is so overvalued that the increase in share value isnt based on any fundamentals thus 55 billion payout is ridiculously overblown and certainly against the interest of shareholders.

    • @eduardodiaz5459
      @eduardodiaz5459 3 месяца назад

      Then sell your stocks and cash it !!!!!

  • @gerritjanboeve
    @gerritjanboeve 3 месяца назад +252

    It's only like $500.000 per Tesla employee. For a part-time CEO. Almost twice the lifetime profit of Tesla. Totally reasonable right?

    • @henlo1910
      @henlo1910 3 месяца назад +8

      Damn, so you hate America? That's crazy.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 месяца назад +7

      It's for work he did when he was working 80 hours a week at Tesla.

    • @கோபிசுதாகர்
      @கோபிசுதாகர் 3 месяца назад

      😂😂😂 wow you don't have to bend over backward for a billionaire 😂😂​@@samsonsoturian6013

    • @gerritjanboeve
      @gerritjanboeve 3 месяца назад +39

      @@henlo1910 Nothing to do with America.

    • @gerritjanboeve
      @gerritjanboeve 3 месяца назад

      @@samsonsoturian6013 So? Down more than 60% from the high. Falling sales. Falling profits. Musk is a liability now. He just managed to pump the stock like a ponzi at the time.

  • @PhilfreezeCH
    @PhilfreezeCH 3 месяца назад +260

    A company running an ad campaign for a vote to give their CEO $50 billion in shares is insane and frankly I am surprised its legal.

    • @nah9585
      @nah9585 3 месяца назад +16

      Right? Sounds pretty petty

    • @matiashamalainen7965
      @matiashamalainen7965 3 месяца назад +5

      He has to buy the shares. They are not given to him. God, why don't you ever bother to learn even the simplest things you talk about?

    • @markmercieca5569
      @markmercieca5569 3 месяца назад

      You are very misinformed....

    • @TrueGrantsta
      @TrueGrantsta 3 месяца назад

      @@matiashamalainen7965 he is given the OPTIONS. Which are so cheap to exercise it's nearly the same as giving him shares.

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад

      @@matiashamalainen7965 No, he doesn't. This is employee compensation in lieu of a salary. The shares come from a new issuance of shares (another option would be treasury shares, but Tesla doesn't have treasury shares for this). That's where all the concern about stock dilution comes from.

  • @inappropriatejohnson
    @inappropriatejohnson 3 месяца назад +39

    Have you seen the Cybertruck? Seriously, DON'T PAY HIM.

    • @lukevo6485
      @lukevo6485 3 месяца назад +1

      Fool, CT has over 2 million reservations. CT will out sell all trucks in the coming years. Do some research before you post.

    • @glentonrichards
      @glentonrichards 3 месяца назад

      @@lukevo6485CT *had* 2 million reservations. It has a ton of cancellations. Especially given that the price of the CT is double what the price was when it debuted in 2019 and the range is significantly lower. Tesla will sell quite a few CTs, but it won’t be anywhere near 2 million anytime soon.

    • @s.a.d9465
      @s.a.d9465 3 месяца назад

      @@lukevo6485you being funny, or are you just stupid

    • @bogatyr2473
      @bogatyr2473 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@lukevo6485that is some serious cope considering that right now there's no wait to get a CT.

  • @PsyrenXY
    @PsyrenXY 3 месяца назад +497

    I 100% agree with your closing statement. I have no horse in this race but the fallout of a "No" vote would be immensely entertaining 😂

    • @LoveClassicMusic0205
      @LoveClassicMusic0205 3 месяца назад +27

      I think a yes vote would be even more entertaining. The stock will eventually go all the way to zero when he bankrupts the company.

    • @icantseethis
      @icantseethis 3 месяца назад +37

      ​@@LoveClassicMusic0205 He will bankrupt it either way.

    • @mjregan88
      @mjregan88 3 месяца назад +8

      Some weird comments here

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@LoveClassicMusic0205lol, still on this bankruptcy thing. Wow.... The cope is insane.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад

      ​@@mjregan88the dude has Elon derangement syndrome.

  • @lombardo141
    @lombardo141 3 месяца назад +573

    He is trying to bleed the company dry before the eventual stock collapse

    • @core9563
      @core9563 3 месяца назад +14

      Heuh he is getting stock, not cash ?

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 месяца назад +37

      That's not how stock based compensation works. Paying with stock options makes the books look better because it is not an operating expense, but the pay is at shareholder expense.

    • @SiisKolkytEuroo
      @SiisKolkytEuroo 3 месяца назад +6

      He is also not permitted to sell the stock for a number of years

    • @reel1tv587
      @reel1tv587 3 месяца назад +14

      In Charlotte NC Tesla's aren't selling. If you go down independence Blvd you will see multiple lots filled with hundreds of Tesla's. I've been going out there and recording and it's the same cars. They're not moving and they're only adding on to the stock pile. Yeah Tesla is definitely about to collapse.

    • @Colombiaguapo
      @Colombiaguapo 3 месяца назад +12

      @@SiisKolkytEuroohe can’t sell the new stock, he can sell his old options

  • @saiforos7928
    @saiforos7928 3 месяца назад +384

    gotta cash out before you crash out

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 месяца назад +2

      Tesla is making a little money and even if EV markets go bust they can switch to making gas cars.

    • @tau4333
      @tau4333 3 месяца назад

      ⁠@@samsonsoturian6013 maybe the will build robotaxis and don’t sell them, so after 10 years the current stockprice is justified by the massive income they will have /s

    • @yahanaashaqua
      @yahanaashaqua 3 месяца назад

      Lol! They would never do that​@@samsonsoturian6013

    • @REP2016RTM
      @REP2016RTM 3 месяца назад +30

      @@samsonsoturian6013 You act like a completely shifting the manufacturing process to designing gas engines is an easy process. They're 10x more likely to go bankrupt at this rate.

    • @sprinkle61
      @sprinkle61 3 месяца назад +1

      @@samsonsoturian6013 DeLorean 2.0 is worth like 50x less than the EV of the Future company...

  • @stephenborrill4231
    @stephenborrill4231 3 месяца назад +50

    No mention about how he raised the share price by talking out his ass about fsd, trucks, robotaxis etc?

    • @jameslouizbuilds
      @jameslouizbuilds 3 месяца назад +12

      Maybe that’s been the play all along. Just make outlandish claims to raise the stock price purely to hit those targets he set that would unlock this $55bil

    • @me-myself-i787
      @me-myself-i787 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@jameslouizbuildsThere were also income and sales targets

    • @geminiXXX
      @geminiXXX 3 месяца назад

      ​@@jameslouizbuildsmaybe? For sure

    • @nathansstuff1547
      @nathansstuff1547 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@me-myself-i787 Stuff they expected to hit

    • @justinliu1014
      @justinliu1014 3 месяца назад

      its a strategy, a lot of people do that

  • @wasir3703
    @wasir3703 3 месяца назад +65

    Bro valiantly trying to pay off the principal of the twitter loan to reduce his interest rates
    Edit: Got my first musk fanboy bait in the reply. Clicking through their name and seeing all their replies is something to be told.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад +2

      Not how it works... You don't work in this industry. You're talking about a loan in a traditional sense. He got his loan from private equity. Our terms are way different. It's funny, I lived in the real world with you. But once you cross into the financial world, lol. You can't explain it to normal people. The Twitter loan is a lot of money to you... It's not real money lol. The we work ceo got funding again. You don't understand our game at all.

    • @danb1618
      @danb1618 3 месяца назад +13

      @@Tential1😂😂😂 at the OP’s edited comment

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад

      @@Tential1 Private equity firms typically don't "lend money". They're not a bank. Private equity firms buy shares (usually a majority) in a business and thus have equity in said business and voting rights. All this talk that "Private equity firms are financing Twitter" is nonsense. What Musk has done is borrow private capital. That capital has most likely come from mutual funds and venture capital financiers and undisclosed private lenders. The money is most certainly real, albeit in the digital realm. It's also most likely very expensive money with interest rates well above and beyond those you will get at the bank. Investors in mutual funds and venture capital funds do like to get paid handsomely for the risk that they are taking, after all.
      Hopefully, with this new found knowledge to you, you will be able to pursue a more profitable career in your private equity firm.

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад +2

      I'll have to go and have a look. The reply that you got certainly gives an indication as to the size of the bus that he rode in on.

    • @AF-bk2bw
      @AF-bk2bw 3 месяца назад +2

      Lol that dudes an absolute troll. Doesn’t say anything that makes sense. “Numbers have extra zeros that means you don’t understand” 😂 yes they are different. But besides equity of said business being used as collateral & it usually being a shorter time frame for return of principal such as 1-5 years.

  • @driftsmoke877
    @driftsmoke877 3 месяца назад +105

    Ya lays off over 14k people and wants billions that is crazy.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад +2

      For past previous work of several years, not his present work at Tesla.

    • @PhonkEcho
      @PhonkEcho 3 месяца назад +3

      Layoffs are industry standard. Stop acting like he invented them

    • @princemc35
      @princemc35 3 месяца назад

      ​@@PhonkEchoBut the industry doesn't pay their CEO's 55 billion 😮‍💨

    • @caracallaavg
      @caracallaavg 3 месяца назад +16

      ​@@PhonkEchohe invented a $55B bonus tho

    • @XtrAMassivE
      @XtrAMassivE 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@PhonkEchohe pretends he invented many things tho. Also mass layoff during work day is pretty unheard of.

  • @dntfrthreapr
    @dntfrthreapr 3 месяца назад +32

    Every sensible comment has an Elon-Bot-Army reply advocating for the pay package. 😂

    • @cpK054L
      @cpK054L 3 месяца назад +3

      They should have never made the pay package.
      If anything, the board should liquidate for this.

  • @68Fourty72
    @68Fourty72 3 месяца назад +23

    I bet Thunderf00t has a bottle of champagne ready for the moment when Musk's ego comes crashing down.

    • @wentoneisendon6502
      @wentoneisendon6502 3 месяца назад +2

      Same with common sense skeptic

    • @bruhmomento7563
      @bruhmomento7563 3 месяца назад +1

      Musk’s downfall would feed multiverses

    • @EnglishLaw
      @EnglishLaw 2 месяца назад

      Everyone who sold their scam shares early and in time, has cases of the stuff ready to P A R T Y

  • @edwarda8451
    @edwarda8451 3 месяца назад +151

    Wait a minute, if you have to motivate the owner and CEO of the company your company is dead.

    • @Edison.m3806
      @Edison.m3806 3 месяца назад +4

      I don't think you understand corporate finance. Instead of paying a CEO millions of dollars per month, rather pay him nothing. That excess profit in short term can be used to fuel organic/inorganic growth.
      The BoD sets benchmarks that a CEO must reach in order to get a bonus/compensation for the work he has done. The BoD gave Elon ridiculous benchmarks that they, neither analysts thought he'd achieve (Tesla reaching 1 trillion in market as an example). But he led the company and surpassed all of the expectations actually by a big margin.
      He isn't being fairly compensated for the work he has done.

    • @mikeplate
      @mikeplate 3 месяца назад +3

      Do you work for free?

    • @ynks07
      @ynks07 3 месяца назад +11

      @@mikeplateNot half the assets of the entire company.

    • @MrEdes7
      @MrEdes7 3 месяца назад

      @@Edison.m3806 This why we keep getting Enron, the 2008 crisis, etc. Compensation packages tied to the price of a stock at a specific time just rewards overpromising and fraud, they don't have to be here for the fallout when their lies get exposed.

    • @kingiam9271
      @kingiam9271 3 месяца назад +11

      ​@@Edison.m3806he achieved those benchmarks under false pretenses, Tesla is currently valued at half a trillion. He did not achieve those benchmarks

  • @richarddoherty5987
    @richarddoherty5987 3 месяца назад +18

    Rather than lay off 14,000 employees to save $0.7bn why not lay off 1 to save $55bn ?

  • @AndreAndFriends
    @AndreAndFriends 3 месяца назад +9

    Your title should be:
    I have a drug problem. I need $56 billions.

  • @snakeplissken1754
    @snakeplissken1754 3 месяца назад +382

    Getting the suspicion Elon knows Tesla is going to implode in the near future and wants to bail out.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 месяца назад +10

      Dude, this predates that by A LOT

    • @muhcharona
      @muhcharona 3 месяца назад +10

      @@samsonsoturian6013 Its just anti elon chatbot response, act blue has been going on overdrive against Elon.

    • @taylorc2542
      @taylorc2542 3 месяца назад +6

      FSD has been improving rapidly using machine learning. It's going to be a big deal.

    • @marklewandowski8474
      @marklewandowski8474 3 месяца назад

      ​FDD will never exist. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't understand machine learning and what it can and cannot do and how that overlays on accident prediction. Captcha cannot even perfectly identify if a car exists in still photograph, despite virtually infinite photos of vehicles to input. @@taylorc2542

    • @snakeplissken1754
      @snakeplissken1754 3 месяца назад +35

      @@taylorc2542 I hope it does, but the track record of "we can do it now" and 5 years later still nothing is just to big to ignore. And a company that has it´s value based by a large amount on hype, which is volatile, is surely not going to benefit from these kind of promises. I mean the new roadster was supposed to be "made right now" years ago.

  • @EulersFan2002
    @EulersFan2002 3 месяца назад +278

    Just a small payment of 55 billion

    • @GeneticReconstruction
      @GeneticReconstruction 3 месяца назад +5

      Light work tbh🙏🏼

    • @jeez5735
      @jeez5735 3 месяца назад +13

      More than any other compensation package ever. With the closest payout previously also paid to musk

    • @chow-chihuang4903
      @chow-chihuang4903 3 месяца назад +11

      And roughly twice the cumulative net profits of Tesla since inception.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад +2

      $55billion can go a long way and also do a lot in corporate america today.

    • @SiisKolkytEuroo
      @SiisKolkytEuroo 3 месяца назад +1

      It's not a cash payment, and he can't sell the stocks for a number of years

  • @GinsuBot
    @GinsuBot 3 месяца назад +19

    Wow, $55 billion for part-time work?! I'll do it for 0.01% of that.

    • @songhan1586
      @songhan1586 3 месяца назад

      u woudn't be able to, 55 bil is 10% of the company, for 10x the company value

    • @cpK054L
      @cpK054L 3 месяца назад +1

      5 years, 100+ hours/wk. 0 dollars for 4 out of 5 of those years.
      You sure you can work for free for 5 years?

    • @EtherRainbow
      @EtherRainbow 3 месяца назад

      ​@@cpK054LIf my father owned an emerald mine, I easily could

  • @dontree1977
    @dontree1977 3 месяца назад +465

    Call his bluff, his wealth is wrapped up in Tesla.

    • @ArtimusDragon
      @ArtimusDragon 3 месяца назад +35

      He's bleeding money and needs a parachute. Not a fact, but this is what I think is the reason. And why now after this massive layoff?

    • @wayando
      @wayando 3 месяца назад +7

      You think Elon Musk would do badly if he stepped down?! 😂😂😂 ...
      Let's not forget that guy is Billionaire. And he started Tesla and SpaceX when he had LESS than 100Million

    • @SiisKolkytEuroo
      @SiisKolkytEuroo 3 месяца назад +13

      ​@@ArtimusDragonbecause it was actually approved years ago, it was performance based compensation, the most ambitious one in history, all goals were reached
      Now it's time to pay up

    • @PhonkEcho
      @PhonkEcho 3 месяца назад +10

      He deserves every penny of that 55 billion. It was pegged to performance. At signing, the company was going to shit.

    • @dontree1977
      @dontree1977 3 месяца назад +34

      @PhonkEcho The price went up because simps bought all his lies. Now people are getting smarter and the price is going down. He is not a genius, an engineer, or scientist. He is a scam artists.

  • @AvocadoAfficionado
    @AvocadoAfficionado 3 месяца назад +18

    The supercharger network is one of the few advantages tesla still maintains. Elon is an absolute manchild.

  • @Necrotic99
    @Necrotic99 3 месяца назад +20

    The pay package was a scam on the shareholders to begin with, they were already forecasting internally to meet 3-4 of those targets without him doing anything else. Just that would have been a ton of money, the rest was gravy for him

    • @PhonkEcho
      @PhonkEcho 3 месяца назад

      A scam that has 10x the value? Made Tesla the most valuable EV brand that all the incumbent companies copy? Even if you are a woke, that's unfair

    • @aphex412w
      @aphex412w 3 месяца назад

      Even worse they did a 3 year forecast and it showed 11 of the 12 goals would be hit.

  • @MycolMushington
    @MycolMushington 3 месяца назад +168

    What gets me is that he says he won't do his job unless he owns 25% of shares. I voted no. Lol bye.

    • @SiisKolkytEuroo
      @SiisKolkytEuroo 3 месяца назад +9

      How many shares do you own lmao

    • @MycolMushington
      @MycolMushington 3 месяца назад +16

      @@SiisKolkytEuroo more than I would like. I've been averaging out.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад +3

      Is that not one of the major reasons Tesla is losing sales? To bring back it's losing glory, you have to let him take control of his "baby".

    • @princemc35
      @princemc35 3 месяца назад +13

      ​@@4evertrue830He already technically has the most control over Tesla
      He owns the most shares AND the board of directors is filled with families and friends
      That makes his control even higher

    • @orlandocastillo6862
      @orlandocastillo6862 3 месяца назад +6

      @@SiisKolkytEuroo half of 1 share in robinhood 😂

  • @bificommander7472
    @bificommander7472 3 месяца назад +73

    Oh no, the brain behind the cybertruck might not continue gracing Tesla with his brilliance?

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад

      OK you create an ev company from scratch that's profitable. No one else in the world is doing it.... But he's doing it, and selling an idiotic vehicle, and he's still profitable.... Lol. It's hilarious seeing how delusional people are. Like, you can hate someone but profit is profit.... Meanwhile, Ford, GM, etc. All lose money in the same industry, and you say all of those people are smarter than the dude making money. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

    • @markmercieca5569
      @markmercieca5569 3 месяца назад +2

      Yeh.....They only have 1.2 million reservations.....what a bummer....lol.

    • @JAM-fm8lt
      @JAM-fm8lt 3 месяца назад +13

      Creation of Cyber truck showed how clueless this guy is.

    • @nn99nn99
      @nn99nn99 3 месяца назад +11

      1.2 million canceled once cybertrucks kept breaking down non stop

    • @lg6707
      @lg6707 3 месяца назад +11

      ​@@markmercieca5569at their current rate of production half of the people that reserved will die of old age before purchasing it.

  • @jamal1493
    @jamal1493 3 месяца назад +48

    For Teslavoters to dilute their own shares by 10% is absolutely insane. Especially considering the fact that the chinese automakers are making incredible cars. Tesla share price will def take a hit within 2-3 years.

    • @DontUseHack
      @DontUseHack 3 месяца назад +4

      Other view, if he took my 100€ investment and made it into 1200€ aka a 1100% gain. I dont mind him diluting me down to 1080€ again. Honestly thats a good deal, for a 10 year gain.

    • @markmercieca5569
      @markmercieca5569 3 месяца назад +1

      The shares were already put aside in 2018....Millennial is incorrect, there is no dilution.

    • @georgiaguardian4696
      @georgiaguardian4696 3 месяца назад +1

      Chinese EV makers thank Elon’s help to facilitate Tesla technology transfers to them!

    • @2011blueman
      @2011blueman 3 месяца назад

      The chinese EVs can't get into the US because of the tariffs that Elon Musk bribed the government to put in place.

    • @75OldsNinetyEight
      @75OldsNinetyEight 3 месяца назад +2

      *2-3 months

  • @ashishpatel350
    @ashishpatel350 3 месяца назад +5

    if he wanted 25 percent. why has he been selling billions od dollars of shares since it went public?

  • @Shane-zl9ry
    @Shane-zl9ry 3 месяца назад +128

    He’s only hurt the company since buying twitter. 🙄

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 месяца назад +9

      Or maybe you just refused to hear a kind word about him

    • @churblefurbles
      @churblefurbles 3 месяца назад

      @@samsonsoturian6013 Yea its pretty obvious the media turn is just running cover for Biden.

    • @TheMissingDislikeButton
      @TheMissingDislikeButton 3 месяца назад

      no, people has heard enough and realize he's a grifter​@@samsonsoturian6013

    • @larion2336
      @larion2336 3 месяца назад

      No he hasn't lol, it is way better than it was. Only leftist psychos who adore censorship are upset about the changes.

    • @taylorc2542
      @taylorc2542 3 месяца назад +9

      Free speech is worth it.

  • @eskutts
    @eskutts 3 месяца назад +25

    As always greedy management end up destroying their companies as they will earn the hatred of the public and their own employees as well in the long run.

    • @songhan1586
      @songhan1586 3 месяца назад

      greedy? his negotiated packaged tied his compensation purely on performance. tesla was worth 55-60 bil back then, he get 1% per 1x extra value he bring to the company, dude got its value to go 10x, ya he definitely deserves 10%, u guys tip your waitress more then that for bringing your food. but someone 10x your value and 10% is to much now... lmao

  • @willardSpirit
    @willardSpirit 3 месяца назад +32

    Yeah, fire him

    • @eternaldarkness3139
      @eternaldarkness3139 3 месяца назад +4

      Wouldn't be the first time Musk was fired for incompetence...
      (Shhh, he doesn't want people knowing that.)

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 месяца назад +1

      Are you just saying that because of Twitter?

    • @alexpkeaton4471
      @alexpkeaton4471 3 месяца назад

      @@samsonsoturian6013 It's called X. Nice try lib.

    • @bernl178
      @bernl178 3 месяца назад +1

      He met the performance targets he performed as he said he would, and therefore should be compensated. Accordingly, you do failed to look at this angle do you do you look at present day this is for something that took place in the past.

  • @Vanagons4Eva
    @Vanagons4Eva 3 месяца назад +127

    After doing a pretty solid job getting Tesla up and running along with the supercharger network, the man has gone off the deep end mentally. Every additional $billion he gets is like feeding him mercury.

    • @SourDonut99
      @SourDonut99 3 месяца назад +14

      He overpaid for twitter. He literally paid the meme price of $42.0 per share for it. That company was going bankrupt. According to the twitter balance sheets, it had enough cash for 1 year max. He could have bought it for 50% discount.
      but it's also weird how the news is reporting on it as if he's crazy and how his pay package is 55bn. It isn't. It's a stock option and it was $55bn back when the stock was high. Less than half now.
      Also who knows how much his pay package would be. It's as if he either gets the full amount or works for free. That doesn't make sense either.

    • @jeez5735
      @jeez5735 3 месяца назад +10

      ​@@SourDonut99that package is still pretty crazy. Compare that to any other CEOs pay out. However, the main issue with it was the lack of disclosures given by the board on partiality and how musk has threatened to take company property to start his own private venture. If the board made the proper disclosures and Elon didn't threaten to take from the company then this wouldn't have been an issue. It's also interesting how you say that he works for free. He has already cashed out more stock $ then the company has ever made in net profit. He's literally earned more than the company and that's after breaking so many laws and making fun of the SEC. If shareholders are unhappy with his actions and disagree then I think it's fair to cancel his new payout. After that is completed they can renegotiate a new payout structure that the shareholders are properly disclosed on after Elon pays whatever nominal amount the court charges him for his actions

    • @BigPurp9
      @BigPurp9 3 месяца назад +9

      Think I speak for everyone when I say he needs to lead a 1 man sub mission to the titanic. Only a great man like Elon could do it successfully.

    • @jeez5735
      @jeez5735 3 месяца назад

      Looked it up because I was curious. Tim Cook is the closest CEO in terms of yearly compensation. At $770 million a year. Which is a far cry from Elons $2.2 billion a year BEFORE this current package​@@SourDonut99

    • @waynecarson8635
      @waynecarson8635 3 месяца назад

      No one in history has done what Musk has done anyone think they can do better? NASA can't do better. No one has his vision. He is #1 in several different fields. Oh no he's used drugs!@!! Oh my! are the satellites crashing? SELL your car because you don't like his politics? World of soft belly losers

  • @laughingman7882
    @laughingman7882 3 месяца назад +135

    Elon needs to pay back his Twitter dumpster fire

    • @churblefurbles
      @churblefurbles 3 месяца назад +1

      We've seen what your kind have done to the election and court system, so yea no on that one.

    • @ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI
      @ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI 3 месяца назад +9

      What have Rubber Duckies done to the electoral system?
      Have Rubber Ducks gone woke & I'm only just hearing about it?

    • @markmercieca5569
      @markmercieca5569 3 месяца назад

      Yeh....That is why Twitter AI was valued at 18 Billion..... Wow, is that what you call a dumpster fire.....LOL. I am sure you laugh at your stock portfolio.... My Tesla shares are up 1000%.

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад

      @@markmercieca5569 That is fundraising for a new company, not Twitter. I confess to not being certain of the legality of taking that funding and paying off Twitter's debt, but I'd be surprised if the answer was "sure, that's fine."

    • @ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI
      @ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI 3 месяца назад

      @@markmercieca5569Learn what an ellipsis is followed by how to use one.

  • @kevinroy6553
    @kevinroy6553 3 месяца назад +52

    Vote NO for the ENTERTAINMENT VALUE! I second this sentiment😂😂😂😂

  • @fyodorvasilev1964
    @fyodorvasilev1964 3 месяца назад +63

    It's funny how that site has the cybertruck on the frontpage.

  • @davidscholz7489
    @davidscholz7489 3 месяца назад +43

    I don’t want to be a doomer but Tesla is kind of fucked and the forecasts of short sellers are coming true

    • @mjregan88
      @mjregan88 3 месяца назад +1

      Huh lol

    • @germancomment2244
      @germancomment2244 3 месяца назад +5

      It's obvious it's not worth it's stock price. If it will grow enough to be worth it is everyone's guess. But it doesn't seem more likely now than three years ago.

    • @2011blueman
      @2011blueman 3 месяца назад

      Tesla has been wildly overvalued for well over a decade and the bubble has just kept expanding for that entire time. I wouldn't short tesla because there are simply too many irrational cult members to prop it up. As the saying goes, the market for a stock can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

    • @aljoseph8424
      @aljoseph8424 7 дней назад

      OMG this is probably the worst take ever. Listening to Short sellers that Lost almost $60B betting against Tesla would be a very good idea. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Cap_management
    @Cap_management 3 месяца назад +18

    He should be awarded $55B for invention of Las Vegas tunnel which solved traffic.
    He knows more about everything than any human alive.

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc 3 месяца назад

      Especially bullshitting.

    • @ILoveTinfoilHats
      @ILoveTinfoilHats 3 месяца назад +3

      This is satire right? It's hard to tell with fanboys sometimes

    • @2011blueman
      @2011blueman 3 месяца назад +4

      @@ILoveTinfoilHats It's a funny satirical comment, and if it wasn't actually meant to be satire then it is hysterical.

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc 3 месяца назад +1

      Especially bullshitting

  • @jessicaandtrains7768
    @jessicaandtrains7768 3 месяца назад +1

    He doesn't have a leg to stand on and the company would do better without him.
    From what I can see the share price has been artificially buoyed by lies.
    Full self driving, range, battery swap, electric trucks, robotaxi, roadster,cybertruck. And artificially inflated carbon credits.
    Fire him. The SEC need to investigate him and sieze him proceeds of crime.

  • @onemorekiran
    @onemorekiran 3 месяца назад +32

    At some point I hope that people in general (and shareholders specifically) realise that the value of a company comes from the people who work there and not disproportionately the one person leading it

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад +4

      The way stocks are, this seems to usually be at the moment a company goes bankrupt due to over-focusing on share value instead of actual profit. I point at We Work as an example.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад +1

      Tesla would not be a great EV car company today if Elon did not take the risk to start it and nurture it in the early years. It was his brain child from the beginning. You have to at least give him that credit.

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад +4

      @@4evertrue830 Actually, looking into the history of Tesla, you don't. It was not his brain child.
      It is fair to give him some credit, his money was critical, but to say it was his brain child is simply incorrect. The company was founded with the idea for electric cars before Musk was involved in any way.

    • @jerome8660
      @jerome8660 3 месяца назад

      Tesla made a lot of their employees millionaires, don't forget that. And even if not, everybody is free to leave if other companies have more to offer.

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад

      @@jerome8660 "You can just quit" isn't a shining argument. It's applicable to every company, and flawed due to factors such as how health insurance works, the general economy, and potentially non-compete clauses (though those are no longer legal). A good argument would be about excellent working conditions and job security, but I imagine that's not an option for defending Tesla.

  • @ZER0--
    @ZER0-- 3 месяца назад +46

    Musk is not very smart in the academic sense, but he is a genius at making money with bs. It's that simple. He's a modern day snake oil salesman, and that's probably because there is a fool born every minute. The current AI bubble is another good example of people's stupidity and how easy they will part with their money for hype.
    No one should be allowed to have more than 10 million dollars a year. Give me a good reason why anyone can't live comfortably on that amount of money. And why do you want to have such a vulgar amount of money? Maybe they're compensation for something.

    • @chichodormi4732
      @chichodormi4732 3 месяца назад +4

      haha, there is a fool born every second 😅

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад

      He started PayPal with friends and successfully built it up into a great company before leaving. He achieved same in Tesla and built it into a multibillion $dollar company. He started Space X and it is also worth tens of $billions of dollars. So, how is he a snake oil salesman? Why can't you make it make sense man..smh.

    • @PhonkEcho
      @PhonkEcho 3 месяца назад +5

      No one needs to explain to you, a nobody why they deserve the money THEY made, building THEIR company. And the same would apply if you built your own company

    • @fmo94jos8v3
      @fmo94jos8v3 3 месяца назад

      Switch to 10 mil max / year would cement Warren Buffet, Blackrock/Larry Fink, and other billionaires into permanent billionaire overlords and none of the plebs would ever legally obtain the same wealth again. Pretty stupid idea. That's what we call "pulling up the ladder".

    • @BatDad-qu4fo
      @BatDad-qu4fo 3 месяца назад

      ​@PhonkEcho It wasn't even his company. He just bought in early and forced the original owners out. He consistently made poor decisions, including the Cybertruck, and tons of empty promises that he either doesn't fulfill or fulfills 5+ years later. Elon has been propped up by worldwide media calling him a genius and saying he's saving the world, but he hasn't come through on most of what he's claimed he'd do.

  • @porcus123
    @porcus123 3 месяца назад +30

    It's completely insane, 10k for each car that was sold undoubtedly a huge dilution of the tesla stock value.

    • @markmercieca5569
      @markmercieca5569 3 месяца назад

      Do you own Tesla shares? Mine are up over 1000% since 2018. Did your companies do better? LOL::...

    • @porcus123
      @porcus123 3 месяца назад

      @@markmercieca5569 maddoff was also a pretty swell dude until some guy checked the numbers. peak share value of 2020, was hugely based on the promises of robotaxis and semis more efficient than rail, you just had to wait until next year.
      his objectives were achieved through lies yet he wants 18% to keep lying.
      tesla is nothing more than an electric car manufacturer with side hustles

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад

      If I still held Tesla, I'd be out like a shot from a rifle at this proposal. A guaranteed loss of 10% overnight on stock that has no yield. And didn't these people read the Delaware court ruling? Lunacy.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад

      @@markmercieca5569 and that is a bubble. That price is based on hype and not much else. You're like those people bragging about how valuable their pictures of monkeys were a couple years ago.

    • @porcus123
      @porcus123 Месяц назад

      @@markmercieca5569 explain to me where that value came from? Because all I see is a huge bubble inflated by idiots.

  • @reel1tv587
    @reel1tv587 3 месяца назад +30

    A billionaire asking for money is crazy. This guy is flat out evil.

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc 3 месяца назад +2

      Whatever about evil he’s definitely greedy

    • @matiashamalainen7965
      @matiashamalainen7965 3 месяца назад +1

      So if someone is a billionaire you don't need to hold your end of a deal? What a shining example of morality you are!

    • @stuiley424
      @stuiley424 3 месяца назад +1

      You may not like the guy but an agreement is an agreement, he met the goals so they need to pay him.
      Wether you like him or not.🤷‍♂️

    • @cpK054L
      @cpK054L 3 месяца назад +2

      He's a paper billionaire.
      He buys with leverage, not cash.
      Didn't he get sued for defamation and the judge found out he was actually broke?

  • @4evertrue830
    @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад +7

    This is the kind of pay package that should concern the US govt and should be heavily taxed by the govt. No super rich person, who feels they deserve this kind of performance pay package should avoid paying their taxes no matter what. 😤

    • @cpK054L
      @cpK054L 3 месяца назад

      You can't tax unrealized gains.
      Janet Yellen is trying.

  • @Meatball2022
    @Meatball2022 3 месяца назад +4

    1:51 why lie? The “performance based targets” were so easily attainable it was near impossible not to reach the targets. THAT was the problem.
    The board that approved this is supposed to be independent and support ALL of the shareholders. But they were in fact placed there so they would agree to do what musk wants at every opportunity.
    And no, he was NOT doing the work with no compensation. In fact he used to advertise that he makes no money - just stock. He was given tons of stock options which were also generous. And he sold a lot of it. And made billions. So no - he wasn’t missing any compensation.

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад +1

      It was a con job, and the court saw straight through it, plain and simple.

  • @bostonrex3121
    @bostonrex3121 3 месяца назад +21

    Massively overhyped company not massively over successful

  • @flemmingsorensen5470
    @flemmingsorensen5470 3 месяца назад +51

    Which sensible board would accept a person like that, as their CEO? Not many companies would accept this behaviour.

    • @Tuppoo94
      @Tuppoo94 3 месяца назад +13

      I don't get it either. Elon's antics are getting crazy. People have been dismissed for a lot less.

    • @muhcharona
      @muhcharona 3 месяца назад +5

      @@Tuppoo94 All the worst takes, they accepted the deal because they thought it was impossible, the doubters have bad judgement.

    • @eternaldarkness3139
      @eternaldarkness3139 3 месяца назад +6

      Wouldn't be the first time fElon was fired for incompetence...

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад

      The same so called sensible board that invested in Tesla when the going was so good, they all became filthy rich. Now they want to go back on their word to compensate him? That is a stab in the back in my opinion.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@eternaldarkness3139 You say he is so incompetent? Why say so now after most of these board directors have become so filthy rich off him at Tesla and his other companies over many years? He deserves his money dude.

  • @umadbra
    @umadbra 3 месяца назад +14

    Why don't we pay Ford or gm CEO 10k for each car they sell?

  • @ducknorris233
    @ducknorris233 3 месяца назад +1

    I can’t imagine a worse time to be asking for $55B

  • @RevGodKlown
    @RevGodKlown 3 месяца назад +2

    Call his bluff, he's too deep financially into his value through Tesla to walk away. he'd just spend MORE time on X/Twitter complaining about "wOrkInG fOr frEe" 🙄

  • @18000rpm
    @18000rpm 3 месяца назад +20

    Dude if my contractor did an excellent job but judge ruled I didn't have to pay due to a technicality, I'd still pay him.

    • @akilelamin
      @akilelamin 3 месяца назад +1

      fr

    • @2011blueman
      @2011blueman 3 месяца назад +1

      Did you pay your contractor 30 times the value of your house?

    • @18000rpm
      @18000rpm 3 месяца назад +2

      @@2011blueman if the contractor increased the value of my house by 300 times then it's well-deserved.

    • @baoboumusic
      @baoboumusic 3 месяца назад

      ​@@18000rpm What if it was twice what your house would ever sell for and more than all his employees put together?

    • @akilelamin
      @akilelamin 3 месяца назад +1

      @@baoboumusic not a fan of musk, but the contractor deserves to be well paid. My only point.

  • @SubjectiveFunny
    @SubjectiveFunny 3 месяца назад +2

    He earned the money.
    They agreed to pay him the money.
    It's his fucking company.
    Pay the man.

  • @tokphys
    @tokphys 3 месяца назад +8

    Tesla would be better off without Musk. At this point he's hurting the company, both its customers and employees.

    • @madrigale6396
      @madrigale6396 3 месяца назад +1

      1000pc agree, he's only good at raising money and generating hype, they don't need him, in every other way he is a detriment

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад

      If that is the case, it shouldn't affect the company's performance at all. Let them go ahead and pay him the money then.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад

      @@4evertrue830 well that's kind of the problem, Tesla isn't going to pay him the money. The shareholders are. They are going to go Poof and create 55 billion in shares, which dilutes everyone else's shares. He's just straight out taking this money from all the other shareholders.

  • @Lampdawg
    @Lampdawg 3 месяца назад +23

    Let me be honest! The cyber truck is UGLY AS HELL!

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад +2

      "I was going to vote yes, but I looked upon the cyber truck and despaired."

    • @75OldsNinetyEight
      @75OldsNinetyEight 3 месяца назад +1

      What? You don’t like the stainless steel dustbin look?

  • @MrWashesp
    @MrWashesp 3 месяца назад +2

    Remember what elon said his money is the 1st in and the last out...
    He knows something is coming in the next half a decade

  • @thermitebanana
    @thermitebanana 3 месяца назад +7

    My husband just bought a house with one of his girlfriends, I want to transfer a bunch of money from our joint account to his personal account to keep him faithful

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад

      That's a fantastic idea. But before you do, make sure that he's still committed to the relationship that he has with you and that he won't run away with the washer and dryer and do his own laundry with it. And also, make sure that he still has the biggest say in how the house that you're living in is run.

    • @Tazmanian_Ninja
      @Tazmanian_Ninja 3 месяца назад +1

      😁 Good one!

  • @fathertimegaming17
    @fathertimegaming17 3 месяца назад +3

    I am not an Elon musk fan, but the incentive-based nature of the deal is the reason why I think he should earn it. Now separately, I think that's gross overpayment and part of the reason that the economy is going to continue to destroy regular people, but that's a different conversation.

  • @Lonaticus
    @Lonaticus 3 месяца назад +7

    Well.. he shouldn't have bought Twitter then!

  • @michaelbrier5484
    @michaelbrier5484 3 месяца назад +3

    crazy part is this was spelled out a long time ago, nobody minded when he hustled up a company.....

  • @BaldAndCurious
    @BaldAndCurious 3 месяца назад +2

    It's immoral to ask for such compensation when the company is firing people left and right, plus not delivering an absolutely quality product.

    • @theultimatereductionist7592
      @theultimatereductionist7592 3 месяца назад

      Obviously. And we need laws to stop it.

    • @BaldAndCurious
      @BaldAndCurious 3 месяца назад

      @@theultimatereductionist7592 and we'll be waiting a long time for those laws until lobbying itself becomes illegal

  • @RRsalin
    @RRsalin 3 месяца назад +3

    Brilliant closing statement. I think the "pay this man his package" commenters don't realize that the money is coming from their own pockets

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад +1

      I had an interest in Tesla. I got out three years ago. One of the reasons was that unlike every other equity that I own, the shareholders are barmy. They have no idea about investing.
      Too many of them are first time investors and too many hold Tesla as their only investment. It's Dunning Krueger syndrome en masse.
      Who in the world votes for a 10% dilution of their net worth on stocks that don't even have yield? It's lunacy.

  • @peterhumphrys
    @peterhumphrys 3 месяца назад +1

    being coerced to work excessive overtime for rather moderate wages while the big boss himself works part time and demands 55 billion with a "B" must really grate on a whole lot of workers!

  • @jasontiscione1741
    @jasontiscione1741 3 месяца назад +31

    So basically he's owed $55 billion because he used his personality to drove up the price of the company's stock, to the point that market capitalization exceeds yearly profits by a factor of 30... How has this worked out for GameStop?

    • @danshive4017
      @danshive4017 3 месяца назад +1

      I mean, they're still struggling, but they used that whole nonsense situation to raise capital and not die, so I'd say it went relatively well for them.
      It's not sustainable without genuine major change and legitimate profit, however, and that's definitely not the situation any investor wants Tesla in.

    • @rmkensington
      @rmkensington 3 месяца назад +4

      He brought in a crazy amount of money, all driven by lies

  • @3d1e00
    @3d1e00 3 месяца назад +44

    The guy wants 55 bill but all he did to get the award has been undone? You would be a mug to let him do it.

    • @muhcharona
      @muhcharona 3 месяца назад +9

      A deals a deal, until you get a Biden judge.

    • @beinquisitive
      @beinquisitive 3 месяца назад

      I guess that contracts don't matter. A judge can just arbitrarily rule that (a board approved, shareholder approved, crazy targeted (at the time) all or nothing deal, which he managed to hit every target, and make all of his shareholders rich in the process) pay package is somehow unfair to shareholders and she can take away his already earned options.
      Clown show partisan activist judges can steal your money retroactively. This should be a red flag to anyone running a business.
      You can't predict the future. He took a major risk with the potential to earn nothing if he failed. He succeeded. You sit here two years later and say "oh the stock isn't still at all time highs, we should take the money away from him now. Yet I didn't hear any complaints rwo years ago when you were cashing in tesla stock after it 15x'd from 2020-2022.
      Totally dishonorable statement you make. No one would never do business with someone like yourself.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад +1

      This is money he claims he deserves to be paid years ago, when he was deeply involved in building Tesla up, not for recent work he's doing. He should be compensated.

    • @Colombiaguapo
      @Colombiaguapo 3 месяца назад +3

      @@4evertrue830No he doesn’t deserve it. He lied about the board members being objective and some of the metrics that elon needed to hit were already on pace to have been achieved whether he was CEO or not.

    • @princemc35
      @princemc35 3 месяца назад

      ​@@Colombiaguapoi dunno bro
      It's was a deal, he tricked everyone, he succeeded, so maybe he doesn't deserve it BUT he really should get paid 🤷🏾

  • @rossamullen5918
    @rossamullen5918 3 месяца назад +20

    Is it fair to say that the August unveiling of the robotaxi will be make or break for Tesla? There isn’t a snowman’s chance in hell he will have anything resembling what he promised ready.

    • @onlythebest3311
      @onlythebest3311 3 месяца назад +14

      That’s not how the game is played. He will unveil some prototype robot taxi with self driving make up fake release dates that’s 2 year in the future, then delay that by another 4-8 years. In the mean time all the fan boys and analysts will generate hype on how big this future revenue stream will be etc, to prop up the stock and obfuscate the stock is priced like a startup but actually losing sales / revenue.
      He played this game many times, look at fsd…semi truck…25k ev and on and on. Basically fake until you make it, if that fails, invent some new carrot to dangle in front of the fan boys to continue prop up the stock

    • @rossamullen5918
      @rossamullen5918 3 месяца назад +3

      I have a feeling this time it will be different.

    • @REP2016RTM
      @REP2016RTM 3 месяца назад +6

      @@rossamullen5918 he's been claiming he's figured out FSD every year for the last decade. The guy is a complete con man. He should be prosecuted for fraud at this point

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc 3 месяца назад +1

      @@rossamullen5918 I have a feeling it won’t.

  • @jamesodell3064
    @jamesodell3064 3 месяца назад +30

    This large of a compensation package would set an absolutely terrible precedent..

    • @muhcharona
      @muhcharona 3 месяца назад +10

      It was a small package that became big because he succeeded, its the best precedence considering other ceos get payouts regardless of performance, inspite of it really.

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@REgamesplayerBesides, the company does not necessarily have to pay him the lump sum. Payment can be spread over a period of time, say 5 or 10yrs which will make it much easier for them.

    • @taylorc2542
      @taylorc2542 3 месяца назад +1

      It's more upsetting that Jim Farley and Mary Barra shrank the company and still got paid millions. Elon grew the company 11x.

    • @SiisKolkytEuroo
      @SiisKolkytEuroo 3 месяца назад

      ​@@REgamesplayerwhat are you even talking about? Who has to buy out what?

    • @PhonkEcho
      @PhonkEcho 3 месяца назад

      @@taylorc2542 I think most of the criticism is coming from the lefties that don't like what he did with Twitter restoring accounts of people they had silenced.

  • @maddelasudhakar8853
    @maddelasudhakar8853 3 месяца назад +295

    Just saw your videos and bought AMS28K yesterday.....its up 24% today talk about timing......Thanks

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich 3 месяца назад +14

      Talk about bullshit

    • @Teolulz
      @Teolulz 3 месяца назад +7

      get a job so you won't need to scam for a living

    • @blackadder564
      @blackadder564 3 месяца назад +3

      @@Teolulz It can't get a job. It's just a bot.

    • @hankjones9079
      @hankjones9079 3 месяца назад

      How?

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich 3 месяца назад

      @@blackadder564 lol

  • @gmb858
    @gmb858 3 месяца назад +1

    Your contractor argument breaks down because of one factor: Tesla wants to keep an ongoing relationship with Musk. The home owner isn't anticipating an ongoing relationship with the roofer.

  • @contextual_investor6139
    @contextual_investor6139 3 месяца назад +7

    It makes sense for $TSLA investors to vote no. Elon is an employee, one who is both doing a bad job over the last 4 years and is providing significant PR issues and brand risk to the company. He isn’t doing his job. Now there is an opportunity to adjust his pay adequately to his contributions. Voting no isn’t a vote to not pay him at all, it’s an opportunity to adjust the pay package to be reasonable to save investors money, and show Elon that he can’t just do whatever he wants and expect to still get whatever he wants. Voting no is a wise move financially

  • @mr_kureshi_1652
    @mr_kureshi_1652 3 месяца назад +307

    Forget Shiba and Dogecoin. The next Bull runner gonna be AMS28K

    • @REP2016RTM
      @REP2016RTM 3 месяца назад +23

      scam bot

    • @hankjones9079
      @hankjones9079 3 месяца назад

      How?

    • @menjolno
      @menjolno 3 месяца назад

      @@REP2016RTM youtube raosted u with a: **Translate to English**

  • @Jokeniv
    @Jokeniv 3 месяца назад +19

    -Bankruptcy within 3 years.
    //ThunderfOOt

    • @tangosierra911
      @tangosierra911 3 месяца назад +2

      Loved Thunderf00t’s footage on this.

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад

      We are most certainly going to see the measure of the company's ability to scale in both directions.

  • @unrealii
    @unrealii 3 месяца назад +4

    Temper tantrum = great entertainment value 😂

  • @bogatyr2473
    @bogatyr2473 3 месяца назад +1

    "What would motivate him," Tesla's stock price. It's most of his wealth. It's what motivates a lot of CEOs in his position with huge stakes in the company.

  • @tonespeaks
    @tonespeaks 3 месяца назад +5

    @Wall Street Millennial What Telsa's Board, shareholders and Musk agreed to, was that if he could make the company grow by over 1100% and other reach other metrics, the company would allow him to buy around 9% of the outstanding shares at a fixed price. What many people fail to understand, is that Elon Musk would have to hand over $7 Billiion to Tesla, to get those shares. Some CEOs just get paid for their efforts in cash, Elon wanted a share of the company instead. After he buys those shares he would be required to hold them for 5 years, before they could be sold, to delution is not really an short term issue.
    This is a done deal....pay the man!!! We can bitch about his new package and hold him to the sword on that.... to me that seems to fair.

    • @michoacan55
      @michoacan55 3 месяца назад +3

      He can't dump the shares he gets for 5 years but what you don't realize is that obce he gets those shares he can dump the one's he already has, so he can cash out again at the overvalued share price. He does not have to commit for 5 years like the fanboys assume

    • @tonespeaks
      @tonespeaks 3 месяца назад +1

      @@michoacan55 According to your logic he can dump the shares he currently has now!!! The 2018 shares, don't affect what he does with the shares he is currently holding. With the 2018 shares he would only be able to cash those out, 5 years after he has bought them. In 5 years, who knows what the share price will be, probably a lot higher... would be my guess.
      I do see your point, but he has to commit the 2018 shares options for 5 years after purchase. Fanboys are correct, he will be stuck with 2018 shares for a minimum of 5 years. What he does with his current holdings is not affected by 2018 options and it is not a material issue at this moment, since this is only about the previous deal. We are talking about a deal that the board, shareholders and Musk agreed to...nothing else.

  • @Ramschat
    @Ramschat 3 месяца назад +1

    As someone who shorted Tesla, I hope the vote succeeds!
    Not only have his antics made me money by tanking the stock price, if he gets those share options he further dillutes the share price, thereby making me more xD

  • @swedesam
    @swedesam 3 месяца назад +2

    His ego will not let him give up the spotlight of running Tesla. His ego is still writing checks.

  • @jamess7315
    @jamess7315 3 месяца назад +2

    You say the share price is down in the past 12 months … it is still up 10x what it was in 2018 when the options were issued. That growth for a blue of blue chip stock is amazing. I am first to call out greedy executive deals but this one is unfair to Musk. The options were issued in 2018 and that was the value. Shareholders and Musk hit powerball making between 10-20X. He deserves the options that were voted by shareholders in 2018z

  • @methos-ey9nf
    @methos-ey9nf 3 месяца назад +2

    I think many people share your closing sentiment. Like you I do not and have not owned a Tesla vehicle nor Tesla stock. But seeing him have a public meltdown would be priceless.

  • @tennotensei8630
    @tennotensei8630 3 месяца назад +2

    Contrastingly, They voted YES

  • @tatata1543
    @tatata1543 3 месяца назад +18

    The guy is totally bonkers , the whole Mars thing is total craziness.

    • @markmercieca5569
      @markmercieca5569 3 месяца назад +1

      If you lived 125 years ago you would have said that to the Wright bros....lol.

    • @stuiley424
      @stuiley424 3 месяца назад

      A house would seem crazy to a Neanderthal.🤷‍♂️

    • @tatata1543
      @tatata1543 3 месяца назад +3

      @@markmercieca5569 Yea, I would have said to the Wright brothers that going to Mars is crazy. Because it was then and is now.

    • @tatata1543
      @tatata1543 3 месяца назад +3

      @@stuiley424 I’m guessing in your head that sounded clever😂. Musk said he wants to take a million people to Mars, it’s total bs. The guy lives in a fantasy world, he really needs to dial back on the pharmaceuticals.

    • @stuiley424
      @stuiley424 3 месяца назад

      @@tatata1543 going to the moon was science fiction, until it wasn’t.
      You do you dope but he’s been a lot more successful than you will probably ever be, even if he does drugs or not.😂

  • @vincetalkz
    @vincetalkz 3 месяца назад +1

    FYI, "Boring" is no longer a thing, quietly swept under the rug, along with the billions spent and the promises of a new tech all gone poof.

    • @jasonoutman420
      @jasonoutman420 3 месяца назад +1

      But it was built with rocket technology 😂

  • @enamuossuo
    @enamuossuo 3 месяца назад +1

    Basically he's asking more than double Tesla ever generated in profits 😂

    • @daimsaeed
      @daimsaeed 3 месяца назад

      Well his pay is a business cost

  • @fpark101
    @fpark101 3 месяца назад +1

    I voted FOR and I voted FOR again. I bought Tesla shares with my hard earned savings only because of Elon Musk. No corrupt judge and greedy lawyers will rob Elon Musk and Tesla shareholders.

  • @Merle1987
    @Merle1987 3 месяца назад +18

    It's easy to hate on him, but who among us doesn't want 55 billion dollars?!

    • @DropBox-jx6yr
      @DropBox-jx6yr 3 месяца назад

      Good point.

    • @antoniofernandesmarchetti1097
      @antoniofernandesmarchetti1097 3 месяца назад +3

      To me 1% of that is enough. I'm not that Greed.

    • @onlythebest3311
      @onlythebest3311 3 месяца назад +6

      @@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097that’s because you are poor, you are not greedy and only want 550 million…then once you have 550m and used to that life, you would want 5 billion and so on…don’t kid yourself

    • @odyssey3666
      @odyssey3666 3 месяца назад

      I do not want 55 billion. That money, even 1% of it, will be nothing more than one giant head ache.🤕

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад

      ​@@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097so you're OK with setting a precedent that you can sign a contract, and be paid something, then later, a judge says, nah not fair and takes the money away. You're happy it's happening to a billionaire you don't like, but did you ever consider, that's why they chose him first? Next, it will be taking away pay from executives, and you'll cheer that. Finally, it will be you the worker, where the law was always intended to hit. And they will retroactively take back your pay. You're short sighted.

  • @rmiddlehouse
    @rmiddlehouse 3 месяца назад +1

    He wont reach Steve Jobs status until he’s fired from his own company

  • @Jayjs20
    @Jayjs20 3 месяца назад +2

    I'm not greedy, I'm ok with 1 billion.

    • @geminiXXX
      @geminiXXX 3 месяца назад

      1 billion Dogecoin

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc 3 месяца назад

      I’m even less greedy I’ll take 1 million.

  • @tullochgorum6323
    @tullochgorum6323 3 месяца назад +1

    Good overview, but it fails to point out that Musk's package would be greater than the cumulative lifetime profits of Tesla. This represents $11,000 per vehicle sold, which is insane - particularly at a time when profitability is falling.

  • @miss_bougie6653
    @miss_bougie6653 3 месяца назад +2

    This is a two birds one stone situation, he needs to reimburse himself from the very stupid Twitter acquisition and also regain control of his crown jewel. For a “Futurist” Musk is incredibly shortsighted and delusional.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад

      If you think Twitter is a massive issue for him, you know nothing about this industry at all. It's an industry that gave me 10m to work with when I'd never filed taxes. You don't understand how money flows here. Hell, I didn't until I worked on the other side. They gave me the money, and I didn't burn it. I didn't understand why I was supposed to burn the money until I got to the other side. You'll never get this. It's brain breaking. Money isn't what you think it is.

    • @daimsaeed
      @daimsaeed 3 месяца назад

      ​@@Tential1spill the secrets

  • @danielmorris7648
    @danielmorris7648 2 месяца назад +2

    This comment section is just salty cope filled ignorance you people think he's going to get a check for $55 billion and the the 3 of you that realize it's stock are complaining that he wants control over his own company you people are sad

  • @ZimaBlue99
    @ZimaBlue99 3 месяца назад +3

    Love the closing statement and couldn’t agree more!

  • @dguy-xk4fc
    @dguy-xk4fc 3 месяца назад +1

    Tesla vs Elon: if you fail you get nothing. If you succeed: you also get nothing. From 2018 to now: you also get nothing. Please be the primary investor as well. You get nothing if it goes bankrupt, and it nearly did. Apple failed his car. Dyson failed. So we agree on that what you did was close to impossible. We also agree that early investors made a fortune and thanks for that, but now beat it. fun fact: It only took you 5.8k investment in 2010 to be worth a million in 2020. Give this man his money.

  • @UncleJoeLITE
    @UncleJoeLITE 3 месяца назад +12

    Happy 2nd day of winter from Australia. Now, back to the Musketeer!

  • @bkayser05
    @bkayser05 3 месяца назад

    Just found this channel, wasn't sure what my thoughts would be but the moment you said, "I want to see it fail just because Musk will throw a public tantrum," was icing on the cake. I'm sold on subscribing just on that comment alone.

  • @RudyVon184
    @RudyVon184 3 месяца назад +3

    The pay package is excessive, but it was agreed to in 2018. This video failed to take into account the mocking from analysts at the time in 2018 that the milestones could never be achieved and that Musk would not receive a penny. Musk achieved the goals and therefore the agreement should stand. The earlier analogy of hiring a contractor to build a home and later having a leftwing radical judge rule that it is unenforceable because he deemed it excessive is an good example of how this is ridiculous. Both parties agreed to the contract and the contract was fulfilled, then it’s only fair that the payment be received at the agreed upon price. The what ifs and that Musk is asking or will be asking for more shares are other topics that muddy the current topic. Wall Street Millennial usually does a good job in its analysis; however they fell far short to properly explain the topic and for all the intro about trying to remain neutral, its advice at the end speaks for its overall biased reporting. I think Musk politics has created enemies from the left-wing business reporters, however they need to be professional and not let their political views taint their business reporting. Sure, there will be around a 10% dip in common shareholder stock value, but the Wall Street Millennial fails to mention that Musk has the ability to increase Tesla’s valuation far above the initial 10% short term hit.
    The pay package will most likely fail. If I were Musk, I would step down as CEO and sell my entire shares or do so gradually without any SEC violations. Then take the knowhow and die-hard workers that are willing to follow him into creating a private electric car company as SpaceX is structured. Then the fools that voted the package down will see their Tesla stock crater.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад +1

      the deal wasn't thrown out for being excessive. It was thrown out because it wasn't negotiated legally. The board is supposed to act on behalf of investors and negotiate a pay package that is in their best interest. The Tesla board didn't do this. Musk filled it with sycophants who just do what he tells them. The evidence proved they rubber stamped the number he picked. So the size of the deal wasn't the issue, it was the fact that the board made no effort to do their duty.

    • @RudyVon184
      @RudyVon184 3 месяца назад

      @@ThatGuy-bz2in What is your definition of legally? There was a legal shareholder vote. If you seem to think that shareholders were tricked into voting yes then that is on them for not doing their own due diligence. There were plenty of analysts that ridiculed the agreement. How do you know that the board didn’t act on behalf of investors and do its duty? Some investors at the time heavy shorted the stock like Bill Gates because Tesla at one point was near the brink of going bankrupt. Musk’s leadership helped to create the Tesla valuation of today. Many shareholders have profited enormously during Musk’s tenure. Get the facts straight. I do think the amount is excessive, but that is subjective. The shareholders voted for the package in exchange for Musk achieving difficult milestones that again I remember being laughed at by the so-called business experts. Musk fulfilled his end of the bargain. I don’t see how anyone can logically not allow this compensation agreement to stand. I do think that the Judge erred. Keep in mind that we wouldn’t need supreme courts if our justice system was always correct. It has its flaws and hopefully the supreme courts makes things right.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад +1

      @@RudyVon184 my definition of legally is "does it comply with the law". The board of directors has a responsibility to act on behalf of shareholders. Their job was to negotiate the pay package with musk to get the best deal possible for shareholders. We know they did not do this. It was proved at trial. There was no negotiation at all. They rubber stamped the number musk picked. The shareholders approved the deal without it being disclosed to them that the board had not done their job. Therefore, the shareholders were misled and deal is void.

    • @RudyVon184
      @RudyVon184 3 месяца назад +2

      @@ThatGuy-bz2in You miss the point. Let’s assume that you are correct. The Board of Directors at the time or even today are just puppets of Musk. You are correct that the Board of Directors has fiduciary duties to the preferred and common shareholders. I saw nothing indicating that they did not act on behalf of the shareholders. The 2018 compensation package contained milestones that would enormously benefit shareholders if achieved. If the milestones were not achieved, Musk gets nothing. I would argue that the Board of Directors did act on behalf of the shareholders and the stock price from 2018 to now proves it. The stock price of Tesla at the end of 2018 was $22.19. The current stock price today at 12:00pm EST is around $178. Okay, let’s talk about the compensation amount that you claim was rubberstamped, even though you stated earlier that the amount does not matter. So what? You are right, it should not matter. What matters is that a package detailing the terms of a compensation agreement was presented to the common shareholders to vote on back in 2018. To either agree or reject. The Board of Directors has no power to adopt the compensation agreement, only the common share voters. It was voted on and passed by the shareholders, not by the Board of Directors. The contract details are clearly spelled out to anyone that can read and it is available to all investor. It’s a standard contract. A contract can be voided for something illegal or if at least one party was under duress. The 2018 compensation package was not illegal and no party was under duress. I believe that the main reason this compensation package was rejected by the Judge is because of the amount, which you agree shouldn’t matter because both parties agreed. If it was only for one dollar, do you seriously think the Judge would have found this contract void? And/or for partisan politics that has started to influence our judicial system.

    • @NickDavis-kt1we
      @NickDavis-kt1we 3 месяца назад

      @@ThatGuy-bz2in Not dislosed? It's on the SEC website. Just google it. Tell me. Why do you hate Musk so much that it impairs your logic?

  • @francisdelacruz6439
    @francisdelacruz6439 3 месяца назад +1

    You can tie this up in another golden chain with another set of performance parameters but with safeguards for actual disbursement. Such as certification of the FSD for public roads in the US with the limited sensoirs they currently use.

  • @wouldntyouliketoknow9891
    @wouldntyouliketoknow9891 3 месяца назад +1

    7:28 "We dont know how involved Musk is in day to day operations" - no, but we can take an educated guess. Model 3 and Model Y - not very involved. Cybertruck - That was ALL Musk the whole way. Firing the entire supercharger team - That was Musk all the way.

  • @jamess7315
    @jamess7315 3 месяца назад +2

    This is a partisan video. Your analogy with the contractor is wrong - the right analogy would be that the contractor meets stretch targets and quadruples the value of the value of your house but a judge says you don’t have to pay him. Wouldn’t you still pay him what is a lot of money because of how much you benefited? Many would because that was the deal, and because it is fair. Shareholders benefited massively. Find another blue chip stock that grew so much over that period.

  • @hamie63_m
    @hamie63_m 3 месяца назад +1

    I wonder what all all the bricked cybertruck owners would vote

  • @geoffreyhughes1
    @geoffreyhughes1 3 месяца назад +2

    If the company signed the deal; then pay the man.

    • @geoffreyhughes1
      @geoffreyhughes1 3 месяца назад

      It's a matter of honoring the contract. If he has met the terms, he gets paid. Simple

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад

      @@geoffreyhughes1 The problem is the deal was not made in good faith. The board is supposed to be independent and work for the good of the shareholders. In this case, the board is not independent. They are all friends and family of musk, so they just rubber stamp whatever he tells them to. That made the deal null and void since the shareholders were not aware how bad the board really was. So the contract doesn't need to be "honored" because it was never valid in the 1st place.

    • @geoffreyhughes1
      @geoffreyhughes1 3 месяца назад

      @@ThatGuy-bz2in Musk should take this to court then. He could probably prove he acted in good faith pretty easily.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад

      @@geoffreyhughes1 lol you're kidding right? It went to court. He lost. It was proven that the board did not act in good faith and did not do their duty to the shareholders.

    • @geoffreyhughes1
      @geoffreyhughes1 3 месяца назад

      @@ThatGuy-bz2in then the issue is solved then. Why argue the point in a video or rant in a comment. He isn't getting the money.

  • @wayando
    @wayando 3 месяца назад +4

    " Legal Obligation" ... Are you serious? ... If you said tou would pay someone, you pay them.
    You don't go to a judge to try and slime away from the obligation ... After receiving the service.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 месяца назад +1

      It's wild, because it's short term as hell. If this can be done to Elon, then how easy will it be for employers to do it? In fact, isn't it more reasonable to think Elon is a scape goat to create a precedent to use against workers later? People aren't smart.

    • @wayando
      @wayando 3 месяца назад

      @@Tential1 .... For real! ... The establishment tells people to hate Elon ... And suddenly everything done to him is okay ... People don't realize that after the weapons are formed against this one man, they are actually usable on literally anyone.

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 3 месяца назад

      @@Tential1 The court's ruling was that the board failed it fiduciary responsibilities to its shareholders as it was beholden to Musk. In the case of a publicly listed company, the shareholders are very much like "workers" anywhere else. The board has a duty to see that their interests are first and foremost. It has a duty to ensure that their "pay" isn't cut.
      Unfortunately, it seems that not all shareholders are aware that their net investment is going to take about a 10% hit if this package is voter approved.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 3 месяца назад

      @@Tential1 lol what? What precedent? The whole point is that Elon stacked the board with sycophants and used them to lie to investors to get his package passed. That is why the deal was iced. I'm not sure how workers could stack the board of directors to get paid...

  • @jmbaka007
    @jmbaka007 3 месяца назад

    That's a whole Twitter plus 11 billion.

  • @FabioGiardinelli
    @FabioGiardinelli 3 месяца назад +1

    Imagine if he doesn't get payed and he step down as a CEO if also start dumping his shares guess what happens to the share price. Then the real investor really could loose lots of money just out of greed.