What if they didn't and City wins the case and then Pep announces 3 year extension. PL would get in front of Pep and beg him to please leave the country and let someone else have a go.
Being found guilty in a kangaroo court doesn't mean Pep has been lied to. City were found guilty in Uefa's kangaroo court then CAS had a good laugh about it. This will end up in a proper court of law once City have been stitched up again. Can't see criminal Pinto's word being taken very seriously in a real court of law.
One of those where's its blatantly obvious to 99.% of people that City cooked the books but they will probably still get away with it. Got enough cash to buy out of any situation....
We have a very successful team with enormous wealth who have spent the entire time cheating in order to win those things. Don't be so stupid.@@chinortega3
What are your expertise though? Do you work within the legal system, do you have a law degree? the law is obviously complex so it's mad to me that people just think they have all the answers with such little knowledge.
City are paying Lord Pannick KC, £10,000 an hour for their defence and their total costs will be astronomical. If they lose, an appeal will be guaranteed. If that doesn't go in their favour, it will likely reach the civil courts. It will be the 26-27 or 27-28 season at least before this is sorted.
That is the problem. All it will do is make sure the massive majority of the football public will want every single brick, the management, the owners, everything will be expunged from football. Lifetime bans, astronomical fines, anyone thinking about compensation for lost income will correctly be left with nothing. We could see Man City just get lifetime bans from ALL football and sod relegation. If the wanker Mansour thinks money wins, he needs to be locked up. There is also going to be major fines against City for false accounting, we awaiting that cherry and Mansour will personally have to face that bundle of joy.
David Pannick represented me in a proceeds of crime case at the royal courts of justice, yes he is at the very top of his profession, and doesn't come cheap, but £10,000 an hour is pure fantasy
Now make a "man city 115 charges : what could happen to the premier premier league if they fail aganist city" but i guess that won't get a lot of traffic
@@phileast1654 what could change for the league😂😂 the credibility and prestige...if they fail it would showcase their Neverending dislike of the city owners/state owned clubs like Newcastle
@@lawrence5841 it would show that they are not capable of beating city in court. If they fail the creditability and prestige is higher because the past decade hasn't been dominated by a team that cheated. The only people who see this as a witch hunt are city fans.
Does anyone believe there will be a meaningful punishment if found guilty. It will end up being no pudding for a week which will be reduced to 3 days on appeal.
The fact that Pep Guardiola can say with a straight face that City have done nothing wrong over and over means the Premier League are indeed wasting their time
Yep, after the comedy of Leicester filing their accounts two weeks later, meant they didn't break the rules, the EPL needs to get a grip. Government want to step in with an independent regulator and there is a massive fan based class action hanging over the EPL.
@@Renegade76892 Be interesting with the latest to come out of Bild. Allegedly it is dynamite. City will be lucky if they are not life time banned from world football.
@@jumpferjoy1st In the Leicester case EPL and EFL need an extration agreement so if club breaks PSR in EPL and then get relegated it follows you down same if you break EFL PSR rules they will follow you into EPL if get promoted.
It's ridiculous. I'm a chelsea fan we got a transfer ban for buying a young talent and basically tapping him up.. Literally got a transfer ban. They've got 115 charges 10000 times worse. If they don't do something I'm dead serious ill boycott the league me.
Did you just make a 40 minute video about Man City and potential negative consequences of all the violations they have committed? Why? We all know that they will get a scolding and a slap on the wrist.
Nice podcast, however, Matt Slater got it significantly wrong about Juventus. The majority of their stats left, Vieira, Zambrotta, Thuram, Ibrahimovic etc + Inter won the Serie A for numerous seasons after that, it wasn’t a one season turn around.
@@martinmurphy9679For what? Having an investigation? Not much grounds to press any charges is there? Please do state an actual rule or law you think FA has breached here by launching their investigation.
@@konzza They've dragged City's name through the dirt on the word of a convicted criminal hacker. PL not FA by the way. Every single report you read in the media is full of slanderous comments all due to this witch hunt. City sued the PL in June but the media don't want to report the verdict of that case for some unknown reason.
@@MegaTimtheman How can we be sure about it? They maybe innocent and all this facade was just for maligning their image and honestly it has worked. But that doesn't make them guilty. I feel clubs feel threatened by City because never they thought someone can built this kind of institution with money and brain in such a small time. Hence all this nauseating stuff.
@@MegaTimthemanget a grip lol.. in a world where chelsea are selling their own training facilities to themselves and spending 1.25 mil pounds in 18 months you come up with this dross.. it’s a smear campaign.. and it has worked, whether city are found guilty or not
60-100points is still a slap on the wrist because they would come straight back up . Going to be honest it has to be 300-700points if Everton got 10points for two charges …
@@nigl2807have a horrible feeling it will be a massive massive fine and a small points deduction unfortunately. £30mil worth of lawyers will find loopholes…the punishment city should get for their crimes is out of the football league completely but won’t happen.
It's almost like the 2 things aren't remotely similar. 1 relates to admitted breaches of spending rules; the other relates to denied allegations of fraud, false accounting, non-cooperation, perjury and other criminal activities involving members of government in Abu Dhabi. By that logic someone who murders 5 people should be banned from driving for 5 years as that's 5x the punishment of someone convicted of drink driving on one occasion
For people saying that Man City have 100% “cooked the books” and its a question of whether they can somehow get away with with money or loopholes, if that is at all a possibility then any club was able to do that or the rules have not actually been broken. You can’t just pay people off in a court like this, a loophole or not if its legal then they do no deserve to be punished because any other team could’ve used the same loopholes as they did
If found guilty the owners shouldn’t be allowed to own the club anymore, but shouldn’t be allowed to sell the club and make any financial gains. That’s the very least punishment they deserve. Any fine/points deduction/relegation is so hard to judge due to the magnitude. Trying to remain pessimistic though. I’m sure I read somewhere that City wouldn’t be allowed to appeal? Maybe I’m wrong there.
This is Enron and Arthur Anderson in the early 2000's. Enron and Arthur Anderson were the biggest company and the biggest auditor respectively. It took a year or so - and then neither of those Companies exist. Its the same thing - devious related party transactions, inflating sponsorships by roundtripping transactions. The delays here are not on their fault - but if they are found guilty, because its fraud, there will be sanctions against their executives, and could potentially be criminal. Thats why this is all happening slowly. Also with the lawyer costs - thats actually why City can't spend money on replacing Alvarez.
When Pep came people used to have a take on him by saying "Welcome to the premier league" and now people are begging him to leave the league. You still underestimate him?😂
There's no way they'll punish them in retrospect. It would cause a cascade of lawsuits. Runners up demanding titles and compensation. 5 place clubs claiming for lost champions league money. Teams relegated by a point or two claiming for their loss. Only people coming out smiling would be the lawyers. How can you realistically punish them now if found guilty??? Massive fine? Who gets that money? Dock them points? How many? Do you relegate them? When? This end of this season if it's all over by then? The year after? So do you have to leave them to finish out whatever season it's finalized so all their games mean nothing? Could they be the first team to win the champions League and to get relegated in the same season? And what about domestic cups? The whole thing is a mess. Left to go on too long and the longer it goes on the worse it will get... Unless of course you could just get them to promise not to do it again and sweep it all under a very big carpet??? My head hurts thinking about it
And, City will appeal. If they loose that appeal they'll appeal to civil court. If they loose that ones this goes on all the way up to high court and will last until 2027-2029. I do get why people are upset. But let's wait until the report comes out and see what will happen.
@@remotecontrolaccountremotecont to keep their own snouts in the trough and exclude anyone else you mean? The biggest cheats on the planet are the G14 mobsters.
@@remotecontrolaccountremotecont Doesn't change the fact you'll have to prove that before people take you seriously. If you can't prove your claims, they do not matter.
Any chance we'll get a podcast on Chelsea's new owners self-reporting and facing charges for financial anomalies which we understand (from the same source as the Man City leaks) to relate to similar crimes as City by Abramovich? Namely off the books payments to Conte, Hazard, Willian et al. Seems odd that theres been radio silence on that given the potential ramifications.
If found guilty then the owners should face some punishment too, not just the club. It's absolutely diabolical that the club takes all the punishment and they don't get punished
The owners own the club so they will be punished if they are found guilty if they are found innocent god help all the people who have publicly slandered city . That s a lot of financial ruin
The Man City correspondent trying to portray it as a positive thing was hilarious 😂 "This is match day for them" "Pep would love to manage in the Championship" Wtf
Easy to understand: Who are the owners of the clubs? Everton. A British-Iranian businessman based in Monaco. Leiscester. Kingpower, Thailand. Notthingan Forest. Evangelos Marinakis. Greece. Manchester City. Abu Dhabi United Group. Next? On the other hand we have Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal... who spend and spend money and nobody says anything. Where are these owners from? Pure hypocrisy and racism.
It's not as much racism as it is an attempt at just blatant market manipulation. The Greeks are still white people. Iranians are Persian, which most people consider to be white too. The thing is that the owners of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal are American. And they want to move the Premier League to the USA to have more money from charging higher ticket prices on fans. It's not racism, it's a blatant money grab in an attempt to steal English football away from English people.
If found guilty, they should be looking at the kinds of charges that Juve faced after Calciopoli with relegation and revocation of ill-gotten titles. But I doubt PL has the minerals to do it and even if they did, they probably don't have watertight enough rules to make that happen. While we're on the subject, people using City's wrongdoing to defend degenerate financially irresponsible clubs like Everton, Forest and Leicester are absolute clowns.
@@MRCL-190 City are accused of financial doping, fake sponsorships and submitting false accounts which is basically money laundering, along with a bunch of other things. Both of them are serious crimes and both revolve around the use of finances improperly to obtain an illegitimate advantage, the only difference between City and Juve is who they paid in order to cheat.
The " title strip " is pointless tho because they gonna claim it anyway, u can't tell any MCFC fan " hy that AGUEROOOO, GUNDOGAAAN didn't happen " , it's like when our dad's use to say to us [ go to ur room johny ] like it's gonna break half the sky or something 😒 . U can't wipe it from thier memory
@@martinmurphy9679 Everton cooperated eventually after initially not cooperating. I think the initial penalty should have stood and shouldn't have come down on appeal, but given that they eventually cooperated not to mention that their financial breaches did more damage than good, the points deductions would have been enough.
If the Titles are not stripped then what is the fucking point? Asterix means nothing if they are still Champions for those years ... at least deduct 10 points per season or something.
I’m not a City fan but I think stripping titles just punishes the players and fans. Regardless of what they may or may not have done financially they have been the best team in that period, I’m not sure you can just forget what you’ve seen. Plus would other clubs really want to be awarded titles by default.
@@TheBake1986 But if they cooked the books to get the players to be the best team, and you don't strip the titles, then you're creating the precedent that it's worth cheating to win. The FA can just do what the Tour de France did and declare the titles void for those years.
@@TheBake1986people want to pretend financial cheating doesn’t impact the on field results. That’s the whole reason these rules were created, to create a level playing field.
@@TheBake1986funny thing the media never even acknowledged them as the best team until they won it. Utd,Liverpool and Arsenal were more overhyped and still are than City every run in
@@tokinsloff312 If you add up all the money City are accused of fiddling, it wouldn't add up to one top player's transfer. It's a witch hunt and only one side of the story is being told. Have you heard the verdict from City suing the PL last June? No, I can't find a single report on that either. Why would that be?
What's the point of that tho they gonna claim it anyway , u can't really wipe out AGUEROOOO gaol and other insane Moments that happened from people's head 😄 . U can't tell Inter fan [ hy u didn't lose that UCL final] when he already watched that game full 90s depressed and it will still be on Internet .
Titles can only be stripped if wrong things have been done on the pitch. Like match fixing or doping. There is no way financial mishandling can cost titles. Players win titles, unless they have been involved in something, there is no possibility of title being stripped. City will most probably get 10+ points deduction and fine.
So if Man City lose does that mean every club that lost out on earnings/prize money/trophies because they lost to City while they were cheating could sue Man City?
Basically yes. Even relegated teams who dropped points to City. Everyone's final position is bought into question by illicit financial irregularities and the subsequent attempts to block investigation. The integrity of the league is already gone, the history now dotted with the stain and taint of asterisks, if this goes the wrong way for the clubs at the wrong end of this uneven playing field we get very close to a breakaway - from Man City as well as the EPL.
People are getting way too ahead of themselves. If this case goes against Man City we will appeal. If they loose that appeal they'll appeal to civil court. If they loose that ones this goes on all the way up to high court and will last until 2027-2029. I do get why people are upset. But let's wait until the report comes out and see what will happen. Brace ypurself with some patience. This will go on for a long time.
If Man City only get relegated to the championship, that is a JOKE. They’ll keep the majority of their players, win EVERY game and come back up with maximum points to win the premier league the following season. That is not on. Only if they get relegated to League One at a minimum will they truly be punished because players won’t stick around for that. Many of them will jump ship and City will have to rebuild their new team abiding by the rules this time. That is the only way justice gets served.
@@Chdk24 Uefa - accuser, judge and jury. Kangaroo court. CAS cleared them of all charges. There were no rules against City's spending when they first started. The G14 got it's arse into gear and came up with FFP in 2009. Uefa then gave clubs time to get their houses in order, remember?
Their breaches lasted years and allowed them to build teams that won over years. Their punishment needs to last several seasons, as well. It shouldn't be one major point deduction applicable to one season. It should be several point deductions applied over a number of seasons that would be commensurate with the extents of their breaches.
Would like to see an alternative viewpoint on this. Is there any other industry in the world where an owner of the business can’t put it in their own money to further the interests of their business? Would you be able to question the value of sponsorship deals, which has been agreed on by both parties, when it comes to a tech business for example? Since in hindsight the sponsorship deals were actually fair value due to City’s success, and are a subjective prospective valuation anyways, I think if you remove all bias and rivalry it’s actually a very interesting case.
Most US sports leagues like MLB, MLB and NFL have hard wage caps that can be described like the spending limits for the owners you were referring to. Both in Premier league and US sports you can still invest without limitations ro infrastructure like stadium etc.
@@konzza yeah but those caps are the same for each club so it’s a level playing field which isn’t anti competition.. it actually encourages you to invest in infrastructure as a way of attracting talent. The prems is based on ‘earnings’ thus giving unfair advantage to established big clubs and making it harder for smaller clubs to climb, thus being anti competition. The only clubs the rules benefit are the established big clubs.
Considering how City are going about the whole thing, they need to get the hammer down on them. Ridiculous to cheat, then be caught saying you'll just tie it up in court with the money you shouldn't have is disgraceful. We all know this will go on so long the appetite for this will go and they'll get a slap on the wrist.
Transfer embargo. The PL won't give Man City a punishment they won't accept. A 30 point reduction will result in an immediate appeal and drag on even further.
I just want the rules to be applied fairly, and evenly. I don't want it to matter if you're Manchester City, or Southampton, Liverpool or Ipswich. Just make it so that this punishment is the line in the sand, so that we can say "if you do x, expect x punishment". Clubs who have already had penalties in terms of points and fees will want to see this fairness applied, otherwise the likes of the super league look even more attractive.
Hilarious that "Sam Lee" thinks Pep would stay. Guy has run away from every league the moment they started getting investigated. He's first out the door because his entire legacy has been tainted twice.
If you bothered to finish the video before commenting - or even look at the chapter names - you'd notice that they did discuss it. But I suppose you're too biased to look at it neutrally.
So you didn't actually bother to listen to the conversation at all, but decided it's a good idea to come to comments to shout nonsense. Of course there's gonna be a follow up regardless of the outcome.
We all know they won’t get anything beyond a fine. The UK government is in their corner, they have the best lawyers and half the bigwigs at the prem likely on the payroll.
You start off immediately by not giving the right summary at all. UEFA did not say their case was not proven... They said the case, by large, had been time barred. Nothing to do with them not being able to prove it when the evidence is so blatantly obvious!
As a neutral, I would absolutely luv to see Man City drop to League 2 & Guardiola decide stay. Then guide the team win all the way back to premier league then win premier league again then win European trophy. That will b such a great football redemption story
What?? If they are found guilty and are relegated, Guardiola staying would be another joke. How would they afford him and his staffs wages? FFP would mean they would have to sell players and reduce wages so how do you think they would be able to pay pep?? Think about what you are saying guys.
City should be punished for the same number of seasons they have been charged for e.g. -30 points for each of the next 5 seasons. Relegation right down to the bottom league would also be fair and there are many precedents. Going back and taking trophies away won't have the impact, as the players and fans will retain those memories.
If found guilty they should agree to ritually sacrifice 5 first-team players with over 50 appearances for the club. If there's any City fans reading this, who would you pick to be sacrificed? And why? And no, you can't pick Scott Carson.
If they're proven guilty, their owners should automatically forfeit their "fit and proper" status and the club should either be forced into a sale, or expelled from the football pyramid. At a bare minimum, they should be relegated, given a 10 year transfer ban and a 20-30 points per season deduction to ensure promotion is nigh impossible. Fortunately the Premier League believe they've got City nailed. I can't see how they wriggle out of it based on the evidence I've seen. The corruption int he emails seems completely blatant. I don't know how they explain their way out of rule breaking, when (I'm certain) they acknowledge that their actions break the rules in the emails. The league needs to send a message to other teams that this behavior won't be tolerated and the punishment has to outweigh the benefits of doing it in the first place. An unprecedented fine will be expected for the lack of cooperation, but that alone won't be enough. Especially when Everton and Forrest have already had weighty points deductions for far less serious incidents. I believe the Premier League were intentionally setting a precedent with those punishments to reduce the likelihood of a successful appeal by City. We can all only hope they're not as complacent *ahem* (paid off) *ahem* as UEFA. I won't lie. It worried me that City met the government over this
3:25 this is straight up wrong. the CAS did not find that UEFAs case was “not proven,” they found that the statute of limitations had passed. this is an important distinction, the media needs to do their job correctly
1st of all thx for the content. I have a few issues with certain things you "touched on". To say that certain players and certain staff will stay IF city are found guilty and are pushed down the football pyramid that these certain employees will work for a lesser salary to what they can procure and have and can procure according to their skill set before, has ro be questioned. So Pep earns what, £15m plus a year? This is even before player wages etc. Also to allude to that certain achievements will not be taken away (if found guilty), as the ramifications of this become overwhelming for certain situations is a Glasgow kiss to the ordinary fan and staff of 100s of other football clubs in England. You cannot compare the investment monetary and more importantly socially to F1, rugby, etc to this situation with the EPL issues ATM. The fact is the FA dropped the ball back when Roman came in to sports wash a situation in the EPL. Football has lost it's heart when it was allowed for certain individuals and states to own an integral component to our society. Our passion is soooo hard that we allowed it in. Strange that once an owner of a football club who is richer than most countries, that certain "situations" were changed! Can we PLEASE start to give back to the fans. Would have been nice if you said that CAS had in their case a lot of things thrown out due to time limits as well. As this issue is not a legal case, it is irrelevant as to what happens in regards to this is also irrelevant to the law of the UK. What is being forgotten is the belief and wanting of the FAN.
Please get it right…City were not disguising owner equity as sponsorship in the early years. There was no need to because owner equity was not against the rules. City were running losses of £150m and it was all owner equity. Stopped listening at that point.
Thanks for the detailed analysis guys. All the conversation has been heavily slanted on the assumption the man city are guilty and the consequences thereof in terms of punishment. Im even more curious of the legal recource man city would have in the event they are exonerated. What can they possibly sue for given the reputational damages and the financial ones over the last decade ?
unfortunately, the PL has already shown they don't have the access to the lawyers that oil-rich city states or human rights violators can buy. There will be no punishment beyond a fine. maybe the PL should have been a little less greedy when these buyers tried to come in to the competition. they were never going to be able to hold such people to account.
Imo if they are found guilty for that amount of charges then i argue the punishment shouldn't just be pointe deduction but relegation to league 1, hell maybe even league 2 if its that bad.
I don't think it is correct to call this arbitration, this is more a special investigation panel, isn't it? Arbitration would suggest City and PL agreeing to resolve the dispute on mutual agreed adjudication procedures. That's not the case, this is judicial proceedings City has to submit to and have no choice in.the matter.
As if this isn't an exercise In confirming the complete loss of integrity in the top tier of English football where legal teams find a loophole or technicality that prevents any action being taken. They won't be punished. They've lawyered up sufficiently to be able to get away with this without ever establishing or proving innocence.
@@realitystrikes7685 I am 100% sure we are innocent because the rules are a rigged sham and we've already been cleared once, add to that our owners have said they have irrefutable evidence. I think you're just jealous and bitter.
These charges and subsequent punishment won't prevent the damage the UAE will continue to do to English football. Turns out that letting an authoritarian nation state's regime take over a football club was a very bad idea. Even ones who enjoy the odd arms deal with the UK. These are not people who will ever care about someone else's rules.
The yanks only need four more owners and they have total control of the PL. They are the ones taking all the money out. City's owners have invested billions into East Manchester. What damage has City's owners caused, apart from to your feelings and your club's trophy cabinet?
City owners will pay whomever is necessary for this to go away. Justice is an illusion, in this World it is all about Power and Greed if you don't understand that I got beachfront property in Kansas to sell you.
Wow, man city going out of business 😳, even if they are found not guilty people will automatically assume they bribed there way and the titles will be tainted, not revered in everyones eyes so will effectively be null and void
It's gotta be relegation. Take away their titles. Otherwise, what's the deterrent for this kind of cheating in the future? The message they will be sending is that it's okay to cheat as long as you win, and as long as you grease the right hands. We all know how this ends, though. City are found innocent, and someone moves into a bigger house. The will come to be known as a league where you can just buy titles. Newcastle will be next.
If they are found guilty what happens to the leagues they have won, what happens about the champions League and what happens to the folks that were relegated due to their games against City? If we find out we have a "cheat" in the league, the league will lose its validity, it certainly is concerning times
If City get away of all this, this league has lost credibility and quality. City literally bought the titles via loopholes, exploited the rules and we have no respect to the 'greatest team' from Pep PL era. That has to stay with them forever. Sad sad period for football and the fans.
Man city are being difficult (for me that shows guilt) why can’t the premier league suspend them until situation is resolved. That then would put the ball in Man City’s court. Therefore enticing them to act appropriately and get this over with quickly.
30 point deduction every year for 5 seasons straight. They can and may well stay up but theyll fight tooth and nail to do so each year and will miss europe every year
You know. The only way we can get the result is if theyre cleared everyone should boycott the premier league. And I mean everyone. This isn't acceptable. Sport washing at its finest. Chelsea fan here we got a transfer ban for tapping up a young talent. These guys have 10000 times worse charges. Imagine inflating your own company eithad as a sponsor and giving a recently bought out city football club a massive united level plus more money on top for a relegation battling team. Absolutely absurd.
Sorry, I thought Guardiola was on record as saying that if the city hierarchy has lied to him then he’ll leave?
Not a City fan but I believed this to be the case
What if they didn't and City wins the case and then Pep announces 3 year extension. PL would get in front of Pep and beg him to please leave the country and let someone else have a go.
Hence why he's still here, he knows
Yes, so what the hell is grumpy Sam Lee on about? He’s a joke….
Being found guilty in a kangaroo court doesn't mean Pep has been lied to. City were found guilty in Uefa's kangaroo court then CAS had a good laugh about it. This will end up in a proper court of law once City have been stitched up again. Can't see criminal Pinto's word being taken very seriously in a real court of law.
One of those where's its blatantly obvious to 99.% of people that City cooked the books but they will probably still get away with it. Got enough cash to buy out of any situation....
100%
Obvious? Tell me something I don't know
It is what it is just enjoy football
It wasn't obvious to cas...some are just so desperate you'll believe your own lies
We have a very successful team with enormous wealth who have spent the entire time cheating in order to win those things. Don't be so stupid.@@chinortega3
Army of lawyers will make this a never ending story but you have to be pretty naive to think they are innocent.
Then it shouldn't be hard to prove the case.
@@ianspencer9142 Naive comment, that's not how the world works
@zebmars8944 so you're calling cas naive?
▪︎UEFA ban City on 0 proof
▪︎If PL 115 Accusations bogus too
▪︎Corrupt - City or Establishment?😂
What are your expertise though? Do you work within the legal system, do you have a law degree? the law is obviously complex so it's mad to me that people just think they have all the answers with such little knowledge.
City are paying Lord Pannick KC, £10,000 an hour for their defence and their total costs will be astronomical. If they lose, an appeal will be guaranteed. If that doesn't go in their favour, it will likely reach the civil courts. It will be the 26-27 or 27-28 season at least before this is sorted.
That is the problem. All it will do is make sure the massive majority of the football public will want every single brick, the management, the owners, everything will be expunged from football. Lifetime bans, astronomical fines, anyone thinking about compensation for lost income will correctly be left with nothing. We could see Man City just get lifetime bans from ALL football and sod relegation. If the wanker Mansour thinks money wins, he needs to be locked up.
There is also going to be major fines against City for false accounting, we awaiting that cherry and Mansour will personally have to face that bundle of joy.
David Pannick represented me in a proceeds of crime case at the royal courts of justice, yes he is at the very top of his profession, and doesn't come cheap, but £10,000 an hour is pure fantasy
@@urbanastro4701 Who did you murder?
@@rory4605 Alexander Litvinenko
Spot on. Finally someone who gets it
It needs to be a penalty per season that they were found to be guilty. Honestly, multiple relegations should be on the table
They won’t get deducted more than 15 points
With the latest information to come out of Bild, Man City will be lucky if the club is not expunged and removed with lifetime bans.
@@jumpferjoy1st that’s wishful thinking, they’ll likely get away with a slap on the wrist
@@pstratos7will bi still enough for Arsenal to win the most unimpressive PL title 😂
Only in your dreams and dream more ..
Now make a "man city 115 charges : what could happen to the premier premier league if they fail aganist city" but i guess that won't get a lot of traffic
Why ? What would change for the league if they "fail" the league isn't accused of anything.
@@phileast1654Isn’t it accused of being corrupt and working for the red cartel?
@@robertmclellan3658 no, if they were I'm certain they would make a video.
@@phileast1654 what could change for the league😂😂 the credibility and prestige...if they fail it would showcase their Neverending dislike of the city owners/state owned clubs like Newcastle
@@lawrence5841 it would show that they are not capable of beating city in court. If they fail the creditability and prestige is higher because the past decade hasn't been dominated by a team that cheated. The only people who see this as a witch hunt are city fans.
Does anyone believe there will be a meaningful punishment if found guilty. It will end up being no pudding for a week which will be reduced to 3 days on appeal.
manchester city delays
The fact that Pep Guardiola can say with a straight face that City have done nothing wrong over and over means the Premier League are indeed wasting their time
Stop listening to the giant rabbit in the corner.
Good luck getting the majority of the charges to stick. People are being unrealistic.
This country and league are a joke if they lose this.
Yep, after the comedy of Leicester filing their accounts two weeks later, meant they didn't break the rules, the EPL needs to get a grip. Government want to step in with an independent regulator and there is a massive fan based class action hanging over the EPL.
Well get ready to laugh hysterically cause it's about to happen
@@Renegade76892 Be interesting with the latest to come out of Bild. Allegedly it is dynamite. City will be lucky if they are not life time banned from world football.
@@jumpferjoy1st In the Leicester case EPL and EFL need an extration agreement so if club breaks PSR in EPL and then get relegated it follows you down same if you break EFL PSR rules they will follow you into EPL if get promoted.
▪︎Everybody wants City Relegated
▪︎If PL 115 Accusations without proof
▪︎Everybody to demand PL investigated?😂
I have seen enough. 30 point deduction for Everton.
Hear, hear. Justice must be done.
It's ridiculous. I'm a chelsea fan we got a transfer ban for buying a young talent and basically tapping him up.. Literally got a transfer ban. They've got 115 charges 10000 times worse. If they don't do something I'm dead serious ill boycott the league me.
@@totalfootball1549 Another numpty doesn't know the difference between a charge and a conviction.
@@martinmurphy9679 the only difference is time in this case.
Did you just make a 40 minute video about Man City and potential negative consequences of all the violations they have committed? Why? We all know that they will get a scolding and a slap on the wrist.
They’re applying pressure on them
retroactive punishments
They might even get a plaque and applause
So that we know what should have been done and why
Scolding? They will be found not-guilty and then go on to absolutely expose the PL
Nice podcast, however, Matt Slater got it significantly wrong about Juventus. The majority of their stats left, Vieira, Zambrotta, Thuram, Ibrahimovic etc + Inter won the Serie A for numerous seasons after that, it wasn’t a one season turn around.
The majority stayed . Get your facts right
What happens if city are cleared?
Not much
@@Sui_Generis0 wouldn't be so sure
@@Sui_Generis0 You're joking right? City will sue them into oblivion.
@@martinmurphy9679For what? Having an investigation? Not much grounds to press any charges is there?
Please do state an actual rule or law you think FA has breached here by launching their investigation.
@@konzza They've dragged City's name through the dirt on the word of a convicted criminal hacker. PL not FA by the way. Every single report you read in the media is full of slanderous comments all due to this witch hunt. City sued the PL in June but the media don't want to report the verdict of that case for some unknown reason.
People are only saying what could happen if City is found guilty, but what about if City is found innocent? No1 ever think of the possibility
they are guilty as daylight the cheating 115 fc bastardss
The problem with that is that they're clearly not
@MegaTimtheman shall we look at the cas case and see what they said about it??
@@MegaTimtheman How can we be sure about it? They maybe innocent and all this facade was just for maligning their image and honestly it has worked. But that doesn't make them guilty.
I feel clubs feel threatened by City because never they thought someone can built this kind of institution with money and brain in such a small time. Hence all this nauseating stuff.
@@MegaTimthemanget a grip lol.. in a world where chelsea are selling their own training facilities to themselves and spending 1.25 mil pounds in 18 months you come up with this dross.. it’s a smear campaign.. and it has worked, whether city are found guilty or not
60-100points is still a slap on the wrist because they would come straight back up . Going to be honest it has to be 300-700points if Everton got 10points for two charges …
It simply won't be a fine. Serious charges which amounts to fraud imho
@@nigl2807have a horrible feeling it will be a massive massive fine and a small points deduction unfortunately. £30mil worth of lawyers will find loopholes…the punishment city should get for their crimes is out of the football league completely but won’t happen.
The point deduction wouldn't carry over. It would have to be points docked and a ban from the Prem to keep them out for more than a season
It's almost like the 2 things aren't remotely similar. 1 relates to admitted breaches of spending rules; the other relates to denied allegations of fraud, false accounting, non-cooperation, perjury and other criminal activities involving members of government in Abu Dhabi. By that logic someone who murders 5 people should be banned from driving for 5 years as that's 5x the punishment of someone convicted of drink driving on one occasion
60 point deduction and 600 point deduction is still one relegation lol
For people saying that Man City have 100% “cooked the books” and its a question of whether they can somehow get away with with money or loopholes, if that is at all a possibility then any club was able to do that or the rules have not actually been broken. You can’t just pay people off in a court like this, a loophole or not if its legal then they do no deserve to be punished because any other team could’ve used the same loopholes as they did
if they werent guilty, then why pay a fine for not cooperating...and why didnt they cooperate in the first place. City will win the case
Stopped cooperating cuz eufa kept leaking citys info to the press during the trial or whatever it was
Why would you cooperate with what was proven to be a witch hunt?
If found guilty the owners shouldn’t be allowed to own the club anymore, but shouldn’t be allowed to sell the club and make any financial gains. That’s the very least punishment they deserve. Any fine/points deduction/relegation is so hard to judge due to the magnitude. Trying to remain pessimistic though. I’m sure I read somewhere that City wouldn’t be allowed to appeal? Maybe I’m wrong there.
You are wrong, this isn’t Russia or North Korea you know.
Bro.. it’s FFP breaches, not war crimes
This is Enron and Arthur Anderson in the early 2000's. Enron and Arthur Anderson were the biggest company and the biggest auditor respectively. It took a year or so - and then neither of those Companies exist. Its the same thing - devious related party transactions, inflating sponsorships by roundtripping transactions. The delays here are not on their fault - but if they are found guilty, because its fraud, there will be sanctions against their executives, and could potentially be criminal. Thats why this is all happening slowly. Also with the lawyer costs - thats actually why City can't spend money on replacing Alvarez.
Imagine guardiola gets relegated and fails to escape the championship lol
When Pep came people used to have a take on him by saying "Welcome to the premier league" and now people are begging him to leave the league.
You still underestimate him?😂
Imagine he has a 100 point season in the Championship but like Leeds United last season, somehow end up in the playoffs and lose the final
Completely wrong. The emails have all been dealt with and none of the initial investment was inflated or owner funded
I'm sure you're an objective source here.
@@brianmckee2267 I just read the CAS decision
There's no way they'll punish them in retrospect. It would cause a cascade of lawsuits. Runners up demanding titles and compensation. 5 place clubs claiming for lost champions league money. Teams relegated by a point or two claiming for their loss. Only people coming out smiling would be the lawyers. How can you realistically punish them now if found guilty??? Massive fine? Who gets that money? Dock them points? How many? Do you relegate them? When? This end of this season if it's all over by then? The year after? So do you have to leave them to finish out whatever season it's finalized so all their games mean nothing? Could they be the first team to win the champions League and to get relegated in the same season? And what about domestic cups? The whole thing is a mess. Left to go on too long and the longer it goes on the worse it will get... Unless of course you could just get them to promise not to do it again and sweep it all under a very big carpet??? My head hurts thinking about it
just ban cheating 115 fc from football
And, City will appeal. If they loose that appeal they'll appeal to civil court. If they loose that ones this goes on all the way up to high court and will last until 2027-2029.
I do get why people are upset. But let's wait until the report comes out and see what will happen.
@@Herbalattraction3000 doesn't change the fact that cheats are cheats. We know the cheats will try every little thieving trick they know
@@remotecontrolaccountremotecont to keep their own snouts in the trough and exclude anyone else you mean? The biggest cheats on the planet are the G14 mobsters.
@@remotecontrolaccountremotecont Doesn't change the fact you'll have to prove that before people take you seriously. If you can't prove your claims, they do not matter.
Any chance we'll get a podcast on Chelsea's new owners self-reporting and facing charges for financial anomalies which we understand (from the same source as the Man City leaks) to relate to similar crimes as City by Abramovich? Namely off the books payments to Conte, Hazard, Willian et al. Seems odd that theres been radio silence on that given the potential ramifications.
You won't get response to that. U think ppl chanting 115 are doing that bc some good for nothing rules were broken.
If found guilty then the owners should face some punishment too, not just the club. It's absolutely diabolical that the club takes all the punishment and they don't get punished
The owners own the club so they will be punished if they are found guilty if they are found innocent god help all the people who have publicly slandered city . That s a lot of financial ruin
The Man City correspondent trying to portray it as a positive thing was hilarious 😂
"This is match day for them"
"Pep would love to manage in the Championship"
Wtf
Easy to understand:
Who are the owners of the clubs?
Everton. A British-Iranian businessman based in Monaco.
Leiscester. Kingpower, Thailand.
Notthingan Forest. Evangelos Marinakis. Greece.
Manchester City. Abu Dhabi United Group.
Next?
On the other hand we have Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal... who spend and spend money and nobody says anything. Where are these owners from?
Pure hypocrisy and racism.
It's not as much racism as it is an attempt at just blatant market manipulation. The Greeks are still white people. Iranians are Persian, which most people consider to be white too. The thing is that the owners of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal are American. And they want to move the Premier League to the USA to have more money from charging higher ticket prices on fans.
It's not racism, it's a blatant money grab in an attempt to steal English football away from English people.
Or that they haven't cooked the books? 🤷♂
All their titles need to be removed if guilty. Imagine cycling leaving Lance Armstrong with his Tour De France winners medals.
If found guilty, they should be looking at the kinds of charges that Juve faced after Calciopoli with relegation and revocation of ill-gotten titles. But I doubt PL has the minerals to do it and even if they did, they probably don't have watertight enough rules to make that happen.
While we're on the subject, people using City's wrongdoing to defend degenerate financially irresponsible clubs like Everton, Forest and Leicester are absolute clowns.
They literally were match fixing 😂
Not just paying people through other companies. They couldn’t be more different 😂😂
@@MRCL-190 City are accused of financial doping, fake sponsorships and submitting false accounts which is basically money laundering, along with a bunch of other things. Both of them are serious crimes and both revolve around the use of finances improperly to obtain an illegitimate advantage, the only difference between City and Juve is who they paid in order to cheat.
The " title strip " is pointless tho because they gonna claim it anyway, u can't tell any MCFC fan " hy that AGUEROOOO, GUNDOGAAAN didn't happen " , it's like when our dad's use to say to us [ go to ur room johny ] like it's gonna break half the sky or something 😒 . U can't wipe it from thier memory
Don't you think there has been a precedent set with Everton avoiding relegation and being docked points the following season?
@@martinmurphy9679 Everton cooperated eventually after initially not cooperating. I think the initial penalty should have stood and shouldn't have come down on appeal, but given that they eventually cooperated not to mention that their financial breaches did more damage than good, the points deductions would have been enough.
If the Titles are not stripped then what is the fucking point? Asterix means nothing if they are still Champions for those years ... at least deduct 10 points per season or something.
I’m not a City fan but I think stripping titles just punishes the players and fans. Regardless of what they may or may not have done financially they have been the best team in that period, I’m not sure you can just forget what you’ve seen. Plus would other clubs really want to be awarded titles by default.
@@TheBake1986 But if they cooked the books to get the players to be the best team, and you don't strip the titles, then you're creating the precedent that it's worth cheating to win. The FA can just do what the Tour de France did and declare the titles void for those years.
@@TheBake1986people want to pretend financial cheating doesn’t impact the on field results. That’s the whole reason these rules were created, to create a level playing field.
@@TheBake1986funny thing the media never even acknowledged them as the best team until they won it. Utd,Liverpool and Arsenal were more overhyped and still are than City every run in
@@tokinsloff312 If you add up all the money City are accused of fiddling, it wouldn't add up to one top player's transfer. It's a witch hunt and only one side of the story is being told. Have you heard the verdict from City suing the PL last June? No, I can't find a single report on that either. Why would that be?
Great to see a measured, balanced argument here.
Sam Lee is delusional. Zero chance guardiola stays if they get expelled
Only stripping titles will be justice. Otherwise it’s just a tax on cheating.
What's the point of that tho they gonna claim it anyway , u can't really wipe out AGUEROOOO gaol and other insane Moments that happened from people's head 😄 .
U can't tell Inter fan [ hy u didn't lose that UCL final] when he already watched that game full 90s depressed and it will still be on Internet .
Titles can only be stripped if wrong things have been done on the pitch. Like match fixing or doping. There is no way financial mishandling can cost titles. Players win titles, unless they have been involved in something, there is no possibility of title being stripped.
City will most probably get 10+ points deduction and fine.
@@deepakpandey8240fielding a team that should not be on the pitch 100% impacts the result
But if you strip the titles, then all the jokes about Gerrard's slip will be for nothing too 😅
@@deepakpandey8240Yes. Finally someone who's not over the top in the assessment. It's rare to see these days. Cheers
You lot have failed to address how these charges will result in an 8 point deduction for Everton
Can’t understand, why possibly the biggest scandal to hit the premier league, is happening behind closed doors. Where is the transparency?
So if Man City lose does that mean every club that lost out on earnings/prize money/trophies because they lost to City while they were cheating could sue Man City?
Basically yes. Even relegated teams who dropped points to City. Everyone's final position is bought into question by illicit financial irregularities and the subsequent attempts to block investigation.
The integrity of the league is already gone, the history now dotted with the stain and taint of asterisks, if this goes the wrong way for the clubs at the wrong end of this uneven playing field we get very close to a breakaway - from Man City as well as the EPL.
These types of Episodes are really intresting and entertaining.
Good Job The Athletic 👍
People are getting way too ahead of themselves.
If this case goes against Man City we will appeal. If they loose that appeal they'll appeal to civil court. If they loose that ones this goes on all the way up to high court and will last until 2027-2029.
I do get why people are upset. But let's wait until the report comes out and see what will happen. Brace ypurself with some patience. This will go on for a long time.
Voiding the titles they won, drop them down to league two, multiple transfer bans. Oh yeah ban from Europe. Realistic ? 😅
If City wins their case what will happen to the EPL?
My guess is it's some charges guilty, some cleared, some still muddy. Point deduction and fine, no auto relegation and no titles stripped.
If I sent an email admitting to killing someone, id still be guilty of murder no matter how the email was obtained.
What if innocent and the premier league investigated city for four years that's the hold up 😂
It baffles me how you always make videos about Man City without including city correspondent Sam Lee. Its a sign of disrespect.
He's in the video
If Man City only get relegated to the championship, that is a JOKE. They’ll keep the majority of their players, win EVERY game and come back up with maximum points to win the premier league the following season. That is not on. Only if they get relegated to League One at a minimum will they truly be punished because players won’t stick around for that. Many of them will jump ship and City will have to rebuild their new team abiding by the rules this time. That is the only way justice gets served.
So, guilty then? When was the verdict?
@@martinmurphy9679 UEFA already found them guilty. You can see plain as day the money they suddenly were able to spend was dodgy af.
@@Chdk24 Uefa - accuser, judge and jury. Kangaroo court. CAS cleared them of all charges. There were no rules against City's spending when they first started. The G14 got it's arse into gear and came up with FFP in 2009. Uefa then gave clubs time to get their houses in order, remember?
@@martinmurphy9679 we’ll see won’t we when this case comes to a close 😉
They won't be able to keep players, championship income is nothing compared to pl they'd fail ffp again with wages outcome
Their breaches lasted years and allowed them to build teams that won over years.
Their punishment needs to last several seasons, as well. It shouldn't be one major point deduction applicable to one season. It should be several point deductions applied over a number of seasons that would be commensurate with the extents of their breaches.
Would like to see an alternative viewpoint on this. Is there any other industry in the world where an owner of the business can’t put it in their own money to further the interests of their business? Would you be able to question the value of sponsorship deals, which has been agreed on by both parties, when it comes to a tech business for example?
Since in hindsight the sponsorship deals were actually fair value due to City’s success, and are a subjective prospective valuation anyways, I think if you remove all bias and rivalry it’s actually a very interesting case.
Most US sports leagues like MLB, MLB and NFL have hard wage caps that can be described like the spending limits for the owners you were referring to.
Both in Premier league and US sports you can still invest without limitations ro infrastructure like stadium etc.
@@konzza yeah but those caps are the same for each club so it’s a level playing field which isn’t anti competition.. it actually encourages you to invest in infrastructure as a way of attracting talent. The prems is based on ‘earnings’ thus giving unfair advantage to established big clubs and making it harder for smaller clubs to climb, thus being anti competition. The only clubs the rules benefit are the established big clubs.
@@cameronpilling6675 You're right, but that wasn't part of the initial question.
@@konzza okay..? Guess you’re right on that point then? Doesn’t really mean anything for the whole discussion though?
This is so silly. City broke the financial rules of a league, dominated it for a decade and we're meant to act like there is a question? Stop.
Huh? This is what the investigation is in place to determine. Not a personal opinion of a random dude in RUclips comments.
Considering how City are going about the whole thing, they need to get the hammer down on them. Ridiculous to cheat, then be caught saying you'll just tie it up in court with the money you shouldn't have is disgraceful. We all know this will go on so long the appetite for this will go and they'll get a slap on the wrist.
Transfer embargo. The PL won't give Man City a punishment they won't accept. A 30 point reduction will result in an immediate appeal and drag on even further.
I just want the rules to be applied fairly, and evenly. I don't want it to matter if you're Manchester City, or Southampton, Liverpool or Ipswich. Just make it so that this punishment is the line in the sand, so that we can say "if you do x, expect x punishment".
Clubs who have already had penalties in terms of points and fees will want to see this fairness applied, otherwise the likes of the super league look even more attractive.
Hilarious that "Sam Lee" thinks Pep would stay. Guy has run away from every league the moment they started getting investigated. He's first out the door because his entire legacy has been tainted twice.
The bias is real. What about making a video on if the charges don't stick?
If you bothered to finish the video before commenting - or even look at the chapter names - you'd notice that they did discuss it. But I suppose you're too biased to look at it neutrally.
So you didn't actually bother to listen to the conversation at all, but decided it's a good idea to come to comments to shout nonsense.
Of course there's gonna be a follow up regardless of the outcome.
A bit disingenuous to have pep as the thumbnail instead of sheikh mansoor or one of the other city higher ups
We all know they won’t get anything beyond a fine. The UK government is in their corner, they have the best lawyers and half the bigwigs at the prem likely on the payroll.
You start off immediately by not giving the right summary at all. UEFA did not say their case was not proven... They said the case, by large, had been time barred. Nothing to do with them not being able to prove it when the evidence is so blatantly obvious!
As a neutral, I would absolutely luv to see Man City drop to League 2 & Guardiola decide stay. Then guide the team win all the way back to premier league then win premier league again then win European trophy. That will b such a great football redemption story
Don’t be delusional
Relegation! And strip all there titles
And who says they will be demoted to the Championship and not to League Two? Or even one step for every year
What?? If they are found guilty and are relegated, Guardiola staying would be another joke. How would they afford him and his staffs wages? FFP would mean they would have to sell players and reduce wages so how do you think they would be able to pay pep?? Think about what you are saying guys.
City should be punished for the same number of seasons they have been charged for e.g. -30 points for each of the next 5 seasons. Relegation right down to the bottom league would also be fair and there are many precedents. Going back and taking trophies away won't have the impact, as the players and fans will retain those memories.
You just have to read the emails and it becomes blatantly obvious.
If found guilty they should agree to ritually sacrifice 5 first-team players with over 50 appearances for the club. If there's any City fans reading this, who would you pick to be sacrificed? And why? And no, you can't pick Scott Carson.
If they're proven guilty, their owners should automatically forfeit their "fit and proper" status and the club should either be forced into a sale, or expelled from the football pyramid. At a bare minimum, they should be relegated, given a 10 year transfer ban and a 20-30 points per season deduction to ensure promotion is nigh impossible.
Fortunately the Premier League believe they've got City nailed. I can't see how they wriggle out of it based on the evidence I've seen. The corruption int he emails seems completely blatant. I don't know how they explain their way out of rule breaking, when (I'm certain) they acknowledge that their actions break the rules in the emails.
The league needs to send a message to other teams that this behavior won't be tolerated and the punishment has to outweigh the benefits of doing it in the first place. An unprecedented fine will be expected for the lack of cooperation, but that alone won't be enough. Especially when Everton and Forrest have already had weighty points deductions for far less serious incidents. I believe the Premier League were intentionally setting a precedent with those punishments to reduce the likelihood of a successful appeal by City. We can all only hope they're not as complacent *ahem* (paid off) *ahem* as UEFA. I won't lie. It worried me that City met the government over this
3:25 this is straight up wrong. the CAS did not find that UEFAs case was “not proven,” they found that the statute of limitations had passed. this is an important distinction, the media needs to do their job correctly
You’re wrong go read the case
@@dhruvrawla2455 you are wrong. I have read the 120 page verdict.
@TheNealtt it's 93 pages so no you haven't
@@Renegade76892 no its 120 ..you dont know then
@@TheNealtt I'm literally looking at it rn it's 93. And cas cleared city idk what you're looking at
1st of all thx for the content. I have a few issues with certain things you "touched on". To say that certain players and certain staff will stay IF city are found guilty and are pushed down the football pyramid that these certain employees will work for a lesser salary to what they can procure and have and can procure according to their skill set before, has ro be questioned. So Pep earns what, £15m plus a year? This is even before player wages etc. Also to allude to that certain achievements will not be taken away (if found guilty), as the ramifications of this become overwhelming for certain situations is a Glasgow kiss to the ordinary fan and staff of 100s of other football clubs in England. You cannot compare the investment monetary and more importantly socially to F1, rugby, etc to this situation with the EPL issues ATM. The fact is the FA dropped the ball back when Roman came in to sports wash a situation in the EPL. Football has lost it's heart when it was allowed for certain individuals and states to own an integral component to our society. Our passion is soooo hard that we allowed it in. Strange that once an owner of a football club who is richer than most countries, that certain "situations" were changed! Can we PLEASE start to give back to the fans. Would have been nice if you said that CAS had in their case a lot of things thrown out due to time limits as well. As this issue is not a legal case, it is irrelevant as to what happens in regards to this is also irrelevant to the law of the UK. What is being forgotten is the belief and wanting of the FAN.
BRING BACK THE CHAIR
The Premier League already have their ducking stool at the ready
If they don't end up in the Cheshire League Third Division then the FA are serious about this.
That would be interesting given they’re not in Cheshire
Absolutely no chance they will be punished or lose the case itself. Money always wins
Please get it right…City were not disguising owner equity as sponsorship in the early years. There was no need to because owner equity was not against the rules. City were running losses of £150m and it was all owner equity. Stopped listening at that point.
another cheating 115 fc lawyer. disgraceful cheats
@@remotecontrolaccountremotecontbottlers overhyped best team ever got deceived by the media..lol
Sam Lee is being very naïve, Pep is leaving if they are found guilty
Thanks for the detailed analysis guys. All the conversation has been heavily slanted on the assumption the man city are guilty and the consequences thereof in terms of punishment. Im even more curious of the legal recource man city would have in the event they are exonerated. What can they possibly sue for given the reputational damages and the financial ones over the last decade ?
unfortunately, the PL has already shown they don't have the access to the lawyers that oil-rich city states or human rights violators can buy. There will be no punishment beyond a fine.
maybe the PL should have been a little less greedy when these buyers tried to come in to the competition. they were never going to be able to hold such people to account.
Go check up how much the PL’s lawyers cost. They’re all very accomplished… idiot …
Imo if they are found guilty for that amount of charges then i argue the punishment shouldn't just be pointe deduction but relegation to league 1, hell maybe even league 2 if its that bad.
I don't think it is correct to call this arbitration, this is more a special investigation panel, isn't it? Arbitration would suggest City and PL agreeing to resolve the dispute on mutual agreed adjudication procedures. That's not the case, this is judicial proceedings City has to submit to and have no choice in.the matter.
And the hearing is being held in the Dispute resolution centre in London.
Why should they get punished at all? Aren't they rich?
What punishment might the premier league get once they fail?
Come on lads, Guardiola has literary said he's offski if they get found guilty. I've no idea where youre getting this notion of him staying from.
He literally said "If I've been lied to I will go". Bit of a difference there chum.
@martinmurphy9679 so if he stays he's admitting he's in on it? I doubt he'd be that stupid my guy.
@@Stegibbon Wow, your mind works in a peculiar way. In on what?
@@martinmurphy9679 OK mate. Guessing you're just dumb or something...
@@martinmurphy9679 what do you think? Don't act dumb mate.
Juve lost many big stars, mostly the Italian players who came thru the Juve ranks stayed
As if this isn't an exercise In confirming the complete loss of integrity in the top tier of English football where legal teams find a loophole or technicality that prevents any action being taken. They won't be punished. They've lawyered up sufficiently to be able to get away with this without ever establishing or proving innocence.
It's a hearing not a legal case do your homework
Sam Lee is the most mouthpiece journo I regularly have the displeasure of hearing from in these various football forums
Do we get a "What if City are innocent?" Video tomorrow?
You are not innocent and you know it as well. get use to it
@@realitystrikes7685 I am 100% sure we are innocent because the rules are a rigged sham and we've already been cleared once, add to that our owners have said they have irrefutable evidence. I think you're just jealous and bitter.
Guess we'll never know
@@7stiano123 oh you will soon enough
These charges and subsequent punishment won't prevent the damage the UAE will continue to do to English football. Turns out that letting an authoritarian nation state's regime take over a football club was a very bad idea. Even ones who enjoy the odd arms deal with the UK. These are not people who will ever care about someone else's rules.
The yanks only need four more owners and they have total control of the PL. They are the ones taking all the money out. City's owners have invested billions into East Manchester. What damage has City's owners caused, apart from to your feelings and your club's trophy cabinet?
It's actually 130. 115 just has a ring to it but its somehow even more than 115. Lol.
Nottingham Forest shall be deducted 15 points.
City owners will pay whomever is necessary for this to go away. Justice is an illusion, in this World it is all about Power and Greed if you don't understand that I got beachfront property in Kansas to sell you.
Good cast, excellent discussion a shame the bots have decended in the comments section
Everyone wants city relegated not because the charges but they are jelous
Wow, man city going out of business 😳, even if they are found not guilty people will automatically assume they bribed there way and the titles will be tainted, not revered in everyones eyes so will effectively be null and void
1mil point deduction for man city please
Has the hapless Premier League thrown the towel in yet?
DEI hires are wrecking all football shows
Who's a DEI hire?
@@OwenSindler I wonder lol
Pep would go back to Barca
It's gotta be relegation. Take away their titles. Otherwise, what's the deterrent for this kind of cheating in the future? The message they will be sending is that it's okay to cheat as long as you win, and as long as you grease the right hands. We all know how this ends, though. City are found innocent, and someone moves into a bigger house. The will come to be known as a league where you can just buy titles. Newcastle will be next.
Simple answer is absolutely nothing, they will get off Scot free.
If they are found guilty what happens to the leagues they have won, what happens about the champions League and what happens to the folks that were relegated due to their games against City? If we find out we have a "cheat" in the league, the league will lose its validity, it certainly is concerning times
We have half a dozen cheats in the league at least.
If City get away of all this, this league has lost credibility and quality. City literally bought the titles via loopholes, exploited the rules and we have no respect to the 'greatest team' from Pep PL era. That has to stay with them forever. Sad sad period for football and the fans.
Man city are being difficult (for me that shows guilt) why can’t the premier league suspend them until situation is resolved. That then would put the ball in Man City’s court. Therefore enticing them to act appropriately and get this over with quickly.
You wouldn't like the innocent verdict anyway..lol
You wouldn't like the innocent verdict anyway lol
@@DavidRegaL-lw5xz doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out bud. Not 115 fc fan are you ?? 😂
30 point deduction every year for 5 seasons straight. They can and may well stay up but theyll fight tooth and nail to do so each year and will miss europe every year
You know. The only way we can get the result is if theyre cleared everyone should boycott the premier league. And I mean everyone. This isn't acceptable. Sport washing at its finest. Chelsea fan here we got a transfer ban for tapping up a young talent. These guys have 10000 times worse charges. Imagine inflating your own company eithad as a sponsor and giving a recently bought out city football club a massive united level plus more money on top for a relegation battling team. Absolutely absurd.