The Classic Saga of Walt Simonson's THE MIGHTY THOR
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- On the massive and highly influential 1980s run on "The Mighty Thor" by Walt Simonson.
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Fun fact Walt and his wife were in the 1st Thor movie. They were at the feast near the end sitting next to Volgstaff.
Damn I can see why the MCU has taken a lot of influence from his run and Thor Ragnarok for sure took a lot of influence
Fun fact Thor was in Adventures in babysitting
I was unaware of that. Thank you for sharing.
@@captainjakemerica4579 they didn't. The first movie was mostly inspired by JMS's run. Loosely, of course. And Thor Ragnajoke had jack and sh1t to do with Walt's run or any other Thor run. In Walt's run Hela is Loki's daughter (well, she has always been that, but Walt put more emphasis on their familial ties), he brought Angrboda into Marvel Comics, made Hela's half-dead look from the Norse myths canon, introduced Gjöll and Móðguðr, introduced the Vigrid Battlefield, had Odin ride to battle with Einjarjar at the dawn of Ragnarok, had Thor battle Jormugandr. It was in service of the Norse myths, not a mockery of them like the MCU did
@antona.1327 Well Thor Ragnarok did definitely tip the hat to the most iconic moments in Walt Simonsons run
I swear, the way that you are able to dissect and explain how comics work makes me realize how often I take this art form for granted.
Murdock The Poochie Thank you! I think that doing videos like this has actually made me more aware and appreciative of comic books myself.
Walt's run is a sadly forgotten gem in most comic circles. You don't know how happy I was when they referenced the frog story in Thor: Ragnorok.
How is that even possible?
Ragnarok kind of ruined this run.
@@smashmaster521 Loki,of course.
Lol, what a joke. You were happy with a pointless reference to an irrelevant story but didn't care that the movie was an absolute garbage that shat all over not even just the comics, but even the previous movies.
MCU fans, how can you be this tasteless and easy to please? By Burri's bones, raise up your standards, for Aesir's sake.
@@SolarDragon007 not kind of. It did. And it wasn't even based on his run. I don't even know what Ragnajoke was based on. Certainly not the comics.
Man, that Simonson quote is exactly what Ragnarok did not due, that movie was all winks and nudges about how silly it was and how hip and funny it would be to subvert the story
Stop being so good.
Owen Likes Comics I promise the next one will suck.
In all honesty your videos are so similar in high quality that I forget you guys are two separate channels. Well keep up the good work.
His runs on Thor, FF, and Orion were epic. In my opinion, Walt was the best writer/artist to ever put pen to paper
Huge Kirby influence but his face is on my Rushmore of comics as well
2:02 - seems like the opposite of what the movies do. They were ashamed of being Thor movies and were constantly winking at the audience. Especially in the third movie.
I just finished reading Walt EPIC run on Thor. And it truly is one of the greatest runs on a character ever.
I am glad I got to enjoy the ride.
Thor, like another very mighty character, Superman, can be hit or miss depending on who writes him. But Walt Simonsons run is as epic and bombastic and yet artistically skillfull as a Led Zeppelin-album.
Defenitely one of my favourite runs on a character, and one that makes Thor one of my top 10 superheroes.
You say that like Superman is the only character in history that’s a hit or miss depending on the the writer. When we both know that any character is subject to bad writing. Not just Superman
@@CommanderShepard-wq3wo That's true. Fair criticism of my post.
If I may defend myself, however, I did formulate myself poorly, and didn't get across what I was trying to say.
My original point, which I will admit was poorly and sloppily worded, is that mighty characters like Thor and Superman generally are harder to write for. It's hard to create tension when a character is very powerful, and also make that tension believable. Since the threat has to be extraordinary since the original hero is so extra powerful, it can easily get over-done at times, or not enough at others. And since it is trickier to write, not a lot of writers are up to the task.
@@CommanderShepard-wq3wo Daredevil dont have any bad runs
If there was a band who music would fit perfectly into the world of Simonsons' Thor, it would be Amon Amarth, not Led Zeppelin.
While I agree that Simonson's run on Thor is the best ever, Roy Thomas's storyarc that integrated the Eternals, Deviants and Celestials into the main Marvel Universe and told the story of Thor as Siegfried from Wagner's Ring Cycle was pretty good as well.
God this run is such a definite run of Thor. Beta Ray Bill and Odin's creation of Stormbreaker, Balder the Brave wandering endlessly on horrific self reflection of all the horrors seen in the realm of Hel, Fafnir, Lorelei ensnaring Thor, Malekith, the unleashing the Casket of Ancient Winters, Surtur invading New York, and his epic fight against Odin, Thor and Loki, Hela, Kurse and Skurge's last stand. Simonson threw all the best villains and did them justice in his run. I still have the trades of this run that will forever be part of my collection. Its just straight mix of zany stories, hard action, clever schemes and somber reflections and horror on behalf of various characters. Its a must read to me.
I discovered Simonson"s Thor in 1985. I was absolutely blown away!
Then I happened upon Kirby"s Thor...
I've been a fan ever since!
Simonson's run was better than Kirby's.
They even referenced the frog in the movie holy shit
Was super cool to see the original comic book versions of the characters in Thor: Ragnorok. Great video and also great choice of topic!
Cyber Shaman Thank you! Plus, bits of Simonson's run were used in the previous two Thor movies. I'm hoping to see the World Serpent on film someday!
What?? What versions?? We didn't see nothing of Walt's run in that piece of junk.
You are absolutely correct about this review.I was following and collecting Thor since the 60's and nothing blew my mind like simonson.The stories,the art, the imagination, kept me invested.Jack Kirby was truly honered here.
Where are those collectibles now?
I see a lot is inspiration taken from this run to the new Thor Ragnarok Film. It’s great to see where all these ideas came from.
Abe Nvermind Definitely a big influence! There are quite a few moments that are even exact panels from this run.
Matt Draper shame it doesn't take this story with the seriousness it is due
@@kylepietrusiewicz2749 it does actually. This run isn't nearly as serious as people seem to remember
@@popeye697 to me the movie feels more like a Thor parody movie, I don't feel the movie balanced comedy with the drama it required, I feel that the comic run managed to do that, in that yes there are many silly moments, but when serious situations happen it is treated with the seriousness and dramatic weight that it is due
MCU Thor is a goofy frat boy. 616 Thor is a regal knight who talks like Shakespeare.
Just subbed. Walt Simonson's Thor run is my favorite. I got the 2nd issue of Walt's run from a snack shop that rented their comics to diners. I wasn't a collector yet. The book was rad! I never saw Thor depicted that way before. It was like he was brought into the modern times. There wasn't a comic shop where I lived, and new ones were too expensive for a student like myself. The run was reprinted into trades later on and that's when I collected them. I eventually left for New York where I currently live. I gave my collection to a kid back home as a goodbye gift. When news came that an Omnibus was coming out, I preordered it from Barnes and Noble. I got it for $75.00 back then. I still have the book to this date. I consider it a personal treasure. One which reminds me of the times when I only dreamt of completing the entire run.
A big difference between comic book Thor and MCU Thor is that comic Thor talks in Old English but MCU Thor talks like a modern man.
Read this series when it first came out. I was hooked from beginning to end. An absolute masterpiece
Awesome video review of my favotrite Thor run.
I agree wholeheartedly with the view points of this video. Thor has never been handled as Mightily, as hitherto Walt Simonson's overseeing.
I was always a Thor fan but SIMONSON put me over the top. His art & story were the bomb. Couldn't wait for the next issue
By far the best writer Thor had ever had!
Thanks for putting this out, word needs to spread Thor is awesome.
So much fun, great video. I could not afford these books back then so i loved the way you sumed up the tales and filled us in. Seems way more entertaining than the main storyarcs of most of todays books and their current themes
I can't believe nobody ever mentions John Buscema's run on Thor, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer etc...etc...
Buscemas best stuff was his avengers stuff and his Conan stuff
@@gnarrcan108 ...I also loved his Fantastic Four.
This is my favorite Marvel superhero run ever as well as my favorite Thor run followed by Jason Aaron's run on Thor!
I bought this copy way back in my teens in that "older volumes" section of my local comic shop. Cool to see Simonson's art again. The way he draws Thor's flight mechanics with Mjolnir really made it look like the throwing of the hammer and spinning of it in place like a helicopter holds sway over his trajectory. Brilliant!
God of Thunder...and Rock 'n' Roll!!! Simonson's run is verily an all-time classic (as is Lee and Kirby's, of course!), but I would be remiss if I didn't point out a few other stellar runs on the book that tend to be overlooked, such as Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz (who had the daunting task of immediately following Simonson, and who in my view pulled it off rather nicely), or Dan Jurgens and John Romita Jr (the artwork - of which you get a brief glimpse at 1.01 in this video - just bleeds epic!). Plus, one mustn't overlook Roger Langridge's 'Thor: The Mighty Avenger' series, which is perhaps the most charming portrayal of the Thor/Jane Foster romance ever seen (Langridge's Muppet comics are also well worth checking out, by the way...!!!).
PS: Re: The Thor movies - great stuff, but needed much more of the Warriors Three, and especially the Voluminous Volstagg, yes? (Not to mention the Enchantress - not to be confused with the one from Suicide Squad, by the way - wonder who would best fit the role, eh?).
This is my favorite Thor run as well as my favorite Marvel run ever!
Awesome video thank you and I loved that you included the music
BetaRayBill isn't "ugly"... He's an alien... We're as "ugly" to him as he is to us... There is nothing special about our form ; it's a bias. His physique was there to show how much we project : "We good, them bad"... Everyone just assumed he was an evil monster despite him being one of the noblest soul in the universe. As Killowog once said : "We're all the alien of someone else."
Great video. I will buy this saga.
well, to be fair, even to Bill's own people (and himself) he was considered hideous looking. that was part of the sacrifice he made to become the character he was. also why he got the power to transform into his original form.
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"Today's leaner & faster comics"....
I would say, in many cases, today's DUMBER comics. Today's writers (again, in many cases) act like continuity doesn't belong to comics; additionally, Thor's current treatment as a laughable punching bag by lesser characters is offensively cretinous.
FEELS THIS!!!!
Your videos are incredible, I can see the passion you put in each one of them, you just gained a new fan my man
Thank you very much! The support is truly appreciated.
This run of Thor is my twin brother's favorite Marvel comic book run of Thor plus it's also his favorite Marvel comic run of all time!
Well said. These were my fav Thor comics.
Beta Ray Bill feat of Lifting Thor's hammer has been watered down so much these days(27 or 28 other characters have accomplished the feat since then).
Great video, this is my all time favorite run 💀🔥
Great video for a truly great run of comics! And also great use of that Magic Sword song - nice!!
Great video. I remember tracking down those back issues. Definitely my favorite Thor run.
Awesome video & review as ever Matt :) after watching this I'm more psyched to read this run than ever I just need to pick up volumes 3 & 5 of Walt Simonson's Thor run ASAP then I can read the story in its entirity.
Gambit896 Thank you! I think there are amazing stories in every volume so I hope you read and it soon and love it!
If only Ragnarok was like this run instead of being the marvel comedy hour featuring Chris Hemsworth doing a Thor impression, at least infinity war found a better balance for Thor's character, but it should have been that way in his own movie
Ragnarok was Simonson's run
Captain Jakemerica I should have phrased it better, I meant I wish the movie was more accurate to the comic, with beta Ray bill, frog Thor ect, not the marvel comedy hour with Chris Hemsworth doing a Thor impression
Kyle Pietrusiewicz I didn’t mind the constant comedy bits, but the things that get me is that Beta Ray Bill only gets a Mount Rushmore face (which non BRB fans would’ve gone over their heads) and Throg became a childhood prank mentioned in passing. Not the way I wanted Beta Ray Bill to be put in the movie. And now in Infinity War and Endgame, Thor gets Beta Ray Bill’s weapon, Stormbreaker, to boot.
@@kylepietrusiewicz2749 The movie didn't need Bet Ray Bill and Chris Hemsworth wasn't doing a Thor impression. The Thor movies had weak reception beforehand what Taika Waititi did was what Thor needed
Walter Simonson's Thor is the reason why I hate Ragnarok (the movie) and think that Waititi ruined Thor.
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Great Video!!!! You deserve more subs.
+Michel Cruz Thank you!
Wow this was an awesome awesome video thanx so much old sport.
And don't forget Thor's run in, a very brief one, with a man in a suit named Clark. 😉
Great video, the editing was so tight!
Aporia Thanks! Lots of time spent in good old Photoshop and Final Cut.
I've been hearing about how amazing Walt Simonson's run on Thor is, and you described it perfectly. Also, have you thought about doing a video on the New Gods?
agentofxehanort Thank you! I'd love to do a New Gods video, but I need to read more of Kirby's run. With Tom King's Mister Miracle going on right now, I may do something with that when it ends.
Might I suggest a look into the idealogical conflict of the New Gods (Kirby served in WWII and thus based Darkseid upon Adolf Hitler)
James Burgess Darkseid was also based on Richard Nixon I believe.
That battle against Fin Fang Foom was amazing and hilarious. Those splash pages blew me away.
Fantastic run, but the Lee/Kirby run- in particular #125-#139 was the best. And i love the DeFalco/Frenz run as well.
I'm crazy about your videos man.ive seen most of your videos multiple times
Dammit, man! You made me subscribe!
Greatest Thor run ever
The Surtur Saga is epic, Mjolnir' s Song is a nice conclusion but the Frog of Thunder is one of the most fun stories I have ever read plus to me it is Simonson at his best!
Beautiful. Epic.
"No nudges in the ribs or sly winks to let them know we were all in on the joke" That sums up the problem with Disney Star Wars and 90% of the Marvel movies and shows. It is all nudges and winks demeaning the decades of myth making that came before these vultures came to cash in on this juicy IP.
thank you
This is the Thor I remember. This is the Thor I wanted to see in the movies, but alas....
Walt Simonson has become aware of this video, and he liked it!
I find how rarely BRB is utilized in modern comics genuinely upsetting. Even when he does crop up it's just to act in the capacity of kooky Thor space horse that opens a gateway to cosmic adventures for our heroes and/or provides extra muscle. Periodically he gets to job in a Thor story.
Marvel has thrown so much shit at the wall that hasn't stuck, why not attempt a BRB book with a good team and a decent push? Even were they to cancel after 3 or 4 issues it'd be no different than all the aborted, recycled bullshit attempted runs, and they'd at least have given it a shot in a time when ppl are hungering for something different.
The last thing I can remember focusing on him was Godhunter. Still have to check out that Sif mini he was a part of.
Can I say its amazing you use
Artist: the midnight
Song : vampires
As your exit song. Your doing a great job I love your channel keep up the good work
Nice video Simonson’s run was and is the best on
Jason Aaron’s run has been pretty lengthy by now and I hope one day it’s as respected as Simonson’s, cuz I’m loving every moment of it.
Here we go booooooooiiii
Gosh why is Walt Simonshon's run so hard to find can't find it at my comic book store or Denver Comic Con
I was way into that run back in the day
Now THIS is Thor.
Shame what they've done to Thor these past few years.
bro check Donny Cates' run
@@swanay1 cates is doing a good job. There are points of criticism in his run. But he's doing fairly well compared to Aaron
Astonishing video.
Any plans on doing something about the Fantastic Four?
Thank you! Yes, I will definitely be doing some FF videos in the new year.
Don't you mean Mighty video?
smashmaster521 too obvious (?) xD
Classic Thor is better than modern Thor he’s more powerful more stronger and more godly than modern Thor and honestly I did not like how marvel changed Thor making him more warrior and more miserable than more godly and mighty
Gosh I've been reading this run and it truly is amazing I can see why the MCU has taken influence from these comics they are fucking incredible
No, the fat Thor is a insult.
No way Fat Thor isn't an insult to the character nor his arc a lot of the criticism on that has been way overblown
Abso-fuckin-lutly correct preach on ✊
Best comic ever
Simonsim's Thor is among t best. Tho I have also always loved Kirby's Thor.
the closing theme music to your videos is classic. please don't change it.
goddamnit this music is so fucking familiar but i physically and mentally cannot put my finger on it
The first time I read the Ballad of Beta Ray I wanted to cry at the end.
I hate how Marvel's recoloring his run.
Jacob Levin-Fay I actually like the recoloring! I own the omnibus they put out a few years ago. But I can see why people would just want the original colors, which I liked using here.
Walt has said that the original coloring job didn’t translate well to the whiter paper, so it had to be done to some degree regardless. The older version relied heavily on the ink bleeding a bit into the newsprint.
Noted...
How bout a retelling of the time Thor took off through space with the warriors three, Sif and Baldur in the space long ship.
Well dammit. Now I need to read this serious
I started buying *Thor* just after Walt Simonson's run. Something I've regretted ever since. Because of this guy, we got *Beta Ray Bill,* probably one of the most beloved Marvel characters ever.
For Asgard!!!!!!!!!!!
Lore of The Classic Saga of Walt Simonson's THE MIGHTY THOR momentum 100
what is the music playing in the beginning of the video.
magic sword = in the face of evil
Thor Ragnarok trailer song for the 2nd trailer
The Simonson Thor is the best I have every single issue.
Hulk like Thor! Hulk like Walt Simonson ! Hulk like beans best!
You had a huge error almost immediately. While Stan Lee is attributed as one of the creators of Thor, it was in reality Jack Kirby who created the character. He brought forward some Golden Age work he had done on a Thor and designed the visuals and a lot of the storytelling elements.
If Stan Lee is a credited creator and you’re not absolutely sure he had a hand in that creation, he probably didn’t.
Stan is, officially at least, credited with co-creating all the original Marvel heroes. Generally when doing any kind of documentary on these characters you kind of have to credit him as a creator.
While I kind of resent the fact that Kirby, Ditko, and Romita are not officially credited with the plotting of the books they drew I do understand that Lee wasn't just fueling his ego, he was making sure the copyright and trade mark stayed with Marvel indisputably. It's pretty well known that Kirby wrote all the books he drew, as did Ditko. Those classic Spider-Man comics that John Romita Sr. drew? Yah, he wrote those to, he even admitted in an interview that he killed Gwen Stacy.
Stan was severely overworked at this point. He was the only editor at Marvel, he also wrote the scripts for every book, handled all the administration alone. There was a time when Marvel had only one non-freelance, employee, that was Stanley Leiber. By the time Jack was attempting to get his original art back from Marvel Stan had nothing to do with the comic book company as he'd moved to Hollywood to manage Marvel Productions. Also, the company had grown from the small, penniless, shoe-string, operation Stan ran with virtually absolute authority to a corporate power with a legal department that could veto anybody actually working with the creative side of the business.
Also Marvel, most likely, couldn't even physically return the art to Jack as common practice back then was to shred the original art since it was too expensive to store it.
Dick Giordano had a similar fight at DC, though he did get slightly more support from Jeannette Khan.
@@katnerd6712 You have a good take on the issue. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
I know I'm going to sound like a bit of nerd on this, but neither Stan Lee nor Jack Kirby "created" Thor. Thor was one of the Norse gods - in fact he was THE most popular character in the Norse pantheon.
Okay, you're going to say your talking about Marvel's version. Fine. But in his book, "Origins of Marvel Comics," Stan spoke about how, after the publication of "The Fantastic Four," "The Incredible Hulk," and "The Amazing Spider-Man," he was looking for something different. He said that the only idea he liked was "Super-God," which he kept rejecting because he knew they would be offending just about every religion if it were published. But the idea wouldn't go away, and suddenly, according to Stan, he realized they couldn't do a comic book about God, but they could do one about a god. Stan said he always enjoyed stories about the Norse gods, and picked Thor because he found him the most visually exciting.
Concerning Jack's contributions, I am certain he had an equal say in Thor's creation - particularly on the visual elements, which are fantastic.
However, in the 1980s, when Jack was fighting with Marvel over ownership of his original artwork, he was quoted in an article saying he wanted exclusive creative credit from many of the books he had worked on at Marvel - including Thor. In making his argument, he cited issues of "Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen," in which Thor had been used as an important character.
Well I saw some of those issues, and I was not impressed. Basically, the character was Superman with a beard, carrying a hammer and wearing a horned helmet. In the Marvel version, one could truly believe that the stories were about the real McCoy, because Thor was depicted as being bigger than life, with all the nobility and strength of everyone's concept of a mythological character.
Also, remember that dialog is very important in a book like Thor, and it was Stan who made him and the other gods speak with the pseudo-Shakespearian phrases. Corney? Sure, but it also made Thor seem real, which was the important thing.
All right, despite my tearing into Jack a bit, I believe that equal credit should be given to him as well as Stan for Marvel's version of Thor. Separately, they could not have done the magnificent job on breathing life into a character which previously had simply been of historical importance to those interested in Norse mythology.
Will i like this if i love Millers Daredevil, Perez Wonder woman and uncanny X-men?
Damned shame they biffed the first two "Thor" movies, when they had this perfect source material handy.
I fucking worshiped Simonson's run on Thor as a kid. The only thing I liked more was the Infantino/Bates run on The Flash.
Back in the day when Thor was still awesome. He's just silly now.
What did you guys thing of the recent Thor movie?
Cultural Curfew Haven't seen it yet! Too busy making this video.
Cultural Curfew something only once happened in your life.
Oh whoa, I never realized how comic accurate the Ragnarok movie is!
Thor in frog form: Thorgger
Tho Simonson’s run is a great read start to finish, I don’t read the run as one story. Similarly, some stories a skipped in this run, for whatever reason.
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Kirby is King!
Thor was created by Kirby and Lee
I love the stories...but the art wasn't my thing...there, i said it.
Do people still like gritty comic books?
Or are out attempts to copy something on to something