Like fuck, just bought a 4090 thanks to him. And literally todat I was to decide between AMD and Intel , and this video pops up without even been subscribed. Of course I am now lol, this man makes magic.
im using a 7600 with 4080 Super in one config and 7600 with 7900 GRE in my other config. The CPU is barely being used in either case since the 4080S is connected to my 4K oled tv and the 7900 GRE is connected to my 2560x1080 ultrawide.
@hellspawnx3526 well not from what I can tell. I however cap my fps to 120 in order to stay in sync range and save some on my electricity bill 😂 in 4K I would say it's not an issue, and in ultrawide 2560x1080 not at all as long as you got a new Ryzen 7000 series or intel's 12-14 gen. I also checked TPUs site 7800x3D vs 7600, using a 4090: 1080p: 20% better (230 vs 190 fps) 1440p: 15% better (207 vs 178 fps) 2160p: ~9% better (148 vs 139 fps) In my case I rather spend the difference on the gpu since I don't chase 600 fps in games 😁 fps above averaged in 25 games.
How you figure that? I have the same combo and im utilizing 99% of my GPU in all my titles @1440p with it blimping to 98% 97% here and there not often@joeycrysel9333
You're not doing this right, you want as many cores as possible on a single CCD/CCX. You should be running it in this order - 4/0, 6/0, 8/0, 6/6, & 8/8. If you did it this way you'd find that the 8/0 configuration runs better than the 6/6 and 8/8 configurations. The reason it's scaling so well for you is because you're pretty much comparing 2/0, 3/0, 4/0, 6/0, & 8/0, as the games have a hard time making proper use of multi CCD chips. Games are not scaling beyond 8 unified p-cores with 16 threads.
I said exactly the same this is a flawed test. I also think locking the cores and not letting them boost is also flawed. In a way this test is how the old Zen2 CCD's used to run which was why there was such an uplift to Zen 3 when they unified the CCX.
@@mixit2413 Locking the cores is a good strategy since it eliminates confounders, as the chip boosts higher with fewer cores enabled. The best & simplest way to do this would be to simply disable precision boost in the bios. Otherwise agreed.
@@jigglejaggle4732 I agree for this test locked cores are probably best way but its misleading in the extreme if you were to compare chips to it like the 7600x, 7700x, 7900x and 7950x as they don't work in the same way. Probably would have been better to use an Intel I7 13700k with the E cores disabled as no game uses more than 16 threads.
At most it seems games can support up to 8 CPU cores then 2 cores for the windows OS so they do not have to overlap though most CPUs can make it so overlapping isn't an issue for most processes. Some games max out all 8 CPU cores so having 10 CPU cores is needed so the maximum amount of cores that games will require is 10. How many actually use 8 is very few as most still use only 4 CPU cores and 2 CPU cores for the OS which can overlap with the CPU cores for the game.
moving from a R9-5900X to a R7-7800X3D filled me with joy and dread to watch this video since there was a R9-7950X3D right next to it and it was eating away at me that id be down grading or not moving to the AM5 socket to 8 cores instead of the 16 core cpu, at least i have a 12 core CPU for server hosting now.
I love the vids I just got into pc gaming and your really helping me can you do a updated video with the best pc parts for high fps and a 900$ budget please
yeah, using cores from two ccds has a latency penalty that wasn't accounted for in this video & isn't the best way to test this kind of thing imo. 4, 6, & 8 core tests should have all been on one ccd for more accurate results.
You just got my sub and I don't sub to almost anybody. I simply love you. Thanks to you, Im building a 4090 set myself, you gave me the confidence to go for it as a 1st timer PC builder. Now you help me deciding between intel and AMD, your energy is amazing and shows how you love what you do. Thanks my man.
I'd do some comparisons on graphic cards before you by a 4090. But only if you want to save money on your build. The gain in fps isn't really worth it for me.
@@manhandler thankfully for me the money isn't an issue. And yeah the 4090 is waaaay ahead even from the 4080 super and 7900XTX, which was my initial pick. I ended up spending $1000 - $1500 more for 30% 40% performance improvement to me was no brainer. I also play big AAA games for the most part, and I'm future proofing for at least 7 years
@@tiltingart9276तुम्हाला पैशाचा काही विषयच नाही म्हणल्यावर मग काय बघायचं.. होऊ द्या खर्च.. माझ्याकडे i3-10100 आहे आणि Gigabyte RX 550 आहे. मी त्यावरच खुश आहे. मला एवढं game खेळायला आवडत नाहीत आणि माझ्याकडे वेळ पण नाही.
They need to make a case that has airflow and more radiator/fan installation options, front, top, side, bottom, back, with each orientation able to accommodate LF3 420 rads without looking ridiculous, with no clearance issues, or no fans being blocked or touching any part in parallel.
I went to a 4000D with a 9900KF and I swear the temps automatically went up 10C over a 2015 generic full tower from newegg. I double stacked the radiator with 120mm fans and didn't change the temps at all. The 4000 series Corsair forces you to run a 360 radiator in the front. Not sure it can get the air flow behind that glass to make it work....
Yes, I have a 7800X3D. Nice to see it beat the living day lights out of everything from 4 cores to 16 core CPU's!!!!!!!!! That's it 7800X3D lay down the SMACKDOWN!!!!!
@@MrSamadolfo Even if you plan to resale. It is better to have the chip others are wanting to upgrade to later on. The bottom drops out on value for a 6 core chip.
A weird/funnny rabbit hole I have gone down recently that has got me wanting a CPU upgrade, is PC emulators. No, not emulating Switch or ps2 or whatever, but actually emulating ANOTHER PC. So I emulate a cycle accurate Windows 98 PC from the era with an intel Pentium 2 and a 3dfx Voodoo 3 GPU on my Ryzen 5800X and 4080. (It actually doesnt use the GPU). This actually pushes my 5800X to the limit, because it is trying to perfectly replicate the performance of those parts. So its like having a real 90's PC inside your modern PC. Its great for compatibility with old games and most importantly retro games feel and look authentic. I want to upgrade my processor for that so I can emulate more builds. But, the only thing stopping me is the notion that I would essentially be buying and expensive modern CPU so it can pretend to be a slow cpu from the 90's 😅
You can get by with 4, especially if you have hyperthreading, in several games 6 or 8 can get you more performance, but it's nice to see a scientific testing of just how many are actually needed these days. It'd be nice to see games programmed to do a better job of splitting across multiple cores, I'm not a game programmer though, so I don't actually know how easy or realistic that hope is.
I'm happy with my Intel Core 14th gen flagship CPU, the Intel Core i7-14700k (has 8 physical cores, with a respectable 5.4Ghz speed). Also depends on what GPU you have. I have an RTX 4080, which can process a heavy 40 minute video edit project in only 20 minutes a supposed to 2 hours with my old PC which had an i7-6700k and a GTX 1070.
For your Hogwarts Legacy crashing issue, Disabling Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling should do the trick as its very common to be the cause of crashing in that game.
When a game isn't fully utilizing both the CPU and GPU, without an FPS cap set for smooth performance, the bottleneck likely lies in the RAM or chipset bandwidth. However, it's often attributed to poor optimization when people describe the issue. Many MMOs require increased RAM bandwidth, hence the necessity for quad or more channel high-speed memory. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a method to measure the active memory bandwidth being utilized at any given moment.
as current mainstream consoles are 8 core and 16GB ram /+fast nvme drive/ the pc port would scale beginning with that, more ram /32GB/ helps with buffering main video cards vram, some strategies /lots of npcs or underlings following orders/ and big worldmaps can utilise more cores and more ram, but sweetspot is and will be for a while 8 cores as fast as possible, if you work with your computer as well than your purse is the limit......I am really curious how adding npu and AI into games will change the gaming and also push the limits of what is possible vs what is necessary....interesting times we live in.......
PC is not just for gamers, but also for content creators as well, and there are PC users that would like CPUs that can do both gaming and content creation, and that's where multicore CPUs have found it's niche, so having different CPUs offering benefits different PC customers with different needs, seriously, PC community should seriously need to learn economic, because there's a reason company have multiple product offering, because you can't rely on just one product, and even if you made that one product with "one-size-fits-all" philosophy, it might not appeal to certain customer anyway, and also the fact PC community have diverse range of needs and it's not just gamers, so yeah, there are reasons CPUs like 7950X and i9-13900K exist, due to their high core count and high thread count, because they could be appealing to PC users who is both gamers and content creator
@@curious5887 Your rant is not required, the title of the video explains why the OP made the comment. All I have to say in regards to your comment is no shit, big surprise people use their systems for other things besides gaming but this video is specifically about gaming and some people in fact do waste a large portion of their budget on their processor when a Ryzen 7600 and cheap B650 board would be sufficient for their needs. Nobody asked why the 7950x and 13900K exist int he first place.
I can play all AAA games with ease, using my 6-core i7-8700k. I play 3440x1440, with a 6900XT. I’ll upgrade my CPU someday, but having it OC’d to 4.7 GHz, it’s still working like a champ.
I know this isnt the exact point or focus for this video, but I liked that you happened to show the shader loading screen for Hogwarts Legacy, my daughters Intel platform PC sadly freezes on that screen and won't even load so she can play it.
when a cpu is utilizing 50% utilization, all the cores are being used... when it goes above 50%, it is stating to use hyperthreading, so 67% is using all 4 cores, but 1 or 2 is using hyperthreading...
It amazes me ppl think higher fps than 60 will make them a better gamer. Also spending outrageous amounts of money on systems because of games. Unless your doing serious video editing your wasting your money on anything above 6-8 cores. The human eye can't tell any difference above 60 fps, as long as you system runs smooth your system no matter what it cost should work fine. You can get a r5 5500 and a 2060s and a msi b450 and run at 4k above 60fps on 99% of all games for the cost of a next gen Cpu and still have cash left over for other goodies. Or you can spend tons of cash and get a great system, but your gaming experience will be the same. Editing will be much faster though.
14900KS. Fastest clock speeds out of the box, and that's before overclocking (5.9GHz all 8 P Cores). Use the EK direct die AIO if you can't afford custom loop. If you want to run 4K or high end VR then it's a no-brainer when combined with a 4090. I don't expect anyone to agree as everyone in the comments has AMD chips!
I opted for the 65W Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T CPU over the hotter-running, higher energy consumption 7700X 8C/16T CPUon my latest (1440p) build, because it basically does everything better & can still essentially match the single-core performance of the 7700X, since they have the same boost clock speed for single-core tasks. The often-overlooked 65W 7900 is a very underrated little powerhouse for its price-point. Hate that it includes the weaksauce AMD Wraith Cooler though with the CPU, thus artificially increasing its cost versus other CPU alternatives a bit. I replaced the stock AMD 96mm single-fan Wraith cooler with the DeepCool AK620 Digital (twin tower heatsink, x2 120mm fans, digital display).
@PC Centric, I am on a low income budget from canada, what Pc as well as components would generally be recommended for me to get for decent performance on steam games?. Preferably for nothing too hardcore like call of duty or whatever for example but just enough to handle your average Unity game. As Unity lags and crashes ALOT on my old HP Pavilian laptop as i havemt been able to play anything bigger than a flash game/sideroller game on this laptop. But i am hoping to get something within the budget of less than 2 thousand dollars Canadian. Maybe more depending. Was debating on saving up as much as i can to get a decent gaming PC but my local expert recommended saving up $1500 to $2500 before asking them to purchase and build one for me.
I learned my lesson after going from a 5600x to 5900x as my GPU was dipping in FPS while it wasn’t fully utilized. The 5900x wasn’t any better. 5800x3D , 7600x and 7800x3D were what I needed not more cores.
Eh, depends on multiple factors. I had a 4090 running with a 5900x, and I just switched to Intel for the 13900k. For my money, give me speed and cores that can do it all.
let's say x company will develop a game, they will have latest graphic at that time, but a game will be developed in 4 or more years so this game developers need to keep up with hardware and software updates since they work on that game. There is no way to have a full optimized game on day 1, even some kids will cry about it.
Still rocking my i9-10900K OC @5.2GHZ, with a 4090 at 4k its still a great CPU. With little to no bottleneck as mainly GPU bound. No need to upgrade for a while. 😉
Legit. I will say that running my 4090 with a 13900k with DDR4 (DDR5 was ridiculous when I upgraded CPU) previously at 3440x1440p, the CPU was a noticeable bottleneck. Now, with a 4k 240z monitor, it feels balanced and uses the entire GPU generally with few exceptions for CPU-strapped games.
Been running 3950X, 5700xt, 64GB ram, 4TB Nvme, 8TB SSD, 24TB HDD (internal), 64TB external. Since Jan 2020 and not upgraded any part as this fits my needs currently (not just a gaming PC)
Have you considered that lower cores such as a 4,6 or 8 are being pounded by Windows tasks such as the pretty little lights that are being run by an application? If you open Windows Task Manager there is a long list of tasks being performed even while you game. Lower cores would have to handle all that and be able to game, whereas a higher core unit would have plenty of cores available to assign cores to gaming and the others to Windows tasks.
I think a better testing method will be by establishing resolution and frame rate targets. eg 1080p 60/120/240 fps. Like a ryzen 3600 can drive a 4090 and run a game 60fps 4k but will struggle to do 1080p 120hz
Always has been since the i7-8700K and Ryzen 5 3600. Unless you want the extra cores for fast shader compilation, if you can afford the luxury for a 12 core or higher, go for it, specially for work, streaming or multitasking.
depends on your use case obviously. pure gaming needs super fast cores, pure productivity needs more cores. mixed workload ie a bit of office,some gaming,a bit of OBS/video editing/rendering then 8 core 16 thread is about the sweet spot.....any more and it gets insanely expensive and not worth your while. 12 core/16 core/32 core are for semi pro builds with work in mind. 4 core is totally budget these days,but for not much more,you can have quadruple the performance,which is good for system longevity.
There is a reason the *800 series in Ryzen is more popular than the *900 Ryzen for gaming, even though they basically have identical specs other than cores. No need for more than 8 cores, the vast majority of games dont use more than 4.
17:22 if you really wanted to drive it home you should of made the 7800x3d run at 4 cores and 6 cores that would of given it a way more perspective (especially since most people run 8 cores anyway so having less cores while beating the majority of people is what would of drove it home)
It’s most likely going to be 8 cores as the sweet spot. I only have an i9 14900ks because I use my rig for a multitude of things including my job at home. But if your just gaming, than I’d say no more than 8 cores is really needed. Especially if there’s eight cores or overclockable
I actually prefer leaving performance on the table, I want to start playing Helldivers 2 with 120fps at 80% GPU utilization so I can keep playing with 120fps when nukes start to drop at 99% GPU utilization.
I'm new to the pc world. Found your channel recently. I'm building a PC and I bought a rx 7900xt with a i7 12700f cpu. I plan to upgrade the cpu to a i9 soon but just found a good deal on that cpu. Will the combination be fine or no? Mainly looking to play 1440p multi-player games
I’d say get a 7800X3D instead, but then you’d have to buy a motherboard as well. However, that CPU and a new motherboard would cost about the same as the high end i9 chips.
dude you can play 4k with that. What is wrong with you nerds. I have a i7700k with a 6800 and im playing cyberpunk in 4k with high settings lows are 52 highs are about 80 fps.
Might want to add Dragon's Dogma 2 for CPU testing. That stupidly un-optimized game runs poorly even with a 4090 as the game is heavily CPU bound apparently.
And people still got that game 😂 idk why get a broken game the got to be punished for it once optimized then go for it I once got a game was so bad I hade 20 up to 30 f once a year went by I hade 60 up to 70 😑
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well. This is with a 12400 and a 4070TI, whereas using the same chip with a 3080 weaker GPU, the GPU doesn't have those problems as bad, which tells me the Ti needs a stronger CPU, hence I have a bottleneck.
thanks, quick question I've been wanting to know for a long time how did you setup PCL monitoring? I'm using MSI afterburner but do not see anything related to monitoring latency. Thanks for any help...
if you are walking around in the firing range for the apex 'test' then these results do not reflect actual gameplay performance at all. If you do that for single player games I'd say its fine but if you test multiplayer titles then you should do an actual multiplayer test to get the most accurate performance
My options are i5 14400F 10 cores v i7 12700F 12 cores. But it looks like the difference is near to none. I mainly play open world survival and the price difference is R600 ($33).
I d like to see a test of different gpus+ cpus combos, given a similar budget. For example I see all those AIO liquid coolers costing as much as the difference between a 70 class and a 80 class nvidia gpu. Lets say for example: would a liquid cooled 7800x3d + a 4070 gpu give you more frames than an older 3700x with a cheaper air cooler+ 4080? at 1440p. Would the result change at 4k? cose comparing core counts without considering what monitor resolution you got to feed does not tell the full picture. games are getting redicolously cpu intensive lately, sure but at high resolution? how much does it really matter?
since the Thread Director(many thanks to AMD for this amazing invention!!) of my Adler Lake 12600kf decides how many cores are needed, useful or can be parked it doesn't matter how much cores my Cpu has. only if the core count or ipc is to low in a couple years i need something new. but i think 10 cores and 16 threads are good for the moment.
cores are not everything ive owned 4 am4 cpus 3400g upgraded to 5600 i saw insane improvment then i downgraded due to bent pins to 4500g and i had a massive performance drop in certain games then upgraded to 5700x and honestly its about the same as a 5600 in most games.
I would like to see this test in a diffrent way. I would like to se the same tests done, but not separating the CPU chiplets 50/50. Id see this test done with activating 1 CCD untill ot reaches 100% activation and then continue activating the second chiplet ( CCD ) May be the IPC is limiting, and the optimization would prefer one chiplet
The answer is MORE. You're not buying for today's game. You're buying for a game released 5 years from now. My i7 lasted 8 years and I only replaced it because the motherboard died and the cost of a new motherboard was stupidly high.
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I swear you always have a new video out EXACTLY for what I need or what I'm pondering about. Great channel.
Like fuck, just bought a 4090 thanks to him. And literally todat I was to decide between AMD and Intel , and this video pops up without even been subscribed. Of course I am now lol, this man makes magic.
I was surprised to see the performance improvement with 12 and even 16 cores, but really happy to see my 7800X3D destroy everything nonetheless.
Lol same.
You only need one core. . . Hardcore
I’ll get my coat. . .
Lol
Hardcore parkour
never come back
I'll hand it over to you.
@@p00ner Hardcore PerCore
that intro slide into the shot was strong. Blades of glory style, love it
My 7600X saw this video and made me click on it. He’s wondering if he’s about to be disrespected or given his rightful place at the top.
I clicked to see if the 5600x was still relevant lol
im using a 7600 with 4080 Super in one config and 7600 with 7900 GRE in my other config. The CPU is barely being used in either case since the 4080S is connected to my 4K oled tv and the 7900 GRE is connected to my 2560x1080 ultrawide.
@@_TrueDesire_does 7600 bottlenecks any of the 2 GPUs??
@hellspawnx3526 well not from what I can tell. I however cap my fps to 120 in order to stay in sync range and save some on my electricity bill 😂 in 4K I would say it's not an issue, and in ultrawide 2560x1080 not at all as long as you got a new Ryzen 7000 series or intel's 12-14 gen.
I also checked TPUs site 7800x3D vs 7600, using a 4090:
1080p: 20% better (230 vs 190 fps)
1440p: 15% better (207 vs 178 fps)
2160p: ~9% better (148 vs 139 fps)
In my case I rather spend the difference on the gpu since I don't chase 600 fps in games 😁 fps above averaged in 25 games.
My 7600 (non X) is feeling slightly inadequate after watching this video 🤣
I liked the moving analogy, sounds unusual but makes a lot of sense.
I went for the i5 13600k paired with the rx 6800 xt, I built my first PC about 7 months ago.
I did a 12600kf and 6800 non xt 5 months ago! Great combo!
Same!
i have a 14700K + 4080 super, its working great
Bro I need your help
Not sure what resolution you are playing at but it looks like for that setup at 1440p resolution there is about a 18.5% bottleneck on the CPU
not bad
You are clueless@@itsathejoey
How you figure that? I have the same combo and im utilizing 99% of my GPU in all my titles @1440p with it blimping to 98% 97% here and there not often@joeycrysel9333
Absolutely love your videos my friend gaming is my life I'm still learning about gaming pcs your videos help thank you
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Averaging 90-100 fps on Ultra Settings, RT enabled, DLSS Quality on a 7800x3D with a 4070 TI Super.
@@Uranius7 not in Vernworth. I can get 90-100fps in the woods as well with 9900KS OC and 3080. But only about 60-70 in that city.
That game is broke .
Many better looking games that run much better than that games on less hardware .
@@Uranius7
Averaging 144 fps on Ultra Settings, RT enabled, DLSS Quality on a 7800x3D with a 4090.
@@Uranius7thanks
You're not doing this right, you want as many cores as possible on a single CCD/CCX. You should be running it in this order - 4/0, 6/0, 8/0, 6/6, & 8/8. If you did it this way you'd find that the 8/0 configuration runs better than the 6/6 and 8/8 configurations. The reason it's scaling so well for you is because you're pretty much comparing 2/0, 3/0, 4/0, 6/0, & 8/0, as the games have a hard time making proper use of multi CCD chips. Games are not scaling beyond 8 unified p-cores with 16 threads.
I said exactly the same this is a flawed test. I also think locking the cores and not letting them boost is also flawed. In a way this test is how the old Zen2 CCD's used to run which was why there was such an uplift to Zen 3 when they unified the CCX.
@@mixit2413 Locking the cores is a good strategy since it eliminates confounders, as the chip boosts higher with fewer cores enabled. The best & simplest way to do this would be to simply disable precision boost in the bios. Otherwise agreed.
@@jigglejaggle4732 I agree for this test locked cores are probably best way but its misleading in the extreme if you were to compare chips to it like the 7600x, 7700x, 7900x and 7950x as they don't work in the same way.
Probably would have been better to use an Intel I7 13700k with the E cores disabled as no game uses more than 16 threads.
you will ALWAYS leave performance on the table,
there are ALWAYS a bottleneck somewhere,
best you can do is minimize the dollar to bottleneck ratio.
yes, and the biggest actual bottleneck is always the ram
Got a 7800x3d + 4080 super fe combo couldn’t be happier with performance (first build btw)
That's so great
How much dud it cost mate??
How much did it cost and what do you do for that kind of money.
@@hellspawnx3526 7800x3d costs £340 and 4080 super costs £960, so £1300 for both
@@crimsondrake6453 😂
At most it seems games can support up to 8 CPU cores then 2 cores for the windows OS so they do not have to overlap though most CPUs can make it so overlapping isn't an issue for most processes. Some games max out all 8 CPU cores so having 10 CPU cores is needed so the maximum amount of cores that games will require is 10. How many actually use 8 is very few as most still use only 4 CPU cores and 2 CPU cores for the OS which can overlap with the CPU cores for the game.
moving from a R9-5900X to a R7-7800X3D filled me with joy and dread to watch this video since there was a R9-7950X3D right next to it and it was eating away at me that id be down grading or not moving to the AM5 socket to 8 cores instead of the 16 core cpu, at least i have a 12 core CPU for server hosting now.
Next you'll ask: how many beers are required for drinking?
two and your fine if it's Canadian alcohol 10 if it's American pee water based alcohol which is watered down for the children there🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love the vids I just got into pc gaming and your really helping me can you do a updated video with the best pc parts for high fps and a 900$ budget please
Would be interested to see at least one test using 4 cores from a single CCD. Still great video!
yeah, using cores from two ccds has a latency penalty that wasn't accounted for in this video & isn't the best way to test this kind of thing imo. 4, 6, & 8 core tests should have all been on one ccd for more accurate results.
I'm just so happy that I bought the ryzen 7 7800 ex 3D!! I got 4 days before all my parts show up and then I can build it!!!
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy Ryzen 7 7800x3d ,AMD 7900xt DDR5 6000 cl30 850PSU ,
@@kikflip9872 a nice high end build.
So glad I have a 5900x and looking to upgrade to a 7800x3d/7900x here soon
I have a 7900x kinda wish I got the 7950x as now they are impossible to get
Great CPU got a great deal at microcenter
You just got my sub and I don't sub to almost anybody. I simply love you. Thanks to you, Im building a 4090 set myself, you gave me the confidence to go for it as a 1st timer PC builder. Now you help me deciding between intel and AMD, your energy is amazing and shows how you love what you do. Thanks my man.
I'd do some comparisons on graphic cards before you by a 4090. But only if you want to save money on your build. The gain in fps isn't really worth it for me.
@@manhandler thankfully for me the money isn't an issue. And yeah the 4090 is waaaay ahead even from the 4080 super and 7900XTX, which was my initial pick. I ended up spending $1000 - $1500 more for 30% 40% performance improvement to me was no brainer. I also play big AAA games for the most part, and I'm future proofing for at least 7 years
@@tiltingart9276तुम्हाला पैशाचा काही विषयच नाही म्हणल्यावर मग काय बघायचं.. होऊ द्या खर्च.. माझ्याकडे i3-10100 आहे आणि Gigabyte RX 550 आहे. मी त्यावरच खुश आहे. मला एवढं game खेळायला आवडत नाहीत आणि माझ्याकडे वेळ पण नाही.
That Corsair case is literally the NZXT H9 Flow case.
yes it's horrible
which a Lian Li 011 Dynamic clone.
They need to make a case that has airflow and more radiator/fan installation options, front, top, side, bottom, back, with each orientation able to accommodate LF3 420 rads without looking ridiculous, with no clearance issues, or no fans being blocked or touching any part in parallel.
I went to a 4000D with a 9900KF and I swear the temps automatically went up 10C over a 2015 generic full tower from newegg. I double stacked the radiator with 120mm fans and didn't change the temps at all. The 4000 series Corsair forces you to run a 360 radiator in the front. Not sure it can get the air flow behind that glass to make it work....
Yes, I have a 7800X3D.
Nice to see it beat the living day lights out of everything from 4 cores to 16 core CPU's!!!!!!!!!
That's it 7800X3D lay down the SMACKDOWN!!!!!
If you have a browser and a bunch of other programs open also while you game, more cores will for sure be needed over 6.
sure, the minimum should be 8/16 cpu's if ur building something brand new and u intend to carry it for many years
@@MrSamadolfo Even if you plan to resale. It is better to have the chip others are wanting to upgrade to later on. The bottom drops out on value for a 6 core chip.
@@kramnull8962 agree 🙂
More than 4. Don't ask me how I know. Excellent video it really explains a lot.
ALL OF THEM! YOU NEED ALL THE CORES!!!
A weird/funnny rabbit hole I have gone down recently that has got me wanting a CPU upgrade, is PC emulators.
No, not emulating Switch or ps2 or whatever, but actually emulating ANOTHER PC. So I emulate a cycle accurate Windows 98 PC from the era with an intel Pentium 2 and a 3dfx Voodoo 3 GPU on my Ryzen 5800X and 4080. (It actually doesnt use the GPU). This actually pushes my 5800X to the limit, because it is trying to perfectly replicate the performance of those parts.
So its like having a real 90's PC inside your modern PC. Its great for compatibility with old games and most importantly retro games feel and look authentic.
I want to upgrade my processor for that so I can emulate more builds. But, the only thing stopping me is the notion that I would essentially be buying and expensive modern CPU so it can pretend to be a slow cpu from the 90's 😅
Love the 50 toddlers moving a couch analogy 😂 👍🏼 makes it make sense!
I do a lot of productivity work that needs cores. I also game. The 7950X3D seemed like the perfect CPU for me. I was not disappointed.
How many cores you need for gaming depends on the game you're playing, there is no one size fits all for best performance.
I don’t know the answer to the question but I got a 7800x3d and it’s doing the job pretty well
Of course it does, it's high end cpu released in 2023...
You can get by with 4, especially if you have hyperthreading, in several games 6 or 8 can get you more performance, but it's nice to see a scientific testing of just how many are actually needed these days. It'd be nice to see games programmed to do a better job of splitting across multiple cores, I'm not a game programmer though, so I don't actually know how easy or realistic that hope is.
I'm happy with my Intel Core 14th gen flagship CPU, the Intel Core i7-14700k (has 8 physical cores, with a respectable 5.4Ghz speed). Also depends on what GPU you have. I have an RTX 4080, which can process a heavy 40 minute video edit project in only 20 minutes a supposed to 2 hours with my old PC which had an i7-6700k and a GTX 1070.
I'm planning on upgrading as well. My PC is close to yours. i5 6600K and GTX 960
Lamo 😂 I got your old space right now still holding one w8 for 9000 and amd and 5070 😂
For your Hogwarts Legacy crashing issue, Disabling Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling should do the trick as its very common to be the cause of crashing in that game.
Rocking my 5600G with RX 6600 and for me it does a great job! 6 cores are enough for gaming, daily tasks, etc
When a game isn't fully utilizing both the CPU and GPU, without an FPS cap set for smooth performance, the bottleneck likely lies in the RAM or chipset bandwidth. However, it's often attributed to poor optimization when people describe the issue.
Many MMOs require increased RAM bandwidth, hence the necessity for quad or more channel high-speed memory.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a method to measure the active memory bandwidth being utilized at any given moment.
as current mainstream consoles are 8 core and 16GB ram /+fast nvme drive/ the pc port would scale beginning with that, more ram /32GB/ helps with buffering main video cards vram, some strategies /lots of npcs or underlings following orders/ and big worldmaps can utilise more cores and more ram, but sweetspot is and will be for a while 8 cores as fast as possible, if you work with your computer as well than your purse is the limit......I am really curious how adding npu and AI into games will change the gaming and also push the limits of what is possible vs what is necessary....interesting times we live in.......
The takeaway here is optimization can be more important than high-end hardware.
the amount of money ppl waste on cpus when they are just gaming, just wow
PC is not just for gamers, but also for content creators as well, and there are PC users that would like CPUs that can do both gaming and content creation, and that's where multicore CPUs have found it's niche, so having different CPUs offering benefits different PC customers with different needs, seriously, PC community should seriously need to learn economic, because there's a reason company have multiple product offering, because you can't rely on just one product, and even if you made that one product with "one-size-fits-all" philosophy, it might not appeal to certain customer anyway, and also the fact PC community have diverse range of needs and it's not just gamers, so yeah, there are reasons CPUs like 7950X and i9-13900K exist, due to their high core count and high thread count, because they could be appealing to PC users who is both gamers and content creator
Get a job.
@@malcolmjelani3588 have one thanks, your turn
@@curious5887 Your rant is not required, the title of the video explains why the OP made the comment. All I have to say in regards to your comment is no shit, big surprise people use their systems for other things besides gaming but this video is specifically about gaming and some people in fact do waste a large portion of their budget on their processor when a Ryzen 7600 and cheap B650 board would be sufficient for their needs. Nobody asked why the 7950x and 13900K exist int he first place.
@@malcolmjelani3588 What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
I can play all AAA games with ease, using my 6-core i7-8700k. I play 3440x1440, with a 6900XT. I’ll upgrade my CPU someday, but having it OC’d to 4.7 GHz, it’s still working like a champ.
I know this isnt the exact point or focus for this video, but I liked that you happened to show the shader loading screen for Hogwarts Legacy, my daughters Intel platform PC sadly freezes on that screen and won't even load so she can play it.
u need to get her a better intel platform, a recent i3 is good enough, u must be running something low spec?
when a cpu is utilizing 50% utilization, all the cores are being used... when it goes above 50%, it is stating to use hyperthreading, so 67% is using all 4 cores, but 1 or 2 is using hyperthreading...
just bought a R9 7900 last thursday :)
I appreciate seeing Spidey wearing his classic suit.🙂
It amazes me ppl think higher fps than 60 will make them a better gamer. Also spending outrageous amounts of money on systems because of games. Unless your doing serious video editing your wasting your money on anything above 6-8 cores. The human eye can't tell any difference above 60 fps, as long as you system runs smooth your system no matter what it cost should work fine. You can get a r5 5500 and a 2060s and a msi b450 and run at 4k above 60fps on 99% of all games for the cost of a next gen Cpu and still have cash left over for other goodies. Or you can spend tons of cash and get a great system, but your gaming experience will be the same. Editing will be much faster though.
I'm running an i7 3770 paired with RX 570 4GB and 16GB DDR3 RAM and still performs pretty well!
14900KS. Fastest clock speeds out of the box, and that's before overclocking (5.9GHz all 8 P Cores). Use the EK direct die AIO if you can't afford custom loop. If you want to run 4K or high end VR then it's a no-brainer when combined with a 4090. I don't expect anyone to agree as everyone in the comments has AMD chips!
I concur. Although I have a 4090 and 13900k.
With these builds, he really needs to try DCS World. This perhaps would challenge the systems built. Something to think about
I opted for the 65W Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T CPU over the hotter-running, higher energy consumption 7700X 8C/16T CPUon my latest (1440p) build, because it basically does everything better & can still essentially match the single-core performance of the 7700X, since they have the same boost clock speed for single-core tasks. The often-overlooked 65W 7900 is a very underrated little powerhouse for its price-point. Hate that it includes the weaksauce AMD Wraith Cooler though with the CPU, thus artificially increasing its cost versus other CPU alternatives a bit. I replaced the stock AMD 96mm single-fan Wraith cooler with the DeepCool AK620 Digital (twin tower heatsink, x2 120mm fans, digital display).
why 7700x is hotter?
7900 does everything better except gaming. 7700x or non x are faster than 7900
@@hanselbermudez7604 7700 (both) faster than 7900 for gaming? How come?
@@hanselbermudez7604 Not the benchmarks I've seen.
I'm using the same cooler on a 7800x3d. Running like a beast. Never gets over Temps with a little oc
@PC Centric, I am on a low income budget from canada, what Pc as well as components would generally be recommended for me to get for decent performance on steam games?.
Preferably for nothing too hardcore like call of duty or whatever for example but just enough to handle your average Unity game.
As Unity lags and crashes ALOT on my old HP Pavilian laptop as i havemt been able to play anything bigger than a flash game/sideroller game on this laptop.
But i am hoping to get something within the budget of less than 2 thousand dollars Canadian. Maybe more depending.
Was debating on saving up as much as i can to get a decent gaming PC but my local expert recommended saving up $1500 to $2500 before asking them to purchase and build one for me.
I learned my lesson after going from a 5600x to 5900x as my GPU was dipping in FPS while it wasn’t fully utilized. The 5900x wasn’t any better. 5800x3D , 7600x and 7800x3D were what I needed not more cores.
Eh, depends on multiple factors. I had a 4090 running with a 5900x, and I just switched to Intel for the 13900k. For my money, give me speed and cores that can do it all.
let's say x company will develop a game, they will have latest graphic at that time, but a game will be developed in 4 or more years so this game developers need to keep up with hardware and software updates since they work on that game. There is no way to have a full optimized game on day 1, even some kids will cry about it.
Still rocking my i9-10900K OC @5.2GHZ, with a 4090 at 4k its still a great CPU. With little to no bottleneck as mainly GPU bound. No need to upgrade for a while. 😉
Legit. I will say that running my 4090 with a 13900k with DDR4 (DDR5 was ridiculous when I upgraded CPU) previously at 3440x1440p, the CPU was a noticeable bottleneck. Now, with a 4k 240z monitor, it feels balanced and uses the entire GPU generally with few exceptions for CPU-strapped games.
Been running 3950X, 5700xt, 64GB ram, 4TB Nvme, 8TB SSD, 24TB HDD (internal), 64TB external. Since Jan 2020 and not upgraded any part as this fits my needs currently (not just a gaming PC)
get a 128TB NAS
@@AbhishekSingh-dt3et considered 2 JBOD as the 64TB I manly use for back up that I can move around
I love your videos! Makes me want to play more games! We want more vids!
What do you use to have all of your statistics show up in game in that format and font? Looks awesome!
msi afterburner possibly
Have you considered that lower cores such as a 4,6 or 8 are being pounded by Windows tasks such as the pretty little lights that are being run by an application? If you open Windows Task Manager there is a long list of tasks being performed even while you game. Lower cores would have to handle all that and be able to game, whereas a higher core unit would have plenty of cores available to assign cores to gaming and the others to Windows tasks.
Planet zoo got a boost from 4c to 6c through its 1% lows.
There's nowhere near the amount of stuttering which is nice to see.
I think a better testing method will be by establishing resolution and frame rate targets. eg 1080p 60/120/240 fps. Like a ryzen 3600 can drive a 4090 and run a game 60fps 4k but will struggle to do 1080p 120hz
Seems like a 6 core CPU with plenty of fast cache is the most cost-efficient solution.
Always has been since the i7-8700K and Ryzen 5 3600. Unless you want the extra cores for fast shader compilation, if you can afford the luxury for a 12 core or higher, go for it, specially for work, streaming or multitasking.
depends on your use case obviously.
pure gaming needs super fast cores, pure productivity needs more cores.
mixed workload ie a bit of office,some gaming,a bit of OBS/video editing/rendering then 8 core 16 thread is about the sweet spot.....any more and it gets insanely expensive and not worth your while.
12 core/16 core/32 core are for semi pro builds with work in mind.
4 core is totally budget these days,but for not much more,you can have quadruple the performance,which is good for system longevity.
There is a reason the *800 series in Ryzen is more popular than the *900 Ryzen for gaming, even though they basically have identical specs other than cores. No need for more than 8 cores, the vast majority of games dont use more than 4.
The answer is obviously 42
Always is
The white Corsair case is my favourite case ever
17:22 if you really wanted to drive it home you should of made the 7800x3d run at 4 cores and 6 cores that would of given it a way more perspective (especially since most people run 8 cores anyway so having less cores while beating the majority of people is what would of drove it home)
It’s most likely going to be 8 cores as the sweet spot. I only have an i9 14900ks because I use my rig for a multitude of things including my job at home. But if your just gaming, than I’d say no more than 8 cores is really needed. Especially if there’s eight cores or overclockable
Hope the day comes where I can use my 13900k 24 cores for gaming
I have one of those. I was worried if having that many cores would be bad for gaming.
Please do a part 2 video but test other video games.
I actually prefer leaving performance on the table, I want to start playing Helldivers 2 with 120fps at 80% GPU utilization so I can keep playing with 120fps when nukes start to drop at 99% GPU utilization.
You always forget that RTS also fall into the gaming category, how much do cores affect this case?
Yes the return of BENCH MARCUS! :D
I'm new to the pc world. Found your channel recently. I'm building a PC and I bought a rx 7900xt with a i7 12700f cpu. I plan to upgrade the cpu to a i9 soon but just found a good deal on that cpu. Will the combination be fine or no? Mainly looking to play 1440p multi-player games
I’d say get a 7800X3D instead, but then you’d have to buy a motherboard as well. However, that CPU and a new motherboard would cost about the same as the high end i9 chips.
dude you can play 4k with that. What is wrong with you nerds. I have a i7700k with a 6800 and im playing cyberpunk in 4k with high settings lows are 52 highs are about 80 fps.
Might want to add Dragon's Dogma 2 for CPU testing. That stupidly un-optimized game runs poorly even with a 4090 as the game is heavily CPU bound apparently.
And people still got that game 😂 idk why get a broken game the got to be punished for it once optimized then go for it I once got a game was so bad I hade 20 up to 30 f once a year went by I hade 60 up to 70 😑
Interesting test. What software is he using to monitor the performance in real time?
Now this is the video I need
I'm going to buy a pc
r5 3600 and rx 6750 xt....happy as a pig in s**t
We need to see the doggo!
Got a 5800X with a 7900XTX for 4K Warzone, runs it perfectly! Might swap to DDR5 next year and I’ll probably get a 9600 (Or X if there’s no non X).
thats sounds alrite, warzone is a very heavy game plus its multiplayer so yeah go 8/16 plus a beefy card
I'm interested to see the results, but my i3 12100f pairs well enough with my 6700 XT for what I look for out of my gaming experience.
depends what u like to play, if all your playing is Left 4 Dead and Back 4 Blood thats all u will ever need 🙂
i have an i3-12100f too with a 4060 and it works great 😃
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well. This is with a 12400 and a 4070TI, whereas using the same chip with a 3080 weaker GPU, the GPU doesn't have those problems as bad, which tells me the Ti needs a stronger CPU, hence I have a bottleneck.
I like the extra cores for my second monitor. Multitasking enters the chat
Is 4070 super and and 7 7700x a good pair?
It is. You can play 1440p 100+ fps any game if you operate your settings well. Its enough for 4K 60fps maybe too imo
@@bulbacsi how about the ryzen 7 7800x3d and the 4070 super?
thanks, quick question I've been wanting to know for a long time how did you setup PCL monitoring? I'm using MSI afterburner but do not see anything related to monitoring latency.
Thanks for any help...
Good analogy with the single muscled mover vs 50 toddlers movers.
if you are walking around in the firing range for the apex 'test' then these results do not reflect actual gameplay performance at all. If you do that for single player games I'd say its fine but if you test multiplayer titles then you should do an actual multiplayer test to get the most accurate performance
My options are i5 14400F 10 cores v i7 12700F 12 cores. But it looks like the difference is near to none. I mainly play open world survival and the price difference is R600 ($33).
he has a british accent but moves like he was born in italy when explaining stuff
FLOL
I d like to see a test of different gpus+ cpus combos, given a similar budget. For example I see all those AIO liquid coolers costing as much as the difference between a 70 class and a 80 class nvidia gpu. Lets say for example: would a liquid cooled 7800x3d + a 4070 gpu give you more frames than an older 3700x with a cheaper air cooler+ 4080? at 1440p. Would the result change at 4k? cose comparing core counts without considering what monitor resolution you got to feed does not tell the full picture. games are getting redicolously cpu intensive lately, sure but at high resolution? how much does it really matter?
since the Thread Director(many thanks to AMD for this amazing invention!!) of my Adler Lake 12600kf decides how many cores are needed, useful or can be parked it doesn't matter how much cores my Cpu has. only if the core count or ipc is to low in a couple years i need something new. but i think 10 cores and 16 threads are good for the moment.
What CPU will be suitable for the Asus G10DK motherboard? Trying to upgrade from the Ryzen 5 3400g
Good video, but would've like to see CyberPunk 2077 since its requiresments list a 7900x for RT. Still a well informative video.
It's changed since then, but last time we tested it, didn't really matter how many cores you had
@@PcCentric Thanks for the feedback!
cores are not everything ive owned 4 am4 cpus 3400g upgraded to 5600 i saw insane improvment then i downgraded due to bent pins to 4500g and i had a massive performance drop in certain games then upgraded to 5700x and honestly its about the same as a 5600 in most games.
Sticking with my i3/4070!
Hey great work what about intel Apo video install+test 12 13 14 gen :) 😮
I would like to see this test in a diffrent way.
I would like to se the same tests done, but not separating the CPU chiplets 50/50.
Id see this test done with activating 1 CCD untill ot reaches 100% activation and then continue activating the second chiplet ( CCD )
May be the IPC is limiting, and the optimization would prefer one chiplet
Hello when u got ltt screwdriver did u have to pay any extra fee in uk
4-6 as long as you have good efficiency and high clock speeds.
The answer is MORE. You're not buying for today's game. You're buying for a game released 5 years from now. My i7 lasted 8 years and I only replaced it because the motherboard died and the cost of a new motherboard was stupidly high.
i still use my i9 10850k but i am planning on making a new build which i can take with me overseas in a mini itx build
What is the FPS monitor you are using?