I FIRED THEM!! 26x40 metal building Dream Garage build Ep.2
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I'm watching this in 2023 and you are still NOT crazy for asking the builder to provide what you paid for. I'm starting my build in about a month, and I am glad I came across your channel. I hope I don't have to fire someone.
hows it going?
I'm a pre engineered building installer mostly 50000 sq ft and up....but your concerns are absolutely valid. It's a good thing you were inspecting like you were.
Each and everyone working on this project should have pride in their work no matter how much the customer paid ; should be 100% quality . Myself , I want to be able to go back to a project and be proud to say that I helped build that... Be humble satisfied and have pride in your work ..
The points you raised are absolutely legitimate concerns and you did the right thing by putting a holt to the build.
Don't back down !!! If your contract said that the building must pass County inspection, hold firm !!!
Yup the inspector will keep failing it till the issues are fixed.
As a retired structural engineer, my advice is to cancel the contract and demand the "building" be removed. Any effort to correct the roof truss issue is pointless.
The walls and supporting structure would never support any roof loading and snow load no matter what truss system they put on it.
All you have to do is run a beam all the way across. If the building is 16 feet wide that's how long it has to be. It rests on your top plate
@@jimandrews2967 not four feet of snow that's 4 sure.
@@travishanks7295 Really? And just what size "beam" are you suggesting? And what material? And how far apart?
And if the roof "trusses" are under/incorrectly designed, what makes you think the wall studs and bracing are any better off? Will the added "beam" impart additional loads on the wall system?
As I recommended, scrap the building and demand a refund. Or require the building supplier provide a document signed and sealed by a licensed engineer.
@@travishanks7295 you're describing a ceiling joist. I'm sure the dimensions submitted on the truss materials met the code for the approved plans, but describing a 6' rafter collar basically, vs a triangulated truss that is structurally designed for the load that span would expect, a single piece of extrusion won't necessarily meet those load requirements at the span he has.
You were 100 percent right. I just cancelled a garage today because the manufacturing company sent me the wrong drawings for me to use for the building permit . When I contacted them to to get the correct drawings they wanted to charge me 2500.00 for them. Stay away from Longhorn Steel Structures.
It's more common than people think! Some shady contractors out there. Thanks for watching.
I acted as my own contractor for my shop build, with about half the work being done by me. Its amazing how good all the contractors i hired did. I think them knowing how involved i was kept them honest
I would be livid, you are absolutely correct in questioning everything they did and did not do. The roof truss is a huge problem!
Thanks for the support.
In my humble opinion, you always get what you pay for. It looks like about the cheapest metal building you could buy not meaning any insult. There are all kinds of buildings and all kinds of quality with the price to match. But that still isn't an excuse for poor builds. But since I have looked into all kinds of metal buildings myself I've concluded to spend more on a well-built red iron building.
Thanks for the input. If I could do it over again id 100% go red iron building as well.
agreed
Get iron, cut it, weld it. Not rocket science.
Yeah been doing I-beam frame buildings for 20 years now
I am no expert builder , but I have built several barns , carports , etc. for myself in my 63 years. From my experience with special order metal roofing/siding , it looks like the dye that they used when rolling that out into sheets was bad on that one edge . I've bought my metal from a small mom and pop operation the last few times . What I like about this is that they roll it out and cut it to your exact specifications right in front of you while you wait . This way if there are any questions , you or them can ask those questions so there is no confusion as to what you want , or if you notice any issues . I can tell you from experience , whoever rolled those sheets out , knew that there were problems with that edge .
I had a 28x36 put up last year, the trusses are like yours were supposed to be , crew did a great job and i am happy so far,
Awesome who did yours?
no, you are sound and ok.I admire your coolness. I am a physician and the worker took advantage almost 100% when I was not present. Trick me all the time. The building must be the project-wise 100%
Thank you. We finally ended up getting it worked out.
I am sure someone else has said this, but it's "you're fired!" LOL. Sorry anyone had to be fired, but I agree, I would want the proper roof support. The seems are nasty too. You made the right choice.
Well I scrolled to see if anyone else posted this so I guess I won't have to. Cheers
I know I'm a little late to the party however I just discovered your channel. I build steel buildings for a living. You definitely need that bottom truss cord to be 16' and the verticals are mandatory for any kind of "snow load". Also those roof panels aren't enough to stiffen the building. There should be wind bracing running through the bottom truss cords connecting all of them. I'll watch on to see how it turned out. Good luck!
I noticed the lack of corner bracing also.
I see your point 100%, some contractors don't realize how much of your budget is being eaten up with a project like that. To some it's just another job but to the customer it may be something you've saved up for quite some time. I work for people on the side and always address any concerns if it is valid! The 3rd party issue only complicates your issue. Hope it turns out well for you,looking forward to seeing the outcome in your favor!
@@greghill8354 I just had one built; I have wanted one for 30 years and finally in a position to get it. I love it for the most part, but there are issues with the idiots that built it.
There is a Huge difference between a Collar Tie and a Truss. With our snow load we can't put up the cold rolled steel. BTW from GoBuildItBetter: Sent'm pack'n was the right thing to do. Be Blessed
Thank you sir.
You are not crazy. I am glad you stood up what you expected to get and won't take @#!% for an answer! Thanks for sharing all of that!
Seriously, I am 100 % with you on this! I too have had experiences like this with sub contractors and contractors who do not seem to have any integrity or pride in what they do. I would be extremely pissed at that kind of poor building practise and it just shows that so many builders will try and cut corners to save themselves a dollar at our expense! Dig in my friend and don't let them get away with this! Cheers and good luck!
I just had to clear a roof like that very sketchy . The siding panels do go up and down on the outsides. Make sure you sheets are screwed down at bottom edges not in between ridges
It's the way our young have been taught for the last 30 years. Everything is built to throw away. This guy took a chance and lost. Ya get what ya pay for.
now in my experience these things are often the result of the customer wanting the cheapest product for an even cheaper price. it nurtures and breeds the kind of contractors who think this is exceptable.
You know what’s funny is by the looks of it with what the material looks like they did a solid job with what they were sent. That being said they were sent shitty material
100% in the right Mike! Nothing OCD about it. That’s a completely different plan than you were sold and obviously affects the integrity of the building. Sorry you’re having to deal with that, but don’t back down! Good Luck
Thanks man I think we got it figured out!
This is why it's a good idea to have a detailed contract. More importantly, it helps a ton if you know how structurally sound metal buildings are made and assembled.
I went through some similar problems. In 2004. No luck. You're absolutely right brother. Your money you should get what was contracted.
That was the first mistake that caught my eye was those truss braces . They looked to small in depth and in length-run. The chandelier at the point where the brace ends to the wall allows the roof rafter to bounce. Not sure what state your in, but it does not appear this roof will hold a snow load.
That is the same thing that I was thinking about where does he live, does it come heavy snows there, cause those rafters will buckle under big heavy snows . Even what they did would not have much wind resistance, with no more bracing than the one 6 ft piece at the top and no more rows of metal strips from one end of the building to the other end on top of the rafters. Purlins seem like there called , I can't remember, on a all metal building. It would be like sheeting boards on a wood structure building.
Anyway, it's a weak structure the way that they have it, on that side of building.
on that ( size ) of building
You can tell by the way they're bent at the end those truss braces are for one of those carports with no walls 😲
It is a trussed roof built like a post and beam . Without the post and beam.
Thanks alot for this video lm a dealer sales man and lm training to be honest with my costumers every time l do a close this keep me leaning and understanding to costumers every day!!
You are absolutely right with your concerns. That crap would not fly for me either. Good luck
thanks man. Luckily, we got it figured out.
I ordered a 30x40 building from Olympia Steel Buildings. It came with blue prints, assembly instructions, and all the materials needed to complete. I ordered insulation along with the building. The doors I had to purchase separately. I got 2 10x10 garage doors and a 36" man door. My brothers and I built it ourselves on a 4" thick concrete slab. After getting the building up and doors installed, I pulled a 60 amp service from my house for electricity. I ran a natural gas line and installed a 80,000 BTU furnace, and I ran a water line for my deep sink. I am all in for about $22,000. Very pleased with the building.
Some great information on reality and “the contract”. You’re right on both issues. Not surprising that they use not in contract even when they didn’t follow other items in contract.
thanks for the support
I have built a few of these and getting ready to build one more, maybe two. They are good buildings for the price but you get what you pay for. A quick easy building on a budget.
The trusses I am with you 100%, the metal sides I say being picky and if you can't stand blemishes maybe not build on a budget.
I would have let them finish building it but told the sales person, not paying for it until I have the correct trusses.
How do they hold up? We are thinking of building one to finish as a small horse barn
I have been planning to do this for some time now. Thank you for sharing your troubles. I hope it all works out. The answer to your question is YES, they should make it right.
Hahaha I watched this video only to say….*you’re
Well done. You got me.
Sorry to hear man, hope they make it right. You are definitely in the right.
Thanks! I think there gonna make it right.
Pole barns or steel outbuildings seem to be in a class of trouble all to themselves. i am a residential contractor and right now am having a 40x70 pole barn built on my farm. After initial pole placement, the "contracted" framer (who was hired by the barn builder) put the trusses on , and maybe 6 braces in to the ground to hold the structure , then told me they had to finish a job, so they would be back in a week. I told them the building would never stay as-was with such horrid bracing. They left anyway. In a week, the building had racked nearly 4". I told the barn building company that they could either get me a structural engineer letter or tear it down. Yes, only nailed together at that point , but their fix was to push on the gable with a skidsteer. My point is that many of the people that do this work know they will never see you again, and time is money - they want done now. SO, hold your ground and never over-pay for completition. Hold at least 20% of the total until they are 100% done and inspected.
There are way too many individuals on youtube constructing buildings that are not designed by an engineer and are just an accident waiting to happen and the contractor or homeowner DIY are too stupid to see the significance of having it engineered. .
Man, I completely understand your concern and frustration. Many people these days try to cut corners no matter what industry they're in to save cost. It's the customer that ends up paying for it in the end. Hope it works out. It definitely needs done right and it's a shame that homeowners have got to always be around to supervise certain things. It will work out...you have the insight to see it through.
I’m a CFO for a metal building company. We don’t make many mistakes like this, but when and if we did, we would have resent the roof girders and paid for someone to replace them. We make sure every customer is 100% satisfied. Our trusses are angel and rod, and our buildings have withstood tornadoes.
What company? And do you have installers in Florida?
This is one of the main reasons I’m extremely picky with whom I sell buildings for.
If a manufacturer doesn’t allow me to visit their shop and verify all the material is being produced correctly as well as go out to a few installs with some of the crews… it’s a no go for me (as a dealer) I choose to work with people whom take pride in their work and material.
Do you think many dealers have your standards?
Dude, I am a GC and everything on the building should match up with the plans that you signed off on as part of the contract. Your signature should be on not only the contract but also the plans which make the plan drawings part of the contract. There should also be wet stamped engineering included with the plans that are kept on-site for the inspector to reference. All of the truss designs, screw type and size, spacing, etc. should all match up with the engineering. Anything that varies from that but does not effect the engineering should have a change order signed by you. Otherwise, they should take it down and let you out of the contract.
Dude it's a pre fab steel building 🤣🤣. Aren't any architectural plans👍
Your right Mike, but it seems a lot of back road counties'' don't care. Coming from Silicon Valley i was surprised how different things are in rural areas.
@@1986subway Sorry but yes........the plans have to be approve my the building department of the town/city. Even Pre-Fab building have architectural drawing that come with the building. If the building is inspected the plans and finish products MUST match.........
@@robertmccully2792 Yeah I build Pools in AZ and we cant even poop without an engineers stamp and an inspection! LOL
I couldn’t agree more. That is why I always worked for a commercial GC. I started as a Super ended as a project manager. The residential stuff is usually a cluster if the three parties are not on the same page. The township need to be involved, code is code. The township must have plans that were submitted for permits.
it is a garage, not the house. but i see your point. for the good money you spent, it should be right, and they should send out a rep, to go over the contract and blueprint with you. its gotta be right, or the inspector from the county wont sign off on it. you did the right thing.
100% correct! Make it right!!!
Thank you
As far as the metal seams go, you are supposed to put the metal on with the shadow facing away from the front view. That reduces the complaints. Just like with vinyl siding. I can see his picky point.
Definitely installed metal in wrong way also the laps are supposed to be away from prevailing winds in your area
Very good video and interesting. I’m looking into buying a 60’ x 60’ building and yeah they’re expensive. Where I live we have a heavy snow load, the lack of proper trusses would not work whatsoever. 100% in the right make them take it down or build it right
Just go red iron. They’ll make sure the snow load is right for your area. I promise these carport company’s dont look at anything like that
You did the right thing ,lots of folks would not catch that .
Thank you
No it’s not just you I totally agree with your thoughts regarding building
I would force them to honor the term of the contract, or I would see them in court. What they supplied was not what you have probably paid for already (although I hope that you have not finished paying for that yet). Request a building inspection so that you have a record of that structure failing inspection. You should probably check what gauge metal they used for the poles and trusses, as well as for the roofing and vertical siding as well. Another way that less scrupulous builders can cut corners/costs. I would never accept less material than what I paid for.
Thanks for the support man. We actually came to an agreement and got it fixed. Thanks for watching
The metal has been installed backwards. That edge you see is suppose to be behind. Another wards they started the metal sheet from the wrong direction.
You should get what you paid for! Too may people settle for less than the items and quality we pay for. You did the right thing....You Are Fired!
You are 100% correct to make it an issue. It should be built to the plans.
I completely feel for ya. Im a wick dealer and install post frame buildings. 1. That ripple on the edge of the tin shouldnt be there. 2 What we try to do is face that overlap away from prevailing winds or from the common entrance. 3. as i was watching the vid, and saw those trusses, i was like "cheesy"! Hope you get it worked out.
I saw then trusses as was like, there is no way that is enough support for a snow load, if the roof is bending under the weight of the installer, it's fucked.
For the Trusses, it depends on the snow load for your area, on the one hand, you gain height but lose load capacity. Regardless any changes in the specs need to be rectified or negotiated. The panels are a cosmetic concern.
I’ve install carports and red iron buildings my whole life, in carports with this type of tubing, they didn’t look at snow load or anything for the area unlike red iron it does depend on area.
I live In Montana and that building would either blow over or collapse from snow.
@@travishanks7295 I thought that too, i live in Nebraska and have seen 80 mph winds blow buildings over.
@@1965ace I live in Livingston Mt and it gets 80 all the time. They make u hurricane stap anything in a tornado zone. We barely get em but on a plain you can see some hellatious steady winds. I've been to alliance in the winter I know you know about snow and wind as well
i have metal building 24x50ft and i got miner problems.but i dont worry about it i just enjoy my space .have them to support the roof and enjoy
You are right, in asking to them to correct all the issues because you are paying for it and they send you plans that differ with the actual building. The building as it is inspection
They should have provided the structural detail for the permit just like a truss contractor does for a wood structure.
They could ask for MTR or Engineer structural signature.
At the start I thought all steel trusses looked a bit flemsey under size for span?? You were correct to stop it.. if you are in snow country or ice , it would not support the weight 😮
Thanks luckily we have no snow load here
Great content. Thanks for the upload. Anyone putting up a new building, BUILD BIG, and then go from there. 40×60 is tiny when you get it done. 12 foot ceilings at least. 12 feet wide doors at least. The bigger the better. No questions. Build as big as you possibly can. Have I told you how important it is to build as large of building as you can.? It's really not a joke. Thanks
I happy you like it, thanks for watching. Go big or go home
I needed to see this, I will know some things to look for now.
Thank you I’m glad it can help
So the first big storm it’s going to come down? Leak? Collapsed roof? Tell them to take it down , take them to court before they do you for holding back the balance , you need to go after them before that party tent collapses . That doesn’t look that structurally sound that thing was swaying when they were supposedly putting up the trusses and beams which are supposed to be the strongest
Thanks for watching and the advice!
It may fail, but only because he did not let them finish their job... and if it does it will not be their fault... he will regret not letting them finish the job is not like they are going to give him back his deposit or he had to pay them when they were done if he was unsatisfied. Good luck getting them back now to put up that final wall and all the overhead doors.
Wrong it isn't built right.@@ericfraser7543
No, you're NOT crazy. I'd have required full, detailed. plans. Barring that, the truss issue is a HUGE no-go, as is the fact they advertised a sealed building but are building one that's not sealed.
I built a 30x40x10. The building was great and installed in one day with 3 guys. Included two roll up and walk door. All trimmed out. Cost was $15K installed.
That’s an awesome price. Sound like you had a great experience.
So glad I watched then checked the trusses being installed on my building right now
Glad it helped
In my over fourth five years in construction I have put up commercial metal buildings with a company I worked for up here in the northeast we call them"twenty year tin cans",hard to heat and cool and shallow pitches on roofs. Not good for the snow loads up here. And by the time you finish off the inside you might just as well gone with a stick built structure.
9:03 - 16 feet vs. 6 feet is inexcusable. You are not crazy. Seriously, that is a HUGE issue in terms of structural integrity. You *must* take the load to the walls. That is simply ridiculous.
I know it I think we got it worked out!
There is corner bracing tying in the walls. This is very typical construction for a building this size and made from steel:
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What's in the plan must be delivered, period. Structural integrity is vital.
I am in the 3xact same boat as you are , or were. I have to agree with Jerry Bryant's comment. I did find the cheapest quality garage I could find and it looks exactly like yours. I guess I am not expecting that kind of perfection
Thank you yes sir more research was needed but I’m making it work
I don't think the siding is a big deal. The horizontal truss going from 16 foot to 6 is a big deal.
Exactly if you have plans that this is how the building was supposed to be built manufactured manufactured whatever you want to call it then it's not what you bought it's not what you paid for absolutely have to fix it or or take it away
The siding looks terrible. I would complain too.
Time and a heavy snow and ice over time will make the seams open up.. screw them have it removed .
The amount of these cheap buildings I see being put up is amazing. What’s even more amazing is the things are still standing considering the amount of snow we get. I was recently up close and personal to one and it amazed me how the installers couldn’t run a straight screw line and on one section the ran out of red screws so they used the white trim screws 😂. IMO they’re a big waste of money.
I’ve installed both red iron and carports, they’re really good uses for carports and they can be made well with the right crew and company.
Always go over the contract and the parts and pieces of the building being bought highlight the important parts ask what's part of the contract what's not tell them what your expecting wanting so no bull comes up later always have the boss sign off on it so there's no that's not in the contract bull
You did the right thing. The truss deflection is a fail.
Yes sir thank you
The shed must come with a certified engineering plan. I agree the roof for that size and span does look flimsy and no cross bracing it will twist as well.I agree with a prior comment cheap usually means nasty as well
I would give them 48 hours to either come and correct the problem or remove the whole building and then compensate you for your loss if they don’t respond file a claim against them in your local court in common law
Nope the deeper they get into it an fail, that harder it is to pull the plug
No you are right don't know what will happen but stand your ground u and that woman that was mowing that grass deserves better 💯
Thanks buddy I appreciate the support
Thanks for sharing this. I was looking at these buildings to have on my property
Your Right about the building spec's and drawings. Finish would be a big issue with me.
However the builder should have reviewed the drawings with the materials delivered and not started building if the materials don't match the plans. Bad on the builder.
Never prepay. Give draws as work is completed.
All of your concerns are legitimate. They should supply what was sold the way it was sold. Especially if it is integrity related.
Exactly thank you!
I’ve had many buildings built all red iron with commercial grade tin on the out side. Not cheap but never disappointed. You can’t make a saddle out of a sows ear.
The wavy sidings thing would not bother me unless they structurally affect the building somehow. The cheapo toy trusses are a deal breaker.
That’s nitpicking. The roof needs to be reinforced for sure.
The wavy thing could have been facing away from the entrance but that’s neither here nor there
You will always be dissatisfied with this building, it has to go. You always start your metal siding at the far end, then you won't see the seems. They also may have installed the "under" lap on the top.
I agree you will never be 100%happy there will always be that bad blood . Try what you can but remember lawyers can help
@4:15 one guy standing on a 10' ladder lifts and places a 40' cross bar on the roof. Geez, that looks so cheap and lightweight. I learned a lot from this video and the follow ups. It's much appreciated.
Contracts were designed to protect customers and business owners. You know what you need to do is contact better business bureau. I am surprised that the city has not shut them down. This can't be the first time the erectors have done this.
I feel your pain, I had a shed built:- the slab had leaves in the finished surface, it was not flat, it was neither smooth or consistently rough. They drilled holes in slab in the wrong spot, they put a rafter set in backwards which collided with the roller door which they had to remove and put back the right way around. They dropped screws all over my yard, the rafters do not line up with the next one in line, the roof screws are not in a straight line. The facia trim is dented as are some of the wall sheets. The wall studs had missing screws at the joints. There were dirty marks on the insulation. The slab boxing blew out in the doorway and was not corrected.
Brother, you must have the patience of Job, because I would have went Hulkamania all over that entire crew. Really appreciate you sharing this poor workmanship, and helps everyone watching what to look for, especially those of us, who are looking to invest in such structures. Hope this all works out for the best. God bless you and your family.
Thank you.
You are the customer and you are right. They should give you what you pay for.
You are absolutely right for wanting what you payed for. Best of luck to ya!
If the sales rep wants to tout the contract, then ask him where your trusses are. Also, that metal edge is absolute garbage. You were right to stop them.
Hey guys thanks for all the help and support. Finally got the garage doors installed. Excited to see what you guys think about them ruclips.net/video/nk8uxpeMa20/видео.html
Looks like you won't have building after the first storm.
The riples yes problenm. With jusr the right wind and rain water can sneak behind the panels. The 3/8 sag on roof there is plenty of slope live with it.
I've been in construction for many years. I watched your video. Noticed several moves that were not very safe and unprofessional. No scaffolding etc. Also looks like a cheap building. Send it back.
Shoulda called cleary buildings
I had a simular issue with Carport Central who's installation crew was ran by a company called RAM. I had to fire them as well. I got stuck with a crappy 26x36x12 carport with wavy walls.
That's great you caught all that.
Thanks for sharing! First you have a drawing of the building frame work, that is like a contract. People can lie over the phone but when they write (drawing) it down and it’s signed it’s a contract. There is a ledger in the corner giving sizes of everything steel thicknesses, type of steel, bolt sizes and grade. Everything matters, you maybe OCD but this is normal people not right.
When I saw your trusses, my first thought was that those aren't trusses.
They wouldn't stand up to snow load.
So as a pole bard builder the sheets should’ve just been ran the other way and you wouldn’t of had that issue this metal is supposed to be used for little car ports I’ve never seen it used for entire buildings and they use different metal on those structures
Well those little carport company’s now offer 60 wides full inclosed with the same material they built those little caports with and have been doing so for years.
We just got our 24x50 metal building installed. It's great to have the space now.
Just had a very poorly welded building go down in Port Charlotte FL. Came apart as Ian had its way. The truss down tube to the stud connection was a cold weld. came apart like a house of cards. House ok, shed wood built also ok, 1.5-year-old building. Scrap!
That's no good sorry you lost your building> thanks for the heads up ill defiantly be doing some reinforcements this winter
I can home to find the wrong siding on my house. The "Installers" said that's what the contractor gave them. We refused finial payment until what was agreed in the contract was satisfied. It got ugly. They took the siding off one day, unannounced and left. Because each said it was the others fault, we sued them all for the work, to repair what was damaged and the delay. We went with a much better company with better siding. The other company we don't see around anymore. They were restricted from doing any further work in our area as a result of their actions So get a security cam and document!!!.
If you noticed the design difference I'd have stopped work at the 4:15 mark in your video. Caused a bigger headache not stopping them in their tracks. Hopefully you signed engineer stamp 👍 not just scope of work.
I’m not sure of the costs involved whether this is more or less expensive than something like a Morton Building, or that type of structure, but if I paid for something and got what you got I would have fired them too. The Truss bracing issue is a major concern and would become a disaster with a bunch of snow piled up on it. The 16 foot cross members should be a minimum design requirement and the 6 foot ones installed in those trusses are nothing less than a big joke for that industry. How could they possibly think you wouldn’t notice the difference. The vertical seams don’t look that bad in the video but they probably show up more in person. If I were you I would get some pictures of what they showed you for sale and what you ended up with so if it comes to a legal battle you have that information to back up your very valid concerns on the appearance. I would also wonder how well those seams are sealed with the wavy seams.
The owner is completely in the right with his issues. Stand your ground and make them correct all of the concerns. As it was said on here, take pictures of all the errors and keep notes with the pictures. You might also ask a building inspector to stop over and write up a report of the violations. This will help the owner if they refuse to correct and the owner gets into litigation.
I know…I’ve been there before. I had a framing company that started on my house and clearly didn’t know what they were doing. They made so many code violations such as cutting a roof truss that I had to fire them. I decided to only pay them the balance of what it took to finish out the house. Basically it took $20,000 to correct all the framing problems and therefore their income on the job was net of the $20,000. Well, they weren’t happy and sued me for it. We got into depositions prior to trial and I pulled out my notes and 144 photos of all the errors. After two hours of deposition, we took a break and the framing company excepted my offer as is. They knew I had all the facts and the photos to back up my side of the story. I wish the owner luck and hope this building works out for him in the long run.
100% agree with you. Get what you paid for.
I would've been bothered too. We need to keep each other accountable.
Ah! I totally get it. I am a particular contractor (a top-drawer builder & finisher) and man it is tough finding people who a) know what they are doing b) actually take pride in their work.
The worst part of it all is that you trust 'them' to do a qualified job and leave them alone to do it but when you complain or point out the glaring and often stupid errors, those trades somehow blame you for the mistakes made stating you should have said something or why did you not instruct us on how you want it. Another ridiculous thing that happens is those outside the project might even while agreeing the work is shoddy tell you that its your fault for allowing it to happen and that 'you' shouldn't point fingers. $%&# I am still coming to terms with trying to way lower my expectations with trades to 'oh its good enough', now pay me. Makes me pissed off just saying those words, F$%&#ers
Yes totally agree. Thanks for the support
Unfortunately my experience has been that most tradesmen know the rules well enough to be legal but also where they can cut corners to get to the next job as soon as possible.
I pondered what feedback wouldn't be biased - I build a different sort of building. Then I saw another You Tube video of someone proudly insulating an identical building (one with the small cross member on the truss).
Here's the deal. The wrinkles on the overlap are probably freight damage, but the visibility of the overlaps even with good edges are typical (that is to say they hide in perfect conditions but there will always be some that show). If the the visibility of that bothers you; buy some other type of siding.
As for the sagging trusses and visible gaps; that is what those cheapy framed buildings are like - oops my bias slipped through. Workmanship is a factor, but I guarantee, that crew when home absolutely frustrated, because they were praised by their last 10 customers for virtually the same product. I'm not saying you shouldn't get what you want; but this is mostly a case of getting sucked in by a low price.
I'll give you a comparison from the other side of the fence, the perspective of the company. When I worked for a pickup truck camper shell manufacturer; the complaints almost invariably came from the customers that bought the cheapest camper in the catalog. The cheap ones and the deluxe models were built by the same people = virtually the same workmanship.
Thank you for your input and support. I grew up on commercial buildings doing roofing. I’ve been around hundreds of metal buildings. This was the first rippled overlap edge I’d ever seen. Also my step dad manufactures metal building on a larger scale. His first comment from 20’ away was there panel form roller was completely worn out or way out of adjustment. He said those edges would never leave his factory nor his customers would ever take it. Also the trusses that were sold via our contract had 16’ welded lower cross brace per code because it was over a 24’ span. These installed were 8’ span lower welded brace. If I was on the other side your side I’m
Assuming I don’t know what I would do honestly, because I wouldn’t flat out lie to my customers about what I’m selling or half ass my work. I would go home knowing I was straight forward, honest and did a whole ass job.
@@ProjectDadLife If you have so much experience around metal buildings then why would you buy a structure from a company that does not even update their website or have any reputable reviews? I'm sorry that you did not receive what was in your contract but it is hard to feel too much sympathy when you bought on a budget and you did not even check that what you received was correct until it was already installed
I think this is a classic example of you pay for what you get....With that said I'm wishing you all the best and I feel like you will still get a shop that fits your needs and you find beautiful
Thank you. I was referring to just the finished metal exterior. Overlap edges, closures, screws, straight panels etc. commercial frame structures are completely different than these residential ones. My knowledge is just looking at the exterior sheeting which is pretty much the same between the two. That said I called and spoke with every company around for these residential style buildings. They all use the same specs and offer the same structure. I’m pretty sure they all buy from the same couple factory’s in North Carolina. I acutely don’t personal know anyone that has purchased one either so it was defiantly a shot in the dark. I do think it’s gonna work out for what I need though. Luckily where I’m at there’s no snow load really it’s extremely rare. Thanks for the input
You are not wrong.
The 'Pass Inspection' clause will help you, but so would 'to the customers satisfaction'.
You sound like you might live somewhere with tornadoes or hurricanes. Which makes this a bigger safety issue.
You are correct.
Thank you.
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Thanks man
The tin is the manufacturer's fault. The trusses and tube steel? You get what you pay for. You found the cheapest building and bought it.
The constitution workers 👍. Good job fella's 👍👍double thumbs up. I wish all fella's worked that heard.
You got rid of the wrong thing. Buy a better building and higher them fella's to build it. Them ole boys are go getters!
I put up buildings for a couple years. Hard to find worker's like that. We had to shut down because couldn't find worker's like that!
You are absolutely right doing what you did. I could see the bow in the rafter.
Thanks for the support