Until laws are passed that allow mechanisms to curb their greed the socially destructive behavior will continue, exactly what happens with all socially destructive behavior.
55:00 - During COVID people had to go into the Office way less and in some cases it was even forbidden to go to the office. Now that that's more or less over people are in the office way more (yes that's not the case for EVERY industry, but still). If a one way drive to the workplace is on average 1,5h, that's 3h lost to sitting in traffic which could, in a work from home setting, be spent gaming (and/or family time, cooking, cleaning and the whole 9 yards).
Agree - but there is also too much entertainment for the limited time we have to consume. RUclips, Twitch, Netflix and Co... everyone is fighting for our attention.
1:19:30 - Worth remembering that although Microsoft is worth $3tril, that's sharemarket value (how much investors think they're worth), which isn't indicative of the company's actual wealth. Per their 2023 annual report, they're worth $206bil of which $110bil is liquid capital. So were they to liquidate tomorrow, the shareholders probably wouldn't receive near the share value. (This is prior to the activision acquisition, so interesting to see how it looks in the June reports).
Net income was $21.9 billion and increased 20% in the last quarter. I know you're giving context to the numbers so I have no issue with it but I just want to emphasize that if we were in a healthy economic system, I doubt these moves would be made. They make gobs of money.
@@Emma_Z1 there is nothing like a good ol RUclips comment distilling a complex situation in black and white to uphold his moral superiority, everything is a spectrum m8
It's not surprising to hear that Zeke's chat was full of backseaters during HoMM3. Anyone uninitiated might not even know how large that community is still to this date. During prime time for Europe, you can find thousands of players online on the 3rd party lobby server that everyone uses for PvP + who knows how many playing offline. Legendary game for sure.
I think Cohh’s delay was pretty big today. He was constantly interrupting this episode. Idk what changed from last episode, but i just noticed it more this episode. Love the show!
Cohh's favorite thing to do on this is read his chat, do something completely unrelated, then wander back into a conversation just as someone is about to make a point and cut them off and talk over them. Sometimes he even repeats what someone just said and everyone has to laugh and play along.
@@TheTaintedeclipse why do you have to pick between two extremes. Just make it balanced and let people finish there sentences. It's not rocket science.
For people who want to have the correct information on the CM that was fired on HD2. He was the Owner of the original HD Discord, which was not affiliated with Arrowhead (given that the game was released on 2015). He deleted because people were using Helldivers 2 Discord for Helldivers 1 matters, and because he would not be able to be a moderator to HD1 Discord while being a CM on Arrowhead. He was not fired because he was an "Asshole" even though he would sometimes poke at the comunity, he was fired (Confirmed by him on Reddit) because he asked people on the Official Discord to Bomb the Steam so Arrowhead could use it as a bargain chip with Sony.
1:44:0 no Cohh. Replacing creatives is only part of the discussion. Replacing entry level programmers is also an enormous problem for the longevity of game development. We're already seeing a huge brain drain in the industry, and this short sighted attempt to save money by having the lower level tasks automated by A.I. is going to make it much, much worse.
Cohh doesn't seem to care, he's got his bag. Entry level developers are getting wiped out as we speak, art creatives will be able to be commissioned once and then AI will do the work. Then we have fast food, and other such situations where you place an order, which won't need anyone to take your order soon. Then there's voice acting. A bit more distant you've got transit and shipping. Once AI hits its stride it is going to wipe out industries. There will not be enough jobs.
Put it this way, if S Bond asks you to play Poker with her, agree. The amount of tells in that interview was remarkable. NLP bods would have a field day with the eye movement
I don't show my criticism for Coh often, but hearing him saying I googled it and gaming is growing and it's awesome and just accept that as an absolute constant reality is absurd.
I feel the same way Dread Delusion as Zelenograd feels about Hades 2. I want to play the game now but I’m choosing to wait for 1.0, which is fortunately in a few days.
It already has my friend indie games has been growing steadily since 2010 for that entire decade so many indie games came out that were so good and popped off on steam, This decade will be even more insane for the success stories
This is completely not true. Are indies games better than ever? Yes absolutely. But it's also incredibly hard for them because great indie games are released ALL THE TIME. The other day like 12 legitimately great indie games were released on one day on Steam. The entire industry is congested.
A couple of my major thoughts from this episode: 1. There's no way that the people that drop into chats and say those jokes think that you are talking about them. Cause, of course they only do the funny jokes so they don't need to be offended. :P 2. Let's not pretend that the hand monster from Pan's Labyrinth doesn't look like Mitch McConnell.
1:06:00 Marvel Rivals is basically doing what other companies sometimes does but upfront. If you get in Nintendo's good graces to review their games and they send you games in advance...then completely shit on Zelda and Mario because you genuinely didn't like those games. Nintendo will sever their relationship and privileges with you. Other companies do similar things as we've seen as you'll probably hear youtubers talk about when X or Y company didn't send them an advanced copy so the review they post will be later than others. Given that I've known this for a long time...its not exactly an industry secret...the assumption that streamers AND reviewers will be nicer than they need to be about games they cover is already factored in.
AI will not necessarily only shorten the dev cycle. It WILL decrease the need for actual developers. I don't see AI(or whatever it actually is) as a benefit currently, because money incentivizes lowering cost, not necessarily making more product.
Right, the profits from productivity will always be given to the business owner, and other invested parties, it'll never go to labor. Not only can AI obliterate staffing requirements, it also obliterates entry level positions. The stuff we have AI solve, at least in my experience as a software engineer, has been what we'd traditionally put to juniors to work on. Obviously that's not happening everywhere and there is granularity to the degree at which it happens where it does.
The fact that Sony as the publisher published the game on Steam in regions where it would not function, tells me Sony is a bad actor. It doesn't say anybody else is good or bad, but that tells me Sony was acting in bad faith from day 1.
Ads in games aren't inherently evil. The vending goodies and sega arcades in Yakuza, the Coleman camping crap & Cup Noodle in FF15. Those are diegetic to the games, the issue is the loading screens of Dark Souls being replaced with 2 minites of youtube ads for fake mobiles & scam sites
I think JP might be overstating at how bad Overwatch 2 is doing. It’s still consistently in the Top 10-15 most played on Xbox and I assume it’s similar on PlayStation. Its reputation may be soiled somewhat by streamers and the hardcore community but it’s still being played.
As someone who has played Overwatch since 2016, the game is arguably in the best state it's ever been from a content and balancing pov. I don't blame streamers for feeling burnt out on OW considering they've prob sunk thousands of hours in it during its heyday, but for the average player it's easily one of the best multiplayer shooters in the market right now
It's weird too since Jp said he never even got that marvels rival contract. which is weird since he either got one and he just skipped it and wanted to play the game right away.
We are living on a game crash basically, every crash or crisis is gradual and it erodes to the point of a big crash. Indies are the way forward for all gamers
Worst thing about GOT is that steam or at least sony is removing GOT from steam in 170+ regions even THOUGH the PSN account is ONLY for the MP in GOT, not the single player. which means I guess sony is just going well if this game needs PSN account then were just going to remove it completely even IF the single player doesn't need a PSN account to play it.
Yeah seems weird that more people are hung up with microsoft when sony is literally taking a game away from people who already had it. I see studios close all the time. Only ubisoft & sony said “you cant play this anymore”
In the EU, Sony isn't legally allowed to sell a game that doesn't have feature parity with other countries. So in order to have PSN required for multiplayer in the countries that have it, they cannot sell in EU countries without PSN.
@@shadow12k "Hung up on Microsoft" my god this isn't a competition. Microsoft is a terrible company with a long history of union busting and just bought a bunch of studios a few years ago only to close them just recently. What Sony does not only doesn't compare, it doesn't need to compare because it's a completely different thing.
Game pass just needs to get revamped. With the cost of making Triple A games, or any game for that matter, being so high, it kind of just cuts out a lot of the ROI when a game releases and is instantly placed into game pass. We see and hear about games being played by millions of people just after launch, but with services like game pass, the amount of people that have purchased said game is probably about half that. They should roll it back a bit. Give a time window until a game can be added onto it so that there can be a true showing of how financially profitable or not a game is/can be. Maybe like 6 months to a year after full release. You obviously are not going to see a game become a financial success if you are offering the consumer a way to play the game “for free” through your own subscription service.
It's a sword that cuts both ways. If you make games come out way later on gamepass, and your active consumer base knows that, a BUNCH of people will wait to play it. Especially in the case of 60€ games, you're getting it for so much cheaper. Then those companies can't come out and advertise on the launchweek "We have 10 million active users" or similar. Companies don't like growth spread out over a long timeframe (I feel like they should, maybe they even do? I ain't an economist, you understand). In short. Big companies want that huge launch week, that would probably diminish that by a considerable amount
This doesn't work either. Take Sony for example. They put Horizon Forbidden West on their Game Pass equivalent service and its sales cratered and this was over a year after it released. Game Pass doesn't work. In fact streaming subscriptions in general do not work for the most part. Netflix is the major exception and it took them years and years of borrowing money to get in their current position.
Regarding the possible success of Marvel Rivals, people are missing a massive distinction when it comes to the Marvel IP: MCU is dying/in decline. It's old news. It feels like homework. It's lame. It's culturally becoming irrelevant. MARVEL itself isn't. There are millions of former MCU fans who DO wish to engage with the Marvel characters/universe they used to care about, but the MCU has fumbled so much, that they're done with it. For them, a game like this is perfect. They can enjoy Marvel without MCU.
Remember when some people were actually hyped and happy that Xbox is buying Bethesda or Activision? :P Now we will see more studio closures, because Xbox has to cut costs after spending tons of money on this shopping spree. I seriously think no studio that isn't "core" Xbox studio (Rare, 343 etc) is at risk. It will be no surprise if Ninja Theory or Double Fine will get shut down. And yes, indie games will be fine. From a player perspective - there will ALWAYS be indie studios and at least couple of good/great indie games every month. Yes, from devs perspective indie market is risky of course, and very crowded. But for players? We're eating.
When managers consume their own futures for short term gains, that's broken capitalism. Cohh mentioned Nintendo. Nintendo is not the most valuable/profitable company in the world and they also make mistakes but they've been around for over a hundred years and they reinvent themselves every decade. They know how to play the infinite game correctly.
@@SabreRunnerMicrosoft and Sony are in the same boat. I'm leaning towards Sonys biggest mistake basing themselves here in California though. Japan has had a history of over investing in the West, failing to meet growth expectations, appearing to be wounded and on the verge of death, and then normalize again. Just look at Bandai Namco.
@@Ioganstone Streamers think of Game Pass the way they play games. They play games constantly. So a service that has hundreds of games that rotates new ones in and out is perfect for them. For the larger casual customer base? Absolutely not, most people play fewer than three games a year. It's a good example of an echo chamber creating this idea that "oh my god Game Pass is so valuable look at all these great games." It also trained the Xbox console base to just not buy games because they might go into Game Pass. Then when you consider the ultimate goal of a service like Game Pass is to dominate the market and raise the price over and over again like Netflix, and I totally understand your irritation. It's very annoying to be so myopic.
About gaming slowing down, it is in alteast the US if you check the money spent by year for gaming, it's down since Covid so there is some truth to that.
I hate the Helldivers 2 discourse, because the HD2 subreddit has been toxic AF ever since the first balance match a month (two months?) ago and the latest PSN thing didn't make things better. There were people being toxic to the Discord community managers, being toxic on Twitter, being toxic on Reddit, the whole gamut. So the community managers reflected that toxicity back, and then the community is like, "Wow, that's unprofessional. Arrowhead should fire that guy", as if they are completely blameless and innocent in the entire thing. The discussion well is completely poisoned by the community. I love the game, and I'm willing to give the developer company the benefit of the doubt. I have no trust whatsoever in Sony and no good faith for the community either.
@@brilobox2 The sad thing is Scarlet & Violet are great Pokémon games held back by shitty technical issues. There's still a great game there, they just need to sort their performance and bugs out.
It's not hypocrisy but ignorance, Cohh just isn't that aware of what Nintendo is doing and in two years from now he'll have the next console going, "I don't think this outputs the same amount of tesseracts as a PS5 does."
I'm not sure where you got your information from, but since Microsoft has never released transparent numbers about it, there's no way to possibly know. We can reason, if it was very profitable, they wouldn't be obfuscating the numbers the way they do.
@@HastyElderHamanThe problem is Microsoft can easily justify "Gamepass growth= Capitalizing consumer base= Growth in the market." Which as we've been seeing with all these streaming services, they're hitting a ceiling and as inflation occurs will only slope down over time. Its' the Epic Game Store giving you free games to try and capture Steams userbase shenanigans all over again.
you little defensive dwarves stop being so personally offended. Coh is and will always be biased towards capitalism because he and is family is set for life. that is just a fact and very much not like the rest of the population. agree or stay restarted
Xbots and their excuses are hilarious. You see how they are rewriting tne xbox narrative, from a home for small devs to grow to a no sympathy get rid of any potential unless they make big money immediately mindset. In the space of one week!
@@countryc0unt That just seems like a lie, because Jeff Grubb had access to the numbers at that point and it absolutely wasn't. Greenberg has a history of lying, he's a marketer after all it's pretty much his job.
In response to Cohh about not liking to play on a small screen and wanting to play games on PC or console… I don’t even own a PC or console. If there is a game coming out for PC or console, I watch a streamer play it on my TV, while I play a mobile game on my phone.
That's hilarious that you can't say that overwatch was a clone of something our other considering it is just a skin of Team fortress classic 2. with some different maps.
If you're curious about what's happening with the economy, look up "Peter Zeihan population pyramid." His theory makes a lot of sense to me, and even if you disagree with his conclusions, you can't ignore his facts. I just feel we like to forget that all we're talking about here are just silly entertainment jobs and not the real issues coming for all of us. Sure, it's why we follow people like this, but the perspective seems very narrow and myopic, fundamentally lacking proper insight into the real reasons beyond just "greed and capitalism bad bruh!".
I'm sorry but gamepass was never profitable. lol, what because xshit actually said it? lol, a 5 year old coudl tell they don't make money due to the amount of people that are subbed and the amount of money they shell out to put games on ther.e it's not like they put games on game pass for free. it's the same for Epic games where they don;'t turn a profit for the free games you get for free every thursday.
Microsoft has never released actual numbers around it. People thinking it's profitable though based on clever wording is exactly the same reason people think Phil Spencer is a good guy. They're good at PR in this space.
This is going to be a ramblerant on business from someone not in business, but with some familiarity of the system. Capitalism isn't inherently bad; Cohh was right to distinguish it from corporate capitalism. One focuses on value, the other focuses on money. The issue with the modern video game industry is the lack of oversight on what is and isn't allowed. The reason AAA is moving to mobile is because regulations are catching onto the current video game market, and they want to run there to hide their unethical practices where it's still allowed. Everything is on fire right now because for the last decade the AAA industry was catching the market on fire with maximizing profits using practices that were eventually caught and regulated, mixed with Covid making people paranoid about their dollar. To simplify the timeline, games find an infinite font of money from lootboxes, overpriced DLC, half finished products being sold full price and licenses, they dig as deep and as hard as they possibly can into it, it lights up some sirens, it gets regulated in some areas, investors see a drop in profits that's impossible to match because it came from an unethical root that's losing viability, Covid hits on top of that and adds to the popularity followed immediately by the decline of the market, market destabilizes and the moneymakers start pointing fingers at everyone but themselves for past mistakes, then people get fired in an attempt to stabilize.
Capitalism is a system in which the powers that be exploit labor in order to build value. Basically they gain more value from their workers than they pay. Otherwise the system doesn't work. I'm sure an actual economist could do a better job, but the idea that all we need is regulation to fix our current situation I think is naive. Not only are the people in power able to bribe politicians, legally in the United States I might add, but they will never peacefully give up their power.
what you are missing about the phone versus console conversation is that controllers are not gonna be around for long. a whole new generation does not know how to use a controller or a keyboard and only think of technology in terms of touch controls.
The games can be used in those countries, they quite literally just set their country to one that PSN is in. It's in the PlayStation FAQ.... That's not true about Ghosts either, the main game works without a PSN account, the online won't but yet again, you have your account linked to a country that does. I wish people would research before spreading this nonsense, it's been like this for years with zero issues, no issues until the pc crowd start crying ofc...
the CEO money is so disproportionate, when will it be enough? when will it trickle down? when will their greed stop? you know the answer is NEVER
Until laws are passed that allow mechanisms to curb their greed the socially destructive behavior will continue, exactly what happens with all socially destructive behavior.
55:00 - During COVID people had to go into the Office way less and in some cases it was even forbidden to go to the office. Now that that's more or less over people are in the office way more (yes that's not the case for EVERY industry, but still). If a one way drive to the workplace is on average 1,5h, that's 3h lost to sitting in traffic which could, in a work from home setting, be spent gaming (and/or family time, cooking, cleaning and the whole 9 yards).
Agree - but there is also too much entertainment for the limited time we have to consume. RUclips, Twitch, Netflix and Co... everyone is fighting for our attention.
... Trying to wrap my head around a world where the average trip to the workplace is an hour and a half, jesus
1:19:30 - Worth remembering that although Microsoft is worth $3tril, that's sharemarket value (how much investors think they're worth), which isn't indicative of the company's actual wealth.
Per their 2023 annual report, they're worth $206bil of which $110bil is liquid capital. So were they to liquidate tomorrow, the shareholders probably wouldn't receive near the share value.
(This is prior to the activision acquisition, so interesting to see how it looks in the June reports).
Current assets and earning potential are obviously separate values.
Net income was $21.9 billion and increased 20% in the last quarter. I know you're giving context to the numbers so I have no issue with it but I just want to emphasize that if we were in a healthy economic system, I doubt these moves would be made. They make gobs of money.
Cohh: Corpo-Capitalism. My dude that's just capitalism.
Capitalism is a spectrum.
he is in denial because he is also a capitalist and loves money
@@awgmax capitalism is profiting from workers labor to gain more capital, no spectrum at all
@@Emma_Z1 there is nothing like a good ol RUclips comment distilling a complex situation in black and white to uphold his moral superiority, everything is a spectrum m8
@@a3-radio yeah I hate those type of people, they act like there's only 1 possibility.
my head hurts after the first 10 minutes of the show... GOOD SHOW SIIRR
It's not surprising to hear that Zeke's chat was full of backseaters during HoMM3. Anyone uninitiated might not even know how large that community is still to this date. During prime time for Europe, you can find thousands of players online on the 3rd party lobby server that everyone uses for PvP + who knows how many playing offline. Legendary game for sure.
I think Cohh’s delay was pretty big today. He was constantly interrupting this episode. Idk what changed from last episode, but i just noticed it more this episode. Love the show!
No, he just likes to interrupt people is all.
cohh always does that. if a thought is in his head he has to say it
The amount of times jp gets interrupted on his own show is actually crazy. I know it's sometimes delay but damn let the man talk.
Cohh's favorite thing to do on this is read his chat, do something completely unrelated, then wander back into a conversation just as someone is about to make a point and cut them off and talk over them. Sometimes he even repeats what someone just said and everyone has to laugh and play along.
I’m glad i’m not the only one. Zeke can hardly get a word in. And JP can hardly finish a sentence.
Welcome to what a conversation with co-hosts that have ADHD? I'll take a lively podcast over awkward silence everytime.
@@TheTaintedeclipse why do you have to pick between two extremes. Just make it balanced and let people finish there sentences. It's not rocket science.
Excuses, ADHD doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. How about dont have chat up and pay attention to your hosts?
For people who want to have the correct information on the CM that was fired on HD2.
He was the Owner of the original HD Discord, which was not affiliated with Arrowhead (given that the game was released on 2015).
He deleted because people were using Helldivers 2 Discord for Helldivers 1 matters, and because he would not be able to be a moderator to HD1 Discord while being a CM on Arrowhead.
He was not fired because he was an "Asshole" even though he would sometimes poke at the comunity, he was fired (Confirmed by him on Reddit) because he asked people on the Official Discord to Bomb the Steam so Arrowhead could use it as a bargain chip with Sony.
Yeah, he’s was fighting the good fight & the parasocial weirdos are lying. They are lying on Reddit too.
1:44:0 no Cohh. Replacing creatives is only part of the discussion. Replacing entry level programmers is also an enormous problem for the longevity of game development. We're already seeing a huge brain drain in the industry, and this short sighted attempt to save money by having the lower level tasks automated by A.I. is going to make it much, much worse.
Cohh doesn't seem to care, he's got his bag. Entry level developers are getting wiped out as we speak, art creatives will be able to be commissioned once and then AI will do the work. Then we have fast food, and other such situations where you place an order, which won't need anyone to take your order soon. Then there's voice acting. A bit more distant you've got transit and shipping. Once AI hits its stride it is going to wipe out industries. There will not be enough jobs.
Put it this way, if S Bond asks you to play Poker with her, agree. The amount of tells in that interview was remarkable. NLP bods would have a field day with the eye movement
I don't show my criticism for Coh often, but hearing him saying I googled it and gaming is growing and it's awesome and just accept that as an absolute constant reality is absurd.
It's the perfect example of confirmation bias.
I feel the same way Dread Delusion as Zelenograd feels about Hades 2. I want to play the game now but I’m choosing to wait for 1.0, which is fortunately in a few days.
Omg thanks for reminding me DD 1.0 is tomorrow!
i felll asleep watching this 3 times. So a 3h show tok me 12h to finish
thanks for a chill discussion about games and stuff
The golden moment of the Indie and Small Game Studio is upon us. Glory be to Gaben the Glorious of the Realm of Steam.
seems like only yesterday people were calling steam bad for indie because of the cut they take. moving the goal post is fun
It already has my friend indie games has been growing steadily since 2010 for that entire decade so many indie games came out that were so good and popped off on steam, This decade will be even more insane for the success stories
You do realise most 'indie' developers want to be big developers eventually?
This is completely not true. Are indies games better than ever? Yes absolutely. But it's also incredibly hard for them because great indie games are released ALL THE TIME. The other day like 12 legitimately great indie games were released on one day on Steam. The entire industry is congested.
Zeke's server emails were sent to his AOL account thats also still active. 😂
I fucking LOVE Zeke's excited rant about HOMM3. That was absolutely great.
A couple of my major thoughts from this episode:
1. There's no way that the people that drop into chats and say those jokes think that you are talking about them. Cause, of course they only do the funny jokes so they don't need to be offended. :P
2. Let's not pretend that the hand monster from Pan's Labyrinth doesn't look like Mitch McConnell.
1:06:00 Marvel Rivals is basically doing what other companies sometimes does but upfront.
If you get in Nintendo's good graces to review their games and they send you games in advance...then completely shit on Zelda and Mario because you genuinely didn't like those games. Nintendo will sever their relationship and privileges with you. Other companies do similar things as we've seen as you'll probably hear youtubers talk about when X or Y company didn't send them an advanced copy so the review they post will be later than others.
Given that I've known this for a long time...its not exactly an industry secret...the assumption that streamers AND reviewers will be nicer than they need to be about games they cover is already factored in.
Because of this video, I was able to cancel my 6mo WoW sub before it re-upped later this month.
AI will not necessarily only shorten the dev cycle. It WILL decrease the need for actual developers. I don't see AI(or whatever it actually is) as a benefit currently, because money incentivizes lowering cost, not necessarily making more product.
Right, the profits from productivity will always be given to the business owner, and other invested parties, it'll never go to labor. Not only can AI obliterate staffing requirements, it also obliterates entry level positions. The stuff we have AI solve, at least in my experience as a software engineer, has been what we'd traditionally put to juniors to work on. Obviously that's not happening everywhere and there is granularity to the degree at which it happens where it does.
Thanks for the show.
Losing tango hurts so bad
The fact that Sony as the publisher published the game on Steam in regions where it would not function, tells me Sony is a bad actor. It doesn't say anybody else is good or bad, but that tells me Sony was acting in bad faith from day 1.
Ads in games aren't inherently evil. The vending goodies and sega arcades in Yakuza, the Coleman camping crap & Cup Noodle in FF15. Those are diegetic to the games, the issue is the loading screens of Dark Souls being replaced with 2 minites of youtube ads for fake mobiles & scam sites
I think JP might be overstating at how bad Overwatch 2 is doing. It’s still consistently in the Top 10-15 most played on Xbox and I assume it’s similar on PlayStation. Its reputation may be soiled somewhat by streamers and the hardcore community but it’s still being played.
As someone who has played Overwatch since 2016, the game is arguably in the best state it's ever been from a content and balancing pov. I don't blame streamers for feeling burnt out on OW considering they've prob sunk thousands of hours in it during its heyday, but for the average player it's easily one of the best multiplayer shooters in the market right now
This Marvel Overwatch clone is so bland and soulless. I'll be surprised if it survives even one year.
Its good to know even high end corporations have trouble explaining their job to the public
It's weird too since Jp said he never even got that marvels rival contract. which is weird since he either got one and he just skipped it and wanted to play the game right away.
Def didn’t read it. It doesn’t matter though.
Cohh telling coal miners...just learn to code oh wait ai does that go learn to...
We are living on a game crash basically, every crash or crisis is gradual and it erodes to the point of a big crash. Indies are the way forward for all gamers
Worst thing about GOT is that steam or at least sony is removing GOT from steam in 170+ regions even THOUGH the PSN account is ONLY for the MP in GOT, not the single player. which means I guess sony is just going well if this game needs PSN account then were just going to remove it completely even IF the single player doesn't need a PSN account to play it.
Yeah seems weird that more people are hung up with microsoft when sony is literally taking a game away from people who already had it. I see studios close all the time. Only ubisoft & sony said “you cant play this anymore”
Steam removing it because you will pay full price in region without PSN for not full game
In the EU, Sony isn't legally allowed to sell a game that doesn't have feature parity with other countries. So in order to have PSN required for multiplayer in the countries that have it, they cannot sell in EU countries without PSN.
@@shadow12k double standards, people forget about all the BS Sony just pulled the moment anything else happens.
@@shadow12k "Hung up on Microsoft" my god this isn't a competition. Microsoft is a terrible company with a long history of union busting and just bought a bunch of studios a few years ago only to close them just recently. What Sony does not only doesn't compare, it doesn't need to compare because it's a completely different thing.
To be clear arcane austin was slated to be shuttered it was postponed when the zenimax ceo died...Todd took over and was making zenimax eat the losses
Game pass just needs to get revamped. With the cost of making Triple A games, or any game for that matter, being so high, it kind of just cuts out a lot of the ROI when a game releases and is instantly placed into game pass. We see and hear about games being played by millions of people just after launch, but with services like game pass, the amount of people that have purchased said game is probably about half that. They should roll it back a bit. Give a time window until a game can be added onto it so that there can be a true showing of how financially profitable or not a game is/can be. Maybe like 6 months to a year after full release. You obviously are not going to see a game become a financial success if you are offering the consumer a way to play the game “for free” through your own subscription service.
It's a sword that cuts both ways. If you make games come out way later on gamepass, and your active consumer base knows that, a BUNCH of people will wait to play it. Especially in the case of 60€ games, you're getting it for so much cheaper. Then those companies can't come out and advertise on the launchweek "We have 10 million active users" or similar. Companies don't like growth spread out over a long timeframe (I feel like they should, maybe they even do? I ain't an economist, you understand).
In short. Big companies want that huge launch week, that would probably diminish that by a considerable amount
This doesn't work either. Take Sony for example. They put Horizon Forbidden West on their Game Pass equivalent service and its sales cratered and this was over a year after it released. Game Pass doesn't work. In fact streaming subscriptions in general do not work for the most part. Netflix is the major exception and it took them years and years of borrowing money to get in their current position.
Maybe some of these execs aren't qualified for their positions?
Cohh sounds so disgustingly corpo with this helldivers thing
😂😂😂 hes right tho, like come off it
is there a new game without some form of controversy?
I'm probably one of the 7 people who did buy Hi Fi Rush outright and not on gamepass :/
I bought Hi-Fi Rush and the next day they closed the studio. Literally within 24 hours. 😢
my head is spinning...😖
saying game pass is "viable" isnt exactly the same as saying "profitable".. just saying
Regarding the possible success of Marvel Rivals, people are missing a massive distinction when it comes to the Marvel IP:
MCU is dying/in decline. It's old news. It feels like homework. It's lame. It's culturally becoming irrelevant.
MARVEL itself isn't.
There are millions of former MCU fans who DO wish to engage with the Marvel characters/universe they used to care about, but the MCU has fumbled so much, that they're done with it.
For them, a game like this is perfect. They can enjoy Marvel without MCU.
On the Rivas contrat, they are just like " Don't compare us with Overwatch, and only sing praises on our game"
Gosh I still have to play Hades 1 lol
Remember when some people were actually hyped and happy that Xbox is buying Bethesda or Activision? :P Now we will see more studio closures, because Xbox has to cut costs after spending tons of money on this shopping spree. I seriously think no studio that isn't "core" Xbox studio (Rare, 343 etc) is at risk. It will be no surprise if Ninja Theory or Double Fine will get shut down.
And yes, indie games will be fine. From a player perspective - there will ALWAYS be indie studios and at least couple of good/great indie games every month. Yes, from devs perspective indie market is risky of course, and very crowded. But for players? We're eating.
It always comes back to enshittification and broken capitalism.
That's just capitalism, friend.
for one, why do streamers get off buying gamepass and ruining the gaming industry
When managers consume their own futures for short term gains, that's broken capitalism.
Cohh mentioned Nintendo. Nintendo is not the most valuable/profitable company in the world and they also make mistakes but they've been around for over a hundred years and they reinvent themselves every decade. They know how to play the infinite game correctly.
@@SabreRunnerMicrosoft and Sony are in the same boat. I'm leaning towards Sonys biggest mistake basing themselves here in California though. Japan has had a history of over investing in the West, failing to meet growth expectations, appearing to be wounded and on the verge of death, and then normalize again. Just look at Bandai Namco.
@@Ioganstone Streamers think of Game Pass the way they play games. They play games constantly. So a service that has hundreds of games that rotates new ones in and out is perfect for them. For the larger casual customer base? Absolutely not, most people play fewer than three games a year. It's a good example of an echo chamber creating this idea that "oh my god Game Pass is so valuable look at all these great games." It also trained the Xbox console base to just not buy games because they might go into Game Pass. Then when you consider the ultimate goal of a service like Game Pass is to dominate the market and raise the price over and over again like Netflix, and I totally understand your irritation. It's very annoying to be so myopic.
About gaming slowing down, it is in alteast the US if you check the money spent by year for gaming, it's down since Covid so there is some truth to that.
Streamers rise up? More like streamers read what you sign
Someone should ask PS to change their slogan from play has no limits to play has limits to 69 countries.
I hate the Helldivers 2 discourse, because the HD2 subreddit has been toxic AF ever since the first balance match a month (two months?) ago and the latest PSN thing didn't make things better.
There were people being toxic to the Discord community managers, being toxic on Twitter, being toxic on Reddit, the whole gamut. So the community managers reflected that toxicity back, and then the community is like, "Wow, that's unprofessional. Arrowhead should fire that guy", as if they are completely blameless and innocent in the entire thing.
The discussion well is completely poisoned by the community.
I love the game, and I'm willing to give the developer company the benefit of the doubt. I have no trust whatsoever in Sony and no good faith for the community either.
Cohh cheering on Nintendo is kinda hypocritical
No matter what BS they pull at least they mostly put out great games, sans Pokemon. Put out good games and you can get away with a lot.
@@brilobox2 The sad thing is Scarlet & Violet are great Pokémon games held back by shitty technical issues. There's still a great game there, they just need to sort their performance and bugs out.
It's not hypocrisy but ignorance, Cohh just isn't that aware of what Nintendo is doing and in two years from now he'll have the next console going, "I don't think this outputs the same amount of tesseracts as a PS5 does."
@@aduboo29 Nintendo makes what could be great games hamstrung by their absolute garbage hardware.
JP and Erin not living in same location? is this a Riot California house thing?
They got divorced. It was announced on his Twitch a while ago.
Really?@@tangentkatz
@@MrSekeeroMan Yes, its a friendly split. They're both fine about it.
@@ELVIStheDotA Glad it's amicable
Which stream was it was announced?
Remember folks "canceling" is another term for "the consequences of your own actions" :)
Idk where Cohh got his info but gamepass was never not profitable.
I'm not sure where you got your information from, but since Microsoft has never released transparent numbers about it, there's no way to possibly know. We can reason, if it was very profitable, they wouldn't be obfuscating the numbers the way they do.
@@HastyElderHamanThe problem is Microsoft can easily justify "Gamepass growth= Capitalizing consumer base= Growth in the market." Which as we've been seeing with all these streaming services, they're hitting a ceiling and as inflation occurs will only slope down over time.
Its' the Epic Game Store giving you free games to try and capture Steams userbase shenanigans all over again.
of course cohh would defend capitalism, he's like profiting from the system on crack
Who’s labor is Cohh exploiting to make his millions?
@@brilobox2 oh yeah keep building this straw man so that you can burn it later
@@brilobox2 He gets paid by Amazon, this isn't exactly hard to figure out.
@HastyElderHaman so does literally every successful streamer on twitch. What a dumb thing to say as a gotcha for Cohh.
you little defensive dwarves stop being so personally offended. Coh is and will always be biased towards capitalism because he and is family is set for life. that is just a fact and very much not like the rest of the population. agree or stay restarted
Metacritic score does not pay the bills. If a studio isn't making money they get shut down. This isn't a new thing.
Yeah, I generally don’t understand why people were so surprised these companies games sold like shit
Hi Fi Rush was according to a Microsoft higher up a huge sucess "on every metric"...that has nothing to do with meta critic tho
Xbots and their excuses are hilarious. You see how they are rewriting tne xbox narrative, from a home for small devs to grow to a no sympathy get rid of any potential unless they make big money immediately mindset. In the space of one week!
@@countryc0unt That just seems like a lie, because Jeff Grubb had access to the numbers at that point and it absolutely wasn't. Greenberg has a history of lying, he's a marketer after all it's pretty much his job.
Also go look through the credit info about hifi rush it only sold 300k copies all engagement with that game was on gamepass which was flat in New subs
and now Square Enix is stopping being a Playstation exclusive which can be the beginning of the end for Playstation's exclusive IPs.
Aware Hi fi rush devs Aware
In response to Cohh about not liking to play on a small screen and wanting to play games on PC or console… I don’t even own a PC or console. If there is a game coming out for PC or console, I watch a streamer play it on my TV, while I play a mobile game on my phone.
Boycott triple A games for a couple years and watch them squirm.
Indie game Pog
jp you got a beuty filter on or something? You look stunning! slay
That's hilarious that you can't say that overwatch was a clone of something our other considering it is just a skin of Team fortress classic 2. with some different maps.
If you're curious about what's happening with the economy, look up "Peter Zeihan population pyramid." His theory makes a lot of sense to me, and even if you disagree with his conclusions, you can't ignore his facts. I just feel we like to forget that all we're talking about here are just silly entertainment jobs and not the real issues coming for all of us. Sure, it's why we follow people like this, but the perspective seems very narrow and myopic, fundamentally lacking proper insight into the real reasons beyond just "greed and capitalism bad bruh!".
But why do people need these jobs? Capitalism.
@@ElyonDominus bruh
i really hope IA takes cohh job next year ;/
I'm sorry but gamepass was never profitable. lol, what because xshit actually said it? lol, a 5 year old coudl tell they don't make money due to the amount of people that are subbed and the amount of money they shell out to put games on ther.e it's not like they put games on game pass for free. it's the same for Epic games where they don;'t turn a profit for the free games you get for free every thursday.
Microsoft has never released actual numbers around it. People thinking it's profitable though based on clever wording is exactly the same reason people think Phil Spencer is a good guy. They're good at PR in this space.
Wow I’m first! Hi mom!!
I told your mom you said hi
@@jcat96 dang bro, its sunday, chill🤣
@@jcat96she told me
57:20 there are 2billions playing on mobile and 1billion consol/pc gamer
This is going to be a ramblerant on business from someone not in business, but with some familiarity of the system. Capitalism isn't inherently bad; Cohh was right to distinguish it from corporate capitalism. One focuses on value, the other focuses on money. The issue with the modern video game industry is the lack of oversight on what is and isn't allowed. The reason AAA is moving to mobile is because regulations are catching onto the current video game market, and they want to run there to hide their unethical practices where it's still allowed. Everything is on fire right now because for the last decade the AAA industry was catching the market on fire with maximizing profits using practices that were eventually caught and regulated, mixed with Covid making people paranoid about their dollar. To simplify the timeline, games find an infinite font of money from lootboxes, overpriced DLC, half finished products being sold full price and licenses, they dig as deep and as hard as they possibly can into it, it lights up some sirens, it gets regulated in some areas, investors see a drop in profits that's impossible to match because it came from an unethical root that's losing viability, Covid hits on top of that and adds to the popularity followed immediately by the decline of the market, market destabilizes and the moneymakers start pointing fingers at everyone but themselves for past mistakes, then people get fired in an attempt to stabilize.
Capitalism is a system in which the powers that be exploit labor in order to build value. Basically they gain more value from their workers than they pay. Otherwise the system doesn't work. I'm sure an actual economist could do a better job, but the idea that all we need is regulation to fix our current situation I think is naive. Not only are the people in power able to bribe politicians, legally in the United States I might add, but they will never peacefully give up their power.
what you are missing about the phone versus console conversation is that controllers are not gonna be around for long. a whole new generation does not know how to use a controller or a keyboard and only think of technology in terms of touch controls.
what
@@kayneg9941 CAN YOU READ ENGLISH?
@@Barbabonbon what
@@kayneg9941 nevermind, your 2 dimensional brain couldn't follow. just focus on here and now or you will overheat
I hope that is not true
If I was CEO of microsoft I would create a new covid virus to create a new pandemic and profit from people staying inside.
The games can be used in those countries, they quite literally just set their country to one that PSN is in. It's in the PlayStation FAQ....
That's not true about Ghosts either, the main game works without a PSN account, the online won't but yet again, you have your account linked to a country that does.
I wish people would research before spreading this nonsense, it's been like this for years with zero issues, no issues until the pc crowd start crying ofc...
god i wish obsidian is closed for ever
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