Understand that 1 this is a video almost 8 years old, many of the comments are videos that were shot either before or shortly after this to show different ways of using a SS 12 GA, this was also prior to the development with Short Lane Arms of the 12 GA-209 Primer Adapter which is now my go to for any BP use in my 12GA
You see this is the old Dave, useful information, building his reputation from 2011, no $300 knife ads for the "common man". Thanks for keeping these on RUclips Dave. Your skills, ability to present and modesty are what have made you great and will always make you one of the most interesting Outdoors-man/Mountain Men ever to grace RUclips! Cheers DHS
Superb video Dave. I just want to say how much I enjoy your videos and all that you have to offer us out here who love God and life as we were meant to live it while we're here. You truly are a gift to us all. What a great teacher you are. You certainly did not miss your 'calling'. Well done!
I learn from all your videos. Some are better than others and some have more info than others. This video is a true modern day survival tutorial of the highest quality, something EVERYONE should know and a real inspiration. Thank you again for all you do. Kudos and good luck in all your endeavors.
I did this , with a 10 gauge h & r , about fifteen years ago . the ammo is super expensive , so I went to shooting ranges to find enough hulls to make it worth wild . the nice thing is you can squib down to twelve gauge loads for smaller game or shoot round lead balls for deer . I just carry a fiber glass rod , with screwed in shotgun tip, for reloading , and it doubles as a walking stick. I make paper tubes , with powder, thick paper card and wad , then shot with an over card, for quick loading . I also bought antique reloading tools , and reload paper and plastic ten gauge hulls . the plastic shells end up with burn holes , so I save the high brass ends . I usually use shells for goose , and muzzleload for squirrels , and round balls for deer. I make my own black powder , and it cuts the price of shooting to nothing. all of this effort , seems to slow down the experience , and I enjoy it more.
I have to say when this vidoe came out I started using this system and have been ever since. This system WORKS GREAT!!!, nothing else I can say the I have taken lots of small game using my 12ga, and 410 using this, to new folks I say again it works, and a modified choke.get a 209 adaptor when you can makes it alot easier. thank you Dave for all that you have shown us and still teach us.
I believe the point being missed by some commenting, is how Dave is showing everyone an inexpensive way to get into and learn black powder shooting with equipment you probably already have. Great video Dave! I still have my H&R shot gun in 18" stainless as a gift from my brother long ago.
You take your work very seriously and have put a lot of thought into all your videos. You have definitely taken it to the next level and I thank you and your family. Happy Thanksgiving.
This is a great video for 2 reasons. One is the increased flexibility with the use of an inexpensive, quality firearm, In a survival situation, every bit of flexibility is another way to stay alive. Secondly, this is a great example of "survival thinking". It is finding additional ways to use limited assets, that flexible thinking is the greatest asset of all. A couple of suggestions. A slip knot in the MIDDLE of your cord will let you scrub the inside, back and forth, while you stand on one end of the cord, and pull with the other, moving the barrel around the now stationary cleaning wad. A long, long time ago, I hunted with a Mexican who had a home made shotgun. He was a true DIY man, mainly for economy. He used donkey turds for wadding in his shotgun, and horse or perhaps cow shit would work too. It does give the gun smoke a distinct flavor, though.
Dave I've been a watcher since you did the squirrel hunt with a woods made slingshot years ago, and i must also admit i quit watching a year or so ago due to you leaving the longhunter / versa shelter style behind but now your back in the old style and i'm watching again. Thank you Dave. I like the expanded coverage you've done with the black powder conversion on your 12 gauge, I think it explains alot more that was missed in the .410 episode you did with your son.
The Kentucky Long Rifle was a hybrid of 2 earlier frontier guns. One was the German rifle, which had a rifled barrel but was much shorter, heavier, and had a larger caliber than the Kentucky. The other gun was the English fowling piece, which was smoothbore, but had a longer barrel and smaller caliber than a regular musket to improve accuracy. The fowling piece could fire a single round ball or multiple small shot. So, Dave's shotgun is much like a fowling piece in function.
@iguire It's not about times fired, it's about getting the corrosive residue from the burned black powder cleaned out before it starts corroding the barrel. You don't want to wait more than a couple hours if you can help it. The quicker the better. Of course if it gets dirty it never hurts to push a hunk of rag through it until you can get to a good source of water & soap or solvent better yet if possible. A wet rag or other patch material if you'll have time for it to dry out before you load
Other than not following the instructions of the manufacturer, I see no issues with this method of muzzleloading. In fact, I think its a great idea and breathes new life into our old single shot guns. I'll never teach this to my students, but I will to my buddies. Thanks for the video. gus , NMLRA/NRA Instructor Trainer.
This make me remember when I was I kid I used to open the shells when I would find them and dump out the shot and tape the shell to the end of my B.B. gun just so it would make the the sound.
I just re-watched this again. I saw it years ago and IMHO represents the typical quality he brings to most of his videos. I am a great fan. This topic iis a great skill to know. If you add the skill to make black powder. You never have to run out of ammunition for you 12 gauge. Of course this stuff is a remote chance of have to rely on it, but that does not take away from the enjoyment and Self reliance such skills bring. Dave is all about those skills.
Hey David I've been watching your videos for a while now and I really enjoy them. I just received my 209 muzzleloader adapter for my 16 gauge that use to be my pappy's and I love it. I'll be using it this weekend on squirrel and rabbit. Thanks for your time and videos keep them coming.
Dave, I look forward to that vid. This is very interesting to me. I have a old Hawkins flint lock. I like this option to replace the old Hawkins. Thus, my interest in this. Thank you for the feedback. Have a great thanksgiving and your service to our nation. (Vet here also)
Great job! Nice to know and see the versatility of the single shot shotgun. I would have to agree, that in this mode of black powder, the 12ga would be the optimum choice.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but a quick tip: You can replace your barrel screw w/ a wing head screw/thumb screw (or whatever it is called) so you do not need tools to dismantle the shotgun.
Dave already made a video for that. The guy in the video you posted mentions how he got the idea from Dave which is the point of his channel. This video was just showing that you could also use the single action 12 ga as a muzzle loader if for instance you have damaged plastic shotgun shells, you could just cut away the plastic. I like Daves videos because he doesn't take 45 min to show how it's done if it doesn't need to be 45 min long.
Dave I have a single shot 16 gauge from new england arms. That I got when I was 14 I like it for it's ruged dependabilty. I have cerbal palsey I think I spelled it right because of this I have droped it gotten it muddy etc. and all I had to do was wipe it off and run a patch down the barrel and it still works as well as the day I got it just wanted to say thanks because of your videos and teachings I have brushed up on my skills and learned new skills
what i do with my gun to clean the barrel is i take a piece of cotton cloth (multi purpose) and tie it to some paracord and i put the cord down the barrel and pull the cloth through it has always worked like a dream for me and saves the trouble of taking the cover off of the barrel. also i put a small fishing sinker on the opposite end of the cord to make it go down the barrel easier
some of you cannot see the "pure Genius" of this adaptation.....got me thinking of doing the same with a handi rifle 45-70 and a .410 hull... thanks Dave.
Another great video! I see where a few are questioning about loading an empty shell with the components? I am not so sure one could load all of this in an empty shell, without fear of an accidental discharge, compared to traditional loading and packing as you showed in the video??? Black powder is fickle and tends to be unpredictable.....or precisely predictable in this case! Be safe Brother and keep educating us!!!!
Dave i saw my dad fix a single shot 12 in the field the hammer spring broke and he used a haksaw blade to replace the spring and we were hunting in a few mins works great i have did this also with a old 12ga i had good video Dave
Keep the primers in their original boxes and trays. It keeps them seperated and not able to contact one another. If you place them together in a plastic vial they will contact one another and have the potential to explode like a handgrenade if dropped. I had a gunsmith friend loose and eye and part of the use of his hand when he was handloading and dropped his 35mm film container vial of primers and was grabbing for it when it hit the conrete and exploded. Don't place your primers in anything but what you bought them in.
Very cool, thinking ahead, having multi-purpose materials to lighten the load and adapting modern gear when store bought rounds / supplies are not available, I like it! And...lol, no bare feet! Good to know your still going strong Dave.
What if you just slightly loosened the primer hole so it still held a primer securely but didnt need to be seated, then you could put it in after you had loaded the barrel and remove it from the brass after shooting. Then you would also only need one piece of brass that could stay in place. And perhaps sand off part of the rim if the extractor is catching it. Just some brainstorming.
the muzzle loading aspect of the video is when EVERYTHING has gone to hell, and the only thing left is your wits and using what you have to keep you alive...every ounce of stuff you have to haul around, is a step you might not make, or live to take...ounces weigh tons, at the end of the day. good video, and informative. and as always: semper fi, carry on!!
if you place your primers in ANY other container be sure to place wadding over the top of them, if they rattle ,they Will go BOOM. safer in the box.the priming compound is SHOCK SENSITIVE and it will not take much to explode!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be Carefull out tnere!!!!
its used to remove a ball from the barrel if you have a squib round or if the powder doesnt catch( it looks like a kind of double cork screw.). they typically screw right into the end of the ram rod so it can be used to extract the ball
Love the videos. I picked up a New England firearms SB1 single shot a few weeks back at auction for $50- . Shot it last weekend w/ no issue. They are great simple guns, I have semi-auto rifles and pump shotguns, but I like my simple bolt action rifles and single shot 12g’s the best.
you really nailed your video about hunting wild boar with your flintlock rifle, enjoyed seeing your period correct clothing they looked bullitproof we liked your longer hair too it made you look the part , also the show and tell about the flintlock was educational. please keep bringing us your videos we find them enjoyable and educational thank you..
I reload shotgun shells, 20 and 12 gauge. Black powder works great for shotguns with other modern components. Using smokeless powder and moderate loads, I get five reloads from a 2 3/4" plastic and six or seven from a 3" plastic. Black powder burns the plastic, so paper shells are better.
This is awesome! I have an old Stevens single barrel 12 gauge that breaks down without a tool. I got it for 50 bucks, because the bracket that holds the fore grip on was busted. But I got the replacement on numrich for 10 bucks. It is vault tight now. I use my Mossberg 500 for hunting now soley-although I am going to have to try this now, for fun. Maybe I will see if I can run a modern take on what the frontiersmen used to do, and put my powder and shot in small manilla envelopes, so you can tear a corner, pour, then use the envelope as wadding.
First I would like to say thanks for all the knowledge you share with us. I to would like to see more on the .410 I have an M6 scout and love to carry this gun in my pack due to it's size. I would guess the loads are just downsized a bit but still would love to see what you can do.
Hi Dave, Thank you for all that you do, I've learned more from you in just a couple of months than I've learned my whole life. Would there be any drawl backs to using the white gun powder? The reason I'm asking is that I thought it was much cleaner burning, therefore, easier to clean.
Man, what a great video! I never thought about doing this with an H&R Pardner. Now I know and you have done a very effective job of teaching me. Thank you sir! Armed Mariner
Another excellent video, Dave!!! I too remember the .410/45 LC video, and would greatly appreciate a reposting of that video as well. Thank you for all that you do for this community and for posting such excellent videos!!!
This is great! A couple observations, the bbs look bigger than buck. Black powder can't blow a modern black powder barrel unless you clog it. You could fill it up & it just burns on the way out ... I've done it on 4th of July's, lol, would be nice to learn if that's true of a 12 gauge barrel. I don't think a dry patch is reliable to hold the shot together. I think wrapping it like a bean bag in material so it gives a little friction when pushed in would be reliable & let it loose after shot.
Great video, Dave! Never thought of using my H&R for this! Man, you could carry a pound of GOEX or PYRODEX and a hundred primers for a heck of a lot less weight than a hundred rounds of 12. Sure, maybe not as high muzzle velocity, but it would most definitely work. Thanks!
I'm watching this and can't help but remember making paper cartridges for Civil War reenacting. Take a dowel rod, and wrap a piece of paper around it, twist the end and tie it off with a piece of string. Load shot first, then powder, and fold the remaining paper over. Everything is good to go in a single container. You could also wrap the shot and powder charge separately, maybe using different colored paper to distinguish the two. Brown masking paper worked the best. You can find instructions on the internet. Just search for "wrapping civil war cartridge".
It also saves weight - I'm getting up there and honestly there's only so much ammo I can carry.On the fly black powder reloading for a shotgun cuts down on weight and saves money which is also a big deal for some of us. Sounds like a winning idea to me
Got my little Rossi breakaction! I like it more because you can put the .22LR adapter along with 50+ rounds of .22 in the stock, also I have some fire starting stuff in the handguard..
great video dave, as usual. Im really liking this series, question though, wont putting the tallow through the barrel make the powder stick along the barrel on your next charge? stopping it from pooling at the bottom? sorry if this question is dumb, just never seen that done before. thanks
What if you were to use .177 Daisy BB's instead of the larger shot? I mean I guess you could consider it "Birdshot", but IMO, it would be a better pattern for smaller game, such as the rabbit target. Just throwing this out there as an option.
If you didn't have extra cloth to spare for the reloading process, would you dare to use something like moss or crushed leaves? That might sound odd ball but if one was really out in the wild, you would want to save cloth for bandages or cleaning, things that moss would not be suitable for. This is great video, it puts a whole new concept on the usability of what one can reasonably keep on hand.
i just got some solid brass shells for loading black powder loads the best thing i have ever used and my loads have never gone bad and u load it like a real 12 ga load only with a thin cardboard cap 3/4 in. seal with wax or glue a light glue
also, have you ever considered making paper cartridges for this set up? just like a old time musket. you could mark them as shot or ball loads. the nice thing about it is that the paper acts as the patches, everything's in a nice package and fast to load. in your case, just pop the primer shell in, rip the paper cartridge, pour the powder into the barrel, send the paper and load down the barrel and set it with the ram rod. fast and simple.
Question: would it work to re-prime the brass, fill it with the powder charge, then put wax over, it to have a pre-primed charge? Then, all you'd have to do is pop the charge into the barrel, drop some shot with the wad, and you're good to go! That should work, right? If not, why wouldn't it?
Very interesting to know, but I'm kind of lost as to the practical usefulness of this. What are the chances you're going to be in a survival situation and happen to have both primer and black powder? Given, in some areas, with a little know-how you can make black powder. But what are the chances you'll actually be out in the woods and have spare primers instead of spare shells?
I'd be very careful about doing this with any shotgun. Usually in muzzle loaders the proper procedure is to insert the primer or percussion cap as the last step in loading to effectively prevent discharge while loading. But with this method, you have to have a primed case in the breech as the first step. I'm not very familiar with the different models of single shot shotguns but if the hammer is cocked and you drop the gun and it falls on the hammer that could discharge it among other things.
Dave, don't you want to run your steel wool the other way thru the barrel, pull the crap away from the chamber instead of pulling the garbage into the chamber area? Great nugget of knowledge in this video, I will keep it for the years after after we cease to be a country. For now I think my Marlin Papoose and vacuum packed 22 ammo will have to do. Thank-you Dave for sharing your knowledge with us.
I wonder how hard it would be to convert a shell into a bp primer nipple? You can make your own BP primers with coke cans and toy caps if you could convert one it would make it quicker to work that way and add a valuable option not only to the gun in the video but all the NEF/Rossi matched pair guns. This is an awesome video, thank you for what you are doing.
While I would never consider using these techniques (black powder, I am unlikely to get my hands of powder and primers if I cant get loaded ammunition where I am) I do appreciate the thought and effort the poster has put into this video and his skills. Regardless of if you think something is 'useful' or 'applicable' to you, you have to give credit to people who have actually gone to the effort to come up with a well thought out plan or system for something they find worthwhile.
i watched this video about 5 weeks ago,i went and bought one in 20 gauge for rabbit hunting.i had all the stuff,been having a blast slaying rabbit.my buddies think its foolish but i call it fun
I use airsoft pellets. They're cheap and don't contaminate meat. Heavy biodegradeable (.36gr) tracer pellets which can be charged up with a laser pointer just prior to loading when using clear plastic shot shell cases.Makes interesting shooting at night.
Very, very versatile indeed! I am going to learn how to make my own powder and percussion caps this winter, after hunting season. I like Goex and Schuetzen, but we never know when production powders and primers may not be available. Dixie Gun Works sells a tool kit for making the primers and a third grader could do it. But the powder is way, way more difficult. Have you ever made your own powder, or know someone that has?
Genious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How often do you have to clean the gun ? After every shot or a few shots with Black Powder? And I guess this 12GA Muzz for a singleshot will work on any single shot shotty?
VERY NICE...always like you videos Dave, did you know that u can shoo 20Gage shells from that 12guage. Using a spent 12ga shot shell cut the brass off, then put the crimped end of the 20ga shell into the crimped end of the 12ga. it should center always check to make sure
Great video! Few concerns: Usually loading black power and shot comes before the primer. Its all about safety, isolating the source of ignition before charging is the safest way. How can this work with the most common types of shotguns? (pump or possibly semi) ALSO: Are you using a rifled barrel? I am assuming not for shot, but for a slug, is a refiled barrel recommended?
Instead of cloth between powder and shot, use old hornet hive, it is vary much like paper, it will cushion the impact of the powder on the shot, so it does not spread as wide as fast.
@tblbaby I don't see why not use the whole shell again, to hold the shot. If you had wax or heavy lard to hold the shot in or recrimp the plastic? Guess you could heat it & reform it if nothing else worked. Your video is excellent. You can make your own powder in a pinch if you can find the elements & that's a new chance to use a fire arm if there is no smokeless around. Good thinking going into cleaning, because black powder will absolutely ruin the gun if you don't get on cleaning it after.
Great video certainly taught me some new things and shows you a few items to keep handy in creating a good hunting bag...as they say learn something new everyday
I tried it in 410 shotgun shooting a 375 patched round ball .qafter about 4 shots it fouled up so bad the action would not close completely . ib had 2 miss fires I thought at first i broke the firing pin but after further inspection I realized it was because of the fouling . I gave it a good cleaning. these guns were not intended for shooting black powder , just thought i would let you know.
Yes, just extract the brass with spent primer after making the shot and drop in a full shell and back to normal. The only thing I could see that might be a problem is any powder fouling residue left in the chamber that might interfere with sliding in a new shell. Simple solution would be to take a rag and wipe out the chamber before dropping in the new shell. GTG.
What are the chances that the patching material will catch the dry leaves on fire? Would greasing the patches increase or decrease the chance of a leaf/grass fire? Thanks
dave, this is an awesome video brother, this same shotguns been sitting in my closet for months cause its been replaced with a pump shotgun, this def makes me want to pull it out and give her a new spin on things. thanks man!
@lolworld2012 every gun shop i've walked into you can pick up a single shot for cheaper then a pump, sometimes even find a side by side for cheaper then a pump.
Understand that 1 this is a video almost 8 years old, many of the comments are videos that were shot either before or shortly after this to show different ways of using a SS 12 GA, this was also prior to the development with Short Lane Arms of the 12 GA-209 Primer Adapter which is now my go to for any BP use in my 12GA
You see this is the old Dave, useful information, building his reputation from 2011, no $300 knife ads for the "common man". Thanks for keeping these on RUclips Dave. Your skills, ability to present and modesty are what have made you great and will always make you one of the most interesting Outdoors-man/Mountain Men ever to grace RUclips! Cheers DHS
seems to me it would be easier to load the shell with this instead of cutting it off.
Superb video Dave. I just want to say how much I enjoy your videos and all that you have to offer us out here who love God and life as we were meant to live it while we're here. You truly are a gift to us all. What a great teacher you are. You certainly did not miss your 'calling'. Well done!
I learn from all your videos. Some are better than others and some have more info than others. This video is a true modern day survival tutorial of the highest quality, something EVERYONE should know and a real inspiration. Thank you again for all you do. Kudos and good luck in all your endeavors.
I did this , with a 10 gauge h & r , about fifteen years ago . the ammo is super expensive , so I went to shooting ranges to find enough hulls to make it worth wild . the nice thing is you can squib down to twelve gauge loads for smaller game or shoot round lead balls for deer . I just carry a fiber glass rod , with screwed in shotgun tip, for reloading , and it doubles as a walking stick. I make paper tubes , with powder, thick paper card and wad , then shot with an over card, for quick loading . I also bought antique reloading tools , and reload paper and plastic ten gauge hulls . the plastic shells end up with burn holes , so I save the high brass ends . I usually use shells for goose , and muzzleload for squirrels , and round balls for deer. I make my own black powder , and it cuts the price of shooting to nothing. all of this effort , seems to slow down the experience , and I enjoy it more.
I have to say when this vidoe came out I started using this system and have been ever since. This system WORKS GREAT!!!, nothing else I can say the I have taken lots of small game using my 12ga, and 410 using this, to new folks I say again it works, and a modified choke.get a 209 adaptor when you can makes it alot easier. thank you Dave for all that you have shown us and still teach us.
I believe the point being missed by some commenting, is how Dave is showing everyone an inexpensive way to get into and learn black powder shooting with equipment you probably already have.
Great video Dave! I still have my H&R shot gun in 18" stainless as a gift from my brother long ago.
You take your work very seriously and have put a lot of thought into all your videos. You have definitely taken it to the next level and I thank you and your family. Happy Thanksgiving.
If the shell is intact, why not load the powder, shot, and wads into the shell itself?
This is a great video for 2 reasons.
One is the increased flexibility with the use of an inexpensive, quality firearm, In a survival situation, every bit of flexibility is another way to stay alive.
Secondly, this is a great example of "survival thinking". It is finding additional ways to use limited assets, that flexible thinking is the greatest asset of all.
A couple of suggestions. A slip knot in the MIDDLE of your cord will let you scrub the inside, back and forth, while you stand on one end of the cord, and pull with the other, moving the barrel around the now stationary cleaning wad.
A long, long time ago, I hunted with a Mexican who had a home made shotgun. He was a true DIY man, mainly for economy. He used donkey turds for wadding in his shotgun, and horse or perhaps cow shit would work too. It does give the gun smoke a distinct flavor, though.
Dave I've been a watcher since you did the squirrel hunt with a woods made slingshot years ago, and i must also admit i quit watching a year or so ago due to you leaving the longhunter / versa shelter style behind but now your back in the old style and i'm watching again. Thank you Dave. I like the expanded coverage you've done with the black powder conversion on your 12 gauge, I think it explains alot more that was missed in the .410 episode you did with your son.
The Kentucky Long Rifle was a hybrid of 2 earlier frontier guns. One was the German rifle, which had a rifled barrel but was much shorter, heavier, and had a larger caliber than the Kentucky. The other gun was the English fowling piece, which was smoothbore, but had a longer barrel and smaller caliber than a regular musket to improve accuracy. The fowling piece could fire a single round ball or multiple small shot. So, Dave's shotgun is much like a fowling piece in function.
@iguire It's not about times fired, it's about getting the corrosive residue from the burned black powder cleaned out before it starts corroding the barrel. You don't want to wait more than a couple hours if you can help it. The quicker the better. Of course if it gets dirty it never hurts to push a hunk of rag through it until you can get to a good source of water & soap or solvent better yet if possible. A wet rag or other patch material if you'll have time for it to dry out before you load
Other than not following the instructions of the manufacturer, I see no issues with this method of muzzleloading. In fact, I think its a great idea and breathes new life into our old single shot guns. I'll never teach this to my students, but I will to my buddies. Thanks for the video. gus , NMLRA/NRA Instructor Trainer.
This make me remember when I was I kid I used to open the shells when I would find them and dump out the shot and tape the shell to the end of my B.B. gun just so it would make the the sound.
I just re-watched this again. I saw it years ago and IMHO represents the typical quality he brings to most of his videos. I am a great fan. This topic iis a great skill to know. If you add the skill to make black powder. You never have to run out of ammunition for you 12 gauge. Of course this stuff is a remote chance of have to rely on it, but that does not take away from the enjoyment and Self reliance such skills bring. Dave is all about those skills.
Hey David I've been watching your videos for a while now and I really enjoy them. I just received my 209 muzzleloader adapter for my 16 gauge that use to be my pappy's and I love it. I'll be using it this weekend on squirrel and rabbit. Thanks for your time and videos keep them coming.
Dave,
I look forward to that vid. This is very interesting to me. I have a old Hawkins flint lock. I like this option to replace the old Hawkins. Thus, my interest in this.
Thank you for the feedback.
Have a great thanksgiving and your service to our nation. (Vet here also)
Great job! Nice to know and see the versatility of the single shot shotgun. I would have to agree, that in this mode of black powder, the 12ga would be the optimum choice.
This was my first gun and it was my grandfather's so it means a lot to me now to have it nice video and keep up the great channel GOD Bless
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but a quick tip: You can replace your barrel screw w/ a wing head screw/thumb screw (or whatever it is called) so you do not need tools to dismantle the shotgun.
Dave already made a video for that. The guy in the video you posted mentions how he got the idea from Dave which is the point of his channel. This video was just showing that you could also use the single action 12 ga as a muzzle loader if for instance you have damaged plastic shotgun shells, you could just cut away the plastic. I like Daves videos because he doesn't take 45 min to show how it's done if it doesn't need to be 45 min long.
Dave I have a single shot 16 gauge from new england arms. That I got when I was 14 I like it for it's ruged dependabilty. I have cerbal palsey I think I spelled it right because of this I have droped it gotten it muddy etc. and all I had to do was wipe it off and run a patch down the barrel and it still works as well as the day I got it
just wanted to say thanks because of your videos and teachings I have brushed up on my skills and learned new skills
what i do with my gun to clean the barrel is i take a piece of cotton cloth (multi purpose) and tie it to some paracord and i put the cord down the barrel and pull the cloth through it has always worked like a dream for me and saves the trouble of taking the cover off of the barrel. also i put a small fishing sinker on the opposite end of the cord to make it go down the barrel easier
I like the way you add accessories in the presentations , flat washers , sticks etc. .
Thanks all
some of you cannot see the "pure Genius" of this adaptation.....got me thinking of doing the same with a handi rifle 45-70 and a .410 hull... thanks Dave.
Thanks for doing this series. I know how much work it is to make videos and you have really taken a lot of time to share your knowledge. Thanks.
I can't believe I never thought of doing this, its so brilliant and yet so simple.
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Another great video! I see where a few are questioning about loading an empty shell with the components? I am not so sure one could load all of this in an empty shell, without fear of an accidental discharge, compared to traditional loading and packing as you showed in the video??? Black powder is fickle and tends to be unpredictable.....or precisely predictable in this case! Be safe Brother and keep educating us!!!!
Dave, thanks for this! I never thought of this before. SO versatile!
I got my daughter a rem LT 1100 for protection ,& she watches your vids ,
Really like your video's Dave. I'm tryin out my single shot 12 ga. with your reloading technique today.Thank you for your videos and all your info !
Dave i saw my dad fix a single shot 12 in the field the hammer spring broke and he used a haksaw blade to replace the spring and we were hunting in a few mins works great i have did this also with a old 12ga i had good video Dave
Keep the primers in their original boxes and trays. It keeps them seperated and not able to contact one another. If you place them together in a plastic vial they will contact one another and have the potential to explode like a handgrenade if dropped. I had a gunsmith friend loose and eye and part of the use of his hand when he was handloading and dropped his 35mm film container vial of primers and was grabbing for it when it hit the conrete and exploded. Don't place your primers in anything but what you bought them in.
Watched this again...great video as I have done this a few times with my Rossi 12ga. Definite fun times and keeping in touch with REAL gun shooting.
Dave I listened to you and bought myself my first firearm a Baikal Remington single shot 12ga, kicks like a mule but I love it
Very cool, thinking ahead, having multi-purpose materials to lighten the load and adapting modern gear when store bought rounds / supplies are not available, I like it!
And...lol, no bare feet! Good to know your still going strong Dave.
Great videos! Always gets me back to the wild from this modern city life. Thanks
What if you just slightly loosened the primer hole so it still held a primer securely but didnt need to be seated, then you could put it in after you had loaded the barrel and remove it from the brass after shooting. Then you would also only need one piece of brass that could stay in place. And perhaps sand off part of the rim if the extractor is catching it. Just some brainstorming.
That would certainly be safer than tamping down powder and shot on top of a live primer.
thanks for these videos, it's very hard to find this good of information anywhere else, especially thanks for your time, please keep it up!
the muzzle loading aspect of the video is when EVERYTHING has gone to hell, and the only thing left is your wits and using what you have to keep you alive...every ounce of stuff you have to haul around, is a step you might not make, or live to take...ounces weigh tons, at the end of the day. good video, and informative. and as always:
semper fi, carry on!!
if you place your primers in ANY other container be sure to place wadding over the top of them, if they rattle ,they Will go BOOM. safer in the box.the priming compound is SHOCK SENSITIVE and it will not take much to explode!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be Carefull out tnere!!!!
Modern day gunpowder is slow burning. Black powder is fast burning.
Like the videos!
its used to remove a ball from the barrel if you have a squib round or if the powder doesnt catch( it looks like a kind of double cork screw.). they typically screw right into the end of the ram rod so it can be used to extract the ball
Love the videos. I picked up a New England firearms SB1 single shot a few weeks back at auction for $50- . Shot it last weekend w/ no issue. They are great simple guns, I have semi-auto rifles and pump shotguns, but I like my simple bolt action rifles and single shot 12g’s the best.
Awesome thanks bro. I’m definitely going to try this.
you really nailed your video about hunting wild boar with your flintlock rifle, enjoyed seeing your period correct clothing they looked bullitproof we liked your longer hair too it made you look the part , also the show and tell about the flintlock was educational. please keep bringing us your videos we find them enjoyable and educational thank you..
great vid! one question I have. Is it possible to reload the whole shell with the same grain of black powder and shot without cutting off the plastic?
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I reload shotgun shells, 20 and 12 gauge. Black powder works great for shotguns with other modern components. Using smokeless powder and moderate loads, I get five reloads from a 2 3/4" plastic and six or seven from a 3" plastic. Black powder burns the plastic, so paper shells are better.
Most practical videos I've seen, keep up the good work. Awesome it's all about the tools
It would be nice if they made a model that came with a ram rod. Hulls are prone to getting stuck anyway.
This is awesome! I have an old Stevens single barrel 12 gauge that breaks down without a tool. I got it for 50 bucks, because the bracket that holds the fore grip on was busted. But I got the replacement on numrich for 10 bucks. It is vault tight now. I use my Mossberg 500 for hunting now soley-although I am going to have to try this now, for fun. Maybe I will see if I can run a modern take on what the frontiersmen used to do, and put my powder and shot in small manilla envelopes, so you can tear a corner, pour, then use the envelope as wadding.
Damn! I had this topper model for 35 years. I just gave it to my nephew. Wish I had seen this video before I did.
First I would like to say thanks for all the knowledge you share with us. I to would like to see more on the .410 I have an M6 scout and love to carry this gun in my pack due to it's size. I would guess the loads are just downsized a bit but still would love to see what you can do.
Hodgdon Triple 7 cleans even easier, and has no sulfer, so it can go longer with out cleaning. Thought I'd mention that. Great idea, Dave!
Hi Dave,
Thank you for all that you do, I've learned more from you in just a couple of months than I've learned my whole life. Would there be any drawl backs to using the white gun powder? The reason I'm asking is that I thought it was much cleaner burning, therefore, easier to clean.
Awesome, i was browsing 12 gauge chamber adapters and found this, really neat
Thanks for another great video Dave! I always learn something when I watch your videos.
Man, what a great video! I never thought about doing this with an H&R Pardner. Now I know and you have done a very effective job of teaching me. Thank you sir! Armed Mariner
Another excellent video, Dave!!! I too remember the .410/45 LC video, and would greatly appreciate a reposting of that video as well. Thank you for all that you do for this community and for posting such excellent videos!!!
This is great!
A couple observations, the bbs look bigger than buck. Black powder can't blow a modern black powder barrel unless you clog it. You could fill it up & it just burns on the way out ... I've done it on 4th of July's, lol, would be nice to learn if that's true of a 12 gauge barrel.
I don't think a dry patch is reliable to hold the shot together. I think wrapping it like a bean bag in material so it gives a little friction when pushed in would be reliable & let it loose after shot.
Great video, Dave! Never thought of using my H&R for this! Man, you could carry a pound of GOEX or PYRODEX and a hundred primers for a heck of a lot less weight than a hundred rounds of 12. Sure, maybe not as high muzzle velocity, but it would most definitely work. Thanks!
I'm watching this and can't help but remember making paper cartridges for Civil War reenacting. Take a dowel rod, and wrap a piece of paper around it, twist the end and tie it off with a piece of string. Load shot first, then powder, and fold the remaining paper over. Everything is good to go in a single container. You could also wrap the shot and powder charge separately, maybe using different colored paper to distinguish the two. Brown masking paper worked the best. You can find instructions on the internet. Just search for "wrapping civil war cartridge".
It also saves weight - I'm getting up there and honestly there's only so much ammo I can carry.On the fly black powder reloading for a shotgun cuts down on weight and saves money which is also a big deal for some of us. Sounds like a winning idea to me
Got my little Rossi breakaction!
I like it more because you can put the .22LR adapter along with 50+ rounds of .22 in the stock, also I have some fire starting stuff in the handguard..
great video dave, as usual. Im really liking this series, question though, wont putting the tallow through the barrel make the powder stick along the barrel on your next charge? stopping it from pooling at the bottom? sorry if this question is dumb, just never seen that done before.
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Beautiful knife, Dave. Planning on buying one after I finish college!
What if you were to use .177 Daisy BB's instead of the larger shot? I mean I guess you could consider it "Birdshot", but IMO, it would be a better pattern for smaller game, such as the rabbit target. Just throwing this out there as an option.
If you didn't have extra cloth to spare for the reloading process, would you dare to use something like moss or crushed leaves?
That might sound odd ball but if one was really out in the wild, you would want to save cloth for bandages or cleaning, things that moss would not be suitable for.
This is great video, it puts a whole new concept on the usability of what one can reasonably keep on hand.
i just got some solid brass shells for loading black powder loads the best thing i have ever used and my loads have never gone bad and u load it like a real 12 ga load only with a thin cardboard cap 3/4 in. seal with wax or glue a light glue
also, have you ever considered making paper cartridges for this set up? just like a old time musket. you could mark them as shot or ball loads. the nice thing about it is that the paper acts as the patches, everything's in a nice package and fast to load. in your case, just pop the primer shell in, rip the paper cartridge, pour the powder into the barrel, send the paper and load down the barrel and set it with the ram rod. fast and simple.
Question: would it work to re-prime the brass, fill it with the powder charge, then put wax over, it to have a pre-primed charge? Then, all you'd have to do is pop the charge into the barrel, drop some shot with the wad, and you're good to go! That should work, right? If not, why wouldn't it?
Very interesting to know, but I'm kind of lost as to the practical usefulness of this. What are the chances you're going to be in a survival situation and happen to have both primer and black powder? Given, in some areas, with a little know-how you can make black powder. But what are the chances you'll actually be out in the woods and have spare primers instead of spare shells?
I just learned more from you in 14 minutes,than my own father has taught me in a lifetime. Damn good video,I am subscribing.
He shoots rocks!!!!????
I'd be very careful about doing this with any shotgun.
Usually in muzzle loaders the proper procedure is to insert the primer or percussion cap as the last step in loading to effectively prevent discharge while loading. But with this method, you have to have a primed case in the breech as the first step. I'm not very familiar with the different models of single shot shotguns but if the hammer is cocked and you drop the gun and it falls on the hammer that could discharge it among other things.
Dave, don't you want to run your steel wool the other way thru the barrel, pull the crap away from the chamber instead of pulling the garbage into the chamber area? Great nugget of knowledge in this video, I will keep it for the years after after we cease to be a country. For now I think my Marlin Papoose and vacuum packed 22 ammo will have to do. Thank-you Dave for sharing your knowledge with us.
@Sktrtrsh yes, you can do this with any shotgun shell. as for the .45 colt, he already has a .410/.45 colt adapter.
I wonder how hard it would be to convert a shell into a bp primer nipple? You can make your own BP primers with coke cans and toy caps if you could convert one it would make it quicker to work that way and add a valuable option not only to the gun in the video but all the NEF/Rossi matched pair guns. This is an awesome video, thank you for what you are doing.
While I would never consider using these techniques (black powder, I am unlikely to get my hands of powder and primers if I cant get loaded ammunition where I am) I do appreciate the thought and effort the poster has put into this video and his skills. Regardless of if you think something is 'useful' or 'applicable' to you, you have to give credit to people who have actually gone to the effort to come up with a well thought out plan or system for something they find worthwhile.
i watched this video about 5 weeks ago,i went and bought one in 20 gauge for rabbit hunting.i had all the stuff,been having a blast slaying rabbit.my buddies think its foolish but i call it fun
I use airsoft pellets. They're cheap and don't contaminate meat. Heavy biodegradeable (.36gr) tracer pellets which can be charged up with a laser pointer just prior to loading when using clear plastic shot shell cases.Makes interesting shooting at night.
Very, very versatile indeed! I am going to learn how to make my own powder and percussion caps this winter, after hunting season. I like Goex and Schuetzen, but we never know when production powders and primers may not be available. Dixie Gun Works sells a tool kit for making the primers and a third grader could do it. But the powder is way, way more difficult. Have you ever made your own powder, or know someone that has?
Genious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How often do you have to clean the gun ? After every shot or a few shots with Black Powder? And I guess this 12GA Muzz for a singleshot will work on any single shot shotty?
@tacticalfumble Thats one of the benefits of using a patch, it protects the barrel.
VERY NICE...always like you videos Dave, did you know that u can shoo 20Gage shells from that 12guage. Using a spent 12ga shot shell cut the brass off, then put the crimped end of the 20ga shell into the crimped end of the 12ga. it should center always check to make sure
Great video!
Few concerns:
Usually loading black power and shot comes before the primer. Its all about safety, isolating the source of ignition before charging is the safest way.
How can this work with the most common types of shotguns? (pump or possibly semi)
ALSO:
Are you using a rifled barrel? I am assuming not for shot, but for a slug, is a refiled barrel recommended?
Instead of cloth between powder and shot, use old hornet hive, it is vary much like paper, it will cushion the impact of the powder on the shot, so it does not spread as wide as fast.
@tblbaby I don't see why not use the whole shell again, to hold the shot. If you had wax or heavy lard to hold the shot in or recrimp the plastic? Guess you could heat it & reform it if nothing else worked.
Your video is excellent. You can make your own powder in a pinch if you can find the elements & that's a new chance to use a fire arm if there is no smokeless around.
Good thinking going into cleaning, because black powder will absolutely ruin the gun if you don't get on cleaning it after.
Great video certainly taught me some new things and shows you a few items to keep handy in creating a good hunting bag...as they say learn something new everyday
I tried it in 410 shotgun shooting a 375 patched round ball .qafter about 4 shots it fouled up so bad the action would not close completely . ib had 2 miss fires I thought at first i broke the firing pin but after further inspection I realized it was because of the fouling . I gave it a good cleaning. these guns were not intended for shooting black powder , just thought i would let you know.
Yes, just extract the brass with spent primer after making the shot and drop in a full shell and back to normal. The only thing I could see that might be a problem is any powder fouling residue left in the chamber that might interfere with sliding in a new shell. Simple solution would be to take a rag and wipe out the chamber before dropping in the new shell. GTG.
Wow,i never realized all the things you can do with these single barrel shotguns. Very cool.
What are the chances that the patching material will catch the dry leaves on fire? Would greasing the patches increase or decrease the chance of a leaf/grass fire?
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dave, this is an awesome video brother, this same shotguns been sitting in my closet for months cause its been replaced with a pump shotgun, this def makes me want to pull it out and give her a new spin on things. thanks man!
@lolworld2012 every gun shop i've walked into you can pick up a single shot for cheaper then a pump, sometimes even find a side by side for cheaper then a pump.
Dave I was wondering if a single shot 20ga is a good survival firearm
You're fine