Bacterial Blooms And Cloudy Water: I Was Wrong!
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While excusing yourself for a wrong statement, you made the best video to explain bacteria bloom. 🤗 I love it!
My new fish tank had bacteria bloom. I just changed the filters every other day. Now my tank is so pretty. Change filters alot.
This was really helpful. I was not happy with my first aquarium setup as the water was so cloudy.. I didn’t know why
Cool. I love the fact you made a correction! I had ALWAYS heard beneficial did NOT live in the water column, so that’s very interesting!
I ran across your video about this again, and I remember I have been telling you that my nitrites are coming in on test results and amzingly I had to top off my tank just the other night with tap water that I let sit for about 24 hours with water conditioner in it, then a day later, I get this misty water occuring and figured it had to be nitrifying bacteria blooming and doubling in size now and it's so awesome to watch this occur knowing that my double sponge filter is going to draw in all that nitrifying bacteria to it and will get seeded with all that good bacteria as well as my lava rocks and substrate. Now I'm taking test more often cause I know in a few more days the cloudy water will dissapear and my tank is just about done cycling. Man it seems like forever that this 20 high has been cycling and I did it the old fashion way, talking about learning patience! I am so excited and proud of myself that I just cycled my first tank and now I have the experience and knowledge of the nitrogen cycle, I don't need some Petco store employee to help me anymore. Now I wait to bring on that 55 gallon to host some angelfish! And cycle it with my own media, not some bought bottled bacteria or borrowing it from a store no more spending money on bottled bacteria or anything else. I'm doing it MY way from now on; Damn, I love this hobby!!
Well, one of the ways to clear up a bacterial bloom is to actually ADD beneficial bacteria! I don't think there's just one kind of bacteria causing bacterial bloom. And it doesn't only happen to new tanks either, a cycled tank can get a bloom too.
I think that's what I have bc I cleaned the rocks, took out the trees and stuff out of the tank and 75 Percent of water, well, when I put everything back in.. and now I have blue green cloudy water.. and now I don't know how to get rid of it ..
@@lisaeleanor8559 that sounds like so called "green water", which is just algae. Run the light on for a shorter period than you currently do, and do regular smaller water changes. That should fix it.
Good clarifications. Thanks. 👍
Stating as fact that you have this bacteria or that bacteria in the water column or on surfaces in your tank is probably not a good idea and could lead to problems. There are many different species of bacteria in our tanks. We can hypothesise about which bacteria may or may not be in our tanks and we can test our hypotheses by measuring levels of different compounds in the water (ammonia, nitrites nitrates, etc.). But, to actually identify the bacteria we need gram stain, microscopy and DNA sequencing.
Dropping knowledge as usual 👍🏿👍🏿
Very nice video and informative.. And it is more learning than being worng. Thanks for explaining and helping others..
"Bacterial" blooms are most often actually infusoria. Bacteria causing some cloudiness are various heterotrophic bacteria, not so much the various nitro bacteria.
But yes, our nitro bacteria are not as entirely sessile as was thought.
"Squeezings" are indeed a great way to cycle!
I was thinking the same thing because when you breed infusoria to feed fry you always start by putting some boiled broccoli or something like it in used tank water 😊 because the infusoria is in the mature tank.
good explanation . Awesome !
U are still wrong.... cloudy water is mostly heterotrophic bacteria ( they feed on organic matter) nitrifying bacteria feed on ammonia and nitrite. So for ammonium and nitrite to be present i your aquarium heterotrophic bacteria will have to consume organic matter, or the fish that is producing ammonia when food is metabolized.
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Congratulations!
I've incidentally found you again because I vigorously cleaned the sponge filters and changed 40% water. It went cloudy. I panicked.
I probably could have found you again sooner had I remembered the phrase, creek chubs, 🤣 but I didn't until now.
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Your camera does a good job. Videos are better now.
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Very helpful boss man
Got it going in my very large shrimp vase. It cycled, but now it's got a lower area bloom. No spikes, just a bloom. What you said is not necessarily true. This vase is a walstad with no water movement. It has a very deep bed of established filter media at the bottom. Because of the lack of water movement it is a bottom cloud. Waiting for it to settle out. I just think there is too much good bacteria in there, as I was dosing with beneficial bacteria and I think I over did it. Shrimp and fish still a live and well. The fish are a pair of clown killifish and a pair of otocinclus and they are doing absolutely fine.
I have Bactria bloom in my betta and 2 sward fish tank so I set up anonymity thank to put the fish on it because I feel bad for them this morning I look and the new tank is a little cloudy
Very interesting. Makes sense. 💧🐟🌿👍😊🎃
Gracias
I turned my 5 gal beta tank into a planted tank with a piece of drift wood. The wood is adding the tea color and that’s fine I want that! But it gets too dark and I’ve done two water changes and I noticed it just now. Now I have white webby looking bacteria all over my plants and wood. Before I changed to planted tank, my waters ammonia, nitrite and nitrate was fine for 3 weeks and there was no need to a water change. Now after I I made the change I added 6 ghost shrimp and the beta ate them. I got them all out. Only other thing I did was take my floss filtration out and put a carbon one to help the color. While a sponge filter has been in there for about a month. And now this is the first time I’m getting any sort of bloom. I have two root tabs in the water and but leaf zone in the water once. I checked my water and the levels are fine except for my alkalinity and my ph went down before the water change and now it went up again with a water change, I’ve never scrubbed rocks or wood or anything
This is great! I just set up my 20 gal long tank with live plants and a couple of wood pieces. After 2 days or so of adding Seachem Prime (on the first day) & Seachem Stability (since the first day and everyday since), today being day 5, I have bacterial bloom all over my tank! I thought I was doing something wrong!😬 Today I also added a pinch if fish flakes to help the Stability along also.
Sounds like you're right on track. Just be patient and don't try to force it or add fish too soon. You'll get there. Good luck!
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly Thanks! I'm trying to stay patient. Just want to learn all I can about this hobby and become an amazing fish keeper!
@@kimmorankm How did it go?
I’m not new to this but still have a lot of questions , would a bacterial bloom make a slime on the the glass ? The minute I cleaned my glass on the inside it got cloudy again .
I think if enough of the tank's bacteria is growing on the glass, it's possible to disrupt the cycle. I can't imagine that really being the case though.
Thanks for the info! I was unaware of cycling a tank before buying fish (oops I’m a newbie) and it looks like the cycle is finally starting to take place. My ammonia and nitrites are at 0 and my Nitrate is at 10. The water was cloudy and I couldn’t figure out why. So since my nitrates are going up the water does appear to be getting a little less cloudy. Should I keep adding more bacteria to clear it or will it eventually clear on its own?
I'd just leave it alone for now. It'll probably begin clearing up in a few days.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly Got it 👍🏼 thanks for the info!
Great looking school of Blackskirt Tetras ! Good Stuff.
I love them!
My Tetras were so happy. I had a bacterial bloom and it killed 10 of my fish within a span of 20 minutes. All of a sudden it smelled like sulfur in my home, not sure why it was so sudden. Lesson learned and I am regrouping. Thank you for sharing.
@@ronniece5251 sorry to hear that.. Have you learned of problem source ?
@@FreeSwimmer I think I am over feeding my fish. When I did a deep dive cleaning, there was a lot of stuff in the gravel despite my 25% water changes, I neglected my gravel🤦🏾♀️My tank looks great now and I will wait about a month and let my tank establish and try again!
@@ronniece5251 Over feeding can surely send the tank into an imbalance. I always like 2 filters. Alternating cleanings, so beneficial bacteria can remain more steady.. I would rinse pads and media with tank water thats removed during waterchange. However a sump is best for bacteria maintenance..
Nitrosonomas double in number roughly every 20 hours or so at optimum temperatures and pH. It's a very slow doubling rate amongst bacteria.
I read somewhere that how the bacteria spreads is it reproduces (doubling) on a surface area and they're covered by their own self-made protein layer. Once there's enough in that area, a lot break off and float off to colonise somewhere else leaving some behind. I'll try and find that info, it had drawings illustrating it.
Wiki - thrive in a pH range of 6.0-9.0, and a temperature range of 20-30 °C (68-86 °F). Most species are motile with a flagellum located in the polar region of the bacillus.
Tropical Fish Magazine - “Bottom line is this: there are a lot of species of bacteria that will feed on nitrogen compounds,” said Thom Demas, curator of fishes at the Tennessee Aquarium in Chattanooga, the world’s largest freshwater aquarium. “It’s most probable that there are many bacteria responsible
for the nitrogen cycle in any given place at any given time.”
Hey Dan, I just found your video on the subject, I have a cloudy problem for a month and a half now on a new 44g reef tank. I introduced bottle bacteria from 2 different brands and the cloudiness is beyond anything right now! What should I do? Ive used dead rock not live one. TY!
Are there fish in the tank? I'm not sure how long a marine tank takes to cycle starting with dead rock.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly No fish at the moment, just rock, aragonite and water, skimmer is on, light period is off, Im sure that I have eterotrophic bacteria bloom and I am thinking of putting a UV steriliser. Whats your thought on this?
@@MrAnthism I suppose it's worth a try.
We had this bacterial bloom happen in 2 of our tanks after our normal water change and both tanks have been established for almost 2 years, it killed all of my shrimp 😭
I'm sorry to hear it.
I hoping this is what is going on with my tank. I have a 36 gallon tank that I have goldfish in. I have a bio filter for a 75 gallon tank on it and My ammonia and nitrates keeps spiking and my water PH keeps dropping down to 6.0. I put Prime water conditioner in it, I have tried API quick start, API PH up, and steadily dumping ammonia neutralizer in it. I have done 3 complete water changes and like 6 30% changes in it in 2 months and within a couple days my water is so cloudy I can’t see the back of the tank
I'd stop messing with it any more than necessary. It'll sort itself out.
Do you feel that adding seachem stability could cause a bacterial bloom.....I have an unestablished tank that I have been adding stability to and the water is cloudy right now. The nitrogen cycle has not completed yet.
I would think it's just the tank cycling, and not the Stability, but that's just an educated guess.
I agree.
Do you considered a bacteria bloom bad or a good thing ? I just recently started a new tank and brought some used media from my main tank and added some bb from the bottle by Aquavitro seed.
It all depends on the circumstances.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly wouldn’t adding bacteria in a bottle cause that ?
@@leo2o915 It could. I only used it once and nothing happened for me.
I’m in the middle of a bacterial bloom is it ok to add bottled bacteria?
I would think so.
I totally had the same thought process! It must be some sort of other bacteria and not possibly the beneficial bacteria right?!? I have a brand new tank that has this stuff all over. When it settles it looks almost like salt though. Not the stringy stuff that ive heard it can look like. Any thoughts if it is indeed the beneficial bacteria?
It doesn't sound like it. I'm not sure what would be in your tank that looks like that.
Hi Dan, Need some help! Everything I could do wrong...I did wrong. Emptied my 36 gal tank, replaced 75% gravel with sand. I did keep canister filter going for several weeks. Thought would put bb bank in tank. Wrong!
To top it off, because I thought tank was ready, bought 6 corydora. Then @#%* hit the fan. Started testing water. Prime became mine and my fish life saver. I have the algae bloom you are now describing. Will this harm my fish and how long will the bloom last. Parameters 0 amonia, 0 nitrite, and between 20 - 40 nitrate. Would a uv sterlizer harm the bloom and set back the cycling? Thank you for your insight and knowledge. I have greatly enjoyed the other videos you have produced, both helpful and practical. Colleen
I wouldn't worry as long as the ammonia and nitrite are not detectable. Be patient. It'll clear up in a few days most likely. I'm not a fan of UV clarifiers, but I don't think it would hurt anything.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly Thank you so much and appreciate you taking the time in getting back to me. Any particular reason your not a fan of uv clarifiers?
@@colleenmarshall7558 I don't think they accomplish much. If the bloom doesn't clear up in a few days anyway, then there's something else going on. A clarifier can hide the fact that something is wrong.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly When you say, if the bloom doesn't clear up that something else is going on. What could be the causes so that I can be ahead of the problem.
@@colleenmarshall7558 Over feeding, insufficient circulation, not enough bio-media, an infection in the tank... It could be a lot of things, but it's usually just a harmless passing bloom that will burn itself out in a few day or a week.
I got a fish tank and I let it cycle over night and a whole school day for the chlorine killer and then the next day after that I put in my crawfish and put in a beneficial bacteria tablet and then when I woke up in the morning the tank was cloudy but not like you can see any thing it was still a little clear to ware I can see every thing but it was a little cloudy
And I put the tablet in the filter box but behind the filter pad
Can I ask you a question ? In a fish in cycle can I do water changes ? I mean if the beneficial bacterials don’t live in the water if I change the water even often I won’t lose the beneficial beneficial colonizing , right ?
You have to keep a sharp eye when cycling a new tank with fish in because of ammonia spikes because the beneficial bacteria is not built up enough to digest the fish waste. You have to do water changes in new tanks when you have ammonia. Usually small frequent water changes.
Yes, but it slows the cycling process down. You can't let the ammonia or nitrite accumulate, so the bacterial colonies develop slowly.
This is where Prime comes in handy or water changes if you arent using prime. I think prime really helped a bunch when my 5.5 gallon turned cloudy. Slowly but surely it will clear up and it detoxifies ammonia and nitrite up to 24/ 48 hours with 0.5 dose and its pretty potent so THAT will save your fish during the cycling process. You dont want to do too much cleaning to disturb the bacteria. If you do a water change however, you might have some bacteria die off from the glass drying out but you will have some die off no matter what.
How does the right bacteria first turn up at a tank? Where does it come from? Is it lurking on the lamp shades and curtains? The things that keep me up at night, lol.
I was wondering wondering the same ... We know from science that spontaneous generation doesn't exist , so where these amazing beneficial bacterias come from
Tap water.
This is the ONLY video I have found that talks about beneficial bacteria bloom in the water. I recently got a new 7 gal tank for my betta, and after adding water conditioner and 12hrs later I added FritzZyme 7 live beneficial bacteria to speed up the cycling of the tank. My water went from crystal clear to cloudy in 20 mins. I was so confused because hardly anyone talks about this happening with beneficial bacteria…that’s when k found this video 15 mins ago. It’s been 48hrs since I added the bacteria and the water is still cloudy. Any ideas when it will settle down? The new tank has a lot of live plants and 2 snails and a lot of filter media. Is there Anything I could do other than waiting even more? Best and thanks for this video!
Not really. Waiting is a big part of fish keeping. I was once told "nothing good ever happens fast in fish keeping".
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly i did another ammonia test and levels have come down by half. 0 nitrites and 0 nitrates. However, the samples of water were full of pinkish substance the smell is kinda “fishy” too. This normal? I’m afraid I messed it up with too much beneficial bacteria.
@@fergranadino Not sure about the pink color, but a healthy tank should smell "Earthy" not fishy.
So my 30 gallon I have had for 3 yrs is fine.
Ammonia is 1.00ppm but it always is no matter what.
So the story of how I ended up here.
Power went out for a few days soon as I got it back i tested the ammonia and it was 8.00 so I did a 90% water change in my panic I washed the sponge filter in the sink without declorinate so after it ran next day at 8.00 again I water changed again got it down to 5.00 said okay got fritz live bacteria.... This is where it went wrong. I dropped the entire bottle in there brand new full bottle didn't water change cuz I didn't want to loose it....
Ammonia is now 0.05ppm but the tank is cloudy and my poor dwarf Hair grass is covered. As are my duckweed roots.
Do I now leave this poor tank alone or water change it? It readings are right where is normal for the tank and the shrimp are eating it off? So leave it alone at this point yes?
A water change won't disrupt the cycle.
How about adding plants from an established tank? Will that help adding beneficial bacteria to a new tank?
Yes everything with a surface will, plants, wood, gravel etc.
@@Qyngali great! Many thanks...I have a Discus project 👍
It'll help some, but anything with biofilm growing on it is what you really want.
But, if Nitrates don't exist in the water, or very few of them or whatever... Then how is it that you can get any sort of nitrate reading with any kind of test kit?
I don't understand your question.
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But why dose this happen after a water changed?
If you mess with the filter, you can disturb the cycle.
Id like to see a side by side comparison two tanks not cycled no startup established media , one tank has some water from an established tank added. Id imagine that the tank with water added from an established tank will cycle faster. Id think it would boost the process just like adding bio booster stuff. Id need to determine this with an actual scientific experiment to conclude, not just assume it wouldnt or trust google.
Then do the experiment.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly No U
Does bacteria bloom harmful to my fish ?
Generally not.
Hi Dan, I watched the 1st video and yes you are correct...BUT....I was just listening to an aquatic podcast today. They were talking about this very subject. They stated that if you do a deep gravel vac and suck up the detritus, let it settle to the bottom of the bucket.Yes a lot of ppl use the python, but for this use a bucket. Let all the 💩 settle and then pour out 7/8ths of the water. All that 💩 can now be poured into your new tank. It’s just like squeezing a dirty sponge full of 💩 on it. What’ are your thoughts Dan?
I wouldn't do it that way. That's mulm and waste that's breaking down. The gross looking stuff from filter squeezings is pretty much bacteria. Remember, you're squeezing the bio sponge, NOT the "filter" pads.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly I agree! I’ve never done it and nor would I. I recently set up 2, 20g tanks. They were cycled in a week. I used my cycled sponge filters and Fritz Zyme 7. There are products sold from reputable Aquatic fish keepers that sell “Cycled Mulmy Bag-o-water” for example. There is another breeder who keeps extra cycled sponge filters in his tanks and sells them. With all that said, I’ve never tried either one but it has worked for others. I toss my filter floss or “filter” pad. Just like you said...there’s nothing beneficial about it. Thx for your input!
@@janicelundberg3156 I take media from established aquarium and use it in filter of new aquarium. Treat the new water with Amquel plus or Prime.. Stock with fish, because the established media needs feeding. Its like a huge waterchange that way.
You were correct originally. The bacteria that cause cloudy water are not the nitrifying bacteria: ruclips.net/video/zDI7sxqC-ss/видео.html
This is my second day with my new tank and it’s like cloudy looking. Do I need to do a water change? It’s a 2 gallon betta tank. My betta is in there. But the guy at petsmart said it could still be cycling. I wish there was a way to send u a picture of what it looks like because I have no idea.
You need to test for ammonia and nitrite. As long as there is o ammonia or nitrite, the cloudy watr won't hurt the fish. Ammonia is very bad, and nitrite is mildy bad.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly I tested for ammonia and it was 7.6 I believe. Is there a way to lower this?
I’m sorry that was the ph level. The ammonia was 0
@@peyton3391 If the ammonia is 7.6 you need to do a water change asap. Are you sure the pH isn't 7.6? ammonia is measured in ppm. If you have 7 ppm, you really need to do a big water change now. Ammonia shouldn't get above.5 ppm. that's point five ppm.
@@peyton3391 Ah, that's what I suspected. Ok.
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I just filled my new ten gallon tank with RO water, and I added a few cups of water from my little betta tank (who is very healthy) and within about 24 hours I have a major bacteria bloom. Like you can see it like clouds in the current. Lol. Can’t wait to test the water and see if it’s ready for fish.
Do not add bacteria in active tank i repeat do not ………….or do not let happen bacteria bloom in your active tank It will cause oxyegn deprivation and it is far worse than nitrite nitrate problem. Just lost all my fish because of this.
No sir. Experience tells me otherwise. I have an established tank of 4 years and sometimes when I have cleaned my tank...esp. if I have waited too long to clean it, there can be a bacterial bloom. I am online looking for information today about why at present I have a persistent bacterial bloom even though it's been 4 days since I cleaned my tank. Nitrites are low, pH is normal now....but your info on ammonia will have me reevaluating my ammonia levels again today, though I think it didn't read high.
Also, for fun you might take any kid's microscope and look at a droplet of water to compare that with a smear from your substrate. Bacteria may generally congregate in certain areas more than others but just because your tank is clear doesn't mean you don't have bacterial in the water. I say this having studied microbiology. Bacteria are everywhere but do have a difficult time growing on certain metal surfaces such as stainless steel, copper, silver, and gold due to their chemical charge (# of electrons in outer valence shell). This is why you may see metal panels on bathroom doors in public. When performing a lab for entry Microbiology 101 we all took swab samples from various places to compare growth after incubation. Bathrooms, strangely enough had the LEAST amount of bacteria! Maybe it's b/c they're cleaned more than other surfaces such as carpets or shoes. Also b/c of the porcelain and metallic surfaces in them. Floors and shoes had the most bacteria, as does the human mouth!!! Bonus info: Holding a Petri dish out of a car window while driving will also show bacteria growth, including YEAST! We ourselves live in a soup of bacteria and fungi....also viruses but we didn't specifically look for viruses. LOL
But bottom line...bacteria are everywhere, even in the water of the fish tank. They don't "settle" per se, but as you mentioned, may run low on supporting nutrients to cause them to bloom enough to where a cloud is visible, esp. as those. fish byproducts which they love DO settle to the substrate.So that's where they are found in greater numbers. Also, if you have any of those filters with the bio wheel.....pouring established fish tank water into the container of the filter to impregnate that bio wheel would be beneficial. Not to be gross, but especially that yucky water you vacuum off the substrate when cleaning a fish tank. Yes. The dirty water, b/c there is going to be more bacteria in that than just the regular tank water.
LOST ME = I'm looking for a *solution* to repeated bacterial blooms not for you to drone on...BYE !
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