"here if you have even a drop of Mordovian blood, you're a Mordvin". I'm quarter a Erzya Mordvin, so that means I'm a Mordvin by their standarts? That's actually pretty cool. I must go to Russia sometime and visit the Mordovian republic just to learn a bit more about this most obscure part of my heritage.
My guess is, if you are famous and have some distant connection to a certain relatively obscure nation, they will gladly claim you. I am half Erzya. I don’t expect a warm welcome if I ever visit as I am not famous for anything. Although, my dog thinks I am a goddess.
da-da, i belye amerikantzy menya vychislyayut tut zhe, kogda ya govoryu, chto russkiy, oni mne - da ladno, ty smotrish'sya kak finn, a mne-to, ya ved' znayu, chto ya ruskiy:)
ETHNIC RUSSIANS PLEASE READ: Multiple DNA studies have shown that most Russians carry Finnic DNA (see haplogroup N, just one example), most of these in the Russian language, also. This only makes sense by intuition; what became Muscovy (Moskva is a word of Finnic origin, by the way) was originally multiple Volga Finnic tribes, and what became Novgorod was populated by Baltic Finns, Komi, and Nenets. Slavic tribes and Swedes moved here and definitely intermarried with the indigenous population. This also continues to this day, which is why Finno-Ugric populations are 'decreasing,' but in reality they are just beginning to consider themselves Russian (русский). Turkic and Siberian populations also married with Finnic peoples, see Volga Tatars, for example.This is why Russians, according to like every major genetic study, are so much different than any other Slavic group. Russian has become its own unique ethnic identity primarily composing of Finnic and Slavic DNA, with some Turkic, Siberian, or Germanic admixture depending on individuals or region. And of course, the 'most Finnic' Russians will be found in the north (of Moscow), as expected. So please, Russians, STOP acting like you and Finnish peoples (Moksha, Erzya, Mari, Vepsians, Karelians, Komi, Udmurt, Estonians, Finns, Sami) and to a lesser extent Ugric-Samoyedic peoples and Volga Turkic peoples (Chuvash, Kazan Tatars, Bashkirs) are so dramatically different, because while you're not the same, you're really NOT that different. It's not bad to be Finno-Ugric, it's unique and cool. Don't believe me? Just read through a few of these links: www.novgorod.ru/read/information/history/clauses/ethnography/secrecy_gene/ www.business-gazeta.ru/article/360699 www.business-gazeta.ru/article/360699 www.gumilev-center.ru/lico-russkojj-nacionalnosti/ russian7.ru/post/yavlyayutsya-li-russkie-finno-ugrami/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22520580 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/
Ro not lie. Majority of Russians do have Indo-Aryan R1a haplogroup. You are being ridiculous because less than quarter of Russians do have N1 haplogroup. Moskva was named after river on conquered eatern territories of Russia. St. Petersburg former capital of the Russian Empire was named Peterburh in Netherlandish naval style. It does not make Petersburg Netherland. The same Missipi state was named after Native American tribe what do you want to say.
@@Boyar300AV Finno-Ugric speakers also had R1a because (despite what many people think) proto-Uralic is a language that postdates PIE and also R1a-CTS1211 had expanded before the Slavic expansions with other groups, IE and non-IE.
They arent our ancestors. We finns settled in finland thousands of years ago and separated from these far off tribes in russia even before swedish and farsi was the same language
Very interesting! The beautiful costumes and needlework are most impressive. I enjoy your channel so much and all the videos are well done. Thank you for helping me appreciate and understand your history, traditions and wonderful peoples.
Why do the Mordvins speak only Russian? I would like to hear how their language sounds. I think that the process of russification is unfortunately irreversible. The Russian expansionism still continues.
They are threeligual. Something that is not offiacialy allowed for minorities in UK and other western countries. "Moksha is one of the three official languages in Mordovia (the others being Erzya and Russian). The right to one's own language is guaranteed by the Constitution of the Mordovia Republic.[5] The republican law of Mordovia N 19-3 issued in 1998[6] declares Moksha one of its state languages and regulates its usage in various spheres: in state bodies such as Mordovian Parliament, official documents and seals, education, mass-media, information about goods, geographical names, road signs. However, the actual usage of Moksha and Erzya is rather limited."
@@tamjansan1154 The road signs, etc. do not save a minority language. Do speak the Russians of Mordovia the Moksha language? Is the Moksha language tought to Russians in Russian schools of Mordovia? As far as the Russian "immigrants" do not use and accept the local language in communication with the natives the survival of the language is not guaranteed in long term.
@@tamjansan1154 It is not important. My experience as a member of a linguistic minority is that during the last 40 years in my native village the assimilation by the "state forming nation" resulted in a decrease from 80 % to less than 40 % of our community. As with many minorities in Russia the future is for the minorities only as an exposition object in a museum: some folksongs, dances, etc...
Does anyone know how did the Erzya end up in Siberia, near Barnaul? Кто-нибудь знает как Эрзя оказались в Сибири возле Барнаула? Моя мать родом оттуда. Очень хотелось бы узнать историю заселения края
В 19 веке переселялись мордва на Алтай, есть интересный ролик о Шукшиной, ее предки по отцу тоже с Алтая и мордва по национальности, она искала свою родословную и выяснила что ее предки переселились в 19 веке из самарской губернии на Алтай, в то время многие мордва переселялись в Сибирь на свободные земли !) yandex.ru/video/touch/search?source=tabbar&filmId=14449571494097761939&text=%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%8F%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B0%20%D1%88%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0
@@derlinclaire1778 their genetics are nothing like Finn's though. They are very close to Russians genetically (in fact, indistinguiahable from some Russians) , but very far from Finn's
@@-andreiDNA no, they are different genetically. I can distinquish in most cases a Mordovian from a Russian. And this is one of the reasons for ppl of Mordovia to learn their native languages - in order to resist assimilation
Real Ersi have nothing in common with Asia in aperiance and in culture and they also too far from Russian culture but I fond similarities Ersian Kiel and Suomi Kiel also real Ersi often have a light hair color
I got Mordvin (Moksha) 24.7% from Illustrative DNA and I thought I was karelian. I know results arent accurate but it is weird honestly. Actually I identify as half Finnish and half Karelian.
The languages of moksha people are not very different from Russian or other Slavic people also their costumes and symbolism on the costumes are Slavic.
Moksha language is a completely different from Russian, ask a random Russian-speaker to listen to Moksha language and they don't understand A WORD :) it can sounds familiar for foreigners only because of phonetic (which I believe sounds similar due to close cohabitation and russification of Moksha people), but if you try to learn a little bit more about these languages you'll see there's nothing common in between them. Completely different language groups.
@@stiglitzz4883 Well, i am a random Russian speaker and it sounds like a slavic language by pronounciation. Also their costumes with the red embroidery and other details look very slavic. You can research. Also I have to argue that the symbolism carried on the costumes is strictly set by tradition and can only be inherited. It is a secret ancient language and nothing you just wear because of Russofication. Science is not always right and contradicts itself
@@mindblowing3202 yeah, it can sounds like slavic, but its not. If you research the topic a little, if you simply try to learn the language, you'll find out the differences, it's completely different language. And embroidery, mythological ideas about the creation of the world, the pantheon of gods, everything is authentic and have the connection with other finno Ugric people. And no matter if you think it's slavic, no offense, it's still just your guesses based on your subjective judgments¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@stiglitzz4883 LOL all 13 Slavic countries are wearing these costumes, and you want to tell that they are of finno ugric origin of minorities. I think you've lost all senses for reality. Before calling someone judgmental here is some science for your restricted mind: "The calculation of genetic distances of 55 human populations belonging to four great human races considering loci of proteins, enzymes and blood groups, and construction the dendrogram of these populations distinguished some relationship of German, Slavic and Finnish-Ugric populations. So, Russians are close by genetic distances with Poles, Iranians, Komi, Chuvashes, Udmurtians, Nentses and Ossetians. Germans are close with Serbs, Moldavians, Hungarians, Croatians and Czechs. The calculation of genetic distances of 35 Slavic, Finnish and Germanic populations, and constructing the dendrogram confirmed these results. The ancestors of Russians were migrated from places of first differentiation in Asia across the circumpolar area, and before were lived on the North of Siberia. Ancient German populations were migrated in Europe across the South of Siberia, probably by the same way as Hunnu in future time." www.hilarispublisher.com/open-access/the-genetic-relationships-of-the-slavic-finnishugric-and-germanicpopulations-according-to-anthropological-and-genetical-data-2332-2543-1000143.pdf
3:02 What nonsense, they just have a little more heritage from European farmers, and therefore they look a little more southern, the Turkic tribes have absolutely nothing to do with it
There not good at making documentary. I so want to learn about the ethnic minorities in Russia, but because this suckish documentary that presented by RT, not giving the actual historical facts about the Mordvins, I stop watching the documentary.
"here if you have even a drop of Mordovian blood, you're a Mordvin". I'm quarter a Erzya Mordvin, so that means I'm a Mordvin by their standarts? That's actually pretty cool. I must go to Russia sometime and visit the Mordovian republic just to learn a bit more about this most obscure part of my heritage.
My guess is, if you are famous and have some distant connection to a certain relatively obscure nation, they will gladly claim you. I am half Erzya. I don’t expect a warm welcome if I ever visit as I am not famous for anything. Although, my dog thinks I am a goddess.
My grandfather was Mokshan Mordvin. So that makes me Mordvin from Latvia.
These people are so awesome, I wish other Europeans would bring back some of their old customs that have disappeared in the modern age.
Robert Hall my family is moksha and i love hearing stories from my grandpa and dad growing up in mordva.
@@sammyshin2352 Hello, do most Mordvins look White/European by facial appearance or much more Asian?
@@fethullahdindarol8824 White/European
@@dmitrynesterov8775 okay thanks 👍🏻
I am proud being Erzya, I love my nation, even though I live in USA.
really?
cwiba 21, yes really, what's wrong with it?
da-da, i belye amerikantzy menya vychislyayut tut zhe, kogda ya govoryu, chto russkiy, oni mne - da ladno, ty smotrish'sya kak finn, a mne-to, ya ved' znayu, chto ya ruskiy:)
iskatel39
Nothing wrong with that. By the way, I don't understand russian.
that's cool, and it's really nothing wrong with being a human.
Oh God how much I'd love to go to Mordovia and see my family.
the men have dicks to their knees
ETHNIC RUSSIANS PLEASE READ: Multiple DNA studies have shown that most Russians carry Finnic DNA (see haplogroup N, just one example), most of these in the Russian language, also. This only makes sense by intuition; what became Muscovy (Moskva is a word of Finnic origin, by the way) was originally multiple Volga Finnic tribes, and what became Novgorod was populated by Baltic Finns, Komi, and Nenets. Slavic tribes and Swedes moved here and definitely intermarried with the indigenous population. This also continues to this day, which is why Finno-Ugric populations are 'decreasing,' but in reality they are just beginning to consider themselves Russian (русский). Turkic and Siberian populations also married with Finnic peoples, see Volga Tatars, for example.This is why Russians, according to like every major genetic study, are so much different than any other Slavic group. Russian has become its own unique ethnic identity primarily composing of Finnic and Slavic DNA, with some Turkic, Siberian, or Germanic admixture depending on individuals or region. And of course, the 'most Finnic' Russians will be found in the north (of Moscow), as expected. So please, Russians, STOP acting like you and Finnish peoples (Moksha, Erzya, Mari, Vepsians, Karelians, Komi, Udmurt, Estonians, Finns, Sami) and to a lesser extent Ugric-Samoyedic peoples and Volga Turkic peoples (Chuvash, Kazan Tatars, Bashkirs) are so dramatically different, because while you're not the same, you're really NOT that different. It's not bad to be Finno-Ugric, it's unique and cool.
Don't believe me? Just read through a few of these links:
www.novgorod.ru/read/information/history/clauses/ethnography/secrecy_gene/
www.business-gazeta.ru/article/360699
www.business-gazeta.ru/article/360699
www.gumilev-center.ru/lico-russkojj-nacionalnosti/
russian7.ru/post/yavlyayutsya-li-russkie-finno-ugrami/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22520580
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/
@Russkiy_koshur 1 Iranic and Turkic is for Ukrainians. Russians are pure Balto-Slavs with Finno-Ugric influence
That is not what Kljosv genetic research shows.
Ro not lie. Majority of Russians do have Indo-Aryan R1a haplogroup. You are being ridiculous because less than quarter of Russians do have N1 haplogroup. Moskva was named after river on conquered eatern territories of Russia.
St. Petersburg former capital of the Russian Empire was named Peterburh in Netherlandish naval style. It does not make Petersburg Netherland. The same Missipi state was named after Native American tribe what do you want to say.
@@Boyar300AV Finno-Ugric speakers also had R1a because (despite what many people think) proto-Uralic is a language that postdates PIE and also R1a-CTS1211 had expanded before the Slavic expansions with other groups, IE and non-IE.
Wspaniałe i bardzo ciekawe. Pozdrowienia z Polski ;-)
My ancestors come from Mordovia according to my aunt. And my DNA confirms this. My mom Lithuanian and dad Russian, apparently Mordvin origin
Makes sense, most Russians usually carry Finno-Ugric DNA because Finns are the indigenous people of European Russia.
@@zakhysnyk_vilkh is the other way arround
They are also the ancestors of the Bering Strait Migration to N America from Arctic Russia and Finland.. amazing documentary Thanks!
They arent our ancestors. We finns settled in finland thousands of years ago and separated from these far off tribes in russia even before swedish and farsi was the same language
I really love to learn more about the Mordvins. 💙💙
Very interesting! The beautiful costumes and needlework are most impressive. I enjoy your channel so much and all the videos are well done. Thank you for helping me appreciate and understand your history, traditions and wonderful peoples.
Muy bella nación
I live in US and my mom is Ersya. Im very exciting to watch of this video! So cool
So this may come as a shocker. I did my ancestry/DNA and I have 10 percent Mordvin...interesting
Why do the Mordvins speak only Russian? I would like to hear how their language sounds. I think that the process of russification is unfortunately irreversible. The Russian expansionism still continues.
They are threeligual. Something that is not offiacialy allowed for minorities in UK and other western countries.
"Moksha is one of the three official languages in Mordovia (the others being Erzya and Russian). The right to one's own language is guaranteed by the Constitution of the Mordovia Republic.[5] The republican law of Mordovia N 19-3 issued in 1998[6] declares Moksha one of its state languages and regulates its usage in various spheres: in state bodies such as Mordovian Parliament, official documents and seals, education, mass-media, information about goods, geographical names, road signs. However, the actual usage of Moksha and Erzya is rather limited."
@@tamjansan1154 The road signs, etc. do not save a minority language. Do speak the Russians of Mordovia the Moksha language? Is the Moksha language tought to Russians in Russian schools of Mordovia? As far as the Russian "immigrants" do not use and accept the local language in communication with the natives the survival of the language is not guaranteed in long term.
@@viliamsinka34 Where are you from ?
@@tamjansan1154 It is not important. My experience as a member of a linguistic minority is that during the last 40 years in my native village the assimilation by the "state forming nation" resulted in a decrease from 80 % to less than 40 % of our community. As with many minorities in Russia the future is for the minorities only as an exposition object in a museum: some folksongs, dances, etc...
"The Russian expansionism" = XDDDD
Аздан коста неть весюв мордватне саювсть,рузтнынь эмелиньть кенялдыть?
поняла аздан -не знаю .
Незнаю откуда эти мордва взялись,перед русскими типа как у нижаются@@user-kd1qn4ox6g
@@user-kd1qn4ox6g Я не знаю откуда эти мордва взялись, перед русскими типа унижаются
Does anyone know how did the Erzya end up in Siberia, near Barnaul? Кто-нибудь знает как Эрзя оказались в Сибири возле Барнаула? Моя мать родом оттуда. Очень хотелось бы узнать историю заселения края
В 19 веке переселялись мордва на Алтай, есть интересный ролик о Шукшиной, ее предки по отцу тоже с Алтая и мордва по национальности, она искала свою родословную и выяснила что ее предки переселились в 19 веке из самарской губернии на Алтай, в то время многие мордва переселялись в Сибирь на свободные земли !)
yandex.ru/video/touch/search?source=tabbar&filmId=14449571494097761939&text=%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%8F%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B0%20%D1%88%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0
насильно переселяли. некоторые бежали с родных мест
Mordvins is Nordfinns it's realy?
Suomi-Türkiye=Turan gretings from Turkey.😉
I found out I'm part
but, but
Mee too crazy
They look like Estonians
Well,just like the Estonians,and Finns,they too are a Finno-Ugric people,friend.Danke schoen,mein lieber Freund,and God bless you.
@@derlinclaire1778 their genetics are nothing like Finn's though.
They are very close to Russians genetically (in fact, indistinguiahable from some Russians) , but very far from Finn's
@@-andreiDNA no, they are different genetically. I can distinquish in most cases a Mordovian from a Russian. And this is one of the reasons for ppl of Mordovia to learn their native languages - in order to resist assimilation
@@-andreiDNA Russians and Finns aren't that far away from one another in terms of genetics...
@@zakhysnyk_vilkh Majority of Russians do have R1a haplogroup.
where can i find the original video
George Lucas steals ideas from them.
Real Ersi have nothing in common with Asia in aperiance and in culture and they also too far from Russian culture but I fond similarities Ersian Kiel and Suomi Kiel also real Ersi often have a light hair color
I got Mordvin (Moksha) 24.7% from Illustrative DNA and I thought I was karelian. I know results arent accurate but it is weird honestly. Actually I identify as half Finnish and half Karelian.
Now you can add a quarter Mordvin to the list.
The languages of moksha people are not very different from Russian or other Slavic people also their costumes and symbolism on the costumes are Slavic.
Moksha language is a completely different from Russian, ask a random Russian-speaker to listen to Moksha language and they don't understand A WORD :) it can sounds familiar for foreigners only because of phonetic (which I believe sounds similar due to close cohabitation and russification of Moksha people), but if you try to learn a little bit more about these languages you'll see there's nothing common in between them. Completely different language groups.
@@stiglitzz4883 Well, i am a random Russian speaker and it sounds like a slavic language by pronounciation. Also their costumes with the red embroidery and other details look very slavic. You can research. Also I have to argue that the symbolism carried on the costumes is strictly set by tradition and can only be inherited. It is a secret ancient language and nothing you just wear because of Russofication. Science is not always right and contradicts itself
@@mindblowing3202 yeah, it can sounds like slavic, but its not. If you research the topic a little, if you simply try to learn the language, you'll find out the differences, it's completely different language. And embroidery, mythological ideas about the creation of the world, the pantheon of gods, everything is authentic and have the connection with other finno Ugric people. And no matter if you think it's slavic, no offense, it's still just your guesses based on your subjective judgments¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@stiglitzz4883 LOL all 13 Slavic countries are wearing these costumes, and you want to tell that they are of finno ugric origin of minorities. I think you've lost all senses for reality. Before calling someone judgmental here is some science for your restricted mind:
"The calculation of genetic distances of 55 human populations belonging to four great human races considering
loci of proteins, enzymes and blood groups, and construction the dendrogram of these populations distinguished
some relationship of German, Slavic and Finnish-Ugric populations. So, Russians are close by genetic distances
with Poles, Iranians, Komi, Chuvashes, Udmurtians, Nentses and Ossetians. Germans are close with Serbs,
Moldavians, Hungarians, Croatians and Czechs. The calculation of genetic distances of 35 Slavic, Finnish and
Germanic populations, and constructing the dendrogram confirmed these results. The ancestors of Russians were
migrated from places of first differentiation in Asia across the circumpolar area, and before were lived on the North of
Siberia. Ancient German populations were migrated in Europe across the South of Siberia, probably by the same
way as Hunnu in future time."
www.hilarispublisher.com/open-access/the-genetic-relationships-of-the-slavic-finnishugric-and-germanicpopulations-according-to-anthropological-and-genetical-data-2332-2543-1000143.pdf
@@mindblowing3202 and how does that make the moksha language slavic?:)
3:02 What nonsense, they just have a little more heritage from European farmers, and therefore they look a little more southern, the Turkic tribes have absolutely nothing to do with it
Seems like they aren't really into it, only remembering ancient traditions for the tourists.
Off-brand Chuvashia
There not good at making documentary. I so want to learn about the ethnic minorities in Russia, but because this suckish documentary that presented by RT, not giving the actual historical facts about the Mordvins, I stop watching the documentary.
wtf is your problem
Good watch documentaries about Mordovia made in your country.