I mean is there anything the left does have a good grasp on? The left is pretty much the position of ignorance and delusional "thinking", these people got stuck at where I was on an intellectual level when I was around 13 (though even at that age, I'd argue that I was still more sane and reasonable than the average leftist) and never grew out of that. Left wingers, as far as I'm concerned, have absolutely nothing of value to offer.
As Dev from ShortFatOtaku put it, fascism is just honest socialism. That is why it was able to achieve much more than communism did in the same span of time. If it wasn't for the war and the racist fascism tried in germany, I have no doubt socialists would hail it as "the socialism that works". Don't know how the forced labor aspect of both compare though.
Hayek had it backwards. Fascism likes to pretend to be fair by allowing certain industries to be in certain private hands while Communism is simply honest about the state running everything.
@@MottIrregular Actually, China has been full-on Communist since WWII. It was only when the USSR imploded that they allowed SOME private accumulation of wealth. It's a creepy mix of fascism/communism. Picking winners and losers - as long as you support the state. Everything can be taken if you speak against the state or don't DEFEND the state vigorously enough. Ask Jackie Chan - and he was born in British Hong Kong!
Fascism is the natural and necessary end-result of all leftist movements. It's socialism without the pretense of being for the people. Inevitably, they realize people won't or can't comply. They can't force bakers to sell bread for below cost. That's when the truncheons come out.
'Twas ever thus. Orwell noted in an essay in 1944 that terms like 'fascism' had become meaningless: “The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable' ".
@@fredmercury1314 its all so CIA list at its root... which is the most abhorrent thing ever foisted upon humanity. I like what CS Lewis said about being ruled by moral busybodies, which is essentially what that stuff is. I cannot post his quote because they like to hide my comments when I do, or when I don't spell words incorrectly.
What's funny is that left wingers have no idea of what the right is and what we truly believe, meanwhile we know leftists better than they know themselves as they don't seem to understand that they are the Western equivalent of Mao's Red Guards.
Not fans of populism and easy answers and hate towards people you think are stupid while you are the only smart one? You like hate towards unnamed "left", you think you're a genius by having this hate, you sure you're not populist, which is 2 steps from fascism?
You understand that your definition of fascism is from your left, SOUNDS ONLY IN THE USA AND SOME WESTERN COUNTRIES. And this definition of fascism appeared from the fact that education in the west is in very poor condition. And people without education invent their definitions of fascism. Although from boils down to capitalism + nationalism = fascism.
We had a major debate in my Econ class, and the teacher finally conceded that the only way Fascism could be right-wing is to define left-wing as "Communism" and right-wing as "Not Communism"
Even then, Nazism is actually socialism. They identified the group who held “guilt” for the oppression of the workers (Jews), ruthlessly stripped their rights and ability to own goods and property and then redistributes these confiscated assets through the state to the workers. Oh… and of course killed as many of the people they stole from as they could.
Well, these lefty loonies got a hold of all the once respected institutions for a reason. Now none of them are respectable I think, especially journalists even since the Orange Man showed up, and much earlier than that, even.
I have been looking for a good dictionary. My fear is that it's been going on since the 60s with all the Marxists we let in during WW2 getting bolder in positions at college. We have 100 years of brainwashing to fight that has an infinite war chest, psychopathy, international ties, and world domination goals
Because of WW2 it’s a historic idk if you want to call it bias but it’s based on at least facts. I’m not agreeing that in 2022 all fascism is right wing as we know antifa is a thing that exists, I think it’s worth clarifying why that is though for the sake of the algorithm and bot sentinel aka big brother
@Falk they dont reject the Marxist doctrine. Fundamentally they form an authoritarian society where the individual becomes a tool of the state to fulfill its goal, as opposed to the state being a tool to fulfill the individuals goal. They can try to argue with each other, but there on the same team arguing over the colour of a uniform.
Ironically redefining the term fascism in this way is one of the most fascist things possible. Edit: shit, didn’t know this comment would cause a comment war.
Not really, as a person who may or may not be a Third Positionist, it's diluted and desecrated our national corporatist ideals and conflated us with degenerates. I denounce Leftism in its current, globalist-enslaved form; we have NOTHING to do with those freaks.
These arse clowns can’t define something as simple as men and women how are they expected to define a complex series of economic/cultural ideas and morality?
Facissim did indeed spring from socialism. Specifically, as mentioned in a year-old video from Dev, it was the child of Syndicalism, which rejected Marx's idea of a revolution of the proletariat and saw the Dictatorship as the end rather than the means. Hence the phrase "Facissm is honest socialism": they have no delusions of a post-dictatorship world or the empowerment of anyone other than the party. This makes them less subversive (though still definitely so) than their Marxist cousins.
You might like a channel Called TIK History. I know the video by Dev that you are referencing here, I think it's a good one, but TIK was onto it much earlier and in far greater detail. On a slight side note I would like to recommend TIKs video called "Public Vs Private", it is still relevant but not specific to Fascism. I hope you do like it :)
@@iambob6590 There's a guy called Ryan Chapman who has a more concise video on the subject than TIK, but TIK's near 5 hour long video *does* smash the idea that Fascism is right-wing to pieces. Chapman doesn't put Fascism anywhere on the political spectrum in his video but he recounts the historical development of the idea accurately. Worth a look in my opinion.
Nah I'm with Connor on this one. A professor of the philosophy of language writes a book redefining fascism in an almost comically "I do thing therefor good, you do thing therefor bad" fashion. That is about the most pernicious thing I could possibly think of.
It's pretty much daycare level philosophy. The intellectual level in universities has been dropping for decades - with these scribblings as illustration.
Really the way fascism is used today is far removed from what the term actually meant in Mussolini's Italy it tends to be used these days against those that you happen to disagree with politically.
@Lisa Gentile "Oppose Communism"? ^^ It was basically supposed to be "Communism 2.0", as described by Mussolini himself in his doctrina del facismo. Because as we all know, the real thing has never been tried before......
@@arsenelupin9697 Italian fascism had variants of leftism, sure. The same cannot be said of National Socialism, which was explicitly fighting the spread of communism throughout Europe.
I once heard a leftist tell me with a straight face that Zack Snyder’s “Man of Steel” was fascist. Ever since then I find I have *very* little patience for it as a criticism.
@@jamesduncan6729 100% this. It’s genuinely mind-boggling to me that public discourse has degraded to such a degree that people will literally just slap entire political ideologies onto things like a stamp without any regard for what the word they’re using *actually means.*
Basically they see any form of patriotism or even national identity as fascist. This is ridiculous. As communists are extremely patriotic to the point of nationalism.
@@DragonZenith Couldn't agree more. It's absolutely ridiculous, and makes actual, genuine dialogue impossible. How can two people discuss anything and come to a mutual agreement when one party continues to redefine and pervert the meaning of words in order to better suit their argument? It becomes a constant game of moving the goalposts. Even if you do settle a dispute one day, the next day it may have been all for naught - all because their party decided to redefine the words they used in order to manufacture a new argument against you. It's absolutely maddening and quite obviously shows that any of their attempts at peaceful discourse are half-hearted and done in bad faith. It's a game they play solely because they have found a way to guarantee you are fighting an endless uphill battle
It seems to be common. I got marked down, very very close to failure for not being pro feminist. Not even anti-feminist. The next assessment, I literally just made up the most leftist garbage I could and randomly chose pages of the communist manifesto to cite. Best grade I got in uni. And was 100% horse shit.
I am currently dealing with a university module where every piece of critical writing presented to us is either feminist or Marxist (we've literally had the work of a man who was part of the Stalinist regime, who condemned fellow academics to hard labour and their work being repressed for being non-conformist being marked as essential and the non-binary teacher, who wanted everyone to write their names and pronouns on pieces of paper for others to see, praised the work and merely looked uncomfortable when I mentioned his personal history), where we've been told it is supposed to be a safe space, and where I feel like the only adult in the room. I thought the prior incident where we briefly uncomfortably acknowledged Heidegger's support of the Nazis whilst reading him was a sign of how bad the humanities had become, but my God, the inability for anyone to talk about or acknowledge the evil of Communism, the Romanticisation of modern political activism, and the obsession with white males and female victimhood is next level cringe.
and don't even get me started on the "queer" everything, because that is utterly ridiculous as well. Humanities at university are absolutely being used as recruitment centres by political extremists who promote and glamorise Marxism and feminism under the heading of intersectionality, and those who dare to speak out of line, such as Kathleen Stock, soon learn how utterly terrifying the postmodern fascists of the here and now actually are.
@@lollylou22 every governmental structure has a number of large negatives to them. It's ashamed they won't let you speak about theirs when I can come up with plenty bad from of my own preferred Federalist/capitalist ideals. For instance, Democracy is tyranny from below, and unfettered capitalism creates influential, usually hidden, tyrants that can persuade governments with their unnending wealth. They've done great good for the world, but they should absolutely have limitations. I could go on about what would seem to be good to help limit these, but there is no point when there is a festering corruption within our society that is so destructive. That to me, is the #1 problem in the world today, is that fiat currency is controlled and used as a means to an end goal through influence, bribery, and theft. Valueless debt notes created at will. These people own true wealth, of gold, silver, and other precious commodities. They robbed it from us long ago and now we are here living in clown world where nothing makes sense. Now they're pushing for a digital currency, which is even more valueless that you can't even touch it to burn for warmth in a winter without heating. With you being in economics, you ought to look into it and debate how fiat currency has been used to create basically all of the problems that first world countries face today. It's convinced me.
"What a waste that we lost Mussolini. He is a first-rate man who would have led our party to power in Italy" Vladimir Lenin, addressed to a delegation of Italian socialists in Moscow after Mussolini's March on Rome in 1922, as quoted in "Third World Ideology and Western Reality" (1986) by Carlos Rangel, p. 15
@@darrellshoub7527 1976 year of writing this book. The rise of propaganda against communism. How many lies do you think are attributed to Lenin and Stalin??? There are no other sources that could attest to the phrase. And to trust one source is to sign that you trust propaganda.
Essentially, since WWI, Europe had three forms of socialism trying to take control, with communism, and two forms of fascism, both Italian and German. Proto-fascism, did, in fact, spring from the socialist movement that started in France. Its roots came to Italy earl on, with their revolution. Those that claim it is tied to conservatism are either totally ignorant of history, or they're liars.
National Socialism ≠ Fascism. Germany was as right wing as it gets, unless you're defining the wings in terms of state control which is libertarian nonsense.
@@freeyourmind9997 Evil Uncle 'Dolphie literally called Capitalism "International J***ry", let alone all of the openly Socialist policies that were implemented. Oh, and let's not forget that the Nazis literally were created as a Communist party.
They make the links to authoritarianism themselves, mostly. Free speech is fundamentally NOT authoritarian in any way shape or form, yet they inexplicably somehow maybe find some connection to authoritarianism. ??? (Usually whilst engaging in a twitter pile on with the express purpose of getting someone banned lol)
I talked to a commie about fascism and indeed my response was pretty much to the whole list was : Ah so the whole of human history is fascism except for communism who also did half that stuff XD
@@DigitalApex More like total denial and he sayd its western propaganda. I responded : yeah, that's also what neo-nazi's say about the nazi's. But you are soooo different....
this is precisely what i mean by saying leftists operate in a totally different frame of reality. normal people act with the intention of demonstrating competence. that's a natural ideal. leftists do not do this, they humiliate. they act with the intention of humiliating, sometimes others, sometimes themselves. it's this humiliation that signals their allegiance to the cult.
When someone says fascist, I just think of Nazi Germany. Can't really define it, but I know it when I see it. And currently, I see leftists pushing for fascism.
The word "fascist" is derived from a bundle of sticks, bound tightly together. A symbol of the ancient Roman state, often repeated in the US and every other western country. One stick is weak. Bind us together and we're unbreakable.
Exactly, and it's true regardless of whether the sticks themselves are highly valuable, or a nuisance plant. So it's true of the finest bocote wood, but it's also true of buckthorn. edit: grammar
A fascis is not just a bundle of sticks. Its a axe inside a bundle of sticks. Symbolically it represents an individually weak group made strong by its unification while a central figure gives it direction.
Really can't understate how much I appreciate the sub-culture you guys have been quietly piecing together - through consistent, genuinely insightful, poignant and hilarious commentary on hyper-relevant issues. Hearing Connor just call out these subversives for what they are, along with Carl's legendary 'sh*tlord philosopher' attitude, everyone else too. You're having an impact and giving people an authentically positive community to engage with. Thank-you! 💜
Or failing that, do everything they can to alter history via re-writing it, tearing down monuments, and silencing opposing opinions through shame and violence. (Why does all that sound so familiar?)
"I don't believe that the Fascists are actually lying when they tell us 'we worship the State'." That's actually the definition of Fascism according to Giovanni Gentile. He described Fascism as "the sacralization of politics" in his book The Sacralization of Politics
There are a few different versions of a fascist concept, Mussolini's, Mosley's, Franco's to name a few, they all wrote about their specific view on it. National Socialism is slightly different as it has a race based eugenics side to it as well. The word fascist gets thrown around too much these days to define anything the left doesn't like.
Exactly this. Nobody really recognizes that Fascism isn't always the same and has many currents. Even Sargon in my opinion can't tell the fact that most fascists didn't really follow Gentile's vision in a textbook-way
@@KnownNiche1999 Fascism is always the same. Because all fascist movements have 2 UNCHANGEABLE FEATURES. capitalism and nationalism. and the opponents of fascism communists. internationalism and the abolition of capitalists from bans on the use of means of production in private hands. And a ban on human exploitation. These are 2 unchanged parameters by which 100% you can understand that you are going fascism.
@@zlokml779 > All fascist movements are capitalist Honestly did not read past that point. This is so incredibly wrong, it is safe to assume you have no idea what you are talking about and just not read any further. Fascism was national-syndicalist, aka trade unionist, as far removed from the idea of a free market as possible outside of a literal planned economy. Just tell me you have no idea what you are talking about
The thing about fascists, communists, and stateists as a whole is that they believe that the country or people are the state/government and so anyone who goes against them are a threat if not traitors. This is how you get a dangerous kind of nationalism that Bakunin warned about, stateist nationalism, rather than the kind of nationalism that is the love of the country (ie culture, communities, people, ect).
Gee, that sounds exactly like the current U.S. administration. If you disagree with our totalitarian policies, you are a traitor and need to be imprisoned. Of course Britain beat us to the punch. Look at what they did to Tommy Robinson.
@@TheLurker1647 I know you can find arguments like that among the libertarians like Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Eric July, Dave Smith, and Joshua Smith for sure. James Lindsey and Jordan Peterson also have made such arguments and maybe there are people of the Old Right there could be something like that but I'm not certain. Edit: words
Not all of us believe this, not even close. I am personally far-right and anti-democratic, but even I don't think the state will just magically "be good".
Remember being in hotels in Cambodia and Vietnam yonks ago and seeing signs ' no more than two people at a time and no political conversation allowed ' I had this prescient thought, it won't be long before it comes in the West
in 2006 I visited Cao Dai temple in southern Vietnam. The local people believes that photographs and video could be used in wicked ways, they demanded the rule "film the buildings and nature but NOT the people". I thought it was nice that they enforce privacy with assault weapons. I hope their culture lasted the pandemic.
Hang on.. So I might lose my wife at any given moment, and it will be signaled by a BBQ smell? Damn this is going to ruin summer evenings.. our neighbors love their outdoors grill.
I once was having a discussion about crime with someone from one of the bad areas of Chicago. He honestly believed that the rest Chicago was just as violent as his neighborhood. When I pointed out that there were not as many murders reported in the other areas of the city he honestly though the police were covering up murders that didn't occur in his neighborhood.
They only use the word fascist because they want to say nazi but they’ve clocked on to the fact that people know that’s absurd and they don’t get taken seriously. They use fascist so that they can then say ‘oh no, I’m not saying he’s hitler, I’m a much more sophisticated thinker and I’m comparing him to leaders like Mussolini and Franco’. Then you read their words and it’s so obviously just ‘well, this person drinks water...you know who else drank water??’ Also the further the target is from nazism the more qualifiers they have to use to still take themselves seriously. ‘Post fascist’, ‘fascist adjacent’. Just means their superficial comparisons to the only historical figure they know anything about are so tenuous they can’t even take themselves entirely seriously while making them
“Fascism” is what Mao coined to be a magic word. An amorphous meaningless word thats used to define the “bad guy” which is causing so much hardship. I.e., racism, sexism, capitalism, nationalism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.
10:40 It is not just nihilism it springs from, it is emotional immaturity, narcissism, the refusal to grow up. For the rules of adults are oppressive to the child: Restraint is an oppressive rule. The child wants to indulge, be a glutton, be a proud tyrant, live out all the vices. It is maturity, growth, becoming an adult, the results of restraint that allow the adherence to virtues in the first place - the child can only mimic such behaviour and be guided, just as rough and tumble play is mimikry of actual fighting. Socialism in all its forms, inevitably appeals to the immature mindset, that it promises vast riches and powers to for having to do nothing in return, it promises personal paradise, while delivering nothing but hell once it manifests. It uses the immature to scam itself and its few beneficiaries into power; hence why it promotes said immaturity now in its pre-phase, why it brings in the immigrant masses in hopes that will become voting fodder for it.
People are highly sensitive to differences between people for deep, survivalistic reasons. Generalizing everyone because of that instinct is a problem, regardless if you're positively or negatively discriminating. Running our society based on the knee-jerk reactions to things is exactly what they want to do.
If you are looking to benefit your own society and nation as a whole, generalizations are necessary. Sure, not all "X" are rapists/criminals etc, but they have a higher % of them. Thus, letting members of this group into the country will make the country worse for the people already in the country, which you are supposed to be working for. It's sad for the good members of the group, but it is a harsh reality.
Nationalism is the superiority of its nation and rights only for it. Socialism is rights for everyone. As you have 2 completely opposite thesis combined into one. And fascism is nationalism + capitalism. How you have 3 different concepts have become one. moreover, socialism has become the same as nationalism. You understand that you wrote nonsense that mussolini could not connect together. More precisely, fascism and nationalism he combined. But he could not combine socialism as it contradicted nationalism and fascism.
Part of the reason these people need to define Fascism as having a "mythic past" is because of what the opposite implies: that those who are opposed to Fascism have a non-mythical past and therefore are grounded in truth and truth alone. Carl said it best at 9:18: all of history is somewhat predicated on myth and narrative. "Propaganda" again implies that those opposed represent truth and not power-grabbing narrative. "Anti-intellectualism" is anti-truth. "Unreality" is untruth. It is all the same desire to control the truth.
""Anti-intellectualism" is anti-truth." To be fair, not always. Intellectuals have a nasty habit of eventually being co-opted., becoming lazy, or otherwise disappearing up their own rear ends (like the intellectuals who debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, or the wu-pox "intellectuals")
Fascism has a “mythic past” Says the group that waxes on about “noble savagery” and moving toward Communism is actually about returning to a more “natural state of being” which happens to follow the writings of a single Luciferian sloth.
Part of the need for a "mythic past" is to invigorate a population culturally and economically that has become lazy and degenerate to avoid relying too heavily on outside influence for cultural and economic stimulation.
The destruction of language and the meanings of words was a stroke of brilliance by the enemies of functional society, it tears down laws, traditions, and communication while shrouded in innocence and inevitability.
Yes, because communism with which fascism fought this. INTERNATIONALISM and a ban on privately owned means of production and human exploitation. It follows from this that yes fascism is nationalism that was in all fascist states and capitalism was in all of them.
@@zlokml779it’s International socialism vs nationalist socialism. In the prior the workers are the nation and therefore seeks to expand to all nations of the world whereas fascism was socialism for the Italians. That’s it.
“What future do these cities have?” “Well either stay there and suffer or move to West Virginia” No, they’re not welcome here. My state is officially closed borders for refugees from the cities.
I dont agree with either side here. Fascism doesn't come from a nihilism. It comes from a stronger sense of something greater... As opposed to communism
Have you guys read LeFebvre's "The Great Fear" about the social conditions immediately preceding the French Revolution? I've been coming around more and more to nineteenth-century historians' perspectives. Especially since when I was a history student in college, these thinkers were so thoroughly maligned. Probably means they got most things right after all.
@@Baron_Blue_Max Parkman is actually my favorite of the bunch. An obvious one would be de Tocqueville. Oddly enough, Teddy Roosevelt is pretty darn good as well.
The father of Fascism Benito Mussolini was the leader of the Italian Socialist Party before he founded the fascist movement. He was also an enthusiastic Union rabble rouser. He merged Leftist politics with patriotism. His regime was very different to the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany. Interestingly in Germany, you had to have party members embedded in companies - basically business operated at the consent of the Party. Hardly a Right wing “free market” thing. Also modern Leftists love to use the “Nazis abolished Unions” as proof they were right wing. Trouble is they forget to mention the Germans created a single “super” Union of all workers. It may have been linked to the Party but how many Unions are there in the U/k today not linked to the Labour Party? Nor do they mention the financially crippling worker benefits system they created which some historians believe was so vast it brought the regime to brink of bankruptcy creating the need for expansionism and eventually war. Leftists. Never letting the facts get in the way of their pathological ideology.
It should be noted that there’s a distinction between fascism and nazism that is often ignored. Historically, the fascists called themselves only fascists (bar one Italian who called himself both a fascist and a Nazi but this guy was crazy) and the Nazis only called themselves Nazis. Goebbels himself said something along the lines of “fascists are weak in their belief, the Nazi ideology on the other hand permeates the man and becomes his very soul.” Even on the allied side we made the distinction for a while. The Soviets were the one to not make the distinction as a political choice because they wanted to separate communism from both.
"Stanley describes his Jewish background as informing his writing on fascism: "To me, my Judaism means an obligation to pay attention to equality and the rights of minority groups."" Every single time :) .
I’ve followed conservative media for a decade and I’ve never heard one push for fascism. The left can’t seem to shut up about it. Geez just get married already.
Praxis… my Wife is a teacher and she had to pass “praxis” exams. I bet there’s a connection to communism subverting the education system to implementing this type of exam.
West Virginian here, the immigration from from democratic areas has increased in the last 10 years. Our population has increased by 2 million in that time while also our youth was moving to Democrat cities due to lack of modernization. Most of the youth return though because their conservative upbringing makes them realize what shitholes democratic cities are.
I see fascism more as a technical term, and I'm pretty sure Mussolini did too. The state coopts capitalism (businesses and corporations) to help achieve its aims. It's a system rather than an ideology. I don't really recognise the whole 'nationalist' trope, as communist countries are just as nationalist as fascist ones. In that way it makes sense that Mussolini would found a 'fascist movement' to oppose socialism. i.e. you want the state and business cooperating to keep socialism at bay. It also means that, somewhat ironically, the fascists won WW2 anyway. We already live in a fascist system, and we can really see that now we live in a world of corporate lobbying and government regulation. The leftists spend their entire lives totally misinterpreting fascism, and in doing so they end up legitimising and propping it up. They agitate for the marriage of corporate and state power (big tech's enacting of state censorship, for e.g.) whilst seeing N a Z i s everywhere. They're the bloody Nazis.
Mussolini wasn't opposing socialism at all. He was a socialist. He viewed fascism as "the end state of socialist ideology", and he was actually correct on that one. He actually formed the fascist party because he thought the other socialists in Italy weren't socialist ENOUGH.
@@ChrisWilliams-lf8ex Ok then, he was opposing traditional or weakass ;) socialism by creating his own oppositional force, or 'purer' socialism. ATEOTD it's just semantics. The best form of opposition is subsumation. Said like a good little Commie lol
@@ChrisWilliams-lf8ex Basically, fascism for me is a technical offshoot of collectivism. Collectivism is the ideology, but whether we CALL a system Communist/socialism or Fascist really doesn't matter, as in practice (ideologically) they're one and the same. The only differences are technical and centred around how one runs the economy to maximise state power (fascism utilises capitalism, socialism erodes capitalism in favour of nationalised industry). Where the leftists fail is thinking that they're ideologically opposed to one another.
I heard fascism explained once as the slider going all the way up the y axis on the political compass map, right along the line. Neither left nor right, there is just state authority and nothing else.
The collectivist nature of fascism is right there in the name. it's based on the idea that a bundle of sticks (fasces in latin) is stronger than a single stick.
You guys are really making a strong case for Fascism. If you take out the parts where you say "But it's totally bad for reasons I wont go into" this sounds like a sales pitch.
Fascism being State absolutism, all things in the State, nothing out, I find it hard to see what you find is a strong case. If you mean the fascism strawman the left always totes (ie. The 14 points) to smear anybody to the right of Lenin, sure, to an extent, I agree with you.
From wikipedia: Stanley describes his Jewish background as informing his writing on fascism: "To me, my Judaism means an obligation to pay attention to equality and the rights of minority groups."
Nowadays Dev is more about taking the piss on anyone slightly right of centrism. Just look at his thumbnail on his video about "the three forms of fascism" with pics of Small Moustache, Mussolini and some lad in a MAGA hat (I'm positive it's the Covington kid). Ath this point he isn't subtle about it anymore.
@@f145hr3831jr He claims to be a centrist and not have moved, even though he accepts more and more left-wing points and condemns more and more "right-wing" points...which were centrist points not even a decade ago. That, and he's also in favour of mutilating children mermaids-style.
I'd like to focus on #10 - "Arbeit Mach Frei", famous for being over the gates of the Auschwitz concentration camp. What does it mean? Translated to English, it's "Work makes free" or "Work sets you free" or some variation thereof. What does it mean though? It's Marxist, essentially. Man is a creative being who does creative work. However, if you sell your labor you are no longer doing your own creative work - you're doing someone else's creative work, which in turn makes the laborer "alienated" from his true self as a "creative being". This is a brutal sin at the heart of Marxism and they call it oppression. If humans are "creative beings" then selling your labor and doing someone else's creative work, Marxists call this "dehumanizing". It's why your Starbucks barista says his work is oppressive and dehumanizing. Work - "creative work" - is liberatory in the Marxist theology. The first few chapters of Mein Kampf are basically Hitler angrily discussing what it's like to argue with a Marxist until he says they drove him over the edge, then a few paragraphs later it takes a dark turn as he says he realizes they're all Jews. "Work makes free" is what the Communist hammer and sickle mean: free creative work sets you free. Hitler putting that over the arches of the concentration camp is twisted metaphysical way of humiliating the people he condemned to death in the camps. Ironically, being a Socialist, Hitler held a similar belief: it wasn't "creative work" that "set the individual free", but work for Volk that was socialized into man through the Volkisch State: you did your duty by doing only what was beneficial to the "National Community", who's mouthpiece was the Fuhrer.
The Marxist analogue is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution" - Only if you are a good little comrade and work in the service of the collective will you receive your daily bread: Those who do not work will be punished, imprisoned, or eliminated as an enemy of The People, so you will work or you will not be free.
Leftist brand Conservatives as Fascist with zero understanding. I pointed out to one socialist on You Tube comments that Hitler’s fascist political party were in fact socialists…it is in the full German word that Nazi is derived from. He had a meltdown over it😂
Fascism: The Career of a Concept by Paul Gottfried is actually worth a read if you want a decent account of the concept, its formation and its history. Also, Gottfried doesn't write like an ideologically possessed weirdo, which helps.
I still remember how the ridiculous media proclaimed that President Trump was a fascist. Why? I kid you not ("no joke", lol), because President Trump once gave a speech from a balcony and actual fascist Mussolini gave speeches from balconies.
You understand that your definition of "left" is only in the Western world. And it is not the definition of the left movement for the whole world. You have the left protecting anyone and anything other than protecting workers. You understand that the propaganda of capitalism has already perverted the concept of the left movement. That Western ordinary people no longer know the definition of the left movement.
The biggest issue I see is the official definition in dictionary that make fascism as some sort of exclusive to Right Wing, rather than a set of trait and behaviours. A better way of looking at facism is a horseshoe. At the bottom is people in the middle (centrists) of the political spectrum. However as you go up the horseshoe, traits gets more and more opposing and different. Then you got higher up the horseshoe and things start getting closer and closer to similar traits. Take Far Right or Far Left to their extreme levels and you will see extreme levels of authoritarianism. The exception are anarchists.
YOU are delusional. Because the right-wing ideology is "I as a person have a right" and most (the crowd) can't tell me what to do. Left-wing ideology society (majority) has the right to indicate what to do to a minority. It turns out the same for you when a small group imposes its laws on the majority through the state apparatus. and a democratic majority that by a majority affirms how to live society.
Translation: "Fascism works by opposing my far left agenda in any way whatsoever!" - Jason Stanley The worst part is, this shit-rag of a book is going to cited as an authoritative source on subject.
So defending the legacy of my people that's been passed down for many thousands of years is fascism now? When they brag about the 'long march through the institutions' it's perfectly fine, but if we point that out it's fascism? Last I checked minorities were supposed to integrate, not become the new aristocracy and effectively colonize other countries, aren't these the same people who keep moaning about past colonization? Cities have non-leftists too LOL, I've been living in the city for my entire life, what is this nonsense?
"we come from the rural heartland, the backbone of the nation; they live in cities". Very astute, more astute than I suspect than even the author realizes. Politics is an illusion, whats really going on with humanity is the eventual process of speciation. Some humans transitioning from a tribal or pack animal to a hive animal. As always it will end with a fight for dominance, land and resources. Its been happening for tens of thousands of years and it may take the same again but eventually it will happen. We have already identified a set of genes that determine our stress levels when living in close proximity to others and how those genes differ between rural and urban populations.
People who are ingrained into urban city life simply don’t understand how suffocating it is, and how it affects your mentality. I’ve always lived in both; a huge city with “normal” suburbs, and I utterly despise both the city itself and the attitudes within it. This was long before the political mania, in fact it’s a known phenomenon that has existed since cities were created. “Sane libs” would’ve admitted the same, just like on so many issues, just a mere 20 yrs ago max.
Hitler was an anarchist. Of course he was opposed to communists, because communists weren't left-wing like liberals, social democrats/democratic socialists and anarchists, whom he was wholly friendly with.
Well, he does wear the well trimmed beard of villainy. Could be worse. Could be the goatee of pure evil. I personally have the Grande Moustache of the Comedic Hero or the Moustache twirling villain.
That is actually how the ridiculous form of modern, twisted, nonsensical "political spectrum" is formed: Anything that opposes the dominant form of socialism is "right wing", and the more they hate/fear a thing or person, the more "far right" they are branded. The actual spectrum is totalitarianism to anarchism.
national versus international socialism ...that is the real issue...fascism versus communism....socialism is at the core, the difference is the unit to which one is loyal - state power (often ethnic defined state) or global power
The first mistake people make when studying fascism from an outsider's perspective is thinking that fascism is a monolithic ideology. It's not. Just as there are many forms of conservatism and many variants of socialism, there are different styles of fascism. The British Union of Fascists, the Italian Grand Council of Fascism, the Romanian Iron Guard, and the Hungarian Arrow Cross had similar but distinct styles of fascism. Then there are the quasi-fascist organizations, like the Spanish Falange and the Walloon Rexist Party, that resemble fascism but are actually not doctrinally fascist. One of the best authors to read to understand more about fascism is A. James Gregor, specifically his monograph _The Faces of Janus: Marxism and Fascism in the Twentieth Century._ Gregor is one of the few authors who exposes the shared origins of fascism, socialism, and totalitarianism. He explains how classical fascism, in particular, is an outgrowth of revolutionary socialism.
oh, thank you for this episode! thank you so much! especially for the well deserved treatment you gave to this stupid Eco’s 14 signs chart: I stopped counting those who shove it to my face each time a discussion touches this topic.
Imagine my shock that people who can't define what a Woman is have even less of a grasp on what a Fascist is.
Great comment
Ha, good one, very true.
I mean is there anything the left does have a good grasp on? The left is pretty much the position of ignorance and delusional "thinking", these people got stuck at where I was on an intellectual level when I was around 13 (though even at that age, I'd argue that I was still more sane and reasonable than the average leftist) and never grew out of that.
Left wingers, as far as I'm concerned, have absolutely nothing of value to offer.
Right!!
Fascism was a middle class 'town' movement too; but I checked the author's Wikipedia page and things started to make sense.
“Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.”
-Friedrich Hayek
As Dev from ShortFatOtaku put it, fascism is just honest socialism.
That is why it was able to achieve much more than communism did in the same span of time. If it wasn't for the war and the racist fascism tried in germany, I have no doubt socialists would hail it as "the socialism that works". Don't know how the forced labor aspect of both compare though.
Hayek had it backwards. Fascism likes to pretend to be fair by allowing certain industries to be in certain private hands while Communism is simply honest about the state running everything.
Funny how more don't realize that China has headed down that route.
@@MottIrregular Actually, China has been full-on Communist since WWII. It was only when the USSR imploded that they allowed SOME private accumulation of wealth. It's a creepy mix of fascism/communism. Picking winners and losers - as long as you support the state. Everything can be taken if you speak against the state or don't DEFEND the state vigorously enough. Ask Jackie Chan - and he was born in British Hong Kong!
I've been saying for the past year "after the starvation period, communism becomes indistinguishable from fascism."
It's so great how in today's society the definition of "fascism" is just "stuff we don't like."
It's not at all maddening.
Then it's working as intended.
Demoralization at its finest.
Fascism is the natural and necessary end-result of all leftist movements. It's socialism without the pretense of being for the people. Inevitably, they realize people won't or can't comply. They can't force bakers to sell bread for below cost. That's when the truncheons come out.
'Twas ever thus. Orwell noted in an essay in 1944 that terms like 'fascism' had become meaningless:
“The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable' ".
It's just part of their 'magic words' that help them cope with things that they dont understand.
The word racist has been all used up.
"This is fascism" can be interpreted as "I don't like this, so I will liken it to the worst things we know of. Same goes for calling people a Not See.
100% correct.
If only they realised that the worst thing we know of is communism.
@@fredmercury1314 its all so CIA list at its root... which is the most abhorrent thing ever foisted upon humanity. I like what CS Lewis said about being ruled by moral busybodies, which is essentially what that stuff is. I cannot post his quote because they like to hide my comments when I do, or when I don't spell words incorrectly.
Ironically, the worst thing we known of (if we view history *objectively* ) is *fucking Marxism* 🤬
And in the same breath they deny the genocides of communism.
We asked a leftist what's fascism. The suprising conclusion was "everything I think my opposition is".
What's funny is that left wingers have no idea of what the right is and what we truly believe, meanwhile we know leftists better than they know themselves as they don't seem to understand that they are the Western equivalent of Mao's Red Guards.
Not fans of populism and easy answers and hate towards people you think are stupid while you are the only smart one?
You like hate towards unnamed "left", you think you're a genius by having this hate, you sure you're not populist, which is 2 steps from fascism?
You understand that your definition of fascism is from your left, SOUNDS ONLY IN THE USA AND SOME WESTERN COUNTRIES. And this definition of fascism appeared from the fact that education in the west is in very poor condition. And people without education invent their definitions of fascism. Although from boils down to capitalism + nationalism = fascism.
We had a major debate in my Econ class, and the teacher finally conceded that the only way Fascism could be right-wing is to define left-wing as "Communism" and right-wing as "Not Communism"
A little scary that your Economics teacher was the problem in this situation.
Even then, Nazism is actually socialism. They identified the group who held “guilt” for the oppression of the workers (Jews), ruthlessly stripped their rights and ability to own goods and property and then redistributes these confiscated assets through the state to the workers.
Oh… and of course killed as many of the people they stole from as they could.
Yep, it's almost like left-wing and right-wing are nonsense terms the self-described leftists made up to villify their opposition.
But that's a true statement. From the leftist perspective anything that isn't communism is fascism.
If you take the best of hitler and the best of stalin, you find jefferson.
Makes perfect sense.
"I dont want hierarchy" says a tenured professor.
Yeah, Right.
A huge problem is both Oxford & Webster's dictionaries have right-wing under fascism. I have a hard time thinking this isn't on purpose.
Well, these lefty loonies got a hold of all the once respected institutions for a reason. Now none of them are respectable I think, especially journalists even since the Orange Man showed up, and much earlier than that, even.
Dictionaries are written by academics ATEOTD.
It was on purpose.
I have been looking for a good dictionary. My fear is that it's been going on since the 60s with all the Marxists we let in during WW2 getting bolder in positions at college. We have 100 years of brainwashing to fight that has an infinite war chest, psychopathy, international ties, and world domination goals
Because of WW2 it’s a historic idk if you want to call it bias but it’s based on at least facts.
I’m not agreeing that in 2022 all fascism is right wing as we know antifa is a thing that exists, I think it’s worth clarifying why that is though for the sake of the algorithm and bot sentinel aka big brother
My favorite part of Rings of Power is when Galadriel says: _"Sometimes to become anti facist, you must first become fascist."_
Lol
don't watch it!
wait, seriously? They wrote that into that show? I won't watch it regardless, but really?
It's fascism time
And then she just Fasced all over the place
To quote Benito Musolini "Fascism is the purest form of socialism."
Socialist: nooo, we're totally different because.......well, just trust us.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I love your handle and pfp!
(I'm a woman who loves guns, so that made me happy.)
@Falk even taking you at your word, spaghetti fascism came after marx so its a moot point.
@@zxyatiywariii8 glad to hear. We certainly need more of you around :D
@Falk they dont reject the Marxist doctrine. Fundamentally they form an authoritarian society where the individual becomes a tool of the state to fulfill its goal, as opposed to the state being a tool to fulfill the individuals goal. They can try to argue with each other, but there on the same team arguing over the colour of a uniform.
That based British guy calling Trudeu a fascist to his face should set the baseline standard for us all
Trudeau is a big admirer of Communist China. He envies the control they have over their people.
I don't mince words. I've told multiple hardline liberals they're fascists.
Ooop! You hit the censorship nerve
He was an idiot , we don't think of Trudeau as camerata , nonsense!
The base line standard in my opinion should be slinging lead between the eyes of every Socialist, regardless of which specific ideology they follow.
Ironically redefining the term fascism in this way is one of the most fascist things possible.
Edit: shit, didn’t know this comment would cause a comment war.
Not really, as a person who may or may not be a Third Positionist, it's diluted and desecrated our national corporatist ideals and conflated us with degenerates. I denounce Leftism in its current, globalist-enslaved form; we have NOTHING to do with those freaks.
These arse clowns can’t define something as simple as men and women how are they expected to define a complex series of economic/cultural ideas and morality?
@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 Not sure Goebbels would agree.
@Lars Liam Vilhelm
@@hayleylongster4698 Almost as if the two philosophies aren't appreciably different.
Every time i read one of these lists I'm like "...this is describing the American Democrats really well"
Seriously. It's so infuriating seeing them make such ridiculous claims.
Psychologists call that " projection", if I remember rightly. 😁👍
Facissim did indeed spring from socialism. Specifically, as mentioned in a year-old video from Dev, it was the child of Syndicalism, which rejected Marx's idea of a revolution of the proletariat and saw the Dictatorship as the end rather than the means. Hence the phrase "Facissm is honest socialism": they have no delusions of a post-dictatorship world or the empowerment of anyone other than the party. This makes them less subversive (though still definitely so) than their Marxist cousins.
You might like a channel
Called TIK History.
I know the video by Dev that you are referencing here, I think it's a good one, but TIK was onto it much earlier and in far greater detail.
On a slight side note I would like to recommend TIKs video called "Public Vs Private", it is still relevant but not specific to Fascism.
I hope you do like it :)
@@iambob6590 There's a guy called Ryan Chapman who has a more concise video on the subject than TIK, but TIK's near 5 hour long video *does* smash the idea that Fascism is right-wing to pieces.
Chapman doesn't put Fascism anywhere on the political spectrum in his video but he recounts the historical development of the idea accurately. Worth a look in my opinion.
They also believe they could achieve class consciousness through the dictator and the state.
@@Si_Mondo Fascism is not really coherent if you follow its evolution. It takes socialism combines it with nationalism and corporatism.
Dev would be able to explain it well, living in a socialist country that is currently side stepping into fascism.
Fun part is that all of those "checklists of fascism" can be applied to multiple other systems, but no list considers things unique to fascist states.
"I did get marked down for 'antifeminist sentiment once. Direct quote"
B A S E D
Nah I'm with Connor on this one.
A professor of the philosophy of language writes a book redefining fascism in an almost comically "I do thing therefor good, you do thing therefor bad" fashion.
That is about the most pernicious thing I could possibly think of.
His fifth point is literally doing the thing he claims is fascist
It's pretty much daycare level philosophy.
The intellectual level in universities has been dropping for decades - with these scribblings as illustration.
Really the way fascism is used today is far removed from what the term actually meant in Mussolini's Italy it tends to be used these days against those that you happen to disagree with politically.
Well if they used the term how Musolini and the Austrian Artist meant it they could demonize it and still push for socialist policies now could they?
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@Lisa Gentile "Oppose Communism"? ^^
It was basically supposed to be "Communism 2.0", as described by Mussolini himself in his doctrina del facismo.
Because as we all know, the real thing has never been tried before......
@@arsenelupin9697 Italian fascism had variants of leftism, sure. The same cannot be said of National Socialism, which was explicitly fighting the spread of communism throughout Europe.
Just like nazi, these terms are just a replacement for the term "I dont like your opinion"
I once heard a leftist tell me with a straight face that Zack Snyder’s “Man of Steel” was fascist. Ever since then I find I have *very* little patience for it as a criticism.
It's honestly shocking the way people have completely lost the ability to properly use words according to their definitions...
@@jamesduncan6729 100% this. It’s genuinely mind-boggling to me that public discourse has degraded to such a degree that people will literally just slap entire political ideologies onto things like a stamp without any regard for what the word they’re using *actually means.*
Basically they see any form of patriotism or even national identity as fascist.
This is ridiculous. As communists are extremely patriotic to the point of nationalism.
@Falk Have you forgotten about "internalized X"?
The left has a neat label for every dissenter ^^
@@DragonZenith Couldn't agree more. It's absolutely ridiculous, and makes actual, genuine dialogue impossible. How can two people discuss anything and come to a mutual agreement when one party continues to redefine and pervert the meaning of words in order to better suit their argument? It becomes a constant game of moving the goalposts. Even if you do settle a dispute one day, the next day it may have been all for naught - all because their party decided to redefine the words they used in order to manufacture a new argument against you. It's absolutely maddening and quite obviously shows that any of their attempts at peaceful discourse are half-hearted and done in bad faith. It's a game they play solely because they have found a way to guarantee you are fighting an endless uphill battle
"I did get marked down for anti-feminist sentiment."
Holy shit, Connor. That's horrific
It seems to be common.
I got marked down, very very close to failure for not being pro feminist. Not even anti-feminist.
The next assessment, I literally just made up the most leftist garbage I could and randomly chose pages of the communist manifesto to cite.
Best grade I got in uni.
And was 100% horse shit.
I am currently dealing with a university module where every piece of critical writing presented to us is either feminist or Marxist (we've literally had the work of a man who was part of the Stalinist regime, who condemned fellow academics to hard labour and their work being repressed for being non-conformist being marked as essential and the non-binary teacher, who wanted everyone to write their names and pronouns on pieces of paper for others to see, praised the work and merely looked uncomfortable when I mentioned his personal history), where we've been told it is supposed to be a safe space, and where I feel like the only adult in the room.
I thought the prior incident where we briefly uncomfortably acknowledged Heidegger's support of the Nazis whilst reading him was a sign of how bad the humanities had become, but my God, the inability for anyone to talk about or acknowledge the evil of Communism, the Romanticisation of modern political activism, and the obsession with white males and female victimhood is next level cringe.
and don't even get me started on the "queer" everything, because that is utterly ridiculous as well. Humanities at university are absolutely being used as recruitment centres by political extremists who promote and glamorise Marxism and feminism under the heading of intersectionality, and those who dare to speak out of line, such as Kathleen Stock, soon learn how utterly terrifying the postmodern fascists of the here and now actually are.
Carl sure knows how to pick them.
@@lollylou22 every governmental structure has a number of large negatives to them. It's ashamed they won't let you speak about theirs when I can come up with plenty bad from of my own preferred Federalist/capitalist ideals.
For instance, Democracy is tyranny from below, and unfettered capitalism creates influential, usually hidden, tyrants that can persuade governments with their unnending wealth. They've done great good for the world, but they should absolutely have limitations. I could go on about what would seem to be good to help limit these, but there is no point when there is a festering corruption within our society that is so destructive.
That to me, is the #1 problem in the world today, is that fiat currency is controlled and used as a means to an end goal through influence, bribery, and theft. Valueless debt notes created at will. These people own true wealth, of gold, silver, and other precious commodities. They robbed it from us long ago and now we are here living in clown world where nothing makes sense. Now they're pushing for a digital currency, which is even more valueless that you can't even touch it to burn for warmth in a winter without heating. With you being in economics, you ought to look into it and debate how fiat currency has been used to create basically all of the problems that first world countries face today. It's convinced me.
"What a waste that we lost Mussolini. He is a first-rate man who would have led our party to power in Italy"
Vladimir Lenin, addressed to a delegation of Italian socialists in Moscow after Mussolini's March on Rome in 1922, as quoted in "Third World Ideology and Western Reality" (1986) by Carlos Rangel, p. 15
,but he may have been duplicitous/insincere in his statements ?
@@darrellshoub7527 1976 year of writing this book. The rise of propaganda against communism. How many lies do you think are attributed to Lenin and Stalin??? There are no other sources that could attest to the phrase. And to trust one source is to sign that you trust propaganda.
Essentially, since WWI, Europe had three forms of socialism trying to take control, with communism, and two forms of fascism, both Italian and German. Proto-fascism, did, in fact, spring from the socialist movement that started in France. Its roots came to Italy earl on, with their revolution.
Those that claim it is tied to conservatism are either totally ignorant of history, or they're liars.
National Socialism ≠ Fascism. Germany was as right wing as it gets, unless you're defining the wings in terms of state control which is libertarian nonsense.
Bingo.
@@freeyourmind9997 Evil Uncle 'Dolphie literally called Capitalism "International J***ry", let alone all of the openly Socialist policies that were implemented.
Oh, and let's not forget that the Nazis literally were created as a Communist party.
Basically every single one of these offshoots had resorted to the classic "real communism has never been tried before" tactic ^^
@@freeyourmind9997 "SOCIALISM"
Ah yes, how very right-wing.......
"Fascism: anything I don't like on the Right that I can vaguely link to authoritarianism"
- Self-styled "Smart" People.
They make the links to authoritarianism themselves, mostly.
Free speech is fundamentally NOT authoritarian in any way shape or form, yet they inexplicably somehow maybe find some connection to authoritarianism. ??? (Usually whilst engaging in a twitter pile on with the express purpose of getting someone banned lol)
They've finally figured out that "everything I don't like is literally Hitler" is incredibly stupid, but they've yet to figure out why.
I talked to a commie about fascism and indeed my response was pretty much to the whole list was : Ah so the whole of human history is fascism except for communism who also did half that stuff XD
Then I'm sure their eyes glazed over and they just gave you the NPC stare like a cow that got a bolt to the forehead.
@@DigitalApex More like total denial and he sayd its western propaganda. I responded : yeah, that's also what neo-nazi's say about the nazi's. But you are soooo different....
I have yet to meet someone who used "fascist" as an ad hominem and could define the word in any workable way.
this is precisely what i mean by saying leftists operate in a totally different frame of reality. normal people act with the intention of demonstrating competence. that's a natural ideal. leftists do not do this, they humiliate. they act with the intention of humiliating, sometimes others, sometimes themselves. it's this humiliation that signals their allegiance to the cult.
The problem here is that most people are Sentient, but not Sapient.
@@no_activity 🎯
Someone who could define it wouldn't waste it on you.
When someone says fascist, I just think of Nazi Germany. Can't really define it, but I know it when I see it. And currently, I see leftists pushing for fascism.
Actual fascists: This is what we beli-
Jason Stanley: LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK "FASCISM" MEANS!
The word "fascist" is derived from a bundle of sticks, bound tightly together.
A symbol of the ancient Roman state, often repeated in the US and every other western country.
One stick is weak. Bind us together and we're unbreakable.
Finally, someone who GETS IT!
@Paul Revere 1776 Leftie fascists are faeces.
Exactly, and it's true regardless of whether the sticks themselves are highly valuable, or a nuisance plant.
So it's true of the finest bocote wood, but it's also true of buckthorn.
edit: grammar
@Paul Revere 1776 Big bundles of fasces were used by tanks in both world wars, for filling-in trenches.
A fascis is not just a bundle of sticks. Its a axe inside a bundle of sticks.
Symbolically it represents an individually weak group made strong by its unification while a central figure gives it direction.
Really can't understate how much I appreciate the sub-culture you guys have been quietly piecing together - through consistent, genuinely insightful, poignant and hilarious commentary on hyper-relevant issues. Hearing Connor just call out these subversives for what they are, along with Carl's legendary 'sh*tlord philosopher' attitude, everyone else too. You're having an impact and giving people an authentically positive community to engage with. Thank-you! 💜
Ive seen it somewhere else so not mine - "Its always easy for them to be on the right side of history when they change their stance 100 times a day".
Or failing that, do everything they can to alter history via re-writing it, tearing down monuments, and silencing opposing opinions through shame and violence. (Why does all that sound so familiar?)
"I don't believe that the Fascists are actually lying when they tell us 'we worship the State'."
That's actually the definition of Fascism according to Giovanni Gentile. He described Fascism as "the sacralization of politics" in his book The Sacralization of Politics
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan - “If Fascism comes to the West, it’ll do so in the form of Liberalism”
The more i read his quotes the more i realise he was very wise
He sounds like Malcolm X lol
Churchill is widely cited as saying similar.. “The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.”
There are a few different versions of a fascist concept, Mussolini's, Mosley's, Franco's to name a few, they all wrote about their specific view on it. National Socialism is slightly different as it has a race based eugenics side to it as well. The word fascist gets thrown around too much these days to define anything the left doesn't like.
Exactly this.
Nobody really recognizes that Fascism isn't always the same and has many currents.
Even Sargon in my opinion can't tell the fact that most fascists didn't really follow Gentile's vision in a textbook-way
@@KnownNiche1999 Fascism is always the same. Because all fascist movements have 2 UNCHANGEABLE FEATURES. capitalism and nationalism. and the opponents of fascism communists. internationalism and the abolition of capitalists from bans on the use of means of production in private hands. And a ban on human exploitation. These are 2 unchanged parameters by which 100% you can understand that you are going fascism.
@@zlokml779
> All fascist movements are capitalist
Honestly did not read past that point.
This is so incredibly wrong, it is safe to assume you have no idea what you are talking about and just not read any further.
Fascism was national-syndicalist, aka trade unionist, as far removed from the idea of a free market as possible outside of a literal planned economy.
Just tell me you have no idea what you are talking about
It all goes back to Alinsky's most important "rule for radicals" i.e. *accuse your opponent of what you yourself are guilty of*
What James Lindsay would say: "Projection is one of the iron laws of woke."
It isn't US vs Them
It is US vs They/Them
Zim/Zer
The thing about fascists, communists, and stateists as a whole is that they believe that the country or people are the state/government and so anyone who goes against them are a threat if not traitors.
This is how you get a dangerous kind of nationalism that Bakunin warned about, stateist nationalism, rather than the kind of nationalism that is the love of the country (ie culture, communities, people, ect).
Gee, that sounds exactly like the current U.S. administration.
If you disagree with our totalitarian policies, you are a traitor and need to be imprisoned.
Of course Britain beat us to the punch.
Look at what they did to Tommy Robinson.
That's called patriotism tbh.
What we need more of are the right-wing, traditionalist, anti-centralization, particularist criticisms of fascism.
@@TheLurker1647 I know you can find arguments like that among the libertarians like Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Eric July, Dave Smith, and Joshua Smith for sure. James Lindsey and Jordan Peterson also have made such arguments and maybe there are people of the Old Right there could be something like that but I'm not certain.
Edit: words
Not all of us believe this, not even close.
I am personally far-right and anti-democratic, but even I don't think the state will just magically "be good".
How leftists explain fascism:
"Look at what we do and imagine the "wrong people" doing exactly the same!"
Remember being in hotels in Cambodia and Vietnam yonks ago and seeing signs ' no more than two people at a time and no political conversation allowed ' I had this prescient thought, it won't be long before it comes in the West
in 2006 I visited Cao Dai temple in southern Vietnam. The local people believes that photographs and video could be used in wicked ways, they demanded the rule "film the buildings and nature but NOT the people". I thought it was nice that they enforce privacy with assault weapons. I hope their culture lasted the pandemic.
@@tinfoilhomer909 I've got loads of film from there some where on my many discs but from an earlier time. It's one weird place
It's a holiday in Cambodia!
@@frankvonfrauner Yeah a day at s21 toul sleng and the killing fields will wipe the smile off any face
Connor has been a fantastic add to Lotus Eaters! He always has me laughing, and his wit is sharp as a knife.
That reminds me of a 4chan image "signs of autism", which include "spontaneous combustion".
Hang on..
So I might lose my wife at any given moment, and it will be signaled by a BBQ smell?
Damn this is going to ruin summer evenings.. our neighbors love their outdoors grill.
People will wilfully not understand something that can break their worldview
"Fascists wear black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests"........... Father Ted Crilley
"I hear you're a racist now, Jonathan Griffin".
😅
I once was having a discussion about crime with someone from one of the bad areas of Chicago. He honestly believed that the rest Chicago was just as violent as his neighborhood. When I pointed out that there were not as many murders reported in the other areas of the city he honestly though the police were covering up murders that didn't occur in his neighborhood.
They only use the word fascist because they want to say nazi but they’ve clocked on to the fact that people know that’s absurd and they don’t get taken seriously. They use fascist so that they can then say ‘oh no, I’m not saying he’s hitler, I’m a much more sophisticated thinker and I’m comparing him to leaders like Mussolini and Franco’. Then you read their words and it’s so obviously just ‘well, this person drinks water...you know who else drank water??’
Also the further the target is from nazism the more qualifiers they have to use to still take themselves seriously. ‘Post fascist’, ‘fascist adjacent’. Just means their superficial comparisons to the only historical figure they know anything about are so tenuous they can’t even take themselves entirely seriously while making them
If they want to compare me to Franco, I will gladly accept their compliments.
That is a very good point.
“Fascism” is what Mao coined to be a magic word. An amorphous meaningless word thats used to define the “bad guy” which is causing so much hardship. I.e., racism, sexism, capitalism, nationalism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.
You have a very poor education, because "fascism" was invented by Mussolini before the appearance long before the appearance of Mao.
@zlokml779 yes but what he’s saying is that, even decades ago, political thinkers had noticed that it had already become a meaningless buzzword.
10:40 It is not just nihilism it springs from, it is emotional immaturity, narcissism, the refusal to grow up. For the rules of adults are oppressive to the child: Restraint is an oppressive rule. The child wants to indulge, be a glutton, be a proud tyrant, live out all the vices. It is maturity, growth, becoming an adult, the results of restraint that allow the adherence to virtues in the first place - the child can only mimic such behaviour and be guided, just as rough and tumble play is mimikry of actual fighting. Socialism in all its forms, inevitably appeals to the immature mindset, that it promises vast riches and powers to for having to do nothing in return, it promises personal paradise, while delivering nothing but hell once it manifests. It uses the immature to scam itself and its few beneficiaries into power; hence why it promotes said immaturity now in its pre-phase, why it brings in the immigrant masses in hopes that will become voting fodder for it.
People are highly sensitive to differences between people for deep, survivalistic reasons. Generalizing everyone because of that instinct is a problem, regardless if you're positively or negatively discriminating. Running our society based on the knee-jerk reactions to things is exactly what they want to do.
If you are looking to benefit your own society and nation as a whole, generalizations are necessary.
Sure, not all "X" are rapists/criminals etc, but they have a higher % of them.
Thus, letting members of this group into the country will make the country worse for the people already in the country, which you are supposed to be working for.
It's sad for the good members of the group, but it is a harsh reality.
Fascism, Nationalism and Socialism joined together according to Mussolini, I'll take his word for it.
Nationalism is the superiority of its nation and rights only for it. Socialism is rights for everyone. As you have 2 completely opposite thesis combined into one. And fascism is nationalism + capitalism. How you have 3 different concepts have become one. moreover, socialism has become the same as nationalism. You understand that you wrote nonsense that mussolini could not connect together. More precisely, fascism and nationalism he combined. But he could not combine socialism as it contradicted nationalism and fascism.
Part of the reason these people need to define Fascism as having a "mythic past" is because of what the opposite implies: that those who are opposed to Fascism have a non-mythical past and therefore are grounded in truth and truth alone. Carl said it best at 9:18: all of history is somewhat predicated on myth and narrative.
"Propaganda" again implies that those opposed represent truth and not power-grabbing narrative.
"Anti-intellectualism" is anti-truth.
"Unreality" is untruth.
It is all the same desire to control the truth.
""Anti-intellectualism" is anti-truth."
To be fair, not always. Intellectuals have a nasty habit of eventually being co-opted., becoming lazy, or otherwise disappearing up their own rear ends (like the intellectuals who debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, or the wu-pox "intellectuals")
Fascism has a “mythic past”
Says the group that waxes on about “noble savagery” and moving toward Communism is actually about returning to a more “natural state of being” which happens to follow the writings of a single Luciferian sloth.
Most people I hear using the "anti-intellectualism" term against someone, are spouting the most unintellectual bollocks in the conversation. 😂
You will NEVER reach the truth!
Part of the need for a "mythic past" is to invigorate a population culturally and economically that has become lazy and degenerate to avoid relying too heavily on outside influence for cultural and economic stimulation.
Embrace the Third Position or be destroyed
The third position is fascism.
@@bcurtis363 I know
It’s not the answer bro
The destruction of language and the meanings of words was a stroke of brilliance by the enemies of functional society, it tears down laws, traditions, and communication while shrouded in innocence and inevitability.
If it happened to words like fhaggoht and ghey then why not to every other word in the English language?
My favourite thing is if you try to look up a definition of facism, they keep trying to describe it as right-wing and capitalist.
Yes, because communism with which fascism fought this. INTERNATIONALISM and a ban on privately owned means of production and human exploitation. It follows from this that yes fascism is nationalism that was in all fascist states and capitalism was in all of them.
@@zlokml779it’s International socialism vs nationalist socialism. In the prior the workers are the nation and therefore seeks to expand to all nations of the world whereas fascism was socialism for the Italians. That’s it.
“What future do these cities have?”
“Well either stay there and suffer or move to West Virginia”
No, they’re not welcome here. My state is officially closed borders for refugees from the cities.
The progressive stack is a hierarchy.
And they utilize it -- unironically.
I dont agree with either side here. Fascism doesn't come from a nihilism. It comes from a stronger sense of something greater... As opposed to communism
Good to see Carl on your show - have him often!
Have you guys read LeFebvre's "The Great Fear" about the social conditions immediately preceding the French Revolution? I've been coming around more and more to nineteenth-century historians' perspectives. Especially since when I was a history student in college, these thinkers were so thoroughly maligned. Probably means they got most things right after all.
Francis Parkman was an amazing 19th century historian. Anyone else you could recommend?
@@Baron_Blue_Max Parkman is actually my favorite of the bunch. An obvious one would be de Tocqueville. Oddly enough, Teddy Roosevelt is pretty darn good as well.
@@user-ef4gf7rr9r I'll look into Teddy. Thanks for the tip.
Fun fact: Exactly zero fascist dictators bothered defending freedom of speech, freedom of transit and due process.
To be fair, freedom of transit isn't something positive either. Keep the migrants out.
An entertaining fact, All fascist dictators were nationalists and had a capitalist economy.
The father of Fascism Benito Mussolini was the leader of the Italian Socialist Party before he founded the fascist movement. He was also an enthusiastic Union rabble rouser. He merged Leftist politics with patriotism. His regime was very different to the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany.
Interestingly in Germany, you had to have party members embedded in companies - basically business operated at the consent of the Party. Hardly a Right wing “free market” thing. Also modern Leftists love to use the “Nazis abolished Unions” as proof they were right wing. Trouble is they forget to mention the Germans created a single “super” Union of all workers. It may have been linked to the Party but how many Unions are there in the U/k today not linked to the Labour Party? Nor do they mention the financially crippling worker benefits system they created which some historians believe was so vast it brought the regime to brink of bankruptcy creating the need for expansionism and eventually war.
Leftists. Never letting the facts get in the way of their pathological ideology.
It should be noted that there’s a distinction between fascism and nazism that is often ignored. Historically, the fascists called themselves only fascists (bar one Italian who called himself both a fascist and a Nazi but this guy was crazy) and the Nazis only called themselves Nazis. Goebbels himself said something along the lines of “fascists are weak in their belief, the Nazi ideology on the other hand permeates the man and becomes his very soul.” Even on the allied side we made the distinction for a while. The Soviets were the one to not make the distinction as a political choice because they wanted to separate communism from both.
This author is so disconnected from reality that I can't help but think it's just blatant lies and propaganda. He can't be that clueless, right?
"Stanley describes his Jewish background as informing his writing on fascism: "To me, my Judaism means an obligation to pay attention to equality and the rights of minority groups.""
Every single time :)
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I’ve followed conservative media for a decade and I’ve never heard one push for fascism. The left can’t seem to shut up about it. Geez just get married already.
You have not heard because fascism is a NATIONALIST IDEOLOGY OF THE SUPERIORITY OF YOUR PEOPLE. And this is the basis of conservative ideology.
Praxis… my Wife is a teacher and she had to pass “praxis” exams. I bet there’s a connection to communism subverting the education system to implementing this type of exam.
Communism subverted a lot more than we know. What did Mccarthy, Kennedy, Nixon, and Trump have in common?
The long march through the institutions began in the 1920s & was thoroughly completed by the late 1970s.
West Virginian here, the immigration from from democratic areas has increased in the last 10 years. Our population has increased by 2 million in that time while also our youth was moving to Democrat cities due to lack of modernization. Most of the youth return though because their conservative upbringing makes them realize what shitholes democratic cities are.
I see fascism more as a technical term, and I'm pretty sure Mussolini did too. The state coopts capitalism (businesses and corporations) to help achieve its aims. It's a system rather than an ideology.
I don't really recognise the whole 'nationalist' trope, as communist countries are just as nationalist as fascist ones.
In that way it makes sense that Mussolini would found a 'fascist movement' to oppose socialism. i.e. you want the state and business cooperating to keep socialism at bay.
It also means that, somewhat ironically, the fascists won WW2 anyway. We already live in a fascist system, and we can really see that now we live in a world of corporate lobbying and government regulation.
The leftists spend their entire lives totally misinterpreting fascism, and in doing so they end up legitimising and propping it up. They agitate for the marriage of corporate and state power (big tech's enacting of state censorship, for e.g.) whilst seeing N a Z i s everywhere. They're the bloody Nazis.
It's left wing fascism that embraces LGBT, black power, and anything that harms whitey. Ill take literal Nazism over that nay day of the week.
Mussolini wasn't opposing socialism at all. He was a socialist. He viewed fascism as "the end state of socialist ideology", and he was actually correct on that one. He actually formed the fascist party because he thought the other socialists in Italy weren't socialist ENOUGH.
@@ChrisWilliams-lf8ex Ok then, he was opposing traditional or weakass ;) socialism by creating his own oppositional force, or 'purer' socialism.
ATEOTD it's just semantics.
The best form of opposition is subsumation. Said like a good little Commie lol
@@ChrisWilliams-lf8ex Basically, fascism for me is a technical offshoot of collectivism. Collectivism is the ideology, but whether we CALL a system Communist/socialism or Fascist really doesn't matter, as in practice (ideologically) they're one and the same. The only differences are technical and centred around how one runs the economy to maximise state power (fascism utilises capitalism, socialism erodes capitalism in favour of nationalised industry).
Where the leftists fail is thinking that they're ideologically opposed to one another.
It's *not* capitalism if the state have coopted it. It's socialism.
We should all focus on absolutes:
Am I a good person or am I a bad person?
Everything else is secondary.
George Orwell said that women make the best fascists.
very interesting
I heard fascism explained once as the slider going all the way up the y axis on the political compass map, right along the line. Neither left nor right, there is just state authority and nothing else.
"...there is just state authority and nothing else."
Yeah....that *is* left.
"Fascism is when... Is when me no like thing that happens and... And me no like big bad guy who says thing me no understand"
The collectivist nature of fascism is right there in the name. it's based on the idea that a bundle of sticks (fasces in latin) is stronger than a single stick.
You lie, because the basis is not international collectivism as in communism. AND NATIONALISM. As in all fascist regimes.
Communism is one form of socislism. Fascism is another form, Nazism is also another separate form of socialism.
spot on
You guys are really making a strong case for Fascism. If you take out the parts where you say "But it's totally bad for reasons I wont go into" this sounds like a sales pitch.
Fascism being State absolutism, all things in the State, nothing out, I find it hard to see what you find is a strong case.
If you mean the fascism strawman the left always totes (ie. The 14 points) to smear anybody to the right of Lenin, sure, to an extent, I agree with you.
From wikipedia: Stanley describes his Jewish background as informing his writing on fascism: "To me, my Judaism means an obligation to pay attention to equality and the rights of minority groups."
Dev said it's complicated, but the long and the short is Yes! or maybe No! Definitely one on those,
Dev, as in SFO?
Nowadays Dev is more about taking the piss on anyone slightly right of centrism. Just look at his thumbnail on his video about "the three forms of fascism" with pics of Small Moustache, Mussolini and some lad in a MAGA hat (I'm positive it's the Covington kid). Ath this point he isn't subtle about it anymore.
@@f145hr3831jr He claims to be a centrist and not have moved, even though he accepts more and more left-wing points and condemns more and more "right-wing" points...which were centrist points not even a decade ago. That, and he's also in favour of mutilating children mermaids-style.
@@f145hr3831jr nah it's nicky
Taxes are the penalty for being productive, welfare is the reward for being non-productive.
I'd like to focus on #10 - "Arbeit Mach Frei", famous for being over the gates of the Auschwitz concentration camp. What does it mean? Translated to English, it's "Work makes free" or "Work sets you free" or some variation thereof. What does it mean though?
It's Marxist, essentially. Man is a creative being who does creative work. However, if you sell your labor you are no longer doing your own creative work - you're doing someone else's creative work, which in turn makes the laborer "alienated" from his true self as a "creative being". This is a brutal sin at the heart of Marxism and they call it oppression. If humans are "creative beings" then selling your labor and doing someone else's creative work, Marxists call this "dehumanizing". It's why your Starbucks barista says his work is oppressive and dehumanizing.
Work - "creative work" - is liberatory in the Marxist theology. The first few chapters of Mein Kampf are basically Hitler angrily discussing what it's like to argue with a Marxist until he says they drove him over the edge, then a few paragraphs later it takes a dark turn as he says he realizes they're all Jews. "Work makes free" is what the Communist hammer and sickle mean: free creative work sets you free. Hitler putting that over the arches of the concentration camp is twisted metaphysical way of humiliating the people he condemned to death in the camps.
Ironically, being a Socialist, Hitler held a similar belief: it wasn't "creative work" that "set the individual free", but work for Volk that was socialized into man through the Volkisch State: you did your duty by doing only what was beneficial to the "National Community", who's mouthpiece was the Fuhrer.
The Marxist analogue is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution" - Only if you are a good little comrade and work in the service of the collective will you receive your daily bread: Those who do not work will be punished, imprisoned, or eliminated as an enemy of The People, so you will work or you will not be free.
Leftist brand Conservatives as Fascist with zero understanding. I pointed out to one socialist on You Tube comments that Hitler’s fascist political party were in fact socialists…it is in the full German word that Nazi is derived from. He had a meltdown over it😂
Fascism: The Career of a Concept by Paul Gottfried is actually worth a read if you want a decent account of the concept, its formation and its history. Also, Gottfried doesn't write like an ideologically possessed weirdo, which helps.
I still remember how the ridiculous media proclaimed that President Trump was a fascist. Why? I kid you not ("no joke", lol), because President Trump once gave a speech from a balcony and actual fascist Mussolini gave speeches from balconies.
Jane Clare Jones wiping the floor with Stanley was a personal highlight for me this year. He is absolutely insufferable.
Leftists: anything good = left wing, anything bad = right wing, even if it’s left wing
You understand that your definition of "left" is only in the Western world. And it is not the definition of the left movement for the whole world. You have the left protecting anyone and anything other than protecting workers. You understand that the propaganda of capitalism has already perverted the concept of the left movement. That Western ordinary people no longer know the definition of the left movement.
The biggest issue I see is the official definition in dictionary that make fascism as some sort of exclusive to Right Wing, rather than a set of trait and behaviours. A better way of looking at facism is a horseshoe. At the bottom is people in the middle (centrists) of the political spectrum. However as you go up the horseshoe, traits gets more and more opposing and different. Then you got higher up the horseshoe and things start getting closer and closer to similar traits. Take Far Right or Far Left to their extreme levels and you will see extreme levels of authoritarianism. The exception are anarchists.
YOU are delusional. Because the right-wing ideology is "I as a person have a right" and most (the crowd) can't tell me what to do. Left-wing ideology society (majority) has the right to indicate what to do to a minority. It turns out the same for you when a small group imposes its laws on the majority through the state apparatus. and a democratic majority that by a majority affirms how to live society.
Translation: "Fascism works by opposing my far left agenda in any way whatsoever!" - Jason Stanley
The worst part is, this shit-rag of a book is going to cited as an authoritative source on subject.
So defending the legacy of my people that's been passed down for many thousands of years is fascism now?
When they brag about the 'long march through the institutions' it's perfectly fine, but if we point that out it's fascism?
Last I checked minorities were supposed to integrate, not become the new aristocracy and effectively colonize other countries, aren't these the same people who keep moaning about past colonization?
Cities have non-leftists too LOL, I've been living in the city for my entire life, what is this nonsense?
"we come from the rural heartland, the backbone of the nation; they live in cities".
Very astute, more astute than I suspect than even the author realizes. Politics is an illusion, whats really going on with humanity is the eventual process of speciation. Some humans transitioning from a tribal or pack animal to a hive animal. As always it will end with a fight for dominance, land and resources. Its been happening for tens of thousands of years and it may take the same again but eventually it will happen. We have already identified a set of genes that determine our stress levels when living in close proximity to others and how those genes differ between rural and urban populations.
Fascism is anything I don't like
Perfect.
For me that includes Marxism.....
The Iron Law of Woke Protection never fails!
People who are ingrained into urban city life simply don’t understand how suffocating it is, and how it affects your mentality. I’ve always lived in both; a huge city with “normal” suburbs, and I utterly despise both the city itself and the attitudes within it. This was long before the political mania, in fact it’s a known phenomenon that has existed since cities were created. “Sane libs” would’ve admitted the same, just like on so many issues, just a mere 20 yrs ago max.
Cities drive human beings insane. We need a world of only hamlets.
Hitler was an anarchist. Of course he was opposed to communists, because communists weren't left-wing like liberals, social democrats/democratic socialists and anarchists, whom he was wholly friendly with.
Carl sitting on the right is giving me a panic attack lol
Well the left should know all about it
Carl sitting on the right side of the screen? Where is the damn trigger warning?! 😱
All visual media should have their heroes on the left side of the screen and the villains on the right...
Well, he does wear the well trimmed beard of villainy.
Could be worse. Could be the goatee of pure evil.
I personally have the Grande Moustache of the Comedic Hero or the Moustache twirling villain.
As far as I can tell, the current dictionary definition of fascism is: "Anything I don't like".
That is actually how the ridiculous form of modern, twisted, nonsensical "political spectrum" is formed: Anything that opposes the dominant form of socialism is "right wing", and the more they hate/fear a thing or person, the more "far right" they are branded.
The actual spectrum is totalitarianism to anarchism.
national versus international socialism
...that is the real issue...fascism versus communism....socialism is at the core, the difference is the unit to which one is loyal - state power (often ethnic defined state) or global power
The first mistake people make when studying fascism from an outsider's perspective is thinking that fascism is a monolithic ideology. It's not. Just as there are many forms of conservatism and many variants of socialism, there are different styles of fascism. The British Union of Fascists, the Italian Grand Council of Fascism, the Romanian Iron Guard, and the Hungarian Arrow Cross had similar but distinct styles of fascism. Then there are the quasi-fascist organizations, like the Spanish Falange and the Walloon Rexist Party, that resemble fascism but are actually not doctrinally fascist.
One of the best authors to read to understand more about fascism is A. James Gregor, specifically his monograph _The Faces of Janus: Marxism and Fascism in the Twentieth Century._ Gregor is one of the few authors who exposes the shared origins of fascism, socialism, and totalitarianism. He explains how classical fascism, in particular, is an outgrowth of revolutionary socialism.
Look at a picture of your Town in the 1950's then look at a picture now.
oh, thank you for this episode! thank you so much!
especially for the well deserved treatment you gave to this stupid Eco’s 14 signs chart: I stopped counting those who shove it to my face each time a discussion touches this topic.
So the meme
"everyone I don't like is Hitler, a child's guide to online political discussion"
is now actually a real book?
Children need to read too..
I go with the classic definition. State/Corporate collusion. Racial Hierarchy. Basically the platform of the Democratic Party.
I blame Rik Mayall and the young ones!
I've got a leg!
@@LunarLocust Neil, Neil, orange peel
@@Sandwich13455 what's for tea Neil?
@@cloroxusthestainlessone4324 lentils
And he's a bloody eavesdropper
"Fascism (noun) The opposition to internationalism and socialist extremism."
I guess I'm a fascist now.
Grats on the 300k sub range 👌