I have worked for 23 years in the oldest Toyota manufacturing plant in North America . TABC (Toyota Auto Body California), and I can assure you. That regardless of where your Toyota is built. Our commitment to customer first and build into quality with ownership is what drives us. We build your vehicles with you our customers in mind. There is a reason we are number 1. It is thanks to the loyalty of all of you and the commitment of our company to train our team members to the best practices of workmanship.
The sad part is since toyota has been implementing newer technology their reliability has dropped. According the studies, Mazda has taken over as number 1 in reliability. I hope they're wrong though. Only time will tell.
@@AnthonyChhan So Anthony, there is some truth in what you’re saying because whilst Mazda is a bit behind in engine mpg tech compared to Honda’s new I4 engines and 10 speed automatic transmissions; Mazda’s leg up in reliability is due to their stalwart 6 speed auto that is admittedly less smooth, 10 years older, and gets worse mpg. Even the ever dependable Toyota Corolla actually had new CVT problems on their first year, which of course the Mazda3 didn’t have because they’ve been using the same 6speed auto for 7+ years. In the pursuit of higher mpg’s both Toyota and Honda have faltered a bit in no nonsense reliability.
@@SilverScarletSpider thank you for the clarification. I am not a Mazda supporter, especially when they had that Ford partnership in the early 2000s, but I was surprised when I heard that they are reigning supreme for reliability today in many rankings. Hopefully Toyota and Honda can recapture the top spots again! I love my Honda Element!
I have no doubt that a Japanese factory in North America is run a lot different than an American factory in America. That Japanese culture is brought over into factories in North America. Consumer reports compared the quality of an Accord made in Japan to one made in Ohio back in the 1980s when that factory first opened and they said the quality was just as good with an Ohio Accord as one made in Japan. Still, I think a Japanese car made by Japanese workers would have a slight edge over one made my American workers. It is just a different culture over there and the level of pride in their work is higher
David, I worked with Japanese technicians for a year in the states. They were amongst the most serious professionals I've ever worked with very focused on quality.
I was stationed in Japan for over 3 years in the late 90’s. I spent a lot of time experiencing their culture and learned about the pride they take in their work as well as their work ethic. After years of traveling the world, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen such a work ethic. It wouldn’t surprise me if cars made in Japan are a little better in attention to detail. Not saying those made outside of Japan aren’t great, but it’s hard to compete with a culture driven by job pride and perfection.
@@flyingman358 I bought Toyota Crown made in japan, way better built quality than north american Toyota, just saying. I also bought CRV Hybrid made in north america, let's just say north american can't even stitch seat cover right! Honda can literally outsource stitch covering to China and it looks better than North American made, and possibly cheaper since it is outsourced to China. I am displeased with N American's craftmanship, you are definitely not having your grandfather's quality of workmanship!
Toyota has a pretty good record with quality control no matter where the vehicle is made. They determine the process and the way it is made to ensure it is as close as possible to the Japanese versions. It takes a person like you David with the knowledge and attention to the details to show us where the differences are. Like you said the average consumer would almost never know the difference. Thx for showing us how close they are getting over here and how much the Japanese auto workers still care about their work.
One of the main reason I prefer a Japan made car is that there are so many little parts you get that are also made in Japan and are consistently high quality. I'm sure there's not a huge difference in terms of fit and finish.
David, Toyota began building cars in North America in the 1980s. For decades the vast majority of Toyota vehicles sold in North America have been made in North America. The fact Toyota has managed to hold on to the top spot for reliability through the decades tells me all I need to know. 😁
TBH, the fact that Toyota and Honda is on the top spot is like an average chick among ugly chicks around. All other competitors really don't care about reliability much that it makes Toyota and Honda just do what they do and still beat reliability rating years over years!
@slothypunk that hurts. but GMC makes nice LOOKING vehicles. Also, the features are nice too. ummmm, not sure about reliability because I prefer Japanese all the way. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi
I bought a 2022 Canadian built RAV4 about 7 months ago and have been wondering about this. Glad to hear there's very little quality difference between Japanese/North American vehicles. I've been really impressed with the fit and finish of my RAV4 as well as the solidity and refined feel (driveline, switchgear, etc.) of everything.
@@jerryp2433 for 20 years I had a 1996 Honda Accord / made in USA, a bulletproof car for the most part. Maybe that was the golden era of solid simple manufacturing!
@@j_freed cars got heavier and engines got more powerful with less metal and transmissions became belt driven and more complex (smaller parts). Something is going to give. Lol.
I have a 2014 Lexus is300h FSport in pearl white here in Ireland and obviously built in Japan 🇯🇵, I must say the gloss of the paint still amazes me how shiny it still is..
My Japan-built Toyota Mark X is also in pearl white. I got rear-ended at slow speed by a meth-head and I almost cry whenever I see the difference between the rear bumper repaint and the rest of the factory body paint. The factory paint looks like star-lit cloudless night sky and the repaint after a few months looks like a gloomy winter day sky! OK let me stop before I cry
After over 30 years of being a Toyota owner, observer and after detailed analysis, I also come up with same conclusion in that the Japan produced vehicles have high quality than the vehicles produced outside of Japan.
Here in Europe Toyota is known to be good when the cars come from Japan with Japanese components, the models made in East Europe are equal or worst that European brands constructed in Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, France or Italy. Quality control of parts is in average better but a car isn't only reliability, in other words a better suspension is also quality, a better design and style is also quality, a better interior coating is also quality. Resuming quality to a simple choose components that need less maintenance is good for people that want a car to go A to B a nothing more but there is markets that overvalue this and that's the main reason Toyota sell better than anyone in some planet regions. We all know that innovation and performance are risky moves but is that was give emotion to cars and that's the main reason why European cars are more emotional and appreciated to petrolheads.
I agree, but my conclusion comes from owning an Acura RSX and Honda CR-Z both made in Japan, versus my dad's Honda Accord V6 made in Ohio. The body gaps were larger in the Accord, and paint superior on the Japanese Hondas. The CR-Z and Accord was both silver. The Toyota paint description resembled my observations on the Hondas.
Agreed One thing to point though about the gaps measures, if you measure the left wing gap on one car then should be measured the left wing of the other car and not the right one, because there always can be a difference between L and R
Thanks for the video. I have a Canadian made Rav4 so this was interesting to see. Glad to know the quality level is still high in comparison to the Japan made Rav4.
@@AutomotivePress THANK YOU!! EXCELLENT JOB AND GREATLY APPRECIATE SIR!! Have you heard anything about the corrosion problems on the high voltage power cable on the RAV4 Prime? There is lots of information on it (actually, its my understanding there is class action litigation on it here in the USA) on the RAV4 Prime forums. I was wondering if that issue has been solved for the 2023/2024 models? If so, what is the current solution? I live in Michigan (gets cold and snowy), am looking VERY SERIOUSLY at a RAV4 Prime and would LOVE to hear your thoughts. THANK YOU!
I have worked for Toyota/Lexus in Canada for over 32 years. I believe both vehicles are very good. I do agree Japanese vehicles tend to be a little better. Visiting Japan many times, I definitively know for a fact, the production workers and Engineers in Japan are top notch. But the main weakness for North American built vehicles (albeit small) are the part suppliers. Getting Toyota quality standards, consistently from North American suppliers is very difficult. From what I have seen This is the main difference. On a side note. I have never ever seen any Toyota with a body gap spec target of 5mm Toyota is mostly 3 ± 1.5mm. The Rav hood design is a little wonky. Lexus is even tighter. Nice review and video. Keep up the good work.
Consumer Reports reported on these two cars that the Prime is more upscale than the regular hybrid/gas models. So I would expect the interior to be nicer on the Prime than any other model. Still an interesting comparison.
I don't know much about Toyotas but I've own Subarus made in Japan and US. The ones made in Japan has (Forresters) all been rock solid, while the ones made in the US (Outbacks) has been hit and miss. Right now if I were to get another Subaru Made in Japan is absolutely a must for me.
As a repair technician, the better question is: which one is easier to get parts for? We had a Japan-built model (forget the specifics) we needed to wait almost a month for a window regulator and rear springs, both of which we could have had next day for the North American built model.
Wow David what an amazing content! It’s great you can get such a comparison that we all wanted!!! I’m impressed with the Japanese quality but also Toyotas quality in general overseas. There is a difference between the two. Japanese craftsmanship is phenomenal. This video just proves that.
You have a very calming voice. Very pleasant to listen to you! very interesting subject for someone like me who doesn't really know this world! Thank you to show me a new perspective!
Bought a 2021 rav4 prime…your comments on product launch are spot on…this car has been fantastic no issues at all….incredible for first year in production
Сongratulations on your purchase. I bought rav4 plug in hybrid (to the American market called prime) in 2022. Waiting for the car 4 months in our country. For our market (Toyota Europe) rav4 comes only in Japanese assembly. The level of fit of parts both outside and inside makes me very happy (of course, Audi will have a better interior finish, but the price is higher there). The dynamics are amazing, did not expect from car. Fuel consumption pleases. It seems to me that I go to the gas station much less often. So far everything looks great.
As the owner of a 2023 RAV4 PRIME I can state that the build quality is outstanding, not a single rattle or squeak, tracks dead straight on the freeway with the steering wheel dead center with fit and finish top notch. They are truly over achievers.
Thank you for this in-depth analysis. Still given the opportunity to purchase vehicles, I would still purchase the Japanese built Toyota due to their persistent and enduring work ethic, Ravi Peiris M.D.
Seems like you've made some assumptions about the enduring work ethic of Toyota's employees in North America, Doc. I've toured their factories and I recommend it for you too!
Hi David, These by far are my favorite videos that you do when you compare the quality control from Japan to the quality control of North America, including Mexico, United States, and Canada. I am biased towards Japanese craftsmanship & I appreciate the hard work of the Takumi craftsmanship… in my opinion it’s the best in the world…. My face. My favorite examples of Takumi craftsmanship vehicles are the LX 570 the GX 460 and the LC 500. The Tahara factory and the Moto Machi factory are my favorites. I hope I get to visit them and go there at some time in my life. Thank you. David, your videos are like the LC 500 pretty much flawless. Respectfully Submitted, JimmyUSAF 🇺🇸🙏✝️💜⭐️🌎🇨🇦🇯🇵🇮🇹
First of all, highly appreciate all what went into the production of this quality episode. For me what matters is consistency. Even a tiny fraction of numbers is worth considering. I was able to tell the difference between the two cars and which is which even before you started the examination and the explanation. If anyone here might have the chance to visit Japan he or she will understand that Japan is out of this world and how Japanese highly appreciate themselves with regards to people and culture and whatever belongs to Japan (it is all about appreciation and belonging). Thus, any Japanese entity who desires to make anything for Japan must consider what was previously mentioned.
Next time, try to get one from Kentucky (TMMK), our 2022 Rav4 Hybrid Limited had tons of rattles inside at first, fortunately after a few hundred miles they went away. Only one rattle left, by the B-pillar / driver seat belt on rough roads. 13K miles trouble free and avg 41.7 mpg at the pump!
Thank you David, this is what i found when i worked for Volvo in Canada back in the late 80's, cars built in Sweden were marginally better than those built in Halifax, Nova Scotia and the differences were mainly panel gaps/squeaks and rattles, all components at the time were made and shipped from Sweden back then , and paint fit/finish were basically as your just described in the Rav4 comparison , the Japanese employees have more years of experience than the Ontario staff, I believe knowing allot of Japanese people myself there is more the idea of always put your honest effort into what you do each and every time you do this task, even to the point of over doing things sometimes, alas as you said the average person/buyer won't know or care and it was the same with my old Volvo customers to, great video 👍
We have two Rav 4s, a 19 and a 22. The 19 was made in Japan and the 22 was made in Canada. I have not found any difference between the two. We also owned a Corolla for 18 years, and it was made in Canada. We never had a problem with the Corolla. I have also experienced several Lexus cars over the years and all of them had exceptional quality.
I agree with your assessments after years of personal experience I am biased toward Japanese production consistency. I'll never forget the impression I had after living in Japan for 2 years and coming back to the states and seeing the newly released movie GungHo I'm glad that Toyota sends Japanese to teach gaijin factories and hold them to the same standards.
The problem doesn't lie in the build quality. Any differences will be in the quality of individual parts. Parts made and sourced in Japan are of extremely good quality while in other parts of the world they can vary because the local manufacturers will be under pressure on price so they never match Japanese quality. All the rubber and plastic parts on my Japanese toyota last up to 20 years while I've replaced many rubber boots etc on my Australian made toyota after as little as 7 years.
I'm glad for you that you waited for your RAV4. I have been waiting for my RAV4 plug in 2022 for a long time due to the disruption of logistics by Russian aggression
My dad is still driving his 1989 Toyota van built in Japan. Incredibly reliable, except the the usual rotting rubber and a few minor oil leaks here and there.
I still have my 2016 Lexus RX 350 (Made in Ontario, CA) and it's been perfect in every way. The fit & finish is still incredible and it's only had regular maintenance; i.e. oil changes, a battery, tires, etc. It still looks & drives like new. The 4th Gen RX model ran from 2016-2022, so people still think it's much newer than it actually is. I like that it's got the super reliable, naturally aspirated 3.5L V6 engine (no turbos). The 2023 models went to turbo 4-bangers.
I have a 2018 Tacoma made in NA that has had 0 issues, and I'm 100% pleased with. Now to the Rav4. We HAD a NA made 2021 Rav4 XLE premium that was totaled in a 2 car accident with 32000 miles on it. My wife claimed it saved her life! We replaced it with a 2023 Rav4 XLE premium that's ofJapanese manufacturer. I would be very hard pressed to show you a difference between the two, but my wife swears the new one drives better, I can't tell a difference in the driving. I do think it's a little quieter for some reason, but I've experienced more difference in sound from a tire change.
You're reviews are great to watch. I have a 2023 4 runner TRD pro the solar octane paint quality looks really good. My only disappointment it's the tailgate gaps aren't even. it's my third 4Runner and I never noticed that on the other two
As an owner of five Toyotas over the years, starting from my 1987 4Runner, and now the owner of a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid AWD built in Canada, I recommend meticulous upkeep and gentle driving of any make or model vehicle to insure long life and reliability. I believe lemons can be had from any brand, but fewer come from Toyota.
Monozukuri is a very true and beautiful thing. The way that Japanese people understand and think about crafting/manufacturing is different than most places in the world. That is why the craftsmanship of almost everything made in Japan will be of the best quality. Americans(Canadians too), have some of that mentality when they put their mind to it and focus on the job at hand. It's not a way of life for most North Americans to consider that same quality throughout everything they do at home or at work. Sometimes, distractions at home cause the work to be less than top notch. It's still great quality, because the design is good. It's just not done as precise as it could be. I, myself prefer a Japan made anything, be it a tool, vehicle, or kitchen utensil. Next up would be American made. Then German, and the list goes on. Great video!
I have a 2008 Corolla and a 2015 Rav4 both made in Japan and I have encountered 0 problems with them and love them both deeply. Hopefully the trend continues on my next car, hopefully a Toyota (or maybe a Lexus) made in Japan. If not that, then I do trust the engineers of Canada
Thank you! Great video. My 2020 RX350L from Japan rattles a lot more than my 2004 ES330, also from Japan, as of now. LOL. Other than that, everything is top-notch by Toyota Japan. As long as the vehicle is reliable and doesn't stop on the freeway, I am happy! I don't care much about where it comes from anymore.
Honestly...this video report is one of the most amazing reports ever. thank you very much for this effort, and I hope you will continue to give.. and thanks Toyota for its sincere customer service and product quality..🇯🇵❤
Thanks. I measured the gaps between panels on 2006 Camry and Accord when I purchased my 06 camry and my friend got his 06 Accord. The gaps on Accord were obvious smaller.
I purchased a 2021 RAV4 XLE Premium (gas version) built in the Cambridge ON plant. Vehicle was bought April 29/2021 and currently only has 11500 kms on it! It has developed a terrible rattle around the back liftgate area. Couldn't handle it any longer so I took it to the dealership and they were able to identify that two trim pieces on the two upper corners of the lift gate had failed and needed to be replaced. The parts were ordered and replaced last week which has helped but they indicated during that repair that both lift gate struts have failed and need to be replaced which are now on back order. I'm not very impressed with a relatively new car with with only 11500 kms having these kind of build quality issues. This is my first and maybe my last Toyota product.
I've had a much different experience with Toyota reliability and so far haven't had any issues after many, many more miles. Good luck with the other automakers 👍
@@ytj22 In all reality, once I get by this current issue of the lift gate struts bring replaced and get it quieted down a bit, I will no doubt keep it for the long haul. I really do like everything else about the RAV4! I did my research and bought it for the long term reliability. Didn't want 100% direct injection, CVT or any turbocharging, so as a long term owner, Toyota checked all the boxes!! I guess I was just venting due to these early problems, because I hate squeaks and rattles in my automobiles!!!
@@ronripley9197 I felt that the Toyota ticked all the boxes for me too. I suppose I shouldn't say I haven't had any rattles, there may be one or two, but reliability has been bulletproof.
I"m telling you...Japanese built from Japan is way better!! I had the same issue with my 2019 rav4 Adventure and many other little issues......got rid of it and now have a 2021 Rav4 from Japan....no issues!!
I have owned a Camry and a Tacoma. Both lasted well but both had significant rattles. Toyota cars are generally reliable but prone to poor bodies, cheap interiors and rattling
David, if the gap is wider on the Canadian RAV4, and the gaps are symmetrical (same gap on both sides in the case of the hood and tailgate), then the hood and hatch are actually *smaller* than the Japanese one. Does this make sense? If I'm correct, this says to me that Toyota trusts the Japanese assembly line to align panels to a higher standard than the Canadian RAV4 line. Very interesting video!!! Thank you for making it for us!! (My last thought is that these cars represent only two data points - but I don't doubt your conclusion at all!)
Yes I’d like to know this too. In the case of the hood, I guess it just sits a mm lower but the doors, are the Canadian ones smaller or is the door frame bigger?
Good video! Anyone with R&D, auto manufacturing, engineering or build quality knowledge will appreciate these videos. There is a difference in build quality. Wait until you compare gaps with Mexico built trucks/cars.
Recently bought and sold a Honda Fit that had been made in Mexico. It had so many annoying problems and rattles and screwy issues. I just ordered a RAV4 from a dealership and got one with a J VIN. I’m very happy about that.
Mississippi built Corolla 2017 SE model zero issues, not even brakes changed yet at 75,000 miles. Not bad considering the vehicle will be paid off in June 2023. Tons of life left to go in it. It also saved our lives. We live in NH now yet when living in Texas my wife passed out behind the wheel. We were going 75mph on the interstate with the dynamic radar cruise on which did braking and gas for us for three minutes she was out. I pushed the hazards on and steered from the passenger side. Couldn’t shut off the cruise due to a lack of good shoulder in that area. She finally awoke and was able to pull over. I was so impressed I wrote Toyota to thank them. I think they have good overall standards like he states that the brand is solid to buy. I’ve owned various models and none have ever let me down.
Dang....why and how did your wife pass out behind the wheel of the car? Due to sleepiness ?? I"m glad you guy's got lucky and made it out alive! God bless Toyota's from Japan still!
@@bigfootswatching9986 Yeah my wife had a medical episode which made her pass out. What was wild is if another car pulled in front of us quick the car itself noticed and slowed down then sped up later when it was safe. Worked flawless.
I am still hanging on to my 2004 Acura TL and I can 't tell you how many people say how good the paint job has held the gloss and newish looks. Yeah, the dashboard cracked years ago and the drivers side seat is starting to rip. But as far as the way it drives and how good the engine has held up, I am very pleased because this car was built in Japan. I think those dashboards cracked because of the glue they used for the 3rd generation but this car is just a machine.
I have a 2015 RAV4 Limited and 2016 Prius Touring both made in Japan. Both of them have never had any quality issues and continue to look new for the age. 😊
I can honestly tell you from my experience when I purchased the new 2019 Rav-4 Adventure which was built in Canada....man this thing had nothing but issues! Automatic Trunk lift gate would stop working periodically, electrical issues flickering, certain panel's were just latched on and felt like the build quality was just poor! I got rid of it and puchased the new 2021 Rav4 built in Japan....and let me tell you...... looking at the build quality was just different! Never had any issues with it.... overall i'm a firm believer Japanese built vehicles are put together way better due to the workers serious work ethics and pride!
My mother’s 2010 Lexus rx is built in Canada. It now has been passed to my niece. 218k miles later, not a rattle nor a problem. My 2015 sienna is the same with less miles. It’s a Toyota folks; it doesn’t matter where it’s built. The fact is . . . It’s BUIlT! Drive it and enjoy it.
My 2017 hybrid Camry, which was built in North America and was extremely impressive. The build quality. No squeaks and rattles excellent ride excellent car. I felt like I was driving a Lexus and it was just an le model
Not only for cars. There’s also a good reason why true Katanas can only be made in Japan. This says a lot about the remarkable talent of Japanese craftsmen and how they apply the same principles in every craft that they do.
At least Toyota kept the quality of manufacturing in North America up to their high standard and, from what I know their engineers continuously supervise the process of each part as it's being made, no matter which third party manufacture they picked. Serious about keeping their reputation.
I, too, thought Lexus / Toyota made in Japan have better fit and finish. This is evident in the family LS500h (2018) and GS450h (2013) - previously, we had an RX450h (2018) made in Ontario, and the little details were 'whispering' and my OCD always kicked in. Have had great experience just the same with all our Toyota vehicles since 2006! Great reliability and carefree driving. Thank you for this review, David.
I have 21 RAV4 made in Canada it’s my first Toyota n had it for a month I don’t have any issues with it ! I like the white color on both of those RAV4s n my RAV4 is in the ruby flare pearl 😮😊
So, really, the Canadian and Japanese models are so similar in the standard of construction as to make no real difference between them. To me, the mechanical functioning is much more important than aesthetics and ergonomics, so would you think about doing a video about the quality of the Canadian and Japanese built RAV4s from that viewpoint?
It is a different culture in Japan. They are very quality conscience and they take pride in their work. I am retired from a company that exported to Japan and they would inspect the shipment before they unloaded the boat. If they found something they didn't like, they would sen the entire shipment back
I order things from Japan or sometimes, get them in the USA as there are a few locally. The packaging from Japan is usually top notch and any damage in shipment, did not come happen over there.
Subaru really embraced north American production. Most of their cars are domestic, but I’m sooo happy they still make their performance cars in Japan. My BRZ has been flawless so far (granted, very very new so far) and fit and finish is absolutely outstanding
Owned 2 Hondas one made in Swinton, England, the other Marysville, Ohio. Both went over 270 thousand miles with little to no problems. Japanese quality is contagious
Interesting and good video. Just picked up a 2023 Corolla LE here in the US. I noticed the first few cars of any new model year are built in Japan. So, mine is a J VIN. No rattles or squeaks. Overall fit and finish is excellent. However, when I took delivery the steering wheel was slightly off-center. That may have been caused by the long transport and being tied down. Also, I noticed the trunk is difficult to close. That may have nothing to do with the factory location. Anyway, hoping the quality is long lasting.
It is nice to see that the North American built vehicle is at least consistent. I am not surprised that the paint is thicker on the North American vehicle as it is commonly reported on that Japanese built vehicle have thinner paint and clear coat finishes.
I had a European made Rav4 XA50 and now a Japanese made Rav4. The first thing I notice is how the doors close. The Japanese are better balanced. You can fix the doors position and they close softer. The second difference is the interior leather. On the Japanes, the quality is better, on the Europeans it looks more like a kind of eco-leather. In general, the European model resembles a Lego constructor, where every detail lives on its own. After 60k Km, plastic creaks in the cabin. On the Japanese, I also drove 60k km and the car is less noisy in the cabin. In general, it is felt that the car is more solid, and the build quality is higher.
No XA50 has been made in Europe. They used to come from StPetersburg, not anymore for obvious reasons. Not sure where the hybrids come from now, the phev all come from Japan.
@@vongolavorace In Europe, the XA50 was produced from 2019 to 2022 at the Toyota plant in St. Petersburg. The plant produced a large number of cars for export. After stopping production and limiting the supply of new cars to local dealers from Japan, many buyers began to buy Rav4 and other cars in the UAE, Korea, US and Canada markets, buying them without a warranty and clearing them themselves.
Hi,David your 100% right.from 1991 Toyota previa made in Japan 2000 Lexus gas 400 Japan 2006 Lexus es300 Japan best quality built.2023 I just purchased Mitsubishi eclipse cross made in Japan. Japanese are very serious about their work.❤ my couple of friends working on Toyota Plant, Woodstock, Ontario, and I know how they serious about the workmanship.
David, if you have the opportunity to go to mainland China, I suggest doing a comparison of the production process and quality of the RAV4 produced by FAW Toyota and GAC Toyota. There is a saying that Toyota has to lower the quality in order to meet the profit requirements of the Chinese side.
Friend and I got a Corolla in 2017, brand new. We both had gotten an SE model and little did we know we got one built from Japan and one built from the US. They have both been extremely reliable however I have noticed a bit more rattling on my interior. Yet I have 42000 miles, he has about 68000 miles. His car still sounds quieter by a margin and I'm jealous lol. Mine happened to be built in Mississippi.
I dont know why toyota is not making rear camera as standard for all SUVs, its ilogical, high rear visibility obviously needs it. Nice review! Good job!
@@MrPablo1973. You are still talking about North America. It would be nice if the gentleman who posted this comment would say what country he lives in.
Great review. We have a 2020 RAV 4 XLE here in Canada. My wife and I have questioned the build quality from time to time. 1) Seatbelt rattle on both sides on the adjustables 2) Power passenger window quit 3) Driver side windows sometimes will go down halfway when putting the window all the way up 4) Dash rattle 5) maps light assembly rattles 6) The folddown rear seat broke , so I am now left up 7) Backup camera leak, so image is all blurred 8) black paint chips are easy 9) The driver side door has to be slammed and does not close with conviction 10) Fuel light comes on at 25, and as low as 18km left. So, question this Canadian built car.
Another notable difference: Japanese built RAV4 has access cover to allow for a front tow hook to be threaded on. The threaded tow hook in included in the bag with the lug nut wrench kit. The Canadian built RAV4s do not have this.
I'll always pick J-VIN given a choice because I know that the Japanese workers are making it their personal mission to do their best every time, and to become better. They also have a great deal of pride when they're working for Toyota/Lexus, because it shows that they (Japanese) can make quality cars that rival and/or exceed the competition. The Germans may build faster and sportier cars, but Toyota/Lexus will outlast them by a huge margin.
Great video. I wonder if the differences are due to the numbers that each plant are producing and how quickly the Canadian plant is having to put out to keep up with demand for the hybrid compared to the Prime version.
Quality should never be compromised for Quantity. Besides, the factory in Japan is probably working just as busy cranking out Primes for the Global market
I think there is a cultural component to this. The workers are innately obsessive about symmetry and quality control. They would inspect it and never allow a product with panel gaps to leave the floor. It would bring such embarrassment to the individuals and the company as a whole.
As an Auto Engineer, can you do a video on what actually changes in the car from the first produced car of a model year to the last produced car of the same model year? The CarCareNut channel always says to wait 8 months if you're buying a first model year of a new generation, and we are all curious as to why. Adjacently, is there any real difference between the last produced car of a previous model year and the first produced car of the next model year for the first two years of a new generation model?
I think it has to do with numbers of recalls and common issues warned by Toyota internally as well as their work experience which can be different since he lives in the rust belt.
I would like to see this kind of comparison with newer plants in emerging mkt e.g. Brasil, Vietnam, Thailand, compared to Japanese and NA built Toyotas 🙏🏻
14 RX Canadian built and 18 GS Japan built owner here. Apples and oranges comparison but, I do notice the GS has a slightly better fit and finish than my RX. I've often wondered what makes the finish slightly better on a Japan built Toyota/Lexus?! Finish does vary from one unit to the other down the production line I'd assume but I still wonder what minute paint process typically makes a Japanese unit a better finish?! I thoroughly love my Lexus units vs. the domestic cars I've driven all my life.I will remain Lexus loyal for now on.
A Corolla from Blue Springs vs a Corolla from Aichi would be an interesting comparison. I am reluctant to buy one originating from Blue Springs but that is all that seems to be in inventory lately.
Great video. A question some of the new Lexus NX cars that was launched in 2021 had some issues where some welding points was missed and the information is limited but in forums some have said that it was cars made in Ontario that had this issue, I got an NX myself but it was not effected.
I have worked for 23 years in the oldest Toyota manufacturing plant in North America . TABC (Toyota Auto Body California), and I can assure you. That regardless of where your Toyota is built. Our commitment to customer first and build into quality with ownership is what drives us. We build your vehicles with you our customers in mind. There is a reason we are number 1. It is thanks to the loyalty of all of you and the commitment of our company to train our team members to the best practices of workmanship.
This is why Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Lexus, and Acura are the best cars 👍 reliable, affordable, durable.
The sad part is since toyota has been implementing newer technology their reliability has dropped. According the studies, Mazda has taken over as number 1 in reliability. I hope they're wrong though. Only time will tell.
@@AnthonyChhan So Anthony, there is some truth in what you’re saying because whilst Mazda is a bit behind in engine mpg tech compared to Honda’s new I4 engines and 10 speed automatic transmissions; Mazda’s leg up in reliability is due to their stalwart 6 speed auto that is admittedly less smooth, 10 years older, and gets worse mpg. Even the ever dependable Toyota Corolla actually had new CVT problems on their first year, which of course the Mazda3 didn’t have because they’ve been using the same 6speed auto for 7+ years. In the pursuit of higher mpg’s both Toyota and Honda have faltered a bit in no nonsense reliability.
@@SilverScarletSpider thank you for the clarification. I am not a Mazda supporter, especially when they had that Ford partnership in the early 2000s, but I was surprised when I heard that they are reigning supreme for reliability today in many rankings. Hopefully Toyota and Honda can recapture the top spots again! I love my Honda Element!
I have no doubt that a Japanese factory in North America is run a lot different than an American factory in America. That Japanese culture is brought over into factories in North America. Consumer reports compared the quality of an Accord made in Japan to one made in Ohio back in the 1980s when that factory first opened and they said the quality was just as good with an Ohio Accord as one made in Japan. Still, I think a Japanese car made by Japanese workers would have a slight edge over one made my American workers. It is just a different culture over there and the level of pride in their work is higher
David, I worked with Japanese technicians for a year in the states. They were amongst the most serious professionals I've ever worked with very focused on quality.
Nowadays Japanese only plays cartoon than focusing on quality
@@flyingman358plays cartoons? Lol. Your mean video games? So Americans don’t play video games?
I was stationed in Japan for over 3 years in the late 90’s. I spent a lot of time experiencing their culture and learned about the pride they take in their work as well as their work ethic. After years of traveling the world, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen such a work ethic. It wouldn’t surprise me if cars made in Japan are a little better in attention to detail. Not saying those made outside of Japan aren’t great, but it’s hard to compete with a culture driven by job pride and perfection.
@@ruggedindsoup2135 Japan made Toyota 2azfe engine is nightmare for the world
@@flyingman358 I bought Toyota Crown made in japan, way better built quality than north american Toyota, just saying. I also bought CRV Hybrid made in north america, let's just say north american can't even stitch seat cover right! Honda can literally outsource stitch covering to China and it looks better than North American made, and possibly cheaper since it is outsourced to China. I am displeased with N American's craftmanship, you are definitely not having your grandfather's quality of workmanship!
Toyota has a pretty good record with quality control no matter where the vehicle is made. They determine the process and the way it is made to ensure it is as close as possible to the Japanese versions. It takes a person like you David with the knowledge and attention to the details to show us where the differences are. Like you said the average consumer would almost never know the difference. Thx for showing us how close they are getting over here and how much the Japanese auto workers still care about their work.
One of the main reason I prefer a Japan made car is that there are so many little parts you get that are also made in Japan and are consistently high quality. I'm sure there's not a huge difference in terms of fit and finish.
idk about american made one but canadian made are junk
mine is made in Canada. let see how it goes ehh
I disagree. You must have not seen Pakistani made Toyota Corollas
@@TimPool-b8z why? Is it do good?
David, Toyota began building cars in North America in the 1980s. For decades the vast majority of Toyota vehicles sold in North America have been made in North America. The fact Toyota has managed to hold on to the top spot for reliability through the decades tells me all I need to know. 😁
TBH, the fact that Toyota and Honda is on the top spot is like an average chick among ugly chicks around. All other competitors really don't care about reliability much that it makes Toyota and Honda just do what they do and still beat reliability rating years over years!
@@slothypunk you probably know Toyota for corolla camry etc only but they also produce shit where your top notch bitches can't even stand around
@slothypunk
that hurts.
but GMC makes nice LOOKING vehicles. Also, the features are nice too. ummmm, not sure about reliability because I prefer Japanese all the way.
Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi
@@ericolens3nissan is trash
I bought a 2022 Canadian built RAV4 about 7 months ago and have been wondering about this. Glad to hear there's very little quality difference between Japanese/North American vehicles. I've been really impressed with the fit and finish of my RAV4 as well as the solidity and refined feel (driveline, switchgear, etc.) of everything.
Canadians are actually known to build good cars. Not like Mexico or the US. The legendary Windsor came from the Ontario Plant.
@JERRY P Actually, in Canada I've seen them using rusted parts in the factory, and higher quality parts are sent to US
@@pranaym3859 well I guess I was wrong. Just found out that the Chevy Equinox is also built in Canada. That thing is a POS. Lol
@@jerryp2433 for 20 years I had a 1996 Honda Accord / made in USA, a bulletproof car for the most part. Maybe that was the golden era of solid simple manufacturing!
@@j_freed cars got heavier and engines got more powerful with less metal and transmissions became belt driven and more complex (smaller parts). Something is going to give. Lol.
I have a 2014 Lexus is300h FSport in pearl white here in Ireland and obviously built in Japan 🇯🇵, I must say the gloss of the paint still amazes me how shiny it still is..
My Japan-built Toyota Mark X is also in pearl white. I got rear-ended at slow speed by a meth-head and I almost cry whenever I see the difference between the rear bumper repaint and the rest of the factory body paint. The factory paint looks like star-lit cloudless night sky and the repaint after a few months looks like a gloomy winter day sky! OK let me stop before I cry
After over 30 years of being a Toyota owner, observer and after detailed analysis, I also come up with same conclusion in that the Japan produced vehicles have high quality than the vehicles produced outside of Japan.
Have you published the detailed analysis anywhere so it can be viewed? Would be very interested, thanks!
Here in Europe Toyota is known to be good when the cars come from Japan with Japanese components, the models made in East Europe are equal or worst that European brands constructed in Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, France or Italy.
Quality control of parts is in average better but a car isn't only reliability, in other words a better suspension is also quality, a better design and style is also quality, a better interior coating is also quality.
Resuming quality to a simple choose components that need less maintenance is good for people that want a car to go A to B a nothing more but there is markets that overvalue this and that's the main reason Toyota sell better than anyone in some planet regions.
We all know that innovation and performance are risky moves but is that was give emotion to cars and that's the main reason why European cars are more emotional and appreciated to petrolheads.
@carlosgilpinheiro7510 very true analysis...
Is it as trivial as the supposed “10% better” that is claimed here (and unobservable)?
I agree, but my conclusion comes from owning an Acura RSX and Honda CR-Z both made in Japan, versus my dad's Honda Accord V6 made in Ohio. The body gaps were larger in the Accord, and paint superior on the Japanese Hondas. The CR-Z and Accord was both silver. The Toyota paint description resembled my observations on the Hondas.
Agreed
One thing to point though about the gaps measures, if you measure the left wing gap on one car then should be measured the left wing of the other car and not the right one, because there always can be a difference between L and R
I absolutely love these videos David, many thanks, keep up the great content!
Glad you like them! Thank you
Thanks for the video. I have a Canadian made Rav4 so this was interesting to see. Glad to know the quality level is still high in comparison to the Japan made Rav4.
Thanks for watching!
@@AutomotivePress THANK YOU!! EXCELLENT JOB AND GREATLY APPRECIATE SIR!! Have you heard anything about the corrosion problems on the high voltage power cable on the RAV4 Prime? There is lots of information on it (actually, its my understanding there is class action litigation on it here in the USA) on the RAV4 Prime forums. I was wondering if that issue has been solved for the 2023/2024 models? If so, what is the current solution? I live in Michigan (gets cold and snowy), am looking VERY SERIOUSLY at a RAV4 Prime and would LOVE to hear your thoughts. THANK YOU!
I have worked for Toyota/Lexus in Canada for over 32 years. I believe both vehicles are very good. I do agree Japanese vehicles tend to be a little better. Visiting Japan many times, I definitively know for a fact, the production workers and Engineers in Japan are top notch. But the main weakness for North American built vehicles (albeit small) are the part suppliers. Getting Toyota quality standards, consistently from North American suppliers is very difficult. From what I have seen This is the main difference.
On a side note. I have never ever seen any Toyota with a body gap spec target of 5mm Toyota is mostly 3 ± 1.5mm.
The Rav hood design is a little wonky. Lexus is even tighter. Nice review and video. Keep up the good work.
This, my thoughts exactly
what department are u in?
Consumer Reports reported on these two cars that the Prime is more upscale than the regular hybrid/gas models. So I would expect the interior to be nicer on the Prime than any other model. Still an interesting comparison.
I don't know much about Toyotas but I've own Subarus made in Japan and US. The ones made in Japan has (Forresters) all been rock solid, while the ones made in the US (Outbacks) has been hit and miss. Right now if I were to get another Subaru Made in Japan is absolutely a must for me.
Checking body panels is fine. The bigger question is engine, transmission, and electrical systems.
Yup! That’s what I wanna know! Who cares about the rest!
As a repair technician, the better question is: which one is easier to get parts for? We had a Japan-built model (forget the specifics) we needed to wait almost a month for a window regulator and rear springs, both of which we could have had next day for the North American built model.
They use the same parts? Vehicles built in different plants don't use different parts.
Different part numbers?
Yeah, just order the parts and compare them, 99.9% of the time they are the exact same part and everything lines up and work the same
@@shoersayes, they are different part numbers but exactly the same part
My Corolla Hatchback was manufactured in Japan and it is great! No issues at all and the quality is top notch!
Mine as well!
Wow David what an amazing content! It’s great you can get such a comparison that we all wanted!!! I’m impressed with the Japanese quality but also Toyotas quality in general overseas. There is a difference between the two. Japanese craftsmanship is phenomenal. This video just proves that.
You have a very calming voice. Very pleasant to listen to you! very interesting subject for someone like me who doesn't really know this world! Thank you to show me a new perspective!
This is a great concept for a video. Much more interesting than most other car videos
Bought a 2021 rav4 prime…your comments on product launch are spot on…this car has been fantastic no issues at all….incredible for first year in production
Сongratulations on your purchase.
I bought rav4 plug in hybrid (to the American market called prime) in 2022. Waiting for the car 4 months in our country. For our market (Toyota Europe) rav4 comes only in Japanese assembly. The level of fit of parts both outside and inside makes me very happy (of course, Audi will have a better interior finish, but the price is higher there). The dynamics are amazing, did not expect from car. Fuel consumption pleases. It seems to me that I go to the gas station much less often. So far everything looks great.
David, your videos are fantastic! I really enjoy them and appreciate how informative they are.
Glad you like them!
As the owner of a 2023 RAV4 PRIME I can state that the build quality is outstanding, not a single rattle or squeak, tracks dead straight on the freeway with the steering wheel dead center with fit and finish top notch. They are truly over achievers.
Thank you for this in-depth analysis. Still given the opportunity to purchase vehicles, I would still purchase the Japanese built Toyota due to their persistent and enduring work ethic,
Ravi Peiris M.D.
Seems like you've made some assumptions about the enduring work ethic of Toyota's employees in North America, Doc. I've toured their factories and I recommend it for you too!
My previous Model Y was made in the USA, after 7 visits to the service center and rattles from the trunk area I ended up selling the Tesla.
Teslas quality has gotten a lot better!
@Phillip Banes Where is Made in the USA at then? If it has nothing to do with the country. You don't make sense.
that is gonna happen with all Tesla regardless of where it's built lol
@@grahfkarate1799 Why were there quality problems in the first place? Shouldn’t these problems have been caught during assembly?
Your model Y probably built on Monday morning or Friday afternoon 😂
Hi David,
These by far are my favorite videos that you do when you compare the quality control from Japan to the quality control of North America, including Mexico, United States, and Canada. I am biased towards Japanese craftsmanship & I appreciate the hard work of the Takumi craftsmanship… in my opinion it’s the best in the world…. My face. My favorite examples of Takumi craftsmanship vehicles are the LX 570 the GX 460 and the LC 500. The Tahara factory and the Moto Machi factory are my favorites. I hope I get to visit them and go there at some time in my life. Thank you. David, your videos are like the LC 500 pretty much flawless.
Respectfully Submitted,
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First of all, highly appreciate all what went into the production of this quality episode. For me what matters is consistency. Even a tiny fraction of numbers is worth considering. I was able to tell the difference between the two cars and which is which even before you started the examination and the explanation. If anyone here might have the chance to visit Japan he or she will understand that Japan is out of this world and how Japanese highly appreciate themselves with regards to people and culture and whatever belongs to Japan (it is all about appreciation and belonging). Thus, any Japanese entity who desires to make anything for Japan must consider what was previously mentioned.
Next time, try to get one from Kentucky (TMMK), our 2022 Rav4 Hybrid Limited had tons of rattles inside at first, fortunately after a few hundred miles they went away. Only one rattle left, by the B-pillar / driver seat belt on rough roads. 13K miles trouble free and avg 41.7 mpg at the pump!
It's probably from the chicken bones purposely left in the body trim somewhere. Go USA
Thank you David, this is what i found when i worked for Volvo in Canada back in the late 80's, cars built in Sweden were marginally better than those built in Halifax, Nova Scotia and the differences were mainly panel gaps/squeaks and rattles, all components at the time were made and shipped from Sweden back then , and paint fit/finish were basically as your just described in the Rav4 comparison , the Japanese employees have more years of experience than the Ontario staff, I believe knowing allot of Japanese people myself there is more the idea of always put your honest effort into what you do each and every time you do this task, even to the point of over doing things sometimes, alas as you said the average person/buyer won't know or care and it was the same with my old Volvo customers to, great video 👍
We have two Rav 4s, a 19 and a 22. The 19 was made in Japan and the 22 was made in Canada. I have not found any difference between the two. We also owned a Corolla for 18 years, and it was made in Canada. We never had a problem with the Corolla. I have also experienced several Lexus cars over the years and all of them had exceptional quality.
I worked for a company that had major customers in Japan and there requirements for quality were INSANE
I agree with your assessments after years of personal experience I am biased toward Japanese production consistency. I'll never forget the impression I had after living in Japan for 2 years and coming back to the states and seeing the newly released movie GungHo I'm glad that Toyota sends Japanese to teach gaijin factories and hold them to the same standards.
The problem doesn't lie in the build quality.
Any differences will be in the quality of individual parts. Parts made and sourced in Japan are of extremely good quality while in other parts of the world they can vary because the local manufacturers will be under pressure on price so they never match Japanese quality. All the rubber and plastic parts on my Japanese toyota last up to 20 years while I've replaced many rubber boots etc on my Australian made toyota after as little as 7 years.
What about the JATCO {Japanese Automatic Transmission Company} CVT transmissions? Many of these transmissions have been known to fail at an early age.
@@josephkelleher8820 isn't jatco a Nissan company or affiliate. They are the exception to Japanese quality engineering.
Thanks for the great video. I'm waiting on a Rav4 Limited Hybrid from Japan same color as the ones shown in your video.
Can't fault my 2022 RAV4 which was built in Japan. Absolutely love it! The current wait time is the killer though.
@@witchdoktor69 Australia.
I'm glad for you that you waited for your RAV4. I have been waiting for my RAV4 plug in 2022 for a long time due to the disruption of logistics by Russian aggression
My dad is still driving his 1989 Toyota van built in Japan. Incredibly reliable, except the the usual rotting rubber and a few minor oil leaks here and there.
I still have my 2016 Lexus RX 350 (Made in Ontario, CA) and it's been perfect in every way. The fit & finish is still incredible and it's only had regular maintenance; i.e. oil changes, a battery, tires, etc. It still looks & drives like new. The 4th Gen RX model ran from 2016-2022, so people still think it's much newer than it actually is. I like that it's got the super reliable, naturally aspirated 3.5L V6 engine (no turbos). The 2023 models went to turbo 4-bangers.
I have a 2018 Tacoma made in NA that has had 0 issues, and I'm 100% pleased with. Now to the Rav4. We HAD a NA made 2021 Rav4 XLE premium that was totaled in a 2 car accident with 32000 miles on it. My wife claimed it saved her life! We replaced it with a 2023 Rav4 XLE premium that's ofJapanese manufacturer. I would be very hard pressed to show you a difference between the two, but my wife swears the new one drives better, I can't tell a difference in the driving. I do think it's a little quieter for some reason, but I've experienced more difference in sound from a tire change.
I have a 2019 Rav 4 and I absolutely love it. Toyota reliability is top notch. Amazing review! Thank you sir!
You bought a good year. New ones aren’t good 2:46
@@billricheter5678 yea that’s what I’ve been hearing!
You're reviews are great to watch.
I have a 2023 4 runner TRD pro the solar octane paint quality looks really good. My only disappointment it's the tailgate gaps aren't even. it's my third 4Runner and I never noticed that on the other two
As an owner of five Toyotas over the years, starting from my 1987 4Runner, and now the owner of a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid AWD built in Canada, I recommend meticulous upkeep and gentle driving of any make or model vehicle to insure long life and reliability. I believe lemons can be had from any brand, but fewer come from Toyota.
Monozukuri is a very true and beautiful thing. The way that Japanese people understand and think about crafting/manufacturing is different than most places in the world. That is why the craftsmanship of almost everything made in Japan will be of the best quality. Americans(Canadians too), have some of that mentality when they put their mind to it and focus on the job at hand. It's not a way of life for most North Americans to consider that same quality throughout everything they do at home or at work. Sometimes, distractions at home cause the work to be less than top notch. It's still great quality, because the design is good. It's just not done as precise as it could be. I, myself prefer a Japan made anything, be it a tool, vehicle, or kitchen utensil. Next up would be American made. Then German, and the list goes on. Great video!
I have a 2008 Corolla and a 2015 Rav4 both made in Japan and I have encountered 0 problems with them and love them both deeply. Hopefully the trend continues on my next car, hopefully a Toyota (or maybe a Lexus) made in Japan. If not that, then I do trust the engineers of Canada
3 seconds flat is all it took me to tell which one was built in Japan, LOL! Thank you for all your insights.
This is a very good, technically oriented review. Excellent! Thank you!
Hi David, Nice to meet you! Thank you for your great videos and information as well
Keep up your great work!
Wow, I thought I was the only one who geeked out on this! Thank you.
Thank you! Great video. My 2020 RX350L from Japan rattles a lot more than my 2004 ES330, also from Japan, as of now. LOL. Other than that, everything is top-notch by Toyota Japan. As long as the vehicle is reliable and doesn't stop on the freeway, I am happy! I don't care much about where it comes from anymore.
Honestly...this video report is one of the most amazing reports ever. thank you very much for this effort, and I hope you will continue to give.. and thanks Toyota for its sincere customer service and product quality..🇯🇵❤
I have a 16’ rav4 built in Japan, love it. Toyota is awesome
I bought both a Canadian built Buick and a Toyota. Both were awesome.
I bought a 91 Celica in 1993, Japanese built. I love this car,it's totally rust free. No problems. I love the little red car.
Toyota Canada Cambridge has won many JD Power plant awards. From silver to platinum, best in the world!!
Glad I chose my Rav4 that was made in Japan due to arrive by EOY...can't wait!
Thanks. I measured the gaps between panels on 2006 Camry and Accord when I purchased my 06 camry and my friend got his 06 Accord. The gaps on Accord were obvious smaller.
I purchased a 2021 RAV4 XLE Premium (gas version) built in the Cambridge ON plant. Vehicle was bought April 29/2021 and currently only has 11500 kms on it! It has developed a terrible rattle around the back liftgate area. Couldn't handle it any longer so I took it to the dealership and they were able to identify that two trim pieces on the two upper corners of the lift gate had failed and needed to be replaced. The parts were ordered and replaced last week which has helped but they indicated during that repair that both lift gate struts have failed and need to be replaced which are now on back order. I'm not very impressed with a relatively new car with with only 11500 kms having these kind of build quality issues. This is my first and maybe my last Toyota product.
I've had a much different experience with Toyota reliability and so far haven't had any issues after many, many more miles. Good luck with the other automakers 👍
@@ytj22 In all reality, once I get by this current issue of the lift gate struts bring replaced and get it quieted down a bit, I will no doubt keep it for the long haul. I really do like everything else about the RAV4! I did my research and bought it for the long term reliability. Didn't want 100% direct injection, CVT or any turbocharging, so as a long term owner, Toyota checked all the boxes!! I guess I was just venting due to these early problems, because I hate squeaks and rattles in my automobiles!!!
@@ronripley9197 I felt that the Toyota ticked all the boxes for me too. I suppose I shouldn't say I haven't had any rattles, there may be one or two, but reliability has been bulletproof.
I"m telling you...Japanese built from Japan is way better!! I had the same issue with my 2019 rav4 Adventure and many other little issues......got rid of it and now have a 2021 Rav4 from Japan....no issues!!
I have owned a Camry and a Tacoma. Both lasted well but both had significant rattles. Toyota cars are generally reliable but prone to poor bodies, cheap interiors and rattling
David, if the gap is wider on the Canadian RAV4, and the gaps are symmetrical (same gap on both sides in the case of the hood and tailgate), then the hood and hatch are actually *smaller* than the Japanese one. Does this make sense? If I'm correct, this says to me that Toyota trusts the Japanese assembly line to align panels to a higher standard than the Canadian RAV4 line.
Very interesting video!!! Thank you for making it for us!! (My last thought is that these cars represent only two data points - but I don't doubt your conclusion at all!)
Yes I’d like to know this too. In the case of the hood, I guess it just sits a mm lower but the doors, are the Canadian ones smaller or is the door frame bigger?
@@mikemarshall7016 same size same parts
Good video! Anyone with R&D, auto manufacturing, engineering or build quality knowledge will appreciate these videos. There is a difference in build quality. Wait until you compare gaps with Mexico built trucks/cars.
Recently bought and sold a Honda Fit that had been made in Mexico. It had so many annoying problems and rattles and screwy issues.
I just ordered a RAV4 from a dealership and got one with a J VIN. I’m very happy about that.
Mississippi built Corolla 2017 SE model zero issues, not even brakes changed yet at 75,000 miles. Not bad considering the vehicle will be paid off in June 2023. Tons of life left to go in it. It also saved our lives. We live in NH now yet when living in Texas my wife passed out behind the wheel. We were going 75mph on the interstate with the dynamic radar cruise on which did braking and gas for us for three minutes she was out. I pushed the hazards on and steered from the passenger side. Couldn’t shut off the cruise due to a lack of good shoulder in that area. She finally awoke and was able to pull over. I was so impressed I wrote Toyota to thank them. I think they have good overall standards like he states that the brand is solid to buy. I’ve owned various models and none have ever let me down.
Dang....why and how did your wife pass out behind the wheel of the car? Due to sleepiness ?? I"m glad you guy's got lucky and made it out alive! God bless Toyota's from Japan still!
@@bigfootswatching9986 Yeah my wife had a medical episode which made her pass out. What was wild is if another car pulled in front of us quick the car itself noticed and slowed down then sped up later when it was safe. Worked flawless.
I am still hanging on to my 2004 Acura TL and I can 't tell you how many people say how good the paint job has held the gloss and newish looks. Yeah, the dashboard cracked years ago and the drivers side seat is starting to rip. But as far as the way it drives and how good the engine has held up, I am very pleased because this car was built in Japan.
I think those dashboards cracked because of the glue they used for the 3rd generation but this car is just a machine.
Just FYI, all Acura TLs since the second generation model introduced for the 1999 model year have been built in Marysville, Ohio.
@@mackereljuice1537 even if it says made in Japan? Either way this car is so good
I have a 2015 RAV4 Limited and 2016 Prius Touring both made in Japan. Both of them have never had any quality issues and continue to look new for the age. 😊
Well I spoke to soon. The water pump began to fail earlier this month. Just had it replaced and had a coolant flush done at the same time. 😩
Thanks again for this kind of analysis.
I can honestly tell you from my experience when I purchased the new 2019 Rav-4 Adventure which was built in Canada....man this thing had nothing but issues! Automatic Trunk lift gate would stop working periodically, electrical issues flickering, certain panel's were just latched on and felt like the build quality was just poor! I got rid of it and puchased the new 2021 Rav4 built in Japan....and let me tell you...... looking at the build quality was just different! Never had any issues with it.... overall i'm a firm believer Japanese built vehicles are put together way better due to the workers serious work ethics and pride!
My mother’s 2010 Lexus rx is built in Canada. It now has been passed to my niece. 218k miles later, not a rattle nor a problem. My 2015 sienna is the same with less miles. It’s a Toyota folks; it doesn’t matter where it’s built. The fact is . . . It’s BUIlT! Drive it and enjoy it.
Remember.......If built in Japan....it will look and last longer...thing's are assemble way nicer and done right!!
My 2017 hybrid Camry, which was built in North America and was extremely impressive. The build quality. No squeaks and rattles excellent ride excellent car. I felt like I was driving a Lexus and it was just an le model
Not only for cars. There’s also a good reason why true Katanas can only be made in Japan. This says a lot about the remarkable talent of Japanese craftsmen and how they apply the same principles in every craft that they do.
I have owned U S built Hondas and Toyotas since 1990. It has been nothing but a great experience.
Indeed.
At least Toyota kept the quality of manufacturing in North America up to their high standard and, from what I know their engineers continuously supervise the process of each part as it's being made, no matter which third party manufacture they picked. Serious about keeping their reputation.
I, too, thought Lexus / Toyota made in Japan have better fit and finish. This is evident in the family LS500h (2018) and GS450h (2013) - previously, we had an RX450h (2018) made in Ontario, and the little details were 'whispering' and my OCD always kicked in. Have had great experience just the same with all our Toyota vehicles since 2006! Great reliability and carefree driving. Thank you for this review, David.
your thorough presentation is amazing!
I have 21 RAV4 made in Canada it’s my first Toyota n had it for a month I don’t have any issues with it ! I like the white color on both of those RAV4s n my RAV4 is in the ruby flare pearl 😮😊
Half millimeter gap difference is imperceptible to the eye. The mass of ordinary people buying these vehicles won’t care about.
So, really, the Canadian and Japanese models are so similar in the standard of construction as to make no real difference between them.
To me, the mechanical functioning is much more important than aesthetics and ergonomics, so would you think about doing a video about the quality of the Canadian and Japanese built RAV4s from that viewpoint?
May be l am wrong, wasting time to talk the gap.... engine is more important.
I have an 04 Toyota Tacoma TRD 4wd built in California and love it!
It is a different culture in Japan. They are very quality conscience and they take pride in their work. I am retired from a company that exported to Japan and they would inspect the shipment before they unloaded the boat. If they found something they didn't like, they would sen the entire shipment back
I order things from Japan or sometimes, get them in the USA as there are a few locally. The packaging from Japan is usually top notch and any damage in shipment, did not come happen over there.
Quality conscious
One of my deciding factors of getting the RAV4 Prime built in Japan
Subaru really embraced north American production. Most of their cars are domestic, but I’m sooo happy they still make their performance cars in Japan.
My BRZ has been flawless so far (granted, very very new so far) and fit and finish is absolutely outstanding
Owned 2 Hondas one made in Swinton, England, the other Marysville, Ohio. Both went over 270 thousand miles with little to no problems. Japanese quality is contagious
Interesting and good video. Just picked up a 2023 Corolla LE here in the US. I noticed the first few cars of any new model year are built in Japan. So, mine is a J VIN. No rattles or squeaks. Overall fit and finish is excellent. However, when I took delivery the steering wheel was slightly off-center. That may have been caused by the long transport and being tied down. Also, I noticed the trunk is difficult to close. That may have nothing to do with the factory location. Anyway, hoping the quality is long lasting.
It is nice to see that the North American built vehicle is at least consistent. I am not surprised that the paint is thicker on the North American vehicle as it is commonly reported on that Japanese built vehicle have thinner paint and clear coat finishes.
Love this video. I always feel Japanese made factories/QC pay more attention to detail’s compared NA made one. Your comparison really nailed it.
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I had a European made Rav4 XA50 and now a Japanese made Rav4. The first thing I notice is how the doors close. The Japanese are better balanced. You can fix the doors position and they close softer. The second difference is the interior leather. On the Japanes, the quality is better, on the Europeans it looks more like a kind of eco-leather. In general, the European model resembles a Lego constructor, where every detail lives on its own. After 60k Km, plastic creaks in the cabin. On the Japanese, I also drove 60k km and the car is less noisy in the cabin. In general, it is felt that the car is more solid, and the build quality is higher.
No XA50 has been made in Europe. They used to come from StPetersburg, not anymore for obvious reasons. Not sure where the hybrids come from now, the phev all come from Japan.
@@vongolavorace In Europe, the XA50 was produced from 2019 to 2022 at the Toyota plant in St. Petersburg. The plant produced a large number of cars for export. After stopping production and limiting the supply of new cars to local dealers from Japan, many buyers began to buy Rav4 and other cars in the UAE, Korea, US and Canada markets, buying them without a warranty and clearing them themselves.
Hi,David your 100% right.from 1991 Toyota previa made in Japan 2000 Lexus gas 400 Japan 2006 Lexus es300 Japan best quality built.2023 I just purchased Mitsubishi eclipse cross made in Japan. Japanese are very serious about their work.❤ my couple of friends working on Toyota Plant, Woodstock, Ontario, and I know how they serious about the workmanship.
David, if you have the opportunity to go to mainland China, I suggest doing a comparison of the production process and quality of the RAV4 produced by FAW Toyota and GAC Toyota. There is a saying that Toyota has to lower the quality in order to meet the profit requirements of the Chinese side.
Friend and I got a Corolla in 2017, brand new. We both had gotten an SE model and little did we know we got one built from Japan and one built from the US. They have both been extremely reliable however I have noticed a bit more rattling on my interior. Yet I have 42000 miles, he has about 68000 miles. His car still sounds quieter by a margin and I'm jealous lol. Mine happened to be built in Mississippi.
Yeah mine is built in missisipi and it sucks . Sorry for u man
The Mississippi plant is a joint venture between Toyota and Mazda. Not fully owned by Toyota.
I have a japanese Rav4 hybrid here in Perú, what Master piece of engeenering, hope Toyota still sell us japanese cars.
I dont know why toyota is not making rear camera as standard for all SUVs, its ilogical, high rear visibility obviously needs it. Nice review! Good job!
They should because as of May 2018 all new vehicles in the US require a backup camera.
@@MrPablo1973. You are assuming that this gentleman lives in the USA.
@@packerbacker69 you’re right I was assuming but it’s still a requirement in Canada for vehicles under 4536 kg.
@@MrPablo1973. You are still talking about North America. It would be nice if the gentleman who posted this comment would say what country he lives in.
@@MrPablo1973 . Now that I think about it, I moved back from Thailand in 2021. The new cars that I saw over there do not come with rear view cameras.
Very nice video. I can't wait for my Toyota Rav4 to arrive. I live and Europe and it will come from Japan
Great review. We have a 2020 RAV 4 XLE here in Canada. My wife and I have questioned the build quality from time to time.
1) Seatbelt rattle on both sides on the adjustables
2) Power passenger window quit
3) Driver side windows sometimes will go down halfway when putting the window all the way up
4) Dash rattle
5) maps light assembly rattles
6) The folddown rear seat broke , so I am now left up
7) Backup camera leak, so image is all blurred
8) black paint chips are easy
9) The driver side door has to be slammed and does not close with conviction
10) Fuel light comes on at 25, and as low as 18km left.
So, question this Canadian built car.
David this is wonderful 😊 content! Thanks for your time.
You're very welcome!
Another notable difference: Japanese built RAV4 has access cover to allow for a front tow hook to be threaded on. The threaded tow hook in included in the bag with the lug nut wrench kit. The Canadian built RAV4s do not have this.
I'll always pick J-VIN given a choice because I know that the Japanese workers are making it their personal mission to do their best every time, and to become better. They also have a great deal of pride when they're working for Toyota/Lexus, because it shows that they (Japanese) can make quality cars that rival and/or exceed the competition. The Germans may build faster and sportier cars, but Toyota/Lexus will outlast them by a huge margin.
My 2021 Tacoma TRD Sport 4x4 came with 3 dents!!! Made in USA. Just recently received a 2023 RAV4 HYBRID SE perfect! Made in Japan.
Great video. I wonder if the differences are due to the numbers that each plant are producing and how quickly the Canadian plant is having to put out to keep up with demand for the hybrid compared to the Prime version.
Quality should never be compromised for Quantity. Besides, the factory in Japan is probably working just as busy cranking out Primes for the Global market
I think there is a cultural component to this. The workers are innately obsessive about symmetry and quality control. They would inspect it and never allow a product with panel gaps to leave the floor. It would bring such embarrassment to the individuals and the company as a whole.
Thank you Davis, awesome information
Very welcome!
As an Auto Engineer, can you do a video on what actually changes in the car from the first produced car of a model year to the last produced car of the same model year? The CarCareNut channel always says to wait 8 months if you're buying a first model year of a new generation, and we are all curious as to why.
Adjacently, is there any real difference between the last produced car of a previous model year and the first produced car of the next model year for the first two years of a new generation model?
I think it has to do with numbers of recalls and common issues warned by Toyota internally as well as their work experience which can be different since he lives in the rust belt.
I would like to see this kind of comparison with newer plants in emerging mkt e.g. Brasil, Vietnam, Thailand, compared to Japanese and NA built Toyotas 🙏🏻
14 RX Canadian built and 18 GS Japan built owner here. Apples and oranges comparison but, I do notice the GS has a slightly better fit and finish than my RX. I've often wondered what makes the finish slightly better on a Japan built Toyota/Lexus?! Finish does vary from one unit to the other down the production line I'd assume but I still wonder what minute paint process typically makes a Japanese unit a better finish?! I thoroughly love my Lexus units vs. the domestic cars I've driven all my life.I will remain Lexus loyal for now on.
Great videos. Im still waiting for my rav prime. Do you think that delivery times will shorten or lengthen in 2023?
A Corolla from Blue Springs vs a Corolla from Aichi would be an interesting comparison. I am reluctant to buy one originating from Blue Springs but that is all that seems to be in inventory lately.
Corolla hybrids are only built in Japan also at this time
Great video. A question some of the new Lexus NX cars that was launched in 2021 had some issues where some welding points was missed and the information is limited but in forums some have said that it was cars made in Ontario that had this issue, I got an NX myself but it was not effected.