Seeing so many people on social media praise them game for being a broken mess and pushing the narrative that DP 1 was always "bad" was really insufferable to keep seeing online. So glad you set the record straight
I replayed the Xbox One X version to see if my memories were being clouded by nostalgia and no, it’s just the ports of DP that are garbage, the 360 release is not a broken piece of junk. Unfortunately Toybox has done a lot to damage the game’s reputation, DP was janky not a damn disaster.
I think the saddest thing about Deadly Premonition 2 is that lack of mystery you mentioned. I remember buying the first Deadly Premonition the day it launched and being so immersed in that world. I was writing down notes about Greenvale inhabitants in a notebook, following them around to see what they were up to. Peaking through windows, learning more about them through side quests and observations. Learning as much as I could by engaging with the game's world. The narrative was also compelling and pushed me see things through. And by the end of the game it was this very sad but uplifting conclusion made better by that mystery as being one of the core aspects of the first Deadly Premonition.
@@spaceowl5957 well, for many of the first fans of the game it was the trailer that depicted, can you take a guess? that's right Zach, Twin Peaks: the video game, which is where the majority of the first fans came from. from there it gained a cult following from indie Japanese horror and Crime drama fan-bases.
@@WhitneyPlays Random clips and softlocks, like York shooting with his back bending backwards, and York flying over the forest during the musical segment. A few others sprinkled here and there!
It's "funny" to see how the step backward between DP1&2 can be summarized with : the sheriff's office. In DP1 it have multiple rooms, multiple characters' routines, possibilities to eat/sleep/shave and a path to the basement. All of these things are gone in DP2. Gosh, even the basement (which is poorer than the first one) need a loading. This is an absolute nonsense. Don't know what's my predominant feeling about this "blessing in disguise"... Is it anger or is it pure sadness ? Why not both :/ Again, congrats for your work !!! - A french DP(1) fan
The most underrated game reviewer from France commenting on a video from the most underrated game reviewer from the US. Hmmm... Did you see that, Zach?!
Super weird thought, but I've managed to reason to myself that the reason the first Deadly Premonition ended up with so many layers was because SWERY technically had years to work on the game, considering it got shelved back in a previous console cycle after several delays before suddenly getting picked up again much later. The sequel on the other hand actually made its initial deadline. Maybe he should've pushed it back rather than try to make the date.
I just finished Deadly Premonition 2 first time last night and had very mixed opinions on it and agree almost 100 percent on you criticism of it. I loved the first one but dp2 just failed to live up to the original.
I was recommended this video by a friend of mine and while I enjoyed DP2 for the most part (I waited a patch or two to make the framerate somewhat more tolerable) I am not blind to its flaws, which you did a great job at analysing. It very much feels like Swery had a bunch of ideas and notes for the game that gradually got whittled away for budgetary reasons, ultimately leading to the proverbial death by a thousand cuts. There are glimpses of an engaging and satisfying story at times but they're rare, and the gulfs between these glimpses only make them more noticeable. I certainly agree that there was no reason for Kaysen to be directly involved in the game except maybe as the original catalyst for Lena developing Saint Rouge. He definitely should've also been wearing a wearing different outfit and the framing in the "Luigi's mansion" scene between him and Lena could've been done differently , so his silhouette wasn't immediately recognisable but could be deduced (though not with 100% certainty) by fans of DP1. That combined with, say, Kaysen driving his truck past York's balcony during breakfast on his way out of Le Carre would've made the connection to him tangible for DP fans without being ridiculously in-your-face obvious.
while i wouldnt say that we feel the same way about the game, i cant really say that i can disagree with any of ur points either. i guess i just dont really care as much, and tend to look at the positives more, nor were my expectations or hopes v high to begin with haha. which may or may be a bad outlook sometimes i dunno. granted i didnt experience any glitches, and u clearly did not have that amount of luck because JESUS. i did not know DP2 could go full bethesda like that. the only things that i got hung up about personally, was how sucky the shooter segments were, and how the plot went all over the place for a bit. but i still found that entertaining for what it was. still, i can absolutely understand why u lovingly hate it. another stellar video either way tho! also CRT DP2 looks kinda cool in its own way ngl
As much as it pains me to admit it, I agree 100% with this review. I ended up loving DP2 just because I love fan-servicey shit like that ending was, but there's no denying that DP2, performance issues aside, is a much more shallow experience than the original. I finished it once and haven't felt like going back since, and I probably won't ever. Meanwhile, the original gets replayed at least 1-2 times a year just because I'm always learning something new each time. Sucks that we didn't get the great DP sequel that we've wanted all these years, but if anything, it's nice to know that more people have garnered an interest in the original and have the ability to play it at all.
The atmosphere of DP1 is unparallelled. While everyone complains about the "oversized" town, I adore it. It's actually realistic. Have you been to rural towns? They really are like this. Long stretches of road connecting houses, factories and farms. It's great. If you get Carol's car, the Galaxy of Terror song plays in the background while driving in the rain. Play it in first person. It's unironically and genuinely immersive and amazing. I haven't played anything even close to capturing the mood, and it's honestly unfortunate that DP1 has a "so bad it's good" thing. Yes it's all of that too, but at many points the game is profoundly great and beautiful. Le Carre just doesn't have that draw. I miss the car. I miss seeing where people are on the map. I miss having more reoccuring side characters to eat lunch with. I love DP2 but can feel in my bones I won't play it again. Whereas DP1 holds a special place in my heart.
I loved Deadly Premonition 2 but I can totally see your arguments, but man do I just not care after how much fun I had in the game and I love it more than the original. If we are going to go FULL META. B movies always have a strange sequel before bridging the 2 styles in the 3rd
I liked the game. It did right by York as a character through the writing, I thought. But it was kinda unnecessary as a story. Liked the set-up and structure, but the ending - while nice - made me shrug me shoulders a little. Know what it reminded me of? El Camino. Didn't ruin Breaking Bad, but what was the point? You can't capture lightning in a bottle twice, but Swery gave it his best. And he did it with love, and a little love goes a long way for me given how cynical games are these days
Great video - it was tough to hear some of your honesty, but it is backed up. I enjoyed the comprehensiveness of the video, similar to the first SWERY Files video. I think with the production quality, it could only result in good things if SWERY (or Toybox) ever watches it. Also, it's important to recognize that, as fans, we really could've gotten a better story. That clip of being able to talk to Melvin in his cult gear on the boat is a great find!
Okay I guess not many will agree here but I really felt the first game was intended to be way more serious and dark, "lynchian" but came out more wacky and zany unintentionally. Seeing how well that worked, DP2 reeeally leaned into the "crazy funny" and as mentioned in this video, MEMES of course. To me that didn't work one bit, just as no movie that Tommy Wiseau made after The Room has managed to capture the unintentional comedy that it had. Some things you just can't force, and Deadly Premonition is one of them.
I totally agree with you. DP1 had equal measures of drama and comedy. DP2 is a cynical fascimile of True Detective and Deadly Premonition, without the sincere heart imo.
@@HikikomoriMedia I think the intro with Zach is pretty sincere. The story just kinda falls apart and is very poorly told. And let's not pretend that SWERY has complete control over the direction just because of disillusionment; the marketing is done by ToyBox, and they were the ones focusing hard on zaniness and bad optimization being totally DP. SWERY did want DP2 to be radically different from the original. It was the producer who wanted it to be the reproduction of DP1; no doubt one of ToyBox's best selling games considering their poor lineup. I kind of wonder if that entire dog chase sequence was just cynical "here's your DP1 bro" from SWERY.
SWERY FILES #1 - The History of Deadly Premonition & Its God Awful Ports ruclips.net/video/5iGDAP8wX7A/видео.html SWERY FILES # 2 - Deadly Premonition 2: Feature Analysis and Comparison to the Original: ruclips.net/video/EJTnIRqdOjI/видео.html SWERY FILES # 3 - The Devastating Drama of D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die ruclips.net/video/yU8DC5hY1ig/видео.html
my biggest disappointment with DP2 is how easily it can be written out of the canon by the scenes of the original game itself. It feels like most of the game was cut towards the end of development and what we got was salvaged from the remnants of it.
According to some vague statements by SWERY and keep in mind, he's very biased in favor of himself, he claimed there were nearly 1,000 tickets/notes he had in with ToyBox in the final months of DP 2. He claimed ToyBox would not reply to his e-mails and they released the game without him knowing. I'm not sure the dev team was responsible for the script, but SWERY's claims might have elucidated some friction.
Dude, when that Breath of Fire 3 music kicked in, it unlocked so many hidden away memories from my past, now all I want to do is go play BoF3. Lol. So awesome. Awesome video mate! 10/10, keep up the good work!
I can’t believe I missed this video 3 years ago!!! …. Wait, it’s been three years since the release of dp 2 already???? I loved your video on the history of dp’s ports so this was beyond exciting to find, your sense of humor and pacing of the video always have me hooked. Still can’t believe dp2 turned out to be…well. All this. But honestly I was just happy to hear agent York’s voice again 😂
Amazing video! I'm someone who thinks all of your points are completely right and totally valid but also ended up kind of loving it anyway in spite of itself. But I agree that it could be so much better with even just a few minor changes/additions. It's pretty clear that development of this was troubled the entire way to say the least and it shows. I think a hard mode or harder ng+ or anything like this would actually make it so much more engaging as far as the gameplay goes. Like you said, give us a reason to care about all these upgrades and systems that barely play any factor in the game at all. If the animals/shadows were actually dangerous and hard to kill it would immediately give us more of a reason to care about not being stinky to attract their attention and for us to hunt down materials to upgrade our gun/self to be more powerful. On that note, has anyone here noticed anything different on the second playthrough? The game does have a legit ng+ unlike the first, but there's little-to-no information about it yet so I'm not sure if anything does change to make it more interesting but that would be hoping for a lot of this game I'm sure.
Great video! It was well worth the wait! I'm really bummed you encountered so many issues though :( I was so shocked by the number of glitches, soft locks, and the overall lagginess of the game footage during the video! Your overall disappointment is completely understandable and seeing your video made me understand why so many people had such difficulties getting through it...I had no idea it ran this poorly for others. I wonder if you playing a digital copy, mainly docked, and whether or not you had a newer model of switch played a difference in the game's overall performance? I'm not exaggerating when I say that I am floored by the discrepancy between our play experiences. I love Deadly Premonition but if I experienced half of what you did during your own play through there would be no way I would have recommend the sequel to anyone during my own review. (here I thought the worst was it crashing twice on me!) This is really in excusable and I can't believe Nintendo was okay to publish it in this state! I streamed the game pre-patch and while laggy in some areas, it was never in the single digits for me indoors (that I could tell). I never found myself out of bounds either and I skateboarded all over the map...I only was able to get off map in one specific spot which made for a funny video when I forced York to skateboard off the map and fall for days. I did wonder how people got York flying in the air with their skateboard as I never got it to work myself lol....I guess it depends on how well the game plays for you overall. It's so disappointing that people's mileage will vary for this release just like with the PC port. I had such high hopes that the sequel would at least be stable and run decently for everyone :( apparently that's a big ask from Toybox....I should have known given the state of Origins.
I had a great time the first week, when it was at its most broken...but my real feelings crept in as time passed. There's a lot of charm to DP 2, but it's hard for me to ignore how many sacrifices were made to make it happen. Tl;dr glad it exists, but left wanting more.
The difference between the townsfolk and their sidequests in both games is the most disappointing one to me. Being able to follow people around and see where they live adds so much to making the town feel alive. The characters will say different things depending on the chapter and the weather and where they are, which makes following them around interesting! Even when some sidequests just gave you a trading card or something, it was great for giving the characters... well, character. Nick's letter to Olivia or the General's war stories are genuinely touching. DeadPrem 2... doesn't even let you follow around some of the main characters. I think Lena's the worst case scenario, since she's introduced right before her otherworld level starts and you never get to speak to her outside of cutscenes. Similarly, Galena is only hanging around Le Carré for one chapter before meeting her demise, and any time you talk to her you get a canned response about how she can't find her dolly. She doesn't have to be wailing and dancing like Sallie all the time, but it's hard to develop any sort of feelings towards her.
Hey thanks for your perspective. Watching the digression in character routines from DP1 to DP2 to TGL is staggering. Somehow, the team managed to make the citizens look and feel more robotic than before. They straight up removed York's ability to investigate outside the confines of story missions, so you're not incentivized to follow anyone around. The plot leaves little to the imagination with the "profiling" simplified to "here's exactly whodunnit and how they did it." DP2 has grown on me, after playing TGL, but it cannot hold a candle to the depth of DP1.
Watching this again it’s baffling a Nintendo exclusive would be released this unfinished. How did they get the approval to release the game in this state? Did nobody bother to playtest this game?
Will play and think about it but for now, I have mixed feelings: “May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.” - Romans 15:13 Bible.; ”My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined” - review of Popeyes' cheddar biscuit butterfly shrimp. TheReviewBruh.
I played it when most things seemed to have been fixed and had a blast. The gameplay is nothing to write home about but I loved the story and the long dialog sections were very atmospheric and fun to watch.
Is the framerate still awful? It's £20 here in the UK atm and I'm unsure as to if I wanna pick it up. I really want to experience the story but I don't want the framerate and bugs to put me off ya know.
@@HikikomoriMedia I hope there's a chance with the pc port releasing they'll go back and make the switch a bit better? I don't have a pc so unless they bring it to xbox switch is all I got for now.
The Switch port is done development wise. Currently it's impossible to 100% the game. Check this video out for more detail: ruclips.net/video/BaxsphSCKXQ/видео.html&pp=sAQA
[Spoilers] I think it's just Kaysen being a metaphor again. Think about Kaysen just like Bob from Twin Peaks. Zach (and everyone) has both a Kaysen and a York inside ourselves. We have both our strength to fight our own evil impulses, and our own little devil that wants to make us do evil. I think the ending means that Zach defeated, but accepted his evil impulses and instead, used York's strength. Everything is a metaphor, Zach.
@@HOTD108_ I think it still kinda works. Kinda. The ending was very endearing. Issue is, it's definitely a lot less interesting than Deadly Premonition 1.
Damn, this encapsulates the current gaming zeitgeist and the problems with DP2 so fucking well and totally changed my opinion on your content. This is excellent.
Dearly Premonition 2 was absolute KiNO, I'm glad I picked the game up day 1 on my own accord instead of waiting in people's reviews to give an answer for me. Just like Fire Walk With Me this ""dissapointment"" will be fawned over in 10 years with people saying "this is great why didn't people appreciate it when it came out?"
I wonder what your thoughts and feelings on the good life are after DP2.Provided it's not another crowdfunding scam its actually shaping up to be more of a legitimate successor to DP1 then DP2 was although I still liked the game.Course it has to release first before we can make any definitive judgements.
Full disclosure: I am backer of TGL. Played the alpha and thought there was a lot of potential, but the scope is WAY bigger than DP. Real time weather, part time jobs, clothes, a whole social media system + photography. Not to mention turning into a cat/dog. There's a lot that can go wrong with so many instances running in tandem. All I will say is I am happy a PC version is on the forefront.
Great video, sums up almost every problem I had with the game perfectly. DP2 feels like the direct to DVD sequel to the original. I cannot understate how much the side content in this game disappointed me, the exploration is a huge part of why I love the original and all of those elements are just... gone. I wouldn't have minded the constant movie chatter, but it's all written with such a layer of irony to it and falls back constantly on the same "Gee Zach, this unrealistic movie sure had HYPER REALISM" bit. The original game just felt like Swery talking about his own taste in movies, rather than another bit to try and make the protagonist seem wacky.
@@HikikomoriMedia I loved so much D4, it was heartbreaking how they ended it on cliffhanger, they could AT LEAST get it to the logical conclusion (e.g. let us defeat that evil guy and abandon after that), but no, its litterally ending at characters falling in great danger. I loved DP1 and D4 (while it lasted), and I feel like everything Swery did after them, never was quite as good. Did you like The Good Life? I played the demo and enjoyed it for what it is, but it's definitely felt like "simpler league" product though I liked idea and how you need to photo things, havent got to full game yet.
Deadly Premonition was one of those games I thought looked really cool and always wanted to check out. Got it on PC not knowing how bad a port it was, but with the fixes fans made or found, it ran very well and was an enjoyable experience. If a port of 2 happens for PC I hope it is competent and I can't wait to check it out as it seems like quite the experience.
Maybe ToyBox is actually Swery's alternate persona, it would explain all the terrible amateurish coding if so. I mean, cmon - Le Carre looks like typical test level from people who just started to figure out on how to work in Unity.
Release day Zach's apartment was 22 fps, probably the highest in any part of the game as sad as that is. Skateboarding used to be 11 fps with frequent dips to the single digits. The loading screens even had multiple seconds of 0 fps. _The loading screens._ And I guess since you didn't mention the minutes-long black screen the second time York meets Houngan that they must have fixed it in a patch. Be glad. (Fps information from Digital Foundry) I agree with everything in the video except the 2019 scenes, I liked listening to Zach's insane ramblings though I really hated Aaliyah being a stupid tryhard with all the Nietzsche quotes. People actually want her to take York's place and I'm like hell no, it's not Deadly P without Francis York Morgan at the helm. Also Swery said the cutscenes of kindly grandpappy Zach from the Director's Cut aren't canon anymore :(
DP2 is probably the first where I'd tell someone to watch all the cutscenes on RUclips than to actually play the game itself. It was awful on many fronts and is at times pretty much disrespectful to the original as a videogame. Then The Good Life is well... I'd rather get some Starbucks. Swery's two newest projects, a 15fps VR Danganronpa(?) whodunnit and the other game which looks like if The Missing had combat and slasher film references. With it being a supposed collaboration with Suda where his creative involvement is questionable. Maybe Deadly Premonition (1) and D4 really were flukes...
phew this saved me some time, I was about to watch a playthrough of DP2 for a 2nd time in order to figure out if it was just me not paying enough attention or something that made the game seem confusing and full of red herrings... this in-depth analysis made it clear, contrasting DP1 scenes with DP2 really highlighted the amount of thought and craft that went into the first game
Wait, how did Zach go from looking like he was in his thirties in 2006- I mean 2010, apparently- to a withered old man in 2019? Did he have FOXDIE or Shitty Clone Syndrome or whatever Snake was supposed to have in MGS4? Was the projected York persona always supposed to look younger than what Zach actually was? Is Swery a covert member of DARE and infusing his work with messaging about the dangers of the devil's lettuce?
@@HikikomoriMedia So there is an explanation, nice. Having not played the game and only having seen images of emaciated Zach I assumed he was the grandpa Zach from the Director's Cut cutscenes that presumably took place at least 30 years after the events of DP1, so the timeline made no sense to me with only 9 years between the games' events. Apologies if this was gone over in the spoiler section, I skipped it in case that leaked Steam release really ends up happening.
I am so glad you did this video. I just finished it few days back, and I gotta say I'm still sad. First DP is one of my favorite games of all time, its such unique experience, I love it. But this sequel misses everything that made the original special. I played the PC version with fan fix so I won't talk about performance because it was good, but everything else was bad. Bland story with many nonsense, flat characters, everything in the game feels super shallow and flat, nothing has depth, you make no connection with any character, it's just sad. First game had some flaws but i could never say it was stupid or boring, but unfortunetly sequel is really boring. Im really sad that they just chug it out like this and i feel basically no love from it. And don't get me started on Houngan just sending you everywhere, there was no investigating at all...
Excellent video. Looks like a easy pass for me until a decent port is made at least. DP2 comes off as the kind of sequel you would assume none of the notable developers of the original were really involved in if you didn’t know better.
The lack of frame rate and just sheer bugginess makes me never want to play this game ever. The first game yeah I'd play that one but not this second one.
[[[SPOILERS]]] I saw multiple people in RUclips comment sections and on Reddit theorizing that York at the end of DP2 is a demon that possesses Patricia, and uses her body to type their messages to Zach. It irritated me to no end, its so dumb. I think Deadly Premontion is deep, but not *that* deep.
Hey, I know I'm late to the party, but I'd like to join in! I just started DP2 and only played the (very long) intro, so I don't know anything about the demon part, but... it's true that when I finished DP1 I perceived York as a paranormal entity. I don't speak English very fluently, but I'll try to explain myself. When we see the boy Zach and the boy York meeting for the first time in the white room, they are both wearing different pajamas. I think this is intentional to show us that they are two separate entities. Also, the way York talks to Zach in that moment... Do you know the myth about vampires, that they have to ask permission before entering a house? York tells Zach who he is, offers him a service, Zach accepts and they seal the pact with a handshake. That's not to say that York is an evil entity, because he clearly isn't. I believe that York was simply a disembodied entity that was there, perhaps drawn to Kaysen's aura, and when Zach's mind retreated inward, hiding in the white room, he took the opportunity to "enter" and ask for permission to stay in that body that had been left without a "captain" in command. I don't know if I can explain myself.If York had not been there, Zach would have ended his days as a catatonic patient. By the way, the change in clothing is also appreciated again when we play Zach at the end of the game: York was dressed in the full suit, but Zach does not wear the jacket. While I was playing DP2, I went through the cutscene where a girl whose name I can't remember "forces" York into signing a contract. She tells him to write that, if she gets sick, York must take care of her medical expenses. But York ends writing a VERY different thing. Basically what he writes is the same he promised Zach: that he was going to protect him. And that reminded me so much of that DP scene... York had once again made a pact with a human. Furthermore, the fact that York is a paranormal entity that inhabits Zach's body thanks to a pact would explain his "sensory powers" that allow him to read fortunes in coffee or see the ghosts of the victims of the original raincoat killer. Greetings. I do think DP is very deep in the writing. It's the part Sweary seems to be better at.
4:44 A funny joke, that said, I'll just assume that you don't have ADHD and the use of fidget spinners is for comedic purposes, unless I'm wrong. If Hikiko is neurotypical, then at least it's true that you are very passionate, not everyone would make a video longer than 60 minutes about Deadly Premonition 2. Amazing video by the way, this is very well done.
I need help to find from HDMI output to RCA input or component cables input for my Plasma TV. Please do tell what cables did you use? Is sound working from your Commadore CRT monitor when you hook up HDMI to RCA for your Switch?
Hello my friend, I used a generic HDMI to RCA converter box I found on amazon, using standard composite cables.The sound was working on my commodore crt.
I'm so glad the PC port fixed the framerate issue. At least I never had frames like that. Edit* also never encountered dialogue softlocks so either I'm lucky or the steam port is the only version worth a damn.
Edit: just watched your last Swery Files video, never mind that. As I understand Director's Cut is no more canon - Deadly Premonition Origins is which doesn't include new scenes. Also I didn't put together 4 Davids as D4 reference but there's a remark to Aliyh question to the noise from ceiling in Zach's room. He answers to her that it's his noisy neighbor, and that his wife was killed but people in suits closed the case, but he's been kicking more and more recently (almost a quote from a game). Edit: this still applies. Another thing - those red letters in new character's introductions. According to Swery this is a thing that no one guessed and he had to bring it up on twiiter. In the end all those letters are an anagram to "Devil whispers in2 Zachs ear". Cool cool. I don't know, personally I had my share of good moments from DP2 but there's also a lot flaws. Maybe Swery can't into good writing anymore or he was busy with another game development, this Good Life or producers pushed their vision - who knows. I would really hope all this stuff isn't for nothing and he plans on bringing D4 back but I don't hold my breath. Let's see what comes off this Good Life that seems to ooze with Swery's quirks and hope that no one gets in his way.
@@HikikomoriMedia I think your conclusions are spot on. Pity if we won't see the sequel. But I just can't understand why Zach said "he's been kicking more and more recently'? I thought he implied something, hmmm.
That framerate is a killer. I couldn't beat a game with a framerate like that. I know this isn't place to ask but is the PS3 version of the first game worth getting? The Director's Cut? I'm kinda interested since I liked Twin Peaks and it looks like a quirky, mysterious game but I don't wanna buy it if it's unplayable. I'd get the original version but I don't own a 360.
In the first episode of the SWERY files, I have a comparison section of all versions. Check it out and pick your poison, so to speak. Swery files #1 ruclips.net/video/5iGDAP8wX7A/видео.html
Also, I find it a bit hypocritical that I see people berating this game for "stereotypical african-american tropes" or "trans representation" and no one bats an eye about the most insidious trope in the game about incests in southern white families.
Having just finished the PC version of DP2, I'll agree with most of the criticism besides the main story. It's consistently great, although it does feel a bit rushed at times, especially in chapter 2. It's strange how we get introduced to Lena - arguably this game's main villain and one of the more interesting characters - and then 10 minutes later she dies. Oh, and performance issues are a thing of the past with this PC version. I'm very happy this game exists as a way to wrap up the story from DP1. Especially the ending part is particularly strong. If viewed as an interactive story, this game is great... However, as a game it has some 'interesting' design choices. I enjoyed the design of Le Carre and the genuine infusion of Louisiana culture that makes the town feels like an immersive, real place. But whoever designed the side quests and the stamps should be checked into an asylum. Not only do virtually none of these quests add anything to the story, but I can confidently say I've never seen grindier quests in any single player game. 100 game overs? 30 perfect games of bowling? The complete annihilation of the entire animal population of Louisiana (750 kills per animal)? Not to mention my disappointment when I realized every "Otherworld" section is literally identical except bosses. Every section reuses the same textures from the sugar plantation... And there's a grand total of 3 enemies, none of which pose a threat in the slightest. I literally had to stop and observe the third (and final) enemy type to even know what their attacks were, since they're so slow and weak you'll just easily kill them before they get to do anything.
I had pretty much the same feelings about this game - I'm glad it exists and I'm glad I played it, but it was, overall, pretty disappointing. It definitely feels like it wasn't done. Not even close. It was in some sort of pre-alpha state, and they were just forced to release it.
It should have been delayed, for sure. And i wouldn't even say to fix framerate or all that, but to add little details, like flavour text and other small conversations that would enrich the characters and world.
Now you're making it real hard to choose which SWERY file is the best, D4 or this, simply for the rant on modern gaming and the fidget spinner ending. A Shame about SWERY and his games. Ironically, Toybox also made another Switch game that is semi-open world and it supposedly runs better than DP2. You might have heard of it. It's DC Superhero Girls : Teen Power.
"Rushed and unfinished" it is. Myself I have never encountered a single softlock, so my playthrough was smooth, the only mistake I had made is dedicating about 30 hours to sidequests before deciding to just finish the game. The story felt unfinished, but I'm a simple man and I enjoyed the York and Zach moments. I wasn't very impressed with the final act at all, but the epic wholesome chungus scene with Zach chatting with York using the zoomer slang put a smile on my face at least. I thought exactly the same thing - that DP1 was much more ambitious. Story was so thorough. Graphics were so much better. But it still wasn't a very good game, and... DP1 was never a huge success, right? And the studio that owns it isn't exactly the most prestigious company, considering their poor ports... It's not like they do the shoddy ports out of pure malice, they're shoddy low profit companies filled with unskilled staff. Both Toybox Inc's and Rising Star Games's portfolios are pretty poor. And Swery's own White Owls is... I've noticed that you played The Good Life only after DP2, but as someone who played TGL before DP2 (I didn't finish it but I plan to at some point), that was the most similar game to DP2. So... I just think it all comes down to coming terms with the reality of the fact that our dream DP2 was always an impossibility - there's just no staff and budget at these companies for this kind of game. And according to interviews, it was further destroyed by COVID, which Swery had a very hard time adjusting his workflow to. And the claim that developers straight up ghosted him, the director, for several months prior to release, is just wild. If this is true, I don't see how Swery would ever want to work with them again, so, here goes our final DP. Maybe DP2 really is some kind of meta commentary with how it went through disastrous development cycle yet again, presumably got budget way lower than original, and instead of the positive meme acclaim of the older internet it got the taste of the cancel culture of the modern internet. I wonder what's next for Swery. TGL and DP2 make me think he has some kind of fetish for grind. I hope not. It's just depressing seeing developers I liked being forced into unfavorable conditions with small studios where it's pretty much an impossibility to develop bigger games again. You must've seen Tomonobu "Oatmeal Cookie" Itagaki shilling NFTs recently. It got met with boos and accusing him of being lowly conman. But I think that's just sad. It's not like they want it. Senior devs falling out of public consciousness pretty much can't return. I have a relevant story about it. The financial crisis of 2008 wiped out all game dev studios in my country. I had no idea where most of them had gone. But I did some research recently. Some managed to return with new studios to a huge success, some became perpetual outsource studios for bigger studios from the richer countries, some resorted to making browser games and then mobile games for all eternity. I've read interview with one of the latter. One studio was well known for making multiple critically acclaimed series and they didn't have a single blemish on their portfolio. They were really proud of it and director was always brimming with creativity. Many wondered where he was gone. But when he resurfaced, it wasn't with the good news. He pretty much said he's only been making browser games and mobile games since then, he tried to approach many publishers to give his studio work, but all of them were shot down, and from his words, there's just no way out out of this hell. I hope that will not be Swery's ultimate fate.
I'm hoping SWERY will scale back, focus on a small 3-5 hour games. One narrative. Bizarre story, but charm. Something in line with The Missing. I want Hotel Barcelona to be the culmination of two video game auteurs delivering something exceptional.
@@HikikomoriMedia pretty much. I think people's perception of DP1 as "a game on shoestring budget" created grossly mismatched expectations because in comparison it was a fucking AAA production. Big games could be cool, but only when there's actually a team and a budget capable of that. Although revealed Hotel Barcelona looks really weird... It also looks like a proper small game. Maybe SWERY will learn to embrace that from Suda.
It’s just a shame even after patches the sequel still barely runs 20fps. At least it’s more stable but wow. I did see someone running it on a Switch emulator at 50fps and it was actually running without any issues besides a small stutter here and there
Well, the PC port passable. Stable 60fps and no crashing. No graphics options, etc. Super barebones. There are still some bugs. I once got off my board and opened the map during an opening cutscene for a location and it soft locked the game. Didn't lose any progress though. Regardless, the game still suffers from all the problems that are lined out here. Weak story, weak gameplay, weak characters, etc. I'm assuming F.K. is Swery's Moonlight Greatsword but holy shit, I was fine with F.K. just being the name of a restaurant, not the actual salesman. Of course I wasn't expect Forrest again because that would be REALLY DUMB yet here we are.
This game needs a PC port that reworks massive chunks of this game with additional story content and characters (an actual Director’s Cut), DP2 was largely a downgrade from the original though I’m glad it exists.
I have to agree with so much of what you said about DP2, even though I loved the setting, characters and music. It is indeed a shallower experience when compared to DP1, it feels like a game rushed to the market and it REALLY shows. Toybox's incompetence as a developer is shocking, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that frame rate, I thought something was wrong with my Switch. I hope emulation fixes the performance in the future, but the code is so badly optimized I'm not sure we'll ever see a stable frame rate. Sigh...
Seeing so many people on social media praise them game for being a broken mess and pushing the narrative that DP 1 was always "bad" was really insufferable to keep seeing online. So glad you set the record straight
I replayed the Xbox One X version to see if my memories were being clouded by nostalgia and no, it’s just the ports of DP that are garbage, the 360 release is not a broken piece of junk. Unfortunately Toybox has done a lot to damage the game’s reputation, DP was janky not a damn disaster.
The LORD hungers!
one of the few legit funny moments from dp2
That quest was cute until it wasted my time by making me sleep from Wed - Monday to get those beans from Alexus.
I think the saddest thing about Deadly Premonition 2 is that lack of mystery you mentioned. I remember buying the first Deadly Premonition the day it launched and being so immersed in that world. I was writing down notes about Greenvale inhabitants in a notebook, following them around to see what they were up to. Peaking through windows, learning more about them through side quests and observations. Learning as much as I could by engaging with the game's world. The narrative was also compelling and pushed me see things through. And by the end of the game it was this very sad but uplifting conclusion made better by that mystery as being one of the core aspects of the first Deadly Premonition.
How did you know about it at launch? I thought it was super niche at first
@@spaceowl5957 well, for many of the first fans of the game it was the trailer that depicted, can you take a guess? that's right Zach, Twin Peaks: the video game, which is where the majority of the first fans came from. from there it gained a cult following from indie Japanese horror and Crime drama fan-bases.
This was fun to explore and help record footage for ya!
Always great to see your point of view and here's to more Swery Files!
Which was your footage? :D Yes please! for more Swery files!
@@WhitneyPlays Random clips and softlocks, like York shooting with his back bending backwards, and York flying over the forest during the musical segment. A few others sprinkled here and there!
It's "funny" to see how the step backward between DP1&2 can be summarized with : the sheriff's office. In DP1 it have multiple rooms, multiple characters' routines, possibilities to eat/sleep/shave and a path to the basement. All of these things are gone in DP2. Gosh, even the basement (which is poorer than the first one) need a loading. This is an absolute nonsense. Don't know what's my predominant feeling about this "blessing in disguise"... Is it anger or is it pure sadness ? Why not both :/
Again, congrats for your work !!!
- A french DP(1) fan
The most underrated game reviewer from France commenting on a video from the most underrated game reviewer from the US. Hmmm...
Did you see that, Zach?!
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Super weird thought, but I've managed to reason to myself that the reason the first Deadly Premonition ended up with so many layers was because SWERY technically had years to work on the game, considering it got shelved back in a previous console cycle after several delays before suddenly getting picked up again much later.
The sequel on the other hand actually made its initial deadline. Maybe he should've pushed it back rather than try to make the date.
Is that a Flower, Sun, & Rain mug at the beginning? An amazing Suda51 title.
I literally started cry-laughing during the True Detective intro segment.
Patricia be like:mr York is too late for you to walk with a child in the streets
york:do you want me to scout you to your house
Patricia:I NOT A CHILD
I just finished Deadly Premonition 2 first time last night and had very mixed opinions on it and agree almost 100 percent on you criticism of it. I loved the first one but dp2 just failed to live up to the original.
Check out the first SWERY FILES I did on DP1. It's one of my fave videos on the channel
I was recommended this video by a friend of mine and while I enjoyed DP2 for the most part (I waited a patch or two to make the framerate somewhat more tolerable) I am not blind to its flaws, which you did a great job at analysing. It very much feels like Swery had a bunch of ideas and notes for the game that gradually got whittled away for budgetary reasons, ultimately leading to the proverbial death by a thousand cuts. There are glimpses of an engaging and satisfying story at times but they're rare, and the gulfs between these glimpses only make them more noticeable.
I certainly agree that there was no reason for Kaysen to be directly involved in the game except maybe as the original catalyst for Lena developing Saint Rouge. He definitely should've also been wearing a wearing different outfit and the framing in the "Luigi's mansion" scene between him and Lena could've been done differently , so his silhouette wasn't immediately recognisable but could be deduced (though not with 100% certainty) by fans of DP1. That combined with, say, Kaysen driving his truck past York's balcony during breakfast on his way out of Le Carre would've made the connection to him tangible for DP fans without being ridiculously in-your-face obvious.
while i wouldnt say that we feel the same way about the game, i cant really say that i can disagree with any of ur points either. i guess i just dont really care as much, and tend to look at the positives more, nor were my expectations or hopes v high to begin with haha. which may or may be a bad outlook sometimes i dunno. granted i didnt experience any glitches, and u clearly did not have that amount of luck because JESUS. i did not know DP2 could go full bethesda like that. the only things that i got hung up about personally, was how sucky the shooter segments were, and how the plot went all over the place for a bit. but i still found that entertaining for what it was. still, i can absolutely understand why u lovingly hate it.
another stellar video either way tho! also CRT DP2 looks kinda cool in its own way ngl
Is it too much to expect a 240p option in the modern era?
As much as it pains me to admit it, I agree 100% with this review. I ended up loving DP2 just because I love fan-servicey shit like that ending was, but there's no denying that DP2, performance issues aside, is a much more shallow experience than the original. I finished it once and haven't felt like going back since, and I probably won't ever.
Meanwhile, the original gets replayed at least 1-2 times a year just because I'm always learning something new each time. Sucks that we didn't get the great DP sequel that we've wanted all these years, but if anything, it's nice to know that more people have garnered an interest in the original and have the ability to play it at all.
I had no idea about the midnight thing - I never stayed up that late in my entire playthrough...
The atmosphere of DP1 is unparallelled. While everyone complains about the "oversized" town, I adore it. It's actually realistic. Have you been to rural towns? They really are like this. Long stretches of road connecting houses, factories and farms. It's great.
If you get Carol's car, the Galaxy of Terror song plays in the background while driving in the rain. Play it in first person. It's unironically and genuinely immersive and amazing. I haven't played anything even close to capturing the mood, and it's honestly unfortunate that DP1 has a "so bad it's good" thing. Yes it's all of that too, but at many points the game is profoundly great and beautiful.
Le Carre just doesn't have that draw. I miss the car. I miss seeing where people are on the map. I miss having more reoccuring side characters to eat lunch with. I love DP2 but can feel in my bones I won't play it again. Whereas DP1 holds a special place in my heart.
this game just goes to show how relatively well the overlong cutscenes and slow story of MGS 4 were handled in comparison.
I loved Deadly Premonition 2 but I can totally see your arguments, but man do I just not care after how much fun I had in the game and I love it more than the original. If we are going to go FULL META.
B movies always have a strange sequel before bridging the 2 styles in the 3rd
I liked the game. It did right by York as a character through the writing, I thought. But it was kinda unnecessary as a story. Liked the set-up and structure, but the ending - while nice - made me shrug me shoulders a little. Know what it reminded me of? El Camino. Didn't ruin Breaking Bad, but what was the point?
You can't capture lightning in a bottle twice, but Swery gave it his best. And he did it with love, and a little love goes a long way for me given how cynical games are these days
that's a great point of view. I am biased towards El Camino. A friend of mine was shot by Jesse Pinkman in the movie.
@@HikikomoriMedia Hahahaha, oh that Jesse. What a prick :)
I can’t believe such a sad video could make me so happy. We finally got it. But at what cost?
Great video - it was tough to hear some of your honesty, but it is backed up. I enjoyed the comprehensiveness of the video, similar to the first SWERY Files video. I think with the production quality, it could only result in good things if SWERY (or Toybox) ever watches it. Also, it's important to recognize that, as fans, we really could've gotten a better story.
That clip of being able to talk to Melvin in his cult gear on the boat is a great find!
Much appreciated!
Okay I guess not many will agree here but I really felt the first game was intended to be way more serious and dark, "lynchian" but came out more wacky and zany unintentionally.
Seeing how well that worked, DP2 reeeally leaned into the "crazy funny" and as mentioned in this video, MEMES of course.
To me that didn't work one bit, just as no movie that Tommy Wiseau made after The Room has managed to capture the unintentional comedy that it had.
Some things you just can't force, and Deadly Premonition is one of them.
I totally agree with you. DP1 had equal measures of drama and comedy. DP2 is a cynical fascimile of True Detective and Deadly Premonition, without the sincere heart imo.
@@HikikomoriMedia I think the intro with Zach is pretty sincere. The story just kinda falls apart and is very poorly told. And let's not pretend that SWERY has complete control over the direction just because of disillusionment; the marketing is done by ToyBox, and they were the ones focusing hard on zaniness and bad optimization being totally DP. SWERY did want DP2 to be radically different from the original. It was the producer who wanted it to be the reproduction of DP1; no doubt one of ToyBox's best selling games considering their poor lineup.
I kind of wonder if that entire dog chase sequence was just cynical "here's your DP1 bro" from SWERY.
SWERY FILES #1 - The History of Deadly Premonition & Its God Awful Ports
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SWERY FILES # 2 - Deadly Premonition 2: Feature Analysis and Comparison to the Original:
ruclips.net/video/EJTnIRqdOjI/видео.html
SWERY FILES # 3 - The Devastating Drama of D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die
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my biggest disappointment with DP2 is how easily it can be written out of the canon by the scenes of the original game itself. It feels like most of the game was cut towards the end of development and what we got was salvaged from the remnants of it.
According to some vague statements by SWERY and keep in mind, he's very biased in favor of himself, he claimed there were nearly 1,000 tickets/notes he had in with ToyBox in the final months of DP 2. He claimed ToyBox would not reply to his e-mails and they released the game without him knowing. I'm not sure the dev team was responsible for the script, but SWERY's claims might have elucidated some friction.
Dude, when that Breath of Fire 3 music kicked in, it unlocked so many hidden away memories from my past, now all I want to do is go play BoF3. Lol. So awesome. Awesome video mate! 10/10, keep up the good work!
it's my default montage music haha
I can’t believe I missed this video 3 years ago!!! …. Wait, it’s been three years since the release of dp 2 already???? I loved your video on the history of dp’s ports so this was beyond exciting to find, your sense of humor and pacing of the video always have me hooked. Still can’t believe dp2 turned out to be…well. All this. But honestly I was just happy to hear agent York’s voice again 😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing video! I'm someone who thinks all of your points are completely right and totally valid but also ended up kind of loving it anyway in spite of itself. But I agree that it could be so much better with even just a few minor changes/additions. It's pretty clear that development of this was troubled the entire way to say the least and it shows.
I think a hard mode or harder ng+ or anything like this would actually make it so much more engaging as far as the gameplay goes. Like you said, give us a reason to care about all these upgrades and systems that barely play any factor in the game at all. If the animals/shadows were actually dangerous and hard to kill it would immediately give us more of a reason to care about not being stinky to attract their attention and for us to hunt down materials to upgrade our gun/self to be more powerful. On that note, has anyone here noticed anything different on the second playthrough? The game does have a legit ng+ unlike the first, but there's little-to-no information about it yet so I'm not sure if anything does change to make it more interesting but that would be hoping for a lot of this game I'm sure.
Great video! It was well worth the wait! I'm really bummed you encountered so many issues though :( I was so shocked by the number of glitches, soft locks, and the overall lagginess of the game footage during the video! Your overall disappointment is completely understandable and seeing your video made me understand why so many people had such difficulties getting through it...I had no idea it ran this poorly for others. I wonder if you playing a digital copy, mainly docked, and whether or not you had a newer model of switch played a difference in the game's overall performance?
I'm not exaggerating when I say that I am floored by the discrepancy between our play experiences. I love Deadly Premonition but if I experienced half of what you did during your own play through there would be no way I would have recommend the sequel to anyone during my own review. (here I thought the worst was it crashing twice on me!) This is really in excusable and I can't believe Nintendo was okay to publish it in this state! I streamed the game pre-patch and while laggy in some areas, it was never in the single digits for me indoors (that I could tell). I never found myself out of bounds either and I skateboarded all over the map...I only was able to get off map in one specific spot which made for a funny video when I forced York to skateboard off the map and fall for days.
I did wonder how people got York flying in the air with their skateboard as I never got it to work myself lol....I guess it depends on how well the game plays for you overall. It's so disappointing that people's mileage will vary for this release just like with the PC port. I had such high hopes that the sequel would at least be stable and run decently for everyone :( apparently that's a big ask from Toybox....I should have known given the state of Origins.
I had a great time the first week, when it was at its most broken...but my real feelings crept in as time passed. There's a lot of charm to DP 2, but it's hard for me to ignore how many sacrifices were made to make it happen.
Tl;dr glad it exists, but left wanting more.
The difference between the townsfolk and their sidequests in both games is the most disappointing one to me. Being able to follow people around and see where they live adds so much to making the town feel alive. The characters will say different things depending on the chapter and the weather and where they are, which makes following them around interesting! Even when some sidequests just gave you a trading card or something, it was great for giving the characters... well, character. Nick's letter to Olivia or the General's war stories are genuinely touching.
DeadPrem 2... doesn't even let you follow around some of the main characters. I think Lena's the worst case scenario, since she's introduced right before her otherworld level starts and you never get to speak to her outside of cutscenes. Similarly, Galena is only hanging around Le Carré for one chapter before meeting her demise, and any time you talk to her you get a canned response about how she can't find her dolly. She doesn't have to be wailing and dancing like Sallie all the time, but it's hard to develop any sort of feelings towards her.
Hey thanks for your perspective. Watching the digression in character routines from DP1 to DP2 to TGL is staggering. Somehow, the team managed to make the citizens look and feel more robotic than before. They straight up removed York's ability to investigate outside the confines of story missions, so you're not incentivized to follow anyone around. The plot leaves little to the imagination with the "profiling" simplified to "here's exactly whodunnit and how they did it." DP2 has grown on me, after playing TGL, but it cannot hold a candle to the depth of DP1.
Watching this again it’s baffling a Nintendo exclusive would be released this unfinished. How did they get the approval to release the game in this state? Did nobody bother to playtest this game?
Incredible video! Would easily watch 2 hours of it or more. Great job!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw the Xenoblade side quests for what they were @ 27:00
Will play and think about it but for now, I have mixed feelings: “May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.” - Romans 15:13 Bible.; ”My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined” - review of Popeyes' cheddar biscuit butterfly shrimp. TheReviewBruh.
I was going to make a review brah reference in one of the original takes. Had the whole suit already
I played it when most things seemed to have been fixed and had a blast. The gameplay is nothing to write home about but I loved the story and the long dialog sections were very atmospheric and fun to watch.
Is the framerate still awful? It's £20 here in the UK atm and I'm unsure as to if I wanna pick it up. I really want to experience the story but I don't want the framerate and bugs to put me off ya know.
Still awful. PC port is coming in 2021, I will put something out about it when the time comes.
Tbf it is. But I had no crashes and the like at all. But it's very unoptimised.
@@HikikomoriMedia I hope there's a chance with the pc port releasing they'll go back and make the switch a bit better? I don't have a pc so unless they bring it to xbox switch is all I got for now.
The Switch port is done development wise. Currently it's impossible to 100% the game. Check this video out for more detail: ruclips.net/video/BaxsphSCKXQ/видео.html&pp=sAQA
Oh my god yes, I can hardly wait to watch this
[Spoilers]
I think it's just Kaysen being a metaphor again. Think about Kaysen just like Bob from Twin Peaks. Zach (and everyone) has both a Kaysen and a York inside ourselves. We have both our strength to fight our own evil impulses, and our own little devil that wants to make us do evil. I think the ending means that Zach defeated, but accepted his evil impulses and instead, used York's strength.
Everything is a metaphor, Zach.
@@HOTD108_ I think it still kinda works. Kinda. The ending was very endearing.
Issue is, it's definitely a lot less interesting than Deadly Premonition 1.
Damn, this encapsulates the current gaming zeitgeist and the problems with DP2 so fucking well and totally changed my opinion on your content. This is excellent.
Well thanks for hearing me out. This came outta love
(Huey Lewis voice) THATS THE POWER OF PIZZA
Amazing video. One of the best if not the best of this channel. I am glad you didn't go soft on this game. Thank you.
🎂
@@HikikomoriMedia Didn't have the best birthday, but your video was a highlight. Thanks again!
Oh my, this is going to be a ride for me :D
oh god, I certainly wasn't expecting this....
Amazing video. Such a shame DP2 turned out to be everything I feared it would be.
Im so glad this video exists
The black guy fattening up the white woman. I can't.
1:17 excellent comedic timing hahaha
57:03 Never forget , Rip Hikiko's stomach
I haven't forgotten
That extra brownie came from another Kid Cuisine. He probably bought two boxes for that analogy. The great lengths one goes for their art...
I'm now glad I only just recently got around to playing Deadly Premonition 2 because the game is considerably less buggy now.
Dearly Premonition 2 was absolute KiNO, I'm glad I picked the game up day 1 on my own accord instead of waiting in people's reviews to give an answer for me.
Just like Fire Walk With Me this ""dissapointment"" will be fawned over in 10 years with people saying "this is great why didn't people appreciate it when it came out?"
I wonder what your thoughts and feelings on the good life are after DP2.Provided it's not another crowdfunding scam its actually shaping up to be more of a legitimate successor to DP1 then DP2 was although I still liked the game.Course it has to release first before we can make any definitive judgements.
Full disclosure: I am backer of TGL. Played the alpha and thought there was a lot of potential, but the scope is WAY bigger than DP. Real time weather, part time jobs, clothes, a whole social media system + photography. Not to mention turning into a cat/dog. There's a lot that can go wrong with so many instances running in tandem. All I will say is I am happy a PC version is on the forefront.
Great video, sums up almost every problem I had with the game perfectly. DP2 feels like the direct to DVD sequel to the original.
I cannot understate how much the side content in this game disappointed me, the exploration is a huge part of why I love the original and all of those elements are just... gone. I wouldn't have minded the constant movie chatter, but it's all written with such a layer of irony to it and falls back constantly on the same "Gee Zach, this unrealistic movie sure had HYPER REALISM" bit. The original game just felt like Swery talking about his own taste in movies, rather than another bit to try and make the protagonist seem wacky.
Best part of DP2 was the music. Such a bummer otherwise. Amazing video, I loveee the SWERY Files.
Thanks. Check out the D4 SWERY Files. It kinda ties into this one
@@HikikomoriMedia I loved so much D4, it was heartbreaking how they ended it on cliffhanger, they could AT LEAST get it to the logical conclusion (e.g. let us defeat that evil guy and abandon after that), but no, its litterally ending at characters falling in great danger.
I loved DP1 and D4 (while it lasted), and I feel like everything Swery did after them, never was quite as good. Did you like The Good Life? I played the demo and enjoyed it for what it is, but it's definitely felt like "simpler league" product though I liked idea and how you need to photo things, havent got to full game yet.
@@kurisuchiinathecrocodile333 I have two videos dedicated to The Good Life. Check the swery files playlist and enjoy
Deadly Premonition was one of those games I thought looked really cool and always wanted to check out. Got it on PC not knowing how bad a port it was, but with the fixes fans made or found, it ran very well and was an enjoyable experience. If a port of 2 happens for PC I hope it is competent and I can't wait to check it out as it seems like quite the experience.
I didn't even realize that there was some sneaky retconning going on
No shot they made Zach look like an old Asmongold...
Who's name is also Zach... coincidence? Yeah.
Asmongold's content is quite terrible in my opinion
@@Nov-5062 Not to be rude, I hope you understand, but that sounds like a you problem and not a me problem.
Maybe ToyBox is actually Swery's alternate persona, it would explain all the terrible amateurish coding if so.
I mean, cmon - Le Carre looks like typical test level from people who just started to figure out on how to work in Unity.
Another round of excellent content! I think you have earned a new subscriber.
Release day Zach's apartment was 22 fps, probably the highest in any part of the game as sad as that is. Skateboarding used to be 11 fps with frequent dips to the single digits. The loading screens even had multiple seconds of 0 fps. _The loading screens._ And I guess since you didn't mention the minutes-long black screen the second time York meets Houngan that they must have fixed it in a patch. Be glad. (Fps information from Digital Foundry)
I agree with everything in the video except the 2019 scenes, I liked listening to Zach's insane ramblings though I really hated Aaliyah being a stupid tryhard with all the Nietzsche quotes. People actually want her to take York's place and I'm like hell no, it's not Deadly P without Francis York Morgan at the helm. Also Swery said the cutscenes of kindly grandpappy Zach from the Director's Cut aren't canon anymore :(
DP2 is probably the first where I'd tell someone to watch all the cutscenes on RUclips than to actually play the game itself. It was awful on many fronts and is at times pretty much disrespectful to the original as a videogame. Then The Good Life is well... I'd rather get some Starbucks.
Swery's two newest projects, a 15fps VR Danganronpa(?) whodunnit and the other game which looks like if The Missing had combat and slasher film references. With it being a supposed collaboration with Suda where his creative involvement is questionable. Maybe Deadly Premonition (1) and D4 really were flukes...
Whatever he does next, we'll be there to report haha
phew this saved me some time, I was about to watch a playthrough of DP2 for a 2nd time in order to figure out if it was just me not paying enough attention or something that made the game seem confusing and full of red herrings... this in-depth analysis made it clear, contrasting DP1 scenes with DP2 really highlighted the amount of thought and craft that went into the first game
Wait, how did Zach go from looking like he was in his thirties in 2006- I mean 2010, apparently- to a withered old man in 2019?
Did he have FOXDIE or Shitty Clone Syndrome or whatever Snake was supposed to have in MGS4? Was the projected York persona always supposed to look younger than what Zach actually was? Is Swery a covert member of DARE and infusing his work with messaging about the dangers of the devil's lettuce?
In DP 2, he has a rare form of cancer (which could also be influenced by the antagonist). It's a subplot introduced, then hand waived off.
@@HikikomoriMedia So there is an explanation, nice. Having not played the game and only having seen images of emaciated Zach I assumed he was the grandpa Zach from the Director's Cut cutscenes that presumably took place at least 30 years after the events of DP1, so the timeline made no sense to me with only 9 years between the games' events.
Apologies if this was gone over in the spoiler section, I skipped it in case that leaked Steam release really ends up happening.
I am so glad you did this video. I just finished it few days back, and I gotta say I'm still sad. First DP is one of my favorite games of all time, its such unique experience, I love it. But this sequel misses everything that made the original special. I played the PC version with fan fix so I won't talk about performance because it was good, but everything else was bad. Bland story with many nonsense, flat characters, everything in the game feels super shallow and flat, nothing has depth, you make no connection with any character, it's just sad. First game had some flaws but i could never say it was stupid or boring, but unfortunetly sequel is really boring. Im really sad that they just chug it out like this and i feel basically no love from it. And don't get me started on Houngan just sending you everywhere, there was no investigating at all...
The dealer reference was way to spot on
Excellent video. Looks like a easy pass for me until a decent port is made at least.
DP2 comes off as the kind of sequel you would assume none of the notable developers of the original were really involved in if you didn’t know better.
Although it is the kind of sequel you expect if you're aware of Toybox's track record with the Deadly Premonition 1 ports.
The lack of frame rate and just sheer bugginess makes me never want to play this game ever. The first game yeah I'd play that one but not this second one.
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I saw multiple people in RUclips comment sections and on Reddit theorizing that York at the end of DP2 is a demon that possesses Patricia, and uses her body to type their messages to Zach. It irritated me to no end, its so dumb. I think Deadly Premontion is deep, but not *that* deep.
Hey, I know I'm late to the party, but I'd like to join in! I just started DP2 and only played the (very long) intro, so I don't know anything about the demon part, but... it's true that when I finished DP1 I perceived York as a paranormal entity. I don't speak English very fluently, but I'll try to explain myself. When we see the boy Zach and the boy York meeting for the first time in the white room, they are both wearing different pajamas. I think this is intentional to show us that they are two separate entities. Also, the way York talks to Zach in that moment... Do you know the myth about vampires, that they have to ask permission before entering a house? York tells Zach who he is, offers him a service, Zach accepts and they seal the pact with a handshake. That's not to say that York is an evil entity, because he clearly isn't. I believe that York was simply a disembodied entity that was there, perhaps drawn to Kaysen's aura, and when Zach's mind retreated inward, hiding in the white room, he took the opportunity to "enter" and ask for permission to stay in that body that had been left without a "captain" in command. I don't know if I can explain myself.If York had not been there, Zach would have ended his days as a catatonic patient. By the way, the change in clothing is also appreciated again when we play Zach at the end of the game: York was dressed in the full suit, but Zach does not wear the jacket. While I was playing DP2, I went through the cutscene where a girl whose name I can't remember "forces" York into signing a contract. She tells him to write that, if she gets sick, York must take care of her medical expenses. But York ends writing a VERY different thing. Basically what he writes is the same he promised Zach: that he was going to protect him. And that reminded me so much of that DP scene... York had once again made a pact with a human. Furthermore, the fact that York is a paranormal entity that inhabits Zach's body thanks to a pact would explain his "sensory powers" that allow him to read fortunes in coffee or see the ghosts of the victims of the original raincoat killer. Greetings.
I do think DP is very deep in the writing. It's the part Sweary seems to be better at.
I finished this game a few days ago. Fuck, you just reminded me that I never used the magnum shots. There was no challenge in those bosses.
Charge shot slays everything.
4:44 A funny joke, that said, I'll just assume that you don't have ADHD and the use of fidget spinners is for comedic purposes, unless I'm wrong. If Hikiko is neurotypical, then at least it's true that you are very passionate, not everyone would make a video longer than 60 minutes about Deadly Premonition 2. Amazing video by the way, this is very well done.
There's many things untypical about me, I'll say that much lol
I hope Swery made new Deadly Premonition game!
I need help to find from HDMI output to RCA input or component cables input for my Plasma TV.
Please do tell what cables did you use?
Is sound working from your Commadore CRT monitor when you hook up HDMI to RCA for your Switch?
Hello my friend,
I used a generic HDMI to RCA converter box I found on amazon, using standard composite cables.The sound was working on my commodore crt.
I'm so glad the PC port fixed the framerate issue. At least I never had frames like that.
Edit* also never encountered dialogue softlocks so either I'm lucky or the steam port is the only version worth a damn.
i still had stuttering when outside on the pc version though. ran neither stable at 30 nor at 60 fps. (at 30 the animations even glitched out)
Cool
Fuck I gotta hit up the super market to stack on snacks for this video!!!! Gonna be like a movie night!!!
Ugh they Flanderized York and made he and Kayson 'destined enemies'. Glad I passed on 2.
I always thought Zach was talking about himself and York in that scene, not Kaysen.
Edit: just watched your last Swery Files video, never mind that.
As I understand Director's Cut is no more canon - Deadly Premonition Origins is which doesn't include new scenes. Also I didn't put together 4 Davids as D4 reference but there's a remark to Aliyh question to the noise from ceiling in Zach's room. He answers to her that it's his noisy neighbor, and that his wife was killed but people in suits closed the case, but he's been kicking more and more recently (almost a quote from a game).
Edit: this still applies.
Another thing - those red letters in new character's introductions. According to Swery this is a thing that no one guessed and he had to bring it up on twiiter. In the end all those letters are an anagram to "Devil whispers in2 Zachs ear". Cool cool. I don't know, personally I had my share of good moments from DP2 but there's also a lot flaws. Maybe Swery can't into good writing anymore or he was busy with another game development, this Good Life or producers pushed their vision - who knows. I would really hope all this stuff isn't for nothing and he plans on bringing D4 back but I don't hold my breath. Let's see what comes off this Good Life that seems to ooze with Swery's quirks and hope that no one gets in his way.
I just released a D4 swery files. check it out and let me know what you think!
@@HikikomoriMedia I think your conclusions are spot on. Pity if we won't see the sequel. But I just can't understand why Zach said "he's been kicking more and more recently'? I thought he implied something, hmmm.
That framerate is a killer. I couldn't beat a game with a framerate like that.
I know this isn't place to ask but is the PS3 version of the first game worth getting? The Director's Cut? I'm kinda interested since I liked Twin Peaks and it looks like a quirky, mysterious game but I don't wanna buy it if it's unplayable.
I'd get the original version but I don't own a 360.
In the first episode of the SWERY files, I have a comparison section of all versions. Check it out and pick your poison, so to speak.
Swery files #1 ruclips.net/video/5iGDAP8wX7A/видео.html
@@HikikomoriMedia cool, I'll watch it.
The original release of DP was squeaky clean with absolutely no jank? Someone’s got some crazy ass rose tinted glasses man.
Watch my documentary on the subject and maybe you'll see my point of view:
ruclips.net/video/5iGDAP8wX7A/видео.html
Also, I find it a bit hypocritical that I see people berating this game for "stereotypical african-american tropes" or "trans representation" and no one bats an eye about the most insidious trope in the game about incests in southern white families.
Having just finished the PC version of DP2, I'll agree with most of the criticism besides the main story. It's consistently great, although it does feel a bit rushed at times, especially in chapter 2. It's strange how we get introduced to Lena - arguably this game's main villain and one of the more interesting characters - and then 10 minutes later she dies. Oh, and performance issues are a thing of the past with this PC version.
I'm very happy this game exists as a way to wrap up the story from DP1. Especially the ending part is particularly strong. If viewed as an interactive story, this game is great... However, as a game it has some 'interesting' design choices. I enjoyed the design of Le Carre and the genuine infusion of Louisiana culture that makes the town feels like an immersive, real place. But whoever designed the side quests and the stamps should be checked into an asylum. Not only do virtually none of these quests add anything to the story, but I can confidently say I've never seen grindier quests in any single player game. 100 game overs? 30 perfect games of bowling? The complete annihilation of the entire animal population of Louisiana (750 kills per animal)? Not to mention my disappointment when I realized every "Otherworld" section is literally identical except bosses. Every section reuses the same textures from the sugar plantation... And there's a grand total of 3 enemies, none of which pose a threat in the slightest. I literally had to stop and observe the third (and final) enemy type to even know what their attacks were, since they're so slow and weak you'll just easily kill them before they get to do anything.
'Put her ass in the freezer' lmao
This channel is so underrated, for years. One day, one of his videos will go viral and he'll get the subs he deserves. Keep it up!
thanks shooter! working on a third episode right now.
I hear that! Very under rated content creator
I had pretty much the same feelings about this game - I'm glad it exists and I'm glad I played it, but it was, overall, pretty disappointing. It definitely feels like it wasn't done. Not even close. It was in some sort of pre-alpha state, and they were just forced to release it.
It should have been delayed, for sure. And i wouldn't even say to fix framerate or all that, but to add little details, like flavour text and other small conversations that would enrich the characters and world.
2 years later, we got our 60 fps on pc. but what really makes it fail, is the lack of the iconic not mario song.
Now you're making it real hard to choose which SWERY file is the best, D4 or this, simply for the rant on modern gaming and the fidget spinner ending. A Shame about SWERY and his games. Ironically, Toybox also made another Switch game that is semi-open world and it supposedly runs better than DP2. You might have heard of it.
It's DC Superhero Girls : Teen Power.
I was so surprised to hear a sequel was releasing because of how mixed the original was
DP2 confirmed for PC, coming to Steam.
Hopefully that means the game can be cleaned up a little bit?
Did you rent a suit for this? Your videos are so good.
Bought a fake one off of amazon. Cheaply
34:30 this is where we all go after death
review pc port now
is it bad this is one of my favorites games
I won't judge you for it.
No lab coat Forrest Kaysen doll?
I liked the game a lot it was cool
you're cool
You are legally obligated to do the Steam version. Lol
omg the pizzagate references
Oh my God that framerate! How can anyone play like this?!
Now that it's out on pc, will you check it?
"Rushed and unfinished" it is. Myself I have never encountered a single softlock, so my playthrough was smooth, the only mistake I had made is dedicating about 30 hours to sidequests before deciding to just finish the game. The story felt unfinished, but I'm a simple man and I enjoyed the York and Zach moments. I wasn't very impressed with the final act at all, but the epic wholesome chungus scene with Zach chatting with York using the zoomer slang put a smile on my face at least.
I thought exactly the same thing - that DP1 was much more ambitious. Story was so thorough. Graphics were so much better. But it still wasn't a very good game, and... DP1 was never a huge success, right? And the studio that owns it isn't exactly the most prestigious company, considering their poor ports... It's not like they do the shoddy ports out of pure malice, they're shoddy low profit companies filled with unskilled staff. Both Toybox Inc's and Rising Star Games's portfolios are pretty poor. And Swery's own White Owls is... I've noticed that you played The Good Life only after DP2, but as someone who played TGL before DP2 (I didn't finish it but I plan to at some point), that was the most similar game to DP2. So... I just think it all comes down to coming terms with the reality of the fact that our dream DP2 was always an impossibility - there's just no staff and budget at these companies for this kind of game. And according to interviews, it was further destroyed by COVID, which Swery had a very hard time adjusting his workflow to. And the claim that developers straight up ghosted him, the director, for several months prior to release, is just wild. If this is true, I don't see how Swery would ever want to work with them again, so, here goes our final DP. Maybe DP2 really is some kind of meta commentary with how it went through disastrous development cycle yet again, presumably got budget way lower than original, and instead of the positive meme acclaim of the older internet it got the taste of the cancel culture of the modern internet.
I wonder what's next for Swery. TGL and DP2 make me think he has some kind of fetish for grind. I hope not. It's just depressing seeing developers I liked being forced into unfavorable conditions with small studios where it's pretty much an impossibility to develop bigger games again. You must've seen Tomonobu "Oatmeal Cookie" Itagaki shilling NFTs recently. It got met with boos and accusing him of being lowly conman. But I think that's just sad. It's not like they want it. Senior devs falling out of public consciousness pretty much can't return. I have a relevant story about it. The financial crisis of 2008 wiped out all game dev studios in my country. I had no idea where most of them had gone. But I did some research recently. Some managed to return with new studios to a huge success, some became perpetual outsource studios for bigger studios from the richer countries, some resorted to making browser games and then mobile games for all eternity. I've read interview with one of the latter. One studio was well known for making multiple critically acclaimed series and they didn't have a single blemish on their portfolio. They were really proud of it and director was always brimming with creativity. Many wondered where he was gone. But when he resurfaced, it wasn't with the good news. He pretty much said he's only been making browser games and mobile games since then, he tried to approach many publishers to give his studio work, but all of them were shot down, and from his words, there's just no way out out of this hell. I hope that will not be Swery's ultimate fate.
I'm hoping SWERY will scale back, focus on a small 3-5 hour games. One narrative. Bizarre story, but charm. Something in line with The Missing. I want Hotel Barcelona to be the culmination of two video game auteurs delivering something exceptional.
@@HikikomoriMedia pretty much. I think people's perception of DP1 as "a game on shoestring budget" created grossly mismatched expectations because in comparison it was a fucking AAA production. Big games could be cool, but only when there's actually a team and a budget capable of that. Although revealed Hotel Barcelona looks really weird... It also looks like a proper small game. Maybe SWERY will learn to embrace that from Suda.
AND hopefully SWERY is over his grindfest gameplay design passion.
It’s just a shame even after patches the sequel still barely runs 20fps. At least it’s more stable but wow. I did see someone running it on a Switch emulator at 50fps and it was actually running without any issues besides a small stutter here and there
Well, the PC port passable. Stable 60fps and no crashing. No graphics options, etc. Super barebones. There are still some bugs. I once got off my board and opened the map during an opening cutscene for a location and it soft locked the game. Didn't lose any progress though.
Regardless, the game still suffers from all the problems that are lined out here. Weak story, weak gameplay, weak characters, etc. I'm assuming F.K. is Swery's Moonlight Greatsword but holy shit, I was fine with F.K. just being the name of a restaurant, not the actual salesman. Of course I wasn't expect Forrest again because that would be REALLY DUMB yet here we are.
This game needs a PC port that reworks massive chunks of this game with additional story content and characters (an actual Director’s Cut), DP2 was largely a downgrade from the original though I’m glad it exists.
Update this video with the pc version.
I had problems with the 60fps upgrade, wich felt......... Not right
Issues aside, i consider this game a masterpiece, and my goty.
I have to agree with so much of what you said about DP2, even though I loved the setting, characters and music.
It is indeed a shallower experience when compared to DP1, it feels like a game rushed to the market and it REALLY shows.
Toybox's incompetence as a developer is shocking, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that frame rate, I thought something was wrong with my Switch.
I hope emulation fixes the performance in the future, but the code is so badly optimized I'm not sure we'll ever see a stable frame rate. Sigh...