Star Wars CW WHO IS 2003 GRIEVOUS REACTION! ITS BLASPHEMY IF YOU THINK HE CAN BEAT MAUL!!!
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Skip to 2:53 or something like that to jump straight to 03 Grievous footage 😒
funny thing the shaggy jedi is named Shaa'gi
you have to watch the whole 2 hour tv series instead
then you will see the context behind the fights involving grievous
star wars would be better off if it was a anime instead
@@nicoluca_11 😂😂😂 oh wow
Did you know these were the events that took place right before ROTS. That last blow from Windu must've taken a heavy toll on Grievous. He was night & day. Good Maul voice btw
I just watched the fight scene but now that you mention it I did see he captured Palpatine. Makes sense.
Its not Cannon, everything, his voice, the fact that the thing we saw was the actual training by Dooku etc
It was cannon until the new clone wars series took over
@@jacobgoodnight2629it's cannon to me damnit!
@@lightningmonky7674 ❤️❤️ same
In his training session with Dooku, the man gives Grevious a lecture about fighting Jedi. Force users pretty much have minor precognition whenever they fight, among other abilities.
So the only way he can stand a chance against even one, let alone several, is through immense fear and however many surprises he can fit in that seemingly bare-bones body to keep them from focusing.
I will NEVER forgive what Lucas and Filoni did to this character.
They definitely boned him.
5:00 cuz they nerfed him super hard for Revenge of the Sith. This is before they nailed everything down in ROTS. Originally the explanation is he got his lungs crushed by Mace during the initial stage of Coruscant when he was escaping with the chancellor, but The Clone Wars (2008) came along and kept him like Revenge of the Sith where he's always coughing and doing the ROTS stuff.
Makes sense. So do you think 03 Grievous claps a Prime Maul
@ROCKZILLA not easily, since his fear tactics wouldn't work on Maul. That being said, even Windu didn't want to directly engage Grievous in a lightsaber duel.
I think Maul would have the upper hand, but it could really go either way tbh.
@@CaptainCFalcon Grievous can analyze and copy any fighting style he sees. If he was able to copy Mace's Vaapad and escape, who knows how dangerous he could have become.
@@gamebotsonline which is EXACTLY why Windu didn't want to risk it.
@@CaptainCFalcon So instead of fighting Grievous, he chose to CRUSH HIS INTERNAL ORGANS & was probably hoping nature would take its course sooner or later (or that Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker would finish him off)? I mean, in the end, Grievous did get killed by General Kenobi, but we all know what happened afterwards. "Commander Cody. The time has come. Execute Order 66."
"Why didn't he fight like this against Obi Wan" in the novels he did.
In the novels Grievous used his cyborg brain to generate a wholly original attack pattern. An also wholly randomized attack pattern. With no style to guess and too many blades to use Force Precognition on, Obi Wan had to rely exclusively on Force Speed and Soresu to defend himself as Grievous unleashed 30-50 attacks every second. Within Obi Wan's internal monologue we find out each attack hit with enough force to make it feel like Obi Wan's shoulders would shatter from the effort of blocking them. But he did. He blocked, dodged, or parried every single attack as Grievous unleashed it in perhaps one of the three greatest displays of swordsmanship in the entire history of the Jedi Order.
Wow!! I'm glad to know there is much more to explore than just the films and cartoons. Thanks dude for the info
I love that 2003 Clone Wars treats Grievous like he’s the monster in a horror movie. The series actually came out before Episode III, so for a lot of folks like me this is how we remember first seeing him 😂
And yeah, as you see at the end, Windu tries to crush his lungs, and while Grievous survives he gets fucked up pretty bad, crippling him and resulting in his signature cough. Thus why he’s weaker and more cowardly in Episode III.
You could say Obi-Wan owes his victory against Grievous to Windu, lol
That’s the reason the fans concluded but if you look at the lore that’s not why he had a cough or a sudden change in ROTS
@@iunnor Before TCW? Yes, that was the explanation, and in fact the scene of Windu crushing his chest was done for that purpose.
I remember hearing that George Lucas said in an interview that he hadn't quite decided on how to use the Grievous character, and eventually settled on a "classic cartoon villain that twirls his mustache while monologuing and then runs away when his plans are thwarted by the heroes" think the Joker telling Batman that his next plan will surely succeed as he gets away in a clown hot air balloon.
Main reason was he believed this version of Grievous would be more marketable for toys/merchandise.
Tartakovsky said he viewed Greivous as a horror monster
What’s worse is that he already had a classic cartoon villain with Dooku
It really didnt help that george at that time was surrounded by yes men who wouldnt tell him that perhaps that version wouldnt be the best.
@@wangchung2157 He initially saw him as a horror monster yes, which is why he is portrayed that way by tartakovsky, that's what he told tartakovsky, but decided later during the movie and during the clone wars series to make him into a cartoon villain.
Fun fact about the voice of the 2003 Grevious. He was voiced by John DiMaggio aka the voice of Bender from Futurama.
From what I've learned, apparently when Genndy was making this mini-series, the only thing he had to go on for Grievous was his design, so he took that and ran with what he saw in it, a Jedi-hunting super-predator. Lucas eventually stepped in and retconned the crap out of that idea, saying he didn't want another Vader and had been hoping for more of a skulking villain that twirls his mustache and schemes in backrooms. (How the hell he thought that was communicated with that sort of design is anyone's guess.) Hence, Clone Wars made him always an overconfident bungler of a fighter, rather than a murder cyborg Mace force-crushed into an asthmatic.
More's the pity. This is easily some of the most amazing animation Genndy ever put out, and it was retconned out of canon.
See thats thing I'm a Vader fan just like everyone else but it kind of sucks for all of the other villains. They have cool designs but its a certain plateau that they can reach cause no one is able to top Vader but hey I get it.
Look at it like this, 2003 Greivous took on and beat 5 Jedi at the same time with EASE. And the only time he ever used the 4 arms was just so he could get the job done quickly
The Force, light or dark, is the equalizer here. It's the one thing he can't stop. Even here, when he does get hit, it's the force that gets himself. Lightsaber technique alone won't do it.
Kenobi was the undisputed master of defensive lightsaber technique. The lack of adequate defense in Qui-Gon's preferred technique led to his death at the hands of Maul. Ever since then, Kenobi has dedicated every spare moment towards mastering Soresu, the ultimate defensive lightsaber technique. With the aid of the force, a true master is basically invincible, but will never win the fight since he's never attacking. Kenobi is capable of surviving grievous, but not defeating him. Not in a straight up duel anyway, and certainly not without the force to aid him.
Maul uses a very aggressive, rage fueled technique that is favored by many Sith (Dooku being a notable exception). It is popular among the people who wield a double bladed lightsaber, but is not exclusive to them.
On the battlefield he becomes a force of nature. Very powerful, but difficult to control, and completely lacking in finesse.
Dooku uses Makashi, a form akin to fencing that is specifically designed to combat a lightsaber wielding foe, and is perhaps the finest practitioner of the style alive.
Grievous himself doesn't use any particular style, switching them up randomly, or even attacking with many different styles simultaneously, relying on his mechanical might to overcome his foe. Without Kenobi's impenetrable defense or Dooku's flawless technique, Grievous is very hard to stop.
Lord Sidious absolutely despises lightsabers in general, preferring to use the full power of the force instead. He's more than capable of wiping the floor with Maul, even without a lightsaber. When he does break out the saber, it's to insult h
is opponent more than anything else.
Could Maul defeat this Grevious? Perhaps, but only with the aid of the force. It would certainly be an epic fight no matter what.
I truly appreciate everything you said here. I’m not a biased guy and you seem the same. There’s some matchups (what ifs) that I don’t agree with. My argument is what you wrote. The force is one of the main factors that decide the outcome. I listened to someone read a novel about the fight between Maul & Qui Gon. The novel got into the minds of both fighters. I can’t remember which of them said it but the force had chosen it’s victor. Also reading what you said so in the video that would explain why Dooku was able to tame grievous easily. His form has great finesse & control. Last thing how do you think Phantom Menace Maul would fare against this Dooku? In my opinion I think Maul was at his best in TPM
In a one on one lightsaber duel, Dooku is incredibly difficult for anyone to defeat. He's just too skilled. And as he is also a Sith Lord, the Force is out as an equalizer. Yoda, Kenobi, Skywalker, and Mace Windu (at their episode 3 skill levels) are, perhaps, the only Jedi I can see having a good chance of winning against Dooku 1v1, and I can easily see any of those four as capable of defeating Maul (or at the very least not losing to him). Keep in mind, these four (and Dooku) are exceptionally skilled, perhaps the finest masters of their respective techniques in this era.
The metaphorical sword and shield combo of Kenobi and Skywalker combined are what ultimately defeats Dooku, and Yoda can fight him to a stalemate. (He WAS Dooku's master after all. Plus, it's Yoda!)
Mace Windu actually uses a light-side variant of the aggressive rage fueled style used by Maul, (he feeds on his opponents rage rather than his own) and was known to be a frequent sparring partner of Dooku back in his Jedi days, so that's actually a fairly even match.
So, could Maul win against Dooku? I am of the opinion that if it's a fair fight, Dooku probably wins most of the time, but not always. He's too good at what he does, and while Maul's rage makes him powerful, it makes him predictable. To someone like Dooku, that is very exploitable, especially for the post Naboo Maul. Pre Naboo, Maul had far more self control, but much less practice against skilled lightsaber wielding opponents.
A theory I heard recently that I quite like is that Darth Vader is the perfect blend of Maul's rage, Dooku's skill, and the mechanical might of general grievous.
On a side note, Christopher Lee is legitimately a classically trained fencer; he even made a few suggestions on set to make his duels look more epic. Notice he always holds his saber in one hand? The curved hilt is also more comfortable for that style of combat. That's a truly skilled duelist behind the actor!
@@arielwilson9293 I respect it. I’m a fan of dooku as well. I like the idea that Vader is a blend of Maul,Dooku, and Grievous. Makes sense.
"I don't want General Grievous to outshine Darth Vader" - George Lucas.
EVERY OTHER SITH FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY!!!! I’ve been saying this for the longest
5:01 because at the end of the 2003 series, Windu uses force crush on Grievous, which severely damaged his ribcage/internal organs. Then at the start of Episode 3, Grievous escapes Kenobi and Skywalker by jumping into the vacuum of space, and obviously his organs were exposed to the vacuum. All of this stuff should have killed him, but somehow he still fought on
Very sorry to mention this, but Canon Grievous is already capable of handling Maul. He'd lose most of the time, but has some fair chances. Matter of fact, in a canon comic called "Son of Dathomir" they fought 3 times. Grievous one once, and one of his losses wasn't a fair duel as it was an ambush. Also in an unfinished (still canon) Clone Wars scene, Grievous disarmed and one against Kenobi in 3 moves. Skip to 15:10 of ruclips.net/video/EJPT6trFotI/видео.html&ab_channel=ROCKZILLA Amazing feat if you ask me
I have to read the Son of Dathomir comic. I was listening to a Star Wars channel read it but wasn’t fully paying attention. I take your word for it but I gotta say. I know a lot of people say clone wars Maul was stronger but the Phantom Menace Maul was a nightmare in my opinion.
As a fellow Maul fan I gotta give some push back. What makes Maul such a great charater isn't how cool is when he fights (but nearly all his fights are top teir don't get me wrong) but the fact he's a loser and he knows he's a loser. Maul ain't even a real Sith. But even though he knows he's a small fish in a big pond he still tries and carves out his own petty kingdom of dirt.
I respect it. I wouldn’t call him a small fish cause he has or may I say had a ton of potential
You see there are two star wars Timelines Legends (when star wars belongs to George Lucas) and Canon (After Disney bought it)
1) This particular incarnation of Grievous is from Legends continuity. You see George Lucas wanted to create hype for Revenge of the Sith (2005), the last film in prequel Trilogy. So he gave Cartoon Networks a project, that was to create micro star wars show (each episode 1 minutes long, would later extended to 3 - 12 minutes). Cartoon Networks put their best man Genedy Tartoskvy on the job.
So Genedy created this masterpiece, a ruthless cyborg Jedi killer that would struck fear into the hearts of audience. Unfortunately George Lucas didn't agree with Genedy's idea of a horror movie villain. He wanted more of mustache twirling Cartoon villain, that would run like a coward when his plans are foiled.
So in the final episode they had *Jedi Master Mace Windu force crush the plates covering Grievous's internal organ sac, causing the duranium steel to cut his lungs, which aggravated the General's already irritating wheezing and coughing problems; a result of his organic form not taking well to his cyborg implants. This crippling blow injured Grievous for the rest of his life-which would not be long.*
Since Revenge of the sith takes place just a few hours after the final episode of the clone wars 2003. We get our cowardly General Grievous that we all know all love. Then again I can't blame him for runniy, dude was too injured to put up a proper fight.
2) Now the 2007 clone wars series is from Canon Timeline, where things happen differently from the legends timeline. Here the writer's follows George Lucas's concept of a cowardly mustache twirling villain. So the Grievous in this universe was already a coward form the beginning, so his acting like a coward is justified.
The turned our boy from a Chad to Virgin. Huh keep it up Disney, keep it up.
A Chad to a virgin 😂. I read every word and I appreciate it dude. Grievous was a Stud at one point I see. Do you think he wanted him cowardly cause he didn’t want anything to come close to being as fearsome as Lord Vader ?
@@RockzillaGaming The reason George Lucas wanted Grievous as a virgin was because it made his job easier.
Anakin will have to survive Revenge of the Sith and become the durasteel monolith known as Darth Vader, otherwise it will break the plot. If he faced Grievous, there was a good chance that Anakin would have died, in universe (in the star wars universe) even Palpatine was worried about that, so he orchestrated the events of clone wars such that Anakin and Grievous never came face to face until Revenge of the sith. Because an outright duel would end in Anakin's loss. I don't know if you know this, but in *Labyrinth of evil* novel, *Grievous even with his mobility greatly hampered was capable of stalemate Mace Windu, the same Mace Windu who defeated Palpatine fair and square, as stated by George Lucas.*
If they kept Grievous this strong, Revenge of the Sith would end in the first 10 minutes, with Grievous adding Obi wan's and Anakin's lightsaber to his collection. So nerfed him so that it will lead to Anakin's survival and would also later allow Obi wan to kill this weakened Cyborg. Hence the story of the movie can go on smoothly without any additional problems.
*George also don't know what to do with such a powerful villain.* George was someone who preferred cartoonish concepts such as Light and Dark, Good always beating the evil etc. A horror movie villain filled with psychological thriller and kept in point with reality was not in something he has in his vision of ideal star wars.
*And yes, they can't have some no name Jedi Killer Cyborg outshine their Poster boy Anakin/Vader.*
So the Upgrade from Sigma to Beta
also for those who don't know, Genndy Tartakovsky is the guy behind Dexter's Lab and Samurai Jack, among others. He made most of the iconic characters in the 2003 microseries OP, "lore accurate" if you will. Grievous being an unstoppable machine, Mace decimating an army of B2 Supers bare-handed, Durge being a monstrosity (he died in this microseries which are Legends now, but he's well alive in the new canon comics by the time of the Empire).
prime maul vs grievous[2003] at his prime too?
oof, I don't honestly know.
maul had very little training as he [like grievous] was chosen as an adult but the real factor here is
maul actually has force, grievous doesn't.
But on the flipside grievous is a WAY better fighter since he man handled a fuck ton of clones and more then "2" jedi.
[around 9 jedi, 2 instantly killed, 7 on screen killed and 2 jedi masters fought to their defeat, not killed but defeated].
its really comes down to if grievous[2003] can get close enough to actually kill maul or not, like maul has a ton of force powers to keep him at bay but if he can turtle though it maul is way outmatched in saber to saber combat.
but like one force lightning, or force crush and its over.
but grievous is also really really fucking fast.
so you'd have to get lucky like windu did and catch him off guard.
[also not saying windu isn't strong he is 100% but him jumping down from the rafters like he's goddamn batman would scare the shit out of anybody]
anyways, like i said it just comes down to if grievous can get close enough to hit him.
I agree with you but Maul had tons of training from Sidious himself. When everyone thought he was dead Sidious considered Maul a great loss. This Grievous is a monster and I won’t take that from him. Maul has the force powers like you said but Grievous has the ability to adapt. The more and more comments I read idk but I’m sticking with my guy Maul
@@RockzillaGaming that's fair
hey buddy wishing you all the best in 2023 happy that you are back
I appreciate you dude and happy New Year
Classic General Grievous it's example of how to trample a brutal character with a huge potential into the mud and ignore him for decades. Seriously, Disney even deleted a couple of videos from RUclips, in which the difference between first Grievous and next two was shown too well (one was returned). It seems that the company's management hates General and especially version of 2004 (yes, character appeared on April 8, 2004).
Without exaggeration, Classic General Grievous is one of the strongest warriors of his time. Unstoppable force, jedi killer without Force. Only Sidious, Yoda and Mace Windu are capable of defeating him alone; Darth Tyranus, Plo Koon and Darth Vader will face him in a draw. All the other jedi and sith alone will never defeat him. How did it happen? Let's say thank you to Tyranus!
Dooku didn't teach Qimaen how to defeat jedi, he taught him how to kill jedi. Since the cyborg-kaleesh has no Force, he needs a special approach, the most effective in fight even against strong jedi. Psychological breaking. As Count said: *"...If you want to succeed in combat against of the best of the jedi, you most have FEAR, SURPRISE and INTIMIDATION on your side. For if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them, BEFORE you engage them..."*
One day Grievous went against his principle and cruelly paid for it. When Mace appeared, Grievous had only intimidation on his side, and surprise played against him; he was need to retreat, but he challenged. And motherfucker crashed his metal chest, along with his heart and lungs.
Of course, Grievous is nothing compared to the ancient sith: Andeddu, Malak, Revan, Traya, Nihilus, Sion, Bane, Malgus, Jadus, Marr, Nox, Tenebrous, Plagueis and someone else. But I ask a good question: *"How all they are strong WITHOUT Force?"*
Let's imagine that in a far-far away Galaxy there is one planet that any forceuser tries to avoid, because the Force does not work there. Aura of the planet suppresses the Force even at a distance of hundreds of thousands of kilometers from orbit. Now imagine that any powerful forsyuser from the known ones flew to it, and unfortunately, Grievous was waiting for him/her there. Nothing will change for the cyborg-kaleesh - it will be same battle as on a dozen other planets. But his opponent will have to rely only on fencing and mobility. None of them will lose to him, but neither will any of them beat him; he's too agile, tactful and patient. Now imagine if Classic Grievous had Force...
And one interesting fact: The story of Qimaen jai Sheelal, that's the real name of Grievous, is very similar to the story of Simon Bolivar - leader of liberation revolution in South America against Spanish dependence in XIX century.
Grievous in these shows is like a horror movie villain I swear
if you've never seen Clone Wars 2003, it is worth it to watch many of the other characters too, many of the voices are the same as the other Clone Wars Series (Obi Won, Yoda, Dooku), not Anakin...it is mostly action, there is a story (mostly told at the end) for Anakin, but it is it's own style, featuring some unnamed characters (that would be named later), some non-canon characters, and some background characters that you will recognize in the series, and it is worth it to do this style of reaction for some of the other characters: Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Won, Mace, Kit Fisto and to show some of the original or no longer canon characters characters: Dirge and Fordo
also have a look out for the werewolf jedi....his appearance is brief but memorable
Thanks dude I take your word on it. If I have some free time I’ll definitely do that
Respect from a fellow dreadhead. I've always loved Grievous and in canon I think he wins 40% of the time against Maul. This version however is a beast and would likely destroy Vader. While I love his canon version, it's sad to see him being done dirty by the writers all the time
What’s going on my good man. I appreciate your words but watch how you talk about Vader lol. You could cause a riot saying anyone beats him lol. Nahh I’m just messing with you man. Speak your mind. Since this Grievous is OP there is a possibility he can beat Vader with mobility but if it’s pre suit Vader/ Anakin. Grievous wouldn’t stand a chance. They do do him dirty outside of this
I mean we never got to see Vader in this style and animation. If we would have gotten Vader I believed he would have been shown way more insane than any other character shown in clone wars
Grievous was on beast mode in this series. Loved it.
He was definitely a savage here
It's funny that I hear the reaction that I hear from people who see the 2003 genndy tartarkovsky Star wars The clone wars series and see how amazing the series was under his direction he is amazing when it comes to anticipation action and framing a scene and build up and all sorts of things when it comes to framing a great fight scene and and even story there's a reason the guys made samurai Jack he did Dexter's lab and he's doing that new primal show which is also amazing so he knows where he's doing it's just funny seeing people's first reaction to this and they're like man why is everyone like really cool in this show and like the written so well it's like cuz genddy wanted them to be cool characters that had interesting arcs and he wanted people to be a threaten for everyone to basically show off how like a depth they were both Jedi and sith.
They did Grievous dirty in the Clone Wars TV show. They turned him into a stereotypical moustache twirling coward cartoon villain. 03 clone wars Grievous is how he should have been
Grievous in the 2003 show was a part of a micro series made to promote Revenge of the Sith, this show was later made noncanon. The reason Grievous is such a coward in canon was because George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, wanted Grievous not to be a formidable and feared Jedi killer, he wanted Grievous to be a generic, mustache-twirling villain. Why he would want bad writing, I will nevr know.
This grievous is early war before windy crushed his lungs
absolutely. Sneaking is how grievous was taught to beat jedi. Take them off guard. Panic. They cant connect with the force properly when in the wrong head space.
Bro we were gonna have darth maul in the sequels but no they had other plans gets me so mad.
Good afternoon this is Cool nephew 💯 I love this animation on this show.
Much appreciated. This is the first time I’ve seen this too
Thanks for putting us on fam. But im a Maul fan til its caskets tho.
Same here. I just hate the downplay. My dude really beats himself when he does lose
The animated Grievous is the one I want, not what we got in Clone Wars.
He’s a different breed in this animated adaptation
This is the general grievous I grew up with and was disappointed with how he was portrayed in the clone wars series as this is the menacing general grievous we should have gotten
Bruh Darth Sidious Himself said if Grievous had any ability to use the force he would be a rival!
Here’s a hot take: 4 lightsabers isn’t any more effective than dual wielding. Something I don’t think a lot of people consider about any extra blade is you have to know EXACTLY where the other blades are going to be at any given time. Are you guarding for another attack, preparing for another one, or are you just showboating? And most importantly, exactly how much strength and commitment are you putting into any of those actions?
That’s why Dooku had such a bias against dual wielding, and that’s not unique to Star Wars. Dual wielding as a trope is usually just there for the flash, and is generally frowned upon IRL too. The quarterstaff on the other hand. It’s had better on screen performance than dual wielding AND it’s a practical weapon IRL. So yeah, W for Maul on this one
I LOVE IT
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"I have never seem Grevious like this" Lucas ruined him thats why
back when this was made George Lucas didnt yet have a complete vision for Grevious, beyond Cyborg with 4 arms, this is Tartakovskis vision for the Character, Lucas ultimately wanted a more cowardly mustache twirling villain instead of another badass so thats what Grevious became later on, the guys who made Clone Wars also adheered to Lucas's wishes for the charackter.
i believe that this is the best reprisentation for Grevious, wish he was like this in more Media.
Ngl i think this Grievous would win he was faster than the force and reacts even faster due to parts of his brain being mechanised and replaced to make him think, act and attack faster than even the force.
Ofcource Mace surprise attacking him heavely crippled him and he most likely barely survived his lungs being stabbed with metal in his organs (repairing that kind of damage is almost impossible), that is why he is rather cowardly he is barely breathing and his hearth had been damaged heavely, making him quiet understandably be in pain as just breathing for him is difficult.
He is after the force crush fighting at his very worst, he is propably in large amounts of pain when he breathes and speaks making him react far slower than he should be.
Understandable.
He didn't fight like this against Obi Wan because this is legends now if grievous was like this in revenge of the Sith he'd destroy Obi Wan
They kind of turned him into a joke character in the 3d animation of clone wars.
And in ROTS
CW 2003 🗿>>> TCW 🤡
Lol
Damn, i wish i had been on this earlier. There is a star wars dueling community that breaks this stuff down.
I respect prime maul. But prime 2003 greavious smashes maul fast. Maul has offense. But if mace windu couldnt break greavious in lightsaber combat i doubt maul can.
In the novels the reason mace decided to just crush his chest is because he could tell greavious was activley learning and coppying his style. He didnt want him to lean vapaad and turn it against them later on.
Only thing though those Jedi he fought in this clip weren’t really notable… when I say that I mean as on like a Obi Wan, Kit Fisto, etc level. Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti were legit but still not on a Obi Wan and co level. Only reason I keep using Obi wan cause through out the clone wars Maul & Obi wan would go back and forth in their duels but I will say that’s hard to say as well. Cause Obi wan fought a damaged Grievous. I’m still going to stick with Maul. If I joined that community they’ll probably kick me out cause I defend maul lol. I’m a fair guy. I don’t think he could beat Vader or Sidious. But Yoo I appreciate your comment bro
@@RockzillaGaming I feel you man, and I respect the decision. But I consider mace windu pretty high up there in notability my guy. The novelization also specifies that greavious is so fast he can strike between 12-20 times a second. Which is why Obi-Wan [histories greatest defensive form 2 specialist] was really the ONLY correct person to send against him.
Might beat vader. But I think vader can focus enough to not be immediately driven back. But he's pretty arrogant still. He looses a sword duel candidly. But, he could also one shot him with a force crush. So flip a coin.
@@danielwhitt6435 Oh yea no doubt Windu is definitely up there. Can't argue about that one at all lol.
This is old defunct canon, but I still love it. I remember watching ROTS and seeing how week and pathetic grevious was in that.
But TCW contradicts ROTS in its own way too. Grevious is more movie accurate but he says to Bi Wan "Ive been trained in your jedi arts by count dooku", even though based on TCW hes already fought Obi Wan twice.
They worked so hard to make sure Anakin never faced Grevious so he could say "youre shorter than i expected" but they forgot about Obi-wan
The reason this grievous was more menacing than the clone wars is because this was during the begining of the clone wars and ma e Windu crushed his lungs that's why he coughs Alot and as for darth maul vs grievous it depends on the version and in the comics they were basically even as for maul capturing dooku and grievous it isn't the same as actually beating them dooku would beat both grievous and maul together Grievous even before his enchantments was seen as a demigod at the age of 8 years old and he was killing lots of huks grievous was feared by almost all jedi and is known as a jedi murder he does so with ease I personally like them both they are both one of my favorite starwars characters also darth vader vs maul vader would win but barley in the comics a clone of maul the exact same powerlevel of the original held his own and nearly killed vader and even in the clone wars while weakened he had hands and was a beast
There's a lot of people who say that Darth Malgus is more refined with a lightsaber and powerful than Darth Maul, many claiming that Malgus would emerge victorious in a duel between him. I really don't know. What's your take on that?
Man that’s tough. I’ll be honest I don’t know too much of Malgus to make an accurate judgement. I know he’s strong. The thing about Maul is he was trained by Sidious himself as a youth. I think he gets a lot of downplay cause no one wants anyone to rival Vader. If I could say anything I think it would be a good close duel
@@RockzillaGaming Just some info on Malgus: Darth Malgus, before even earning the title of "Darth", tapped into his rage, overpowered and killed Jedi Battle Master Kao Cen Darach. After earning the rank of "Darth", Malgus contended evenly with future Grandmaster Satele Shan, just barely losing due to the intervention of a Republic Commando. He would also survive a devastating Force blast and being buried under stone rubble by Shan. His biggest feat though: Storming the Jedi Temple with an army of Sith Warriors and sacking it. During the fight, he killed three Jedi Masters (all of whom were in battle meditation mode) simultaneously with a blast of Force Lightning. Malgus also defeated and killed Jedi Master Ven Zallow in the same battle, who was considered one of the best duelists of his era.
@dc1313drc my bad about the late response but I watched a cinematic with him based on TOR. He beat the master and tempted the padawan to the dark side. I thought it was pretty cool. I dig his design.
This is the before disney grevious this
Lucas thought he was too much like Vader and would steal the spotlight so he nerfed him.
It's to bad this became legends he was such a monster
bro he could have a decent duel with maul.
Against THIS Grievous Maul wouldn't have a chance
I can respect that but I'm still going to stick by my Phantom Menace Maul
maul lost to obi wan twice, the one from the movies and another during rebels I think
Yea. Even though he was defeated in TPM he really lost to his own arrogance. The clone wars Maul won majority of those fights. The only one he lost was the 2 vs 1 maul/savage vs kenobi and obi wan using savage as a handi cap (smart play btw)
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10:35 it’d be close
The issue is Dave Felloni and Disney still want to keep Star Wars nice for kids. And let’s be honest it loses some of its magic without that brutality and carnage. Honestly I would love to see a Rated R Star Wars movie and be just as gory and bloody as the mortal combat movie.(the plot sucked). But it should be called “Maul”
He would be the perfect candidate for a rated r Star Wars film.
Maul fought Windu to a stalement and held his own against Sidious. He slams grievous
As far as i love Death Maul, he got no chance against 2003 Grevious .
This is legends grievous, there’s more on him in the original Clone Wars multimedia project before Filoni retconned everything to suit his own story, I love Maul but og legends grievous just has feats that Maul can’t match
The Legends Maul that fought Vader was getting the best of him but I will admit this Grievous is crazy good.
2003 grevios is a lot weaker than2008greivous
2003 grievous would mop the floor with prime maul
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@RockzillaGaming it's not cap yes maul can use the force but 2003 grievous doesn't and shows it by taking 6 jedi killing 3 and leaving 3 injured as they have plot amour has maul ever took on six jedi no he's only faced 2 jedi on he killed and one he underestimated which led to him being sliced in half grievous in the 2003 series only had one loss and that was mace windu who force crushed his chest and did you know mace windu faced grievous and during the duel grievous mimics mace windus vaapad and mace said along the lines of he'd never face grievous again and to answer your question on why clone wars grievous got bodied is because grievous was heavily nerfed
@RockzillaGaming ruclips.net/video/eGzXUW8U3wE/видео.html this is the video of where mace windu faced grievous if you think I'm capping more
@@banta0lol42 I respect your answer for real man but let me ask you. Do you think obi wan or Anakin can beat this version of Grievous?
@@RockzillaGaming obi wan yes at a push anakin no
Grievous won't be able to surprise, intimidate or make Maul scared. So right off the bat he's at a disadvantage. Maul is at least as good a duelist as Obi-Wan and is incredibly strong in his own right (both in Canon and in the old EU). Anyone who thinks Grievous has a chance is just being a fanboy.
There's a reason why Windu stomped him. Grievous (when he's being written correctly) cannot stand up to powerful force users who are still balanced.
Now that you mention it. Grievous didn’t face none of the mainstream top Jedi ex. Anakin,Mace,Kenobi without running. I didn’t watch this 2003 film but Dooku easily dismantles him. On match up charts for some reason majority of people think Maul loses to everyone…
@@RockzillaGaming Cause admittedly, Maul's win-loss ratio isn't great. But most of the character's he's fought were top tier Jedi in their own right.
I totally agree . maul is a savage
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i feel like 2003 grievous could probably beat maul but not any other grievous
The problem with even this version of Grievous beating Maul is that he uses fear, surprise, and intimidation to hamper the Jedi's connection to the Force. That's how he contends with Council-level Jedi Masters. However, this would have the OPPOSITE effect on Maul, as he is a Dark Side user and gets off on fear. He'd crush Grievous like a soda can with the Force.
If Maul was ever to meet 2003 Grievous for a duel, Maul would also get the Genndy Tartakovsky power upgrade like every single character in 2003 Clone Wars has. Dooku still trains Grievous as his master in this. So, the big question is who was better trained by Sidious? Darth Maul or Count Dooku? I don't see Grievous beating Maul. Grievous is just an oversized lawn mover. Maul is a force user. He'd adapt to Grievous' fighting style and use the dark side of the force to win.
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Grievous respectfully can't mess with maul and also I feel like his feats don't match up wit mauls either like you said the man handled both Kenobi and quai gan at the same time damn near effortlessly. I give the dude props but he ain't beating Darth maul
Indeed. The truth be right there and it’s still denied. I get it nobody want ls a Sith Lord better than Vader. I won’t lie Grievous went off in this portrayal
@@RockzillaGaming facts bro that's perfectly said just like how mugs be trying compare naruto to ichigo but that's a whole story. I say that to say people will do whatever to make their favorite comparable to someone they know they most likely would lose to clearly lmao
@@MajesticHero007 yea bro there’s no comparison between Naruto Verse & Ichigo verse. Some of those Bankai’s are ridiculous.
@@darthz883 facts bruh💯 I be telling people that and these are spiritual beings who dont use chakra where in naruto they are earthly beings who use chakra. He Genjutsu wont work at all on the bleach verse.
@@MajesticHero007 Aizen has something better than a Genjutsu. You just gotta be real favorite character or not.
The Clone Wars "Micro Series" is not canon. It was produced between Episodes II & III. Hasbro requested a way to help bolster toy and other merchandise sales between movies. It's fun to watch but again, NOT canon. It does however explain why Grievous is always coughing.
I’m sure you know more than me but some of it is cannon and some not? The capturing of Palps & I assume Shaak Ti as well were accurate. I didn’t see the movie so Idk anything else
@@RockzillaGaming I mean, certainly a lot of it lines up with canon but enough contradicts later established lore that the series as a whole does not meet the canon test. Grievous portrayal for example does not match canon. He was _not_ a Force sensitive, merely a very talented warrior who had been enhanced with cybernetics. Powerful yes but no match for someone like Maul.
@@RockzillaGaming You didn't see which movie? Revenge of the Sith?
@@palisade32 ok cool I got you. I’m glad you said that cause everyone runs to 03 Grievous
@@palisade32 I saw ROTS but this whole 03 Grievous/Clone wars short film or whatever it is.