Certainly a lot of steps involved building one of these small organs but really nothing most people couldn’t do if they wanted to, especially with all the information and explanations provided by your videos. Always look forward to your videos.
Hi Ron, Things are moving along very well with my Senior 20. Bellow are completed and installed into case. Preasure box is finished and installed. Pipe mounting board is completed as per your design with a few adjustments to my particular design. Pipes are assembled, face plate are cut and beveled, tuning plugs are done other then the coverings. I do have one question at this point; did you cut the pipes to their final lengths before you started tuning? I am using your pipe chart that you showed here on your uTube video and used the maximum added lengths per you chart. I want to get a rough tune done on all pipes, then once the pipes are ready for final installation, I'll do the fine tuning. I really can't say how much I appreciate all time you spent on your video. They, as well as you're many replies to my questions, have been invaluable to my project. Once I'm finished, I'll send you final pictures as well as a video of it in action so you can hear the sound. I've been extremely meticulous in regards to every aspect of the build. I know this will become a family heirloom and expect it to last a very long time.
There is a thin piece of lamb skin (suede) around the tuning plug. I used a little talc or chalk for lubricating the lamb skin. Do not use anything containing cornstarch as it could attract bugs. One of my videos on the Senior 20 shows this being installed as well as the block being sized and shaped. There are playlist of all the videos associated with making the organs. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe!
That is what I am referring to as squelch. Squelch in radio terms is an unwanted noise. In this case it would probably best be termed a beat frequency... two (or more) different reflective wave patterns inside the pipe making an unwanted sound (mistuned)... kinda like fingernails on a blackboard... don't do that. :-) With a wind instrument you can produce the same effect by overpowering the reed by blowing too hard or possibly a split reed producing two different notes. Another reason why the pipes need to be voiced and tuned using the air supply from the organ they will actually be played with.
@@RonaldWalters2010 I wrote up Jack Hayward's Circle of Fifths tuning method for harps, which uses the "beat" between two strings nearly in tune to bring them spot on - one's the string you want to tune, the other's either the first (octave) harmonic or the second (fifth). I'm also the low whistle player who first took it into Irish in an impromptu masterclass with Paddy Moloney. The instrument was invented by Finbar Furey, during a time when Brazilian was a fixation, and he simply hadn't done anything trad. So yes, I know overblowing very well, but to get two notes from the same windflow, you'd have to be Bulgarian!
Playing more than one pipe on the small street organ (or on my mini-calliope) can certainly give a better or more pleasing tone and multiple pipes the impression of much more volume. Personally I do not play a musical instrument so I look to the music arrangers for these small organs (with a limited number of pipes) to make their songs as entertaining as possible. What sounds good on a piano keyboard my not be pleasing at all when only the center half or third of the notes are available on these small organs. Obtaining a "beat" or sympathetic vibration or resonance with adjacent strings is one thing but playing one pipe alongside an adjacent pipe is not going to create a sound from the adjacent pipe.... those two pipes played simultaneously could create a harmonic or more pleasing sound. The acoustics of the room vs being played outdoors is another topic. That terrible noise or what I call "squelch" is just that... a terrible noise from a yet improperly voiced or tuned pipe. My videos on the Senior 20 Organ are mainly intended to help people who want to build one of these very entertaining little organs. The man who designed this was a very good organ player but a terrible craftsman and his drawings are incomplete and (for many) difficult to understand.... that is where my videos come into play. Thanks for watching! Please subscribe. That is what keeps this channel going. Ron
i see that your bank of 3 pipes starts at d4 and ends at e4 and the g pipe you tuned first was g5 what is the highest and lowest note in your register??
I don't know anything about midi terms (as yet). This organ has 20 pipes... 20 note (Raffin) scale. All notes sound one octive high (according to the designer). Pipes start at D and end at F. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe!
Certainly a lot of steps involved building one of these small organs but really nothing most people couldn’t do if they wanted to, especially with all the information and explanations provided by your videos. Always look forward to your videos.
This thing needs to be on display in a museum
But... it's a new one. Do you mean like a hands-on discovery science museum or music museum?
Thanks for showing these tuning details. I was able to better understand the process after that.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for watching. Please subscribe.
That is what keeps this channel running.
Ron
Pleased I found you ! I spent a bunch of money sending my Pell 20 for retuning. Now I know how to do it - thanks.
You need a larger reservoir or 4 bellows working in quadrature to get smoother air output. The output surges between bellow strokes.
Great Explanation of Pipe Tuning and Voicing!!
thanks! i found this quite imformative to help me with my pipe organ project
Hi Ron, Things are moving along very well with my Senior 20. Bellow are completed and installed into case. Preasure box is finished and installed. Pipe mounting board is completed as per your design with a few adjustments to my particular design. Pipes are assembled, face plate are cut and beveled, tuning plugs are done other then the coverings. I do have one question at this point; did you cut the pipes to their final lengths before you started tuning? I am using your pipe chart that you showed here on your uTube video and used the maximum added lengths per you chart. I want to get a rough tune done on all pipes, then once the pipes are ready for final installation, I'll do the fine tuning. I really can't say how much I appreciate all time you spent on your video. They, as well as you're many replies to my questions, have been invaluable to my project. Once I'm finished, I'll send you final pictures as well as a video of it in action so you can hear the sound. I've been extremely meticulous in regards to every aspect of the build. I know this will become a family heirloom and expect it to last a very long time.
Such a neat and well explained process.
For the block you used for the tuner, did you use any felt, leather, or cork, to get an airtight seal?
There is a thin piece of lamb skin (suede) around the tuning plug. I used a little talc or chalk for lubricating the lamb skin. Do not use anything containing cornstarch as it could attract bugs. One of my videos on the Senior 20 shows this being installed as well as the block being sized and shaped. There are playlist of all the videos associated with making the organs. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe!
What the heck was producing that soundwave interference pattern? That pipe was producing two different pitches at close frequencies.
That is what I am referring to as squelch. Squelch in radio terms is an unwanted noise. In this case it would probably best be termed a beat frequency... two (or more) different reflective wave patterns inside the pipe making an unwanted sound (mistuned)... kinda like fingernails on a blackboard... don't do that. :-) With a wind instrument you can produce the same effect by overpowering the reed by blowing too hard or possibly a split reed producing two different notes. Another reason why the pipes need to be voiced and tuned using the air supply from the organ they will actually be played with.
@@RonaldWalters2010 I wrote up Jack Hayward's Circle of Fifths tuning method for harps, which uses the "beat" between two strings nearly in tune to bring them spot on - one's the string you want to tune, the other's either the first (octave) harmonic or the second (fifth).
I'm also the low whistle player who first took it into Irish in an impromptu masterclass with Paddy Moloney. The instrument was invented by Finbar Furey, during a time when Brazilian was a fixation, and he simply hadn't done anything trad. So yes, I know overblowing very well, but to get two notes from the same windflow, you'd have to be Bulgarian!
Playing more than one pipe on the small street organ (or on my mini-calliope) can certainly give a better or more pleasing tone and multiple pipes the impression of much more volume. Personally I do not play a musical instrument so I look to the music arrangers for these small organs (with a limited number of pipes) to make their songs as entertaining as possible. What sounds good on a piano keyboard my not be pleasing at all when only the center half or third of the notes are available on these small organs.
Obtaining a "beat" or sympathetic vibration or resonance with adjacent strings is one thing but playing one pipe alongside an adjacent pipe is not going to create a sound from the adjacent pipe.... those two pipes played simultaneously could create a harmonic or more pleasing sound. The acoustics of the room vs being played outdoors is another topic.
That terrible noise or what I call "squelch" is just that... a terrible noise from a yet improperly voiced or tuned pipe.
My videos on the Senior 20 Organ are mainly intended to help people who want to build one of these very entertaining little organs. The man who designed this was a very good organ player but a terrible craftsman and his drawings are incomplete and (for many) difficult to understand.... that is where my videos come into play.
Thanks for watching! Please subscribe.
That is what keeps this channel going.
Ron
Thumbnail looks like you are going to grill a bunch of hot dogs
what octaves does your organ cover in midi terms (a4 being 440hz)
i see that your bank of 3 pipes starts at d4 and ends at e4 and the g pipe you tuned first was g5 what is the highest and lowest note in your register??
I don't know anything about midi terms (as yet). This organ has 20 pipes... 20 note (Raffin) scale. All notes sound one octive high (according to the designer). Pipes start at D and end at F. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe!