Morgan Arc especially in sense episode was about always believing Victims. But he uses another man wrongfully convicted of sexual assault Who Admitted to it in a plea deal. .the prosecutor Kevin Steal Campaigned entire to female dominated vote on getting Cosby. And looking at what quaaludes actually do and how they were used Lower stress increased labito. And reading the deposition what was asked.was it in your mind and want to sex with the women you gave these quaaludes to. Did he really admitte to knocking anyone out to have sex with them in their sleep?😪
Stories like these make me sick. That guy who just dismissed a guy who lost 30 years of his life while under the fear that he would be executed is a real piece of shit.
He really is. I would love to see someone smack the fuck outta that piece of shit, putting him in a 15 year coma that he wakes up from only to have a day left to live.
Fluffymiyster dealayed Justice is a political correctness word for these DA's to say that they Fucked up but it's not their fault,. Technical terms are not GOD made, they are people made and evil people like this. Making a term doesn't make it a law .... Be aware or remain dumb
I am an African American man who has a child from a girl I dated in college. I moved to the Tampa area from Atlanta to be with my son and help raise him. One day after visitation with him, me and my now wife were dropping him off to his mother when the mother told me to move out of the doorway so that she could go tell my now wife that she is pregnant with my second child (a lie). I stood in the doorway and told her to not do this. Long story short, later that night (3 hours later) she called the police and said I assaulted her by standing in front of the open door. I have never assaulted anyone ever and I am now a licensed psychotherapist and help people with their emotional and behavioral problems. I had to go to court and Glenn Beck's wife was the prosecutor. She threatened me with a year in prison if I went to trial. I had a public defender. A very smart and assertive African American woman. The jury of "my peers" was 6 white men and women. I was found unanimously not guilty. A guilty verdict would had precluded me from ever being a therapist again and had me spend a year in prison. I have NEVER been convicted of anything other than driving violations and am SO thankful I took it to trial and that my public defender was well prepared.
One Love Counseling I think the only reason you were not found guilty is because of your education credentials. In these situations men are usually assumed guilty by default in most domestic abuse cases; Also African American Men have very high conviction verdicts in the legal system. Long story short, you’re a unicorn 🦄.
I was about to say, the “please don’t die” bit is something that has aged like soup. Kinda the same after 2 years but it’s concerning that it’s stayed the same over such a long time
A prosecutor once told me. "My job is to get a conviction by any means necessary and let the truth fall where it may" That is the problem with this system
True. Except the defense attorney doesn't hold the power a prosecutor does! You have never heard the news say "What happens next is up to the defense attorney"
Keylan Bankston TM So the thing is is that Prosecutors and defense attorneys are not under any circumstances supposed to make decisions on the guilt/innocence of defendants. That is the Jury and or Judges job. Attorneys are 100% biased because they have to be.
Again true. But a study done by the Ohio State Bar Association & Cornell University showed that statistically speaking judges accept prosecutors reccomendations 92% of the time. That number is staggering. Judges base their opinion almost soley off of what the prosecutors say. Sure the defendants have a jury to help level this out when on trial but the jury is also heavily influenced by the prosecution! Prosecutors are notorious for bending facts, cutting deals & holding behind door meetings with judges in order to secure a conviction, before a trial, by using the pressure of high risk sentences in order to secure that conviction, whether guilt is present or not. This is corruption at its finest. The problem is that prosecutors should not be looking for a high conviction rate but a high truth finding rate. Their convictions are incentivized and this is the core of the whole rotten apple
Emma With The Gs..... Wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty in this country not the other way around. Read all of my comments to broaden you views on this
It pisses me off that defense attorneys often get shit for defending "the bad guys", while prosecutors get away with putting away innocent people. The system is so broken.
The Ace Attorney series - while originally criticizing the japanese legal system, which works a little differently, though... not that much, it seems, to be honest - brings up the silliness of this systemic problem, a lot. In the recent Spirit of Justice, it even depicts a country where defence attorneys are literally considered evil scum who defend criminals, and if the defendant is found guilty, the attorney suffers the same penalty (often execution). Bet the prosecutors mentioned in this video would just love to see a rule like that added to the already-broken system...
Excellent point. It also irritates the fuck outta me when people bad mouth defense attorneys. These people believe in 'innocent until proven guilty, yet they don't even see the hypocritical irony in not fully understanding what a defense attorney does.
+BaldingClamydia - Just so. Which suited the dictatorial theocratic ruler of the country just fine; she could finger any enemy she liked and have her usually-unopposed prosecutors "prove" the person's guilt so they can then be killed or thrown in prison on her whim. A frightening possibility for any country where people place too much trust in broken systems!
Heracross X, the main questions are, why would anyone do that, and where will you find those people, and what will you do when they die or become mentally ill or become corrupt.
Heracross X, the usual reaction to this is to get a strongman daddy who promises he will fix everything and make everything better, and end up in authoritarian state.
Those "tough on crime"-folks should remember: Every wrong conviction means one more criminal free to continue their crimes. Getting it right is more important than getting the win.
@@piotrd.4850 They didn't miss anything. "Tough on crime" is just code for "Overpolicing poor predominantly nonwhite neighborhoods" and "meet arrest/ticketing quotas to secure funding for your police departments."
@@thecalmbeforethemaelstrom Its also political. People fear crime, especially violent crime. Politicians use that fear to get elected by claiming they're tough on crime. Once in office, having a high conviction rate lets them claim that they're accomplishing that goal. Wrongful convictions get comparatively little air time. And, as you pointed out, the people predominantly victimized by false convictions are those with the least power, those in poor and mostly non white neighborhoods. When you consider that for profit prisons are a thing, there's also perverse incentives for keeping jails full.
@@piotrd.4850 They missed none of it. The part you missed that was thoroughly demonstrated in this video was that "tough on crime" for prosecutors tends to translate to winning cases at all cost even if it means hiding evidence that'll cast doubt on the case. And it's all about mindset. If you're going into a job like a DA to be "tough on crime" rather than with an objective lens? Then well.. you're not going to be objective. And the consequence of not being objective is often being wrong.
More than that have you thought about that wrongfully imprisoning for long periods of time or even killing innocent people is terrible and essentially the same as certain things that are considered crimes like y’know KIDNAPPING and MURDER but we don’t consider it that when the system is the culprit?.. Maybe an innocent person being wrongly held against their will or killed actually is criminal enough on its own it’s just that they aren’t the criminal
RIP to the RUclips channel: consumer, who for 4 years has been the steady rock that gave us the side bits from Last Week Tonight. AT&T shut him down today, and the internet is a worse place without him.
Thank you for posting this. I once spoke to a DA in Santa Clara, California in the late eighties. I asked her directly, "If you factually knew that someone was innocent would you still prosecute them?" She said that she would if she could get a conviction. She explained that her job was to get convictions and guilt or innocence didn't come into it. She would choose to not prosecute a guilty person if she wasn't sure that she would get a convictions, and conversely, if someone was factually innocent and she _knew_ that, she _would_ prosecute if she was pretty sure she could get a conviction. Santa Clara was and is a place where people are charged tougher and do longer harsher sentences that most other places. She was definitely an example of that mindset.
She needs someone to explain to her that no, her job isn´t to prosecute those she thinks she can get convicted, but those for whom there is a reasonable suspicion that they have actually committed a crime. She SHOULD take guilt and innocence into account. The number of convictions don´t matter. The important thing is not for her to look tough and/or successful. The important thing is to lock up guilty people and let innocent people be free. You know, kind of how it is in a civilized society?
Oliver is HALF-BAKING IT IN THESE VIDEOS. PROSECUTORS are ALL criminals, as are ALL judges, literally. The entire system is illegally rigged in EVERY way (including fake "defense" attorneys), in violation of Due Process etc. (HELL, the Supreme Court constantly says HALF the court is LAWLESS CRIMINALS... while the OTHER half says the same thing. They are unanimous that half the court doesn't know THE LAW and are moron liar crooks.) (Chief Judge Roberts recently said the SUPREME COURT was a LAWLESS body [which it is, on ten different levels, like massive conflicts of interest], as they allowed the illegal MUSLIM BAN to continue. Roberts said the court made a CLEARLY illegal decision back in 1944 when they backed up our nazism against japanese, via internment camps. Roberts OVERTURNED the Supreme Court decision from then (!!!) and he said they CLEARLY broke the law. GAME OVER. No one can dispute the court is NOT LAWFUL. it's a political FRAUD on the public, and totally unlawful.)
Well, a prosecutor's job is to get a conviction. They should try to do that since that's their job, while the defense lawyer does their job and does their best to defend their client. Then the judge and jury should do their job to determine guilt based on the evidence presented by both sides. If a prosecutor believes that the defendant _was_ actually not guilty, nothing is stopping them from working with law enforcement and other lawyers (if necessary) to overturn the conviction afterwards.
+Essess Nine, in fact, the prosecutor's job is to defend the society. When they decide to charge a guilty person and do not get a conviction, at least they did their job. If they charge an innocent person, they are not defending society, since the real guilty is free, part of society, that has nothing to do with the case, is being prosecuted, and the whole expensive system is being used with no reason.
Essess Nine totally wrong, thry are NOT supposed to push wrongful prosecutions, and to claim they could help overturn it afterwards makes no sense at all, you don't cause a horrible immoral verdict on purpose so thst you can possibly overturn it later
Who thought a system that rewards Prosecutors for their conviction ratio was a good idea? The moment you push for a conviction quota, it stops being about justice.
At a conceptual level, it makes some sense. After all, the prosecutors' responsibility is simply to prosecute those that they feel are guilty. It's like giving a teacher a bonus for every A their students get. Without integrity, however, it turns into a bounty system.
roguishpaladin Yeah, it's exactly that, except at the end of the year the kids take a standardized test so if the math teacher acted like a gym teacher and gave the kids As just for showing up, it would show on the final and the teacher would be fired. With prosecutors this is not the case.
Because it means they're only taking cases to trial that they think they will win. A lost case for a prosecutor is a bunch of lost time and money for the taxpayers without accomplishing anything.
Prosecutors only bring cases to court if they think, based on the evidence, that the accused is guilty. It actually makes complete sense for them to have a conviction quota. JO tends to skip over valid counter-arguments which is what makes his show so weak.
The only show today which is not talking 24/7 about President Orange but instead unravels the every day shit that could happen to any of us for no reason. Thank you John for taking care of us!
The American system is not broken, it has been working perfectly for the ruling donor class, all these prosecutors wrongfully putting innocent people into prison is just what their donors from private prison industry want, because how else can you find such cheap labor in America that work for few cents an hour? It's all about money like everything else in America.
"The American System is not broken".. we got the first one everyone! The first living in denial. Please, PLEASE never have a Job with considerble influence on People, as I'm completely certain you'll missuse it. I really don't care what you said afterwards, the first sentence gave you kinda away. And even if its "all about money", HOW THE FUCK can you claim that it is not broken speaking of an innocent life at stake?!
If you lead to someone being wrongfully sentenced to 25 years prison, in Germany it is seen as a deprivation of liberty as if you locked him up yourself and you are charged for that.
If only the penalty for them was to serve the time that they wrongfully made an innocent man do. That or, put him in a room restrained, with the wrongfully innocent man and a suite of surgical tools, and close your eyes.
@@HOTD108_ Do you want people to dig up the worst of what people did 100 years ago where you live and tell you to be ashamed for it? Because if you live in the US, the last 100 years don't look so good.
What's sad is that I had absolutely none of this was going on. I like how John Oliver focuses on many of the less talked about topics opposed to the more trendy ones.
I really like how he does that too. I also like how, even when he does cover a more trendy topic, he tends to approach the topic in a different way from others - focusing on an aspect of the topic that is less talked about and discussed.
To be honest, this seems to be a problem overwhelmingly relevant to (especially) poor blacks and latinos, as well as poor whites. It's merely another way to penalize people of color while also perpetuating the for-profit prison system. The next time a DA is running for office, see if there's any information about who or what organization(s) are funding their campaign. This is the work of being in a democracy, folks.
Derium's Pokemon ... to go to trial you MUST have a lawyer. How much money do you have? Give it all to me!... Had business partner and brother-in-law who paid tens of thousands for non violent charges.
Michael J. Oghia You can't blame democracy for what you said though. Lots of other democracies don't have any of the things you mentioned in your post.
Makkushimu fair point, though I was referencing the fact that voters need to be informed. Enabling more inclusive, informed, fair, and progressive policymaking is a completely different story, though it also requires an informed and engaged citizenry.
In my 2nd semester of college, two friends and I were wrongfully accused of stealing Magic: The Gathering cards from the local Wal-Mart. The other two took plea deals after receiving an offer of 20 hours of community service. I refused to take the same deal, despite the lawyer I paid for letting me know the prosecution had a video from the security camera as evidence against me (which is obviously not possible). So the day of the hearing comes and my lawyer tells me the court's VCR wasn't working (this was the end of 2012 at this point...), and so the prosecution had delayed the trial. The day of the reschedule hearing rolls around and there's a long wait. Sure enough, my lawyer tells me that the prosecution's tape isn't working, but we will proceed regardless. My lawyer tells me "everything is taken care of". So in the courtroom, the JUDGE tells me that the prosecution and defense have reached a deal (which I had not been informed of), where the case is dropped and I'm banned from all Wal-Marts and Sam's Clubs (and can't counter-sue since it's a deal). Since this was the first time I had heard about this deal, and indeed the first time I had ever been in trouble for anything, I'm stunned; I hesitated and said "I'm sorry, what?", to which the judge sternly and loudly repeats themself. At this point I kinda jump and say "Yes" to the deal. My cowardly lawyer had made a deal with a prosecution that had ZERO evidence against me. So in addition to the prosecutor being a sleazebag, my own lawyer played along in their game, telling me after the deal was to "appease Wal-Mart" (exact words), despite me telling him from day 1 I had no intention of taking any deal. On the topic of defense lawyers, for any innocent person looking for a defense lawyer, never hire Nic B. Kuvshinoff in Maryland. He's a spineless coward (and it's not defamation if it's true; come and get me, coward). One of the few regrets I hold is not responding to the judge with "I'd like to request a brief recess while I fire my lawyer, as he is no longer working with my interests in mind."
Once I said "Yes", I technically agreed to it. Had I afterwards tried to go after my lawyer, he would have been in the clear since I agreed to the deal he arranged on my behalf (despite me not being privy to the deal prior to hearing it in court). I would have needed a far better lawyer than Nic B. Kuvshinoff to argue that one (not saying much since he's a spineless coward, but you get my point). If I had not agreed to that deal, then I would have a case against him. Like many lawyers, he lives in that shady "unethical but not illegal" gray area.
BTW, if someone is offering their services as a business such as a private attorney, you can talk shit about said private attorney all you want. It's like any other business. You're free to talk bad about Wal-Mart, restaurants, etc.
I live in a conservative house hold and last week tonight is a large part of me formimg my own thoughts and opinions about politics and the general world.
so do you like the fallout games? because if you do I have an interesting video by hbomberguy to show you. and who knows once you're done maybe you might watch some of his other content...
He really exposes the truth behind a lot of things that are made to seem so black and white but are really complicated and nuanced with the proof to drive his points home.
It's good to take in other people's perceptions and view points. I was in the same boat as you while growing up, except I did not have social media. Once in the "real world" I suddenly realised how little I knew outside the bubble I was raised in but I was open to learning. Those years were some of my fondest as I learnt to love and accept others unconditionally and to not be judgemental. In learning to love and appreciate people's unique attributes and differences, I learnt to love my own. We learn more if we are an open book.
The punishment for withholding evidence should be equal to the consequence for the person sent to jail. 25 years off an innocent person's life in jail = 25 years in jail for withholding evidence that could have cleared that person
At the very least it should be disbarment. Not 5 days in contempt of court. Of course something on top of disbarment is best, but disbarment should be automatic. That 1 guy being the only guy who was punished even as much as staying in contempt for 5 days is just disgusting.
Exactly! If the prosecutor literally knows the accused is innocent, and has evidence of it, and still prosecutes them or pressures them into a guilty plea, that prosecutor should suffer every penalty the defendant does, along with disbarment and seizure of the majority of their assets for good measure. Hit 'em in their cushy job, *and* in the money... see how many of the bastards keep doing it then.
“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.” -John Adams
I've been looking for these exact words for a month. It was at the crux of an argument I had made, but I didn't find the very core of it. I'm glad I found this comment. Thank you.
John Oliver is a brilliant man and his staff are also brilliant. They manage to both enlighten and entertain, while leaving the viewer (or some anyway) with either a sense of existential dread or a burning desire to take action to right a dreadful wrong. Bravo to them all!
Um........so where's *consumer?* The channel that would post clips from LWT that aren't on the official RUclips channel? Did he get blocked or banned? I can't even find _any_ old clips...let alone the channel itself. I'm sure there's other LWT fans who know the channel I'm referring to. Anyone know what's up?
He is owned by HBO man, he brings up some issue's but he is still a corporate stueg. He won't bring up trump arming neo Nazi's in Ukraine, or Trump continuesly occupying Syrian territory, or the fact Israel has way more sway than Putin. "But sure Trump's Putin's puppet, and Russia was totally wrong for showing apperantly illegal investigative reporting." Sarcasm. However I do believe Trump and Russia have shady business deal's together, both a bunch of mobsters and Russian officials went to one of Trump's hotel's over in Guatemala I think it was back in the 1990's. That's not even mentioning his connections to the mafia from his father's real estate business back in the 70's, that he met because Trump's father kept him from Vietnam. Then in the 1980s Trump went to his father to ask for an investment of 10s of million dollar's which went to known associates of mob bosses, it's believed he helped disrupt workers Union's.
The prosecutor Behind the Cosby Case Campaigned to the majority female vote on getting Cosby and no Innocent till proven guilty that's how the Cosby Case aways was from the start. And Plea Deals so those wrongfully convicted especially in sexual assault cases ADMITTED! TO! IT! But Reading the deposition it. What was asked was it in your mind and want to sex with you gave these quaaludes to. Now question is what did quaaludes actually do
@MR. Bucket I'd disagree strongly to that ^^ Two men accused of murder, Peter is innocent but convicted guilty, Brian is guilty but free of charges. Both situations are injustices potentially leading to more harm. Peter's family's lives are shattered, some may act violently on emotional response to what they know to be unjust, amongst other potential consequences (Oh he ran a business ? job loss for everyone, ...etc.) Also, Brian is free to act badly again, just with a little more experience about how not to get caught/prosecuted, experience which he might share, etc. And arithmetics are irrlevant here. "10 guilty men" has no meaning since the amounts of harm and degrees of guilt can and do vary wildly between any of them. Blackstone sounds more like an emo teen poet than like a rational judge here if I may...
@ toshir0m1 Wow! The core of your first argument relies on not understanding math and the second part is you affirming that the obvious counterargument is irrelevant and applying an ad-hominem. You seem to have been very wrong on the internet before.
I don't think you can quantize it. Put another way, would you willingly spend the rest of your life in prison if it meant there was also a murderer in prison who would otherwise have gone uncaught? I don't think you can assume every violent crime was committed by a serial killer...... that's just silly.
I got screwed by this system in college. I took a $1,000 fine, not realizing that the false conviction would screw me in later life. I got a great job out of college (Cornell is awesome for getting a job, FYI), and I received another amazing job post MBA. What I did not realize was that background checks would become universal. I had over a dozen job offers rescinded after getting laid off in the financial crisis (laid off mid-2009, started real full time job in spring 2011). Since then I have have well over a dozen job offers rescinded, plus jobs that seemed like slam dunks that magically no where after I filled out full paperwork including the authorization of background checks. One of my worst was from Wipro (an Indian outsourcing firm trying to get into management/financial consulting (my world)). My first IT contact and core contact, plus my hiring manager signed off on my hire, but corporate HR killed my hire two days before my start date, after I had confirmed everything was okay, moved, and paid for half of this with credit cards! Other firms I would like to shame: CNA Insurance, Magnetar, Wells Fargo, the Chicago Fed (not the New York Fed who gave me an offer, but the Chicago Fed whose response to my reference to the New York Fed, was to have a stereotypically ditzy HR individual tell me that the problem was not that they could not hire me, as their functional employees requested, but they chose to block the hire of a potentially violent candidate. I cannot explain how not violent I am, but those I tell this story to usually laugh uncontrollably (I am a stereotypical gentle giant, who has only lost it when racist savages threatened my non-white ex-wife, or when racists threaten women or children). Our legal system is out of control, with child-rapers getting minimal sentences while poor black men selling weed getting huge sentences for not reason. Cities should stop bothering with drugs and let the DEA sort that out. They should focus on sex crimes, violent crimes, and theft targeting homeowners in order to both make our cities better amd imprison the bad guys while leaving poor kids with no other options alone. No one is forcing morons to use drugs. Let’s focus on the real bad guys (rapists, child molesters, murderers, thieves,...), while avoiding poor kids with few options.
A couple years ago I was wrongly accused of a crime ( charges were eventually dropped) I remember a lot of these things happening, the prosecution holding evidence, as well as the prosecutor getting into literal verbal fights with the judge, but one of the biggest things I remember from it is that my lawyer once told me that he used to be a prosecutor and he had to quit that job because he felt like he was being told to put people he knew to be innocent in prison almost everyday
@@edinfific2576 oh no, you should have seen it this guy was agressive. i was lucky to get a judge that understood the "politics" of the courtroom and was able to hold the Prosecutor accountable for his crap. the Prosecutor didnt like it, and they got into some pretty intense arguments
@@alexcook2206 That's very rare that a prosecutor is held accountable at any level for anything. You were very lucky to have had a judge and an attorney like that. The prosecutor sounds like nearly all of them, conviction is the most, or the only, important thing, everything else is secondary, including the law (except where it can be used against the defendant to the fullest extent imaginable), the rules and regulations.
Accountability isn't a thing in America, if you are rich, famous or powerful. If there was accountability, a lot of the issues with corruption would correct themselves to some degree.
0:32 - For those who don't know, the Central Park 5 were a group of juveniles who were wrongfully sentenced for a rape and assault case back in 1989, despite DNA evidence proving them innocent, they were still sentenced are nearly 12 years until the real culprit confessed because he was already given a life sentence for a different crime. The 5 were eventually freed and are sued NY for the injustice they got. I don't remember if they won anything.
It's a double injustice too. While this innocent person is in prison due to a plea deal the actual perp is still out there likely committing more crime.
Seeing that some countries would fund way more on military rather than healthcare and hospitals, I won't be surprised if this really concludes that we, the human species, really just enjoy the destruction of human lives instead of saving them.
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I am stunned that these law people are genuinely using arguments that would sound abhorrent out of he mouth of an actual murderer defending their case. Can you imagine if somebody argued "Well, I think I'm a law-abiding citizen because after 30 years, I released the person I kidnapped, which is better than if I'd killed them or if they'd died from the inhumane treatment I inflicted on them"? Or if they went behind their accuser and whispered "stab, stab stab" in their ear? Or if they said "I'm reasonably confident that I was right that this guy was going to attack me so it's okay for me to kill him"? Well, that last one is actually a thing in Florida but, you know, can you imagine that anywhere else?
SsnakeBite ... wow. well Made point. Brilliant. add a joke at the beginning, and a joke at the end of about something else obscene or ridiculous about Florida, and this could have been written for this show.
I mean the im reasonably sure he wants to Attack me so i defended myself Bit is valid. That's one of the Main basis of self defense trials Not just in america but also in Germany
I don't understand how a prosecutor who knowingly witholds evidence for the purpose of convicting someome to death isn't responsible for Attempted Murder. And taking 30 years out of someone's life is unspeakably cruel. Depriving them of their family, their purpose, their loves and their freedom... cruelty beyond corporeal punishment. We treat people who kidnap and lock people away as monsters worthy of horror and legend but allow someone who uses our system of justice to do just that, crush these lives to fuel their perverted egos and financial gain--and then they get to simply walk our streets with a light slap on the wrist if anything... that's horror beyond words. That's evil worse than the actual criminals they face in trial.
I guess it's to insure that prosecutors won't back off a case only because they have to fear being wrong and honestly, I absolutely agree to that part, although the truly powerful culprits will have other ways of threatening their prosecutor most likely. The way the system should work is by having a prosecutor ready to find every misconduct, but also a defender able to do their best defending. I think the worst part about your system is that one side has full control over the evidences brought to court as Oliver said. That's a point where prosecutors should face severe sentences for withholding evidence. Otherwise it could help not having them prepare the evidence as they like to begin with.
PViP simple solution - prosecution and defense get access to evidence at exactly the same time - otherwise the scales of justice are atomatically tilted to one side or the other... give both sides a level playing field or true justice is impossible to achieve
PViP well he didnt say punish them for beeing wrong. he said knowingly withholding evidence in order to convict someone should be a serious crime like attempted murder.
After learning the truth about the Central Park Five, I was so mad. Those teens lost everything because the system ignored the actual perpetrator. I watched the documentary for school.
What I find more outrageous is the lack of accountability. Our system isn't perfect and wrongful convictions will happen, even when everyone is acting in good faith. However, when people are not only failing to act in good faith, but are being rewarded for their misconduct, that's just wrong. I'm not sure its possible to remove the rewards from the system because fear of crime will keep on fueling demand for "tough on crime" policies. However, a robust system of accountability could increase both penalties for misconduct and oversight (increasing the odds of getting caught), to make those rewards less appealing.
When you google it, a reddit post about it is the first result right now. Some company in India filed copyright claims against a bunch of videos on the channel at once and the channel was suspended. The owner of the channel doesn't want to deal with the hassle of fighting back, despite the fact that HBO had been aware of the channel for years and they had agreed not to file claims as long the videos were kept under 5 minutes and not monetized. It sounds like consumer wanted a break from uploading clips every week anyway, so sadly this is probably how it ends.
I've overheard prosecutors chatting amongst eachother in court when they didn't know others were listening. Zero empathy. They laugh about wrecking people's lives.
They think they're wrecking the lives of the "bad guys" - it's all they perceive the person as. It's the simplistic nature of society - people are slotted as "good guys" or "bad guys".
True enough. "Innocent until proven guilty," is the ideal, but when their in the mode of seeing everyone and a scoff-law ne'er-do-well, for enough time, all they see is, "bad guys." My brother's a public defender. I don't know how he does it.
I am in no way trying to defend them but please take into account that they are making decisions that affect the lives of people every single day. It's a job with a tremendous amount of responsibility. One way to counter the inherent stress that comes with the position is humour, even if in bad taste. Think of surgeons as another example: they usually have the sickest dark humour there is and that is just a way for them to balance out the weight they carry on their shoulders. It's a self-defense mechanism. I am sure we all have made decisions in our lives that had serious ramifications and even many years later we still ponder whether or not we have made the right call at the time. Now imagine if you had to make such decisions on a daily basis. If you were to contemplate them all the time you would end up a nervous wreck in a few years.
I know. I don't blame them. I was a Navy medic for a few years. One of the things they taught us, drilled into us, was, to never apply a half-tourniquet. Navy corpsmen are compassionate, by nature. Save someone pain. What they did to me, they didn't know. I don't blame them for their lack of training, I don't blame anyone. They attached and ankle bracelet to me, it broke down about once a month, and they refit it to the indentation it had made, not the actual size. It cinched things off right where most major nerves and tendons come and go to a complex part of the body. I hadn't driven in months, because of chronic pain, the night I was pulled over, it was in the heart of winter, when the pain was at its fullest, and I was only going three blocks. "He's a threat to society." Was what the prosecutors said. I didn't have any prior record. I was treating my pain in the only way I'd found to work. Not a long-term solution, but kept me from falling into another depression episode. (not a mood, by the way. It's a physical state where you're physically incapable of having any will to live.) I didn't expect any special treatment, I didn't mention I was a war vet, because that shouldn't matter. I've been trying to fix it, been to the doctor, was referred to a specialist. I didn't say all of this, because I was trusting them when they said, "We're good at law enforcement." The defense kept trying to assure me, "This isn't your fault." They put me in the same classification as people who'd dealt drugs, robbed houses and cars, when I was licking my wounds after having taken in a homeless woman. My grandfather was a law professor at Stanford, I was a farmer, eagle scout, missionary, war vet, and professional artist and musician by the time I was 25. And they put me on an Excel sheet. My probation officer's been nice, judge Lambo's been nice. Mandatory minimums, another of John Oliver's peeve broadcasts, can shed some more light on it. The judge just all but threw his hands in the air, "This is the best I can do for you." I've been working with them, as best I can. I understand. I swore an oath to protect this country, I took that to mean even from myself, should I become broken. Gallows humor is fine. I know it, I miss the banter with my colleagues. Trained with Navy S.E.A.L's, was a member of Company 001, first Gulf War. I'm trying to deal with it as it comes, and hope they understand. I've seen what they've had to deal with. It's no disrespect. Not many have been through what I have, but some have.
Thank you so much for doing this important story. I worked in Cook County IL criminal courts for 15 years, and every word you said was true. If you ever wanted to follow up on this story, Cook County prosecutors (State's Attorneys) also decide if police can charge felonies at all, in a process called felony review, which lets the prosecutors' office throw out cases that they feel they cannot win, after a 15 min review, usually by an attorney who has never prosecuted on the felony level. It has led to a seriously low level of prosecution of domestic violence and sexual assault felonies (the area I worked in). Police wind up downgrading charges to misdemeanors just to avoid the hassle.
Delovely 1 This is why almost all the problems he points out persist. Most people don't know about this because they've never been criminally charged before. The better question is why would they know along with the 50 other obscure things John Oliver has shed light on?
Can we petition to get the show to change its name to “An Enormous Problem You Didn’t Even Know Existed”? Because that fits what this show is about better
As someone in a DUI case where my results prove I was not over the limit, twice, and have been waiting for almost two years to go to trial because of “misplaced” evidence, this is accurate. CA by the way.
Pffffffft. Come talk to me when you've spent 7 court dates, $2,500+, and a (current) total of *four and half years* awaiting the resolution of a $120 ticket. These fuggers are trying to SLAPP me into submission! The court has EASILY spent more than me on it. There's no possible way they will ever come out ahead, yet they keep going, and keep delaying. I guess that's what happens when your business has absolutely no solvency requirements... P.S.: first line was just a figure of speech...not trying to detract from your situation. 👍
The US system regularly confuses me. Why is it the prosecutor's job to convit people like that, to use tactics to make sure the other side has as little defence as possible. I am a law-student in Germany, and the rules here is that the defendend has basically one and a half defenders, his own, and the prosecutor. The job of the prosecutor is to present the case from all sides, everything that stands against, but also in favour of the accused. He it the neutral one that, after seeing all evidence first hand, dicides that the person is guilty enough to go to court, but to show his position, he has to show his complete reasoning, not only the side of it that is about making the person look guilty. The fact that in the US, the prosecutor has not to present the facts as well that are in favour of the defendend is rather baffeling and seems like a open door for abuse of power.
Mysterios1989 as much as I agree with you that they shouldn't be threaten of their choice to allow the system to take place instead of simple never have a jury to begin with, there seems to be like so much talk of over crowding of people in prison here in the US to the point that it feels like every 2 seconds 10 new people are in jail cause we like arresting people (sarcastic tone).
Mysterios1989 It's largely the product of the adversarial system in a common law system like the U.S. and the U.K., as opposed to the inquisitorial system in a civil law system like Germany. The lawyers on each side are supposed to be zealous advocates for their own sides with the judge as a neutral arbiter and, in a jury trial, the jury as the determiners of facts. Under such a system, it is easy to see how being a zealous advocate can amount to trying to lock up as many defendants as possible. That said, professional rules of conduct for prosecutors in the U.S. usually state that the prosecutor's first obligation is to justice. But "justice" can be highly subjective, and, as the story here shows, prosecutors are elected officials who can lose their jobs for being "soft on crime."
Mysterios1989 well in my opinion its a racial thing cause if you didn't notice its a bunch of black men being exonerated for crimes they didn't commit!! and especially since we have a for profit prison system now that pays judges and politicians to lock up as many people as they can its easiest to lock us up on trumped up charges
Daniel' It is not hard for me! We have many problems that need fixing in this country, yet the Baby in the WH was constant attention. I hope the media finally wakes up and stops covering him constantly, especially repeating the same points!
Oisin Lynch Absolutely. My co-workers keep some macabre souvenirs of murder trials, like dental impressions of a murderers teeth with a rose clenched between them, but not a celebration of executions! Yeesh.
Sociopaths take pride in twisting the rules to do very evil things and get away with it. Could you imagine how much joy a sociopath would get out of being a prosecutor?
I graduated from law school at Miami top 15% of my class, moot court board, trial advocacy award, and an intense interest in the criminal law. I interviewed with the U.S. Attorney in Miami and during the first interview I was asked if I would always turn over exculpatory evidence to the defense. I said "yes." Never heard from them again.
Chances are you just bombed the interview. Also you probably went to a lower tier school in Miami and you werent on Law Review nor going to be Clerking. All those are strikes agaisnt you.
@@Bruss813 I'd bet against that. DAs don't want prosecutors that might hurt their electability - and losing cases because you didn't cheat does just that.
Mental gymnastics. Catch-phrases like "have to break a few eggs" or "can't win them all" (ironically) and so on. I imagine with the subject matter many learn to turn off parts of their own humanity and ignore certain parts of the moral compass, lest it get to murky and undermine the ability to do their job. That's for the best ones. The others don't even have such things to deal with and simply want power, position, and the feeling of being in control of other people's lives, for whatever reason such things developed within them. These latter types only have a problem sleeping when they DON'T maintain control of this sort.
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin did I miss something? Are there a bunch of Jewish lawyers running things in Louisiana? More like good ol'-fashioned god-fearin' cousin-fuckin' good-ol'-boys #knowyourtribe #kkkisretarded
We've gotten to a point in society where someone with a homer simpson avatar on a glorified cat video delivery service understands justice better than those who designed the system.
Satellite Breakfast to be honest, when I first started reading your comment I thought, "oh no here comes the insult"… But thank you. It is a sad state of affairs.
What prosecutors are supposed to be like: “It doesn’t matter how many underhanded tricks a person uses… The truth will always find a way to make itself known. The only thing we can do is to fight with the knowledge we hold and everything we have. Erasing the paradoxes one by one… It’s never easy… We claw and scratch for every inch. But we will always eventually reach that one single truth. This I promise you.” What prosecutors are actually like: “The guilty will always lie, to avoid being found out. There's no way to tell who is guilty and who is innocent! All that I can hope to do is get every defendant declared ‘guilty’! So I make that my policy.”
My dad was a prosecutor (he was recently forced to resign due to shouting at a officer to shut up during court) and when I was younger he would tell me about how he'd dress in all black on court days to intimidate the defendant. He was manipulative, untrustworthy, and emotionally abusive, and I blame his job as a domestic violence district attorney for how he treated my mother and I. I stopped talking to him and put some time between my past and the guilt he'd make me feel with his texts, and until recently I notice my mental health start to improve for the first time in at least a decade. I no longer fantasize about suicide or have regularly occurring nightmares where I'm forced to see him again.
you got toughen up a bit man, i had a real shit childhood and horrible parents to but "uncomfortable sex jokes" "ignoring you when you spoke" it just sounds like youre amplifying your issues by misspercieving behavior. I could be wrong, but you gotta chill with the sad story if you make something bad that happened out to be worse than it really is , it doesnt make you stronger. infact it weakens you and starts a cycle of making every horrible thing in your life feel 20 times more horrible till you practically rewrite your own memories and start creating more nightmares that feel like reality
I find it so appalling that prosecutors can get away with hiding crucial evidence from Defense Attorney's or giving it to them at the last second before trial. And when the do hide evidence that would exonerate someone they face no penalties or charges for ruining someones life! That's so outrageous! Changes are definitely needed.
News reporters: Prosecutors will decide whether to press charges Literally anyone who has faced criminal charges: Prosecutors will decide if you're rich enough to stay out of jail
That's not true though.... in most places, judges set bond rates & judges determine whether or not you get out... prosecutors put you there in the first place.
Prosecutors usually select the cases they believe are a slam-dunk win for them to prosecute. I have a case currently sitting with my state’s DA office against a man I worked with, who groomed and abused me in unspeakable ways. The police investigation found probable cause that he committed 3 types of felony SA and IPV against me the last time I saw him. Each charge worth a minimum of 10 years in prison. The police chief explained to me that the DA only prosecutes select cases and not to get my hopes up. I was actually relieved in a way because going through a trial myself and having to testify against an evil man in court would have retraumatized the crap out of me. SA cases are notoriously hard to prosecute, and only about 40% of such cases sent to a DA end up being prosecuted. And, of all the rape cases reported to police, only 1% of them survive through an investigation, probable cause found, and sent to a DA. 1%! I actually consider myself lucky for getting that far, it was super validating and helped me heal. DAs are elected, so losing a trial looks bad to the voters, which means they really only want the highest profile, most obviously winnable cases to take to trial. The ability of a defendant to afford a competent defense counsel would factor into whether they felt confident a case could be won. But, if the evidence is truly there and damning, even the fanciest defense attorney couldn’t help, so I imagine the finances of the defendant are considered only in some cases, not all.
That dude saying the death penalty should be used more... that guy has the cold, dead eyes of a hardened sociopathic murderer. If he's so hot about it, maybe HE ought to spend 30 years in jail, if it's so preferable.
ElvenAngel OMG, I thought the same thing. I get chills and my heart drops when I hear someone who has control over the lives of others say that we should kill more people. That is not a moral thing to say no matter what your job is. Prosecutors have turned the justice system into a game. They don’t care who they hurt as long as they can count it as a win. Politics is the same way.
Agreed. Put him in prison for all the years innocent people have gone away, due to his cruelty. I'm not usually one for vengeance but people who put innocent people in prison deserve nothing but suffering.
Stagmeyer - better yet, hold a mock trial where the 'prosecutor' tells him something like, "look, my kid has a piano recital at 3:00, I just don't have the time to represent you for a whole trial, just take this plea bargain, you'll only stay here for 2 years instead of life."
ElvenAngel I don't think people consider this: with *any* test there is a false positive rate (the chance an innocent will be labeled as guilty), and an execution isn't something that can be taken back. How many innocent people have already been put to death?
Prosecutors from Louisiana got on my nerves. Lack of empathy/accountability. Not even a slight acceptance that his behavior actions fuel the corrupt system that needs to be fixed.
I am perfectly fine with being "tough on crime", but first, a crime must have actually happened. "Guilty by default" is not "tough on crime", as non-criminals so often end up in prison- leaving actual criminals free to victimize other people.
If only the penalty for them was to serve the time that they wrongfully made an innocent man do. That or, put him in a room restrained, with the wrongfully innocent man and a suite of surgical tools, and close your eyes.
Supporting the death penalty means one of two things; either you have complete faith in the justice system to always find the correct people guilty, or you are saying that the government murdering innocent people by mistake is not that much of a problem for you when compared to raw vengeance.
This is the exact reason why I oppose the death penalty. It boggles the mind to imagine, “small government” conservatives, who don’t really seem to trust the state, are okay with the state having the authority to end your life.
@@JustinMoralesTheComposer Exactly! So-called "small government" conservatives are usually the first people to push for the death penalty and I really just straight up do not understand the mental gymnastics that are required to make that make ANY sense at all.
@@josephcoolest1839 That makes logical sense to me lol. I'm not personally what one would usually consider "small government" but at least being small government and anti-death penalty tracks logically in my mind.
So my sister-in-law calls the cops on her husband because he's assaulting her. Cops show up. Douchebag (now ex) husband says she, the one who called the cops in the first place and is bruised, assaulted HIM. Only bruises on him are his knuckles, and he's missing a bit of hair on his beard where she grabbed and yanked some out while blindly trying to fight him off. Cops arrest SiL. Douchebag ex files assault charges. Prosecutor goes through with charges in spite of hospital check, and photos from hospital backing up she had the shit beat out of her. (She even had a bruise in the shape of a BOOT on the back of her leg that Douchebag says she gave herself.) Prosecutor offers up plea deal because he's hell bent on getting another successful conviction no matter whether the person deserves it or not. Shitty public defender is trying to convince her to plea out and get a reduced sentence, but permanent record of 'assaulting' the guy beating her. The 'justice' system in my area (DFW, Texas) is a fucking joke. If you are one of these types of prosecutors, cops, state appointed defense attorneys, or people who like to abuse their spouses, kindly do the world a favor and go kiss the front end of a speeding bus.
Fight corrupt systems with our own illegal immoral actions, have some friends take thst shitbag prosecutor out in the woods and go to town with fists, boots, and a curling iron
Annie Nunyabiz The "Justice" system in America isn't about justice! It never was! Only ones who can get lucky and get some kind of "Justice" is those rich enough to pay for it! It's basically a money making scheme, and a way to achieve political power!
Withholding evidance is illegal, also known as obstruction of justice. There is a reason the basic assumption of the justice system is "not guilty until proven guilty".
Unfortunately, such a system would violate the 'cruel and unusual punishments' clause. We don't need vengeance, we just need them to stop being incentivized to do it!
roguishpaladin: when jailing innocent people for decades or sending them to death row is not "cruel and unusual punishment" in your book you might need a different point of view i.e. from behind bars.
Ah man. The channel "Consumer" must have been deleted becuase I can't find the clips of John Oliver's show that take place before the main story on RUclips now.
I got to enjoy 9 months in LA County jails a few weeks after I got home from Afghanistan. I met an awful lot of innocent black dudes. And I'm not being sarcastic...seriously, LITERALLY innocent. One note on the Ken Anderson case - according to the guy who was convicted, *all he wanted* was Anderson kicked off the bench (he had since become a district court judge) and stripped of his law license. I'd want him to do time, myself...but I gotta side with the wronged party here, if that's seriously all he wanted to be made whole...that kinda matters.
Hats off to you John for calling out your audience. Another example of your passion and commitment to the topics you present (incl. “what can you do now” that aims to inspire action to change large wrongs)👍
This win atmosphere for Prosecutors, Trial Dawg award, is like the quotas for cops. The system is demanding criminal behavior by the numbers and enforcing the numbers by any means necessary.
Our DA ran over his wife, to avoid giving up her money in a divorce. He married into her wealth, she paid for his law school, etc. And since he is a republican, he party of "family values", he had many mistresses, and scandals. His wife was tired of it and going to divorce him. He felt the better option was to murder her and use his connections as the DA to cover it up or at least avoid prosecution. to no one's surprise, the DA declined to charge him. Oh, he won his next bid for DA, and then went on to be elected our State Attorney General. He ran unopposed in every case.
@@amogus7978 the funny thing is. the things Prosecutors like Edgeworth (at first) and Manfred Von Karma do are pretty much par for the course with America's legal system, like the video says, there's pretty much no penalty Prosecutors face for withholding crucial evidence. The only one in those games that would be shafted in America's Legal system is Phoenix himself, with HIS surprise evidence.
Throw Dale Cox in jail for 30 years, while waving his impending death over his head, release him and then ask him if he think the system works..... I just cant see how anyone can think like that, and he holds a pretty high position in society!
“Better a thousand innocent men are locked up than one guilty man roam free” - Dwight. We laughed at the absurdity of that sentence on tv but we let it happen in reality😞
I just don't get it, why do the prosecuters have all the evidence? Why doesn't the police work with the court directly and both the prosecuters and defense attorneys get the evidence from there? And why don't they show the jury ALL the evidence? If the jury only knows half the story, what's the point of having a jury anyway? I am fundamentally against the death penalty, but I can understand why some people are for it. But how someone can be in favour of the death penalty when the justice system is that flawed, is just beyond me. Thinking about all the poeple who die, because prosecuters find conviction rates more important than actual justice, and also the people put at risk, because by convicting someone innocent, the person who actually was guilty of the crime is still free, thinking about that just sickens me.
Srdjan Kos the idea was originally prison was suppose to be a reform and the death sentence for actions that can't be corrected like murder of course in practice e over years it is not like this.
And here I thought that the Ace Attorney series was being over the top when it presented prosecutors as being able to cheat, lie and withhold evidence with little to no consequences
I swear John Oliver can, and does, make any topic fascinating.
Morgan Arc especially in sense episode was about always believing Victims. But he uses another man wrongfully convicted of sexual assault Who Admitted to it in a plea deal. .the prosecutor Kevin Steal Campaigned entire to female dominated vote on getting Cosby. And looking at what quaaludes actually do and how they were used Lower stress increased labito. And reading the deposition what was asked.was it in your mind and want to sex with the women you gave these quaaludes to. Did he really admitte to knocking anyone out to have sex with them in their sleep?😪
Must be his model-good looks.
Smartass012 bill Cosby 🙄 #rapey
I think the bastardization of our democracy is worthy of fascination.
Like the best civics teacher ever
Stories like these make me sick. That guy who just dismissed a guy who lost 30 years of his life while under the fear that he would be executed is a real piece of shit.
He really is. I would love to see someone smack the fuck outta that piece of shit, putting him in a 15 year coma that he wakes up from only to have a day left to live.
"30 years in prison = delayed justice". The fk is up with that shit.
A. D. It technically is delayed justice but it shouldn't have been had his case been reviewed properly the first time.
Fluffymiyster If the guy is given back his 30 years, then that is delayed justice. This is still injustice.
Fluffymiyster dealayed Justice is a political correctness word for these DA's to say that they Fucked up but it's not their fault,. Technical terms are not GOD made, they are people made and evil people like this.
Making a term doesn't make it a law .... Be aware or remain dumb
I am an African American man who has a child from a girl I dated in college. I moved to the Tampa area from Atlanta to be with my son and help raise him. One day after visitation with him, me and my now wife were dropping him off to his mother when the mother told me to move out of the doorway so that she could go tell my now wife that she is pregnant with my second child (a lie). I stood in the doorway and told her to not do this. Long story short, later that night (3 hours later) she called the police and said I assaulted her by standing in front of the open door. I have never assaulted anyone ever and I am now a licensed psychotherapist and help people with their emotional and behavioral problems. I had to go to court and Glenn Beck's wife was the prosecutor. She threatened me with a year in prison if I went to trial. I had a public defender. A very smart and assertive African American woman. The jury of "my peers" was 6 white men and women. I was found unanimously not guilty. A guilty verdict would had precluded me from ever being a therapist again and had me spend a year in prison. I have NEVER been convicted of anything other than driving violations and am SO thankful I took it to trial and that my public defender was well prepared.
Could've ended really badly... I'm glad it didn't
One Love Counseling I think the only reason you were not found guilty is because of your education credentials.
In these situations men are usually assumed guilty by default in most domestic abuse cases; Also African American Men have very high conviction verdicts in the legal system. Long story short, you’re a unicorn 🦄.
I lived in that area, you got REALLY lucky.
This was a great story! Thank you for sharing. I am glad everything worked out for you.
Holy shit, glad everything worked out for you.
Watching this after RBG has died, it still feels unreal. "Please don't die." The fact that our system depends on one person is terrible.
For real
For Fucking Real.
I was about to say, the “please don’t die” bit is something that has aged like soup. Kinda the same after 2 years but it’s concerning that it’s stayed the same over such a long time
I was just about to say that that joke is no longer funny cause its too real
Honestly, she didn’t want to step down under Obama. Everyone knew she was going to die but she didn’t want to make space.
A prosecutor once told me. "My job is to get a conviction by any means necessary and let the truth fall where it may"
That is the problem with this system
True. Except the defense attorney doesn't hold the power a prosecutor does! You have never heard the news say "What happens next is up to the defense attorney"
Keylan Bankston TM So the thing is is that Prosecutors and defense attorneys are not under any circumstances supposed to make decisions on the guilt/innocence of defendants. That is the Jury and or Judges job. Attorneys are 100% biased because they have to be.
Again true. But a study done by the Ohio State Bar Association & Cornell University showed that statistically speaking judges accept prosecutors reccomendations 92% of the time. That number is staggering. Judges base their opinion almost soley off of what the prosecutors say. Sure the defendants have a jury to help level this out when on trial but the jury is also heavily influenced by the prosecution! Prosecutors are notorious for bending facts, cutting deals & holding behind door meetings with judges in order to secure a conviction, before a trial, by using the pressure of high risk sentences in order to secure that conviction, whether guilt is present or not. This is corruption at its finest. The problem is that prosecutors should not be looking for a high conviction rate but a high truth finding rate. Their convictions are incentivized and this is the core of the whole rotten apple
Noah Wetjen they decide the 95% of cases that don't go to trial though...
Emma With The Gs..... Wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty in this country not the other way around. Read all of my comments to broaden you views on this
It pisses me off that defense attorneys often get shit for defending "the bad guys", while prosecutors get away with putting away innocent people. The system is so broken.
The Ace Attorney series - while originally criticizing the japanese legal system, which works a little differently, though... not that much, it seems, to be honest - brings up the silliness of this systemic problem, a lot. In the recent Spirit of Justice, it even depicts a country where defence attorneys are literally considered evil scum who defend criminals, and if the defendant is found guilty, the attorney suffers the same penalty (often execution). Bet the prosecutors mentioned in this video would just love to see a rule like that added to the already-broken system...
Excellent point. It also irritates the fuck outta me when people bad mouth defense attorneys. These people believe in 'innocent until proven guilty, yet they don't even see the hypocritical irony in not fully understanding what a defense attorney does.
That's dark considering how quickly you'd go through defenders, pretty soon you wouldn't have any knowledgeable ones left!
+BaldingClamydia - Just so. Which suited the dictatorial theocratic ruler of the country just fine; she could finger any enemy she liked and have her usually-unopposed prosecutors "prove" the person's guilt so they can then be killed or thrown in prison on her whim. A frightening possibility for any country where people place too much trust in broken systems!
Broken is more than that.
I know it’s a generally accepted fact in the US, but _goddamn,_ there’s an untold number of problems in our society that need fixing.
Heracross X Society in general. Trust me it's fuckitty-fucked here in the East.
Heracross X, the main questions are, why would anyone do that, and where will you find those people, and what will you do when they die or become mentally ill or become corrupt.
Heracross X, the usual reaction to this is to get a strongman daddy who promises he will fix everything and make everything better, and end up in authoritarian state.
We live in a society
Did ya fix your dog? or are you one of those people...
Those "tough on crime"-folks should remember: Every wrong conviction means one more criminal free to continue their crimes. Getting it right is more important than getting the win.
Which part of "tough on crime" you missed - especially, the "on CRIME" ?
@@piotrd.4850 They didn't miss anything. "Tough on crime" is just code for "Overpolicing poor predominantly nonwhite neighborhoods" and "meet arrest/ticketing quotas to secure funding for your police departments."
@@thecalmbeforethemaelstrom Its also political. People fear crime, especially violent crime. Politicians use that fear to get elected by claiming they're tough on crime. Once in office, having a high conviction rate lets them claim that they're accomplishing that goal. Wrongful convictions get comparatively little air time. And, as you pointed out, the people predominantly victimized by false convictions are those with the least power, those in poor and mostly non white neighborhoods. When you consider that for profit prisons are a thing, there's also perverse incentives for keeping jails full.
@@piotrd.4850 They missed none of it. The part you missed that was thoroughly demonstrated in this video was that "tough on crime" for prosecutors tends to translate to winning cases at all cost even if it means hiding evidence that'll cast doubt on the case. And it's all about mindset. If you're going into a job like a DA to be "tough on crime" rather than with an objective lens? Then well.. you're not going to be objective. And the consequence of not being objective is often being wrong.
More than that have you thought about that wrongfully imprisoning for long periods of time or even killing innocent people is terrible and essentially the same as certain things that are considered crimes like y’know KIDNAPPING and MURDER but we don’t consider it that when the system is the culprit?.. Maybe an innocent person being wrongly held against their will or killed actually is criminal enough on its own it’s just that they aren’t the criminal
RIP to the RUclips channel: consumer, who for 4 years has been the steady rock that gave us the side bits from Last Week Tonight. AT&T shut him down today, and the internet is a worse place without him.
CAPDude44 F. He will be missed.
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CAPDude44 R.I.P.
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Thank you for posting this. I once spoke to a DA in Santa Clara, California in the late eighties. I asked her directly, "If you factually knew that someone was innocent would you still prosecute them?" She said that she would if she could get a conviction. She explained that her job was to get convictions and guilt or innocence didn't come into it. She would choose to not prosecute a guilty person if she wasn't sure that she would get a convictions, and conversely, if someone was factually innocent and she _knew_ that, she _would_ prosecute if she was pretty sure she could get a conviction. Santa Clara was and is a place where people are charged tougher and do longer harsher sentences that most other places. She was definitely an example of that mindset.
She needs someone to explain to her that no, her job isn´t to prosecute those she thinks she can get convicted, but those for whom there is a reasonable suspicion that they have actually committed a crime. She SHOULD take guilt and innocence into account. The number of convictions don´t matter. The important thing is not for her to look tough and/or successful. The important thing is to lock up guilty people and let innocent people be free.
You know, kind of how it is in a civilized society?
Oliver is HALF-BAKING IT IN THESE VIDEOS.
PROSECUTORS are ALL criminals, as are ALL judges, literally. The entire system is illegally rigged in EVERY way (including fake "defense" attorneys), in violation of Due Process etc.
(HELL, the Supreme Court constantly says HALF the court is LAWLESS CRIMINALS... while the OTHER half says the same thing. They are unanimous that half the court doesn't know THE LAW and are moron liar crooks.)
(Chief Judge Roberts recently said the SUPREME COURT was a LAWLESS body [which it is, on ten different levels, like massive conflicts of interest], as they allowed the illegal MUSLIM BAN to continue. Roberts said the court made a CLEARLY illegal decision back in 1944 when they backed up our nazism against japanese, via internment camps. Roberts OVERTURNED the Supreme Court decision from then (!!!) and he said they CLEARLY broke the law. GAME OVER. No one can dispute the court is NOT LAWFUL. it's a political FRAUD on the public, and totally unlawful.)
Well, a prosecutor's job is to get a conviction. They should try to do that since that's their job, while the defense lawyer does their job and does their best to defend their client. Then the judge and jury should do their job to determine guilt based on the evidence presented by both sides.
If a prosecutor believes that the defendant _was_ actually not guilty, nothing is stopping them from working with law enforcement and other lawyers (if necessary) to overturn the conviction afterwards.
+Essess Nine, in fact, the prosecutor's job is to defend the society. When they decide to charge a guilty person and do not get a conviction, at least they did their job.
If they charge an innocent person, they are not defending society, since the real guilty is free, part of society, that has nothing to do with the case, is being prosecuted, and the whole expensive system is being used with no reason.
Essess Nine totally wrong, thry are NOT supposed to push wrongful prosecutions, and to claim they could help overturn it afterwards makes no sense at all, you don't cause a horrible immoral verdict on purpose so thst you can possibly overturn it later
Who thought a system that rewards Prosecutors for their conviction ratio was a good idea? The moment you push for a conviction quota, it stops being about justice.
At a conceptual level, it makes some sense. After all, the prosecutors' responsibility is simply to prosecute those that they feel are guilty. It's like giving a teacher a bonus for every A their students get. Without integrity, however, it turns into a bounty system.
roguishpaladin Yeah, it's exactly that, except at the end of the year the kids take a standardized test so if the math teacher acted like a gym teacher and gave the kids As just for showing up, it would show on the final and the teacher would be fired. With prosecutors this is not the case.
Because it means they're only taking cases to trial that they think they will win. A lost case for a prosecutor is a bunch of lost time and money for the taxpayers without accomplishing anything.
UltimateSpinDash Laywers who realized how much money they would make
Prosecutors only bring cases to court if they think, based on the evidence, that the accused is guilty. It actually makes complete sense for them to have a conviction quota. JO tends to skip over valid counter-arguments which is what makes his show so weak.
Ouch, all the “please don’t die” jokes about RBG hurt now.
Yeah I just got to it.... big oof. Wish she'd retired in 2014.
10:27
Came here to say this
Even more so now! Ugh good bye rights(I’m lgbtq+)
@@serenabean868 And bye abortion.
The only show today which is not talking 24/7 about President Orange but instead unravels the every day shit that could happen to any of us for no reason. Thank you John for taking care of us!
AlbanianSunN Since you said President Orange I'm hearing "Hey Apple" in Trump's voice.
Kinda hard not to talk about Trump when he is lying constantly and disgracing our country.
Your TDS is showing there sweetie.
AT&T was going to cancel this show, but they couldn't get the call through.
Wow... Really... John Oliver threw shade at them in this episode,... Do you have the link to the News???
John Oliver is a modern day hero...
Ohhhhh, Kenneth.
Then why was it posted on RUclips, dumbass??
Elias Vercetti What are you talking about?
Criminal justice reform is the bread and butter of Last Week Tonight and it never fails to open our eyes to how broken America really is.
And the only way to fix it is to understand that its broken in the first place.
You needed last week tonight to make you aware of issues?
The American system is not broken, it has been working perfectly for the ruling donor class, all these prosecutors wrongfully putting innocent people into prison is just what their donors from private prison industry want, because how else can you find such cheap labor in America that work for few cents an hour? It's all about money like everything else in America.
"The American System is not broken".. we got the first one everyone! The first living in denial. Please, PLEASE never have a Job with considerble influence on People, as I'm completely certain you'll missuse it. I really don't care what you said afterwards, the first sentence gave you kinda away. And even if its "all about money", HOW THE FUCK can you claim that it is not broken speaking of an innocent life at stake?!
The Muffin Man Did you really read his comment? He obviously meant it isn't broken in their eyes, in the eyes of those who profit.
If you lead to someone being wrongfully sentenced to 25 years prison, in Germany it is seen as a deprivation of liberty as if you locked him up yourself and you are charged for that.
Thats one of the reasons why I am glad I was born in Germany (or west-europe as a whole for that matter)
If only the penalty for them was to serve the time that they wrongfully made an innocent man do. That or, put him in a room restrained, with the wrongfully innocent man and a suite of surgical tools, and close your eyes.
@@JustsomeSteve As opposed to all the other reasons that make you ashamed? Actually, thinking on semi-recent history, that makes sense.
@@HOTD108_ Do you want people to dig up the worst of what people did 100 years ago where you live and tell you to be ashamed for it? Because if you live in the US, the last 100 years don't look so good.
What's sad is that I had absolutely none of this was going on. I like how John Oliver focuses on many of the less talked about topics opposed to the more trendy ones.
I really like how he does that too. I also like how, even when he does cover a more trendy topic, he tends to approach the topic in a different way from others - focusing on an aspect of the topic that is less talked about and discussed.
Came here for some good jokes. Leaving here terrified of ever being on trial.
To be honest, this seems to be a problem overwhelmingly relevant to (especially) poor blacks and latinos, as well as poor whites. It's merely another way to penalize people of color while also perpetuating the for-profit prison system. The next time a DA is running for office, see if there's any information about who or what organization(s) are funding their campaign. This is the work of being in a democracy, folks.
Derium's Pokemon ... to go to trial you MUST have a lawyer. How much money do you have? Give it all to me!... Had business partner and brother-in-law who paid tens of thousands for non violent charges.
Michael J. Oghia You can't blame democracy for what you said though. Lots of other democracies don't have any of the things you mentioned in your post.
Makkushimu fair point, though I was referencing the fact that voters need to be informed. Enabling more inclusive, informed, fair, and progressive policymaking is a completely different story, though it also requires an informed and engaged citizenry.
My cousin became a lawyer. He claims to only defend the innocent...we all know he's a monster
In my 2nd semester of college, two friends and I were wrongfully accused of stealing Magic: The Gathering cards from the local Wal-Mart. The other two took plea deals after receiving an offer of 20 hours of community service. I refused to take the same deal, despite the lawyer I paid for letting me know the prosecution had a video from the security camera as evidence against me (which is obviously not possible). So the day of the hearing comes and my lawyer tells me the court's VCR wasn't working (this was the end of 2012 at this point...), and so the prosecution had delayed the trial. The day of the reschedule hearing rolls around and there's a long wait. Sure enough, my lawyer tells me that the prosecution's tape isn't working, but we will proceed regardless. My lawyer tells me "everything is taken care of". So in the courtroom, the JUDGE tells me that the prosecution and defense have reached a deal (which I had not been informed of), where the case is dropped and I'm banned from all Wal-Marts and Sam's Clubs (and can't counter-sue since it's a deal). Since this was the first time I had heard about this deal, and indeed the first time I had ever been in trouble for anything, I'm stunned; I hesitated and said "I'm sorry, what?", to which the judge sternly and loudly repeats themself. At this point I kinda jump and say "Yes" to the deal. My cowardly lawyer had made a deal with a prosecution that had ZERO evidence against me. So in addition to the prosecutor being a sleazebag, my own lawyer played along in their game, telling me after the deal was to "appease Wal-Mart" (exact words), despite me telling him from day 1 I had no intention of taking any deal.
On the topic of defense lawyers, for any innocent person looking for a defense lawyer, never hire Nic B. Kuvshinoff in Maryland. He's a spineless coward (and it's not defamation if it's true; come and get me, coward). One of the few regrets I hold is not responding to the judge with "I'd like to request a brief recess while I fire my lawyer, as he is no longer working with my interests in mind."
Is that even legal for him to make a deal behind your back and without your permission?
Once I said "Yes", I technically agreed to it. Had I afterwards tried to go after my lawyer, he would have been in the clear since I agreed to the deal he arranged on my behalf (despite me not being privy to the deal prior to hearing it in court). I would have needed a far better lawyer than Nic B. Kuvshinoff to argue that one (not saying much since he's a spineless coward, but you get my point). If I had not agreed to that deal, then I would have a case against him. Like many lawyers, he lives in that shady "unethical but not illegal" gray area.
R/thathappened
@@mikeharris6429 Quick google search, and it looks like it DID happen.
BTW, if someone is offering their services as a business such as a private attorney, you can talk shit about said private attorney all you want. It's like any other business. You're free to talk bad about Wal-Mart, restaurants, etc.
I live in a conservative house hold and last week tonight is a large part of me formimg my own thoughts and opinions about politics and the general world.
so do you like the fallout games? because if you do I have an interesting video by hbomberguy to show you. and who knows once you're done maybe you might watch some of his other content...
He really exposes the truth behind a lot of things that are made to seem so black and white but are really complicated and nuanced with the proof to drive his points home.
@Joshua Steele god no lol. Dont say that name in the same breath as anyone on the left in your life Josh.
It's good to take in other people's perceptions and view points. I was in the same boat as you while growing up, except I did not have social media. Once in the "real world" I suddenly realised how little I knew outside the bubble I was raised in but I was open to learning. Those years were some of my fondest as I learnt to love and accept others unconditionally and to not be judgemental. In learning to love and appreciate people's unique attributes and differences, I learnt to love my own. We learn more if we are an open book.
@@byrongordonbeukes3934 I mean, exposure to conflicting arguments should be self-moderated. No one is immune to propaganda.
The punishment for withholding evidence should be equal to the consequence for the person sent to jail. 25 years off an innocent person's life in jail = 25 years in jail for withholding evidence that could have cleared that person
Amanda Armstrong
I completely agree!
At the very least it should be disbarment. Not 5 days in contempt of court. Of course something on top of disbarment is best, but disbarment should be automatic. That 1 guy being the only guy who was punished even as much as staying in contempt for 5 days is just disgusting.
Exactly! If the prosecutor literally knows the accused is innocent, and has evidence of it, and still prosecutes them or pressures them into a guilty plea, that prosecutor should suffer every penalty the defendant does, along with disbarment and seizure of the majority of their assets for good measure. Hit 'em in their cushy job, *and* in the money... see how many of the bastards keep doing it then.
They should be brought up on a type of perjury charge.. A stiff fine AND jail time.
Now that's justice!
“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished.
But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.” -John Adams
PitLord777
This should be in every police handbook, court room, law book, and more.
It pretty much is. No one wakes up in the morning and says "Gee, I hope I get to arrest/convict an innocent person today."
I've been looking for these exact words for a month. It was at the crux of an argument I had made, but I didn't find the very core of it. I'm glad I found this comment. Thank you.
@@jermainerace4156 The video actually highlights the incentives of attorneys doing that.
This should be quoted more often.
John Oliver is a brilliant man and his staff are also brilliant. They manage to both enlighten and entertain, while leaving the viewer (or some anyway) with either a sense of existential dread or a burning desire to take action to right a dreadful wrong. Bravo to them all!
Um........so where's *consumer?*
The channel that would post clips from LWT that aren't on the official RUclips channel?
Did he get blocked or banned? I can't even find _any_ old clips...let alone the channel itself.
I'm sure there's other LWT fans who know the channel I'm referring to. Anyone know what's up?
Lily Darkmoore ; DON'T FORGET HE IS READING A PREPARE📚SCRIPT.!!!.🎃.
avedic
That channel was violating LWTs copyright and was probably nuked. I'm suprised they got away with it for so long.
He is owned by HBO man, he brings up some issue's but he is still a corporate stueg. He won't bring up trump arming neo Nazi's in Ukraine, or Trump continuesly occupying Syrian territory, or the fact Israel has way more sway than Putin. "But sure Trump's Putin's puppet, and Russia was totally wrong for showing apperantly illegal investigative reporting." Sarcasm. However I do believe Trump and Russia have shady business deal's together, both a bunch of mobsters and Russian officials went to one of Trump's hotel's over in Guatemala I think it was back in the 1990's. That's not even mentioning his connections to the mafia from his father's real estate business back in the 70's, that he met because Trump's father kept him from Vietnam. Then in the 1980s Trump went to his father to ask for an investment of 10s of million dollar's which went to known associates of mob bosses, it's believed he helped disrupt workers Union's.
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“Prosecutors will decide”... sounded awfully like “resistance is futile” Borg style 😂
... scarely true...
The worst part?
There's no Federation, Star Fleet, or Enterprise Senior Crew Members that can heroically save the day...
The legal system is horrifying.
is it there to help or harm?
seems blurred when it should be clearly defined
And very expensive whether you're guilty or not.
The prosecutor Behind the Cosby Case Campaigned to the majority female vote on getting Cosby and no Innocent till proven guilty that's how the Cosby Case aways was from the start. And Plea Deals so those wrongfully convicted especially in sexual assault cases ADMITTED! TO! IT!
But Reading the deposition it. What was asked was it in your mind and want to sex with you gave these quaaludes to. Now question is what did quaaludes actually do
Harsh penalties on prosecutors and reduced salaries should be the norm here.
I agree with you, its freaking nuts. But you got any legislative ideas?
It's always a good day when there's a new John Oliver episode 💛
Aint that the truth :D
Bernadette Teaches Music Oh wow! I love your music lessons and am a fan of your covers! 😄
Bernadette Teaches Music ... AGREE
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So every Sunday ?
"better to have 10 guilty men free than 1 innocent man suffer"
-Sir William Blackstone
Vladimir Puhduhduh yeah that y one got the title sir while other got home wrecked angela
Blackstone's formulation? Is that for "beyond all reasonable doubt"
@MR. Bucket I'd disagree strongly to that ^^ Two men accused of murder, Peter is innocent but convicted guilty, Brian is guilty but free of charges. Both situations are injustices potentially leading to more harm. Peter's family's lives are shattered, some may act violently on emotional response to what they know to be unjust, amongst other potential consequences (Oh he ran a business ? job loss for everyone, ...etc.) Also, Brian is free to act badly again, just with a little more experience about how not to get caught/prosecuted, experience which he might share, etc.
And arithmetics are irrlevant here. "10 guilty men" has no meaning since the amounts of harm and degrees of guilt can and do vary wildly between any of them. Blackstone sounds more like an emo teen poet than like a rational judge here if I may...
@ toshir0m1
Wow! The core of your first argument relies on not understanding math and the second part is you affirming that the obvious counterargument is irrelevant and applying an ad-hominem.
You seem to have been very wrong on the internet before.
I don't think you can quantize it. Put another way, would you willingly spend the rest of your life in prison if it meant there was also a murderer in prison who would otherwise have gone uncaught?
I don't think you can assume every violent crime was committed by a serial killer...... that's just silly.
I got screwed by this system in college. I took a $1,000 fine, not realizing that the false conviction would screw me in later life. I got a great job out of college (Cornell is awesome for getting a job, FYI), and I received another amazing job post MBA.
What I did not realize was that background checks would become universal. I had over a dozen job offers rescinded after getting laid off in the financial crisis (laid off mid-2009, started real full time job in spring 2011). Since then I have have well over a dozen job offers rescinded, plus jobs that seemed like slam dunks that magically no where after I filled out full paperwork including the authorization of background checks.
One of my worst was from Wipro (an Indian outsourcing firm trying to get into management/financial consulting (my world)). My first IT contact and core contact, plus my hiring manager signed off on my hire, but corporate HR killed my hire two days before my start date, after I had confirmed everything was okay, moved, and paid for half of this with credit cards!
Other firms I would like to shame: CNA Insurance, Magnetar, Wells Fargo, the Chicago Fed (not the New York Fed who gave me an offer, but the Chicago Fed whose response to my reference to the New York Fed, was to have a stereotypically ditzy HR individual tell me that the problem was not that they could not hire me, as their functional employees requested, but they chose to block the hire of a potentially violent candidate. I cannot explain how not violent I am, but those I tell this story to usually laugh uncontrollably (I am a stereotypical gentle giant, who has only lost it when racist savages threatened my non-white ex-wife, or when racists threaten women or children).
Our legal system is out of control, with child-rapers getting minimal sentences while poor black men selling weed getting huge sentences for not reason.
Cities should stop bothering with drugs and let the DEA sort that out. They should focus on sex crimes, violent crimes, and theft targeting homeowners in order to both make our cities better amd imprison the bad guys while leaving poor kids with no other options alone. No one is forcing morons to use drugs. Let’s focus on the real bad guys (rapists, child molesters, murderers, thieves,...), while avoiding poor kids with few options.
A couple years ago I was wrongly accused of a crime ( charges were eventually dropped)
I remember a lot of these things happening, the prosecution holding evidence, as well as the prosecutor getting into literal verbal fights with the judge, but one of the biggest things I remember from it is that my lawyer once told me that he used to be a prosecutor and he had to quit that job because he felt like he was being told to put people he knew to be innocent in prison almost everyday
Prosecutor fighting with the judge? The judges are usually fully supportive of nearly anything the prosecutors request.
@@edinfific2576 oh no, you should have seen it
this guy was agressive. i was lucky to get a judge that understood the "politics" of the courtroom and was able to hold the Prosecutor accountable for his crap.
the Prosecutor didnt like it, and they got into some pretty intense arguments
@@alexcook2206 That's very rare that a prosecutor is held accountable at any level for anything. You were very lucky to have had a judge and an attorney like that. The prosecutor sounds like nearly all of them, conviction is the most, or the only, important thing, everything else is secondary, including the law (except where it can be used against the defendant to the fullest extent imaginable), the rules and regulations.
Accountability isn't a thing in America, if you are rich, famous or powerful.
If there was accountability, a lot of the issues with corruption would correct themselves to some degree.
0:32 - For those who don't know, the Central Park 5 were a group of juveniles who were wrongfully sentenced for a rape and assault case back in 1989, despite DNA evidence proving them innocent, they were still sentenced are nearly 12 years until the real culprit confessed because he was already given a life sentence for a different crime. The 5 were eventually freed and are sued NY for the injustice they got. I don't remember if they won anything.
They each won around $1 mil for each year they served. The younger 4 got $6-7 mil each and the older one got like $13 mil
Also worth noting, Trump took out a full page ad in the NYT calling for their execution even after DNA evidence had proven them to be not guilty.
@@AC-gw4qu What a fucking disgrace this orange is for a country praising itself so much all the fucking time.
It's worth noting that I believe none of them where white.
@@Angry5704 Yes, I believe they were all Black & Latino. There were heavy racial implications with this case
It's a double injustice too. While this innocent person is in prison due to a plea deal the actual perp is still out there likely committing more crime.
So on the one hand we have defendants who are severely underfunded and overworked, and on the other prosecutors who are out for your blood. Wow.
Seeing that some countries would fund way more on military rather than healthcare and hospitals, I won't be surprised if this really concludes that we, the human species, really just enjoy the destruction of human lives instead of saving them.
And I don't buy for one minute that's not by design.
John Oliver is a modern day hero!
he is t
he does a great job of spreading useful knowledge on important topics... I'd be honored if some fellow John Oliver fans would check out my acoustic piano & vocal cover (live, no autotune) of PRAYING FOR TIME on my channel in tribute to the great GEORGE MICHAEL. The man hasn't gotten his due for all the contributions he made to modern music as a vocalist, songwriter and producer. But eventually he will get his due. THANK YOU GEORGE. WE MISS YOU.
Trial by Ambush is an incredible band name by the way.
YES! It's time.
Things like this are why I want to become a lawyer. I might get shamed out of every firm I work in, but we need people who want to reform the system.
How does this show consistently fill me with such existential dread *and* hope? At the same time?
I am stunned that these law people are genuinely using arguments that would sound abhorrent out of he mouth of an actual murderer defending their case. Can you imagine if somebody argued "Well, I think I'm a law-abiding citizen because after 30 years, I released the person I kidnapped, which is better than if I'd killed them or if they'd died from the inhumane treatment I inflicted on them"? Or if they went behind their accuser and whispered "stab, stab stab" in their ear? Or if they said "I'm reasonably confident that I was right that this guy was going to attack me so it's okay for me to kill him"? Well, that last one is actually a thing in Florida but, you know, can you imagine that anywhere else?
SsnakeBite ... wow. well Made point. Brilliant. add a joke at the beginning, and a joke at the end of about something else obscene or ridiculous about Florida, and this could have been written for this show.
I mean the im reasonably sure he wants to Attack me so i defended myself Bit is valid. That's one of the Main basis of self defense trials Not just in america but also in Germany
I love John Oliver just looking right into the camera and daring AT&T to hit him back.
It not like AT&T would just shutdown that show for doing that.
Jomarcenter Media - That would require one of their calls to go through.
That "prosecutors will decide" sound clip sounds like the Borg.
hey, someone else heard that!
@@natesmodelsdoodles5403 Shit too late. How many nerds are over here?
@@marcelsirer quite a few, but not enough.
@@natesmodelsdoodles5403 Yup, we need more.
*Porg
I don't understand how a prosecutor who knowingly witholds evidence for the purpose of convicting someome to death isn't responsible for Attempted Murder. And taking 30 years out of someone's life is unspeakably cruel. Depriving them of their family, their purpose, their loves and their freedom... cruelty beyond corporeal punishment. We treat people who kidnap and lock people away as monsters worthy of horror and legend but allow someone who uses our system of justice to do just that, crush these lives to fuel their perverted egos and financial gain--and then they get to simply walk our streets with a light slap on the wrist if anything... that's horror beyond words. That's evil worse than the actual criminals they face in trial.
you forgot the part about absoluely, worse than fast food, abysmal food.
I guess it's to insure that prosecutors won't back off a case only because they have to fear being wrong and honestly, I absolutely agree to that part, although the truly powerful culprits will have other ways of threatening their prosecutor most likely. The way the system should work is by having a prosecutor ready to find every misconduct, but also a defender able to do their best defending. I think the worst part about your system is that one side has full control over the evidences brought to court as Oliver said. That's a point where prosecutors should face severe sentences for withholding evidence. Otherwise it could help not having them prepare the evidence as they like to begin with.
PViP simple solution - prosecution and defense get access to evidence at exactly the same time - otherwise the scales of justice are atomatically tilted to one side or the other... give both sides a level playing field or true justice is impossible to achieve
PViP well he didnt say punish them for beeing wrong. he said knowingly withholding evidence in order to convict someone should be a serious crime like attempted murder.
“Prosecutors will decide” is the “Small businesses are the backbone of the American economy” of criminal justice journalism.
Where does _"this is extremely dangerous to our democracy"_ fit in that comparison?
Best form of journalism on television
Yes, investigation journalism in the U.S. is not dead after all. It just looks like a comedy show now.
After learning the truth about the Central Park Five, I was so mad. Those teens lost everything because the system ignored the actual perpetrator. I watched the documentary for school.
Getting innocent people locked up and taking the most iportant years of their lifes is the most outrageous thing I can think of.
It should be criminalized
Heba Khaled it is, except the accused serves the sentence for the crimes of the prosecutor.
Idea: let’s stop doing that & make prisons rehabilitive
What I find more outrageous is the lack of accountability. Our system isn't perfect and wrongful convictions will happen, even when everyone is acting in good faith. However, when people are not only failing to act in good faith, but are being rewarded for their misconduct, that's just wrong. I'm not sure its possible to remove the rewards from the system because fear of crime will keep on fueling demand for "tough on crime" policies. However, a robust system of accountability could increase both penalties for misconduct and oversight (increasing the odds of getting caught), to make those rewards less appealing.
It’s happened to me and about to again! I’M PETRIFIED!
RIP consumer. You will be missed.
Vishnu Why did they remove the channel? Now how will we watch the shorter segments?🤦🤦🤦
What happened?!
A tragedy
When you google it, a reddit post about it is the first result right now. Some company in India filed copyright claims against a bunch of videos on the channel at once and the channel was suspended. The owner of the channel doesn't want to deal with the hassle of fighting back, despite the fact that HBO had been aware of the channel for years and they had agreed not to file claims as long the videos were kept under 5 minutes and not monetized. It sounds like consumer wanted a break from uploading clips every week anyway, so sadly this is probably how it ends.
Sappharad thanks for the info. I was just wondering where his clips were at. Too bad... I hope he makes it back.
Anyone else notice that all the faces on that model electric chair were black?
Pokerface maybe Kevin Steal he Campaigned entirely to female dominated majority vote on getting Cosby
Username checks out.
Pokerface Really? What's smart about his assery?
Pokerface 90% accurate?!
It's a guess,that's 90% accurate,probably..
That electric chair thingy is the equivalent of a serial killer trophy. That racist scumbag definitely took great join in sending people to death row.
“We are Prosecutus of borg. You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.”
I've overheard prosecutors chatting amongst eachother in court when they didn't know others were listening. Zero empathy. They laugh about wrecking people's lives.
Josh Andersen that’s so horrible.
They think they're wrecking the lives of the "bad guys" - it's all they perceive the person as. It's the simplistic nature of society - people are slotted as "good guys" or "bad guys".
True enough. "Innocent until proven guilty," is the ideal, but when their in the mode of seeing everyone and a scoff-law ne'er-do-well, for enough time, all they see is, "bad guys." My brother's a public defender. I don't know how he does it.
I am in no way trying to defend them but please take into account that they are making decisions that affect the lives of people every single day. It's a job with a tremendous amount of responsibility. One way to counter the inherent stress that comes with the position is humour, even if in bad taste. Think of surgeons as another example: they usually have the sickest dark humour there is and that is just a way for them to balance out the weight they carry on their shoulders. It's a self-defense mechanism. I am sure we all have made decisions in our lives that had serious ramifications and even many years later we still ponder whether or not we have made the right call at the time. Now imagine if you had to make such decisions on a daily basis. If you were to contemplate them all the time you would end up a nervous wreck in a few years.
I know. I don't blame them. I was a Navy medic for a few years. One of the things they taught us, drilled into us, was, to never apply a half-tourniquet. Navy corpsmen are compassionate, by nature. Save someone pain. What they did to me, they didn't know. I don't blame them for their lack of training, I don't blame anyone. They attached and ankle bracelet to me, it broke down about once a month, and they refit it to the indentation it had made, not the actual size. It cinched things off right where most major nerves and tendons come and go to a complex part of the body. I hadn't driven in months, because of chronic pain, the night I was pulled over, it was in the heart of winter, when the pain was at its fullest, and I was only going three blocks. "He's a threat to society." Was what the prosecutors said. I didn't have any prior record. I was treating my pain in the only way I'd found to work. Not a long-term solution, but kept me from falling into another depression episode. (not a mood, by the way. It's a physical state where you're physically incapable of having any will to live.) I didn't expect any special treatment, I didn't mention I was a war vet, because that shouldn't matter. I've been trying to fix it, been to the doctor, was referred to a specialist. I didn't say all of this, because I was trusting them when they said, "We're good at law enforcement." The defense kept trying to assure me, "This isn't your fault." They put me in the same classification as people who'd dealt drugs, robbed houses and cars, when I was licking my wounds after having taken in a homeless woman. My grandfather was a law professor at Stanford, I was a farmer, eagle scout, missionary, war vet, and professional artist and musician by the time I was 25. And they put me on an Excel sheet. My probation officer's been nice, judge Lambo's been nice. Mandatory minimums, another of John Oliver's peeve broadcasts, can shed some more light on it. The judge just all but threw his hands in the air, "This is the best I can do for you." I've been working with them, as best I can. I understand. I swore an oath to protect this country, I took that to mean even from myself, should I become broken. Gallows humor is fine. I know it, I miss the banter with my colleagues. Trained with Navy S.E.A.L's, was a member of Company 001, first Gulf War. I'm trying to deal with it as it comes, and hope they understand. I've seen what they've had to deal with. It's no disrespect. Not many have been through what I have, but some have.
*_PROSECUTORS WILL DECIDE_*
Thank you so much for doing this important story. I worked in Cook County IL criminal courts for 15 years, and every word you said was true. If you ever wanted to follow up on this story, Cook County prosecutors (State's Attorneys) also decide if police can charge felonies at all, in a process called felony review, which lets the prosecutors' office throw out cases that they feel they cannot win, after a 15 min review, usually by an attorney who has never prosecuted on the felony level. It has led to a seriously low level of prosecution of domestic violence and sexual assault felonies (the area I worked in). Police wind up downgrading charges to misdemeanors just to avoid the hassle.
the system too often punishes the innocent (both survivors and accused) and privileges the guilty.
The mob was associated with the pd there
This was one of the most informative shows I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch and be featured in, stop wrongful convictions.
In today's episode of "An Enormous Problem You Didn't Even Know Existed"...
Indeed
Delovely 1 This is why almost all the problems he points out persist. Most people don't know about this because they've never been criminally charged before. The better question is why would they know along with the 50 other obscure things John Oliver has shed light on?
And it’s even more scare when your realize these are problems that are very very hard to solve unless things change which they rarely do.
God, ikr?
Can we petition to get the show to change its name to “An Enormous Problem You Didn’t Even Know Existed”? Because that fits what this show is about better
As someone in a DUI case where my results prove I was not over the limit, twice, and have been waiting for almost two years to go to trial because of “misplaced” evidence, this is accurate. CA by the way.
Pffffffft. Come talk to me when you've spent 7 court dates, $2,500+, and a (current) total of *four and half years* awaiting the resolution of a $120 ticket. These fuggers are trying to SLAPP me into submission! The court has EASILY spent more than me on it. There's no possible way they will ever come out ahead, yet they keep going, and keep delaying. I guess that's what happens when your business has absolutely no solvency requirements...
P.S.: first line was just a figure of speech...not trying to detract from your situation. 👍
The US system regularly confuses me. Why is it the prosecutor's job to convit people like that, to use tactics to make sure the other side has as little defence as possible. I am a law-student in Germany, and the rules here is that the defendend has basically one and a half defenders, his own, and the prosecutor. The job of the prosecutor is to present the case from all sides, everything that stands against, but also in favour of the accused. He it the neutral one that, after seeing all evidence first hand, dicides that the person is guilty enough to go to court, but to show his position, he has to show his complete reasoning, not only the side of it that is about making the person look guilty.
The fact that in the US, the prosecutor has not to present the facts as well that are in favour of the defendend is rather baffeling and seems like a open door for abuse of power.
Mysterios1989 as much as I agree with you that they shouldn't be threaten of their choice to allow the system to take place instead of simple never have a jury to begin with, there seems to be like so much talk of over crowding of people in prison here in the US to the point that it feels like every 2 seconds 10 new people are in jail cause we like arresting people (sarcastic tone).
Mysterios1989 It's largely the product of the adversarial system in a common law system like the U.S. and the U.K., as opposed to the inquisitorial system in a civil law system like Germany. The lawyers on each side are supposed to be zealous advocates for their own sides with the judge as a neutral arbiter and, in a jury trial, the jury as the determiners of facts. Under such a system, it is easy to see how being a zealous advocate can amount to trying to lock up as many defendants as possible. That said, professional rules of conduct for prosecutors in the U.S. usually state that the prosecutor's first obligation is to justice. But "justice" can be highly subjective, and, as the story here shows, prosecutors are elected officials who can lose their jobs for being "soft on crime."
"Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten"
Mysterios1989 well in my opinion its a racial thing cause if you didn't notice its a bunch of black men being exonerated for crimes they didn't commit!! and especially since we have a for profit prison system now that pays judges and politicians to lock up as many people as they can its easiest to lock us up on trumped up charges
What happens if a prosecutor in Germany isn't neutral?
Excellent video. This is why I think this show deserves every award it gets. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This is truly terrifying. I think it's hard for people who haven't experienced these prosecutors to understand how terrifying this issue is.
no i think its still very terrifying maybe the most terrifying thing i know about america
Daniel' It is not hard for me! We have many problems that need fixing in this country, yet the Baby in the WH was constant attention. I hope the media finally wakes up and stops covering him constantly, especially repeating the same points!
Well if they haven’t experienced it they should play the Ace Attorney games
Simply try to fight a traffic ticket sometime. That's all it takes.
If you're a prosecutor who takes pride in sending people to the chair, you're a psycopath.
Oisin Lynch Absolutely. My co-workers keep some macabre souvenirs of murder trials, like dental impressions of a murderers teeth with a rose clenched between them, but not a celebration of executions! Yeesh.
True, serial killers often keep trophies from their murders and some try to out do another serial killer's body count.
Sociopaths take pride in twisting the rules to do very evil things and get away with it. Could you imagine how much joy a sociopath would get out of being a prosecutor?
There are probably a good number that already are.
It's literally legal murder... Oh god, is that a super dark pun? Inappropriate.
I graduated from law school at Miami top 15% of my class, moot court board, trial advocacy award, and an intense interest in the criminal law. I interviewed with the U.S. Attorney in Miami and during the first interview I was asked if I would always turn over exculpatory evidence to the defense. I said "yes." Never heard from them again.
Probably because you were top 15%
jesus. in canada, there is a continuing obligation to disclose everything relevant.
Carrie Herman that requirement exists in the US too, but it’s not uncommon for prosecutors to... “forget” about it
Chances are you just bombed the interview. Also you probably went to a lower tier school in Miami and you werent on Law Review nor going to be Clerking. All those are strikes agaisnt you.
@@Bruss813 I'd bet against that. DAs don't want prosecutors that might hurt their electability - and losing cases because you didn't cheat does just that.
Thank God these videos have intermittent jokes. I would have torn my hair off in anger otherwise.
Rickrollingman yep..
Damn... Ace Attorney seems a lot more realistic now, just imagine every prosecutor as Manfred Von Karma.
Better than the prosecutors of Khura'in.
Where the hell is "Karma"?
Carrie Reed
Legal Eagle would say otherwise
Good news, I just updated the autopsy
@@vaevictus4637 Manfred on Karma is a character from the Video game series Ace Attorney, where you typically play as a Defense Attorney
Thank you John Oliver, you bring things to light that need to be considered.
Remember folks, if you are called for jury duty, don't avoid it. Use it to help release an innocent person from the clutches of the corrupt system.
That is literally your job.
Yeah if I ever get jury duty, I will be the hold out unless I am ABSOLUTELY SURE the person did it.
I never wanted this to happen, but with every episode of LWT I watch, I become more and more glad I don't live in the US.
Idk how prosecutors can go to sleep at night when they send an innocent person to jail. Smh.
Mental gymnastics. Catch-phrases like "have to break a few eggs" or "can't win them all" (ironically) and so on.
I imagine with the subject matter many learn to turn off parts of their own humanity and ignore certain parts of the moral compass, lest it get to murky and undermine the ability to do their job. That's for the best ones. The others don't even have such things to deal with and simply want power, position, and the feeling of being in control of other people's lives, for whatever reason such things developed within them. These latter types only have a problem sleeping when they DON'T maintain control of this sort.
They're psychos. They just get to act out their cruelties legally.
Saad Qureshi easy, power over others and money
Whenever I ask myself that kind of question, I always find the same answer: They are sociopaths.
Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin did I miss something? Are there a bunch of Jewish lawyers running things in Louisiana? More like good ol'-fashioned god-fearin' cousin-fuckin' good-ol'-boys #knowyourtribe #kkkisretarded
Justice delayed _is_ justice denied.
We've gotten to a point in society where someone with a homer simpson avatar on a glorified cat video delivery service understands justice better than those who designed the system.
Satellite Breakfast to be honest, when I first started reading your comment I thought, "oh no here comes the insult"… But thank you. It is a sad state of affairs.
What prosecutors are supposed to be like: “It doesn’t matter how many underhanded tricks a person uses… The truth will always find a way to make itself known. The only thing we can do is to fight with the knowledge we hold and everything we have. Erasing the paradoxes one by one… It’s never easy… We claw and scratch for every inch. But we will always eventually reach that one single truth. This I promise you.”
What prosecutors are actually like: “The guilty will always lie, to avoid being found out. There's no way to tell who is guilty and who is innocent! All that I can hope to do is get every defendant declared ‘guilty’! So I make that my policy.”
If every prosecutor was like Miles Edgeworth, the world would be a better place.
And here I thought Ace Attorney was unrealistic.
It is. It's just that Manfred Von Karma is so extreme that it's easy to assume that he's part of the fantasy.
Yey Ace attorney fans
Japan's actually worse than America in this regard. Prosecutors win literally 99% of the time in Japan, as opposed to the 95% guilty pleas here.
I WAS JUST THINKING THIS! Now that game as social commentary makes sense!
"Wrong! The only thing you must do here is slam down your gavel and find the defendant guilty!"
My dad was a prosecutor (he was recently forced to resign due to shouting at a officer to shut up during court) and when I was younger he would tell me about how he'd dress in all black on court days to intimidate the defendant. He was manipulative, untrustworthy, and emotionally abusive, and I blame his job as a domestic violence district attorney for how he treated my mother and I.
I stopped talking to him and put some time between my past and the guilt he'd make me feel with his texts, and until recently I notice my mental health start to improve for the first time in at least a decade. I no longer fantasize about suicide or have regularly occurring nightmares where I'm forced to see him again.
Killjoy Whovian I'm sorry. My childhood wasn't that severe.
I'm so sorry. Hang in there
Killjoy Whovian damn... You’re like a real life episode of SVU
To everyone who has replied, thank you for your kind words.
you got toughen up a bit man, i had a real shit childhood and horrible parents to but "uncomfortable sex jokes" "ignoring you when you spoke" it just sounds like youre amplifying your issues by misspercieving behavior. I could be wrong, but you gotta chill with the sad story if you make something bad that happened out to be worse than it really is , it doesnt make you stronger. infact it weakens you and starts a cycle of making every horrible thing in your life feel 20 times more horrible till you practically rewrite your own memories and start creating more nightmares that feel like reality
I find it so appalling that prosecutors can get away with hiding crucial evidence from Defense Attorney's or giving it to them at the last second before trial. And when the do hide evidence that would exonerate someone they face no penalties or charges for ruining someones life! That's so outrageous! Changes are definitely needed.
News reporters: Prosecutors will decide whether to press charges
Literally anyone who has faced criminal charges: Prosecutors will decide if you're rich enough to stay out of jail
That's not true though.... in most places, judges set bond rates & judges determine whether or not you get out... prosecutors put you there in the first place.
Prosecutors usually select the cases they believe are a slam-dunk win for them to prosecute. I have a case currently sitting with my state’s DA office against a man I worked with, who groomed and abused me in unspeakable ways. The police investigation found probable cause that he committed 3 types of felony SA and IPV against me the last time I saw him. Each charge worth a minimum of 10 years in prison.
The police chief explained to me that the DA only prosecutes select cases and not to get my hopes up. I was actually relieved in a way because going through a trial myself and having to testify against an evil man in court would have retraumatized the crap out of me. SA cases are notoriously hard to prosecute, and only about 40% of such cases sent to a DA end up being prosecuted. And, of all the rape cases reported to police, only 1% of them survive through an investigation, probable cause found, and sent to a DA. 1%! I actually consider myself lucky for getting that far, it was super validating and helped me heal.
DAs are elected, so losing a trial looks bad to the voters, which means they really only want the highest profile, most obviously winnable cases to take to trial. The ability of a defendant to afford a competent defense counsel would factor into whether they felt confident a case could be won. But, if the evidence is truly there and damning, even the fanciest defense attorney couldn’t help, so I imagine the finances of the defendant are considered only in some cases, not all.
That dude saying the death penalty should be used more... that guy has the cold, dead eyes of a hardened sociopathic murderer. If he's so hot about it, maybe HE ought to spend 30 years in jail, if it's so preferable.
Somebody ought to kidnap that guy and lock him in a shed. When he complains, they can console him with the fact that he hasn't died or been executed.
ElvenAngel OMG, I thought the same thing.
I get chills and my heart drops when I hear someone who has control over the lives of others say that we should kill more people. That is not a moral thing to say no matter what your job is. Prosecutors have turned the justice system into a game. They don’t care who they hurt as long as they can count it as a win. Politics is the same way.
Agreed. Put him in prison for all the years innocent people have gone away, due to his cruelty. I'm not usually one for vengeance but people who put innocent people in prison deserve nothing but suffering.
Stagmeyer - better yet, hold a mock trial where the 'prosecutor' tells him something like, "look, my kid has a piano recital at 3:00, I just don't have the time to represent you for a whole trial, just take this plea bargain, you'll only stay here for 2 years instead of life."
ElvenAngel I don't think people consider this: with *any* test there is a false positive rate (the chance an innocent will be labeled as guilty), and an execution isn't something that can be taken back. How many innocent people have already been put to death?
Prosecutors from Louisiana got on my nerves. Lack of empathy/accountability. Not even a slight acceptance that his behavior actions fuel the corrupt system that needs to be fixed.
mike lyles Isn't Louisiana's prison system basically a slave trade?
"Prosecutors will decide" is an amazing title to sci-fi/horror book.
Sergey Chernov I'll read it......
I am perfectly fine with being "tough on crime", but first, a crime must have actually happened. "Guilty by default" is not "tough on crime", as non-criminals so often end up in prison- leaving actual criminals free to victimize other people.
And being wrongfully impriosned dosnt exactly give you +100 lawfull citizen it wouldnt be unimaginable for people to then bad
@@coldfusionstormgaming1808 prison is a school for fledgling criminals.
If only the penalty for them was to serve the time that they wrongfully made an innocent man do. That or, put him in a room restrained, with the wrongfully innocent man and a suite of surgical tools, and close your eyes.
Supporting the death penalty means one of two things; either you have complete faith in the justice system to always find the correct people guilty, or you are saying that the government murdering innocent people by mistake is not that much of a problem for you when
compared to raw vengeance.
This is the exact reason why I oppose the death penalty. It boggles the mind to imagine, “small government” conservatives, who don’t really seem to trust the state, are okay with the state having the authority to end your life.
@@JustinMoralesTheComposer Exactly! So-called "small government" conservatives are usually the first people to push for the death penalty and I really just straight up do not understand the mental gymnastics that are required to make that make ANY sense at all.
@@godonlyknows13 I am a small government man and I am against the death penalty.
@@josephcoolest1839 That makes logical sense to me lol.
I'm not personally what one would usually consider "small government" but at least being small government and anti-death penalty tracks logically in my mind.
@@godonlyknows13 yeah you cannot support removing much of the governments power yet allow them the power to kill.
So my sister-in-law calls the cops on her husband because he's assaulting her. Cops show up. Douchebag (now ex) husband says she, the one who called the cops in the first place and is bruised, assaulted HIM. Only bruises on him are his knuckles, and he's missing a bit of hair on his beard where she grabbed and yanked some out while blindly trying to fight him off. Cops arrest SiL. Douchebag ex files assault charges. Prosecutor goes through with charges in spite of hospital check, and photos from hospital backing up she had the shit beat out of her. (She even had a bruise in the shape of a BOOT on the back of her leg that Douchebag says she gave herself.) Prosecutor offers up plea deal because he's hell bent on getting another successful conviction no matter whether the person deserves it or not. Shitty public defender is trying to convince her to plea out and get a reduced sentence, but permanent record of 'assaulting' the guy beating her.
The 'justice' system in my area (DFW, Texas) is a fucking joke. If you are one of these types of prosecutors, cops, state appointed defense attorneys, or people who like to abuse their spouses, kindly do the world a favor and go kiss the front end of a speeding bus.
Annie Nunyabiz bring awareness on FB, on twitter, etc. spread her name and her story. And may she not give in to the pressure!
Fight corrupt systems with our own illegal immoral actions, have some friends take thst shitbag prosecutor out in the woods and go to town with fists, boots, and a curling iron
Hey, did she go to trial? Did she plea out? Please I would like to know...
Annie Nunyabiz
The "Justice" system in America isn't about justice!
It never was!
Only ones who can get lucky and get some kind of "Justice" is those rich enough to pay for it!
It's basically a money making scheme, and a way to achieve political power!
Hardly limited to Texas. The most '"liberal" places in the US treat abuse/rape the same way. It's disgusting.
I... I now need to google who my DA is because I'm in Washington and need to make sure it's not a dog, no matter how good a boy he may be.
tristonanan stop leaving us in suspense! Who?
Holy shit, it's the guy that ran against that dog! Apparently, voters of my county at the time were cowards and didn't want to elect a dog.
tristonanan the cowards!
tristonanan That's ruff.
I would choose a dog
I have one question that he didn't address:
DID THE DOG WIN
Which dog? Though I can tell you it was not the furry one.
How to fix it: prosecutors withholding vital evidence should suffer the very same penalty their clients did.
Dr. Disaster what you describe is already illegal
Withholding evidance is illegal, also known as obstruction of justice.
There is a reason the basic assumption of the justice system is "not guilty until proven guilty".
Unfortunately, such a system would violate the 'cruel and unusual punishments' clause. We don't need vengeance, we just need them to stop being incentivized to do it!
roguishpaladin: when jailing innocent people for decades or sending them to death row is not "cruel and unusual punishment" in your book you might need a different point of view i.e. from behind bars.
I support it
Ah man. The channel "Consumer" must have been deleted becuase I can't find the clips of John Oliver's show that take place before the main story on RUclips now.
Jesse Torres yeah consumer vanished.
he will be missed 😔
Oh, no! Really? So sad.
Jesse Torres I know man
Rest in pepperonis.
It should've been melanoma trump.
Jesse Torres Jesse Torres there is that l e w i i s 0 1 channel you could check that out maybe (oh please let the pirate hunters pass this comment by)
I got to enjoy 9 months in LA County jails a few weeks after I got home from Afghanistan.
I met an awful lot of innocent black dudes. And I'm not being sarcastic...seriously, LITERALLY innocent.
One note on the Ken Anderson case - according to the guy who was convicted, *all he wanted* was Anderson kicked off the bench (he had since become a district court judge) and stripped of his law license. I'd want him to do time, myself...but I gotta side with the wronged party here, if that's seriously all he wanted to be made whole...that kinda matters.
Hats off to you John for calling out your audience. Another example of your passion and commitment to the topics you present (incl. “what can you do now” that aims to inspire action to change large wrongs)👍
Gee, maybe the justice system wouldn't be so busy if we ended the ridiculous war on drugs.
But how else would the DEA and the ATF get their funding?
@@thepassingstatic6268 cutting the DEA entirely is one thing
This win atmosphere for Prosecutors, Trial Dawg award, is like the quotas for cops. The system is demanding criminal behavior by the numbers and enforcing the numbers by any means necessary.
What's the difference between a Prosecutor and a District Attorney?
That surely has nothing to with the lucrative and growing, now Trump-backed private prison industry in the states.
Gregory Reilly
Loving the 2:30 AM uploads.... Who needs sleep anyways
In Denmark it's 8:30 AM 😂
It's always 2:30 AM somewhere.
Drakon Slaya perfect time for watching during breakfast in Europe
Rest in power, may memories of you serve as a blessing, our beloved RBG ❤️
Holy shit the American Justice system is worse than I thought.
MoonShadeStuff I am an American and I want to tell you it is even worse...
Fucking everything in this country is worse than I thought.
MoonShadeStuff Especially Heinous
MoonShadeStuff Better than China's.
MoonShadeStuff it's one of the best in the world too
dear John,
give your researchers/writers a raise.. they've earnt it 3 fold this time 👏
"Oh I'm totally a weeder! I'm into all the weeds! I'm stoning right now! that's how potted I am!" I almost shit myself😂😂😂
I'm a little potted myself...
Is that a weed? I'm calling the police!!
@@four_girls_in_search_of_awesom no, it's a crayon--
I needed to scroll WAY too far to find this.
Tbf this wouldn‘t sound completely out of place from an actual stoner
We all need to buy personal cameras that record every minute of our lives just in case.
SanchoSanto and go live on social media platforms, so nothing can be edited out by the wrong hands.
Our DA ran over his wife, to avoid giving up her money in a divorce. He married into her wealth, she paid for his law school, etc. And since he is a republican, he party of "family values", he had many mistresses, and scandals. His wife was tired of it and going to divorce him. He felt the better option was to murder her and use his connections as the DA to cover it up or at least avoid prosecution. to no one's surprise, the DA declined to charge him. Oh, he won his next bid for DA, and then went on to be elected our State Attorney General. He ran unopposed in every case.
How is this true? Where do you live?
Who's your State Attorney General? He sounds like a psychopath.
that's why you never plead guilty
Tenshi Chan what state????
Is this a plot of Sin City graphic novel or real thing?
If you want to see a scary but brilliant documentary about this very thing, check out the Thin Blue Line.
Baby Nades documentary on Netflix called 13th goes into this as well
Baby Nades thanks.
Will check out both. Me lovey me documentary.
Ah, didn't know that series with Rowan Atkinson was a documentary on police in Britain, but the more you know :D
Baby Nades or ace attorney
Ace Attorney is a lot more accurate than I realized...
* sad objection sounds *
Ace Attorney is about Japan's legal system which is less about "innocent until proven guilty" and more like "guilty until proven innocent".
@@aoeu256 while here, it's guilty unless proven innocent, except you don't even have a chance to prove yourself innocent :)
Sad, isn't it?
@@amogus7978 the funny thing is. the things Prosecutors like Edgeworth (at first) and Manfred Von Karma do are pretty much par for the course with America's legal system, like the video says, there's pretty much no penalty Prosecutors face for withholding crucial evidence. The only one in those games that would be shafted in America's Legal system is Phoenix himself, with HIS surprise evidence.
Man, now I see why Ace Attorney has so many corrupt prosecutors...
Throw Dale Cox in jail for 30 years, while waving his impending death over his head, release him and then ask him if he think the system works..... I just cant see how anyone can think like that, and he holds a pretty high position in society!
“Better a thousand innocent men are locked up than one guilty man roam free” - Dwight. We laughed at the absurdity of that sentence on tv but we let it happen in reality😞
Unfortunately if 1000 innocent men are locked up, we have 1000 guilty men roaming free.
Sounds like Stalin
You KNOW Dwight would love tRump all day.
@fatzgebum, thx, was about to say that as well.. Cultures are quite different, I suppose that's the reason behind it
I just don't get it, why do the prosecuters have all the evidence? Why doesn't the police work with the court directly and both the prosecuters and defense attorneys get the evidence from there? And why don't they show the jury ALL the evidence? If the jury only knows half the story, what's the point of having a jury anyway?
I am fundamentally against the death penalty, but I can understand why some people are for it. But how someone can be in favour of the death penalty when the justice system is that flawed, is just beyond me. Thinking about all the poeple who die, because prosecuters find conviction rates more important than actual justice, and also the people put at risk, because by convicting someone innocent, the person who actually was guilty of the crime is still free, thinking about that just sickens me.
Ich bin Ben. They don't both parties have to be aware of evidence and any new evidence submitted.
Srdjan Kos the idea was originally prison was suppose to be a reform and the death sentence for actions that can't be corrected like murder of course in practice e over years it is not like this.
wow, I never thought I'd see a demographic less accountable than the police, but here we are.
And here I thought that the Ace Attorney series was being over the top when it presented prosecutors as being able to cheat, lie and withhold evidence with little to no consequences
I was thinking the same thing. Holy shit.