@ahmienyaa I've seen studies and possibly even a mention of this in a video on this channel, but I believe there is a common (but not universal) phenomenon of muscular hypertrophy after limb lengthening as a result of the muscles being stretched and forced back into a state of flux and adaptation. Allegedly, if you take advantage of it via leg exercises like squats (carefully, obviously), you can noticeably beef up your legs - sometimes even more so than you normally would have without LL. The National Library of Medicine has an article on it, and there are others I believe, if you Google for them: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9167625/
Bro I wish I could get this surgery done but I'm too poor to afford this. You are so lucky! Can you tell me a little bit about your experience and maybe some tips for me if I ever do get it someday? I would really appreciate.
I would like to do my femurs first, but the issue I am most worried about is proportion & aesthetics, a femur that's longer than normal looks so out of place, but I feel like a tibia that's a bit longer than normal can still look aesthetically pleasing from the outside than a longer femur, what do you think?
Yeah if proportions are your biggest concern you should think about that before proceeding. I think femurs usually look fine though especially with clothes
@@Cyborg4Life I read that you should not go over a ratio of 0.8 for tibia/femur (measured via x rays) as a larger ratio is associated with patellar pain and hip arthritis. Can you do a video on that and give us more info? thank you
I agree! I think slightly larger tibias are better to deal with than larger femurs and short tibias. If I were to do this, I would want to do both segments at different times, and I would start with the tibias in case I could only do one segment, because I could forgo doing the femurs and it would still be fine, but if I started with the femurs I would feel obligated to do the tibias anyway because it would look weird not to do it.
I'm consulting with Paley about the quadrilateral, not really because of time but I'm concerned about staying mechanically proportional. Just concerned about overlengthening my femurs then having an issue when it comes to lengthening the tibia or vice versa and being stuck. Overall max 4in 1st go because of muscles. They then offer the option to rebreak, leaving original rods and continue a bit over a year later for max gains.....overall it's basically the most expensive option doing that..... Does it sound overkill?
@@Cyborg4Life bro but what to say if someone asked how ur height increased so fast?? because the place i come from such things are such a big taboo, but i want to get into movie and modeling so i need to do it im just 172 right now so have to get to 182 atleast
I am somewhere between 5'8" & 5'9", I would like to add anywhere between 3 - 3.5inches, do you think that's feasible? and if it is how long do you think it would take me to do the surgery and recover if I first do 1.5 inches on the tibia and later do 2.0 inches on the femur
Bro, 3 inches is HALF of the usual length most people achieve. Very realistic and you will be back to full mobility almost twice as fast as most leg lengthening patients.
3 to 3.5 inches is such a small amount to use quadrilateral lengthening for (many people achieve this on femurs alone) that you could easily do simultaneous quad lengthening without even straining yourself and be done lengthening in like 2 months (very short time for LL). Although some might argue quad is overkill for this, I would argue two major virtues: One, both the lengthening and healing times will be _very_ fast as far as most LL surgeries are concerned. Two, you'll retain excellent proportions. So if money is no issue, I think this is a great idea (I would go for ~3.5 inches, as that would put you right at a nice solid 6ft!).
@@jakemuler6952 This has been done many times. Generally you can get a "safe" maximum of 13cm total, and it's generally best to space out the lengthening surgeries by a few months, but yeah you can get over 5 inches total (8cm on femur and 5cm on tibia).
Thinking about it id prefer to Lengthen both of the bones at the same time because i don't know how i would be able to experience the same excruciating pain 2 times in a row instead just going through it all in 1 go to never experience that pain again.
I read on Google Internet she spend 165k usd to go LL process and she regret everything even after he finish limb lengthening journey 14cm total she do with so many complications afterwards arise maybe you can help me to talk about this I really 3 want to do it want to be taller no matter what
Hi Cyborg, thanks for all the great content. Can you give us information on regional anesthesia through catheter as a possible way to spare opiate pain management use. Pros and cons of both. thank you
@@Cyborg4Life Thank you. I'm sure you prolly had it on the burner, or maybe you have videos about it already, but it would be nice if it hasn't been done already to make a video. Here is an ncbi article: but it's very wordy. but could be a good start reference: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7083638/ I'm just curious to know if the practice is becoming more mainstream.
I've watched a lot of your leg lengthening videos and something isnt adding up. If this surgery does work out most of the time if you have a good surgeon and if you focus on good recovery like you've stated many times, then why are there absolutely ZERO celebrities doing this? Especially shorter actors who definitely have the money for it and who can pick the top surgeons. Why aren't rich short celebrities JUMPING at this opportunity to get taller? NO FAMOUS PEOPLE are doing this except for like one or two who aren't very known. I feel like they know something we don't, like it doesn't work well for long term or something. What do you think Cyborg? Why do famous people avoid this surgery?
Celebrities? Yeah because of the stigma most likely. We have clinics that are making a mockery of this surgery and butchering patients. A lot of them probably have thought it's interesting but their PR and brand are their livelihoods so until it's made more mainstream they won't tell you if they did do it. That's my take anyways
You think celebs are some kind of geniuses who "know things we don't?" The same vapid celebs who pump their faces full of filler like Tom Cruise, Zac Efron, and numerous women? And all the celebs abusing Ozempic despite its obvious and well-known dangers and risks? No. It's just that if a celeb is short, then that shortness is a part of their brand and their image, and they have to maintain that or face a lot of criticism and likely damage their brand. There's just too much negative messaging and stereotyping about LL right now. Plus, there actually _is_ one male celeb who did do LL recently - just Google for "Rich Rotella limb lengthening." Eventually I suspect it will gain popularity, but for now, we're just early to the party is all.
They probably don't care enough about it, because if it really bothered them, they would've done it years ago. This, and if any celebrity did do LL, then it's safe to say nobody knows about it.
Yes, but not by a lot, and generally only the upper arms because like the tibia/fibula, the forearm is a combination of two bones that work delicately in tandem for rotating your wrists/hands and lengthening them screws everything all up (plus they tend to be smaller and thinner than upper arm bones IIRC, making them more difficult to lengthen).
My tibia are already more than 90% of the same length as my femur, I'd just go with my femur lol. I wouldn't aim for more than 5-6 cm anyway - but not sure if I have the balls to do it 😂
Hello Victor, I have a question. If I do not want to have the second surgery to block the nail with the screws, how many months do I have to wait to remove the fixator if I want to lengthen 4cm?
I want to do humerus arm lenghtening I heard that in the states they do this surgery with $87500 and I can lenght your arm like 6 cm I wonder if doing that will affect my fighiting performance in mma
@@Mohammed-h2v8r LOL my comment was automatically deleted because I said a "bad" word about these doctors. I didn't delete it. Something shady is going on. I think there are trigger words that automatically silent you. Anyways. Just look it up on LL forum. You'll see.
hello sir, I wanna have 10 cm added to my height..but i am really conscious of my proportions..like should i do tibia or femur? (i have a long torso and long arms)..which one will be aesthetically pleasing? (am gonna have just 1 surgery on either tibia or femur) kindly replyy byyeeee
I guess it depends on your current proportions. My tibia are quite long compared to my femur (ratio of 0.91) so getting deep is super easy for me. Lengthening my femurs to get to a ratio of the average of 0.8 would make it harder to go as deep but I don't think going below parallel would be a major issue. At any rate, your body can adapt eventually, it's not certain it'll be a big deal
They've been trying to use this kind of thing to cure hair loss by stimulating follicle regeneration for like, literally decades now. Still hasn't happened, and likely not happening any time in the next decade, for hair or for limb growth or for anything else. It's a sci-fi pipe dream for the foreseeable future, sadly. Start saving up money for limb lengthening, and work on your pain tolerance.
@@VisionQuest057 i it's all cause of ethical reasons, i hate it too much, here in Iraq u can get forearm lengthing and even fingers lengthing by proofs (russian), i wish they continue process here
quad lengthening is VERY risky. I cannot believe that you left that part out dude. Most surgeons will NOT do this. This is not safe. Why are you not talking about this part? You lose credibility when you omit vital information. And what experience do you have to talk about Quadrilateral lengthening? Reguritating info on the internet?
Lol it's very simple when done with with a good surgeon. Not easy by any means but I've talked about this countless times in my livestreams and other quadrilateral videos so yeah I've got my bases covered and then some. Apparently you're new here and haven't got this done but I know several patients who have and I know what I'm talking about. The point of the video was to answer a common question as are many of my videos so that I can direct the same question to this video. Thanks and have a good day ; )
@@Cyborg4Life i do know a thing or two about this bud. Currently undergoing LL. No surgeon can I spoke to do this. It's risky. You are creating multiple fractures and it's no game. It is definitely not simple. Disagree.
Congrats! You're just one patient though. I've spoken to hundreds and many quad patients do admit it's hard but it's a hard surgery lol. Never said it's easy just simple. Where are you getting it done by the way? That may clarify things
i did it, 10cm from 167 to 177! it was one of the best things i ever did, At 22
did you do only one segment?
Congratulations, I’m having mine done soon.
@ahmienyaa I've seen studies and possibly even a mention of this in a video on this channel, but I believe there is a common (but not universal) phenomenon of muscular hypertrophy after limb lengthening as a result of the muscles being stretched and forced back into a state of flux and adaptation. Allegedly, if you take advantage of it via leg exercises like squats (carefully, obviously), you can noticeably beef up your legs - sometimes even more so than you normally would have without LL. The National Library of Medicine has an article on it, and there are others I believe, if you Google for them: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9167625/
Same here man, same height now and no regrets.
Answer these questions man.
How long did recovery take? One or two segments?
Happy for you though..
I did 8cm on tibias the last summer, from 171 to 179 and man.... The best feeling ever... Im 100% right now
Hi there i am happy for you brother can you run right now
Bro I wish I could get this surgery done but I'm too poor to afford this. You are so lucky! Can you tell me a little bit about your experience and maybe some tips for me if I ever do get it someday? I would really appreciate.
@@Rye-jl2fk me too where are you from
Love these short videos !
I would like to do my femurs first, but the issue I am most worried about is proportion & aesthetics, a femur that's longer than normal looks so out of place, but I feel like a tibia that's a bit longer than normal can still look aesthetically pleasing from the outside than a longer femur, what do you think?
Yeah if proportions are your biggest concern you should think about that before proceeding. I think femurs usually look fine though especially with clothes
@@Cyborg4Life I read that you should not go over a ratio of 0.8 for tibia/femur (measured via x rays) as a larger ratio is associated with patellar pain and hip arthritis. Can you do a video on that and give us more info? thank you
I agree! I think slightly larger tibias are better to deal with than larger femurs and short tibias. If I were to do this, I would want to do both segments at different times, and I would start with the tibias in case I could only do one segment, because I could forgo doing the femurs and it would still be fine, but if I started with the femurs I would feel obligated to do the tibias anyway because it would look weird not to do it.
I'm consulting with Paley about the quadrilateral, not really because of time but I'm concerned about staying mechanically proportional. Just concerned about overlengthening my femurs then having an issue when it comes to lengthening the tibia or vice versa and being stuck. Overall max 4in 1st go because of muscles. They then offer the option to rebreak, leaving original rods and continue a bit over a year later for max gains.....overall it's basically the most expensive option doing that..... Does it sound overkill?
I don't know, it's a very difficult surgery for someone to undergo twice. How tall are you now and what is your goal?
I want to get 10 cm in total. 6cm femur and 4cm tibia, I want to do tibia first and then femur after 2 or 3 years, how does that sound?
Sounds reasonable enough to me
@@Cyborg4Life bro but what to say if someone asked how ur height increased so fast?? because the place i come from such things are such a big taboo, but i want to get into movie and modeling so i need to do it im just 172 right now so have to get to 182 atleast
Just tell them you did some grow taller videos.... Or you are a late bloomer @@Fe-ironman
@@DestinyAbraham-k4x yea but not doing that shit now....im ok with my height actually
Tell them you hit the gym for height or do stretches
I am somewhere between 5'8" & 5'9", I would like to add anywhere between 3 - 3.5inches, do you think that's feasible?
and if it is how long do you think it would take me to do the surgery and recover if I first do 1.5 inches on the tibia and later do 2.0 inches on the femur
Bro, 3 inches is HALF of the usual length most people achieve. Very realistic and you will be back to full mobility almost twice as fast as most leg lengthening patients.
3 to 3.5 inches is such a small amount to use quadrilateral lengthening for (many people achieve this on femurs alone) that you could easily do simultaneous quad lengthening without even straining yourself and be done lengthening in like 2 months (very short time for LL). Although some might argue quad is overkill for this, I would argue two major virtues: One, both the lengthening and healing times will be _very_ fast as far as most LL surgeries are concerned. Two, you'll retain excellent proportions. So if money is no issue, I think this is a great idea (I would go for ~3.5 inches, as that would put you right at a nice solid 6ft!).
@VisionQuest057
Agreed. Proportions vary a lot from person to person - unless we're talking about extreme cases, no one will notice anyway.
@@VisionQuest057 is it possible to lengthen 12 cm with quadrilateral like 2/4 weeks surgeries apart
@@jakemuler6952 This has been done many times. Generally you can get a "safe" maximum of 13cm total, and it's generally best to space out the lengthening surgeries by a few months, but yeah you can get over 5 inches total (8cm on femur and 5cm on tibia).
Thinking about it id prefer to Lengthen both of the bones at the same time because i don't know how i would be able to experience the same excruciating pain 2 times in a row instead just going through it all in 1 go to never experience that pain again.
I read on Google Internet she spend 165k usd to go LL process and she regret everything even after he finish limb lengthening journey 14cm total she do with so many complications afterwards arise maybe you can help me to talk about this I really 3 want to do it want to be taller no matter what
Yeah where'd she go? Possibly overlengthened. 14cm all at once?
Hi Cyborg, thanks for all the great content. Can you give us information on regional anesthesia through catheter as a possible way to spare opiate pain management use. Pros and cons of both. thank you
I would have to ask a surgeon next time
@@Cyborg4Life Thank you. I'm sure you prolly had it on the burner, or maybe you have videos about it already, but it would be nice if it hasn't been done already to make a video. Here is an ncbi article: but it's very wordy. but could be a good start reference: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7083638/ I'm just curious to know if the practice is becoming more mainstream.
@@Cyborg4Life here is another interesting document: www.ouh.nhs.uk/patient-guide/leaflets/files/11026Pblocks.pdf
I did tibias first (7.2cm)...and didn't let them heal first. Would've been much better to let it heal first. 100%
Hey Brian, how are you doing? And your legs?
Sou seu fã braian. 🇧🇷 espero que você se recupere 100% para a nossa comunidade ter mais confiança nesse processo de alongamento
Can we talk please... I need your help
I've watched a lot of your leg lengthening videos and something isnt adding up. If this surgery does work out most of the time if you have a good surgeon and if you focus on good recovery like you've stated many times, then why are there absolutely ZERO celebrities doing this? Especially shorter actors who definitely have the money for it and who can pick the top surgeons. Why aren't rich short celebrities JUMPING at this opportunity to get taller? NO FAMOUS PEOPLE are doing this except for like one or two who aren't very known. I feel like they know something we don't, like it doesn't work well for long term or something. What do you think Cyborg? Why do famous people avoid this surgery?
Wondering the same
Because they are celebrities. They get judged for everything.
Celebrities? Yeah because of the stigma most likely. We have clinics that are making a mockery of this surgery and butchering patients. A lot of them probably have thought it's interesting but their PR and brand are their livelihoods so until it's made more mainstream they won't tell you if they did do it. That's my take anyways
You think celebs are some kind of geniuses who "know things we don't?" The same vapid celebs who pump their faces full of filler like Tom Cruise, Zac Efron, and numerous women? And all the celebs abusing Ozempic despite its obvious and well-known dangers and risks? No. It's just that if a celeb is short, then that shortness is a part of their brand and their image, and they have to maintain that or face a lot of criticism and likely damage their brand. There's just too much negative messaging and stereotyping about LL right now. Plus, there actually _is_ one male celeb who did do LL recently - just Google for "Rich Rotella limb lengthening." Eventually I suspect it will gain popularity, but for now, we're just early to the party is all.
They probably don't care enough about it, because if it really bothered them, they would've done it years ago.
This, and if any celebrity did do LL, then it's safe to say nobody knows about it.
Brother can share us the best, safest and budget friendly country to limb lengthening?
If I lengthen both femurs and tibias, how would would it take to recover, or at least to walk again? Can it be done in one year?
Hard to say for specific case but it would typically take patients having lengthened
Which country u r from...? sir...nd where is your clinic?
Can the arms also be lengthened? Because if I wanted to undergo surgery I think my wingspan would be a little short.
dont think arms are worth lengthening
Yes, but not by a lot, and generally only the upper arms because like the tibia/fibula, the forearm is a combination of two bones that work delicately in tandem for rotating your wrists/hands and lengthening them screws everything all up (plus they tend to be smaller and thinner than upper arm bones IIRC, making them more difficult to lengthen).
No one notices stuff like that.
Don't do it. It's not worth it. Seriously.
Don't even think about it. People won't notice. People don't notice short arms.
My tibia are already more than 90% of the same length as my femur, I'd just go with my femur lol. I wouldn't aim for more than 5-6 cm anyway - but not sure if I have the balls to do it 😂
Hello Victor, I have a question. If I do not want to have the second surgery to block the nail with the screws, how many months do I have to wait to remove the fixator if I want to lengthen 4cm?
Hmmm the surgeon would need to check your bone for healing so it would depend on you but usually 7-8 months for femurs and sometimes 11 for tibias
I want to do humerus arm lenghtening I heard that in the states they do this surgery with $87500 and I can lenght your arm like 6 cm I wonder if doing that will affect my fighiting performance in mma
It could
@@Cyborg4Life Son lengthening my arms and legs it could end my mixed martial arts career ?
@@tylerkennzxI would not get this surgery if you do any intense physical training or sports. Especially mma.
can you make videos how we can we finanace it in usa ?
I have one here - ruclips.net/video/24MEeKSIVNA/видео.html
What is the best clinic of the world like the safest even if it cost a lot to do quadrilateral precise and gain 13-15cm in one surgery ?
Depends on your budget but there are handful of great clinics
@@Cyborg4Life give me the best clinic even if it’s high budget
Can you do a video best clinics in turkey
It might be phrased a bit different than the "best" but something like that...
@@Luna-ux9by You mean livelifetaller clinic?
@@Mohammed-h2v8r Yeah, I heard they threatened to sue patients who spoke up about being butchered
Maybe look it up on LL forum
@@Mohammed-h2v8r I tried replying to you but my comments are disappearing
@@Mohammed-h2v8r LOL my comment was automatically deleted because I said a "bad" word about these doctors. I didn't delete it. Something shady is going on. I think there are trigger words that automatically silent you.
Anyways. Just look it up on LL forum. You'll see.
hello sir,
I wanna have 10 cm added to my height..but i am really conscious of my proportions..like should i do tibia or femur? (i have a long torso and long arms)..which one will be aesthetically pleasing? (am gonna have just 1 surgery on either tibia or femur)
kindly replyy
byyeeee
Both limb segments
To me, do it on one leg and do 3cm and then go to the other leg too
Is doing fully 8 cm feumers prevent or limit Squat ability ?
It could yes
I guess it depends on your current proportions. My tibia are quite long compared to my femur (ratio of 0.91) so getting deep is super easy for me. Lengthening my femurs to get to a ratio of the average of 0.8 would make it harder to go as deep but I don't think going below parallel would be a major issue. At any rate, your body can adapt eventually, it's not certain it'll be a big deal
Please can you talk about stem cells research to reactivate growth plate
They've been trying to use this kind of thing to cure hair loss by stimulating follicle regeneration for like, literally decades now. Still hasn't happened, and likely not happening any time in the next decade, for hair or for limb growth or for anything else. It's a sci-fi pipe dream for the foreseeable future, sadly. Start saving up money for limb lengthening, and work on your pain tolerance.
@@VisionQuest057 i it's all cause of ethical reasons, i hate it too much, here in Iraq u can get forearm lengthing and even fingers lengthing by proofs (russian), i wish they continue process here
There's some new research on this. I'm looking into it
@@Cyborg4Life Ooooh, I'd love to hear about it if you come across some video-worthy facts!
@@VisionQuest057 hair cloning is not a pipe dream, Stemson th is working on this topic seriously
Another year without pmax… starting to think that paley is full of lies
Actually I have news tonight. It will be back sooner than you think
@@Cyborg4Life cudos!
I already have longer legs. I don't know what to do
Become an even longer boi
?
Choose aesthetics over height or vice versa and take a decision from that, it really depends on what's more important to you
Get quadrilateral lengthening, then after a few years when you heal, do it again. Go for 30 cm total gains
I'm 170 with comparatively longer legs and they look good proportionally.
If i go in either segment it might look horrible
quad lengthening is VERY risky. I cannot believe that you left that part out dude. Most surgeons will NOT do this. This is not safe. Why are you not talking about this part? You lose credibility when you omit vital information. And what experience do you have to talk about Quadrilateral lengthening? Reguritating info on the internet?
Lol it's very simple when done with with a good surgeon. Not easy by any means but I've talked about this countless times in my livestreams and other quadrilateral videos so yeah I've got my bases covered and then some. Apparently you're new here and haven't got this done but I know several patients who have and I know what I'm talking about. The point of the video was to answer a common question as are many of my videos so that I can direct the same question to this video. Thanks and have a good day ; )
@@Cyborg4Life i do know a thing or two about this bud. Currently undergoing LL. No surgeon can I spoke to do this. It's risky. You are creating multiple fractures and it's no game. It is definitely not simple. Disagree.
Congrats! You're just one patient though. I've spoken to hundreds and many quad patients do admit it's hard but it's a hard surgery lol. Never said it's easy just simple. Where are you getting it done by the way? That may clarify things
@@Cyborg4LifeHey ✌🏻 I wanted to get it done by Live Life Taller are they good and trustworthy? Would be great to get your opinion on this