This speaks to a larger problem within the US. Everybody wants the benefits of publicly funded infrastructure, but nobody wants to pay for it, and nobody wants to pay for it while it is getting built and cannot be immediately used. So our infrastructure ages and decays past the point of being unusable, then the same people complain about that too.
There's a joke that goes like: "The problems of a private electric grid is so large it must be heavily regulated. The problems of a heavily regulated electric gtid is so large it must be nationalized. The problems of a nationalized grid are so large it must be privatized."
It's not true that nobody wants to pay for it. The boomers and the rich people that have all of the influence on legislation don't want to pay for it but largely the people that want to use the services want it and will be willing to pay for it.
As someone who has spent the past 20yrs or so working in a small city Gov,.. this is very very true. Everyone seems to want the BMW lifestyle for the Toyota Corolla price. But it dont work like that.
I live in a high humidity location. I have looked at building a solar powered dehumidifier pulling water from the air into a water tower. It would require adding minerals for drinkability, but could provide 100+ gallons of water daily. Water solutions will end up being location specific as we get more and more efficient with water management.
I do that on a small scale ! My portable indoor air conditioner has condensation duct, and it drips out almost 10 litres of water each day. I just collect that in a bucket & wash dishes with that water :-)
Be cautious with Airconditioner water as it may contain pathogens as it forms in a moist environment inside your home that reaches room temperature when the unit is off.
Not really, Israel water supply is 80% desalinate water, and generats less than 3% renewable energy. Renewable energy is damaging the environment, costly and unstable. You can play with this is California, not in a country that can't afford expensive, fashion.
@@ashercohen5034 "Renewable energy is damaging the environment, " not really. "not in a country that can't afford expensive, fashion." have you not payed attention for the last decade? Solar power had become the cheapest form of Energy.
@@MusikCassette Well, it's useless debate, you don't have the proper knowledge and there is no way to show you the data. Just a few questions, how polluting is the manufacturing of solar panels? There is no recycling of these panels, huge source of heavy metals pollution. And above all, how much pollution needed to reactivate gas operating power plant when there isn't enough sun? More than two weeks of continuous operation. What do you do with excess electricity from the solar panels when there is no one to sell it to? In short, stop following the crowd and simplistic trends.
Better use of water resources is essential. We need to be better at maintaining the natural systems which support a healthy and balanced water cycle to keep aquifers charged and local climates stable. We need to reverse the damage done by centuries of poor water and forest management too.
As long as we provide public fund subsidies to build or insure in either flood or fire prone areas, we will encourage continuing growth in them. As is the case with earthquake insurance, the premium cost must be risk based such that the insureds, not the public at large, pay the full cost of building in vulnerable areas. The government's job is to identify at risk locations and educate the public where the high risks are, allowing people to avoid purchasing homes and businesses in those locations. If they choose to purchase high risk properties, they should bear the risk and socialize it with unsubsidized private insurance.
It's the government's job? How about the government did nothing? Within a generation or two people would learn to avoid flood-prone areas (and Darwin would take care of those who is unable to learn).
@@JanBruunAndersen Did/can you read what I wrote? I said that the government should NOT provide funds that encourage people to build in flood prone areas. If you bother to read the last sentence, I specifically say that if people want to build in a flood plane they should do it at their OWN RISK. I didn't say that they government should protect property owners from their own stupidity; indeed, I don't think it should. Seems to me you are trying to pick an argument by not bothering to read what the other person is saying and leaping to unfounded conclusions based on your twisted confirmation bias.
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@@frederickkearney7798 - oh, I can read. In 4-5 different languages to boot. You wrote that government's job is to identify at risk locations and educate the public about high risk areas. And I wrote that government should do as little as possible.
Water desalination is incredibly cheap but has a high initial cost , private companies aren’t willing to pay the upfront costs to establish the facilities for a low return on investment
Most places even near coasts have groundwater. Water is nearly everywhere, the earth is so awesome. Just don't try to grow crops or live on the half of the land without cheap water underground. Water costs $0.001 a pound, vs $5.00 for steak or $1 for grain, its a millionth the cost yet still people whine. A person's water bill is about $0.1 a day, to shower, wash clothes, water lawn. We use 3000 pounds of water a month, 30,000 a year, we are so spoiled having to cut back a little like California to just 20,000 pounds a year.
@@amyself6678 agree totally, don't try and build huge cities in the middle of a goddamn desert, yes looking at you Arizona and Las Vegas, and then wonder why you have a water shortage. Ban grass for lawns in Southern California, and make them use desert plants and rocks for landscape, I know Vegas is already doing that to every place except parks, golf courses and I think one other location, all residential has to use desert-friendly species.
@@davidstufflebean3285 ... Even in Vegas our tech is so wonderful water is just $1 for 100 gallons so 800 pounds. Anything else 800 pounds is $1000 dollars.... If use 80 pounds a day for shower and washing it's a dime... The dirty secret is cities overcharge for water past the wholesale rate to gouge to pay for other city stuff like parks and police. Even water trucks from say Columbia river in Oregon would be about $2 for 100 gallons, which ain't awful.... God put so much darn water yet still we complain when it's not massively cheap.... For house electricity is $200 a month, water $20, this is shockingly cheap ..... It shows how people will complain about everything... I expect people to start complaining about the air, how it should be even free-er ..... Ha
Nova Scotia gets rain between 43 and 78 inches a year . Many homes collect rain water in their cisterns for everyday use. A desalinization plant is not required there. Broad generalities are not the answer. Capture the rain , and allow it to replenish the aquafer . Build swales on hilly terrain . Slow down water on hills and valley streams to promote absorption of groundwater . Build water retention dams. Pipe excess water to a dry area. Protect the soil with mulch to prevent evaporation of soil moisture and provide compost.
Condensation of the humidity was practiced by the Incas of Peru. They built circular terraces which condensed the humidity as it swirled downward, getting colder, then condensing and therefore watering the crops. Also, circular terraces were used for collecting water in a basin at the bottom of the terrace, then having it flow through a canal for drinking water. Today, there are newer ways to condense humidity into water for agriculture and drinking water. The humidity cannot be seen, just like oxygen and CO2, but it is there for everyone. Growing desert grass 40” x 40” grids would anchor sand, gets watered by morning dew, could help trees to grow within it, and may eventually help rain to occur. Also, solar-powered refrigeration units could cool tanks of water that flows through pipes, causing drip irrigation by condensing humidity.
You are 100% correct Only problem that would be nearly free process how are the Bill Gates going to make money??? Ya know that's really self centered thinking 😅😅😅
The problem here is that Peru has pretty high base humidity. Humidity is measured relative to its temprature and condensation happens when the air temprature drops and humidity would go above 100%. The air can't hold it so it becomes water. According to a quick google search the capital of Peru, Lima, has an average 84% humidity. Compare this New Mexico with 44% and the problem becomes pretty clear. Let's say you lower the temprature so the air can only hold half the water it previously could. In Peru that would bring you to 168% humidity so the air has to release that exes 68% as water. Which is about 40% of the water originally in the air. In New Mexico you'd have 88% humidity and zero water. Now these humidity levels are averages, the real kicker here is that during the driest seasons when you'd want to generate water the most condesantion is at it least usefull. Which is why outside of a few exceptions water from air solutions are generally not considered feasable.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr exactly i feel like these nuts farms for example in california (nuts are one of calis biggest agriculture export) use way to much water than necessary most of these farms dont even have drip irrigation meanwhile cali has been in a drought for the past 10 years.
Water bottle companies helps making the real value/cost of water visible. Only when the value is visible will people start to value water correctly and take steps to bring down costs and usage.
@@kieranh2005 Well, brine is nowhere near as harmful as nuclear waste. Brine is just the byproduct of the filtration system. It's created by the rejection from the membrane so this brine has always been in the ocean water the only difference is its concentration. there are several options to deal with it, like taking and distributing the brine at different locations within a huge area of the ocean. We could then monitor its effects, but there are at least other 10 solutions. This is why I think that more research is needed.
@@dfinma I don't think that you understand, there is a lack of potable water which is the issue and desalination is only one solution. or what is the problem from your point of view?
When a lot of these Desalination Plants are being built, they have an explicit need for the purified water produced from the split stream with RO Water Technology. This also produce a reject stream that is difficult to permeate a hyper membrane. There isn’t always a plan in exact for a separate industrial entity to utilize all the brine reject. For seawater application it’s called Brine because of the salt concentration doubling up to at least four times depending on % recovery of water set forth in process. In other normal application where it’s not Saltwater such as Brackish or less TDS salt water it’s easier to use that reject water for other purposes. Seawater by its salinity present a different problem as it’s quite salty. In many places the Brine produced is used by another different industry as a joint venture next to the water plant property utilizing the brine to make other salt products. Depending on the size of these Seawater RO Plants there are sometime limitations on being able to use as much brine that is produced in their processes. Sometimes there just aren’t any other industrial players willing to build a facility next door to refine or reprocess the brine waste. I don’t know why exactly the financial aspect why not. From seawater brine there are different salts and compounds that can be refined so it isn’t exactly not useful. Lithium for example is in seawater, more in concentrated brine, but it’s still far less mg/l than what can be extracted from an actual land mine. They just need viable industries that can utilize all the brine for other products and it be less of an environmental issue as to how to properly dispose of the reject Brine. At best what many these Desalination Plants do is to run a pipeline out several miles back out to sea and pipe them brine there so it can be dissolved back into the ocean in a wide area. It does have an impact on the immediate local area to which that brine is piped. But that’s why at best most plants if that brine can’t be used by another industry they pump that brine miles back out into the ocean. That vs piping it into the local marina and estuary areas or just off the beach. Still, until there are real complete solutions as to what to do with all the brine, we’ll all keep discussing how to solve the issue.
@@found13while I kind of agree, the green revolution was a thing and stopped a lot of hunger. Through business. And having traveled to just one or two countries, the biggest obstacle to them achieving a thriving economy, is being priced out of world markets. Being excluded. Including people in markets can provide opportunities, make them desperate instead and their governments will make bad deals because it’s the best they can get.
There is plenty of water you just let it flow into the sea instead of recycling it back into the land. Controlled reservoirs could be built along side the rivers path to store water and help generate electricity. In areas of drought you could build underground drip irrigation systems to help regenerate the soil like they do in India. There’s nothing wrong with the amount of water that we have but how we manage it. I bet we waste more water by turning our faucets on full but never use that much water. It’s just a matter of common sense. If you are running out of water why would you let it run into the sea. How much is it going to cost you to recycle your river water? Well how much is it going to cost you if you don’t do it?
Israel is building in the desert and using 80% desalinate water with drip irrigation. The results are lower temperature, higher perspiration and stopping desert progress. If you don't build in the desert, the desert will come to you.
States and local municipalities haven’t been protecting ground water assets for decades. Next gen needs to pick up the fight. We’re all just renting our current lives anyway.
Instead of oil pipelines, put in water pipelines from desalination plants to areas that need it. The excess salt can be used to create battery storage.
Only if you have enough lemons. Salt water kills soils. Though there is some lithium that may, or may not be viable to extract from the concentrated brine.
Two water pipes, one for salty and one for fresh water. Toilets and showers saltwater. One pipe for freshwater to drink and for crops/gardens.Better infrastructure.
The truth is we can, the only issue is that large business interests don't want to do it, because it would allow people to recognize water for the grand commodity that it's always been... The best way to do this is going back to distilling it, or boiling it, though using high frequency to generate magnetic resonance around a copper pipe , this creates an immediate reaction and uses a fraction of the energy needed, it can even come from sun light to power the apparatus... #ER_Miele
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 it's the same technology you would find in an induction cooktop...or furnace ...where there is a copper pipe that is heating and internal pipe it has to be steel, this is how the heat is generated, though it's not quite touching the copper... You just have to make a very well engineered system with one way valves so the water does not expand back through the cool area, continue this till you have steam and then distill or use it for any other type of propulsion... Hope that helps...
No because a company would invest millions of dollars into building this facility only to find it’s just simply not profitable and that it’s not a sustainable business (at least in most areas). As a result, they’ve wasted time, money, and energy. It’s not always just “evil corporations” lmao
yes, exactly, put it into the evaporation ponds, cover these ponds with plastic and the evaporation is fresh water, when condensed out of the humid air by cooling. The salt is a bonus, with significant value.
they could grow less water intensive crops in warm climates or do it in temperate climates instead. use less pesticides and plant wildflowers so the pollinators thrive. we may need to learn how to manage pests or use indoor farms. the government should force insurance companies to inform potential buyers of flooding history, risks and other dangers. how come people don't build higher or watertight homes on low lands with a history of flooding?
Why not extract salt from the brine and make industrial salt batteries, whereby you would not only eliminate the waste product but turn it into extra profit
So the best strategy is : aquifer fossil + best water management for irrigation + water cycle + collecting water to have more sources or to recharge them.
Reduced snowfall in the Colorado mountains?? There’s hundreds of miles of snow packed several feet deep as far as I can see. I fly over it all the time as flight crew.
@@MusikCassette Continuing to put brine back in the water with increasing concentrations of salt is damaging to the ocean's ecosystem and marine life. Think of the Dead Sea. A body of water can have so much salt that nothing can eventually live there. This is not an immediate concern for the ocean as the water is moving and other bodies of water and rain continue to flow into it. However there are those who are dumping more things into it in addition to the oil spills and other things that continue to find the ocean and subsequently our food and water. An ounce of prevention is still worth a pound of cure. It would be prudent to be proactive about preventative measures before the issue can become critical.
Actually, there is the idea of brine mining. Extracting useful minerals from the brine. Lithium is one of them. Ocean water has 0.17 mg Lithium per liter. (So I guess more than 0.3 mg per liter in the brine?) Not sure at what price Lithium has to be to make the extraction profitable. On the other hand, sodium batteries now become a thing, and there is more than enough sodium in the brine.
@@mrm7058 so issue with this is that extracting lithium from salt water brine to the level of purity you need is at the current moment possible, but costs about 100x what it costs just to mine it elsewhere [now economies of scale could bring that down a bit, but its still going to be way more costly to do it that way so the price of lithium would have to jump EVEN more than it already has]. Same issue with Sodium for sodium batteries [which are still YEARS out from being commercially around in large amounts and have major issues themselves that will prevent them from being used in a lot of applications] given the fact you need super high purity sodium/lithium for these applications. Most of the issue is simply that there is so much stuff in salt water brine, and that stuff really likes sticking to the other stuff, that getting the purity you need is very very hard [and also requires a lot of hydrogen and energy [which both tend to come from oil in pilot projects].
It is not the Farmers who are using too much water. They are growing our food. It is the too big homes for two people that is wasteing our water. I'm sorry to be so to the point. But it is the truth. Our farmers are not wasteing the average population is abusing the system. How much square footage of housing does any one person need. I lived in a car for three years. I'm still here.
There's no one answer, no cure-all, no panacea. Like most things in life there are many solutions and it's complicated, but it can be fixed if we start taking the issues seriously. There are a lot of tools we can use including desal, but there are also wasteful practices that we need to stop immediately like over-reliance on meat and the crops needed to make it, like alfalfa.
I wish that in California there was more agroforestry. Planting rows of fast-growing trees between rows of crops would be beneficial. Trees bring rain through evapotranspiration. Planting fast-growing trees, such as silver maple and the evergreen called giant thugas, among other fast-growing trees would help to bring more rain.
Is it not more in trend, to plant windbrakes? Along roads, rivers, canals, between agricultural cultures and so on? 21:1122:0027:3628:20 Sooo big areas, and no one tree, nothing from windbrakes! I have learned in the school, that first approach against drought and soil erosion are windbrakes, and nobody use it anymore, and crying about problems!
the issue is you would still have to find a use for it or otherwise you just get mountiants of it piling up. There is not that much demand for sea salt and the minerals inside of it are not worth enough to try and extract them.
Wouldn’t it be much better to irrigate at night to reduce evaporated water from the sun and charge the system during the day. I’m just saying this since every image I saw of irrigated fields were done during the daytime. It seems like an obvious thing to do yet we still see this being done during the daytime. It’s just mind boggling how in this department we still see images like these. I’d like to see just one image of irrigation being done at night. Or maybe I’m just wrong all around.
Yeah, if this documentary just came out, it didn't age behind the first viewing. "Oh, the scientists who are never right about anything predict that the droughts will just get worse over the years." Reality is it rained and snowed all winter long.
The poles are covered in freshwater ice. If they are melting then why can't the brine be strategically deposited near the poles to compensate for the influx of newly melted freshwater?
Yes, brine can be used to make technology in a number of ways, including: Lithium-ion batteries Brine contains lithium carbonate, which can be converted into lithium, a key component of lithium-ion batteries.  Chemicals Brine can be processed to produce chemicals like sodium hydroxide, hydrochloric acid, magnesium, zinc, calcium, bromides, and lithium derivatives. These chemicals can be used in a variety of applications, including pretreating seawater for desalination plants and cleaning parts of desalination plants.   Heat pumps Brine-to-water heat pumps use brine as a heat transfer medium to extract heat from the ground. This heat can then be used for heating or cooling.  Oxygen and fuel Research has shown that brine can be used to produce oxygen and fuel on Mars.
America and other countries Need to modify the lakes and rivers add barriers to collect rain water to prevent droughts block people from fishing jet ski, boating etc can’t build property near or around them. Rebuild all of them. Add barriers walls that hold water not leak water only way to fix help Mother Nature Like nothing never happens 😊
Generally, as in most cases; each nation has a sustainable region, district or locale. These areas are of utmost importance. This is where the most devastating war tactics will take place. Survival is what the focus should be. Now we have a dual facetted point of mutual survival interests. Technology (which causes pollution) and how to survive with it. It is an emotionally violent cycle of activities. Water is safe. Dry air is dangerous. -Commish
Are there any NGOs called save colorado river movement in America as i feel that it is the most important river that impacts almost the entire western America
The title of the show should’ve been a water issue for California and the southwest. The majority of the United States you can’t walk 100 feet without bumping into a river
Instead of dumping all that water to the pacific ocean. You can reroute the snowpack water to central and southern California, Colorado River, Lake Mead. Start with those bodies of water to start with.
Well the salt market is smaller, than the corrosponding watermarket. So you probably won't use all the brine for that. Also strategically placed evaporation ponds could perhaps themself just produce fresh water. What goes up, must come down. Imagine f.e. seawater evaporation in the Deathvalley
The desert SW needs to start acting like they live in a desert. Golf courses and growing alfalfa and cotton in the desert is the worst kind of folly and completely unsustainable.
Could the brine be utilized to help remove forever chemicals and medicines from the waste water in water treatment plants? Is there a process that may be undertaken to cause the chemicals to bond with the salt in the brine to help clean up the water and make it safer to drink?
I was going to ask these questions too. What's the chemical makeup of the Brine and how could we figure out how to put it to good use ? We need to stop looking at it as a "waste product" and start looking at it as an "potential opportunity".
@@jasonnugent963 If we've learned nothing else in recent years it's that the moves we've made to make things more disposable have created a waste problem of monumental proportions. The synthetic fibers and forever chemicals are killing us and destroying the environment. If we can find a way to recycle and reuse everything and extract the dangerous chemicals from our cleaners, solvents, pesticides, fertilizers products and environment then perhaps we can find a sustainable way forward.
@@brendahenderson683 I mean, OK. All that being true,.. this water was oroginally pulled from the ocean (we didnt mass produce it). All we did was extract the pure water and are now left with a concentrated brine. We have the ability to chemically analyze that Brine. We can ascertain what its made of. Why can’t we further break it down to usable raw materials ?… Humans solve much harder problems (such as sewage and polluted water reclamation). Saltwater brine seems like it should be easier.
@@jasonnugent963 In principle it does seem like it should be easier. As with many things it probably costs more somehow. In times past more costly options have been forgone for profits. It would seem that the brine could be useful for something. It definitely shouldn't be simply released back into to ocean.
@@brendahenderson683 I just did a Google search on “what can we do with desalination brine”,.. and it does indeed look like there are numerous research projects working on this.
"Dilution is the solution". As the guy said, that is 19th century thinking for the handling of any sort of waste. At the very least they have to get away from using a single outflow pipe at the bottom of the ocean. They should make an effort to dilute it right from the start. Ie mix the brine with ocean water to dilute it significantly. As well, they seriously need to look at extracting useful resources from the brine before returning it to the ocean. There are lots of useful salts and metals needed by our industrial society. CALIFORNIA needs to be put on a serious water budget. The other states in the Colorodo river have done much more to reduce use. Agricultural sales are going to have to start including water cost, with a water trade element as well as the production cost. So production, farmer labor, fertizer, captial all cost a certain amount of money, on top of that growing 1 pound / ton of a product requires x units of water. The purchaser will have to provide those units of water as well as the money. For the hydroponics farms, rather than going to industrial size, they need to be scaled to fit the needs of the local consumers. Create one of more hydroponics farms for the city. The idea is to make the food local, to reduce the environmental cost of shipping. Why ship tomatos or watermelons from california, when you can grow them locally. "Micro" Hydroponics farms can be well suited to remote locations where cost of fresh vegetables/fruit is prohibitive. Instead, grow them indoors locally. The current historic water rights are going to have to be recalculated. Even if they keep the priority system, which I think should also be scrapped, the quantities of those allocations will have to be adjusted. ie they got X amount from the historic allocation. Well, it is known that those allocations were based on overly optimistic water flow values. So, take all of existing allocations, and grant each right a percentage based on current sustainable flows. Historic total allocation is x units. Duh. If you see flood water in your house, it is time to jack the house up higher. ABOVE the flood line. In 1990, your house didn't flood historically. But climate has changed and now multiple floods are in your future. Jack that house up. The cost of jacking will be a lot less than replacing flood damage.
You failed to point out the latest type of desalination that has been developed just recently. It is easily scalable and leaves no salt brine behind to get rid of.
@@kieranh2005 oh maybe? But in terms of scalability as energy efficiency? Reliability? May as well dig holes for lakes to fork next time it rains. It’s pretty much the same thing lol
The average person uses 100 gal a day of water!? Wow, not here for us. We're in the country on a well, so we're careful how much we pull out of the ground. We also collect rain water for use with our garden, livestock and washing cars/trucks. People need to look into more sustainability for sure.
If you want to use that much salt, better make it grid level batteries. so we are not talking about Sodium ion batteries, bat about High temperature NaS or about ZEBRA if you got the Nickel to spare.
Great technology, why don’t we stop dumping our fresh rainwater into the ocean? We have more water in CA dumping into the ocean after one large rain storm than we use as a state in a year. Up and down the coast rivers dump tremendous quantities of rain water into the ocean. Then in early summer the snow melts quickly on the Sierras and again we dump more water than we use in a year down the rivers and into the ocean. It’s freakin crazy.
There have been increasing reports of ocean water reachong higher temperatures than ever before. Could these extreame temperatures be the Earth's way protecting itself through natural thermal desalination? Is there a way to measure and determine if this is happening?
The book Pluvicopia shows how the Red Sea Latent heat supplies sufficient water to flood the whole of the Arab Peninsula with all the water they could ever want. It has enough potential new aquifers to store enough water to control the sea level since the start of industrialization. Yes, that is 90 trillion tons of water, but we show how it is economically practical.
A suggestion made many years ago pointed to the fact that 1/6 of the fresh water flow of the Yukon river in Alaska can supply all of the current water needs of all of the Western States. Just pipe it down!
@@kkirschkk Since the reduction is less than the variability of the river's flow, its unlikely to have a major effect. And, few live anywhere near, versus nearly 80 million in the westem states.
@@lawrenceleske3470 You do know things like flood plains and the like also require said amount of water to actually be flood based ecosysems? Also in doing this your just giving the western states a free pass to keep using water [and wasting it]. So what happens when in 50 years they need MORE water? do we simply keep draining a larger and larger share of it? what if they demand water from somewhere closer like the Mississippi or the Great Lakes? should those ecosystems that support tens of millions of people be destroyed just to give the west a free pass?
This speaks to a larger problem within the US. Everybody wants the benefits of publicly funded infrastructure, but nobody wants to pay for it, and nobody wants to pay for it while it is getting built and cannot be immediately used.
So our infrastructure ages and decays past the point of being unusable, then the same people complain about that too.
There's a joke that goes like:
"The problems of a private electric grid is so large it must be heavily regulated. The problems of a heavily regulated electric gtid is so large it must be nationalized. The problems of a nationalized grid are so large it must be privatized."
It's not true that nobody wants to pay for it. The boomers and the rich people that have all of the influence on legislation don't want to pay for it but largely the people that want to use the services want it and will be willing to pay for it.
tax cuts don't pay for anything but greed
As someone who has spent the past 20yrs or so working in a small city Gov,.. this is very very true. Everyone seems to want the BMW lifestyle for the Toyota Corolla price. But it dont work like that.
How do we pay for our military budget?
I live in a high humidity location. I have looked at building a solar powered dehumidifier pulling water from the air into a water tower. It would require adding minerals for drinkability, but could provide 100+ gallons of water daily.
Water solutions will end up being location specific as we get more and more efficient with water management.
So you would be a moisture farmer like Luke Skywalker!
I do that on a small scale !
My portable indoor air conditioner has condensation duct, and it drips out almost 10 litres of water each day.
I just collect that in a bucket & wash dishes with that water :-)
Be cautious with Airconditioner water as it may contain pathogens as it forms in a moist environment inside your home that reaches room temperature when the unit is off.
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Or use this water to take a shower...eh hem.
@@johna.4334 😀
All farmers in the world should have drip irrigation.
"All should" I bet you're popular at parties.
not all farmers need irrigation.
desalination comes together, when you have a lot of Renewable energy, and you use the desalination, to balance the production variations.
Not really, Israel water supply is 80% desalinate water, and generats less than 3% renewable energy.
Renewable energy is damaging the environment, costly and unstable. You can play with this is California, not in a country that can't afford expensive, fashion.
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"Renewable energy is damaging the environment, "
not really.
"not in a country that can't afford expensive, fashion." have you not payed attention for the last decade? Solar power had become the cheapest form of Energy.
@@MusikCassette Well, it's useless debate, you don't have the proper knowledge and there is no way to show you the data. Just a few questions, how polluting is the manufacturing of solar panels? There is no recycling of these panels, huge source of heavy metals pollution. And above all, how much pollution needed to reactivate gas operating power plant when there isn't enough sun? More than two weeks of continuous operation. What do you do with excess electricity from the solar panels when there is no one to sell it to?
In short, stop following the crowd and simplistic trends.
@@coas21 My last answer got censored. So I am gonna wait and see if this gets through.
Creating water scarcity versus making water availability (sanatan ideology) will make huge difference and impact in lives around the globe.
Better use of water resources is essential. We need to be better at maintaining the natural systems which support a healthy and balanced water cycle to keep aquifers charged and local climates stable. We need to reverse the damage done by centuries of poor water and forest management too.
As long as we provide public fund subsidies to build or insure in either flood or fire prone areas, we will encourage continuing growth in them. As is the case with earthquake insurance, the premium cost must be risk based such that the insureds, not the public at large, pay the full cost of building in vulnerable areas. The government's job is to identify at risk locations and educate the public where the high risks are, allowing people to avoid purchasing homes and businesses in those locations. If they choose to purchase high risk properties, they should bear the risk and socialize it with unsubsidized private insurance.
It's the government's job? How about the government did nothing? Within a generation or two people would learn to avoid flood-prone areas (and Darwin would take care of those who is unable to learn).
@@JanBruunAndersen Did/can you read what I wrote? I said that the government should NOT provide funds that encourage people to build in flood prone areas. If you bother to read the last sentence, I specifically say that if people want to build in a flood plane they should do it at their OWN RISK. I didn't say that they government should protect property owners from their own stupidity; indeed, I don't think it should. Seems to me you are trying to pick an argument by not bothering to read what the other person is saying and leaping to unfounded conclusions based on your twisted confirmation bias.
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@@buildingdreams2279 WTF are you saying? Lay off the hallucinogens.
@@frederickkearney7798 - oh, I can read. In 4-5 different languages to boot. You wrote that government's job is to identify at risk locations and educate the public about high risk areas.
And I wrote that government should do as little as possible.
Here’s an idea. Stop moving to deserts
The states by the oceans are needed to ship goods out. Most states on the coast also have larger economies than the other states.
Maybe time to treat water with respect and NOT let greedy corporations poison our waters.
Water desalination is incredibly cheap but has a high initial cost , private companies aren’t willing to pay the upfront costs to establish the facilities for a low return on investment
All coastal countries in the world should have desalination plants.
Most places even near coasts have groundwater. Water is nearly everywhere, the earth is so awesome. Just don't try to grow crops or live on the half of the land without cheap water underground. Water costs $0.001 a pound, vs $5.00 for steak or $1 for grain, its a millionth the cost yet still people whine. A person's water bill is about $0.1 a day, to shower, wash clothes, water lawn. We use 3000 pounds of water a month, 30,000 a year, we are so spoiled having to cut back a little like California to just 20,000 pounds a year.
@@amyself6678 agree totally, don't try and build huge cities in the middle of a goddamn desert, yes looking at you Arizona and Las Vegas, and then wonder why you have a water shortage. Ban grass for lawns in Southern California, and make them use desert plants and rocks for landscape, I know Vegas is already doing that to every place except parks, golf courses and I think one other location, all residential has to use desert-friendly species.
@@davidstufflebean3285 ... Even in Vegas our tech is so wonderful water is just $1 for 100 gallons so 800 pounds. Anything else 800 pounds is $1000 dollars.... If use 80 pounds a day for shower and washing it's a dime... The dirty secret is cities overcharge for water past the wholesale rate to gouge to pay for other city stuff like parks and police. Even water trucks from say Columbia river in Oregon would be about $2 for 100 gallons, which ain't awful.... God put so much darn water yet still we complain when it's not massively cheap.... For house electricity is $200 a month, water $20, this is shockingly cheap ..... It shows how people will complain about everything... I expect people to start complaining about the air, how it should be even free-er ..... Ha
to the extant, they build enough renewable energy so they have excess to balance.
Nova Scotia gets rain between 43 and 78 inches a year . Many homes collect rain water in their cisterns for everyday use. A desalinization plant is not required there. Broad generalities are not the answer.
Capture the rain , and allow it to replenish the aquafer . Build swales on hilly terrain . Slow down water on hills and valley streams to promote absorption of groundwater . Build water retention dams. Pipe excess water to a dry area. Protect the soil with mulch to prevent evaporation of soil moisture and provide compost.
Condensation of the humidity was practiced by the Incas of Peru. They built circular terraces which condensed the humidity as it swirled downward, getting colder, then condensing and therefore watering the crops. Also, circular terraces were used for collecting water in a basin at the bottom of the terrace, then having it flow through a canal for drinking water. Today, there are newer ways to condense humidity into water for agriculture and drinking water. The humidity cannot be seen, just like oxygen and CO2, but it is there for everyone. Growing desert grass 40” x 40” grids would anchor sand, gets watered by morning dew, could help trees to grow within it, and may eventually help rain to occur. Also, solar-powered refrigeration units could cool tanks of water that flows through pipes, causing drip irrigation by condensing humidity.
You are 100% correct
Only problem that would be nearly free process how are the Bill Gates going to make money???
Ya know that's really self centered thinking 😅😅😅
The problem here is that Peru has pretty high base humidity. Humidity is measured relative to its temprature and condensation happens when the air temprature drops and humidity would go above 100%. The air can't hold it so it becomes water.
According to a quick google search the capital of Peru, Lima, has an average 84% humidity. Compare this New Mexico with 44% and the problem becomes pretty clear.
Let's say you lower the temprature so the air can only hold half the water it previously could. In Peru that would bring you to 168% humidity so the air has to release that exes 68% as water. Which is about 40% of the water originally in the air.
In New Mexico you'd have 88% humidity and zero water.
Now these humidity levels are averages, the real kicker here is that during the driest seasons when you'd want to generate water the most condesantion is at it least usefull. Which is why outside of a few exceptions water from air solutions are generally not considered feasable.
We at Pure Water For All Foundation have been working on this problem for decades in over 50 countries. We have fantastic results.
time for humans to clean their f mess
Population is an issue with more people consuming more water. Also water bottle companies are hogging up water so they can profit off your basic need.
Not just water bottle companies, but all major drinks companies. In 2021, Coca Cola used 1.94 L of water for every 1 L of Coke they produced.
most of the problem is agriculture and some of that agriculture is low key very useless or very specific needs.
@@Ronin.97 Yep, alfalfa for Saudi Arabia and growing cotton and almonds in arid regions needs to stop.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr exactly i feel like these nuts farms for example in california (nuts are one of calis biggest agriculture export) use way to much water than necessary most of these farms dont even have drip irrigation meanwhile cali has been in a drought for the past 10 years.
Water bottle companies helps making the real value/cost of water visible. Only when the value is visible will people start to value water correctly and take steps to bring down costs and usage.
Stop trying to make this harder than it is
Water is life .
Plant mangroves, I provide!
Save water
canada has a lot of water , just take it , they let it run into the ocean
I'm for desalination as one type of solution to the water crisis, let's keep the research on it and at the same time let's find other technology.
What to do with the brine?
Since the water crisis is not due to lack of desalination, desalination does not solve the problem.
@@kieranh2005 Well, brine is nowhere near as harmful as nuclear waste. Brine is just the byproduct of the filtration system. It's created by the rejection from the membrane so this brine has always been in the ocean water the only difference is its concentration. there are several options to deal with it, like taking and distributing the brine at different locations within a huge area of the ocean. We could then monitor its effects, but there are at least other 10 solutions. This is why I think that more research is needed.
@@dfinma I don't think that you understand, there is a lack of potable water which is the issue and desalination is only one solution. or what is the problem from your point of view?
When a lot of these Desalination Plants are being built, they have an explicit need for the purified water produced from the split stream with RO Water Technology. This also produce a reject stream that is difficult to permeate a hyper membrane. There isn’t always a plan in exact for a separate industrial entity to utilize all the brine reject. For seawater application it’s called Brine because of the salt concentration doubling up to at least four times depending on % recovery of water set forth in process. In other normal application where it’s not Saltwater such as Brackish or less TDS salt water it’s easier to use that reject water for other purposes. Seawater by its salinity present a different problem as it’s quite salty. In many places the Brine produced is used by another different industry as a joint venture next to the water plant property utilizing the brine to make other salt products.
Depending on the size of these Seawater RO Plants there are sometime limitations on being able to use as much brine that is produced in their processes. Sometimes there just aren’t any other industrial players willing to build a facility next door to refine or reprocess the brine waste. I don’t know why exactly the financial aspect why not. From seawater brine there are different salts and compounds that can be refined so it isn’t exactly not useful. Lithium for example is in seawater, more in concentrated brine, but it’s still far less mg/l than what can be extracted from an actual land mine. They just need viable industries that can utilize all the brine for other products and it be less of an environmental issue as to how to properly dispose of the reject Brine. At best what many these Desalination Plants do is to run a pipeline out several miles back out to sea and pipe them brine there so it can be dissolved back into the ocean in a wide area. It does have an impact on the immediate local area to which that brine is piped. But that’s why at best most plants if that brine can’t be used by another industry they pump that brine miles back out into the ocean. That vs piping it into the local marina and estuary areas or just off the beach. Still, until there are real complete solutions as to what to do with all the brine, we’ll all keep discussing how to solve the issue.
There was also the idea of desalination by accelerating evaporation by spraying seawater on a solar-heated rotating drum....
@@found13while I kind of agree, the green revolution was a thing and stopped a lot of hunger. Through business. And having traveled to just one or two countries, the biggest obstacle to them achieving a thriving economy, is being priced out of world markets. Being excluded. Including people in markets can provide opportunities, make them desperate instead and their governments will make bad deals because it’s the best they can get.
One easiest way to save water in southern California is to outlaw lawns, as Las Vegas has done.
There is plenty of water you just let it flow into the sea instead of recycling it back into the land. Controlled reservoirs could be built along side the rivers path to store water and help generate electricity. In areas of drought you could build underground drip irrigation systems to help regenerate the soil like they do in India. There’s nothing wrong with the amount of water that we have but how we manage it. I bet we waste more water by turning our faucets on full but never use that much water. It’s just a matter of common sense. If you are running out of water why would you let it run into the sea. How much is it going to cost you to recycle your river water? Well how much is it going to cost you if you don’t do it?
Because the fish need water to survive, so does the wildlife in the riparian areas.
They could also build massive subterranean cisterns
Flow into the sea lol, the sea isn't everywhere pal
@@sumsara9255 You must joking right? Get Educated
Desalination costs about 1 cent per gallon. It should be the solution to all cities by the ocean.
A lot of water is used in total meaning it costs a lot, and what do you do with the brine?
1 cent per gallon? Sources?
that is highly dependent on the energy costs.
luckiely freshwater production is not time critical, so you could use surplus renewable energy.
I see one common problem. Too many people
Water shortage? Stop building in the desert!
Israel is building in the desert and using 80% desalinate water with drip irrigation. The results are lower temperature, higher perspiration and stopping desert progress.
If you don't build in the desert, the desert will come to you.
Why they don’t get salt from brine? It’s get more salt than sea water.
States and local municipalities haven’t been protecting ground water assets for decades.
Next gen needs to pick up the fight.
We’re all just renting our current lives anyway.
Every house beign sold should have a hazards report. Basically a report that shows how likely a natural disaster will occur to that area.
Instead of oil pipelines, put in water pipelines from desalination plants to areas that need it. The excess salt can be used to create battery storage.
Only if you have enough lemons. Salt water kills soils.
Though there is some lithium that may, or may not be viable to extract from the concentrated brine.
A graphic with a marginal supply curve for clean water would help a lot, necessarily regional
Two water pipes, one for salty and one for fresh water. Toilets and showers saltwater. One pipe for freshwater to drink and for crops/gardens.Better infrastructure.
That is done in other countries. Wish we did that here.
Im alone and sometimes lonely... But i always look for activity that i can enjoy being alone.
Just did a research that California dumped most of its rain water into the ocean. Why they don’t collect it for use later?
It’s very easy to find a business that’s not effected by
The truth is we can, the only issue is that large business interests don't want to do it, because it would allow people to recognize water for the grand commodity that it's always been...
The best way to do this is going back to distilling it, or boiling it, though using high frequency to generate magnetic resonance around a copper pipe , this creates an immediate reaction and uses a fraction of the energy needed, it can even come from sun light to power the apparatus...
#ER_Miele
Please Elaborate on this Magnetic Resonance method further.
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 it's the same technology you would find in an induction cooktop...or furnace ...where there is a copper pipe that is heating and internal pipe it has to be steel, this is how the heat is generated, though it's not quite touching the copper... You just have to make a very well engineered system with one way valves so the water does not expand back through the cool area, continue this till you have steam and then distill or use it for any other type of propulsion...
Hope that helps...
No because a company would invest millions of dollars into building this facility only to find it’s just simply not profitable and that it’s not a sustainable business (at least in most areas). As a result, they’ve wasted time, money, and energy. It’s not always just “evil corporations” lmao
Why not produce salt with the brine?
yes, exactly, put it into the evaporation ponds, cover these ponds with plastic and the evaporation is fresh water, when condensed out of the humid air by cooling. The salt is a bonus, with significant value.
The amount of salt from one, small desalination plant will suffice all of the US consumption.
they could grow less water intensive crops in warm climates or do it in temperate climates instead.
use less pesticides and plant wildflowers so the pollinators thrive.
we may need to learn how to manage pests or use indoor farms.
the government should force insurance companies to inform potential buyers of flooding history, risks and other dangers.
how come people don't build higher or watertight homes on low lands with a history of flooding?
Why not extract salt from the brine and make industrial salt batteries, whereby you would not only eliminate the waste product but turn it into extra profit
La meilleure méthode d'irrigation est l'irrigation goutte à goutte.
So the best strategy is : aquifer fossil + best water management for irrigation + water cycle + collecting water to have more sources or to recharge them.
Reduced snowfall in the Colorado mountains?? There’s hundreds of miles of snow packed several feet deep as far as I can see. I fly over it all the time as flight crew.
One good snow doesn’t change the overall trend
Is the brine safe to ingest? Can it be utilized in food production, preservation or preparation without causing adverse health outcomes?
it is seawater. just with less water.
@@MusikCassette Continuing to put brine back in the water with increasing concentrations of salt is damaging to the ocean's ecosystem and marine life. Think of the Dead Sea. A body of water can have so much salt that nothing can eventually live there. This is not an immediate concern for the ocean as the water is moving and other bodies of water and rain continue to flow into it. However there are those who are dumping more things into it in addition to the oil spills and other things that continue to find the ocean and subsequently our food and water. An ounce of prevention is still worth a pound of cure. It would be prudent to be proactive about preventative measures before the issue can become critical.
Is it possible to make use of the mountains of passive solar power for distilling?
Could the brine be utilized in the production of lithium instead of it all being pumped back into the ocean?
wrong type of brine but it would be interesting if they could take it and create sea salt
Actually, there is the idea of brine mining. Extracting useful minerals from the brine. Lithium is one of them. Ocean water has 0.17 mg Lithium per liter. (So I guess more than 0.3 mg per liter in the brine?) Not sure at what price Lithium has to be to make the extraction profitable. On the other hand, sodium batteries now become a thing, and there is more than enough sodium in the brine.
@@mrm7058 so issue with this is that extracting lithium from salt water brine to the level of purity you need is at the current moment possible, but costs about 100x what it costs just to mine it elsewhere [now economies of scale could bring that down a bit, but its still going to be way more costly to do it that way so the price of lithium would have to jump EVEN more than it already has].
Same issue with Sodium for sodium batteries [which are still YEARS out from being commercially around in large amounts and have major issues themselves that will prevent them from being used in a lot of applications] given the fact you need super high purity sodium/lithium for these applications.
Most of the issue is simply that there is so much stuff in salt water brine, and that stuff really likes sticking to the other stuff, that getting the purity you need is very very hard [and also requires a lot of hydrogen and energy [which both tend to come from oil in pilot projects].
Will if you have a lithium mine nearby, you can use the brine instead of other water. Or did you mean to use the brine as a source for lithium
It is not the Farmers who are using too much water. They are growing our food. It is the too big homes for two people that is wasteing our water. I'm sorry to be so to the point. But it is the truth. Our farmers are not wasteing the average population is abusing the system. How much square footage of housing does any one person need. I lived in a car for three years. I'm still here.
The answer to the water crisis is build more, and bigger reservoirs, in strategic places.
There's no one answer, no cure-all, no panacea. Like most things in life there are many solutions and it's complicated, but it can be fixed if we start taking the issues seriously. There are a lot of tools we can use including desal, but there are also wasteful practices that we need to stop immediately like over-reliance on meat and the crops needed to make it, like alfalfa.
Use the brine for salt to use for snow and ice removal...
I wish that in California there was more agroforestry. Planting rows of fast-growing trees between rows of crops would be beneficial. Trees bring rain through evapotranspiration. Planting fast-growing trees, such as silver maple and the evergreen called giant thugas, among other fast-growing trees would help to bring more rain.
Is anyone else hearing- farming in a desert is very difficult.
Dhuuu- America.
Is it not more in trend, to plant windbrakes? Along roads, rivers, canals, between agricultural cultures and so on? 21:11 22:00 27:36 28:20 Sooo big areas, and no one tree, nothing from windbrakes! I have learned in the school, that first approach against drought and soil erosion are windbrakes, and nobody use it anymore, and crying about problems!
What happens if you put brine inn a desert and let the sunn evaporate it? Culld we colect the salt inn dry form and have a easyer way of storing it?'
the issue is you would still have to find a use for it or otherwise you just get mountiants of it piling up. There is not that much demand for sea salt and the minerals inside of it are not worth enough to try and extract them.
Wouldn’t it be much better to irrigate at night to reduce evaporated water from the sun and charge the system during the day. I’m just saying this since every image I saw of irrigated fields were done during the daytime. It seems like an obvious thing to do yet we still see this being done during the daytime. It’s just mind boggling how in this department we still see images like these. I’d like to see just one image of irrigation being done at night. Or maybe I’m just wrong all around.
They should be using solar and wind as energy sources.
better yet, they should use surplus energy from those sources.
The Feds closed 550 dams so far in the USA each one would have provided a few communities with all the water they could use....
Not any more we hang such a massive snow pack now
Yeah, if this documentary just came out, it didn't age behind the first viewing. "Oh, the scientists who are never right about anything predict that the droughts will just get worse over the years." Reality is it rained and snowed all winter long.
The poles are covered in freshwater ice. If they are melting then why can't the brine be strategically deposited near the poles to compensate for the influx of newly melted freshwater?
the thing is: water has a very low value density. so Transporting it long ways is always a problem.
Yes, brine can be used to make technology in a number of ways, including:
Lithium-ion batteries
Brine contains lithium carbonate, which can be converted into lithium, a key component of lithium-ion batteries.

Chemicals
Brine can be processed to produce chemicals like sodium hydroxide, hydrochloric acid, magnesium, zinc, calcium, bromides, and lithium derivatives. These chemicals can be used in a variety of applications, including pretreating seawater for desalination plants and cleaning parts of desalination plants.


Heat pumps
Brine-to-water heat pumps use brine as a heat transfer medium to extract heat from the ground. This heat can then be used for heating or cooling.

Oxygen and fuel
Research has shown that brine can be used to produce oxygen and fuel on Mars.
We can make much salt with byproduct brine, right?
Uruguay today is in a big crisis historic . The capital soon will not have water . Could tell or report something . Thank you !!!
America and other countries
Need to modify the lakes and rivers add barriers to collect rain water to prevent droughts block people from fishing jet ski, boating etc can’t build property near or around them. Rebuild all of them. Add barriers walls that hold water not leak water only way to fix help Mother Nature
Like nothing never happens 😊
Does fraking negatively impact water aquifer recharge? If so, how does this impact safe clean drinking water?
Insurance isn't real
Your title indicated a solution but you talked about problems
Generally, as in most cases; each nation has a sustainable region, district or locale. These areas are of utmost importance. This is where the most devastating war tactics will take place.
Survival is what the focus should be. Now we have a dual facetted point of mutual survival interests. Technology (which causes pollution) and how to survive with it. It is an emotionally violent cycle of activities. Water is safe. Dry air is dangerous. -Commish
Ban grass lawns! Every pre-teen and teenage boy will praise us for generations to come for ending the dreaded summer mowing job!
Are there any NGOs called save colorado river movement in America as i feel that it is the most important river that impacts almost the entire western America
We have a lot of rain, always rain, no summer, come to indonesia
The title of the show should’ve been a water issue for California and the southwest. The majority of the United States you can’t walk 100 feet without bumping into a river
A likely heavily polluted river.
@@FirstKingPotato do youI mean out west? Where I live , the rivers flow freely, and are definitely Clean.
Instead of dumping all that water to the pacific ocean. You can reroute the snowpack water to central and southern California, Colorado River, Lake Mead. Start with those bodies of water to start with.
Why not to use brine in salt plants?
the cost to actually extract any usable minerals is too high and there really isnt that much demand for sea salt to make it worth while.
400 Litres per person per day is more than enough water to grow food for ten people.
There is no water shortage in the West, only a waste problem.
Real issues are not addressed,waste,wasteand greed.
And there still are those who insist that human overpopulation is not an issue.
Why not use evaporation ponds for the brine? I’ve heard there is a market for salt.
Well the salt market is smaller, than the corrosponding watermarket. So you probably won't use all the brine for that.
Also strategically placed evaporation ponds could perhaps themself just produce fresh water. What goes up, must come down.
Imagine f.e. seawater evaporation in the Deathvalley
Maybe plants may help us in desalination
The desert SW needs to start acting like they live in a desert. Golf courses and growing alfalfa and cotton in the desert is the worst kind of folly and completely unsustainable.
Could the brine be utilized to help remove forever chemicals and medicines from the waste water in water treatment plants? Is there a process that may be undertaken to cause the chemicals to bond with the salt in the brine to help clean up the water and make it safer to drink?
I was going to ask these questions too. What's the chemical makeup of the Brine and how could we figure out how to put it to good use ? We need to stop looking at it as a "waste product" and start looking at it as an "potential opportunity".
@@jasonnugent963 If we've learned nothing else in recent years it's that the moves we've made to make things more disposable have created a waste problem of monumental proportions. The synthetic fibers and forever chemicals are killing us and destroying the environment. If we can find a way to recycle and reuse everything and extract the dangerous chemicals from our cleaners, solvents, pesticides, fertilizers products and environment then perhaps we can find a sustainable way forward.
@@brendahenderson683 I mean, OK. All that being true,.. this water was oroginally pulled from the ocean (we didnt mass produce it). All we did was extract the pure water and are now left with a concentrated brine. We have the ability to chemically analyze that Brine. We can ascertain what its made of. Why can’t we further break it down to usable raw materials ?… Humans solve much harder problems (such as sewage and polluted water reclamation). Saltwater brine seems like it should be easier.
@@jasonnugent963 In principle it does seem like it should be easier. As with many things it probably costs more somehow. In times past more costly options have been forgone for profits. It would seem that the brine could be useful for something. It definitely shouldn't be simply released back into to ocean.
@@brendahenderson683 I just did a Google search on “what can we do with desalination brine”,.. and it does indeed look like there are numerous research projects working on this.
I know! Politicians who say nothing is happening and push back against ANY measure that would help.
"Dilution is the solution". As the guy said, that is 19th century thinking for the handling of any sort of waste.
At the very least they have to get away from using a single outflow pipe at the bottom of the ocean. They should make an effort to dilute it right from the start. Ie mix the brine with ocean water to dilute it significantly.
As well, they seriously need to look at extracting useful resources from the brine before returning it to the ocean. There are lots of useful salts and metals needed by our industrial society.
CALIFORNIA needs to be put on a serious water budget. The other states in the Colorodo river have done much more to reduce use.
Agricultural sales are going to have to start including water cost, with a water trade element as well as the production cost. So production, farmer labor, fertizer, captial all cost a certain amount of money, on top of that growing 1 pound / ton of a product requires x units of water. The purchaser will have to provide those units of water as well as the money.
For the hydroponics farms, rather than going to industrial size, they need to be scaled to fit the needs of the local consumers. Create one of more hydroponics farms for the city. The idea is to make the food local, to reduce the environmental cost of shipping. Why ship tomatos or watermelons from california, when you can grow them locally. "Micro" Hydroponics farms can be well suited to remote locations where cost of fresh vegetables/fruit is prohibitive. Instead, grow them indoors locally.
The current historic water rights are going to have to be recalculated. Even if they keep the priority system, which I think should also be scrapped, the quantities of those allocations will have to be adjusted. ie they got X amount from the historic allocation. Well, it is known that those allocations were based on overly optimistic water flow values. So, take all of existing allocations, and grant each right a percentage based on current sustainable flows. Historic total allocation is x units.
Duh. If you see flood water in your house, it is time to jack the house up higher. ABOVE the flood line. In 1990, your house didn't flood historically. But climate has changed and now multiple floods are in your future. Jack that house up. The cost of jacking will be a lot less than replacing flood damage.
i❤ DESALANATION WATER
Add Lithium mining to the equation. Between using millions of gallons of water and the toxicity contamination- what could possibly go wrong
You failed to point out the latest type of desalination that has been developed just recently. It is easily scalable and leaves no salt brine behind to get rid of.
So at best it leaves behind the solid salt which still needs to be dealt with
Is it the one that takes the humid air from just above the surface of the ocean and condenses the water out of it?
@@kieranh2005 oh maybe? But in terms of scalability as energy efficiency? Reliability? May as well dig holes for lakes to fork next time it rains. It’s pretty much the same thing lol
What does it do with the salt?
@@kieranh2005 I see
Desalination requires HUGE amounts of energy.
UAE is the world’s leading desalinating country.
UAE just built 4 nuclear power plants.
UAE is smart.
Greenland was once green, before the climate change to become colder. I swear these people hate humanity.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop building cities in deserts.
Design competitions with judges and engineers on city designs. With follow through building infrastructure designs for new cities.
The average person uses 100 gal a day of water!? Wow, not here for us. We're in the country on a well, so we're careful how much we pull out of the ground. We also collect rain water for use with our garden, livestock and washing cars/trucks. People need to look into more sustainability for sure.
We live in scary times 😢😢
Use the brine to make salt. Create a pool and let the brine dries and the remaining product is salt
Salt Ion batteries could be made from this salt brine.
If you want to use that much salt, better make it grid level batteries.
so we are not talking about Sodium ion batteries, bat about High temperature NaS or about ZEBRA if you got the Nickel to spare.
Put solar panels on top to prevent vaporizing.
Great technology, why don’t we stop dumping our fresh rainwater into the ocean? We have more water in CA dumping into the ocean after one large rain storm than we use as a state in a year. Up and down the coast rivers dump tremendous quantities of rain water into the ocean. Then in early summer the snow melts quickly on the Sierras and again we dump more water than we use in a year down the rivers and into the ocean. It’s freakin crazy.
There have been increasing reports of ocean water reachong higher temperatures than ever before. Could these extreame temperatures be the Earth's way protecting itself through natural thermal desalination? Is there a way to measure and determine if this is happening?
That's interesting , where can I read it
Why don’t they start a salt monopoly with the brine?
The book Pluvicopia shows how the Red Sea Latent heat supplies sufficient water to flood the whole of the Arab Peninsula with all the water they could ever want. It has enough potential new aquifers to store enough water to control the sea level since the start of industrialization. Yes, that is 90 trillion tons of water, but we show how it is economically practical.
dont make farms in deserts...
Youd think wouldn't you.
A suggestion made many years ago pointed to the fact that 1/6 of the fresh water flow of the Yukon river in Alaska can supply all of the current water needs of all of the Western States. Just pipe it down!
besides costs and all of that, you do know that would likely destroy a lot of the local environments that relie on that amount of water flowing?
@@kkirschkk Since the reduction is less than the variability of the river's flow, its unlikely to have a major effect. And, few live anywhere near, versus nearly 80 million in the westem states.
@@lawrenceleske3470 You do know things like flood plains and the like also require said amount of water to actually be flood based ecosysems?
Also in doing this your just giving the western states a free pass to keep using water [and wasting it]. So what happens when in 50 years they need MORE water? do we simply keep draining a larger and larger share of it?
what if they demand water from somewhere closer like the Mississippi or the Great Lakes? should those ecosystems that support tens of millions of people be destroyed just to give the west a free pass?
Hello from Alaska I'm 49 single
I didn't even bother watching the rest of this video. The reason why we're short on water is because there's too many people on the planet