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This is a great review video packed with loads of genuine thoughts and some good fishing action, too. I find that a lot of RUclipsrs just parrot ideas from other videos, often full of bias and irrelevance. This was a refreshing exception to watch. 👏👏👏
In a sea of reviews, where people focus on repeating what's in the marketing materials, this really sounds like genuine using experience coming from someone who actually had and probably has a few high-end reels. Thanks a lot for the review. I would recommend trying out the new Twin Power, which also has Dura Drag. One thing - Vanquish is not a JDM range reel. They are pretty common in Europe and can be bought in any shop that carries high-end Shimano models.
Awesome review bro! Ive been looking at the vanquish for quite sometime now but kinda dont want to pull the trigger since shimano service center here in the state dont service those jdm reels. I own 3 of shimano stella 5000fk's since it first came out 2022. Super smooth, and best drag system out there. I baught 3 for me and for my 2 brothers. We fished 3- 5 a times for a week on the surf and alternating my arsenals from the twin power FD, XD, SW to stella fk and SW's, van staals and my saltigas. From all the reels i mentioned. I only had a problem with the daiwa saltiga from sand getting inside the gears and my 2 fk's went in for serviced twice already in almost 2 years of used for bail rotor breaking and griness from the sand. And i take good care of my reels, i rinse them after of used. I think the fk's arent meant for abused since externals gears starting to fail after couple of months of used. I just ordered 2 more of the stella sw since its proven to be last really long time without having a problem.
Subscribed after watching this vedio, some in-depth thoughts with no bias for sure, I’m in the same position thinking between the Stella, vanquish and exist, and my main considerations are pricing, weights, water resistance as I’m matching it with my Piratez strikes (very light rod) for some mid to large species saltwater species such as pink snapper and Samson’s fish in Western Australia. Long story short, this video has pointed out exactly what I was concerned with the daiwa issue, and Stella is the pricing that I feel reluctantly buying for. Definitely going for the Vanquish 5000, thanks a lot and look forwards to more vedios coming from your channel
Thank you!! I think the Twin Power should also be on your list if you're fishing heavy drag on small reels, but I'm fully confident the Vanquish should handle it just fine.
Yes the twin power is definitely on my list for sure, do you think twin power drage is slightly more capable of handling big fish? it’s cheaper too, however it’s about 50g heavier than the vanquish, I personally like the look of the 23 vanquish more than the 24 twin power too, Functionality wise at this stage I feel like both reels can handle good fish at the similar high level, after weighing it out I think I would go for the lighter but more expensive option which is the vanquish since it’s a reel I never owned before unless its drag and gear system not as good as the twin power, as a enthusiastic fisherman I am honestly more excited about getting the vanquish tho.
@@maniyhy9451 My vanquish has handled everything I threw at it fine, but it's primarily a finesse freshwater/saltwater reel for fish between 2-6lbs. I generally use 5 to 12lb fluoro leaders just to give you a sense of the type of fishing I'm doing. If I were targeting fish over 10lbs that run hard regularly on 2500 - 3000 sized reels, I would probably opt for the Twin Power or Stella. The heavier/stiffer rotor does play a role in keeping everything aligned during hard runs. If that's only an occasional occurrence for you like it is for me, then the Vanquish would suit you well.
I have used my Daiwa 19 Certate in the surf for the last three years with zero issues so far. Never has it been serviced, either. I just got the 2024 Certate. Hopefully, this one will be jusy as durable.
Great videos I had some Stella reels switched to the 2019 3000xg vanquish and I fish kayak inshore saltwater since 2019 never had to service it just a little Shimano oil it and believe me it gets wet and I dunked it once by accident just rinse in freshwater This reel is in like new condition reels like day one I want to get another one soon it’s worth h ever dime Any one interested in a vanquish get one it’s super tough and very light weight
The best review I've seen so far. I had similar feelings right after buying the Vanquish, but as soon as I caught the first asp, I changed my mind. Now I'm eagerly awaiting the delivery of the new Twin Power. I didn't go for the Stella, as it seems to me that the Twin Power can handle the job. Nevertheless, I'm still tempted to get the Stella and the new Certate - but I need to get a reel to pair with my ultra ligth rod so it seems that I will end up with another vanquish but smaller size
I've had the 22 Stella and sold it to a friend who does more bass fishing. I have the 22 Exist LT and SF. Both are very smooth. I also aquired the new Certate as well. I just recently bought the Vanquish 1000SP model and love it for trout. I'm getting the new TwinPower FE 3000MHG for all bass, white bass, walleyes, and smaller stripers.
Shimano Stella tiene mejores materiales y su precio es alto mi opinión es que pagas por lujo y calidad, en cambio Vanquish tiene un costo más accesible y tiene buenos materiales ser liviano no significa que se comporte mal, Shimano Japón ha comentado que Vanquish es su mejor carrete de Spinning y en acción de pesca siempre será mejor. PD: mi carrete de pesca es un Vanquish 19' C5000HG ha resistido a Corvinas Chilenas 🇨🇱 de 12 a 15 kilos sin problemas y Platijas grandes jamás me ha decepcionado, su arrastre es suave y continuo no genera esos Pick de tensión. Saludos me gusta tu contenido es un trabajo serio y profesional. Un abrazo desde Chile 🇨🇱🙌🏻🎣
100% love the feel of the stella. i also use the vanquish more on lighter rod setups. i feel for some reason the shorter design of the certates and exist actually balances some rods a bit better. they are all insanely good reels for sure, can't go wrong. comes down to personal preferences at this point. btw the c2000s vanquish is very fun for UL setups
It would in terms of refinement, think of it as a lighter TP FE with the same level of build quality. But honestly the new Vanford is such a nice little reel I don't see much difference in functionality (though once you use the Vanquish the vanford is strictly backup duty lol)
What model vanquish do you have? I do mostly pier and bank fishing for pomps, flounder, sheeps, reds here in Texas using 10-15 lb line. Which vanquish model is a good fit?
@@abrahamjoseph6707 It depends on the rod you're using, but the 3000MHG is a good all around size - 4k body/gearing, 3k rotor/spool - will fit 7' freshwater rods as well as JDM seabass rods up to 9'6ML etc.
@CookingandFishing Those 2024 and honesty even 2019 certates are great reels for the money. Not too far away from a stella and are tough and very smooth. Best "bang for your buck" if $400 is considered that these days.
@@zveryok1 yes but they are freshwater-only reels as far as I'm concerned - I know some people who are happy with Certates/Exists in the salt but more (many more) who are not. Shame bc I'm a huge fan of the design, but mine no longer see the salt at all.
@CookingandFishing I've got one on a saltwater rod. Depends on how much salt and if you get splashes of water at you. From shore, if you're careful, you can use them. Definitely not for heavy duty surf stuff or anything close to it.
@@zveryok1 I'm pathologically careful with my gear and the magsealed reels still end up coffee grinders. I know people who abuse their gear and their Shimano Stradic/vanfords/vanquish/tp/stellas hold up fine. It's a neat concept on paper but magseal is the dumbest move Daiwa ever made.
Lol they do...but usually they make just one run parallel to the beach and you have to follow them not stand there watching 200ft of line strip out haha
Hello brother, excellent review of the premium models, both Shimano and Daiwa. I have a question if you can help me: I need to get a reel for the rod , new 2024 Palms Egeria EFNS 84 MH 5-28 g, for large rivers with a stronger current. Should I choose size 3000 or 4000? And is it a better and more long-lasting investment to go for the Shimano Stella or Vanquish?
I think you can go with either 3000 or 4000 for that rod, depending on what line capacity you need. Another option is the 3000MHG size - a 4000 rotor/gearing with 3000 spool/rotor. Long term the Stella or Twin Power will be more durable, at least on paper...but my Vanquish is going on year 3 with zero issues. I would let the weight of the reel and how it balances out that rod be the determining factor.
@@CookingandFishing Thanks, brother, I took the Stella FK 3000MHG based on your recommendation; it has excellent balance. I already own a Shimano Vanquish on my UL rod, Hearty Rise Rock'n Pro Force II 662 UL, and I'm very satisfied!
Hey @3:25 you can really hear the Stella when you’re reeling in. My Stella is also loud just like this too. I wonder why that is? It used to be very quiet. However the overall performance of my Stella has not changed, it has just gotten loud. I’ve had people clean my reel and inspect it and they have all said it looks great and nothing too concerning so I’m not sure why it’s so loud? What are your thoughts? Thanks 🙏
If the actual drag performance is good, I wouldn't worry too much about the acoustics. All that is is a little spring flicking against a clicker...you can remove it entirely and a silent drag system that performs just as well. Having said that, I do prefer the drag sound of the Stella over the Vanquish :)
@@CookingandFishing thank you for the reply. Sounds good 👍 I was debating on sending my reel into shimano to service too but maybe I’ll hold off a bit and save myself a couple bucks for now.
Bad line roller bearing. Always the first bearing to go especially on shimanos. You can confirm this by using a rubber band to spin the line roller back and forth while listening for noise.
Great review as always. I bought the Vanquish in 4000 size for my sea bass (striper in the US) fishing in the UK and it quickly became the reel I use most. A bit light for my 9'6ft rods but sits great on 9ft rod. Roger I just got the new Shimano 24 Twin Power c3000xg love it too. It would be interesting to see your review of it one day.
I can’t get over the heavy start up inertia of the twin power 24 compared to my 24 certate LT. I have a 1000 vanquish for trout UL Fishing. I might get a 4000 vanquish for my ML rod that was supposed to be for my twin power
@@thomaskong5 I on the other hand love the feel of robustness on my TP24, reeling a bigger fish it's a joy. This reel is truly superb. Sure the start up is not as light as on the Vanquish but neither is the Daiwa's you mentioned.
Great review, so much better than stupid unboxing videos. As the owner of a Vanquish and former owner of various high end Daiwa’s I couldn’t agree more with your observations. Daiwa mag sealed line rollers are terrible, oil migrates into the bearings and then the bearings become loud and raspy. I fixed mine by replacing and using the Luvias rubber seals in place of the mag seal, works fine and can service yourself. But Shimano high end reels are just better longer lasting reels in fresh and salt.
Great review!! Have 2 stellas and 100% agree on the new duracross drag, very noticeable when hooked on a fish 👍🏼 Out of the places a Vanquish is released outside of Japan - New Zealand (no hate just lucky to have it)!! I just hope Shimano Australia introduces it to the Australian Market in the near future!!
Thanks for the review, this was very informative. I’ve been trying to decide on whether to get the Vanquish or new Twin Power (in 5000 sizes) to handle bigger species in Florida. Not over slot fish, but more of the river sized species between 20-30” (snook/reds). It will be my medium-heavy setup. Do you think the 5000 Vanquish will hold up to these fish or should I go Twin Power? Thanks in advance.
For that application I'm going with the Twin Power, or better yet bite the bullet and get the USDM Stella - you'll probably put that lifetime service to good use.
It's growing on me a bit...but yeah the black/silver scheme and also just the weird sharp angles on the housing...compared to the Daiwa monocoque reels, it's really a shame. But functionally - best spinning reel I've used to date!
I cant justify buying another reel since I own the 2500-h 23 Airity, 4000xg 2020 & 2500s Vanquish. The reels are solid but the Vanquish is just something else. So I share the same sentiment
Thanks for the Fantastic video! I l am enjoying the Stella and the Vanquish for the very reasons you mentioned in this review but I still love my Exist! I do also have to mention that only you would say that a Stargazer is your favorite 😂
I have a Stella SW. And picked up a 23 Vanquish 3000 while traveling Korea. Paired with a 23Dialuna. Thats what I use as my seabass and halibut reel here in the San Diego area inshore. Got a Labrax AGS coming, and was gonna pick up a Certate to pair with it. Figured they are perfect match together. Targeting the same species. But now your review has me rethinking the Certate. Hmmm
Yeah I mean it's all anecdotal, but if I wanted zero headaches I'd just get a USDM Stella to pair to your 9'+ rod and call it a day - platinum service for life.
hey mate, nice comparison video, i just got my stella fk 5000 pair with daiwa saltist hyper v2 spinning rod, haven’t got the chance to try it, hope i made the right choice for my saltwater bottom bashing & some inshore casting…🙏🏽
I own 2 of the 17' Exsence C3000MHG and they're my favorite spinning reels for Bass-light saltwater applications. I've never had even the slightest problem with my drag.
@@philipfalco7304 I agree, I prefer the Exsence to the Vanquish. Just that tiny bit more powerful and still 90-95 percent of the smoothness of the 19 Vanquish. Great reels.
As a certate owner, I unfortunately have to agree that the mag seal just doesn't work in the salt. The mag seal within the roller bearing (or where a roller bearing would go, gets destroyed every month or so of heavier weekend warrior trips. This has me looking at the shimano options.
@@IFeelfishy Yeah man all stuff in saltwater corrodes, just a quick rinse under light tap pressure does the trick. My certates run smooth after 2 years of usage
@@CookingandFishing Me too man. I already have it, so I will use it until it cant be fixed anymore. By then I'm sure Diawa will have more of the kinks worked out. Or you will have more videos showing better options!! keep up the informative videos, I love them!
Been waiting for this review since the vanquish video drop last year. Awesome. I do notice ur vanquish handle is different from the stock model, I been trying to look for replacement handle for the vanquish 3000 model for the longest time. Not a fan of the T shape handle
Vanquish for the win. Kinda lame its jdm only, but it's my new goto reel. I have all the previous 3 generations of Exist and the Stella FK, FJ. Yup i spent way too much money on gears.
I’m trying to pair a reel to my Yamaga blanks 84ML rod (128g). Do you think the C3000XG or C4000XG would pair well and be able to handle mostly 18-24” stripers well, sometimes bigger to 30” fish?
That was a really good review. I’m mostly a bait caster guy, but I need to start adding some high end spinning. So what’s funny is tactical bassin always recommends the exsence. Is the drag really that bad? Say for smallmouth.
Thanks! All I can say about Matt and Tim is...they are undoubtedly affiliated in some way with Shimano, so when it comes to tackle recommendations I take their advice with a healthy dose of salt (as you should with any review to varying degrees I suppose). As for the Exsence - let's just say that nobody, absolutely nobody in Japan is using it for finesse, light line freshwater applications...and I suspect very few are using it for seabass either. Just a weird model that is entirely eclipsed by the Vanquish in every way.
@@CookingandFishing lol, yeah I know about their obligations and your right. I mean if they want to offer anything other than the Stella that’s the next step down. So it makes sense, just never thought about it that way.
I guess it leaves another question though. What’s your take on the 24 exsence BB? I know it’s down graded version. But for 115 bucks the specs make it look like deal next to the vanford
@@rhodesianhunter9360 I'm pretty sure it's a vanford with a fewer bearings? Not sure but I would just get the Stradic tbh. With Shimano it's Stradic/Vanford then TP/Vanquish/Stella - skip everything in between as they all seem rather pointless lol
Man I really wanna get a vanquish to see what the hype is about but I hate that plastic drag noise, which the the main reason I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I don't mind it on the vanfords but I kinda expected better on the Vanquish. The stella sounds similar and the exist imo sounds the best. As of now I am debating really hard to choose that over the exist sf.
I wouldn't call it a plasticky drag sound but it's not as pleasing to the ear as the Stella/Exist even Certate. Drag acoustics are nice to have, but ultimately it's the performance that matters :)
@@CookingandFishing It should be that way, sadly I like my looks and acoustics a little too much lol, actually why I don't own any nrx or conquest rods. To me they look very boring to the eye regardless of how flawless their performance. Still though I might pick up a Vanquish 2000 size for bass and walleye fishing.
The new Twinpower?? Does it throw a spanner in the works? A lot seem to say it has pretty much everything the Stella has for less cash. Especially if you go JDM. Of course nobody has fished with it extensively yet.
I just picked up a new TP C3000XG - you can see it in action in my latest video. Based on a few trips...VERY impressive reel - between the new TP and Vanquish it's getting more and more difficult to justify a Stella :)
@@CookingandFishing Will check it out. Yes that's what other RUclipsr's are saying. Why get the Stella when all its features have been passed down to the Twin Power. What are Shimano at?? Or is Stella due an upgrade? I'm might get myself a Twinpower from Japan. I'm suppose a 4000 size spool would fit on a 5000 size reel. And vice versa. I will check with the dealer if I order one.
@@weekendfisher The Stella is very similar just three more bearings. But the body is made mainly of magnesium instead of aluminum. More likely to corrode if you scratch the coating. The Saltiga is made by Diawa. The others are made by Shimano. So I think you might be way off there.
@@awilderireland i know, use only Daiwa reels. I didn't know that there is any difference mechanically. So Shimano Stella is completely different reel for USA?
18:00 i have nothing good to say about daiwa and saltwater either i had a ballistic go bad on me from saltwater very fast and when i sent it in under the warranty they just oiled it up and sent it back which it went into the trash not much later
Lol yeah...again, I know people who use their magsealed Daiwas hard in the salt and they claim zero issues, I guess it's the luck of the draw but me personally, Daiwas stay in freshwater
@@CookingandFishing got ya , would say vanquish hold up much better in saltwater than airity ? I’m thinking to get on vanquish wondering in term of stop and go action lure applications which one is better ?
@@YzKnox If saltwater is involved, Shimano all the way. Strictly freshwater, I'll still use high end Daiwas. But yes the Vanquish has effortless start/stop.
What kills it for me is the weight, the 2500xh exist weighs 5.8oz and the Stella 2500hg weighs 7.4oz. That’s definitely a noticeable difference fishing for a few hours.
They are very different reels, that's why I said in the review that the counterpart to the Exist is the Vanquish, not the Stella. Stella's heavy alum rotor really is unique among all high end spinning reels.
@@khnguyen141 People think that bc they're the respective flagship models, but the Stella is a different beast with a different design philosophy. Shimano could easily make the Stella as light or lighter than the Exist, but that's what the Vanquish is for :)
I’ll take a Stella any day over other models. I use two Stella 2500 spinning reels on Megabass destroyer 7ft spinning rods. They are my Ned rig step ups. I can feel everything. When I pick up my twin power, on a GLoomis NRX I loose so much feel. Day & night difference.
@cookingandfishing .. hey bud plz take a minute and put into context the JDM 2021 exsense with 11+1 bearings as this is the one all of us went for not the US version that sells for a few hundred no one expects anything out of that obvs 🤷♂️
Bought a Vanquish for largemouth/smallmouth, but havent used it yet. This review got me more optimistic about it. I was interested about your take on the Exsence, because it was one of the reels I was considering before I got the Vanquish at a lower price point. Have you done a more in depth review of the Exsence?
No, I bought one a couple years ago checked the drag out of the box and sent it back. Carbon fiber washers is not what I wanted in a spinning reel this size. It also was raspy/noisy on the retrieve, didn't feel refined at all. That reel basically makes no sense when they have the Vanquish in the lineup.
I don't own the 21' Exsence but I do own 2 of the 17' Exsence and IMO, the best spinning reel I've ever used. For heavier Bass applications to light Saltwater it's great. I own the C3000MHG. It's 7oz., has a strong/responsive drag, power to spare, smooth as silk and the blacked out look just looks great. I've NEVER broken off a fish due to the drag. Maybe the 21' model is a lesser version. I also own 7 Vanquish's in the 19' and 23' models and love them also but not for power fishing.
What is wrong with pen? I think they’re very reliable never had any of the problems you’re talking about but then again I’m not as technical as you are, but you can dial in on any fish or any real. If you just pay attention depends is more reliable real to me because it can be fixed anywhere you can fix it and readily available, right here in the United States
Sorry but Penn hasn't been relevant in this size range for at least 2 decades, or really...any size range reels. There's literally no reason to buy a Penn in 2024 for any reason, and they don't even make anything remotely comparable to the reels featured in this review.
Couldn’t disagree more about your opinion on the daiwas been using various mag seal models since they came out. Use predominantly in saltwater never had a problem ever .
Just baught a soare xr s80ul+ and i have a vanford to match it since its a very light rod but i was looking to get a higher end reel. The stella if abit much for me so i was thinking either a vanquish or an airity in 2500 size. Depending on how it feels though i might also look into a certate or twinpower to balance the rod
get a vanquish, the new airity st sf etc still doesnt sniff it. I have a 1000 fk stella and 1000 vanquish for my ultralights and imho vanquish is better. If you want to balance it though get the stella since it weights a little more
I'd get the Vanquish in a heartbeat lol...unless you're only fishing in freshwater, in which case the Airity might be a good option. That rod is probably super light so I wouldn't worry about getting a paperweight for balancing purposes.
I met a fisherman who used to fish a Stella 22 FK, He showed me the vanquish 23 1000ssspg and said its better to fish with than a stella, I laughed at him. Ive heard time and time again that once you buy a vanquish you buy the next one. After watching several reviews and looking at Daiwa Arities and Exists, I purchased a 1000 vanquish. I am using it more than my stella FK22. I am super happy with it. Ugly reel compared to the Stella and Exist but It is by far the most functional spinning reel on the market. Hopefully the next Stella will put in all the good things as they did in the vanquish. Ive heard the new exist is coming out soon but I still believe currently the Vanquish is king. Will do the job better than an Exist for almost half the price... The Stella 22FK I find is smoother and more durable than the Vanquish. The Stella can be slightly better for High speed retrievals. Shimano use surface treatment on the gears in the Stella. But the Vanquish is the more functional and better for BFS. That winding startup inertia, slow oscillation really makes a massive difference when finesse fishing. Really Does cast further than an Exist and Stella too Many people are having problems with Daiwa magseal as they are removing it from certain places like the roller bearings to make their reels lighter and smoother. (Also selling it for the same price or more) Positive side MQ body is more water proof and you don’t have to handle small screws. Down side is even if you have the socket tool that you need to buy to open the MQ body, you cant buy Magseal from anywhere ,you have to send it to Daiwa. Using other magfluid lubricants or grease will void your Daiwa warranty but also doesn’t work as well. So off to Daiwas terrible service department. Also Daiwa lied with the new Airity ST and SF. The 1000 SF is a size 500 reel body with a size 1000 spool to make the Airity 10g lighter than the Vanquish 1000. The Vanquish is a true 1000 in spool and body and handles bigger fish than the Airity. I really think Shimano are slightly ahead of Daiwa and miles ahead with their pricing and servicing of their reels. That being said Daiwa can make a comeback in future. Here in Australia Shimano give us the crumbs... They really need to Bring the Vanquish to USA and Australia... If you want the Reel for Finesse Fishing you will be very very impressed by the Vanquish.
Wow - what a stellar write-up! Thank you! And yes I would have to agree with all your points re Shimano/Daiwa, as much as I'm a fan of Daiwa's designs they fall short in some key ways. Here's to hoping both Shimano USA and Aus comes to their senses and give us the Vanquish!
@@CookingandFishing Can't thankyou enough for uploading this video. A very unbiased and intelligent review! Big fan of Shimano, Megabass and Daiwa, have been using their reels for years. Have picked up a few things over the years, seen and heard things about all kinds of Gear in tackle shops. How great is it when tackle companies give you what you want and what works? Here's to hoping brother! Tight lines champ!
I own three Stellas two SW and one 4000FK ,I’ve been a Shimano fan since my childhood and I still have to find a spinning reel that feels or performs better than Stella ,the only reel I take with me most of the time is the Stradic 1000HG just because of how light it is,not even to mention how smooth it feels and yet it doesn’t compare to Stella in anything except in weight
@@fisherman1353 The stradic is a kids reel compared to the vanquish... If I was high speed jigging or popping for GT or Tuna I would pick a Saltiga or Stella SW or other reels especially for line capacity, they don't make 8000 Vanquish but if they did it would still do the job... The vanquish is the new and improved Stella FK... I have a Stella FK and SW, Saltiga and a Dogfight, Maxel transformer, Maxel rage... None of which I would use for every day fishing all bullet proof reels but heavy and cumbersome to use... I can still catch big fish with the vanquish for my everyday fishing... I have used my saltiga dog fight a handful of times. Haven't put down the Vanquish since I've purchased it... I've put the same braid on my Shimano Cardiff are considered higher end reels in the stradic family. I don't consider the Shimano Cardiff anywhere in the class of a vanquish even if you fully decked the Cardiff with Shimano yumeya exclusive parts to make it lighter and smoother. I have a Cardiff fully decked out with yumeya exclusive parts and even then it still isn't as light or as functional because it doesn't have any of the new 23 or 24 Shimano spinning reel technologies included.
Hi all, wondering if anyone is able to help, I was thinking of buying a new fishing reel for my brother the Shimano vanquish C5000 - for river trout fishing - will this work? also what is the best fishing rod to go with this real as my understanding of it is that its super lightweight. Any help would be much appreciated!
Depending on the size of the fish i think the size is way to big. If the trout is from 1-8kg the 2500-3000 size should have enough power and Line for that. If you use thin braid. However if you need the capacity and the trout Are very large with a lot of current and you use mono, i think 4000 is Max u should use. Tight lines! ☺️
@@Kim-wc7un thanks so much for your advise! I really appreciate it. My brother fishes wild trout and from my very little understanding the fish is not particularly large however the rivers are of a difficult terrain and the trout is very hard to catch and he said the reels need to be strong which is why I thought of the 5000 reel
I’m trying to pair a reel to my Yamaga blanks 84ML rod (128g). Do you think the C3000XG or C4000XG (or maybe the 3000MHG since I don’t really need more than 200M of PE1 line capacity) would pair well and be able to handle mostly 18-24” stripers well, sometimes bigger to 30” fish? I have a 1000 23 vanquish that is great for UL trout fishing especially with light jigs, but it doesn’t feel the greatest under load with like 3.5-5g spoons. Do the bigger vanquish negate this effect since it’s a bigger body and gear? I originally bought a 24 twin power 3000XG for this 84ML rod but I don’t enjoy the heavy start up inertia compared to my 24 certate Lt4000C that I have on my 10 ft Medium shimano dialuna rod.
I used to be a Shimano guy . But honestly nothing compares to Daiwa . I started out Diawa , switched to Shimano then came back . Shimano fell off , reels aren’t as smooth or as built as Diawa . I have 10 year old Daiwas that I can sell for more than I paid for . You can’t do that with anything Shimano .
One who own SaltigaZ knows what are you talking about!!!😊 Since I also own 2020 Saltiga, it feel stronger than Stella but i cannot say that she is smoother.
Its the complete opposite, maybe you fish fresh water because its been the complete opposite for me and im never purchasing a daiwa again. They are the smoothest reels in the shop but once you start using them that does not last, my last daiwa purchase was a Certate LT 3000xh and i was really exited after all the praise it had been receiving. A month later and about 100lbs worth of calico bass and halibut, it became very very grindy and just horrible feeling. Sent it in for warrenty, they determined it was “user error” and charged me $80 for a new gear set. The exact same thing happend with my saltiga BJ 4000 as well. My twinpower FDs on the other hand are 4 years old and still feel just about new with much much more abuse and very little maintenance. My old daiwas are amazing but the new ones just dont hold up.
@@bft2840 that’s upsetting to hear . Yea I do fish fresh water but I do rebuild all my own gear. That being said I just picked up a certate lt 3000 for halibut . My last halibut reel was the old stradic never had an issue with that reel but this certate so far has been a huge upgrade . Fingers crossed no issues .
@@user-xm8rf6ik7b i think the gear issue occurrs when you crank hard on them. it was especially noticeable after a day of wide open bonito from the peir, cranked maybe 20 up and by the end of the day it was literally grinding. Ive done the same exact thing with my fuego LT 1000 and Stradic FL with no issues. Land based shore fishing might be fine though for awhile.
Hello good sir🤩. What a video 🤩 what do you think 3000 or 2500 for sea trout fishing. I see online the drag is a little different. But the same body ?. I don’t get it
Yes for some reason JDM 2500 models come with a single drag washer vs 3000 models with a stack of 3 washers. Personally, I like more drag, not because I need it but bc it provides a greater range of drag force.
@@CookingandFishing then the 3000 model is in the way👌 Looking forward to catch some sea trout her on Smøla, in the middle of Norway 🇳🇴. Thank you for the advice 🔥
@@Sam-ql4um these fish are heavily pressured and to get bit you have to downsize your leader, at least for the technique I'm using here. 5lb leader and tiny jigheads with #3 hooks = time to land.
@@CookingandFishing the ultegrais a better reel with better tolerance hand no handleplay, and quiet .. vanford feels good first day but give it 1 month with small blades and crankbait and6 month overall then all bearings are bad... lioneroller bearing went bad after 2 weeks..
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This is a great review video packed with loads of genuine thoughts and some good fishing action, too. I find that a lot of RUclipsrs just parrot ideas from other videos, often full of bias and irrelevance. This was a refreshing exception to watch. 👏👏👏
I agree with you re most reviews - and thank you!!!
Thanks for the after season review! Just something about a vanquish. One of the only reels I actually purchased a spare spool for.
Yeah I was very surprised by its performance - probably the best all around spinning reel I've ever used
Love the insight and compare! Already have 2 Stella’s don’t make me want another reel
Lol so many reels, so little time
In a sea of reviews, where people focus on repeating what's in the marketing materials, this really sounds like genuine using experience coming from someone who actually had and probably has a few high-end reels.
Thanks a lot for the review. I would recommend trying out the new Twin Power, which also has Dura Drag.
One thing - Vanquish is not a JDM range reel. They are pretty common in Europe and can be bought in any shop that carries high-end Shimano models.
Thank you!! I picked up the new TP a few weeks ago, you can check it out in action here - ruclips.net/video/nmYrP8dAd9c/видео.html
Awesome review bro! Ive been looking at the vanquish for quite sometime now but kinda dont want to pull the trigger since shimano service center here in the state dont service those jdm reels. I own 3 of shimano stella 5000fk's since it first came out 2022. Super smooth, and best drag system out there. I baught 3 for me and for my 2 brothers. We fished 3- 5 a times for a week on the surf and alternating my arsenals from the twin power FD, XD, SW to stella fk and SW's, van staals and my saltigas. From all the reels i mentioned. I only had a problem with the daiwa saltiga from sand getting inside the gears and my 2 fk's went in for serviced twice already in almost 2 years of used for bail rotor breaking and griness from the sand. And i take good care of my reels, i rinse them after of used. I think the fk's arent meant for abused since externals gears starting to fail after couple of months of used. I just ordered 2 more of the stella sw since its proven to be last really long time without having a problem.
Subscribed after watching this vedio, some in-depth thoughts with no bias for sure, I’m in the same position thinking between the Stella, vanquish and exist, and my main considerations are pricing, weights, water resistance as I’m matching it with my Piratez strikes (very light rod) for some mid to large species saltwater species such as pink snapper and Samson’s fish in Western Australia. Long story short, this video has pointed out exactly what I was concerned with the daiwa issue, and Stella is the pricing that I feel reluctantly buying for. Definitely going for the Vanquish 5000, thanks a lot and look forwards to more vedios coming from your channel
Thank you!! I think the Twin Power should also be on your list if you're fishing heavy drag on small reels, but I'm fully confident the Vanquish should handle it just fine.
Yes the twin power is definitely on my list for sure, do you think twin power drage is slightly more capable of handling big fish? it’s cheaper too, however it’s about 50g heavier than the vanquish, I personally like the look of the 23 vanquish more than the 24 twin power too, Functionality wise at this stage I feel like both reels can handle good fish at the similar high level, after weighing it out I think I would go for the lighter but more expensive option which is the vanquish since it’s a reel I never owned before unless its drag and gear system not as good as the twin power, as a enthusiastic fisherman I am honestly more excited about getting the vanquish tho.
@@maniyhy9451 My vanquish has handled everything I threw at it fine, but it's primarily a finesse freshwater/saltwater reel for fish between 2-6lbs. I generally use 5 to 12lb fluoro leaders just to give you a sense of the type of fishing I'm doing. If I were targeting fish over 10lbs that run hard regularly on 2500 - 3000 sized reels, I would probably opt for the Twin Power or Stella. The heavier/stiffer rotor does play a role in keeping everything aligned during hard runs. If that's only an occasional occurrence for you like it is for me, then the Vanquish would suit you well.
Subscribed because of this video. Fantastic work man, this must have taken a a lot of effort to put together. Would love to own a Stella FK one day!
Thank you!!!
Exactly why I prefer the Exsence and new Vanford for most applications. The new Vanford would likely have something to say about this review.
Lol what would it say? I've been using the new Vanford for a couple of months - very nice reel, but not in the same category as the Vanquish.
I have used my Daiwa 19 Certate in the surf for the last three years with zero issues so far. Never has it been serviced, either. I just got the 2024 Certate. Hopefully, this one will be jusy as durable.
Good luck - I mean it!
How do you feel the differences between the 19 and 24 Certate so far?
My exist need new oil after two years fishing..i’m not a fan of magseal ..
@@johanlaeveren735 Yeah it's nice on paper but I'm not a fan either
Great videos
I had some Stella reels switched to the 2019 3000xg vanquish and I fish kayak inshore saltwater since 2019 never had to service it just a little Shimano oil it and believe me it gets wet and I dunked it once by accident just rinse in freshwater
This reel is in like new condition reels like day one
I want to get another one soon it’s worth h ever dime
Any one interested in a vanquish get one it’s super tough and very light weight
Very nice!! I agree - the Vanquish is a beast of a reel!
The best review I've seen so far. I had similar feelings right after buying the Vanquish, but as soon as I caught the first asp, I changed my mind. Now I'm eagerly awaiting the delivery of the new Twin Power. I didn't go for the Stella, as it seems to me that the Twin Power can handle the job. Nevertheless, I'm still tempted to get the Stella and the new Certate - but I need to get a reel to pair with my ultra ligth rod so it seems that I will end up with another vanquish but smaller size
So many reels, so little time to fish them all :)
I've had the 22 Stella and sold it to a friend who does more bass fishing. I have the 22 Exist LT and SF. Both are very smooth. I also aquired the new Certate as well. I just recently bought the Vanquish 1000SP model and love it for trout. I'm getting the new TwinPower FE 3000MHG for all bass, white bass, walleyes, and smaller stripers.
really good review man
Thank you!!
Shimano Stella tiene mejores materiales y su precio es alto mi opinión es que pagas por lujo y calidad, en cambio Vanquish tiene un costo más accesible y tiene buenos materiales ser liviano no significa que se comporte mal, Shimano Japón ha comentado que Vanquish es su mejor carrete de Spinning y en acción de pesca siempre será mejor.
PD: mi carrete de pesca es un Vanquish 19' C5000HG ha resistido a Corvinas Chilenas 🇨🇱 de 12 a 15 kilos sin problemas y Platijas grandes jamás me ha decepcionado, su arrastre es suave y continuo no genera esos Pick de tensión. Saludos me gusta tu contenido es un trabajo serio y profesional.
Un abrazo desde Chile 🇨🇱🙌🏻🎣
Thank you!!! One day I will visit Chile and your BIG flounder!!
100% love the feel of the stella. i also use the vanquish more on lighter rod setups. i feel for some reason the shorter design of the certates and exist actually balances some rods a bit better. they are all insanely good reels for sure, can't go wrong. comes down to personal preferences at this point. btw the c2000s vanquish is very fun for UL setups
Yeah we are spoilt for choice these days - thank god both companies exist (no pun intended)
I love Daiwa, but the Shimano Vanquish is just on another level.
They are both phenomenal reels for sure
Great honest video. Twin Power FE & Vanford, my spinning reel load out. Would a Vanquish add to the combo?
It would in terms of refinement, think of it as a lighter TP FE with the same level of build quality. But honestly the new Vanford is such a nice little reel I don't see much difference in functionality (though once you use the Vanquish the vanford is strictly backup duty lol)
thanks for sharing another outstanding review!
Thank you!! I appreciate it!
What model vanquish do you have? I do mostly pier and bank fishing for pomps, flounder, sheeps, reds here in Texas using 10-15 lb line. Which vanquish model is a good fit?
Great honest review
@@abrahamjoseph6707 It depends on the rod you're using, but the 3000MHG is a good all around size - 4k body/gearing, 3k rotor/spool - will fit 7' freshwater rods as well as JDM seabass rods up to 9'6ML etc.
I have a vanquish. It's light. Incredible reel but sometimes you need the weight of a stella to balance even light setups properly.
I agree!
@CookingandFishing Those 2024 and honesty even 2019 certates are great reels for the money. Not too far away from a stella and are tough and very smooth. Best "bang for your buck" if $400 is considered that these days.
@@zveryok1 yes but they are freshwater-only reels as far as I'm concerned - I know some people who are happy with Certates/Exists in the salt but more (many more) who are not. Shame bc I'm a huge fan of the design, but mine no longer see the salt at all.
@CookingandFishing I've got one on a saltwater rod. Depends on how much salt and if you get splashes of water at you. From shore, if you're careful, you can use them. Definitely not for heavy duty surf stuff or anything close to it.
@@zveryok1 I'm pathologically careful with my gear and the magsealed reels still end up coffee grinders. I know people who abuse their gear and their Shimano Stradic/vanfords/vanquish/tp/stellas hold up fine. It's a neat concept on paper but magseal is the dumbest move Daiwa ever made.
The Cow nose ray are no joke when it gets hooked. They just keep going.
Lol they do...but usually they make just one run parallel to the beach and you have to follow them not stand there watching 200ft of line strip out haha
Hello brother, excellent review of the premium models, both Shimano and Daiwa.
I have a question if you can help me: I need to get a reel for the rod , new 2024 Palms Egeria EFNS 84 MH 5-28 g, for large rivers with a stronger current.
Should I choose size 3000 or 4000? And is it a better and more long-lasting investment to go for the Shimano Stella or Vanquish?
I think you can go with either 3000 or 4000 for that rod, depending on what line capacity you need. Another option is the 3000MHG size - a 4000 rotor/gearing with 3000 spool/rotor. Long term the Stella or Twin Power will be more durable, at least on paper...but my Vanquish is going on year 3 with zero issues. I would let the weight of the reel and how it balances out that rod be the determining factor.
@@CookingandFishing Thanks, brother,
I took the Stella FK 3000MHG based on your recommendation; it has excellent balance.
I already own a Shimano Vanquish on my UL rod, Hearty Rise Rock'n Pro Force II 662 UL, and I'm very satisfied!
23 Vanquish is very comfortable to use for Bass fishing❤
I agree!
Hey @3:25 you can really hear the Stella when you’re reeling in. My Stella is also loud just like this too. I wonder why that is? It used to be very quiet. However the overall performance of my Stella has not changed, it has just gotten loud. I’ve had people clean my reel and inspect it and they have all said it looks great and nothing too concerning so I’m not sure why it’s so loud? What are your thoughts? Thanks 🙏
If the actual drag performance is good, I wouldn't worry too much about the acoustics. All that is is a little spring flicking against a clicker...you can remove it entirely and a silent drag system that performs just as well. Having said that, I do prefer the drag sound of the Stella over the Vanquish :)
@@CookingandFishing thank you for the reply. Sounds good 👍 I was debating on sending my reel into shimano to service too but maybe I’ll hold off a bit and save myself a couple bucks for now.
Bad line roller bearing. Always the first bearing to go especially on shimanos. You can confirm this by using a rubber band to spin the line roller back and forth while listening for noise.
Great review as always. I bought the Vanquish in 4000 size for my sea bass (striper in the US) fishing in the UK and it quickly became the reel I use most. A bit light for my 9'6ft rods but sits great on 9ft rod. Roger I just got the new Shimano 24 Twin Power c3000xg love it too. It would be interesting to see your review of it one day.
Nice!! The new TP definitely on my radar for 2024!
how much heavier is the TP?
@@abcJ-q4v The Vanquish C3000xg weights 170g and the Vanquish 4000xg is 205g. The TP c3000XG 215g and the TP 4000xg 260g.
I can’t get over the heavy start up inertia of the twin power 24 compared to my 24 certate LT. I have a 1000 vanquish for trout UL Fishing. I might get a 4000 vanquish for my ML rod that was supposed to be for my twin power
@@thomaskong5 I on the other hand love the feel of robustness on my TP24, reeling a bigger fish it's a joy. This reel is truly superb. Sure the start up is not as light as on the Vanquish but neither is the Daiwa's you mentioned.
Great review, so much better than stupid unboxing videos. As the owner of a Vanquish and former owner of various high end Daiwa’s I couldn’t agree more with your observations. Daiwa mag sealed line rollers are terrible, oil migrates into the bearings and then the bearings become loud and raspy. I fixed mine by replacing and using the Luvias rubber seals in place of the mag seal, works fine and can service yourself. But Shimano high end reels are just better longer lasting reels in fresh and salt.
Yeah sadly that's a common theme when it comes to Daiwa reels.
Great review!! Have 2 stellas and 100% agree on the new duracross drag, very noticeable when hooked on a fish 👍🏼
Out of the places a Vanquish is released outside of Japan - New Zealand (no hate just lucky to have it)!! I just hope Shimano Australia introduces it to the Australian Market in the near future!!
Yes!! Hopefully Shimano USA and Aus comes to their senses lol
Thanks for the review, this was very informative. I’ve been trying to decide on whether to get the Vanquish or new Twin Power (in 5000 sizes) to handle bigger species in Florida. Not over slot fish, but more of the river sized species between 20-30” (snook/reds). It will be my medium-heavy setup. Do you think the 5000 Vanquish will hold up to these fish or should I go Twin Power? Thanks in advance.
For that application I'm going with the Twin Power, or better yet bite the bullet and get the USDM Stella - you'll probably put that lifetime service to good use.
@@CookingandFishing thank you!
What do you think about the twin power C3000XG or the vanquished C3000XG
Love the review! I was just wondering where did ,you purchased your stella ? I was trying to find the model you mentioned but so such luck.
Digitaka!
I do hate the look of the vanquish but I use it the most out of all my high end shimano!
It's growing on me a bit...but yeah the black/silver scheme and also just the weird sharp angles on the housing...compared to the Daiwa monocoque reels, it's really a shame. But functionally - best spinning reel I've used to date!
I cant justify buying another reel since I own
the 2500-h 23 Airity, 4000xg 2020 & 2500s Vanquish.
The reels are solid but the Vanquish is just something else. So I share the same sentiment
Yeah like I mentioned in the review, I know guys who have fleets of Vanquishes - I didn't understand before, but I get it now
When start fishing for snook and tarpon the Stella and exists is the way to go!
@@snookerson9292 Stella yes, Exist...nah
Thanks for the Fantastic video! I l am enjoying the Stella and the Vanquish for the very reasons you mentioned in this review but I still love my Exist! I do also have to mention that only you would say that a Stargazer is your favorite 😂
Haha thanks Dave! May your Exist live long and prosper - and how can anyone NOT pick the stargazer as their favorite bycatch - look at that face!
Stellaaaa no 1👍👍👍
I have a Stella SW. And picked up a 23 Vanquish 3000 while traveling Korea. Paired with a 23Dialuna. Thats what I use as my seabass and halibut reel here in the San Diego area inshore.
Got a Labrax AGS coming, and was gonna pick up a Certate to pair with it. Figured they are perfect match together. Targeting the same species.
But now your review has me rethinking the Certate. Hmmm
Yeah I mean it's all anecdotal, but if I wanted zero headaches I'd just get a USDM Stella to pair to your 9'+ rod and call it a day - platinum service for life.
What size dialuna do you have your vanquish paired up to?
@@thomaskong5 Dialuna S90ml
How did your diawa rod and Shimano reel combo not burst into flames?
🤣🤣🤣
I just got the 2000 exist and am looking for a new rod to pair with it do you have any recommendations
Depends what you're throwing and fishing for - UL to ML maybe under 7'2
@@CookingandFishing mostly crappie and some bass I’m thinking the light steez 6’10
@@aaronmagee3048 That'd make a nice combo for sure. I know there's a 7' Light Expride that would be perfect too.
For fishing water with drum, trout, and flounder all in it, would you recommend the Stella 3000 or the vanquish 3000
The Stella or new twin power probably more durable in the long run...the Vanquish is very nice but it's more of a finesse reel.
hey mate, nice comparison video, i just got my stella fk 5000 pair with daiwa saltist hyper v2 spinning rod, haven’t got the chance to try it, hope i made the right choice for my saltwater bottom bashing & some inshore casting…🙏🏽
I don't know that rod or your application but the Stella is one solid reel - I think you'll enjoy yours for years to come!
Great review Stella is for the ocean vanquish is for lake lol😂
What? Shimano Exsence reels does not have carbon fiber drag washers...What are you on about..? I have several..
I own 2 of the 17' Exsence C3000MHG and they're my favorite spinning reels for Bass-light saltwater applications. I've never had even the slightest problem with my drag.
@@philipfalco7304 I agree, I prefer the Exsence to the Vanquish. Just that tiny bit more powerful and still 90-95 percent of the smoothness of the 19 Vanquish. Great reels.
What handle/handle is that? Dont the 3000 models for the Vanquish come in a paddle knob
It's an Avail slim EVA knob
You just cant go wrong with Shimano. Daiwa is excellent too
I agree - those 2 are it when it comes to freshwater sized spinning reels.
So would you rather have a 5k stella for stripers than a 5k vanquish?
both are too small but gun to my head - Stella all the way.
As a certate owner, I unfortunately have to agree that the mag seal just doesn't work in the salt. The mag seal within the roller bearing (or where a roller bearing would go, gets destroyed every month or so of heavier weekend warrior trips. This has me looking at the shimano options.
Just rinse it bro I've had 10+ magsealed reels and it works fine
@@IFeelfishy Yeah man all stuff in saltwater corrodes, just a quick rinse under light tap pressure does the trick. My certates run smooth after 2 years of usage
It's sad bc I love Daiwa's design and drag
@@CookingandFishing Me too man. I already have it, so I will use it until it cant be fixed anymore. By then I'm sure Diawa will have more of the kinks worked out. Or you will have more videos showing better options!! keep up the informative videos, I love them!
The new certate finesse custom models have no magseal bearings in the linerol
Been waiting for this review since the vanquish video drop last year. Awesome. I do notice ur vanquish handle is different from the stock model, I been trying to look for replacement handle for the vanquish 3000 model for the longest time. Not a fan of the T shape handle
Thank you!! I too am not a fan of the T shaped knob, I replaced mine with the Avail Slim EVA knob.
@@CookingandFishing did u replacement the entire handle or were you able to just change the knob only?
@@jayzhang49 Just the knob!
Vanquish for the win. Kinda lame its jdm only, but it's my new goto reel. I have all the previous 3 generations of Exist and the Stella FK, FJ. Yup i spent way too much money on gears.
Yeah it's the most functional spinning reel I've ever used - checks every box
I’m trying to pair a reel to my Yamaga blanks 84ML rod (128g). Do you think the C3000XG or C4000XG would pair well and be able to handle mostly 18-24” stripers well, sometimes bigger to 30” fish?
That was a really good review. I’m mostly a bait caster guy, but I need to start adding some high end spinning. So what’s funny is tactical bassin always recommends the exsence. Is the drag really that bad? Say for smallmouth.
Thanks! All I can say about Matt and Tim is...they are undoubtedly affiliated in some way with Shimano, so when it comes to tackle recommendations I take their advice with a healthy dose of salt (as you should with any review to varying degrees I suppose). As for the Exsence - let's just say that nobody, absolutely nobody in Japan is using it for finesse, light line freshwater applications...and I suspect very few are using it for seabass either. Just a weird model that is entirely eclipsed by the Vanquish in every way.
@@CookingandFishing lol, yeah I know about their obligations and your right. I mean if they want to offer anything other than the Stella that’s the next step down. So it makes sense, just never thought about it that way.
I guess it leaves another question though. What’s your take on the 24 exsence BB? I know it’s down graded version. But for 115 bucks the specs make it look like deal next to the vanford
@@rhodesianhunter9360 I'm pretty sure it's a vanford with a fewer bearings? Not sure but I would just get the Stradic tbh. With Shimano it's Stradic/Vanford then TP/Vanquish/Stella - skip everything in between as they all seem rather pointless lol
Man I really wanna get a vanquish to see what the hype is about but I hate that plastic drag noise, which the the main reason I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I don't mind it on the vanfords but I kinda expected better on the Vanquish. The stella sounds similar and the exist imo sounds the best. As of now I am debating really hard to choose that over the exist sf.
I wouldn't call it a plasticky drag sound but it's not as pleasing to the ear as the Stella/Exist even Certate. Drag acoustics are nice to have, but ultimately it's the performance that matters :)
@@CookingandFishing It should be that way, sadly I like my looks and acoustics a little too much lol, actually why I don't own any nrx or conquest rods. To me they look very boring to the eye regardless of how flawless their performance. Still though I might pick up a Vanquish 2000 size for bass and walleye fishing.
@@torment6369 Lol I hear ya...I don't think you'll regret getting a Vanquish tho!
Love those heavy hooksets. I can also attest to the smooth drag of the vanquish, its a great reel and punches way above its weight.
It definitely does!
The new Twinpower?? Does it throw a spanner in the works?
A lot seem to say it has pretty much everything the Stella has for less cash. Especially if you go JDM.
Of course nobody has fished with it extensively yet.
I just picked up a new TP C3000XG - you can see it in action in my latest video. Based on a few trips...VERY impressive reel - between the new TP and Vanquish it's getting more and more difficult to justify a Stella :)
@@CookingandFishing Will check it out. Yes that's what other RUclipsr's are saying. Why get the Stella when all its features have been passed down to the Twin Power.
What are Shimano at?? Or is Stella due an upgrade?
I'm might get myself a Twinpower from Japan. I'm suppose a 4000 size spool would fit on a 5000 size reel. And vice versa. I will check with the dealer if I order one.
JDM TwinPower or Stella or Saltiga do not have nothing mechanically different than others. Difference is only esthetic.
@@weekendfisher The Stella is very similar just three more bearings. But the body is made mainly of magnesium instead of aluminum. More likely to corrode if you scratch the coating.
The Saltiga is made by Diawa. The others are made by Shimano. So I think you might be way off there.
@@awilderireland i know, use only Daiwa reels. I didn't know that there is any difference mechanically. So Shimano Stella is completely different reel for USA?
How does it compare to the new certate if you've gotten the chance to fish with it?
Thanks for review! Any info who can do JDM reel service in US...
No first hand experience so far...once I do I'll leave a note here
Thanks much, have some JDM reels might service them soon
@@edwardosso316 I would ask around authorized Shimano service centers - and also ask them if they use factory original grease/oils etc for everything.
I love it. I wish my wife would let me get it. I am happy with my Abu Garcia Veritas. Your technique is incredible
Thank you!! and LOL re the wife...sometimes it's better to ask forgiveness than permission :)
Tehát Vanquist! megjegyeztem. és a Twinpower????
Measure and weight of shimano expride used with vanquish?
18:00 i have nothing good to say about daiwa and saltwater either
i had a ballistic go bad on me from saltwater very fast and when i sent it in under the warranty they just oiled it up and sent it back which it went into the trash not much later
Lol yeah...again, I know people who use their magsealed Daiwas hard in the salt and they claim zero issues, I guess it's the luck of the draw but me personally, Daiwas stay in freshwater
Out of my Stella fk, and twin power fd I too gravitate towards my vanquish. Tight lines!
It really is such a perfect little reel - thank you!!
@@CookingandFishing how about the complex xr? F6
@@abcJ-q4v that's basically just a black Vanford, and I would want a higher drag rating for saltwater fishing.
I wonder if the new Duracross drag washers can be used to the older shimanos like FD Twinpower?!
They should be! I doubt they changed washer sizes
Highly recommend daiwa 23 airity 4000xh and interested to see comparisons
I enjoy my Airity...in freshwater. It's basically an Exist with fewer magseals.
@@CookingandFishing got ya , would say vanquish hold up much better in saltwater than airity ? I’m thinking to get on vanquish wondering in term of stop and go action lure applications which one is better ?
@@YzKnox If saltwater is involved, Shimano all the way. Strictly freshwater, I'll still use high end Daiwas. But yes the Vanquish has effortless start/stop.
@@CookingandFishing thank you for your inputs , what size of the reel did you chose for saltwater fishing ?
I choose srella..my favorite reel👍👍👍
..i still not understood whats wrong with Excense ...
What kills it for me is the weight, the 2500xh exist weighs 5.8oz and the Stella 2500hg weighs 7.4oz. That’s definitely a noticeable difference fishing for a few hours.
They are very different reels, that's why I said in the review that the counterpart to the Exist is the Vanquish, not the Stella. Stella's heavy alum rotor really is unique among all high end spinning reels.
@CookingandFishing It's always been Stella vs Exist ;)
@@khnguyen141 People think that bc they're the respective flagship models, but the Stella is a different beast with a different design philosophy. Shimano could easily make the Stella as light or lighter than the Exist, but that's what the Vanquish is for :)
I’ll take a Stella any day over other models. I use two Stella 2500 spinning reels on Megabass destroyer 7ft spinning rods. They are my Ned rig step ups. I can feel everything. When I pick up my twin power, on a GLoomis NRX I loose so much feel. Day & night difference.
Stella badan nya aluminium ada bgus lg kuat.klu reel telampau ringan tidak bgus.
@cookingandfishing .. hey bud plz take a minute and put into context the JDM 2021 exsense with 11+1 bearings as this is the one all of us went for not the US version that sells for a few hundred no one expects anything out of that obvs 🤷♂️
What about the Twinpower 3000 FE very smooth they sayt its copy of Stella but nicer priced
I have the TP FE - functionally it's pretty much a Stella, if you want a heavier reel it's a solid choice.
Bought a Vanquish for largemouth/smallmouth, but havent used it yet. This review got me more optimistic about it.
I was interested about your take on the Exsence, because it was one of the reels I was considering before I got the Vanquish at a lower price point. Have you done a more in depth review of the Exsence?
No, I bought one a couple years ago checked the drag out of the box and sent it back. Carbon fiber washers is not what I wanted in a spinning reel this size. It also was raspy/noisy on the retrieve, didn't feel refined at all. That reel basically makes no sense when they have the Vanquish in the lineup.
@@CookingandFishing interesting. Side note never to get an Excense on any subsequent rod I get.
@@nurdonacomputer9076 lol pretty much
I don't own the 21' Exsence but I do own 2 of the 17' Exsence and IMO, the best spinning reel I've ever used. For heavier Bass applications to light Saltwater it's great. I own the C3000MHG. It's 7oz., has a strong/responsive drag, power to spare, smooth as silk and the blacked out look just looks great. I've NEVER broken off a fish due to the drag. Maybe the 21' model is a lesser version. I also own 7 Vanquish's in the 19' and 23' models and love them also but not for power fishing.
What is wrong with pen? I think they’re very reliable never had any of the problems you’re talking about but then again I’m not as technical as you are, but you can dial in on any fish or any real. If you just pay attention depends is more reliable real to me because it can be fixed anywhere you can fix it and readily available, right here in the United States
Sorry but Penn hasn't been relevant in this size range for at least 2 decades, or really...any size range reels. There's literally no reason to buy a Penn in 2024 for any reason, and they don't even make anything remotely comparable to the reels featured in this review.
@@CookingandFishingYes indeed! They should start with agriculture tools!!!😂
Couldn’t disagree more about your opinion on the daiwas been using various mag seal models since they came out. Use predominantly in saltwater never had a problem ever .
Well, we all make purchasing decisions based on experience, and ours certainly differ.
Just baught a soare xr s80ul+ and i have a vanford to match it since its a very light rod but i was looking to get a higher end reel. The stella if abit much for me so i was thinking either a vanquish or an airity in 2500 size. Depending on how it feels though i might also look into a certate or twinpower to balance the rod
get a vanquish, the new airity st sf etc still doesnt sniff it. I have a 1000 fk stella and 1000 vanquish for my ultralights and imho vanquish is better. If you want to balance it though get the stella since it weights a little more
I'd get the Vanquish in a heartbeat lol...unless you're only fishing in freshwater, in which case the Airity might be a good option. That rod is probably super light so I wouldn't worry about getting a paperweight for balancing purposes.
I met a fisherman who used to fish a Stella 22 FK, He showed me the vanquish 23 1000ssspg and said its better to fish with than a stella, I laughed at him. Ive heard time and time again that once you buy a vanquish you buy the next one. After watching several reviews and looking at Daiwa Arities and Exists, I purchased a 1000 vanquish. I am using it more than my stella FK22. I am super happy with it. Ugly reel compared to the Stella and Exist but It is by far the most functional spinning reel on the market. Hopefully the next Stella will put in all the good things as they did in the vanquish. Ive heard the new exist is coming out soon but I still believe currently the Vanquish is king. Will do the job better than an Exist for almost half the price...
The Stella 22FK I find is smoother and more durable than the Vanquish. The Stella can be slightly better for High speed retrievals. Shimano use surface treatment on the gears in the Stella. But the Vanquish is the more functional and better for BFS. That winding startup inertia, slow oscillation really makes a massive difference when finesse fishing. Really Does cast further than an Exist and Stella too
Many people are having problems with Daiwa magseal as they are removing it from certain places like the roller bearings to make their reels lighter and smoother. (Also selling it for the same price or more) Positive side MQ body is more water proof and you don’t have to handle small screws. Down side is even if you have the socket tool that you need to buy to open the MQ body, you cant buy Magseal from anywhere ,you have to send it to Daiwa. Using other magfluid lubricants or grease will void your Daiwa warranty but also doesn’t work as well. So off to Daiwas terrible service department. Also Daiwa lied with the new Airity ST and SF. The 1000 SF is a size 500 reel body with a size 1000 spool to make the Airity 10g lighter than the Vanquish 1000. The Vanquish is a true 1000 in spool and body and handles bigger fish than the Airity. I really think Shimano are slightly ahead of Daiwa and miles ahead with their pricing and servicing of their reels. That being said Daiwa can make a comeback in future.
Here in Australia Shimano give us the crumbs... They really need to Bring the Vanquish to USA and Australia...
If you want the Reel for Finesse Fishing you will be very very impressed by the Vanquish.
Wow - what a stellar write-up! Thank you! And yes I would have to agree with all your points re Shimano/Daiwa, as much as I'm a fan of Daiwa's designs they fall short in some key ways. Here's to hoping both Shimano USA and Aus comes to their senses and give us the Vanquish!
@@CookingandFishing Can't thankyou enough for uploading this video. A very unbiased and intelligent review!
Big fan of Shimano, Megabass and Daiwa, have been using their reels for years. Have picked up a few things over the years, seen and heard things about all kinds of Gear in tackle shops.
How great is it when tackle companies give you what you want and what works? Here's to hoping brother! Tight lines champ!
@@samasimOFsh Thank you!!!
I own three Stellas two SW and one 4000FK ,I’ve been a Shimano fan since my childhood and I still have to find a spinning reel that feels or performs better than Stella ,the only reel I take with me most of the time is the Stradic 1000HG just because of how light it is,not even to mention how smooth it feels and yet it doesn’t compare to Stella in anything except in weight
@@fisherman1353 The stradic is a kids reel compared to the vanquish... If I was high speed jigging or popping for GT or Tuna I would pick a Saltiga or Stella SW or other reels especially for line capacity, they don't make 8000 Vanquish but if they did it would still do the job... The vanquish is the new and improved Stella FK... I have a Stella FK and SW, Saltiga and a Dogfight, Maxel transformer, Maxel rage... None of which I would use for every day fishing all bullet proof reels but heavy and cumbersome to use... I can still catch big fish with the vanquish for my everyday fishing... I have used my saltiga dog fight a handful of times. Haven't put down the Vanquish since I've purchased it... I've put the same braid on my Shimano Cardiff are considered higher end reels in the stradic family. I don't consider the Shimano Cardiff anywhere in the class of a vanquish even if you fully decked the Cardiff with Shimano yumeya exclusive parts to make it lighter and smoother. I have a Cardiff fully decked out with yumeya exclusive parts and even then it still isn't as light or as functional because it doesn't have any of the new 23 or 24 Shimano spinning reel technologies included.
Unfortunately, someone stole one of my vanquish reels. So sad.
What!? Death is too lenient a sentence!
Very good video. Thank you.
Ty!!!
Hi all, wondering if anyone is able to help, I was thinking of buying a new fishing reel for my brother the Shimano vanquish C5000 - for river trout fishing - will this work? also what is the best fishing rod to go with this real as my understanding of it is that its super lightweight. Any help would be much appreciated!
Depending on the size of the fish i think the size is way to big. If the trout is from 1-8kg the 2500-3000 size should have enough power and Line for that. If you use thin braid. However if you need the capacity and the trout Are very large with a lot of current and you use mono, i think 4000 is Max u should use. Tight lines! ☺️
@@Kim-wc7un thanks so much for your advise! I really appreciate it. My brother fishes wild trout and from my very little understanding the fish is not particularly large however the rivers are of a difficult terrain and the trout is very hard to catch and he said the reels need to be strong which is why I thought of the 5000 reel
@@alidemsjadepends what rod he’s using tbh. But for trout usually 2000 size is about as big as people go.
I’m trying to pair a reel to my Yamaga blanks 84ML rod (128g). Do you think the C3000XG or C4000XG (or maybe the 3000MHG since I don’t really need more than 200M of PE1 line capacity) would pair well and be able to handle mostly 18-24” stripers well, sometimes bigger to 30” fish?
I have a 1000 23 vanquish that is great for UL trout fishing especially with light jigs, but it doesn’t feel the greatest under load with like 3.5-5g spoons. Do the bigger vanquish negate this effect since it’s a bigger body and gear?
I originally bought a 24 twin power 3000XG for this 84ML rod but I don’t enjoy the heavy start up inertia compared to my 24 certate Lt4000C that I have on my 10 ft Medium shimano dialuna rod.
I'm not familiar with Yamaga Blank rods but based on those specs I would get the 3000MHG, should be a nice fit
I find it funny how you just circle the fish with your kayak 😂
I've had a boater come check me out once thinking I was "in distress" lol - gotta keep that fish on your strong side!
I love my certate more than my exist
Not too much a fan of shimano in the smaller sizes
I like both, but as I explained in the video...salt + magseal...no bueno, for me anyway.
I used to be a Shimano guy . But honestly nothing compares to Daiwa . I started out Diawa , switched to Shimano then came back . Shimano fell off , reels aren’t as smooth or as built as Diawa . I have 10 year old Daiwas that I can sell for more than I paid for . You can’t do that with anything Shimano .
One who own SaltigaZ knows what are you talking about!!!😊
Since I also own 2020 Saltiga, it feel stronger than Stella but i cannot say that she is smoother.
Its the complete opposite, maybe you fish fresh water because its been the complete opposite for me and im never purchasing a daiwa again. They are the smoothest reels in the shop but once you start using them that does not last, my last daiwa purchase was a Certate LT 3000xh and i was really exited after all the praise it had been receiving. A month later and about 100lbs worth of calico bass and halibut, it became very very grindy and just horrible feeling. Sent it in for warrenty, they determined it was “user error” and charged me $80 for a new gear set. The exact same thing happend with my saltiga BJ 4000 as well. My twinpower FDs on the other hand are 4 years old and still feel just about new with much much more abuse and very little maintenance. My old daiwas are amazing but the new ones just dont hold up.
@@bft2840 that’s upsetting to hear . Yea I do fish fresh water but I do rebuild all my own gear. That being said I just picked up a certate lt 3000 for halibut . My last halibut reel was the old stradic never had an issue with that reel but this certate so far has been a huge upgrade . Fingers crossed no issues .
@@bft2840 same thing happens to me with Shimano. It's just from case to case...
@@user-xm8rf6ik7b i think the gear issue occurrs when you crank hard on them. it was especially noticeable after a day of wide open bonito from the peir, cranked maybe 20 up and by the end of the day it was literally grinding. Ive done the same exact thing with my fuego LT 1000 and Stradic FL with no issues. Land based shore fishing might be fine though for awhile.
Hello good sir🤩. What a video 🤩 what do you think 3000 or 2500 for sea trout fishing. I see online the drag is a little different. But the same body ?. I don’t get it
Yes for some reason JDM 2500 models come with a single drag washer vs 3000 models with a stack of 3 washers. Personally, I like more drag, not because I need it but bc it provides a greater range of drag force.
@@CookingandFishing then the 3000 model is in the way👌 Looking forward to catch some sea trout her on Smøla, in the middle of Norway 🇳🇴. Thank you for the advice 🔥
@@haakonww That would make the reel sing for sure - tight lines!!!
@@CookingandFishingWhat about the C3000 sizes ?
Super recenzja
Thank you!!!
Oh dang too late now I already bought the vanford
ain't nothing wrong with the Vanford!
👍👍👍👍👍exactly Stella No1 world...
Vanquish = Magnesium Alloy body
The “elastic” fin killed this reel. In 10 years those fins will be dried out and cracking. It’s a completely ridiculous gimmick
You know the fins are removeable and replaceable, in fact the reel comes with a replacement fin in the box.
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kinda cringe letting a bass take that much drag
5lb leader friendo 🤣
@@CookingandFishing it’s a bass tho
@@Sam-ql4um what's your point? A 5lb smallie on 5lb line is going to take a minute to land
@@CookingandFishing guess I don’t understand that style of fishing I dont see why you’d use such light line
@@Sam-ql4um these fish are heavily pressured and to get bit you have to downsize your leader, at least for the technique I'm using here. 5lb leader and tiny jigheads with #3 hooks = time to land.
dont recomend vanford to anyone.. shimanos most crap reel ever made
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@@CookingandFishing the ultegrais a better reel with better tolerance hand no handleplay, and quiet .. vanford feels good first day but give it 1 month with small blades and crankbait and6 month overall then all bearings are bad... lioneroller bearing went bad after 2 weeks..
@@CookingandFishing and inside the ultegra and vanford are the same.. just as suystain and stradic
Those are some hammer smallmouth
For my part of the country they certainly are 🥰