This short documentary explains it all! At first, a fan of Nosferatu, Calgari, and Metropolis -- I see now why my tastes lean towards Hitchcock, Kubrick, and Burton. Thanks for the informative video (and great music)!
Wow really good video :D But in future videos you should really adjust your volume! But helped me a lot in understanding the expressionist mindset in film :) THANK YOU
Bad sound quality, but i like your viewpoint, now we can see the legacy of expressionism in popular movies, music clips, videogames, even in commercials
A lot of people are criticizing Burton as being a "sell out" or of being stale and predictable. I believe Tim Burton is suffering one of the harshest conditions of any film director there can be... success. Burton is such a money making power house for studios currently, which aids to him churning out films that make bank but seem less impressive. His latest project though I think will be the turn around. "Big Eyes" sounds like the film we've been waiting to see from him for over 10 years.
Even the set for the "Dayman" musical in "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" has Expressionist elements. And we all know who played the "troll" in that one...
Also, for a collective culture that gives American cinema no never mind they sure as shit embraced 'Pulp Fiction' with ravenous abandon; and before that 'reservoir dogs' and 'el mariachi', both films rooted in America cinema, culture and history. As well the director of 'the 5th element' avidly asserts that it was his love of American pulp comics and science fiction that inspired 'element's inception. Don't even get me started on Ridley Scott and Guy Ritchie.
Given that 'Frankenweenie' is just a full length rehash of a garage film he made when he was first starting out...I have to wonder if he's ever going to stop recycling his image. I actually am not familiar with Caligari. WhileI do relish the Expressionist movement I don't know the film that started it all. Same with Fritz Lang's 'M', the first ever slasher to be committed to print. If you like 'weenie' (I can't speak to its merits having never seen it.) that's cool.
I make a reference to the Coen's, because, like Burton, they too had a penchant for the macabre and surreally kitsch, as seen in 'Raising Arizona' or, to some degree, 'The Big Lebowski'; and, like Tim, they also had a fetish for noir, as seen in 'The man who wasn't there' or, probably the most exemplary laurel in the Coen Bros. gallery, 'Miller's Crossing'. Again, though, the Coen Bros. actually, and in very linear fashion, grew up.
You certainly did your homework, moreso than Hollywood! When I first saw The Penguin in the poster for Batman Return,s I immediately made the connection to Dr.Caligari! But in specials promoting the film, people compared Burton's Penguin to Chaney's London After Midnight vampire! And while there was a resemblance, the similarities to Caligari were more numeorus, especially in the final scene of that silent classic and DeVito's own garb in Batman....! Good job. BTW Whenever some historians talk about the influence of German Expressionism on Hollywood, one film that seldom gets mentioned is 1939's SON OF FRANKENSTEIN! ruclips.net/video/RdnPhhv0VXI/видео.html which just screams "Expressionism" and not just in Karloff's still powerful portrayal of the monster! Watch it again and you will see...
+Max Pankau The music selection is great, black angels, jefferon airplane, sure Schoenberg would have been good but those artists are a good fit. The song white rabbit by Jefferson airplane is about Alice in wonderland wich Burton made an (not so good) adaptation of. Well only my opinion anyway.
When you say "interesting comments", I'm guessing you're referring to my references to the Coen Bros. My comments still stand: they're really very similar the two groups of film makers. Burton comes from an extensive background in fine art; and the Coens come from an equally pretentious back ground of I.V. league psychology and sociology: however, the Coens have an edge because their roots are grounded in writing first and foremost, especially when articulating social commentary.
I was initially turned off from 'Frankenweenie' for one very specific reason: the kid loses his pet and decides to sin against nature. That's not adorably poignant, that's just depraved. I'm sorry. Lol. I couldn't get over how obscenely off mark the tone was given the subject matter. Also, again, I frowned because I was wise to Tim's con from the jump.
Tim, on the other hand, remained crystalized, the same--actually getting worse! No one can say 'Alice' had nearly the deliriously macabre charm of, say, 'Scissorhands'. Tim Burton, instead of stepping up to the plate and actually crafting something original and worthwhile--actually challenging himself--has instead opted to bloat in an ocean of his own tropes and clichés, resorting to remake direction to line his pockets..
People come over to see German Expressionism & the first images you choose to show as representation are fricking Danny Devito in a 1990 something Hollywood blockbuster. Ohh... so I'm guessing the title is wrong. It's supposed to be "German Expressionism For Ignorant Americans Spoon Fed By Hollywood". There. I fixed it for you. Also, you claim German filmmakers aspired to break away from Hollywood norms. Uhh... European filmmakers didn't give Hollywood a single thought back then & still don't.
Tim Burton's fetish for german expressionism is well established: the only problem is whereas the Coen's grew out of their initial appeal, still retaining their comical chops, Tim Burton has not. He was always a simplistic story teller, relying too much on novelty to pad a cavernous lack of plot and story structure. 'Alice', 'Planet of the Apes', 'Dark Shadows', and, probably the most abhorrent offender, 'Corpse Bride', where the plot was infamously hackneyed, hamhanded and forced as all hell.
Strike that. From 'Ed wood' forward Tim has sucked as a story teller. Scissorhands, Beetlejuice, etc. are all great movies actually using at times elaborately poignant metaphors and motifs. He had chops once, but he lost them somewhere along the way.
That's a very round way of hyping the guy. The fundamental hiccup with Burton is simple; and can be summarily defined by your last statement: "the film we've been waiting to see". The hallmark of any adept artisan is his newest creation SHOULDN"T be anticipated; it should be something unexpected because it embodies the aesthetic progress of the creator. tim doesn't grow: he gives us the same bang and ii's met with diminishing returns. He's hemorrhaging expertise at this point.
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Great Documentary, thank you so much for taking the time to put this together.
Really excellent. I am going to use this in my Understanding Theatre class to help illustrate concept of realism vs. expressionism.
This short documentary explains it all! At first, a fan of Nosferatu, Calgari, and Metropolis -- I see now why my tastes lean towards Hitchcock, Kubrick, and Burton. Thanks for the informative video (and great music)!
Thank you for making this. Good work.
Wow really good video :D
But in future videos you should really adjust your volume!
But helped me a lot in understanding the expressionist mindset in film :) THANK YOU
very interesting and informative!
Nicely made. Thank you.
Great analysis!
Thanks for this - good connections here. I'm posting for my students as a supplement to our mise-en-scene unit.
This was very useful. thanks
Nice work.
You didn't show the Elephant Man's face. I respect that! I have great respect of your respect for the film. No spoiling the film.
Bad sound quality, but i like your viewpoint, now we can see the legacy of expressionism in popular movies, music clips, videogames, even in commercials
Awesome. Thank you!
Great documentary.
Hey, the sound jumps a lot, it is a little bit disturbing, but thank you for your analysis!
Good editing. Could year better sound mixing on the volume jumps at the end. Great work though
This was so useful, thanks alot!
Thank you Very much!
Great Job man, btw I loved the pink floyd song you added
Very well done.
Great content, but music was too loud and your voice is too quiet
Control the sound in your video.
work on your social skills.
Please explain "biomechanical acting"
awesome, thank you!
A lot of people are criticizing Burton as being a "sell out" or of being stale and predictable. I believe Tim Burton is suffering one of the harshest conditions of any film director there can be... success. Burton is such a money making power house for studios currently, which aids to him churning out films that make bank but seem less impressive.
His latest project though I think will be the turn around. "Big Eyes" sounds like the film we've been waiting to see from him for over 10 years.
Awesome!
Even the set for the "Dayman" musical in "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" has Expressionist elements. And we all know who played the "troll" in that one...
Nightmare Before Christmas is Henry Selick, not Tim Burton! Selick is more influenced by GE than Burton
a fine study
hey that was pretty good
one of John Ford's greatest influences was Murnau
What was the term you used -forgive my spelling- "Me son sin?" 02:53
mise-en-scene
Thank you very much for the speedy reply.
Also, for a collective culture that gives American cinema no never mind they sure as shit embraced 'Pulp Fiction' with ravenous abandon; and before that 'reservoir dogs' and 'el mariachi', both films rooted in America cinema, culture and history.
As well the director of 'the 5th element' avidly asserts that it was his love of American pulp comics and science fiction that inspired 'element's inception.
Don't even get me started on Ridley Scott and Guy Ritchie.
Fuck Yeah! German Expressionism, Pink Floyd,Ridley Scott, Stanley Kubrick, Nosferatu, Metropolis, Fritz Lang, Caligari. What more can I ask for? :D
Not gonna lie I liked this video in the first 20 seconds cus the devito was in it
Battlefield vietnam theme ftw
White Rabbit...
It didn't fit at all but I fucking love pink floyd thumbs up
You haven't defined what "expressionism" even is!
Thanks for the doco.... very helpful. Hard to ignore the US if you're talking modern cinema. ;-)
Tim Burton copies German Expressionism. Whoop de do.
Given that 'Frankenweenie' is just a full length rehash of a garage film he made when he was first starting out...I have to wonder if he's ever going to stop recycling his image. I actually am not familiar with Caligari. WhileI do relish the Expressionist movement I don't know the film that started it all. Same with Fritz Lang's 'M', the first ever slasher to be committed to print.
If you like 'weenie' (I can't speak to its merits having never seen it.) that's cool.
I make a reference to the Coen's, because, like Burton, they too had a penchant for the macabre and surreally kitsch, as seen in 'Raising Arizona' or, to some degree, 'The Big Lebowski'; and, like Tim, they also had a fetish for noir, as seen in 'The man who wasn't there' or, probably the most exemplary laurel in the Coen Bros. gallery, 'Miller's Crossing'. Again, though, the Coen Bros. actually, and in very linear fashion, grew up.
This is my reporting:(
You certainly did your homework, moreso than Hollywood! When I first saw The Penguin in the poster for Batman Return,s I immediately made the connection to Dr.Caligari! But in specials promoting the film, people compared Burton's Penguin to Chaney's London After Midnight vampire! And while there was a resemblance, the similarities to Caligari were more numeorus, especially in the final scene of that silent classic and DeVito's own garb in Batman....! Good job.
BTW Whenever some historians talk about the influence of German Expressionism on Hollywood, one film that seldom gets mentioned is 1939's SON OF FRANKENSTEIN! ruclips.net/video/RdnPhhv0VXI/видео.html which just screams "Expressionism" and not just in Karloff's still powerful portrayal of the monster! Watch it again and you will see...
Tim Burton did not create 'Nightmare before Christmas', merely the nursery rhyme the film is based on.
The music selection for this was horrible. You know that there was such thing as German Expressionist music, right? Early Schoenberg?? Hanns Eisler??
+Max Pankau The music selection is great, black angels, jefferon airplane, sure Schoenberg would have been good but those artists are a good fit. The song white rabbit by Jefferson airplane is about Alice in wonderland wich Burton made an (not so good) adaptation of. Well only my opinion anyway.
Max Pankau relax man if you feel so bothered don't comment make a video about it lol
constructive criticism is good.
When you say "interesting comments", I'm guessing you're referring to my references to the Coen Bros. My comments still stand: they're really very similar the two groups of film makers. Burton comes from an extensive background in fine art; and the Coens come from an equally pretentious back ground of I.V. league psychology and sociology: however, the Coens have an edge because their roots are grounded in writing first and foremost, especially when articulating social commentary.
I was initially turned off from 'Frankenweenie' for one very specific reason: the kid loses his pet and decides to sin against nature. That's not adorably poignant, that's just depraved. I'm sorry. Lol. I couldn't get over how obscenely off mark the tone was given the subject matter. Also, again, I frowned because I was wise to Tim's con from the jump.
Tim, on the other hand, remained crystalized, the same--actually getting worse! No one can say 'Alice' had nearly the deliriously macabre charm of, say, 'Scissorhands'. Tim Burton, instead of stepping up to the plate and actually crafting something original and worthwhile--actually challenging himself--has instead opted to bloat in an ocean of his own tropes and clichés, resorting to remake direction to line his pockets..
Well it is the most lauded by Angeles.
film2700 ha
Not one word about makeup?
+Raoul Raskolnikov - Even worse, no mention of Universal horror classics which were the true legacy of the German silents.
Tim Burton is an uncreative self righteous repetitive director who's box office score closely resembles the films he defecates
and what have you done recently? lmfao
People come over to see German Expressionism & the first images you choose to show as representation are fricking Danny Devito in a 1990 something Hollywood blockbuster. Ohh... so I'm guessing the title is wrong. It's supposed to be "German Expressionism For Ignorant Americans Spoon Fed By Hollywood". There. I fixed it for you. Also, you claim German filmmakers aspired to break away from Hollywood norms. Uhh... European filmmakers didn't give Hollywood a single thought back then & still don't.
Tim Burton's fetish for german expressionism is well established: the only problem is whereas the Coen's grew out of their initial appeal, still retaining their comical chops, Tim Burton has not. He was always a simplistic story teller, relying too much on novelty to pad a cavernous lack of plot and story structure. 'Alice', 'Planet of the Apes', 'Dark Shadows', and, probably the most abhorrent offender, 'Corpse Bride', where the plot was infamously hackneyed, hamhanded and forced as all hell.
Strike that. From 'Ed wood' forward Tim has sucked as a story teller. Scissorhands, Beetlejuice, etc. are all great movies actually using at times elaborately poignant metaphors and motifs. He had chops once, but he lost them somewhere along the way.
IggyTthunders - Fuck Johnny Depp!!!
That's a very round way of hyping the guy.
The fundamental hiccup with Burton is simple; and can be summarily defined by your last statement: "the film we've been waiting to see". The hallmark of any adept artisan is his newest creation SHOULDN"T be anticipated; it should be something unexpected because it embodies the aesthetic progress of the creator. tim doesn't grow: he gives us the same bang and ii's met with diminishing returns. He's hemorrhaging expertise at this point.
Also, it was the first image, dude. Take the tampon out.