Wow... a whole load of subjectively- biased Keane fangitas on here.: 1) *Listen to what the new law says*. 2) Watch the African player contravene that law! 3) Watch the Argentinian capitalise upon the other player's behaviour ; ) #penalty #endof #muppetcomment
@@russellblack8694 😃😆😄😆 He had Gerrard in his pocket and Gerrard is the best Midfielder Liverpool ever had and Gerrard himself said he pick keane when asked to pick a Premier league player you never played with and he picked Keane.Keane was in the Premiership team of the season 6 times and look at the players he beat as far back as 92 when Forrest was relagated Keane got into the team of the season.Souness was a great player but there was none better than Keane in premiership history.
I have seen an attacker grabbing the defender's arm before. This case is a clear penalty from the moment the defender has put his arm around the attacker, which he has no business doing. He risked it, he payed the price. It is not even clear if the attacker is grabbing to drag or to set himself free.
If they start giving this type of 'penalty' every time there's 'holding' in the box scores will end up 3-5 with at least 5 penalties being awarded every match!
A lifelong Liverpool fan don’t make me laugh he was a legend for your club!3 European cups twice as captain probably your best captain and you back Keane 😂😂😂
They shouldn't have their arms around an opposing player in the first place. What happens after that is on them. They shouldn't put their arms on them in the first place. Its football not rugby. They can outposition them, out pace them, out manueveur them ...but grabbing, shirt pulling, holding etc. has no place in football and makes for lazy defending. I'm glad to see them penalising it.
@@usandusonly32 and that's relevant to this argument how exactly? He may have been a great player in his day but he must be going soft in his old age if he's so adamant that's a pen 😆
@@usandusonly32 Keane was a much better footballer and he’d also twat him in a fight, no problem at all. Anyone that’s done any form of amateur boxing would batter anyone that hasn’t.
This was one of the last matches Souness was a pundit on. Seems Keano forced him into retirement after this one. He was probably like, I'm too old for this shit....lol...
Like maguires one for England? As an English fan I thought now we got VAR we won’t get conned from games like we always have but even with VAR there going give nothing to England
Why do my eyes glaze over and I feel like death is fast approaching whenever I hear football commentary or pundits talking but instantly come back to life the moment I press any other button on the remote!
Souness put his stamp on that…. Keane was a hard player and had hype around him but, he was just hype. Souness was a hard man’s hard man, he broke a players jaw off camera in 84 and took on Jimmy Case… another so called hard case. There is an age difference but, I still do honestly think Souness could take Keane and that’s why Keane looked like a little boy at the end. The main problem here is Souness should be on the right next to the commentator and Keane should be in the middle
Roy Keane is bang on the money most of the time and he says it how it is, Souness goes round the houses to get his point across that half the time is completely irrelevant.
I agree with Roy, thats a penalty, because he doesn't need to go down for it to be one, but if he doesn't go down it won't be spotted. If you hold a player and prevent him from moving thats a foul - the argentina player was just intelligent enough to dive to show he was being held. If anyone has actually played football they'll realise you can't hold on to another player
that is a penalty for the simple reason the defensive player gives the offensive player A HUG. to give another player A HUG invites offense. It is as simple as that. players are not supposed to HUG other players. all you people saying otherwise are the reason football is full of s**t.
I'm glad Argentina got beat in this game. They might have won the WC but this loss tarnishes it along with how many penalties they got overall. Messi was great though. He carried them.
Also I agree with Roy not a pen. The best referee I saw today was the guy In the I think Tunisia v Poland where the ball hit a guy hand and then was asked to look at the screen and he is the first ref iv seen look at a screen and keep his decision of it was ball to hand not hand ball. If the refs in England could do this be so great in prem. The ref in Premier league look at slow motion and give pens when clearly its not. So who ever this ref was today I say well done man your a great referee 👏
If u see it in slow look closely. You can actually see the argentinian player wrapping his hands around the nigerian player and pulling him down on top of him at the same time letting himself drop. Genious evil trick. So bad for fairplay and makes the job very hard for the refs. Its pretty hard to spot such thing
Exactly, everyone's up, Keane's arse. I do like Keane he was a quality player and a even better captain. But this illusion that he was a hardman is laughable; he is just a guy who says it as it is. Souness would have had him for breakfast!
Roy Keane has seen this correct . The player did deliberately pull the defending player to the ground to gain the penalty . This was a total injustice. Souness needs to watch instead of pouring out his need to be right .
It's hard to tell. But either way, Roy is right in saying it's going to encourage players to make it look like they were blocked when actually they manipulated it.
If you are the defender, simply don't put your arm around the attacker. Simple. If you risk it, you are solely responsible for you own arm to be grabbed in return.
It definitely was a penalty. Defend the the ball. Once as a defender you put arm around player, you are leaving your self in a 50/50 and giving VAR a reason to give a pen.
Definitely it’s not a penalty, unfair call. If this is a penalty like how some people say then football we will have 10 penalties each match from now on.
Tired of the same old angry men arguing. They were both angry young men kicking lumps out of opposition players even though they were great players and had no need to.
Don’t put your arm around a player in the box it’s really simple and it’s a penalty. Why would a player need to put his arm around another player? Just because it happens all the time doesn’t make it right. It stops goals being scored and it’s obstruction finished.
Keano is absolutely right. I never spotted it until he pointed it out. Very clever from the Argentine player.
hang on , you took the Saudi money, learn
Utter cr@p! Hight time this bull$hit from defenders at corners is stopped!
@@stuartpenman6387 You give money to the saudis everyday and dont even realise it.
@@moody1965 no i don't ,i live in central america
@@stuartpenman6387 What country in Central America?
Imagine getting driving lessons from Keane and Souness
...jesus christ, i'd buy a fecking pushbike!
“I played the game”😂😂😂
😂
Yeah Graham in the front and Roy yapping from the back. Id crash the car and take us all out!
Keane was right, the arm was around him but he grabbed the arm and pulled him down with him so effectively a dive
That's how it looks to me too but sometimes you get them
Imagine Argentina scored 4 times that match and the one that went in should not have been given. And they still lost. You couldn't dream it up!
Simulation?
I have notice that there is a lack of different angles of the same moment. Of course he grabbed him and pulled him down
Wow... a whole load of subjectively- biased Keane fangitas on here.: 1) *Listen to what the new law says*. 2) Watch the African player contravene that law! 3) Watch the Argentinian capitalise upon the other player's behaviour ; ) #penalty #endof #muppetcomment
Sourness later came out and blamed Paul Pogba for the disagreement with Roy .
Fred agreed with this assessment
😂😂😂
Obviously One eyed Keane wis never in the same class as a player as Souness but guid Pundit .
@@russellblack8694 😃😆😄😆 He had Gerrard in his pocket and Gerrard is the best Midfielder Liverpool ever had and Gerrard himself said he pick keane when asked to pick a Premier league player you never played with and he picked Keane.Keane was in the Premiership team of the season 6 times and look at the players he beat as far back as 92 when Forrest was relagated Keane got into the team of the season.Souness was a great player but there was none better than Keane in premiership history.
Sourness is a proper man. Wouldn't see him taking the knee or gaywashing the sport with rainbow bow armbands.
Roy keeping it real
The guy who walked out on his country at a world cup in favour of dog walking, we should all listen to this bafoon.
@@Steaks652 what ever history you want to whinge about, fine have it .
That's no penalty though
@@vandelayindustries5814 , not sure what industry your in, but it ain't the Beautiful Game sport.
real stupid?
Roy wont shag u pal
Roy spot on, he grabs his arm and dives just because his not looking at the ball doesn't make it a penalty
still a pen according to the rules
No it's not.
@@stuartpenman6387 no you are wrong no penalty
@@jameswiglesworth5004 its a pen by the laws but am with you,its annoying
I have seen an attacker grabbing the defender's arm before.
This case is a clear penalty from the moment the defender has put his arm around the attacker, which he has no business doing. He risked it, he payed the price. It is not even clear if the attacker is grabbing to drag or to set himself free.
People just disagree with Keane nowadays to try and take away his mantle of being the best pundit.
he’s an awful pundit he offers nothing apart from hating the modern game and talking about passion, he’s great viewing but as a pundit he’s average
"Listen Roy, I've played the game!" - Souness
"Graeme Souness is a football player."
- Michael Owen
@@johndawhale3197 souness has kicked a football
Lmao. Joe Cole loving every second of it 🤣
If they start giving this type of 'penalty' every time there's 'holding' in the box scores will end up 3-5 with at least 5 penalties being awarded every match!
Souness would have eaten Keane for breakfast as a player. Roy was tough and competitive but Souness was seriously naughty and ruthless in a tackle.
“The letter of the law says if you say Paul Pogba in the box the referees have to give a penalty”
“That’s his job!!”
Well said Graham Souness this is Roy Keane problem he won’t listen to anybody else’s opinion or decisions shocking just do our job 🤣👏👏⚽️
Sourness has lost the plot recently, fantastic player in his day but becoming a shite pundit, gets it wrong on a regular basis
I think he feels undermined by that creep on talksport
@@WonderofWatches 💯
Keane is right
He's dragged him down clearly, Keane is on point, should've been a free kick the other way,
It’s not a penalty. The Argentina player grab the arm so that it make look like a foul in penalty area.
Souness somehow convinced here that football is a completely objective game
Roy's right on this 1 imo
It wasn’t a penalty but hey they didn’t win 😂
U make my eyes wide open.👏
as a life long Liverpool fan .. I'd take Roy's opinion over showboat any day .. Well done Roy
Ha ha typical Liverpool fan.
A lifelong Liverpool fan don’t make me laugh he was a legend for your club!3 European cups twice as captain probably your best captain and you back Keane 😂😂😂
@@stuartrobertson9025
He probably doesn't know that stuff 😂👍
Doubt you are a Liverpool fan, otherwise you’d appreciate a man that was front and center during Liverpool’s best years.
Who cares weather your a Liverpool fan. And Roy’s a coq
it is not Argentina's weakness, it's the courage of Saudi Arabia's players.
keane spot on as a defender on corners most of the time you will follow the player rather than the ball until the last second when the corner is taken
If that’s a penalty football is ruined
if that is defending a corner football is ruined.
Football is ruined full stop its called corruption 😤 🙄 😒 😑 😐 Nov twenty two
Look closely. Then you'll realise it's NOT a penalty. If you disagree, you're not looking close enough.
If you think it is not a pen, you're a mor0n. And have no business offering opinions on football.
They shouldn't have their arms around an opposing player in the first place. What happens after that is on them. They shouldn't put their arms on them in the first place. Its football not rugby. They can outposition them, out pace them, out manueveur them ...but grabbing, shirt pulling, holding etc. has no place in football and makes for lazy defending. I'm glad to see them penalising it.
So when in football wis holding Ffs
Not a foul
Souness says "let somebody else speak", nobody else can get a word in edge ways with him doing all the speaking 🙄
Theres only 1 person who would not back down from Keane. Souness
In this case he should have backed down as he was wrong 😅. But its true not many put it up to Keane 😅. He was still wrong though 😅
Souness was a fantastic player back in the day. Hard as nails but could play too. I think in his prime he would have Keane for dinner
@@usandusonly32 and that's relevant to this argument how exactly? He may have been a great player in his day but he must be going soft in his old age if he's so adamant that's a pen 😆
@@usandusonly32 Keane was a much better footballer and he’d also twat him in a fight, no problem at all. Anyone that’s done any form of amateur boxing would batter anyone that hasn’t.
@@usandusonly32 Souness said himself a few years ago that Keane would leave him for dead.
Personally I think it'd be a draw 😂
This was one of the last matches Souness was a pundit on. Seems Keano forced him into retirement after this one. He was probably like, I'm too old for this shit....lol...
Roy's spot on
same with the Lewandoski pen
Football is a contact game and not all contacts merit a pen
in the box?
The polish pen was a pen , the other wasn't, not hard to see,
@@stephenhollinrake916 Its a soft pen. A little tugging should be allowed. The game is played by men, not babies.
@@dr.rickbooty Beautiful reply. And you're honestly right. It's not babies on the field FFS.
Roy is right ✅ if you give pens for that then the diving gets worse, soon you want have to be a footballer just be an actor.
Roy is right. Is it a pen according to the rulebook? Maybe, but it shouldn't be anyhow.
Keane knows, and Argentina has deserved her defeat.
Don’t cry for me Argentina
I also felt it wasn't a penalty. The referee also too meny unnecessary yellow cards to Saudis. You can tell when a refree gives one side the priority.
Roy is right on this one. Thing with Roy is , he is also semi fed up with how soft the game has become. You can't blame him
You have to understand that Souness “played the game!”
Lol, gotta love Souness.
Absolutely love Joe Cole here just smirking 😏 and laughing inside love it
Souness is such an elitist egomaniac. Keane speaks from the heart
And tackled with 2 feet.
Roy should have knocked sourness flat out.
Ha ha souness is as hard as Keane
Souness would flatten him
Soo many ignorant people here. They aint got a clue about Souness
@@hl8302 Souness would choke Keane until he smelled shit.
U would of got the shock of ya life if ya seen souness in his prime
In their pomp I would of put my money on Souness winning a straightener ,he was a proper hard case .👍👍
What is the use of VAR if such incidents result in a penalty. Clearly, that was a dive and should have picked up by VAR. No penalty.
Teams do this all the time. I’m with Roy on this one
Like maguires one for England? As an English fan I thought now we got VAR we won’t get conned from games like we always have but even with VAR there going give nothing to England
Why do my eyes glaze over and I feel like death is fast approaching whenever I hear football commentary or pundits talking but instantly come back to life the moment I press any other button on the remote!
Graham "let someone else speak" Souness😁
Var looked at maguires pull down & deemed it wasn’t a penalty, it was more open & shut than this effort! Btw I’m in keanes corner !
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A Scotsman , A Irishman and A Englishman watched a game of football........
I like it. Not chicken out from an argument, both going righr at it. Pundits usually avoid fighting either of these guys.
They're both right: Keane is saying the rule in itself is flawed, whereas Souness is saying that as per the rules, it's a penalty.
Trust me souness is one man who will not back down from Keane
Souness put his stamp on that…. Keane was a hard player and had hype around him but, he was just hype.
Souness was a hard man’s hard man, he broke a players jaw off camera in 84 and took on Jimmy Case… another so called hard case.
There is an age difference but, I still do honestly think Souness could take Keane and that’s why Keane looked like a little boy at the end.
The main problem here is Souness should be on the right next to the commentator and Keane should be in the middle
"This is not my opinion, this is fact" is probably the most British thing you can say
Souness loving the sound of his own voice again
And Roy Keane doesn't? He would start an argument with his shadow.
Roy Keane is bang on the money most of the time and he says it how it is, Souness goes round the houses to get his point across that half the time is completely irrelevant.
VAR is absolutely killing football. Bin it ASAP. It's been a colossal mistake.
I wish those 2 had played in the same era - imagine Liverpool v Man U with those pair crashing into eachother in midfield
If that's a Penalty then we should have one every Corner. I'm with Roy even though I'm a Liverpool supporter.
I agree with Roy, thats a penalty, because he doesn't need to go down for it to be one, but if he doesn't go down it won't be spotted. If you hold a player and prevent him from moving thats a foul - the argentina player was just intelligent enough to dive to show he was being held. If anyone has actually played football they'll realise you can't hold on to another player
Roy at his best👍🤣
that is a penalty for the simple reason the defensive player gives the offensive player A HUG. to give another player A HUG invites offense. It is as simple as that. players are not supposed to HUG other players. all you people saying otherwise are the reason football is full of s**t.
I'm glad Argentina got beat in this game. They might have won the WC but this loss tarnishes it along with how many penalties they got overall. Messi was great though. He carried them.
Two legends
Great to see
Roy went quite and Graham still interrupted when it wasn’t his turn so unprofessional
Souness just sounds like he's correcting himself all the time, my god he's like a broken piano . Keane lets him speak because he's said his bit .
Keano 100% right
Also I agree with Roy not a pen. The best referee I saw today was the guy In the I think Tunisia v Poland where the ball hit a guy hand and then was asked to look at the screen and he is the first ref iv seen look at a screen and keep his decision of it was ball to hand not hand ball. If the refs in England could do this be so great in prem. The ref in Premier league look at slow motion and give pens when clearly its not. So who ever this ref was today I say well done man your a great referee 👏
haha love seeing Roy go nuts!
Graham is smoking some funny stuff the new law is I foul you I get a penalty 🤷🏻♂️
It's the rangers way
Fk knows what you mean but I agree 😄
If u see it in slow look closely. You can actually see the argentinian player wrapping his hands around the nigerian player and pulling him down on top of him at the same time letting himself drop. Genious evil trick. So bad for fairplay and makes the job very hard for the refs. Its pretty hard to spot such thing
😂😂amount of people in the comments who don’t realise Souness was a very, very tough player
Exactly, everyone's up, Keane's arse. I do like Keane he was a quality player and a even better captain. But this illusion that he was a hardman is laughable; he is just a guy who says it as it is. Souness would have had him for breakfast!
Typical football.. it’s a bloody foul interfering with play. Thank god for rugby a true sport.
Roy Keane has seen this correct . The player did deliberately pull the defending player to the ground to gain the penalty . This was a total injustice. Souness needs to watch instead of pouring out his need to be right .
Souness ''it's not about our opinions'',
Keane ''then why are we here for?''
😂❤
Souness: that is a penalty and it's pogba's fault
100% a pen, the defender had no interest in the ball.... The attacker was just holding the arm as it was around him.
It's hard to tell. But either way, Roy is right in saying it's going to encourage players to make it look like they were blocked when actually they manipulated it.
If you are the defender, simply don't put your arm around the attacker. Simple. If you risk it, you are solely responsible for you own arm to be grabbed in return.
Loved this to be honest. Two heavyweights of their day not backing down. I like both of them - and what a scrap it would be if they did go at it!
These guys are lucky. Regardless of who is right or wrong, they get paid for their none sense lol
Total respect as to what Roy Keane says but souness would have broke his leg in a tattle.
Souness needs to sit down and have a cup of tea
It definitely was a penalty. Defend the the ball. Once as a defender you put arm around player, you are leaving your self in a 50/50 and giving VAR a reason to give a pen.
Roy right as always. yes we all want to hear Roy. Not bold Souness
Definitely it’s not a penalty, unfair call. If this is a penalty like how some people say then football we will have 10 penalties each match from now on.
Tired of the same old angry men arguing. They were both angry young men kicking lumps out of opposition players even though they were great players and had no need to.
Later in the game there’s a foul in the box that should’ve been a penalty and wasn’t given so why are there complaints?
Graham loves the "if you listen you'll learn a lot more line*
I agree with Roy. Was there any need for the childish behaviour from either him or Souness though 😂
It's a penalty. There's no such thing as 'encouraged diving'.
Reminds me of how James Harden use to force fouls in the NBA, looks like a foul but he's dragging him
bless up
@@poadra oh yea thanks
Roy Keane is the best 😅
why is a defender going to look for the ball he has a man to mark
Don’t put your arm around a player in the box it’s really simple and it’s a penalty. Why would a player need to put his arm around another player? Just because it happens all the time doesn’t make it right. It stops goals being scored and it’s obstruction finished.
I truly hope Graeme and Roy start fighting live on Tv.
Do it!!!
Football is finished anyway.
Just loose it 👊
Roy Keane is right 💯
Roy right as usual. Sourness needs to retire from punditry 🤡
I really hope ITV air the fist fight when it happens 😂😂
Don’t get this on this morning
Roy is right. Plus if this is a penalty then we should see a penalty after every corner
I hate that walloper, pls Roy knock him oot !
It was more of a penalty than the Ronaldo one that he thought was a pen!!