The ending was Sad!! Reggie Miller in tears, basically that was his last season in the nba. This incident destroyed his chances of winning the championship... Tragic!!
Still makes me sad and sick. Reggie Miller is still the man sticking with a small market team his whole career giving everything he had to the game and the city. I will always respect him as a player and human being. You was my childhood hero. Thanks for all the great memories much love.
@@kylecoffman9013 I agree with a lot of things you say but one thing you have to recognize some players stay with a small market team not because they are noble but because it's less pressure, less expectations, less work to do with a fan base that doesn't have high standards like a New York Knickerbocker fans like the Laker fans San Antonio fans etc so in a way it's not really admirable but lazy to stick with a small market team knowing that they're really not going to put too much pressure on you that's why Dirk nowitzki didn't dare leave Dallas because he was a coward
Jermaine invested everything, but it wasn't Reggie Miller 18 seasons levels of investment. He explained that himself in the film, and it's the _one and only thing_ *he regrets* that resulted from his conduct during the riot. But they are 100% right when it comes to specific players in the league, and the Thug Mentality. Sure some players embrace it in order to get ahead of players weak insults, but they shouldn't have to. You won't see many (if any) White players embracing that Thug Mentality. I was certainly shedding tears over this. It was painful to watch. That 2-sided demolition warning buzzer for a soundtrack genuinely sent my emotions over the edge. I experienced a building demolition as a young adolescent, watching a school I met/made many friends and memories in as a child, turn to utter rubble before my eyes. I've come as close as you can to _standing in their shoes,_ *without actually having to walk a mile in them.* At that point, they pretty much had me around wrapped around their every finger... He hit the nail on the head with Hockey. And I *LOVE* my Ice Hockey... I hope they were paid decent up-front for this, and are being paid on the back-end when the viewer tallies come in. Each and every one of the players earned it. P.S. F the crowd. If they didn't like what they were seeing, they could of acted like grown-ups, and left the stadium. Instead of pretending to be _The 6th Man_ Season Ticket Holders who had already bailed on the game which had been lost long before... If anyone involved in the film actually cares enough to read this: Great job everyone. 💯
Exactly but Artest and Jackson ended up winning a ring even tho they were the ones who really did most of the violence at the Palace. Jermaine had a punch that missed but besides that yeah
Comedian Bill Burr made an accurate segment about this and he is totally right - you cannot insult and throw stuff at athletes and not ever think there will be consequences.
Yeah, but whoever threw it did it to the wrong person. If it were Kobe or Kevin Durant, they would have just pointed out the guy and let security deal with it.
Stephen Jackson giving that prick who threw the second cup a haymaker was the most glorious thing I have ever seen. That guy got what was coming to him.
He’s a real one. And Jermaine’s sliding shot to drop that dude on the court for a second time, it didn’t land fully but It sure didn’t miss, had that dude’s neck disco’n across his shoulder.
Dude I remember that so well! Watched it live. This drunk fool invades the court, disrespects the game and challenges dudes three times his size to a fight. Yea buddy, there you go. I never had a problem with what the players did and I still don't... looks like the culture finally caught up to those of us who could figure out what happened from the original footage. The compilation of white talking heads repeating the word "thug" should shame us all.
@@mhdab2416 nah there you should a documentary on the crazy unprecedented LeBron hate and how pathetic the haters are lol. Most scrutinized athlete ever
@@maxh276 I know! The hate Lebron gets is crazy and beyond me. He is easily top 3 of all time. In my opinion he is top 2. Jordan is the only one can compare to him. And that is where I think the hate comes from. He is on or close to Jordan's level and that doesn't sit well with people.
Documentary was better than I thought it was gone be. I'm pleasantly surprised how much Ron Artest took responsibility for his actions. And I like how J.O. admitted he was friends with most of the Piston players. The idiot who threw the first beer is to blame for the whole thing
Well Ben Wallace deserves some blame as well for being so extra about that foul that was not that bad. Yes the fan that threw that cup though it’s crazy the chain of events that started.
Part of the reason why it was so good is because it really made me consider the effect it had on JOs career. As a basketball fan, I’ve watched all of their careers, but didn’t think about how after the palace, his career pretty much fizzled.
@@passwordyeah729 Players going into the crowd & swinging on fans, fans pelting players with cans & trash, people getting kicked in the head. It was pandemonium.
me too. It just kept going to the next level. I was literally lying on my back in bed, then sitting up, then standing up, then with my mouth wide open like.....is this really happening????
The accuracy of that cup throw is impressive. Dude probably jokingly threw it, thinking there was no way he would actually hit Artest, and the rest is history
How ? Like i highly doubt there is "untold" thing about Malice at the palacea at this point. Should be amazing watch for people who dont know the story tho.
Just finished this, really felt sorry for jermaine o'neal.” and Reggie Miller. At least Ron Artest took some responsibility after the Lakers championship win and called himself out.
You got the right username to be writing that! Some sports gods are not perfect people, not at all, and have to survive some real demons. I was cheering for Artest when he got that ring and thanked his therapist, and I see O'Neal and Miller like I do Barkley, 'Nique, Ewing, Nash, Iverson and other greats who never won a ring-- as greats, period.
Post game interview after winning a championship him saying “ I feel like a coward in their presence” was tough, but he cost that team and those guys big time. My thing is though they were clearly provoked/attacked and the NBA doesn’t get to decide how people react. Having all that footage, those suspensions should have been changed.
@@dca2c "The NBA," did not decide those suspensions, David Stern did that himself. He said it himself, "the decision was unanimous 1-0." Meaning, there was no debate, there was no mediator, there was no investigation. David Stern decided everything himself. That's part of why I hate David Stern, that and blocking the Chris Paul trade.
This doc was great. So was the incident! But I never realized how difficult it was for Jermaine O'Neal to get over it. He still hasn't. He was a damn good ball player too.
Poor Jermaine. Artest won the title with LA, Jackson wins it with SA, but poor Jermaine was left with nothing and he wasn't even the reason or cause behind this whole event.
The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired by 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015.
The fan that had season tickets that got interviewed because he came all the way down to the court with a clenched fist and then says “They did me wrong” What a tooooooooool
@@realrocky8591 I don’t even consider it a sucker punch! Dude came down ONTO THE FLOOR ready to throw hands. So what if he squared up to Ron Artest first he was looking for some alcohol fueled glory.
@@RyanScottie and it kills me because the whole time hes tryna square up with Artest, Artest is looking at him like "bro im not gonna fight you, go somewhere else". Haddad is a whole bitch and agreeing to do this docu made him look 1million times worse
@@RyanScottie the way he said Jermaine O'Neal came and "sucker punched" him "out of nowhere" and that it was a "bitch move" - *WHAT A JOKE.* Reviews of the footage showed that O'Neal slipped and missed him completely. *The guy wasn't even touched.*
@@jchen8902 That's what O'Neal's lawyers said but it's very clear that he connected. Watch yourself... He did slip, which took a lot of power out of the punch, but he 100% connected. The guy's head snaps back. watch?v=nw66OikTy9U
I was about 8 years old when this happened and I remember getting home with my family on a Friday night and sitting in the living room with my dad as he turned on ESPN and they were showing the brawl and the aftermath. I was so confused, I had never seen a brawl like that before
This was a great documentary on this horrible incident. You get the whole scenario from the players and team. Shows how the NBA league did the players wrong.
How did the nba do the players wrong? They didn’t let them get off scott free after charging into the stands and/or physically attacking fans? Including those that had nothing to do with it?
Jackson saying he doesn't wanna talk about it again is hilarious - the dude can't make it through any TV segment without alluding to how much of a tough guy he is. Matt Barnes too.
Actually the editing in this trailer was pretty sneaky. In the doc itself Jackson doesn't say he doesn't wanna talk about the fight. He said that he didn't want to talk about that guy who threw the beer. Lol
S-Jax speaks his mind on the before, during and after. Artest is all over the place but they make a point that he has some mental health problems, Ben deep voice Wallace is on there , Reggie imo is like the narrator, says good and bad about his team, he doesn't hold back.
The only thing you got from that, is “they are not tough guys”??? the NBA is full of tough guys , they obviously do not want to fight, because of the consequences. It’s called professionalism, they don’t want to lose the millions of dollars, sponsorships, fans. It’s obvious.
@@maxh276 it's as exciting as table tennis. 10 people taking turns to bounce a ball to the other side. Little bit better than volleyball in team sports.
@@jamesjross yea everyone shown there was racist as hell. Jermaine is right, Hockey has far more worse brawls but they don't call them thugs and you probably know why
@YT Censored 8 And were you in America? I was in my mid-20s. But in the UK. So it made news for one day here. But we do get the daily show and other American talk shows so I remember it being spoken about there - but it was 17 years ago... I'm mainly going by what I saw on the documentary, It brought up the feeling I had at the time. . - Also being a basketball fan I remember the clothing ban. It did and still does feel like it had racist undertones when put in full perspective. I think that was John Stewarts take on it as well.
This was really well made. A great story can make you empathize with everyone even when they did wrong. I felt bad for literally everyone in the doc at moments except the asshole who threw the beer.
"I feLt rEliEvEd" Was about to experience the same blackout as Artest did when hit by that beer when he said that. Green was the most thug of them all.
I worked at the Palace for 6 years as an Usher. The coolest job I ever had. They tore it down in July of 2020 - when there was absolutely nothing wrong with the arena. All because of politics to build Little Caesars Arena in Detroit for almost $900 million -with a huge chunk of that from our Michigan tax dollars -and have both the Pistons and Red Wings share it. Well the Red Wings could have just came to the Palace, and saved the Bankrupt city of Detroit from spending almost a Billion dollars. Every great Pistons moment was at the Palace -1989, 1990, 2004 World Champions. The Malice at the Palace (can't wait to see this Aug.10 on Netflix) and so many more great Palace memories. Still the best built arena I have ever been to. Way ahead of it's time in design and utilization of suites.
The Palace was maybe a little young to be demolished but I like that Detroit's 4 major sports all play in Detroit. I also wish the Illitches would come through on their promise to build housing instead of parking lots tho.
Yup, nailed it. Great post. I hate how they put them in the city where the crooked parking garage and lot owners can price gouge you. The new arena is freaking garbage too, worst seats I've ever seen, arena design sucks, heard the 2nd level is incredibly steep and scary. Then you have all these kids getting conned into buying condos, houses and renting apartments down there, only to find out they're going to have to deal with your car getting broken into, tires stolen, stink of weed, stadium traffic. It started to get run down really badly after Davidson died. When Gores took over, it nosedived a lot. I've heard they don't like NBA teams to share space with NHL teams because of condensation on the floor. If things don't turn around, I suspect the Pistons are going to move to Seattle or Vegas. Word is some teams might be getting contracted. Gotta be honest, it probably should be Milwaukee too, but they built that ridiculous new arena and won a championship. I don't want to see what's going to happen if Giannis ever leaves and goes somewhere else. They're done.
Long story short, those fans needed a reminder that shit-talking over 6 feet athletes who have been weightlifting their whole life does not work out for you in real life, and they got it that night.
I was in the Palace sitting there in the upper bowl opposite of the scorer's desk, which means I saw everything! The Pistons were down by a good amount, then this happened. Afterwards, the Palace was electric! Everyone was super hyped, believe it or not.
@@pabilitodossjr7160 FYI, I have not seen the doc yet. Here is what I remember, Pistons down by quite a few, and people were leaving to hit the road early. My group decided to stay, mostly because I think that when you decide to leave early, you will still be caught in a jam because you are not the only one thinking this, so might as well stay. With not much time left, Artest decides to hard foul Ben Wallace. It made no sense and got everyone there angry about it. Ben pushes back, then Artest decides to lay on the scorer's table. This is where, I believe, is the biggest mistake, because Ron decided to lay on OUR scorer's table like he owned the place. "No Ron-Ron, you do not own the Palace, WE do. We are Detroit, and you can't do that" is my first thought. My second thought then is "If Reggie or someone doesn't get him off the table, there's going to be some trouble". I thought the trouble was going to be from the Pistons themselves because this act was pretty egregious, in my opinion. You just don't lay there, with your hand behind your head on your main rival's scorer's table without making a statement. I believe this was a calculated move on Artest's part, no doubt. Someone should have told him that this was a bad idea. That is when I saw the cup, not in slow motion, but in real-time. It hit Ron, then everything went crazy. Instead of going after Ben, whom I whole believe Ron was totally afraid of (and who wouldn't be afraid of Ben Wallace), he then goes into the crowd. Stephen Jackson followed him soon after. Then, it seemed like everyone from the court was trying to get Ron and Jackson down, while most of the Pistons stood on the table at this time. This lasted what it seems for about a couple minutes. The court is then rushed by people who can rush it, and it was hard to see what was going on afterward. I didn't see the O'Neal punch until I got home and watched it on Sportscenter. I DO remember after everything was broken up, a crowd of people on all levels rushing to the player's entrance to dump shit all over the Pacers. It was insane! It turned a hoo humm finish into one of the greatest games I have ever been to! After everything was done, and the Pacers were off the floor, the Palace had a weird hype feeling to it. Like a "You don't come to our house starting shit" vibe. You wouldn't have guessed the Pistons lost big that night, as everyone was uber excited. You could cut the adrenaline from the crowd with a knife. It was a "we just beat this team in the finals" sort of vibe. The camaraderie and resolve with Pistons fans were very strong that night. Everyone hi-fiving each other and such. Yea, in hindsight, it was a terrible night for the NBA, and we all felt that also. Probably when we all sobered up from the adrenaline rush, there was that feeling to more people that were there. We knew the hammer was coming, and the Pistons were a favorite in the East, along with the Pacers. I do wish that the dude didn't throw that cup, it kinda messed things up, even though the Pistons still went to a game 7 in the finals with the Spurs that year. However, Ron Artest, IMHO, started this, first with the hard foul, which was not necessary at all, then sitting on the scorer's table like he did, thus giving the opportunity for him to get hit by that beer. If he had gone to his bench after almost getting his head knocked off by Ben with just a push, I swear, there would have been no Malice at the Palace. Yea, the drunk beer-throwing guy gets the blame, no doubt, but Ron should get a lot of the blame for fanning the flames. There were a lot of things at that moment he shouldn't have done, and some veteran should have seen this and removed him from that situation before the beer. That is my take that I have profoundly professed for the past ump-teen years.
@@HllywoodNova Artest said in an interview that he tried to calm Ben down and was trying to de-stress by laying down away from people on the table because he had bipolar and his teammates knew he needed space. Not defending anyone, that's just what he said
@@HllywoodNovawow that was a whole heap of dribble from you and all I really got from it in the end is you’re very one eyed and bias. What a stupid explanation of what really happened by you. By the way, the city of Detroit is a hole.
Man, I feel bad for Jermaine and Reggie. The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired by 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015 season.
damn the fan that threw the beer and the one that charged ron on the court have no remorse. worst pos's to exist and deserve to never attend a sporting event.
Man when that guy was giving smart ass answers to the regret questions I wanted to punch the screen. How you on camera proven being wrong and not atleast admit it even after seeing all the trouble you caused to others.
I watch this live on TV. I remember how shocked I was and everybody was asleep, so I couldn't tell my dad about it until the morning. The Internet wasn't really a thing so he kind of didn't believe me until he seen it on the news
Ron is bi-polar; it was quite clear, even then. He asked for time off because he knew his head wasn't right. That counseling wasn't enough. In his mind, he felt it made sense to lay on the bench and do his calming countdown. He was trying to AVOID further conflict, but that damn beer hit him, and...there you have it. The players who ran in the stands were wrong, but every single fan that attacked someone, threw a chair, or came on to the court to join in deserved everything they got ( black eyes, concussions, fines, penalties, jail).
Absolutely. I felt sorry for him watching this. He was trying to distance himself from a situation he couldn't control and almost managed it, but he kept getting provoked until he snapped. If we knew then what we know know about how to treat people with mental health issues he would have been protected
I always thought the players were in the wrong…but wow what an eye opening documentary. I now have a whole new perspective of these events and I was grossly wrong in my opinion. What a tragedy for the those players.
My entire perspective has changed on Ron Artest watching this documentary. The cup thrower John Green with his funny looking a**, and sitting up there laughing, it's a new day smug ahole!
I’m so glad they are releasing this documentary. After watching Ron Artest doc and also Jermaine O’ Neal’s feelings about Artest, I always wanted to hear the other players side. I remember O’ Neal mentioned how upset he was at Artest because this incident and them defending him cost him contract money and gave him a felony. It also cost them a potential championship season. The levels of arbitration and costs of endorsements lost. Even exclusion from publicity after leaving Indiana for some players.
And he listened, we're all responsible for our own actions as Ron the Buddhist should know. Btw dude obviously knows nothing about Buddhism judging by his comments on attachment.
Yeah, back in those days, there was pretty much no such thing as "stress and anxiety", especially not in sports, the military and such. There was no Simone Byles. Either you punk out or keep going, that simple. Gladly times have changed.
I hate to break it to you but Malice at the Palace happened in game 8 of the 2004-2005 season. So having the best record at the time with only 8 games is short sighted. That run through the playoffs would have to go through at the time the defending champs the Pistons. On top of that San Antonio was beginning their run. To be real I don't think they would have won the title. Their best chance was in 2000 when they got smoked by the Lakers.
@@vine5652 they had no answer for shaq in that series which means they had 0.00000% chance of winning a chip. The brawl at the palace was ignited by the pacers destroying the “defending champs” which if u saw that game you know the pacers would’ve ran through them in the playoffs
@@hoopzabba3229 You proved my point ok they won the first game against the defending champs so are you saying you are Nostradamus and can foresee the Pistons laying down for the Pacers on route to the finals? Really? The Pistons and the Spurs albeit boring were the best 2 teams.
They weren’t called “Thugs” because they were black. They were called “Thugs” because they ran into the crowd and threw punches at fans over a cup being thrown. In the documentary, Ron and Stephen Jackson even state that they were “of the streets”. Documentary doesn’t change the fact that this was the lowest point the NBA ever faced. That basketball players couldn’t control themselves enough not to sucker punch fans a foot smaller than them
Lol the replies are stupid. If this happened in any other sport that’s predominantly white you wouldn’t hear the media call the players “thugs” I guarantee that
@@kevinandrewsphotoyou can tell they were from the street by their actions. Acted like thugs instead of professional basketball players. The fan that threw the bottle was in the wrong however from that point on it was all on the players and they should have been suspended indefinitely without the possibility of ever playing for any team
You have to have a mentally ill player willing to charge the stands. Only player I've ever seen in years willing to do this was Ron Artest. There have been others though, but this was pretty bad.
You don’t really got crazy guys like Ron artest or Stephen Jackson anymore the only guy from today’s era I can see going into the stands like that is Bobby Portis
What a documentary! To me personally, NBA was so entertaining during this era, but I really do feel for Jermaine and Reggie, while Jackson and Artest went on to win championships 😪
I'm SOOO glad we getting an official Documentary on this event! Even if it ain't from ESPN or NBA. Woulda liked a 30 for 30 but this will do. The NBA don't want to shed light on it and bury it under the rug, but It needs to be told by the official people. So I'm glad for this! I will be tuning in!! I remember we were talking about this at school the next day!! The beginning of Corporate/Soft NBA.
@@derpmcgerp8062 Yes it was. Shed some light on a couple things I didn't know about. Just sucks they didn't show much of Big Ben in the interview. Woulda liked to hear more from him.
im a life long pistons fan with ben wallace being my all time fav player, so it was kinda cool seeing the other perspective of this incident. my math teacher was at this game and told us about it years later. was sad they demolished the palace, it was so not too far from where i lived :'(
This documentary was incredibly compelling and unlocked a lot of memories for me I didn’t know I had deep down. I was 12 or 13 when this happened, living in a small Indiana town with DEVOTED pacer family. The word “thug” was used to much at every family event for years. And watching this broke my heart. The narrative that the NBA and the media set out against these players- not just Ron who was the biggest instigator but against black men in the league- was absolutely abysmal, and heart breaking. And to hear the exact things I heard coming out of my older family members mouths to be verbatim what was played on those news reports was particularly stirring for me. This was an incredible documentary for me. Wow. I hope that those who participated feel like they were able to get some closure for themselves, and I truly pray they never have to relive that night again
What the Doc better say is Ben Wallace is the cause of what happened, that foul by Artest was nothing. It wasn't even considered a flagrant foul. Ben was just mad the Pacers were kicking there ass.
Ben didn't make a dumb fan throw a cup at Ron Artest. Fans shouldn't be allowed to physically disrespect a player and expect no retaliation. The players shouldn't have been giving that long of a suspension it cost the Pacers a shot at the title because a fan got what they ask for. League protecting the racists but now they taking a different stance, huh.
@@Richard-xo2uv Yeah but if not for overreacting to a foul that was a little hard but not even a flagrant Artest would not have been on that table cooling down, counting to 5 like his therapist instructed him to do.
@@Richard-xo2uv I will definitely agree that the fan is at fault. But at the end of the day I don’t think Ron or ben ever had plans of fighting each other Ron did the correct thing he went and try to calm his self down because he is somebody to struggles with mental health issues so he did with his therapist told him to do which was to go calm down.
That was such a big game too. The previous year the Pacers had a shot at the title but couldn't get over the Pistons after Detroit traded for Rasheed Wallace. This game was supposed to send a message to Detroit that the Pacers were gunning for the title. Reggie was close to retirement and everyone wanted it BAD. This brawl let it all get away. Pacers still made the playoffs this year.
Stephen Jackson was the missing ingredient they needed for a championship and then all the suspensions happened it was all done and dusted........Really felt for Jemaine.
Not a basketball fan but it's 1am, I'm bored and I got inspired by Lebron's incident a couple days ago so I watched it lol. Good documentary, I like how open and honest the players were about what happened and how it affected them. Can't help but feel for Reggie especially. Well executed and explained. 8/10
i use to play sports. when you guys are on a team with teammates you guys are like brothers. almost at war so to speak against the other team. so when one of your teamatets is in trouble we ALL COME to help.
I'll never forget I was in Detroit and I went to Kobe's last game in Detroit Ron Artest was his teammate at the time on the Lakers and I'll never forget when Ron was subbed into the game the entire Arena started booing him at first I had no clue what was happening and then it hit me they still remember about the malice at the palace
Wow, at the end it was so intense!! I'm from Michigan, and I remember this unfortunate incident all to well, but the insights and ppl talking about it was a recipe for chaos... great NBA doc!
I was there and left B4 the shit hit the fan. The Pistons we're losing and weren't coming back. I remember hearing it in the car waiting to leave the parking lot
The true hero of this whole situation is that Oakland County Commissioner David Gorcyca for doing his job and catching the ones responsible for this situation rather than letting the Media try to get into his ear
it wasse a cup of beer... a public figure like that (the players) allowing themselfs to get into that negative mindset reaction and emotion is the problem here... mental issues or not... what u really wanne do is smile and ask for another refreshment...not wanting to beat the shit out of him.(and make your own actions) .. if i hit u... ask yourself why i hit u...not how i hurt u and how u can hurt me back...compassion....understanding... let it go....
Is nobody going to mention why no security guards at such event. How scary. Surprised the players and or fans didn't sue the NBA and city for lack in safety measures that place had.
@@ljay2k12 They interviewed Wallace and one of the Piston's fan, and they are clearly against Artest however what happened was ridiculous since that beer went to fly.
I was in the 9th grade when this happened, everyone was talking about this when we went back to school! Shit was crazy!!! Me and my dad was just looking at the screen like 😲😳 in total disbelief. Best live TV event ever
@@Unknown-nc4jq it's not about hurting anyone. But it's also understanding that the sport involves physical contact. Not the parade of flopping you see today. It's also undeniable that after this brawl the league switched its stance on a low block physical play and preferred the high scoring perimeter game you see today.
I beg to differ, many people most certainly think white NHL and NFL players can be awful. Many of the people living in OHL towns do not like the players and think they are rapists. Look at Todd Bertuzzi. Everyone thinks he was a thug. Not sure where you're getting this nonsense from.
This seems like the response of someone who doesn't know anything about hockey. Do you really know that "no one ever calls them 'thugs'" or did you hear one of the interviewees in this doc say that, and just accept it as fact?
Fans should stop behaving like assholes, but players should never go into the stands.....EVER. I watched this last night, saw everything Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson wanted me to see and still have the same opinion. The one fan who "wound up on the floor somehow" was a punk ass, though. "I didn't even see him there and he sucker punched me(Artest)" bull shit! You had your fist doubled up and ready to throw down before Artest even saw you.
that dude on the interview acting like he did nothing wrong up to this day. like wtf, you're not supposed to be on the court pulling up to the player. he's a moron and he's a waste of a screen time
He was referring to Jermaine O'Neal, who utterly obliterated him with that sliding punch. But by definition that was no sucker punch, O'Neal came straight at him. The documentary lets this fool dig his own grave by just letting him talk. As we saw this year in the playoffs, stadiums need to get better at dealing with these drunken louts.
@@SuperRobertoClemente Definitely. When Reggie pointed out how the nosebleed drunk fans moved up to the front, and then the fact there were bary any security or police there, it was a bad conclusion just waiting to happen.
I’m not a sports guy in the least but I found this absolutely fascinating. The hockey episode is even more fascinating, haven’t seen the other 2 yet but I’ll knock at least one down tonight
Buying a ticket doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you want it goes both ways as being paid millions of dollars doesn't give you the right either. But at the end of the day we're all humans not robot fans step over the lines further and further and expect no kind of repercussions or anything bad to happen to them. Because alot of people live in their own fantasy worlds.
@@edweer670 Who said you did. I'm stating that fans own 50 percent of the blame for this incident as players own the other 50. And stating that fans have been going over boundaries that they know they shouldn't for decades specifically hockey and international soccer I've seen worse incidents than this. And just because you buy a ticket for an event or are getting paid for the event then you don't get free reign to do whatever you want without an reaction or consequence.
A brawl broke out near the end of a game between the Indiana Pacers and the Detroit Pistons on November 19, 2004. Nearly 17 years later, we re-examine that night and all the consequences they came from it.
They should’ve added how this changed the NBA forever. As in Refs now have the license to give a tech to a player for just looking at him funny. I’m not even trying to be funny with that scenario. Tim Duncan - the Face of the NBA when it comes to professionalism - got a Tech just for smiling at a Referee.
I was around back then. Netflix is manufacturing controversy. Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest were two of the worst guys in the NBA at the time and many other NBA players of that era were absolutely detestable, awful people compared to the players in the eighties and nineties. They wanted to be known as thugs and acted like it. It was not racism. You're being played and naive about reality.
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The ending was Sad!! Reggie Miller in tears, basically that was his last season in the nba. This incident destroyed his chances of winning the championship... Tragic!!
Jermaine O’Neal as well
Did he ever win a ring? Man I felt the most for him.
@@Dideeeee Nope!
Still makes me sad and sick. Reggie Miller is still the man sticking with a small market team his whole career giving everything he had to the game and the city. I will always respect him as a player and human being. You was my childhood hero. Thanks for all the great memories much love.
@@kylecoffman9013 I agree with a lot of things you say but one thing you have to recognize some players stay with a small market team not because they are noble but because it's less pressure, less expectations, less work to do with a fan base that doesn't have high standards like a New York Knickerbocker fans like the Laker fans San Antonio fans etc so in a way it's not really admirable but lazy to stick with a small market team knowing that they're really not going to put too much pressure on you that's why Dirk nowitzki didn't dare leave Dallas because he was a coward
I feel bad for reggie and Jermaine for not getting the ring. They gave everything.
Agree
Jermaine invested everything, but it wasn't Reggie Miller 18 seasons levels of investment.
He explained that himself in the film, and it's the _one and only thing_ *he regrets* that resulted from his conduct during the riot. But they are 100% right when it comes to specific players in the league, and the Thug Mentality. Sure some players embrace it in order to get ahead of players weak insults, but they shouldn't have to. You won't see many (if any) White players embracing that Thug Mentality. I was certainly shedding tears over this. It was painful to watch. That 2-sided demolition warning buzzer for a soundtrack genuinely sent my emotions over the edge. I experienced a building demolition as a young adolescent, watching a school I met/made many friends and memories in as a child, turn to utter rubble before my eyes. I've come as close as you can to _standing in their shoes,_ *without actually having to walk a mile in them.* At that point, they pretty much had me around wrapped around their every finger...
He hit the nail on the head with Hockey. And I *LOVE* my Ice Hockey...
I hope they were paid decent up-front for this, and are being paid on the back-end when the viewer tallies come in. Each and every one of the players earned it.
P.S. F the crowd. If they didn't like what they were seeing, they could of acted like grown-ups, and left the stadium. Instead of pretending to be _The 6th Man_ Season Ticket Holders who had already bailed on the game which had been lost long before...
If anyone involved in the film actually cares enough to read this: Great job everyone. 💯
@@jb34304 what the hell did I just read.
Reggie Miller, childhood hero, but those LAKERS, fkkkkkkkkkk
Light at the end of eastern conference tunnel, finally......TREX waiting at the exit, cry
Exactly but Artest and Jackson ended up winning a ring even tho they were the ones who really did most of the violence at the Palace. Jermaine had a punch that missed but besides that yeah
Comedian Bill Burr made an accurate segment about this and he is totally right - you cannot insult and throw stuff at athletes and not ever think there will be consequences.
Yeah, but whoever threw it did it to the wrong person. If it were Kobe or Kevin Durant, they would have just pointed out the guy and let security deal with it.
Wow, no shit 🤷
Comedian? You mean philosopher
This is one of the darkest days in sports history and it changed the trajectory of the game.
I bet the guy who ran to the court who tried to attack them and Jermaine O’Neal knocked his jaw out of place still feels that punch to this day
Stephen Jackson giving that prick who threw the second cup a haymaker was the most glorious thing I have ever seen. That guy got what was coming to him.
The thing was that prick was not the one who threw the cup, Metta himself said
@@gabeagca2758 Stephen Jackson hit the second guy to throw one. As he ran up the guy threw a beer in Ron face. That’s what made Jackson start swinging
He’s a real one. And Jermaine’s sliding shot to drop that dude on the court for a second time, it didn’t land fully but
It sure didn’t miss, had that dude’s neck disco’n across his shoulder.
Dude I remember that so well! Watched it live. This drunk fool invades the court, disrespects the game and challenges dudes three times his size to a fight. Yea buddy, there you go. I never had a problem with what the players did and I still don't... looks like the culture finally caught up to those of us who could figure out what happened from the original footage. The compilation of white talking heads repeating the word "thug" should shame us all.
@@neonnights16 reggie miller said if jermaine didnt slide, that guy would be dead
Keep the NBA docs coming Netflix, you'll always get huge numbers.
LeBron China James next doc pls
@@mhdab2416 nah there you should a documentary on the crazy unprecedented LeBron hate and how pathetic the haters are lol. Most scrutinized athlete ever
@@maxh276 I know! The hate Lebron gets is crazy and beyond me. He is easily top 3 of all time. In my opinion he is top 2. Jordan is the only one can compare to him. And that is where I think the hate comes from. He is on or close to Jordan's level and that doesn't sit well with people.
Every player has a wonderful story.
Yeah! It was a really good doc. It answered all of my questions.
Documentary was better than I thought it was gone be. I'm pleasantly surprised how much Ron Artest took responsibility for his actions. And I like how J.O. admitted he was friends with most of the Piston players. The idiot who threw the first beer is to blame for the whole thing
Ron is definately to blame and he's not taking responsibility.
Well Ben Wallace deserves some blame as well for being so extra about that foul that was not that bad. Yes the fan that threw that cup though it’s crazy the chain of events that started.
Ron did the foul but Ben took it serious because Ben’s brother passed away. I still blame Ron for doing it in the first place
Part of the reason why it was so good is because it really made me consider the effect it had on JOs career. As a basketball fan, I’ve watched all of their careers, but didn’t think about how after the palace, his career pretty much fizzled.
That guy who threw the beer was the biggest POS in his interview he had no remorse or apologized. What a fuckin loser.
Man I remember watching this live and couldn't believe it. Shit was madness. Glad we getting a documentary on it.
same nba will never be the same haaha shit was crazy.
It weren't madness. Them fans thought they could treat playahs like animals in a circus, and it bit them in the ass.
What happened?
@@passwordyeah729 Players going into the crowd & swinging on fans, fans pelting players with cans & trash, people getting kicked in the head. It was pandemonium.
me too. It just kept going to the next level. I was literally lying on my back in bed, then sitting up, then standing up, then with my mouth wide open like.....is this really happening????
The accuracy of that cup throw is impressive. Dude probably jokingly threw it, thinking there was no way he would actually hit Artest, and the rest is history
He jokingly thought he could get away with it, tail btwn his legs when he saw Metta coming 😂
The thing is the wrong guy got it worse.
Not really.
when he said he didn't care that Ron artist attacked the guy next to him, that just showed me he was just rotten to the core.
@@tortangtalong1 I'm sure he got paid.
This is gonna be one of the greatest sports documentaries of this decade
How ? Like i highly doubt there is "untold" thing about Malice at the palacea at this point. Should be amazing watch for people who dont know the story tho.
No it isn't lol
The last dance
@@batuhanaydn6201 There will be behind the scenes stuff that we don't know.
U forgot about last dance?
Just finished this, really felt sorry for jermaine o'neal.” and Reggie Miller.
At least Ron Artest took some responsibility after the Lakers championship win and called himself out.
You got the right username to be writing that! Some sports gods are not perfect people, not at all, and have to survive some real demons. I was cheering for Artest when he got that ring and thanked his therapist, and I see O'Neal and Miller like I do Barkley, 'Nique, Ewing, Nash, Iverson and other greats who never won a ring-- as greats, period.
Post game interview after winning a championship him saying “ I feel like a coward in their presence” was tough, but he cost that team and those guys big time.
My thing is though they were clearly provoked/attacked and the NBA doesn’t get to decide how people react. Having all that footage, those suspensions should have been changed.
@@dca2c "The NBA," did not decide those suspensions, David Stern did that himself. He said it himself, "the decision was unanimous 1-0." Meaning, there was no debate, there was no mediator, there was no investigation. David Stern decided everything himself. That's part of why I hate David Stern, that and blocking the Chris Paul trade.
@@adrianrocha49 it was the right decision
@@lukef1586
No it wasn't.
This doc was great. So was the incident! But I never realized how difficult it was for Jermaine O'Neal to get over it. He still hasn't. He was a damn good ball player too.
Poor Jermaine. Artest won the title with LA, Jackson wins it with SA, but poor Jermaine was left with nothing and he wasn't even the reason or cause behind this whole event.
staks won his spurs ring in 2003.
The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired by 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015.
@@makl593 pretty cursed if you ask me
Maybe he shouldn't have sucker punched a fan like a bitch.
What about Reggie??
The fan that had season tickets that got interviewed because he came all the way down to the court with a clenched fist and then says
“They did me wrong”
What a tooooooooool
UnfuckingBelievable
@@realrocky8591 I don’t even consider it a sucker punch! Dude came down ONTO THE FLOOR ready to throw hands. So what if he squared up to Ron Artest first he was looking for some alcohol fueled glory.
@@RyanScottie and it kills me because the whole time hes tryna square up with Artest, Artest is looking at him like "bro im not gonna fight you, go somewhere else". Haddad is a whole bitch and agreeing to do this docu made him look 1million times worse
@@RyanScottie the way he said Jermaine O'Neal came and "sucker punched" him "out of nowhere" and that it was a "bitch move" - *WHAT A JOKE.* Reviews of the footage showed that O'Neal slipped and missed him completely. *The guy wasn't even touched.*
@@jchen8902 That's what O'Neal's lawyers said but it's very clear that he connected. Watch yourself... He did slip, which took a lot of power out of the punch, but he 100% connected. The guy's head snaps back. watch?v=nw66OikTy9U
I was about 8 years old when this happened and I remember getting home with my family on a Friday night and sitting in the living room with my dad as he turned on ESPN and they were showing the brawl and the aftermath. I was so confused, I had never seen a brawl like that before
This was a great documentary on this horrible incident. You get the whole scenario from the players and team. Shows how the NBA league did the players wrong.
Stern was always a piece of shit. This was his lowest moment of all.
It was absolutely terrible and woke revisionism.
@@SuperRobertoClemente I want what you're smoking. Stern did everything right after that. He sent a message, he was a real leader, not an apologist.
How did the nba do the players wrong? They didn’t let them get off scott free after charging into the stands and/or physically attacking fans? Including those that had nothing to do with it?
@@nickraad77 clearly you haven’t watched the documentary properly.
Jackson saying he doesn't wanna talk about it again is hilarious - the dude can't make it through any TV segment without alluding to how much of a tough guy he is. Matt Barnes too.
he did say in this docu that nobody in the NBA really wanna fight tho, so he's kinda admitting they're not really tough guys,
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Actually the editing in this trailer was pretty sneaky. In the doc itself Jackson doesn't say he doesn't wanna talk about the fight. He said that he didn't want to talk about that guy who threw the beer. Lol
S-Jax speaks his mind on the before, during and after. Artest is all over the place but they make a point that he has some mental health problems, Ben deep voice Wallace is on there , Reggie imo is like the narrator, says good and bad about his team, he doesn't hold back.
The only thing you got from that, is “they are not tough guys”???
the NBA is full of tough guys , they obviously do not want to fight, because of the consequences.
It’s called professionalism, they don’t want to lose the millions of dollars, sponsorships, fans.
It’s obvious.
This is pretty much the craziest night in NBA history! Yeah, I’m gonna watch this.
It's a very boring game
@@bfc2155 nah u just have a boring mentality. NBA basketball is actually pretty exciting. Much better than soccer or football imo
@@maxh276 it's as exciting as table tennis. 10 people taking turns to bounce a ball to the other side. Little bit better than volleyball in team sports.
@@maxh276 i Agree with you , for me NBA games is the best
@@bfc2155 that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. but i think there are a good number of people out there who'd disagree
I don’t knock Ron for doing what he did. Fans is outta bounds
It's the way the media jumped on them. It felt like race crept into it. "Thug" is a loaded word and it was thrown around a lot after this.
@@jamesjross because they were black
@@jamesjross yea everyone shown there was racist as hell. Jermaine is right, Hockey has far more worse brawls but they don't call them thugs and you probably know why
@YT Censored 8 How old are you?
@YT Censored 8 And were you in America? I was in my mid-20s. But in the UK. So it made news for one day here. But we do get the daily show and other American talk shows so I remember it being spoken about there - but it was 17 years ago... I'm mainly going by what I saw on the documentary, It brought up the feeling I had at the time. . - Also being a basketball fan I remember the clothing ban. It did and still does feel like it had racist undertones when put in full perspective. I think that was John Stewarts take on it as well.
Jermaine hasn't aged a day
Reggie Miller as well he looks basically the same as he did in the 90s
This was really well made. A great story can make you empathize with everyone even when they did wrong. I felt bad for literally everyone in the doc at moments except the asshole who threw the beer.
"I feLt rEliEvEd"
Was about to experience the same blackout as Artest did when hit by that beer when he said that.
Green was the most thug of them all.
I worked at the Palace for 6 years as an Usher. The coolest job I ever had. They tore it down in July of 2020 - when there was absolutely nothing wrong with the arena. All because of politics to build Little Caesars Arena in Detroit for almost $900 million -with a huge chunk of that from our Michigan tax dollars -and have both the Pistons and Red Wings share it. Well the Red Wings could have just came to the Palace, and saved the Bankrupt city of Detroit from spending almost a Billion dollars. Every great Pistons moment was at the Palace -1989, 1990, 2004 World Champions. The Malice at the Palace (can't wait to see this Aug.10 on Netflix) and so many more great Palace memories. Still the best built arena I have ever been to. Way ahead of it's time in design and utilization of suites.
The Palace was maybe a little young to be demolished but I like that Detroit's 4 major sports all play in Detroit.
I also wish the Illitches would come through on their promise to build housing instead of parking lots tho.
Yup, nailed it. Great post. I hate how they put them in the city where the crooked parking garage and lot owners can price gouge you. The new arena is freaking garbage too, worst seats I've ever seen, arena design sucks, heard the 2nd level is incredibly steep and scary. Then you have all these kids getting conned into buying condos, houses and renting apartments down there, only to find out they're going to have to deal with your car getting broken into, tires stolen, stink of weed, stadium traffic. It started to get run down really badly after Davidson died. When Gores took over, it nosedived a lot. I've heard they don't like NBA teams to share space with NHL teams because of condensation on the floor.
If things don't turn around, I suspect the Pistons are going to move to Seattle or Vegas. Word is some teams might be getting contracted. Gotta be honest, it probably should be Milwaukee too, but they built that ridiculous new arena and won a championship. I don't want to see what's going to happen if Giannis ever leaves and goes somewhere else. They're done.
One of the greatest moment in sports.
Thoroughly enjoyed this doc and I’ve never watched the NBA. It had great story telling and suspense. Thank you Netflix!
Long story short, those fans needed a reminder that shit-talking over 6 feet athletes who have been weightlifting their whole life does not work out for you in real life, and they got it that night.
Okay just watched man, man i feel soooo bad for Reggie man
The players got rocked by fans too
Hadad that guy deserved that punch
Yes, nice way to absolve the players for crossing the line from beer throwing to fistfights.
Netflix wins with this one. It’s been a long time coming.
As a Pistons fan, it was total garbage. 90% fluff.
I was in the Palace sitting there in the upper bowl opposite of the scorer's desk, which means I saw everything! The Pistons were down by a good amount, then this happened. Afterwards, the Palace was electric! Everyone was super hyped, believe it or not.
@@pabilitodossjr7160 FYI, I have not seen the doc yet.
Here is what I remember, Pistons down by quite a few, and people were leaving to hit the road early. My group decided to stay, mostly because I think that when you decide to leave early, you will still be caught in a jam because you are not the only one thinking this, so might as well stay.
With not much time left, Artest decides to hard foul Ben Wallace. It made no sense and got everyone there angry about it. Ben pushes back, then Artest decides to lay on the scorer's table. This is where, I believe, is the biggest mistake, because Ron decided to lay on OUR scorer's table like he owned the place. "No Ron-Ron, you do not own the Palace, WE do. We are Detroit, and you can't do that" is my first thought. My second thought then is "If Reggie or someone doesn't get him off the table, there's going to be some trouble". I thought the trouble was going to be from the Pistons themselves because this act was pretty egregious, in my opinion. You just don't lay there, with your hand behind your head on your main rival's scorer's table without making a statement. I believe this was a calculated move on Artest's part, no doubt. Someone should have told him that this was a bad idea.
That is when I saw the cup, not in slow motion, but in real-time.
It hit Ron, then everything went crazy. Instead of going after Ben, whom I whole believe Ron was totally afraid of (and who wouldn't be afraid of Ben Wallace), he then goes into the crowd. Stephen Jackson followed him soon after. Then, it seemed like everyone from the court was trying to get Ron and Jackson down, while most of the Pistons stood on the table at this time. This lasted what it seems for about a couple minutes. The court is then rushed by people who can rush it, and it was hard to see what was going on afterward. I didn't see the O'Neal punch until I got home and watched it on Sportscenter. I DO remember after everything was broken up, a crowd of people on all levels rushing to the player's entrance to dump shit all over the Pacers. It was insane! It turned a hoo humm finish into one of the greatest games I have ever been to!
After everything was done, and the Pacers were off the floor, the Palace had a weird hype feeling to it. Like a "You don't come to our house starting shit" vibe. You wouldn't have guessed the Pistons lost big that night, as everyone was uber excited. You could cut the adrenaline from the crowd with a knife. It was a "we just beat this team in the finals" sort of vibe. The camaraderie and resolve with Pistons fans were very strong that night. Everyone hi-fiving each other and such.
Yea, in hindsight, it was a terrible night for the NBA, and we all felt that also. Probably when we all sobered up from the adrenaline rush, there was that feeling to more people that were there. We knew the hammer was coming, and the Pistons were a favorite in the East, along with the Pacers. I do wish that the dude didn't throw that cup, it kinda messed things up, even though the Pistons still went to a game 7 in the finals with the Spurs that year.
However, Ron Artest, IMHO, started this, first with the hard foul, which was not necessary at all, then sitting on the scorer's table like he did, thus giving the opportunity for him to get hit by that beer. If he had gone to his bench after almost getting his head knocked off by Ben with just a push, I swear, there would have been no Malice at the Palace.
Yea, the drunk beer-throwing guy gets the blame, no doubt, but Ron should get a lot of the blame for fanning the flames. There were a lot of things at that moment he shouldn't have done, and some veteran should have seen this and removed him from that situation before the beer.
That is my take that I have profoundly professed for the past ump-teen years.
@@HllywoodNova Artest said in an interview that he tried to calm Ben down and was trying to de-stress by laying down away from people on the table because he had bipolar and his teammates knew he needed space. Not defending anyone, that's just what he said
@@HllywoodNovawow that was a whole heap of dribble from you and all I really got from it in the end is you’re very one eyed and bias.
What a stupid explanation of what really happened by you.
By the way, the city of Detroit is a hole.
Man, I feel bad for Jermaine and Reggie. The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired by 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015 season.
I'll finally be able to fully appreciate that old Bill Burr routine.
damn the fan that threw the beer and the one that charged ron on the court have no remorse. worst pos's to exist and deserve to never attend a sporting event.
Man when that guy was giving smart ass answers to the regret questions I wanted to punch the screen. How you on camera proven being wrong and not atleast admit it even after seeing all the trouble you caused to others.
💯
I watch this live on TV. I remember how shocked I was and everybody was asleep, so I couldn't tell my dad about it until the morning. The Internet wasn't really a thing so he kind of didn't believe me until he seen it on the news
Ron is bi-polar; it was quite clear, even then. He asked for time off because he knew his head wasn't right. That counseling wasn't enough. In his mind, he felt it made sense to lay on the bench and do his calming countdown. He was trying to AVOID further conflict, but that damn beer hit him, and...there you have it. The players who ran in the stands were wrong, but every single fan that attacked someone, threw a chair, or came on to the court to join in deserved everything they got ( black eyes, concussions, fines, penalties, jail).
Absolutely. I felt sorry for him watching this. He was trying to distance himself from a situation he couldn't control and almost managed it, but he kept getting provoked until he snapped. If we knew then what we know know about how to treat people with mental health issues he would have been protected
It comes down to entertaining the idea of the love of brother man! We change or we die!
I always thought the players were in the wrong…but wow what an eye opening documentary. I now have a whole new perspective of these events and I was grossly wrong in my opinion. What a tragedy for the those players.
everyone always wanted to know what would happen if the players ever made it up to the stands. Well they got up there lol
Bill Burr, right?! 😁
They'd get beat senseless, there's no winning with 20vs3000
My entire perspective has changed on Ron Artest watching this documentary. The cup thrower John Green with his funny looking a**, and sitting up there laughing, it's a new day smug ahole!
Watch Ron's documentary for more insight. It's really good.
I’m so glad they are releasing this documentary. After watching Ron Artest doc and also Jermaine O’ Neal’s feelings about Artest, I always wanted to hear the other players side. I remember O’ Neal mentioned how upset he was at Artest because this incident and them defending him cost him contract money and gave him a felony. It also cost them a potential championship season. The levels of arbitration and costs of endorsements lost. Even exclusion from publicity after leaving Indiana for some players.
I never knew Tinsley told Artest to go get his foul!? That’s like giving a shark a machine gun??? Stupid
Me either i just found out a couple days days
So Tinsley set the whole thing off. Where was his repercussions at?
@@LifeIsNotorious oh he said something to another player...I guess he deserved a suspension for that.
And he listened, we're all responsible for our own actions as Ron the Buddhist should know. Btw dude obviously knows nothing about Buddhism judging by his comments on attachment.
i agree but every man is responsible for himself. but it seems rom at the time wasn't in the right mind. maybe tinsley took advantage
I feel bad for Reggie and JO. I do commend Ron for admitting what he did. This doc is quality
Yeah I’m glad we got to see who the real POS was!
They also shed some light on Ron's mental health.
Yeah, back in those days, there was pretty much no such thing as "stress and anxiety", especially not in sports, the military and such. There was no Simone Byles. Either you punk out or keep going, that simple. Gladly times have changed.
I love a lot of respect for him after watching this doc.
really even back then they don't know much about anxiety? wow.
What people don’t know is that the pacers were on track to run through the playoffs, best record in the nba during the time then this happens
Yep. What sucks is that it was honestly Reggie Miller's last chance at a Championship.
I hate to break it to you but Malice at the Palace happened in game 8 of the 2004-2005 season. So having the best record at the time with only 8 games is short sighted. That run through the playoffs would have to go through at the time the defending champs the Pistons. On top of that San Antonio was beginning their run. To be real I don't think they would have won the title. Their best chance was in 2000 when they got smoked by the Lakers.
@@vine5652 they had no answer for shaq in that series which means they had 0.00000% chance of winning a chip. The brawl at the palace was ignited by the pacers destroying the “defending champs” which if u saw that game you know the pacers would’ve ran through them in the playoffs
@@hoopzabba3229 You proved my point ok they won the first game against the defending champs so are you saying you are Nostradamus and can foresee the Pistons laying down for the Pacers on route to the finals? Really? The Pistons and the Spurs albeit boring were the best 2 teams.
@@vine5652 San Antonio wasn't just beginning their run, they already won two championships, LOL.
Amazing documentary!!! It’s sad how the black athletes were viewed as “thugs” even though those fans provoked them and got what they deserved!!!
Stephen Jackson was a thug, and an idiot blowhard. Ron Artest is a little more complicated.
Nice.. had to bring race into it
They weren’t called “Thugs” because they were black. They were called “Thugs” because they ran into the crowd and threw punches at fans over a cup being thrown. In the documentary, Ron and Stephen Jackson even state that they were “of the streets”. Documentary doesn’t change the fact that this was the lowest point the NBA ever faced. That basketball players couldn’t control themselves enough not to sucker punch fans a foot smaller than them
Lol the replies are stupid. If this happened in any other sport that’s predominantly white you wouldn’t hear the media call the players “thugs” I guarantee that
@@kevinandrewsphotoyou can tell they were from the street by their actions. Acted like thugs instead of professional basketball players. The fan that threw the bottle was in the wrong however from that point on it was all on the players and they should have been suspended indefinitely without the possibility of ever playing for any team
Just finished watching the documentary. It was excellent!! It was great to see the players perspective instead of what the media portrayed.
It was great but they shoulda got the dude that threw the cup to talk. In the interviews they showed of him he was laughing like it was all a joke smh
Yea dude was beyond cringe. And the fan that got dropped twice when he ran on the court.
People have been asking for this and I'm glad that it will now be told from all of their POVs.
Considering how the fans acted during the playoffs this year, I bet we have a good chance of a Malice Pt 2 this season.
Nope probably never gonna happen again
No. Security is out the ass. However, is Westbrook didn't have security, I guarantee he'd go into the stands.
Players hella soft nowadays, definitely aint happening again.
You have to have a mentally ill player willing to charge the stands. Only player I've ever seen in years willing to do this was Ron Artest. There have been others though, but this was pretty bad.
You don’t really got crazy guys like Ron artest or Stephen Jackson anymore the only guy from today’s era I can see going into the stands like that is Bobby Portis
Just finish watching this documentary.. Wowwwww. And O'Neil he such a gentleman.
The ending with jermaine O’Neal & the palace hit. That’s wild. Until it got demolished
What a documentary! To me personally, NBA was so entertaining during this era, but I really do feel for Jermaine and Reggie, while Jackson and Artest went on to win championships 😪
I'm SOOO glad we getting an official Documentary on this event! Even if it ain't from ESPN or NBA.
Woulda liked a 30 for 30 but this will do.
The NBA don't want to shed light on it and bury it under the rug, but It needs to be told by the official people.
So I'm glad for this! I will be tuning in!! I remember we were talking about this at school the next day!!
The beginning of Corporate/Soft NBA.
Just finished watching it. It was actually really good, better than I thought it would be. 👌
@@derpmcgerp8062
Yes it was.
Shed some light on a couple things I didn't know about.
Just sucks they didn't show much of Big Ben in the interview.
Woulda liked to hear more from him.
@@Akumaten1 true
@@Akumaten1 I would've loved if they interviewed more Pistons players, coaches, etc. It was much more Pacer-centric than it could've been.
@@Akumaten1 Crazy that the fan that ran on the court basically still thinks he had the right to. Says a lot about that night.
im a life long pistons fan with ben wallace being my all time fav player, so it was kinda cool seeing the other perspective of this incident. my math teacher was at this game and told us about it years later. was sad they demolished the palace, it was so not too far from where i lived :'(
Can’t wait to see this. 🤯
This documentary was incredibly compelling and unlocked a lot of memories for me I didn’t know I had deep down. I was 12 or 13 when this happened, living in a small Indiana town with DEVOTED pacer family. The word “thug” was used to much at every family event for years. And watching this broke my heart. The narrative that the NBA and the media set out against these players- not just Ron who was the biggest instigator but against black men in the league- was absolutely abysmal, and heart breaking. And to hear the exact things I heard coming out of my older family members mouths to be verbatim what was played on those news reports was particularly stirring for me.
This was an incredible documentary for me. Wow. I hope that those who participated feel like they were able to get some closure for themselves, and I truly pray they never have to relive that night again
wre can i watch it?
What the Doc better say is Ben Wallace is the cause of what happened, that foul by Artest was nothing. It wasn't even considered a flagrant foul. Ben was just mad the Pacers were kicking there ass.
Ben didn't make a dumb fan throw a cup at Ron Artest. Fans shouldn't be allowed to physically disrespect a player and expect no retaliation. The players shouldn't have been giving that long of a suspension it cost the Pacers a shot at the title because a fan got what they ask for. League protecting the racists but now they taking a different stance, huh.
@@Richard-xo2uv Yeah but if not for overreacting to a foul that was a little hard but not even a flagrant Artest would not have been on that table cooling down, counting to 5 like his therapist instructed him to do.
@@bitchnguy Ron found out quick he wanted none of Ben. Irrelevant, the fan is the one at fault, period!
A lot of stuff just snowballed, let's be honest.
@@Richard-xo2uv I will definitely agree that the fan is at fault. But at the end of the day I don’t think Ron or ben ever had plans of fighting each other Ron did the correct thing he went and try to calm his self down because he is somebody to struggles with mental health issues so he did with his therapist told him to do which was to go calm down.
That was such a big game too. The previous year the Pacers had a shot at the title but couldn't get over the Pistons after Detroit traded for Rasheed Wallace. This game was supposed to send a message to Detroit that the Pacers were gunning for the title. Reggie was close to retirement and everyone wanted it BAD.
This brawl let it all get away. Pacers still made the playoffs this year.
Not really, it was just a sleepy early season game with the Pacers looking to get revenge for last season.
Stephen Jackson was the missing ingredient they needed for a championship and then all the suspensions happened it was all done and dusted........Really felt for Jemaine.
Not a basketball fan but it's 1am, I'm bored and I got inspired by Lebron's incident a couple days ago so I watched it lol.
Good documentary, I like how open and honest the players were about what happened and how it affected them. Can't help but feel for Reggie especially. Well executed and explained. 8/10
i use to play sports. when you guys are on a team with teammates you guys are like brothers. almost at war so to speak against the other team. so when one of your teamatets is in trouble we ALL COME to help.
When Ron Arrest asked if they were gonna get in trouble. I died laughing 😂😂. It was hilarious
This Doc looks bloody awesome .. cant wait for this and the one about the Mafia Ice hockey team .
I'll never forget I was in Detroit and I went to Kobe's last game in Detroit Ron Artest was his teammate at the time on the Lakers and I'll never forget when Ron was subbed into the game the entire Arena started booing him at first I had no clue what was happening and then it hit me they still remember about the malice at the palace
We never forget. Detroit holds grudges until everyone involved is dead.
@@tessgonzalez Detroit needs to let it go
@@tessgonzalez WTF, no one even goes to Pistons games anymore, lol.
@@MrBlueBot5Pistons fans acting like they’re the victims of this mess when in facts they’re the ones who made it even worst.
Wow, at the end it was so intense!! I'm from Michigan, and I remember this unfortunate incident all to well, but the insights and ppl talking about it was a recipe for chaos... great NBA doc!
I was there and left B4 the shit hit the fan. The Pistons we're losing and weren't coming back. I remember hearing it in the car waiting to leave the parking lot
I left a 10 run comeback. No one admits this in sports so I tip my cap to you.
I'll never forget where I was while watching this live. It was a defining moment as a Pacers and basketball fan.
Being a Pacers fan, I vividly remember this.
The true hero of this whole situation is that Oakland County Commissioner David Gorcyca for doing his job and catching the ones responsible for this situation rather than letting the Media try to get into his ear
it wasse a cup of beer... a public figure like that (the players) allowing themselfs to get into that negative mindset reaction and emotion is the problem here... mental issues or not... what u really wanne do is smile and ask for another refreshment...not wanting to beat the shit out of him.(and make your own actions) .. if i hit u... ask yourself why i hit u...not how i hurt u and how u can hurt me back...compassion....understanding... let it go....
One of the best nights in NBA History.
Is nobody going to mention why no security guards at such event. How scary. Surprised the players and or fans didn't sue the NBA and city for lack in safety measures that place had.
Wondering if they’re gonna be interviewing Pistons players as well or if this is going to be only from the Pacers’ perspective.
They showed Ben Wallace so yes
@@ljay2k12 They interviewed Wallace and one of the Piston's fan, and they are clearly against Artest however what happened was ridiculous since that beer went to fly.
Yeah it could of been put together better but what do you expect if Jermaine is running the doc..still was good but could of been better.
How about Tinsley, 🤔
Jermaine was on Dan Patrick this morning he said Rasheed Wallace and Larry brown were part of this doc but part's were taken out during editing
This and the last dance are great documentaries! 🔥
they we're wilding out that night definitely a black eye for the NBA
I was in the 9th grade when this happened, everyone was talking about this when we went back to school! Shit was crazy!!! Me and my dad was just looking at the screen like 😲😳 in total disbelief. Best live TV event ever
I watched sport center for at least 10 hrs that day.
Very good documentary. Just finished watching it.
This is going to be good!!
Stoked for this doc!!!
This changed the entire NBA - after this the league got soft
This bball not the UFC. If you want people hurting each other there are other 'sports'
@@Unknown-nc4jq it's not about hurting anyone. But it's also understanding that the sport involves physical contact. Not the parade of flopping you see today. It's also undeniable that after this brawl the league switched its stance on a low block physical play and preferred the high scoring perimeter game you see today.
No.
@@marquez93 stfu
Brotherhood make me feel joy
Interesting that fighting in hockey is a part of their culture, but no one ever calls them "thugs". I wonder why? 🤔
Ik, exactly my thoughts too..
Cuz hockey is already gay af
I beg to differ, many people most certainly think white NHL and NFL players can be awful. Many of the people living in OHL towns do not like the players and think they are rapists.
Look at Todd Bertuzzi. Everyone thinks he was a thug. Not sure where you're getting this nonsense from.
You know why
This seems like the response of someone who doesn't know anything about hockey.
Do you really know that "no one ever calls them 'thugs'" or did you hear one of the interviewees in this doc say that, and just accept it as fact?
Jermaine O’Neal and his sliding falcon punch was one of the highlights of that night 😂
Ron Artest is speaking about this and he said he would never before is interesting Netflix probably pay him to talk
No he got a call from Jermaine O’Neal who is the executive producer and he asked him to talk and he said he would
Just finished watching 💯👊👊👊
Thank you Netflix, thank you, thank you thank you. Bring on August 10th
That one fan who went on the court thinking and acting he’s all innocent. He got all the smoke
Fans should stop behaving like assholes, but players should never go into the stands.....EVER.
I watched this last night, saw everything Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson wanted me to see and still have the same opinion. The one fan who "wound up on the floor somehow" was a punk ass, though. "I didn't even see him there and he sucker punched me(Artest)"
bull shit! You had your fist doubled up and ready to throw down before Artest even saw you.
that dude on the interview acting like he did nothing wrong up to this day. like wtf, you're not supposed to be on the court pulling up to the player. he's a moron and he's a waste of a screen time
@@marvinfollero846 haha got me on that "waste of screentime". Yeah he was
He was referring to Jermaine O'Neal, who utterly obliterated him with that sliding punch. But by definition that was no sucker punch, O'Neal came straight at him. The documentary lets this fool dig his own grave by just letting him talk. As we saw this year in the playoffs, stadiums need to get better at dealing with these drunken louts.
@@SuperRobertoClemente Definitely. When Reggie pointed out how the nosebleed drunk fans moved up to the front, and then the fact there were bary any security or police there, it was a bad conclusion just waiting to happen.
LeBrown and Stewart 2021 lead me here. 🍺🩸🏀 🏈
So many Disney movie I miss on Netflix
I’m not a sports guy in the least but I found this absolutely fascinating. The hockey episode is even more fascinating, haven’t seen the other 2 yet but I’ll knock at least one down tonight
i just watched this and man i felt bad for Jermaine and Reggie.
they might win the championship.
I can't wait to see this and it comes out on my birthday.🎉🎉
How the hell is fans attacking remotely even close to their fault? 2004? Really? Wow.
Because throwing a beer in a plastic cup is not the same as punching someone in the face
Im not a sports fan and this was amazzingggg
Blame us? Yeah you punched the fan lol
Ikr. He didn’t even punch the right guy
Buying a ticket doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you want it goes both ways as being paid millions of dollars doesn't give you the right either. But at the end of the day we're all humans not robot fans step over the lines further and further and expect no kind of repercussions or anything bad to happen to them. Because alot of people live in their own fantasy worlds.
@@Joker-np9le Where did I say ... Any of that?
@@edweer670 Who said you did. I'm stating that fans own 50 percent of the blame for this incident as players own the other 50. And stating that fans have been going over boundaries that they know they shouldn't for decades specifically hockey and international soccer I've seen worse incidents than this. And just because you buy a ticket for an event or are getting paid for the event then you don't get free reign to do whatever you want without an reaction or consequence.
@@Joker-np9le holy shit what gibberish
This was soo good man funny how the fans didn't get any heat
can't wait for this, back when the nba wasn't butter soft.
You try playing now, LMFAO.
Lol go outside oldhead.
Fax the nba is completely soft now, In fact all sports have become soft
@@The__Nation typed from a keyboard on your couch 🧢
Hahaha this NBA is borderline equal to wnba
A brawl broke out near the end of a game between the Indiana Pacers and the Detroit Pistons on November 19, 2004. Nearly 17 years later, we re-examine that night and all the consequences they came from it.
They should’ve added how this changed the NBA forever.
As in Refs now have the license to give a tech to a player for just looking at him funny.
I’m not even trying to be funny with that scenario.
Tim Duncan - the Face of the NBA when it comes to professionalism - got a Tech just for smiling at a Referee.
I think you're wrong about that.
Timmy D got hit with the most random techs too, he got ejected by joey crawford for laughing
We ride together, fam.
The media calling them "Thugs" was so uncomfortable and felt really racial because Jermaine was right hockey has had way worse brawls
I was around back then. Netflix is manufacturing controversy. Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest were two of the worst guys in the NBA at the time and many other NBA players of that era were absolutely detestable, awful people compared to the players in the eighties and nineties. They wanted to be known as thugs and acted like it. It was not racism. You're being played and naive about reality.
Exactly that shit was cringe af
This doc was very intense, devastating and unfortunate.
Why this pacer team not in 2k?
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Ik bro lowkey one of the greatest teams of all time
You know why
Watched this and was pleasantly surprised!
Sometimes just a a catchy title like malice at the palace will make or break the angle of the story.
Look at the case of Foxy knoxy.
more docu series like this please!keep it up!😁