"Rust" is maybe the most solid rock/metal album ever. Any song gives you the same feeling that you describes on your comment. It's almost perfect in terms of tempo, good mixing, recording and balance between the tracks.
I've never, EVER heard a song in which the drums and bass are so connected to each other. That IS a rhythm section, through and through. They play as one. Sooooooooooooo tight.
For anyone wondering, getting these tracks are achieved by going into the files of a game called Guitar Hero and taking out the isolated drum track and taking out the isolated bass track.
Always been a big fan of Ellefson. I just wish metal bands would allow the bass to be more audible on their albums (few do, Maiden being the most obvious).
Ryan Sylverne You know the most under rated bass in metal (other than Elefson probably)? Alex from Cannibal Corpse. Brilliant bass in that band, he plays death metal with his fingers.
Max Durk If you listen to death metal other than CC you'll realise how many bassists play death metal with their fingers, and Alex Webster is one of the most "decorated". Take Ross Dolan from Immolation as an example for an uderrated bassist in death metal.
Menza plays this like a machine... with a heart. It's crazy how tight his playing from 4:57 is. It's so even it sounds almost like it was quantised but of course it was 20 years too early for that.
What I like about the Rust In Peace album, that is all the instruments have properly equalized and pretty "dry" sound, if that is a correct word to explain it. For example, the bass has mostly highs and it helps it to cut through the mix, but the tone is still rich.
And some people had the nerve to say that Burton was the only bass god. Ellefson's groove is just out of this world :) Right in the pocket and staying there :)
@@Yismeicha I agree, Ellefson did so much more than Cliff. Even while they both were alive. Another overlooked bass player is Markus Grosskopf from Helloween. That dude also lays down sick stuff even while both guitars are doing solos. Check out Ride the Sky from their debut album!
David is a great bass player and a better guy, i knew him in a small show of a parallel project and is a very normal guy, very humble, even his world fame. It makes him bigger...
Ellefson was there the whole time and Deth wouldnt have been what they they were without him and his VERY TALENTED playing and big D Dave just threw him under the bus like he wasnt friends with the man for over 30 years. He should have stuck by his friend and the fans would have loved him for it. Much more than this shit talking thats going on now. And to rub salt in the wound he is saying he is not a founding member because he wasnt on the bus ride that hes been whining about for more than half his life. F**K that. he is a founding member and a huge asset to their sound and development. Im a fan and have become numb to Big D,s big mouth but man, stand by your friend in his time of need. Even from a business standpoint it would have made sense to support him because the fans want him in the band and again, not this shit talking back and forth crap. Im done ranting now.
Its difficult to hear ghost notes on the record, because the guitars and bass are so heavy (speaking about the remastered; why would you listen to anything else?) so I never noticed all the ones Nick plays on this record. I always thought he added the Holy Wars snare hits live.
should've just stuck the solo at 2:17 and played out the rest. that middle part is like a completely different (worse) song. Up to 2:17 and after 4:39 is pure gold though
The fast parts just shine because of the breakdown in the middle. If the song was as you suggest, surely it won't be as great as it is. In music, you create tension and relief to intensify. For example, in music theory, on E minor, you can resolve on E minor from its v minor, but if you do use the dominant V7, the tension and the resolution it's intensified. As well in terror movies, when the silence is preparing for the scary scene along the creepy sound.
The drums sound awful. I love this album, I grew up to it but I've always thought that the drum sound was lacking. Now that I hear them isolated with the bass track, I know that I wasn't just hearing things. The playing is good but the drum sound is horrible. It's flat, no resonance, no musicality, NO BALLS, and the snare sounds like he's flicking a piece of tin foil with his finger. It almost sounds like the drums were recorded with overheads only. Just my opinion though. Menza did a great job on Rust in Peace but very poor sounding drums.
TurtleTortuga I realize that but even on the original, Menza's drums sound brutal. I don't know if it's his tuning techniques or the drum room or the engineering or whatever, the fact is that his toms and especially his snare have no brightness, no resonance, no throat, no musicality. It's fairly simple to make a kick sound good but good sounding toms and snare are usually due to good tuning and a good ear.
Agreed. most of the time it's not the drummer's choice to dampen heads, it's the engineer. That points to a poor engineer with poor mic placement. Resonance makes a drum (tom, floor tom or snare, not too much on a snare though) sound much fuller, brighter and musical. The majority of the resonance gets buried in the other tracks and instruments which is why it's so important. Without resonance, the drum already sounds flat and dead and when you try to mix that flat drum with other instruments, an already flat drum sounds much worse, almost eliminating it's tonal quality altogether. Nick was endorsing Aquarian Heads back then and I know that he was using the performance II clear heads with the power dot on his toms which already muffle the drums quite a bit. Could be a combination of poor engineering and poor choices in drum heads. Drummers should always go with a single ply clear batter head for toms or if they choose a 2 ply clear head, both ply's should be light to medium in weight. A single ply coated head can sound incredible as well.
the part that goes from 0:00-6:33 is awesome
eargasm
wow that's my favorite part too
2 years have gone, still my fav part.
0:06 to 6:33
Earpregnant
Ellefson doesn't get enough credit. This track is pure gold. He is absolutely solid with the drums.
+ThatGuyBen99 Ummmmmmmmmmmm... by that you mean he plays well with the drums right?
Keith Gunshot Yes. I'm very aware the Ellefson is the bassist, haha.
Okay okay hahaha sorry bout that
"Rust" is maybe the most solid rock/metal album ever. Any song gives you the same feeling that you describes on your comment.
It's almost perfect in terms of tempo, good mixing, recording and balance between the tracks.
I've never, EVER heard a song in which the drums and bass are so connected to each other. That IS a rhythm section, through and through. They play as one. Sooooooooooooo tight.
Jason Newsted played like this all the time
@@nairamdiam Yeah, only he didn't play stuff like this xD
@@TheodoreWrathchild such a shit he was, wasn’t he? He deserves hell for that
He mutes at the perfect time to let the vocals ring out. This is ... genius.
This track should be studied in schools of music
It actually is.
It is
"How to groove"
For anyone wondering, getting these tracks are achieved by going into the files of a game called Guitar Hero and taking out the isolated drum track and taking out the isolated bass track.
thanks for your info!
Thanks for the info!
4:57 that solid bass slide gives me goosebumps
This song wouldn't be half as amazing as it is without those sick drums. Best drum track I've ever heard.
Always been a big fan of Ellefson. I just wish metal bands would allow the bass to be more audible on their albums (few do, Maiden being the most obvious).
Ryan Sylverne Yes isn't metal, but their bass is more audible than the guitar!
Christian McGuire I am a huge fan of Chris Squire, very saddened by his passing. Yes, Yes does have great bass playing and also wonderful tone.
Ryan Sylverne You know the most under rated bass in metal (other than Elefson probably)? Alex from Cannibal Corpse. Brilliant bass in that band, he plays death metal with his fingers.
***** I'm not much of a Pantera fan. Myung (Dream Theater) is phenomenal but much of his work is buried under the guitars.
Max Durk If you listen to death metal other than CC you'll realise how many bassists play death metal with their fingers, and Alex Webster is one of the most "decorated". Take Ross Dolan from Immolation as an example for an uderrated bassist in death metal.
Menza plays this like a machine... with a heart. It's crazy how tight his playing from 4:57 is. It's so even it sounds almost like it was quantised but of course it was 20 years too early for that.
sexiest bass line ever? i think so, yes
This is a incredible bass line
What I like about the Rust In Peace album, that is all the instruments have properly equalized and pretty "dry" sound, if that is a correct word to explain it. For example, the bass has mostly highs and it helps it to cut through the mix, but the tone is still rich.
Rest in peace Nick!
And Dave!
@@dima.jiharev Dave isn't dead yet
@@Samford_ his career at the band is
@@ConanObrien22 think he meant mustaine
@@Samford_ he 100% meant mustaine.
Definitely my favorite Megadeth album and lineup.
1 of the best bass players i have ever heard.
Half speed sounds funky as hell
Lol yeah and 1.25 sounds jaunty haha
I keep coming back to this video.....
Dave Ellefson is kinda the man, right?
>is as good as Cliff and Steve Harris
>has the patience to deal with Mustaine
He is
And some people had the nerve to say that Burton was the only bass god. Ellefson's groove is just out of this world :) Right in the pocket and staying there :)
11DNA11 steve harris ring a tone?
11DNA11 You wan't groove? Try Chris Squire!
ÁUß Code we are talking about metal genius
I would venture to say that Ellefson is better than Burton (not to take away from Burton mind you)
@@Yismeicha I agree, Ellefson did so much more than Cliff. Even while they both were alive.
Another overlooked bass player is Markus Grosskopf from Helloween. That dude also lays down sick stuff even while both guitars are doing solos. Check out Ride the Sky from their debut album!
Tight. Real tight.
David is a great bass player and a better guy, i knew him in a small show of a parallel project and is a very normal guy, very humble, even his world fame. It makes him bigger...
Sounds like they add a snare sample on certain hits. I cann hear it in the left side occasionally
best guitar backing track for this song on youtube... thanks a lot for this!!!
for me the part from 1:27 to 2:15 is the quintessence of thrash metal rhythm. am not speaking only of bass and drums but the part in whole
Love it
now I can really hear how bad my guitar playing is
Thank you for posting this up!!!
Killer groove
best rythm section ever....
Why is this so good
Pedrada demais!
It's amazing when the bass takes the lead
The sound is like an animal, almost alive. Or is it? .it will rip you to shreds
Damn this is groovey as fuck
Really great to practice.
honestly the bass didnt sound so complex with the guitar plaing as well but i listen to it now its sounds more complex then i realize ^.^'
just reminding you this exists after 8 years C:
@@lefterisdask1736 lmao
thas why i love nick menza
Kirk Hammett is doing a remarkable job on the keyboards in this one
Two Daves, One Band
Magnificent.
Still headbanging 🤘🤘
Now Ellefson and his talent will be fired from Megadeth
Ellefson was there the whole time and Deth wouldnt have been what they they were without him and his VERY TALENTED playing and big D Dave just threw him under the bus like he wasnt friends with the man for over 30 years. He should have stuck by his friend and the fans would have loved him for it. Much more than this shit talking thats going on now. And to rub salt in the wound he is saying he is not a founding member because he wasnt on the bus ride that hes been whining about for more than half his life. F**K that. he is a founding member and a huge asset to their sound and development. Im a fan and have become numb to Big D,s big mouth but man, stand by your friend in his time of need. Even from a business standpoint it would have made sense to support him because the fans want him in the band and again, not this shit talking back and forth crap. Im done ranting now.
thats pretty awesome :P. ill admit, i was imagining the guitar and vocal pieces with it. but this is pretty awesome :P
then just listen to the original?...
Who else is playing the guitar in their heads?
R.I.P Nick Menza. Him and Ellefson are so fucking good on this. The bass chord played right after "Fools like me" is inspired and typical of Ellefson.
Nice, masterpiece lml
damn, how are you isolating these tracks? freakin' awesome
Getting calicoes in my brain
@LibertyCityMayhem95 Super And completly fully AGREE!
Buenazooo
Outstanding! - could anyone do this HQ????
tOTAL awesome !!!
Dave Ellefson ...VERY cool !
Hmmm... Tastes a little like a Jazz
great...asome
Killer ... !!
Man didn't realize the drums got really fast after the solo!!
Ellefson got lost completely under Mustaine's shadow!
Hell no. They complement eachother great in everything they do.
@@11DNA11 I agree, the bass is very present in the album in general
Epic
JIZZ IN MY EARS
I was hoping for a dnb remix lol, still fun though
MUITO BOM
3:23
3:38
3:22
lol he does the thing
Its difficult to hear ghost notes on the record, because the guitars and bass are so heavy (speaking about the remastered; why would you listen to anything else?) so I never noticed all the ones Nick plays on this record. I always thought he added the Holy Wars snare hits live.
The remaster ruins is for me. I listen to the original
should've just stuck the solo at 2:17 and played out the rest. that middle part is like a completely different (worse) song. Up to 2:17 and after 4:39 is pure gold though
The fast parts just shine because of the breakdown in the middle. If the song was as you suggest, surely it won't be as great as it is. In music, you create tension and relief to intensify. For example, in music theory, on E minor, you can resolve on E minor from its v minor, but if you do use the dominant V7, the tension and the resolution it's intensified. As well in terror movies, when the silence is preparing for the scary scene along the creepy sound.
:D
Sounds like Drum and Bass (genre)
The drums sound awful. I love this album, I grew up to it but I've always thought that the drum sound was lacking. Now that I hear them isolated with the bass track, I know that I wasn't just hearing things. The playing is good but the drum sound is horrible. It's flat, no resonance, no musicality, NO BALLS, and the snare sounds like he's flicking a piece of tin foil with his finger. It almost sounds like the drums were recorded with overheads only. Just my opinion though. Menza did a great job on Rust in Peace but very poor sounding drums.
Still better than st. Anger, right
+Fretta Mohetta It's because the Guitar Hero version is much lower sound quality than the actual original tracks.
TurtleTortuga I realize that but even on the original, Menza's drums sound brutal. I don't know if it's his tuning techniques or the drum room or the engineering or whatever, the fact is that his toms and especially his snare have no brightness, no resonance, no throat, no musicality. It's fairly simple to make a kick sound good but good sounding toms and snare are usually due to good tuning and a good ear.
Fretta Mohetta I know what you mean, and I think he just muffled the living fuck out of them.
Agreed. most of the time it's not the drummer's choice to dampen heads, it's the engineer. That points to a poor engineer with poor mic placement.
Resonance makes a drum (tom, floor tom or snare, not too much on a snare though) sound much fuller, brighter and musical. The majority of the resonance gets buried in the other tracks and instruments which is why it's so important. Without resonance, the drum already sounds flat and dead and when you try to mix that flat drum with other instruments, an already flat drum sounds much worse, almost eliminating it's tonal quality altogether.
Nick was endorsing Aquarian Heads back then and I know that he was using the performance II clear heads with the power dot on his toms which already muffle the drums quite a bit. Could be a combination of poor engineering and poor choices in drum heads.
Drummers should always go with a single ply clear batter head for toms or if they choose a 2 ply clear head, both ply's should be light to medium in weight. A single ply coated head can sound incredible as well.
This is great even without Dave !!!~ ... Looks like they never needed him all along, Lol.
Peter Popoff Dave wrote the song.
You're an idiot, this song wouldn't have existed without Dave.
The snare drum panning is so weird. The original masters of these albums is so amateur.
This Bass and Drum track was taken from the files on Guitar Hero which is the remastered version of Holy Wars
Omg last week i've been listening to Metallica only and...
THESE DRUMS SOUNDS SO POOR!
Low quality bait.
0:03
0:06