Babies are all like Deadpool. They can break the fourth wall and see through the fake reality of the world that all the other children and adult characters are oblivious to.
The parent/s often stand behind the cameras when infants (especially those still nursing) are on set, in order to take them back the moment filming stops to be fed and held in order to reduce stress. Little man's probably looking at mum and / or dad 🙂
@Kncperseus Spoiler alert.. They do kill it. It's the smaller set of ashes she receives back. She would have had to kill herself too, but she was spared since she was her grandfather's (or great?) favorite grandchild.
You can’t put all the blame on her husband. He was brave and stood up for Toranaga however he just didn’t consider in the moment how standing up for Toranaga might affect his family. He was also clearly very heartbroken about what he had to do to his wife and child. I blame the messed up society for encouraging the death of innocent women and children merely due to minor disagreements. Toranaga even says as much when he commends him for his bravery and says he does not believe in pointless death.
Actually wild to think this was just normal for the culture back then, killing an infant to end the bloodline because of an insult is fucking insane and psychopathic.
Sometimes sons and daughters would come back to haunt you. Lady Ochiba did what she done in justice of her father. Mariko wanted to make justice for her father and did by helping Toronaga unite the houses to his cause so he could turn on them once he controlled the heirs Army. Queen Elisabeth II. How different would history have been had she been murdered in her crib like she was supposed to have been? Moses, a noble son stuck in a raft, and raised by the Pharaoh's daughter, the man that slaughtered and enslaved his people. Infanticide was done to weed out bad genes before feudalism, and noble names after. It's hard to imagine today.
A samurai had to be really careful with what you say or do. Each man represents the household. Acting, talking like a traitor would affect the whole family and their lord’s reputation. It might be really difficult to understand how Japanese were strict in taking responsibilities. Taking action in a rebellious form would be a disgrace. Nobles had to be smart. Shouldn’t be short tempered. Especially at places where matsurigoto, political negotiations were going on. People had to read between the lines. Be really careful with words. Never talk back against people from a higher status. Feudalism was seen in the Europe too right? It’s not so far from that.
it makes me think of DnD and the Drow Elves how it's permitted to usurp other houses and assassinate them but it's only wrong if you get caught. Much is the same in old Japan, if you could get away with something to the point where no one can prove it, it essentially never happened even though people would know it probably did, without evidence you were untouchable. the consequence for failure however is obviously death.
@@badboydust part of the message from the show is that the Japanese are not barbaric. Their society at this point in time was highly disciplined and honorable. So much so that that they are even disciplined when it comes to death.
There may not have been a cameraman. From all the BTS I've seen, it looks like a lot of Shogun was shot with cranes. The scenes were lined up at a remote location. No looking through a viewfinder like back in the old days.
Yeah this was horrible. It was also sad to see the look of terror on her husband's face when he realized he might lose his wife. He really loved her. He knew that his line had to die but he wanted her to live
That's just feudal Japan in a nutshell. Look up Hirate Masahide - a samurai who killed himself because his teenage student wouldn't stop acting like an idiot.
@@myingthungomurry9894 you mean most savage and sadistic nation. Japan would be nothing more than a crater if it were not for the kindness of the United States back then.
@@myingthungomurry9894 They were by no means modern, they closed their country off to foreigners and were a couple hundred years late to guns for example.
This scene never happened in the novel. In the novel, Usagi was not allowed seppuku but crucified which was for criminals and his swords were broken and buried in the eta ( lowest caste in Japan much like the untouchables of India ) village.
@lamniko_ Have you read the novel that "white man" wrote? It is fucking magnificent and is greatly respectful of the culture he sought to bring to life. It was 'made into a show' years ago. You should give the original miniseries starring Richard Chamberlain and Toshiro Mifuni a watch. Well worth it.
In a era with no social media or centralized communication. Your words and actions were all one had to display your character. And in this era, where lies, cheating and stealing are easy to come by. It makes sense why honor, discipline and loyalty are the traits one should aspire to attain…
This scene really set the tone I would like to see a documentary on this culture more ppl just committing suicide and no way would I surrender my baby they would have a had to kill me to
In truth it wasn't that dramatic, people committed suicide, yes, but it wasn't all about honor, all this samurai mythology came at the end of their era, almost EVERYTHING is more a political thing. In fact, there was a whole culture of paying other samurai when they were losing a battle so as not to die. Honor ends when the fear of losing your life arrives.
That's easy to say in an individualistic society, try that in a collectivist society where you need everyone and anyone just to survive another day and you'll understand. The reason why this shit happened is because of the very philosophy that the Japanese had at the time. In other areas of the world, you can ask for sanctuary and forgiveness even amongst your enemies. Showing magnanimity is a power move and even Julius Caesar did that a lot. With religions like Christianity and Islam spreading it's values and gaining enough traction to influence both state and individual, it's generally viewed as superior to forgive and save another life rather than remove the scum. When your legitimacy relies on the grace of a God that asks you to be as lenient as much as possible, It is easy to see why. To the Japanese, leniency is only afforded when necessary if possible remove it. The Japanese had a do or die mentality due to their geographical location. It also doesn't help that they were extremely resource starved. To them back then and even now, the game is to be as shrewd as possible. You need to reach as high in the sky as you can because to them you have limited resources, and only had one chance. Not one single grain of rice must be wasted, not one opportunity lost because there's more who needs that koku of rice and they need their chance as well. If you consider their outlook, you can start to figure out why they do the things they do. Why they are prone to commiting suicide because they failed and entrance exam, why they would rather cut ties and leave home after losing a job. Even this situation on the screen, you can be sure that the lord might prefer that kid to be alive, but keeping that man's family alive can be seen as weakness. It's political suicide, he needs to show his bottom line or be abused by others for "Weakness". Worse is that he'll lose face which is not going to be a good situation as it's very had to recover.
For such an advanced society, you would think they would have found a way to change purpose in life without seppukku or someone telling them to. "Oh no i forged your blade backwards" "Maybe you should trying being a brickmaker instead of blacksmith, we need a brickmaker badly" "Really? I was just going to seppukku myself for shaming my ancestors. I guess a small amount of flexibility and humility to admit failure would benefit myself and all society."
They weren’t advanced is the irony of it. They weren’t low in terms of how advanced they were, but they were behind their time by miles being held back by traditions like these till the samurai ways were rightfully and brutally wiped out by the normal people.
Why kill the innocent child? The father killing himself for his stupidity should have been enough. Sorry, but this bullsh*t of honor and respect carried a bit too far in this sense. Toranaga is an A**hole in my opinion!…..still, it was a great series.
If Toranaga hadn't done it the council could have waged war based on the insult. Toranaga frustrated me the whole series until there end, when you realize he was playing the long game.
well they aren't endorsing the belief, part of the core of the series is discussing how the Japanese society back then trivialised life in the name of honor and arbitrary customs
Makes me think about Lone Wolf and Cub (a awesome manga and TV series) were they beheaded a child because he may become a threat when he's older. I for the life of me can not understand how a civilization tgat practices such thingsnwould even exist. There's a massive amount of brain chemistry a part of brain literaly hardwired for the care of children(baby schema) even in men. The Emporer I doubt directly over saw these types of executions and it was carried out by a group of extremly brutally insane men.
How many children have been slaughtered in every country in the world because of the greed, ambition and brutality of men? It wasn’t just Japan. It was EVERYWHERE!
i understand that this is the old culture. what i dont understand is that how it all started. like people just decided that our community will have these guidelines. i think past and present cultures. this seppuku and honor first japan was the only one.
I can’t imagine the pure pain of having to hand your baby over to death, over something so insignificant in the long run but was so huge back then. I can’t blame this woman for wanting to die too! And she was lucky to only have one child, if the punishment was to end a bloodline imagine the sheer horror of having multiple children in the face of that!
Imagine growing up in a world where youre a second class citizen, sold to a man to be his wife, his property and you dont get a say (even the few that do usually just gaslight themselves to cope) and then having sex, its expected so consent isnt really a thing, and usually its never a pleasent experience for the wife because there is no sex ed or a desire for men to please their wives, getting pregnant, going through child birth, back then there wasnt much in the way of pain relief and chances of dying were pretty high and youre lowkey told to just shut up and deal with it and then immediately get ready to go through that all over again. The only good thing to come out of that is your child, because the husband doesnt really do much with the child when theyre young or female, so that child is the only thing in the world that is yours and that sees you as safety and home and then that child is taken away from you. Your whole life, all that pain, suffering, that was the only good thing you got and it was taken away. I would axe myself too.
Well, you have to compare the same period. You cannot compare 16th century Japan with 21st century Europe. There were plenty barbaric things in Europe/USA. For example, massive slave trade of Africa. Massive invasion and killing of native North and South Americans as well as Russia expansion of the East.
@@Chemicalkinetics this was victorian era Japan and European culture in the victorian era were nowhere close to this brutal as the contemporary Japanese were even up until the end of ww2
@@truthseeker-nv6ny Consider the brutality unleased by White Europeans to Native Americans (both North and South) and Africans, tough to say the massacre of Native Americans and enslavement of Africans are less brutal. As this book/film has shown the Catholic church (Pope Alexander VI) and The 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas simply "divided" the world among Spain and Portugal, and that they have the church blessing to destroy and conqueror the world in the name of Christ. It is really tough to argue what is more arrogant and barbaric than the world belong to the Whites and they can do what they like.
@@Chemicalkinetics”massive slave trade in Africa”. Who sold the slaves? And who were the first countries to abolish slavery? Japanese still killed and wanted to rule non-Japanese like when they tried to invade Korea in 1592. Yeah, we know all cultures have good and bad in them. But it seems hollow when criticizing one aspect of a culture for someone to pull a “what about ism”. The comment wasn’t comparing to begin with…
@@Cyan_Nightingale You're talking out of your ass, there is no Chinese ethnicity, it's a constant melting pot of all who came and settled. Anyone who ruled China knows the political/power game in succeeding the 'Chinese-style' ruling of Mandate of Heaven. That's why you don't see Mongol empire/Yuan Dynasty nor Qing nor Ming in denying the legitimacy of their predecessors. You should read up on more history if you're gonna comment on shit like this, Nanman is a collectively term for what the ‘Civilized' Chinese for Southern Non-Civilized groups. Most of them have been assimilated and are barely any different from the majority 'Han' Chinese. (Mind you there is no PURE Chinese).
@@BoonieDutchman It's always been known that Feudal Japan was the instigator in raiding/pirating Korean/Chinese. China and Korea never considered Japan simply because they didn't think much of Japan nor its worth, besides it being a tributary state.
I just saw the clip leading up to this. So bro's master was getting insulted in a council session, and he spoke up in defence of his master, but it ended up making his master look bad. At which point he begged for permission to self-delete, and after a moment swore he'd also end his family line because it was such a grievous insult to his lord's honour. That's his infant son, and his wife doesn't want it to happen. The woman without the baby is the daughter (I think?) of the Lord that guy serves, whose permission he asked to delete himself and his son.
@@AC-iz7eh Uh, as far as I interpreted it (because I haven't seen the show) the noblewoman said to let the mother be the last to hold the baby's hand...presumably as the father does what he volunteered to do to bring honour back to his family name...by ending it...
I must admit I couldn't stop looking at the adorable baby. I have no idea what's going on in the movie, but I think she threatened suicide. If I'm wrong, then that just proves how cute he is! Many netizens agree. I literally clicked this short because it's the cutest baby I've ever seen - apart from my little girl. Yes admit I'm biased. Guilty as charged.😂❤
I would have died with my infant. Idc who ordered me to live and how that act might look, id refuse to live without my baby. Life would be meaningless and no amount of honor or obligation would change that
The baby staring straight at the cameraman lmfao
bad acting smh haha
Not paid enough I guess.
Babies are all like Deadpool. They can break the fourth wall and see through the fake reality of the world that all the other children and adult characters are oblivious to.
Cameraman never dies. He was asking to be saved 😢
The parent/s often stand behind the cameras when infants (especially those still nursing) are on set, in order to take them back the moment filming stops to be fed and held in order to reduce stress.
Little man's probably looking at mum and / or dad 🙂
They just had to pick the cutest, most adorable looking baby in all Japan. 🥺
I swear man - that had me nearly crying that they were gonna kill this baby.
@Kncperseus Spoiler alert..
They do kill it. It's the smaller set of ashes she receives back. She would have had to kill herself too, but she was spared since she was her grandfather's (or great?) favorite grandchild.
The only baby in japan
This was shot in vancouver though
Your right
This poor lady just could not catch a break all because of her husband’s impulsive stupidity.
Bro let the impulsive thoughts win😢
Then who would John Blackthrone be arranged to
@@ajk9420 yabushige
@@ajk9420That's your concern?
You can’t put all the blame on her husband. He was brave and stood up for Toranaga however he just didn’t consider in the moment how standing up for Toranaga might affect his family. He was also clearly very heartbroken about what he had to do to his wife and child.
I blame the messed up society for encouraging the death of innocent women and children merely due to minor disagreements. Toranaga even says as much when he commends him for his bravery and says he does not believe in pointless death.
赤ちゃんの視線と声を出すタイミングが完璧すぎる。
赤ちゃんにも演技指導したのかもw真田さん
Actually wild to think this was just normal for the culture back then, killing an infant to end the bloodline because of an insult is fucking insane and psychopathic.
Sometimes sons and daughters would come back to haunt you. Lady Ochiba did what she done in justice of her father. Mariko wanted to make justice for her father and did by helping Toronaga unite the houses to his cause so he could turn on them once he controlled the heirs Army.
Queen Elisabeth II. How different would history have been had she been murdered in her crib like she was supposed to have been?
Moses, a noble son stuck in a raft, and raised by the Pharaoh's daughter, the man that slaughtered and enslaved his people.
Infanticide was done to weed out bad genes before feudalism, and noble names after. It's hard to imagine today.
@@americanandpinay can we not use fiction aka the bible as real references? thanks.
@@sobienzoh you're an atheist? Wow, so smart and unique.
@@Sogmabolzat least they have a point lmao
@@jannguerrero Just happens to be backed up by mountains of evidence for and literally zero against. Unlike the bible.
I didn't expect that line to come full circle at the end of the series. Damn, it was good.
Which line?
@@forhadahmed538 "let her hands be the last to hold her son"
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Oh yes the ashes and the cross.
@@ajk9420 yes! It was a such a solid line, it was said by two people at two sad times.
A samurai had to be really careful with what you say or do. Each man represents the household. Acting, talking like a traitor would affect the whole family and their lord’s reputation. It might be really difficult to understand how Japanese were strict in taking responsibilities. Taking action in a rebellious form would be a disgrace.
Nobles had to be smart. Shouldn’t be short tempered. Especially at places where matsurigoto, political negotiations were going on.
People had to read between the lines.
Be really careful with words. Never talk back against people from a higher status.
Feudalism was seen in the Europe too right? It’s not so far from that.
Barbarism. Knowledge prevails.
it makes me think of DnD and the Drow Elves how it's permitted to usurp other houses and assassinate them but it's only wrong if you get caught. Much is the same in old Japan, if you could get away with something to the point where no one can prove it, it essentially never happened even though people would know it probably did, without evidence you were untouchable. the consequence for failure however is obviously death.
@@badboydust part of the message from the show is that the Japanese are not barbaric. Their society at this point in time was highly disciplined and honorable. So much so that that they are even disciplined when it comes to death.
In East Asia if someone got caught of their treacherous act whole generation of their families will got punish
This was WAY beyond European feudalism. Both had some hard core elements and were happy to kill people, but the Samurai were on their own level.
The baby to the camera man: dude I’m scared as shit right now, do something!
Cameraman: I only got two hands, which it is for this camera.
Cameraman: I'm sorry young one, but it's a canon event.
There may not have been a cameraman. From all the BTS I've seen, it looks like a lot of Shogun was shot with cranes. The scenes were lined up at a remote location. No looking through a viewfinder like back in the old days.
辛いなぁ…たった一言で血筋を絶たれる時代。現代人の価値観で言うべきでは無いけど、辛いなぁ…。
This is barbarism that ended with this exact mindset forcing samurai’s to go extinct in the most deserving way possible.
まぁ大人になった時復讐される可能性があるからね…
@@村田陽太 そうなんですよねぇ…そうしないと自分が復讐されて根絶やしにされますからね。
現代人が過去に生きてきた方々の生き方を、頭ごなしに否定するのは自分もいい気持ちはしないです。けどやっぱり、現代人の目線で見てしまって勝手に辛くなってしまうんですよね。こうやって血が絶たれたお家も数多くあるんだろうなぁとか思ってしまって。
@@あんころもち-j3vそう思っちゃうのは仕方ないよ。でも、だからこそ刹那的で美しいと感じてしまう。
@@あんころもち-j3v それが良くも悪くもあの時代の秩序を保つ方法だったんですよね。
That baby is so darn cuteee 😭😭😭
Yeah this was horrible. It was also sad to see the look of terror on her husband's face when he realized he might lose his wife. He really loved her. He knew that his line had to die but he wanted her to live
He could have similar to the 47 Ronin and divorce his wife prior to, in order to spare his family the consequences
If he loved her then he would not think to force her to live her life without her child....
Oh wow, didn't expect Alteori to be here.
But yeah, those Isekai regression stories DILUTE the amount of unethical violence back then.
Full circle
@@jessicathompson236It wasn't him that force her to live though it was her grandfather or something
赤ちゃんが可愛すぎる～涙
the adorable baby looks at the camera LOL
I could never. Nope. 😢
Ungh! That is an incredibly adorable baby 😊
Love this series. Mariko-Sama & John Blackthorne so awesome!
I just love Fuji-sama. Watching her character develop through out the series is so amazing ☺️
The baby accepted his fate like a champ. He was calm AF.
準備が出来て無くてもベストの選択を選ばなきゃならない
酷な事に人生にはそんな場面がある
Every clip I've seen of this show is somone threatening suicide 😂
That's just feudal Japan in a nutshell. Look up Hirate Masahide - a samurai who killed himself because his teenage student wouldn't stop acting like an idiot.
The culture was extremely messed up back then
@@littlepenguinowo1819I'd disagree. It's because they were like that that Japan was the only modern Asian imperial nation.
@@myingthungomurry9894 you mean most savage and sadistic nation. Japan would be nothing more than a crater if it were not for the kindness of the United States back then.
@@myingthungomurry9894 They were by no means modern, they closed their country off to foreigners and were a couple hundred years late to guns for example.
They baby is so adorable...❤
Wouldve been nice to read all the subtitles
Unfortunately, I always have to pull up the comment section and watch the video in smaller form in order to see the bottom half 😮💨
I know right!!!
Oh my god, yes!
Awww that baby is so calm & too cute 😍!!!
This scene never happened in the novel.
In the novel, Usagi was not allowed seppuku but crucified which was for criminals and his swords were broken and buried in the eta ( lowest caste in Japan much like the untouchables of India ) village.
True, but this version starts to get audiences used to bushido code and the concept of seppuku
I was hoping for a nicer fate for the baby and dad but this actually ended up being way worse😅
Nice way to bring India into a show about Japan.
Well a white man wrote the novel and then Japanese people made it into a show and made it authentic and realistic. So what do you expect? Lol
@lamniko_ Have you read the novel that "white man" wrote?
It is fucking magnificent and is greatly respectful of the culture he sought to bring to life.
It was 'made into a show' years ago. You should give the original miniseries starring Richard Chamberlain and Toshiro Mifuni a watch. Well worth it.
Wooo the clothes and style...but the makeup 💄....🥺 This ......what art 🎭
Ooo i love Shogun so much. Most of us took up Japanese language after that series aired.
Poor baby 😞🍼 face and expressions he's really scared 😮 😳
not for long
@@stonem0013 hmmm ok ☺️
He looks rather amazed because never in his life before has he seen so many cameras and lights...
@@markmai7551 true that haha so true
So very beautiful lady fuji❤❤❤
Cute, cute, baby!❤
Quelle scène déchirante 😢😢😢
Love the baby thou 😮😮 it's foking cutee 😅
That baby staring to my soul
The baby is so cute
Baby Tsurumaru :'(
In a era with no social media or centralized communication. Your words and actions were all one had to display your character. And in this era, where lies, cheating and stealing are easy to come by. It makes sense why honor, discipline and loyalty are the traits one should aspire to attain…
That woman did the right thing in helping and calming her down. She was not going to kill the baby 😭
💔😭 i can't with this scene
This scene really set the tone I would like to see a documentary on this culture more ppl just committing suicide and no way would I surrender my baby they would have a had to kill me to
Watch gou himetachi no sengoku it is really good and tell more about the culture of Japan and the warring states Era. And it is really accurate
In truth it wasn't that dramatic, people committed suicide, yes, but it wasn't all about honor, all this samurai mythology came at the end of their era, almost EVERYTHING is more a political thing. In fact, there was a whole culture of paying other samurai when they were losing a battle so as not to die. Honor ends when the fear of losing your life arrives.
@@dgcat_9487That show was Soo good I wish I could find it, I loved that series.
@AerionTargaryen24 I watched it almost 20 times. The evolution of the character of Gou is amazing. It's available in kissasian
That's easy to say in an individualistic society, try that in a collectivist society where you need everyone and anyone just to survive another day and you'll understand.
The reason why this shit happened is because of the very philosophy that the Japanese had at the time. In other areas of the world, you can ask for sanctuary and forgiveness even amongst your enemies. Showing magnanimity is a power move and even Julius Caesar did that a lot. With religions like Christianity and Islam spreading it's values and gaining enough traction to influence both state and individual, it's generally viewed as superior to forgive and save another life rather than remove the scum. When your legitimacy relies on the grace of a God that asks you to be as lenient as much as possible, It is easy to see why. To the Japanese, leniency is only afforded when necessary if possible remove it.
The Japanese had a do or die mentality due to their geographical location. It also doesn't help that they were extremely resource starved. To them back then and even now, the game is to be as shrewd as possible. You need to reach as high in the sky as you can because to them you have limited resources, and only had one chance. Not one single grain of rice must be wasted, not one opportunity lost because there's more who needs that koku of rice and they need their chance as well.
If you consider their outlook, you can start to figure out why they do the things they do. Why they are prone to commiting suicide because they failed and entrance exam, why they would rather cut ties and leave home after losing a job. Even this situation on the screen, you can be sure that the lord might prefer that kid to be alive, but keeping that man's family alive can be seen as weakness. It's political suicide, he needs to show his bottom line or be abused by others for "Weakness". Worse is that he'll lose face which is not going to be a good situation as it's very had to recover.
For such an advanced society, you would think they would have found a way to change purpose in life without seppukku or someone telling them to.
"Oh no i forged your blade backwards"
"Maybe you should trying being a brickmaker instead of blacksmith, we need a brickmaker badly"
"Really? I was just going to seppukku myself for shaming my ancestors. I guess a small amount of flexibility and humility to admit failure would benefit myself and all society."
They weren’t advanced is the irony of it. They weren’t low in terms of how advanced they were, but they were behind their time by miles being held back by traditions like these till the samurai ways were rightfully and brutally wiped out by the normal people.
罪人の子として生き恥を背負っていくことを回避するためのこの時代における優しさなのでは。
これが海外で制作されたのか。海外向けにしてるのかと思ったけど、そんな感じが全然ないね。
So happy for you all. Enjoyed your vlogs than team 50k lol.
なぜ？こんな小さな子供を？
と、国によっては疑問を抱くことでしょう……
私たち日本は古い歴史の中で、子供を生かした事で後に大変になった歴史があるのてす。😊
この若い女の子、かなりいい演技じゃの。
目で演技してる。
Why kill the innocent child? The father killing himself for his stupidity should have been enough. Sorry, but this bullsh*t of honor and respect carried a bit too far in this sense. Toranaga is an A**hole in my opinion!…..still, it was a great series.
If Toranaga hadn't done it the council could have waged war based on the insult. Toranaga frustrated me the whole series until there end, when you realize he was playing the long game.
The father was the reason, he probably could've got off with just committing seppuku but then decided to give up his family too.
well they aren't endorsing the belief, part of the core of the series is discussing how the Japanese society back then trivialised life in the name of honor and arbitrary customs
@@oh-ul4mb They didn't trivialize life, for them life had to have purpose, an honorable purpose.
@@geo4256True but In the pursuit of achieving said honor they had become slaves to these customs.
Feudal Japan was brutal man.i wouldn't wanna live in that period.
史実は知らんけど、この時代赤子まで処刑されたか疑問。物心付いてる子供なら仇討ち防止に処刑されると思うけど、赤子なら寺の小僧としたのでは。身分がある子供だけかはわからんけど。
赤子殺したら城主の器 問われそうだし、お家取り潰しはあるけど、血筋の根絶やしまではしてないと思ってたけど、どうなんだろう。。。ドラマだから良しとしよ。
江戸時代でも当歳の子も含めて家臣一族の男子全員切腹(子供は介添えと称して刺〇)の記録はあることにはある。
秀吉がボケちゃってからはヤバかったらしいね。侍女を車裂きとかしてる。
男の子は処刑されてます。
お市様のお子さんは女児のみ生きてます。
禍根を断つと。
仇討ちが怖いからって聞くけど…
何処かに預けられたとしても悪意ある誰かがその子を担ごうとしないとも限らないからね🥲
All they had to do was make sure the kid never had kids of his own when he grew up. Not easy, but not impossible.
Makes me think about Lone Wolf and Cub (a awesome manga and TV series) were they beheaded a child because he may become a threat when he's older. I for the life of me can not understand how a civilization tgat practices such thingsnwould even exist. There's a massive amount of brain chemistry a part of brain literaly hardwired for the care of children(baby schema) even in men. The Emporer I doubt directly over saw these types of executions and it was carried out by a group of extremly brutally insane men.
How many children have been slaughtered in every country in the world because of the greed, ambition and brutality of men? It wasn’t just Japan. It was EVERYWHERE!
bro same thing is happening in Gaza
i understand that this is the old culture. what i dont understand is that how it all started. like people just decided that our community will have these guidelines.
i think past and present cultures. this seppuku and honor first japan was the only one.
私、アンナちゃんの演技は上手いと思うよ。女優さんたち、格好いいわ😊
I love this omg
Dude was a little hasty in condemning his son. He could have kept that one in his back pocket just in case.
穂志もえかさんにも助演女優賞ぐらいあげたいね
演技がそこまで上手くないからでは？
I can’t imagine the pure pain of having to hand your baby over to death, over something so insignificant in the long run but was so huge back then. I can’t blame this woman for wanting to die too! And she was lucky to only have one child, if the punishment was to end a bloodline imagine the sheer horror of having multiple children in the face of that!
interesting how they keep calling Anjin/John a "barbarian" meanwhile they're practicing this custom of ending your entire bloodline.
I NEED to watch this show. But i ain’t gonna download no app lol
Yes, RamKing is indeed criminally underrated.
N also yes, the dectective story is high potential. 👍 Nice fanfic idea.
サムライの時代の活きる道。
これ何ていう映像？
とても見たいです…
鞠子、藤の、生きる、戦国中で、自身の、心も、身も、殿に、捧げる、女性の強さぁ、凄まじい、生き様、日の本は、仇に成る、赤子まで、命を絶つ、どれほど、辛い、悲しいだろ、日の本為、身、心も、投げ出す、凄すぎる、
When you life and your loves one life depends on your behaviour, some society learn quickly how to respect and behave to survived.
Megumi drew his inspiration from this story I guess, with this treasure I summon...
原作者が日本人では無いから、多少この時代の武士を誇張していると思う。
作者は作家で歴史学者では無いので、間違った武士を描いても仕方が無い。
... Usami Fuji said the same thing to Anjin about his "hands being the last" to touch/hold Mariko's Rosary..
What a beautiful way to come full circle!
Nooo, not the baby! 😢
She was so cool but what they did to her was insane t.t
真田広之さんかがいたから出来た作品。
この場面、外国人にはたぶん理解不能。
赤ちゃんの道連れは、夫忠義がこのこが将来不名誉を負って生きる不幸を憂いた為。
そして虎長はその意味を理解し認め、許した。
この場面 現代の日本人でも、中々分かりづらい😅
This honor above all stuff still exists Japanese culture, and it is nowhere near a positive attribute.
As an American living in Japan for over a decade, it is infinitely better over here than the chaos and selfishness the modern West wallows in.
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Imagine growing up in a world where youre a second class citizen, sold to a man to be his wife, his property and you dont get a say (even the few that do usually just gaslight themselves to cope) and then having sex, its expected so consent isnt really a thing, and usually its never a pleasent experience for the wife because there is no sex ed or a desire for men to please their wives, getting pregnant, going through child birth, back then there wasnt much in the way of pain relief and chances of dying were pretty high and youre lowkey told to just shut up and deal with it and then immediately get ready to go through that all over again. The only good thing to come out of that is your child, because the husband doesnt really do much with the child when theyre young or female, so that child is the only thing in the world that is yours and that sees you as safety and home and then that child is taken away from you. Your whole life, all that pain, suffering, that was the only good thing you got and it was taken away. I would axe myself too.
Agree. What a brutal time to be a woman.
The ruthlessness existing in East Asia is gravely difficult to overcome.
Well, you have to compare the same period. You cannot compare 16th century Japan with 21st century Europe. There were plenty barbaric things in Europe/USA. For example, massive slave trade of Africa. Massive invasion and killing of native North and South Americans as well as Russia expansion of the East.
ruthlessness existed everywhere and still exists now.
@@Chemicalkinetics this was victorian era Japan and European culture in the victorian era were nowhere close to this brutal as the contemporary Japanese were even up until the end of ww2
@@truthseeker-nv6ny Consider the brutality unleased by White Europeans to Native Americans (both North and South) and Africans, tough to say the massacre of Native Americans and enslavement of Africans are less brutal. As this book/film has shown the Catholic church (Pope Alexander VI) and The 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas simply "divided" the world among Spain and Portugal, and that they have the church blessing to destroy and conqueror the world in the name of Christ. It is really tough to argue what is more arrogant and barbaric than the world belong to the Whites and they can do what they like.
@@Chemicalkinetics”massive slave trade in Africa”. Who sold the slaves? And who were the first countries to abolish slavery? Japanese still killed and wanted to rule non-Japanese like when they tried to invade Korea in 1592. Yeah, we know all cultures have good and bad in them. But it seems hollow when criticizing one aspect of a culture for someone to pull a “what about ism”. The comment wasn’t comparing to begin with…
誰が何と言おうと赤ちゃんを殺すのは許せん。何にも美しくない。
美しさではなく子が大人になった時に親の敵討に来るのが自然な時代なので致し方なく。ですよ。
@@nichi8125 美について言及したのは美徳と勘違いした人に対して。
あと仇討ちにならんだろ。父親が勝手にミスってしかも望んで切腹したんだから。現代で言えばサラリーマンが会社でミスして解雇になり、その子が大人になって父親を解雇にした会社に復讐するってことだろ？理不尽すぎだろ。
@ ネットも何もない時代、周りの大人によって真実なんていくらでも捻じ曲げられますよ。とくに武将なんて敵だらけ。
それに状況的に切腹待ったなしのあの状況でも数十年後、子からしたら親が誰かのせいで死んだという事実だけで仇は打ちますよ。
@@nichi8125 だからそれを許さねっていう単なる感想だから。
敵の子供殺すのは理解できるけど我が子の命より忠誠心を重んずるっていう思想が気持ち悪い。史実にあるなら尚更日本の歴史に幻滅。
_These_ are the Japanese that China knows.
Read Iris Chang’s “The rape of Nanking”. A compelling read of the atrocities committed by the japanese imperial army. Horrific and sad.
@@jayzrat Not excusing that but why are you skipping what chinese and koreans did to japan together with mongols?
Well chinese are not that innocent though.. especially toward non han chinese (toward nanman people, uighurs, tibetans, etc)
@@Cyan_Nightingale You're talking out of your ass, there is no Chinese ethnicity, it's a constant melting pot of all who came and settled. Anyone who ruled China knows the political/power game in succeeding the 'Chinese-style' ruling of Mandate of Heaven. That's why you don't see Mongol empire/Yuan Dynasty nor Qing nor Ming in denying the legitimacy of their predecessors.
You should read up on more history if you're gonna comment on shit like this, Nanman is a collectively term for what the ‘Civilized' Chinese for Southern Non-Civilized groups. Most of them have been assimilated and are barely any different from the majority 'Han' Chinese. (Mind you there is no PURE Chinese).
@@BoonieDutchman It's always been known that Feudal Japan was the instigator in raiding/pirating Korean/Chinese. China and Korea never considered Japan simply because they didn't think much of Japan nor its worth, besides it being a tributary state.
I’m glad they didn’t do a house of the dragon style where we basically experience it….this was so sad
Damn Fuji should have marry me instead,.
You're gonna have to go through me first brother
Hey can you at least show the subtitles better
Apenas llevo 60 páginas, la portada de la versión en español me encantó, es preciosa ✨
Espero que me atrape como comentas 😱
Your "subscribe" button & profile blocking the subtitles. You need to move your subtitles higher.
Context? Havent seen the show
I just saw the clip leading up to this. So bro's master was getting insulted in a council session, and he spoke up in defence of his master, but it ended up making his master look bad. At which point he begged for permission to self-delete, and after a moment swore he'd also end his family line because it was such a grievous insult to his lord's honour.
That's his infant son, and his wife doesn't want it to happen. The woman without the baby is the daughter (I think?) of the Lord that guy serves, whose permission he asked to delete himself and his son.
Did she delete herself with her son or no? The captions being blocked by the subscribe button is making life difficult
No she survived but the child and father were put to death after this scene happened. @@AC-iz7eh
@@AC-iz7eh Uh, as far as I interpreted it (because I haven't seen the show) the noblewoman said to let the mother be the last to hold the baby's hand...presumably as the father does what he volunteered to do to bring honour back to his family name...by ending it...
@@AC-iz7eh husband and baby got deleted. she was told to live on.
Sure would be nice to be able to read the captions.
these people love drama
I can’t read the script because it’s covered with text anybody know what’s going on?
Did they have to use the cutest baby they could find? That feels extra.
My whole thing is if she unalived herself what is he gonna do?!? Chase her into the afterlife ?? Lets be so for real.
These peiple are cray cray
I must admit I couldn't stop looking at the adorable baby. I have no idea what's going on in the movie, but I think she threatened suicide. If I'm wrong, then that just proves how cute he is! Many netizens agree. I literally clicked this short because it's the cutest baby I've ever seen - apart from my little girl. Yes admit I'm biased. Guilty as charged.😂❤
I would have died with my infant. Idc who ordered me to live and how that act might look, id refuse to live without my baby. Life would be meaningless and no amount of honor or obligation would change that
Bro... 😭
Hello from Tokyo ❤
Title of the show?
Shogun, on FX.
Naruto.
まあ、吉井嫌いの石堂に吉井の家臣が逆らった。主を生かすために幼子までは時としてあったのでしょうね。酷い時は一族郎党ことごとくと言う場合もあったようですし。その場合親類縁者全てとなるし。吉井を守るために男児はとなった可能性はありますね。後に禍根を残さないために。まだ、母親が残されただけでもとは思いますね。ドラマ的にも吉井の命運自体が揺れていた時でしたから子の命まで及んでしまったのでしょう。逆に石堂が寛大で子には・・・。とでも言えば子は助かったでしょうけど。物語的にもかなりきつい人物に描かれていましたからね。
Yeah I wanted to start watching this show and this shit ruined it for me. Just had a son and couldn't watch a show like this.
もっと綺麗で芝居の上手な女優にして欲しかった。時代劇の形式美に拘ったのに残念です
わかります。あんまり今の日本人は演技上手くないと思います。棒読みっぽいんですよね。 昭和とかの方が女優さん迫真の演技出来た。
Child be like : WTF is going onnn😮😮
Where can I watch this?????
This movie or I will ancient Japan didn’t value life at all .how can you kill an innocent child because of his father’s loyalty.
They absolutely valued life. They also valued honor and traditions and respect its easy to sit and critique when you dont understand something
Now the bastard must be afraid for hurting the baby.
いくら封建制の世でも旦那の失策のせいでその赤子まで殺すかなぁ。その失策だって殿の名誉を濯ぐ為の行動なんだし。やり過ぎだよ。原作がこうなのかね。
歴史ではいくつか似たような例があったかと思いますよ。
たしか平清盛も、源の兄弟を幼いからと生かして後悔したと後世に語られてます
その子に罪が有るかどうかではなく、後の禍根とならぬように処した例は有ったと歴史の先生に聞いてます
表向きには処刑して、裏では寺に預けたかどうかは知る術も無いですね。
Title of this series?
Shogun.