I didn't know that! I honestly don't like these new designs as much as I did when I first made them because in hindsight they *do* stray a bit too far from the original art style, but I couldn't grasp how to do that without getting too Concord-y (shit design-y) Knowing about Moebius would've definitely made these designs better and fit in more thanks!
Personally, I would've leaned into Teo's generic-ness. What if he was a corporate soldier who was promised more and deserted when he learned what war was really like, taking all of his cheap, made-by-the-lowest-bidder gear with him. Make all his gear look like cheap junk held together with hope and duct tape, magazines labelled "do not reload" and ration paste tubes with expiry dates scratched out and rewritten. Give him an "I wanna be a hero!" additude and there you go, a criticism of generic shooter games, war, capitalism wrapped up in a loveable, goofy personality.
I feel it'd actually work better if he were a soldier, but not a "corporate" one. Partly because I've seen so much of the "corpos rule the universe, capitalism bad" tripe (which hasn't been new, original, nor even good at any point, even as far back as the the first Alien or Blade Runner), and also because the made-by-the-lowest bidder gear is just as, if not more, common among Government-Issue grunts. Especially since such government intertwining doesn't tent to provide much incentive to work harder, and little actual punishment for not being up to task (e.g. always being behind schedule and never within budget). He can just as easily work having the Ray Stantz attitude on that, "Personally, I liked the university, they gave us money and facilities. We didn't have to PRODUCE anything... I've worked in the Private Sector, they expect RESULTS."
Me before finding out that greed and disregard for safety and quality of military gear (as well as products of all kinds in general) existed long before capitalism That's it, otherwise agreed lol
Gotta love when something is so shit it forms a whole community specifically dedicated to dunking on it. I might throw my hat in the ring myself, if I'm able to find a free moment.
Reminds me a lot of Dreamword which caused Callum Upton to form a team to produce Nightmare World. Though I wish he gave more frequent updates on that project.
The playful attitude of the first character + the mask made me think of a Kamen Rider like hero. Was expecting it to lean more into that but I like the end result.
Absolutely love your DAW character! Plays as scary/psycho/manic medic who you wonder if he may be high on his own supply while he spikes you with meds and has "DO NO HARM" scrawled on his chest. 😬😂 Great idea. The sketch at 23:41 was my favorite look for it.
i really love the twist you put on every character, alongside deconstructing the fundamentals of the character to better suit them. cant wait to not only see more redesigns, but more from you in general as well :]
Wait, the guy wearing 1/3 of a generic sci-fi cosplay outfit who looked incredibly bored in all the images I saw of him was supposed to be a goofy sarcastic character? Here I was imagining a personality akin to a tired dad being forced to participate in paintball game since his kids wouldn’t shut up about wanting to go.
Let’s not forget the biggest thing Roadhog’s design gets right is that he’s objectively the hottest character in the game. On a more serious note I think his design does an excellent job of portraying fatness respectively by showing him as cool and powerful BECAUSE of his weight not in spite of it.
A SYRINGE GAUNTLET IS SO FUCKING GOOD HOLY SHIT!!! I’m so impressed by this, your redesigns are some of the best I’ve seen throughout the concord fallout
These are some really out-there designs… I LOVE ‘EM! You read my mind about the hazmat character. I was literally saying in my head how the intestinal and hazard suit design could work if they committed to a more bio-weapon look.
dude, afk arena and ben 10 mentioned, i adore your thought process. just by looking at them i understand their role, i love seeing people come together like this :]
Those design scream personality not like the Concord ones. I love how Concord just gave an excuse to artists around the world to show off their art to the people.
I genuinely like these redesigns even if they seem to be far off from the original. I've gone nuts watching redesigns all over YT and ur take's really interesting, tapping from a very gamer/cartoon inspired ideas. Go ahead & do more, man!
one thing i see in Concord design they forgot about good old day of arcade game like fighting game you pop coin in you got 30-60 sec to pick your character so the design need to be caught your eyes see them want to play them know how they gonna play Concord be like let make people watch our weekly episode to know what this character is and read their bio ok which is really bad
Giving the shooter man (Taou?) the '70s jacket is such a good idea. It's also shocking that the original artist did not think of it being that retro futuristic was the design that they were theoretically going for.
I just remembered coming across a redesign of Daw by a guy called KevinT that kept him overweight, but made three vital changes. First is of course actually carrying his equipment. Second was aging him up, getting rid of that jarring dissonance of that single-chinned babyface and his girth. Third, and easily the best change, completely rewriting his character away from the same MCU irreverent dip💩 that everyone else already is, and making an average laboratory joe at the wrong place at the wrong time. Already a much more fun character, whose ability to keep up with the team can be explained as being on a constant drip-feed of adrenaline as a result of being perpetually scared 💩less.
Beautiful work, these designs really catch the attention and bring out personality in the characters. I would love to see you redesign the reat of the characters too 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Amazing video! I love all of the disigns they had 1000 times more personality then the original ones. My favourite was the first Daw. Btw the editing is so coool
Love the designes. You have a good sense of pushing things to extremes, which is very good for a design pipeline, it's easier to remove what you don't want then to add in what you haven't seen yet. Exploration of themes and broad ideas are great through all of these. I love Daw the most. I'd suggest for even more character you can have the NO part of do NO harm scratched out, adding to his pretty openly chaotic and proud of it nature. As a small bit of crit from a random animator on the internet, your elbows seem to go very far down often, if this is intentional it can work well, but on your final DaVeers design the arms are lopsided in length and scale, it doesn't come across as perspective or as something intended for physiology of the character, at least from what I can see. I also noticed in DaVeers second iteration that the contours for the gauntlets are fighting each other, this pushes flatness on drawings quite a lot. As a general suggestion make sure your posing is done in such a way that contours don't battle one another but rather follow the same angle into or out of camera down the arm/leg/torse/hips and so on. I personally love the style you have going. I'm very interested to see how it grows and evolves.
If what I've seen and heard of the devs social media accounts is any indicator, I don't think sole blame can be put on suits this time. They've got red flags of massive egotism, thinking that they know better than the audience, signs that it was probably an absolute toxic swamp of a workplace that was stuck in a social bubble. It's likely that nobody could speak up and point out to any problems regarding the game without higher-ups getting their egos bruised, and so they stopped caring and decided to just let them fall on their own sword. The level of critical failure this game managed to achieve isn't something you can get in anything resembling even a barely-functioning work environment. The designs are just another symptom of this. They lack any sort of thematic cohesion, aesthetic appeal, or visual functionality, and the hyperfocus on photorealistic characters models tells me that they were relying on it purely as a crutch, thinking that people would be impressed by the number of polygons they have or that we can see every pimple on their faces.
Idk about egotism, maybe they’re just being defensive because seeing something you sunk a lot of time and effort into being ravaged on all sides would definitely make people emotional and therefore less rational when responding Especially if they’re not really used to big waves of hate. I still put the vast majority of the blame on the suits until proven otherwise And yeah AAA devs tend to use hyperrealism as a crutch to carry stuff If it doesnt work simplified what makes it better complex It’s like that photorealistic mario image from the 2000s
@@BlankiePaper I'm sure the suits played a role, but as I said, I don't think they're solely for blame for this one. Having a job in manufacturing, I'm used to having to see products scrapped for small flaws since our clients have a very small margin for error (also, they're medical parts, so it's all the more important that they're within parameters). But the scale of failure for this game is too big to have been the failing for any one party or department alone. Something was wrong in every step of the process, but any attempts to speak up were either ignored or worse silenced because 8 years is too long of a development time for someone to have not noticed something.
@@BlankiePaper Fair argument but at what point do you excuse the fact that those artists called the community "talentless freaks"? The senior concept artist knew that their designs were going to get backlash yet they still released the game as is, the same concept artist that hopes "weirdos" won't have anymore games to play
I love how Concord's only fan art is people making the characters look different. Feels like a project that didn't get enough market research as the base game's designs have bit of a mid level Deviant Art feel to them. Where the artist has some talent but lacks some vital fundamentals.
Not gonna lie, Seeing redesigned Teo reminded me of Billy Kid from Zenless Zone Zero, and I mean that as a compliment. It's still a whole lot better than what Firewalk churned out.
Absolutely love the designs they're so awesome, these are characters I would love to play as! One issue I have with Daw's design is too many colors, i think the blue on the arm could be the same as the blue on the chestpieces and the purple and gold could be removed all together.
Looking at the old Teo, I imagined him as a clone soldier, one in countless billions who only does what his corporation tells him to do. As for his cybernetic eye, I didn't even know that was there. In the gameplay, it looks more like his scope is what allows him to see in the smoke.
this is exactly what i was frustrated about. i was talking about this yesterday with friends, just how do things work? how do you put this equipment on in the first place? what abilities do you have? how do you put it on as a character and not as a standard soldier? the rocket launcher person pissed me off the most because i was sitting there for 15 mins wondering how'd they carried it with no strap and then i found the mechanical arm on the back of the tightskinned suit with no protection and thought "if you shoot that once, either your suit will rip or you will rip." thank you for this video. this whole experience with Concord has made me reevaluate some of my own character designs for my own projects and I see it as beneficial to how I make stuff in the future because the fact that I got so frustrated with the design choices in general means that I'm doing at least something right. Also COLOR THEORY. WHERE WAS THE COLOR THEORY IN THE DESIGNS? A lot of the choices were seemingly spun on a wheel blindly or something. It doesn't fit with the overall skill of the character or give them personality (like the assassin pink robot lady wearing khakis and a bolero tie?) A lot of muted colors and khaki, backgroundcore as you said lmfao.
You know, if you want a game that actually has some sort of proper art direction, the Forever Winter might be worth a look. The devs are super open that their inspiration is 90s anime and milsim gundam. Game's a brutal experience where you are a rat in the middle of a war and you're trying to survive. You aren't the hero, you aren't stopping the war, that boat has sailed a long time ago. You just need to survive, you just need to get that water... and for the love of God, only shoot if you need too. The mantra of the game is pretty simple as well: You are not that guy.
These are leagues better than the originals, but I think the one downside is that these characters don’t feel like they belong in Concord. That being said I can’t define the style of Concord. I just now those aren’t it. I absolutely love the mad scientist btw
BULK AND SKULL MENTIONED!!!!!!! (i just HAD to write that as soon as i saw it) anyways, these designs are SOOO SICK!! and i absolutely adored watching your process
Concord might be dead, but it was a valuable gift to all character designers, redesigning Concord characters is incredibly fun and good exercise. Always love to see different interpretations.
I thought Teo gave Jaune vibe with White armor pieces over normal clothes...THEN REFERENCE RWBY IN VIDEO FOR ANOTHER CHARACTER LIKE YOOOO. Also, NICE ART ❤
i don't want to sound mean but the first re-do guy... thats billy from zenless zone zero. but with a rifle, so his older brother? other that you did a better job then the concord team.
Amanda Kiefer is one of the main character artists for Concord, you can see quite the few works on her art station, but if I had to guess why the characters don't look good, and feel bad for saying this her art just isn't for this type of game, hero shooter specifically need character designs that pop out at you, and also the transition to her art, which I should preference she is a good artist, to live actiony desaturated character model, it's just not pleasing to look at, she did remark how the designs were made by committee, probably she had to draw up the designs to show a bunch of suits, and them decided which is the good designs to choose, which does happen a lot, but I don't know how much she actually has a say on the designs, I can only take her word.
oh yeah definitely, this person's style while good doesn't really scream "hero shoter" the sheer levels of bombast and cartoony goofiness aren't really there. It'd fit in more with like, idk a more gritty yet colorful fantasy like Bioshock or something
Well I suppose the original Daw does have the discord-moderator thing going on, which, you know, lends a bit to his techiness. He looks like the kind of guy that has a katana at home. I liked the second versions of DaVeers and Daw more than the third though - I don't think the third design for DaVeers really establishes that they're protecting others from themselves, the protection is very light and is more of a doctor with a hazmat mask. Also they don't seem bulky enough to work with the power gauntlet as they do in the second version. Same with Daw - the second version is more bulky to kind of maintain the force of the rocket fist and his area protection nature. Also his threatening bulkiness creates a good sense of unhingedness with the Do No Harm sign. The lab coat contrasts with the power armor and leaves a coherent picture of what he's about, and looks badass. We can assume the thing on this other shoulder is the shield generator. The third Daw kind of leaves the question of what's the point of his one big arm? If he doesn't use it to attack, then why's it there? It doesn't add anything to the design and feels forced in there to make him an amputee. It's like Doomfist if his only weapon were the knuckle shotguns rather than the gauntlet.
The 2 biggest issues with all the designs are what' I'll call "Zag-Zig Design" (where they intentionally reverse/invert what is expected and what works at every point for the sole purpose of being unexpected and different) and "Discordant Asymmetry" (they just can't help themselves here, pick any character and you can instantly see that their aesthetics and sense of flow would be immediately improved by removing the intentional asymmetry forced into the character design).
Your style rocks, it's really cool indeed, also your arguments for why you chose those design elements are really good too. However, I'm not too crazy about some of the elements you used. For the first one perhaps an overtly big bionic eye. For the other 2 I get that trench coats look cool but they feel overused in media, imo, to a point that number 2 doesn't look like a hazmat suit or a sealed suit at all. Overall you have good content so keep at it
That final DaVeers design is sick. Reminds me a bit of Warframe's Lavos but certainly more someone you would meet in a lab rather than a battlefield with the less armored design. Kind of like if Viktor from League of Legends was into chemtech rather than hextech.
Teo could've been accidental genius if they had instead named him "Ted" and had him deadpan his lines instead of having the same Sonic the Hedgehog delivery as everyone else.
they are cool but fall into the problem of having very similar shape structures, they all have the same hip to shoulder ratio creating a similar hourglass shape for all of them, your over relying on accessories to do the heavy lifting over all I think you in the right track, it is disappointing seeing youtalk about how a character can be fat and still be well designed and not stick to keeping the character fat
Funny how your redesign of Teo kinda got us Billy from Zenless Zone Zero. I guess there's not much you can do with "laid-back fnuuy cyborg soldier guy" but just look at them.
Whenever i see Daw the support, i think of Gibraltar from Apex Legends, both big guys who have shields, it proves a design like his can work but concord just doesn't have personality or flavour. 😢
Big bodies can work in videogames, you only have to know HOW to make them and Daw ofc isn't one of those. Roadhog is a huuuge meat shield and is intimidating af Mauga gives that vibes of really nice hawaiian dude, buff af that also is capable of choping a tree with his bare hands so make sense he carries 2 big ass miniguns.
Your designs are so far off from original designs, which proofs the point that game designs are so bad that to make them good you need to start from planing phase. Well at least artist are having fun
12:05 --- I'd say so, too. Though I would've gone for a smaller face mask, one more in line with Soldier-76, or even a halfmask... ... What can I say, I like seeing people's faces ^^° 18:45 --- It sure is more interesting than the original... but Daveers or Deveers or whatever... is a normal human. And since this is a very realistic, "hyper-realistic", game of course the characters look the part. I dont really see that here, even as a mere concept. Also, I want the face :D 25:48 --- Dont blame only corporate decisions on this: the artists themselves were on board with this from what I've heard.
Not all games need to have ultimate abilities. Weird thing to criticize. I liked what you did with DaVeers but I thought your Teo design was too modern and I liked your first Daw design better
this are some really cool design, I actually kind wish you mad the scraped jester one even tho it strays a lot of the original character concept. I just really like the idea of a jester with a gasmask.14:00 also I must say I almost have to thank this game for starting a conversation on character desgin in games and media in general and make a chracter stand out. it's honestly quite neat to see so many people talking about it as someone who want to be game dev myself and is working on game. can't want to see this conversation go further
For the doctor I would have leaned into a more zed like caricature someone why experiments on foes and uses proven methods on friends a clearly batshit insane person but not to the lvl of the tf2 medic having never gone to medical or a school of any kind he would dmg foes less threw intentional harm and more through gross negligence mixing multiple drugs on enemy’s causing a debuff/dot as the drugs can’t be mixed and using a single drug on teammate’s instead of a energy shield a dmg resist drug for teammate (also do no harm should have something at least slightly covering no to convey the fact that the caricature is still quite capable of hurting)
if it wasn't for me watching other people talk about this game, I'd honestly get mixed up with some of these. the ONLY possible way you could have even insinuated the fact Daw was ever a medic is if you implied Santa Claus, which they even failed to do then. or whoever the rocket-launcher girl is is able to fly despite nothing about her design saying she can (its almost like not giving her a jetpack was a bad idea). and some characters I'm not even sure what the hell they do (namely the elderly lady in purple. think she's some sort of mage, but they're already a mage on the team. )
@@BlankiePaper true. We all know furries got mysteriously deep wallets. Btw made that comment early in your vid, watched it nmby now, honestly i loved the reasoning in your new designs. The gauntlet idea was genius and the crazy melee medic was honestly so good. Your art is amazing
I legit outloud said "Bro what?" when said what daveer did (i had look at the bookmark to remeber her name). Like show me pyro from tf2 and I'd say "yeah that guy burns shit" or junkrat from overwatch and I'd go "Oh yeah that guy blows shit up" but holy shit that surprised me why you said that. Also the redigns are good, but they feel a little to far off from the originals, you could not show me that and I'd know who it was but also I get it, the originals are PRETTY bad
The thing that confuses me the utter most is how the healers do not look a single thing like an actual HEALER. Daw looks like ice/water based dude and he is supposed to be a healer. It makes no sense when EVERYTHING in gaming says this person is ice/water based. As for the intestine thing. I'm pretty sure that they are trying to go for the Alien franchise aesthetic. They had a lot of tubing things too. But it makes little sense when you actually apply it to suits. WHAT is the tubing for? What is it's purpose? what does it do? The answer is nothing. So therefor it makes no sense to have it.
I swear all of your redesigns look great, but they don't feel like tge characters they're based on... Probably because the originals have no real distinct traits.
l love how every person's immediate instict with redesigning Daw is "make him skinny." Because him being fat was the core problem and there's absolutely no way to make a heavy-set character work.
I only really made him skinny to reflect the shield tank aspect, with a squishy body but more tech-focused shield tanking rather than out of arbitrary anti-fat sentiment or whatevers. If I wanted to make a more HP tank character with more bulk like say Heavy TF2 or Roadhog, then I would do that. Also I'm less confident with my ability to draw those kinds of builds due to lack of experience in working in character designs with that body type. I'll probably start playing around with those body types in some of my own original character designs but I just felt that this particular situation just called for a bit of a change.
So you're unhappy with the diversity of body types in concord and yet you made the fat character thin and replaced it with amputation..? Feels a bit.. insulting tbh. The color scheme was also a bit all over over the place. Loved the other two tho. Especially your reimaged hazmat suit.
I think you’re overthinking it No harm meant I just liked the character silhouette the robot arm made The reason I made him thinner was because I wanted to convey visually that the tank part of his character came from tech shields, but the actual HP pool was a lot smaller and squishier in this iteration If I were to make a health tank, I would go for the body bulk or armor bulk route and make the silhouettes more unique that way
I was a player of this game and to be honest I think your designs are poorly done not because I find them ugly but because it no longer has anything to do with the universe of Concord your designs don't make Concord I know the characters of Concord and their personality and I find that it doesn't resemble them Teo is not like S76 Teo seems to have no personality but he's a freegunner who takes his bounty hunter missions seriously when he has a mission he is very serious and disciplined because of his time in the army he left I think the only person who has the right to improve the characters is the original designer. Because he has a way of doing things example I noticed that in his designs there tends to be curved shapes even at the map level
thats fair if that's how you interpret "redesign", but in my opinion redesigning can include vast departures in a visual sense so long as they still adhere to the overall purpose of the character, especially for hero shooters I made the chem crowd control character look more like that's their purpose, I made the support tank-- ok I think I may have jumped the gun a little with that one but it overall was meant to achieve the same purpose as the original but in a different way hence redesign
the more i see these redesign videos the more i think the original character designs feel intentionally bad, so they can make a point that "look! 'woke' characters look bad!" when in reality the designs are just shit. love the redesigns though, actually helped me with some personal character designs!
It was supposed to be a fun homage to Moebius. But something went wrong early down the line.
I didn't know that! I honestly don't like these new designs as much as I did when I first made them because in hindsight they *do* stray a bit too far from the original art style, but I couldn't grasp how to do that without getting too Concord-y (shit design-y)
Knowing about Moebius would've definitely made these designs better and fit in more
thanks!
Personally, I would've leaned into Teo's generic-ness. What if he was a corporate soldier who was promised more and deserted when he learned what war was really like, taking all of his cheap, made-by-the-lowest-bidder gear with him. Make all his gear look like cheap junk held together with hope and duct tape, magazines labelled "do not reload" and ration paste tubes with expiry dates scratched out and rewritten. Give him an "I wanna be a hero!" additude and there you go, a criticism of generic shooter games, war, capitalism wrapped up in a loveable, goofy personality.
This is actually unironically a really cool idea and I want to draw this
Holy shit this is actually cool wtf
@Blankie-P thank you!!
I feel it'd actually work better if he were a soldier, but not a "corporate" one. Partly because I've seen so much of the "corpos rule the universe, capitalism bad" tripe (which hasn't been new, original, nor even good at any point, even as far back as the the first Alien or Blade Runner), and also because the made-by-the-lowest bidder gear is just as, if not more, common among Government-Issue grunts. Especially since such government intertwining doesn't tent to provide much incentive to work harder, and little actual punishment for not being up to task (e.g. always being behind schedule and never within budget). He can just as easily work having the Ray Stantz attitude on that, "Personally, I liked the university, they gave us money and facilities. We didn't have to PRODUCE anything... I've worked in the Private Sector, they expect RESULTS."
Me before finding out that greed and disregard for safety and quality of military gear (as well as products of all kinds in general) existed long before capitalism
That's it, otherwise agreed lol
Nice idea.
Gotta love when something is so shit it forms a whole community specifically dedicated to dunking on it. I might throw my hat in the ring myself, if I'm able to find a free moment.
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@@BlankiePaper hi blankie
Reminds me a lot of Dreamword which caused Callum Upton to form a team to produce Nightmare World. Though I wish he gave more frequent updates on that project.
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The playful attitude of the first character + the mask made me think of a Kamen Rider like hero. Was expecting it to lean more into that but I like the end result.
Absolutely love your DAW character! Plays as scary/psycho/manic medic who you wonder if he may be high on his own supply while he spikes you with meds and has "DO NO HARM" scrawled on his chest. 😬😂 Great idea.
The sketch at 23:41 was my favorite look for it.
Teo is just John Concord
i really love the twist you put on every character, alongside deconstructing the fundamentals of the character to better suit them. cant wait to not only see more redesigns, but more from you in general as well :]
I guessed medic…
… Purely because I’ve already seen other artists tackle this character design and express surprise at Daw being a medic. XD
Wait, the guy wearing 1/3 of a generic sci-fi cosplay outfit who looked incredibly bored in all the images I saw of him was supposed to be a goofy sarcastic character? Here I was imagining a personality akin to a tired dad being forced to participate in paintball game since his kids wouldn’t shut up about wanting to go.
I think Concord should have gone for a comic boom art style. They could have made the characters a lot cooler.
they do in their animated short, it doesn't do save the design but it sure does make it a lot less pain in the eyes
these are such amazing designs, i LOVE the personality they bring to each person, my favourite is the mad scientist healer - so amazing!!
I really enjoyed the massive armor on the original draft of the third one too. He reminded me of like a Terminator Apothecary with his cowled armor.
Let’s not forget the biggest thing Roadhog’s design gets right is that he’s objectively the hottest character in the game.
On a more serious note I think his design does an excellent job of portraying fatness respectively by showing him as cool and powerful BECAUSE of his weight not in spite of it.
A SYRINGE GAUNTLET IS SO FUCKING GOOD HOLY SHIT!!! I’m so impressed by this, your redesigns are some of the best I’ve seen throughout the concord fallout
These are some really out-there designs… I LOVE ‘EM! You read my mind about the hazmat character. I was literally saying in my head how the intestinal and hazard suit design could work if they committed to a more bio-weapon look.
dude, afk arena and ben 10 mentioned, i adore your thought process. just by looking at them i understand their role, i love seeing people come together like this :]
Those design scream personality not like the Concord ones.
I love how Concord just gave an excuse to artists around the world to show off their art to the people.
The Sans undertale killed me XD
Love the video, the design really inspired me to try and improve my ocs design
I genuinely like these redesigns even if they seem to be far off from the original. I've gone nuts watching redesigns all over YT and ur take's really interesting, tapping from a very gamer/cartoon inspired ideas. Go ahead & do more, man!
one thing i see in Concord design they forgot about good old day of arcade game like fighting game you pop coin in you got 30-60 sec to pick your character so the design need to be caught your eyes see them want to play them know how they gonna play
Concord be like let make people watch our weekly episode to know what this character is and read their bio ok which is really bad
Giving the shooter man (Taou?) the '70s jacket is such a good idea. It's also shocking that the original artist did not think of it being that retro futuristic was the design that they were theoretically going for.
The jacket was a cool idea, but the final result just looked like Genji with a jacket or something
I'm so glad people still remember Generator Rex
I just remembered coming across a redesign of Daw by a guy called KevinT that kept him overweight, but made three vital changes. First is of course actually carrying his equipment. Second was aging him up, getting rid of that jarring dissonance of that single-chinned babyface and his girth. Third, and easily the best change, completely rewriting his character away from the same MCU irreverent dip💩 that everyone else already is, and making an average laboratory joe at the wrong place at the wrong time. Already a much more fun character, whose ability to keep up with the team can be explained as being on a constant drip-feed of adrenaline as a result of being perpetually scared 💩less.
if Daw looked like that I would play the game just to play as Daw
It’s like the Homestuck FanArt looking better than the actual comic.
Beautiful work, these designs really catch the attention and bring out personality in the characters. I would love to see you redesign the reat of the characters too 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Amazing video! I love all of the disigns they had 1000 times more personality then the original ones. My favourite was the first Daw. Btw the editing is so coool
Love the designes.
You have a good sense of pushing things to extremes, which is very good for a design pipeline, it's easier to remove what you don't want then to add in what you haven't seen yet.
Exploration of themes and broad ideas are great through all of these. I love Daw the most. I'd suggest for even more character you can have the NO part of do NO harm scratched out, adding to his pretty openly chaotic and proud of it nature.
As a small bit of crit from a random animator on the internet, your elbows seem to go very far down often, if this is intentional it can work well, but on your final DaVeers design the arms are lopsided in length and scale, it doesn't come across as perspective or as something intended for physiology of the character, at least from what I can see.
I also noticed in DaVeers second iteration that the contours for the gauntlets are fighting each other, this pushes flatness on drawings quite a lot. As a general suggestion make sure your posing is done in such a way that contours don't battle one another but rather follow the same angle into or out of camera down the arm/leg/torse/hips and so on.
I personally love the style you have going. I'm very interested to see how it grows and evolves.
If what I've seen and heard of the devs social media accounts is any indicator, I don't think sole blame can be put on suits this time. They've got red flags of massive egotism, thinking that they know better than the audience, signs that it was probably an absolute toxic swamp of a workplace that was stuck in a social bubble. It's likely that nobody could speak up and point out to any problems regarding the game without higher-ups getting their egos bruised, and so they stopped caring and decided to just let them fall on their own sword. The level of critical failure this game managed to achieve isn't something you can get in anything resembling even a barely-functioning work environment.
The designs are just another symptom of this. They lack any sort of thematic cohesion, aesthetic appeal, or visual functionality, and the hyperfocus on photorealistic characters models tells me that they were relying on it purely as a crutch, thinking that people would be impressed by the number of polygons they have or that we can see every pimple on their faces.
Idk about egotism, maybe they’re just being defensive because seeing something you sunk a lot of time and effort into being ravaged on all sides would definitely make people emotional and therefore less rational when responding
Especially if they’re not really used to big waves of hate. I still put the vast majority of the blame on the suits until proven otherwise
And yeah AAA devs tend to use hyperrealism as a crutch to carry stuff
If it doesnt work simplified what makes it better complex
It’s like that photorealistic mario image from the 2000s
@@BlankiePaper I'm sure the suits played a role, but as I said, I don't think they're solely for blame for this one. Having a job in manufacturing, I'm used to having to see products scrapped for small flaws since our clients have a very small margin for error (also, they're medical parts, so it's all the more important that they're within parameters). But the scale of failure for this game is too big to have been the failing for any one party or department alone. Something was wrong in every step of the process, but any attempts to speak up were either ignored or worse silenced because 8 years is too long of a development time for someone to have not noticed something.
@@BlankiePaper Fair argument but at what point do you excuse the fact that those artists called the community "talentless freaks"? The senior concept artist knew that their designs were going to get backlash yet they still released the game as is, the same concept artist that hopes "weirdos" won't have anymore games to play
@@BlankiePaperIt also doesn't help with the Grifter losers coming in waves.
@@NukeTheOGThat's the words of the Senior Artist, no one else unless someone got evidence.
I love how Concord's only fan art is people making the characters look different.
Feels like a project that didn't get enough market research as the base game's designs have bit of a mid level Deviant Art feel to them. Where the artist has some talent but lacks some vital fundamentals.
Daw's redesign gives me Scott Pilgrim villain vibes, I love it.
i love your character sprite's design so much omfg
I love your cartoony style, nice designs!!
Not gonna lie, Seeing redesigned Teo reminded me of Billy Kid from Zenless Zone Zero, and I mean that as a compliment. It's still a whole lot better than what Firewalk churned out.
Absolutely love the designs they're so awesome, these are characters I would love to play as! One issue I have with Daw's design is too many colors, i think the blue on the arm could be the same as the blue on the chestpieces and the purple and gold could be removed all together.
That’s fair
just note, Jormand is a great series to base soldier designs off of.
Looking at the old Teo, I imagined him as a clone soldier, one in countless billions who only does what his corporation tells him to do. As for his cybernetic eye, I didn't even know that was there. In the gameplay, it looks more like his scope is what allows him to see in the smoke.
These are so much better than the Original. So much more thought out.
Also I really like your Avatar. They are really pretty.
this is exactly what i was frustrated about. i was talking about this yesterday with friends, just how do things work? how do you put this equipment on in the first place? what abilities do you have? how do you put it on as a character and not as a standard soldier?
the rocket launcher person pissed me off the most because i was sitting there for 15 mins wondering how'd they carried it with no strap and then i found the mechanical arm on the back of the tightskinned suit with no protection and thought "if you shoot that once, either your suit will rip or you will rip."
thank you for this video. this whole experience with Concord has made me reevaluate some of my own character designs for my own projects and I see it as beneficial to how I make stuff in the future because the fact that I got so frustrated with the design choices in general means that I'm doing at least something right.
Also COLOR THEORY. WHERE WAS THE COLOR THEORY IN THE DESIGNS? A lot of the choices were seemingly spun on a wheel blindly or something. It doesn't fit with the overall skill of the character or give them personality (like the assassin pink robot lady wearing khakis and a bolero tie?) A lot of muted colors and khaki, backgroundcore as you said lmfao.
You know, if you want a game that actually has some sort of proper art direction, the Forever Winter might be worth a look. The devs are super open that their inspiration is 90s anime and milsim gundam. Game's a brutal experience where you are a rat in the middle of a war and you're trying to survive. You aren't the hero, you aren't stopping the war, that boat has sailed a long time ago. You just need to survive, you just need to get that water... and for the love of God, only shoot if you need too.
The mantra of the game is pretty simple as well: You are not that guy.
Was the key jangling to make sure that my ADHD brain didn't go and get distracted and come back
very possible
These are leagues better than the originals, but I think the one downside is that these characters don’t feel like they belong in Concord.
That being said I can’t define the style of Concord. I just now those aren’t it.
I absolutely love the mad scientist btw
BULK AND SKULL MENTIONED!!!!!!! (i just HAD to write that as soon as i saw it)
anyways, these designs are SOOO SICK!! and i absolutely adored watching your process
Concord might be dead, but it was a valuable gift to all character designers, redesigning Concord characters is incredibly fun and good exercise. Always love to see different interpretations.
It was maded to fail. It feel like money loundry.
Conned by a cord
True true true
Someone finally talking about how cool sharkface is
I thought Teo gave Jaune vibe with White armor pieces over normal clothes...THEN REFERENCE RWBY IN VIDEO FOR ANOTHER CHARACTER LIKE YOOOO.
Also, NICE ART ❤
I was not ready for Pixel Gun 3D to be mentioned, but great video regardless
first video i see from you, and i just wanted to say that i love your avatar. he looks so fun
thank you!
i don't want to sound mean but the first re-do guy... thats billy from zenless zone zero. but with a rifle, so his older brother? other that you did a better job then the concord team.
Never heard of it but I searched it up and that mf’s design is actually so gas wtf
Amanda Kiefer is one of the main character artists for Concord, you can see quite the few works on her art station, but if I had to guess why the characters don't look good, and feel bad for saying this her art just isn't for this type of game, hero shooter specifically need character designs that pop out at you, and also the transition to her art, which I should preference she is a good artist, to live actiony desaturated character model, it's just not pleasing to look at, she did remark how the designs were made by committee, probably she had to draw up the designs to show a bunch of suits, and them decided which is the good designs to choose, which does happen a lot, but I don't know how much she actually has a say on the designs, I can only take her word.
oh yeah definitely, this person's style while good doesn't really scream "hero shoter"
the sheer levels of bombast and cartoony goofiness aren't really there. It'd fit in more with like, idk a more gritty yet colorful fantasy like Bioshock or something
Well I suppose the original Daw does have the discord-moderator thing going on, which, you know, lends a bit to his techiness. He looks like the kind of guy that has a katana at home. I liked the second versions of DaVeers and Daw more than the third though - I don't think the third design for DaVeers really establishes that they're protecting others from themselves, the protection is very light and is more of a doctor with a hazmat mask. Also they don't seem bulky enough to work with the power gauntlet as they do in the second version. Same with Daw - the second version is more bulky to kind of maintain the force of the rocket fist and his area protection nature. Also his threatening bulkiness creates a good sense of unhingedness with the Do No Harm sign. The lab coat contrasts with the power armor and leaves a coherent picture of what he's about, and looks badass. We can assume the thing on this other shoulder is the shield generator. The third Daw kind of leaves the question of what's the point of his one big arm? If he doesn't use it to attack, then why's it there? It doesn't add anything to the design and feels forced in there to make him an amputee. It's like Doomfist if his only weapon were the knuckle shotguns rather than the gauntlet.
The 2 biggest issues with all the designs are what' I'll call "Zag-Zig Design" (where they intentionally reverse/invert what is expected and what works at every point for the sole purpose of being unexpected and different) and "Discordant Asymmetry" (they just can't help themselves here, pick any character and you can instantly see that their aesthetics and sense of flow would be immediately improved by removing the intentional asymmetry forced into the character design).
Your style rocks, it's really cool indeed, also your arguments for why you chose those design elements are really good too. However, I'm not too crazy about some of the elements you used. For the first one perhaps an overtly big bionic eye. For the other 2 I get that trench coats look cool but they feel overused in media, imo, to a point that number 2 doesn't look like a hazmat suit or a sealed suit at all. Overall you have good content so keep at it
That final DaVeers design is sick. Reminds me a bit of Warframe's Lavos but certainly more someone you would meet in a lab rather than a battlefield with the less armored design. Kind of like if Viktor from League of Legends was into chemtech rather than hextech.
I guess it's safe to say that there are more Concord redesign attempts that exist than the number of Concord's concurrent players 💀☠️
Teo could've been accidental genius if they had instead named him "Ted" and had him deadpan his lines instead of having the same Sonic the Hedgehog delivery as everyone else.
they are cool but fall into the problem of having very similar shape structures, they all have the same hip to shoulder ratio creating a similar hourglass shape for all of them, your over relying on accessories to do the heavy lifting
over all I think you in the right track, it is disappointing seeing youtalk about how a character can be fat and still be well designed and not stick to keeping the character fat
Daw should be designed Paladin-esque too.
I wonder what My Characters would look like in your Style.
Funny how your redesign of Teo kinda got us Billy from Zenless Zone Zero. I guess there's not much you can do with "laid-back fnuuy cyborg soldier guy" but just look at them.
Maybe i should get on the Redesign trend really get my channel going
Most people say that concord is a heroshooter but in reality
it's an arena shooter
Like an fast fps
Titanfall and Destiny pvp
Whenever i see Daw the support, i think of Gibraltar from Apex Legends, both big guys who have shields, it proves a design like his can work but concord just doesn't have personality or flavour. 😢
Big bodies can work in videogames, you only have to know HOW to make them and Daw ofc isn't one of those.
Roadhog is a huuuge meat shield and is intimidating af
Mauga gives that vibes of really nice hawaiian dude, buff af that also is capable of choping a tree with his bare hands so make sense he carries 2 big ass miniguns.
This look`s like a Lethal League characters, which is cool )
Your designs are so far off from original designs, which proofs the point that game designs are so bad that to make them good you need to start from planing phase. Well at least artist are having fun
Nothing against you or this video, but comparing Overwatch to a gourmet cake sent my soul into orbit for a good minute.
Imagine he meant overwatch 1 not 2
12:05 --- I'd say so, too. Though I would've gone for a smaller face mask, one more in line with Soldier-76, or even a halfmask... ... What can I say, I like seeing people's faces ^^°
18:45 --- It sure is more interesting than the original... but Daveers or Deveers or whatever... is a normal human. And since this is a very realistic, "hyper-realistic", game of course the characters look the part. I dont really see that here, even as a mere concept. Also, I want the face :D
25:48 --- Dont blame only corporate decisions on this: the artists themselves were on board with this from what I've heard.
Your version of Daw looks like he belongs in Invader Zim lol
This video shows what happens when your corporation stops taking Genericine and actually try with character design.
#youcanquit
The more redesign I see on the net, the less I feel bad if the game designers lose their jobs.
i smell like molten plastic (again)
Not all games need to have ultimate abilities. Weird thing to criticize.
I liked what you did with DaVeers but I thought your Teo design was too modern and I liked your first Daw design better
this are some really cool design, I actually kind wish you mad the scraped jester one even tho it strays a lot of the original character concept. I just really like the idea of a jester with a gasmask.14:00
also I must say I almost have to thank this game for starting a conversation on character desgin in games and media in general and make a chracter stand out. it's honestly quite neat to see so many people talking about it as someone who want to be game dev myself and is working on game. can't want to see this conversation go further
For the doctor I would have leaned into a more zed like caricature someone why experiments on foes and uses proven methods on friends a clearly batshit insane person but not to the lvl of the tf2 medic having never gone to medical or a school of any kind he would dmg foes less threw intentional harm and more through gross negligence mixing multiple drugs on enemy’s causing a debuff/dot as the drugs can’t be mixed and using a single drug on teammate’s instead of a energy shield a dmg resist drug for teammate (also do no harm should have something at least slightly covering no to convey the fact that the caricature is still quite capable of hurting)
If only they hired you maybe just maybe there would have been hope
Bazz's design is liked by Asians ironically.
I was shocked daw is a medic, i thought is a tank unit
if it wasn't for me watching other people talk about this game, I'd honestly get mixed up with some of these. the ONLY possible way you could have even insinuated the fact Daw was ever a medic is if you implied Santa Claus, which they even failed to do then. or whoever the rocket-launcher girl is is able to fly despite nothing about her design saying she can (its almost like not giving her a jetpack was a bad idea). and some characters I'm not even sure what the hell they do (namely the elderly lady in purple. think she's some sort of mage, but they're already a mage on the team. )
Honestly i think an easy way to make more memorable characters is to make them not human. Maybe animals- wait a minute… Im describing furries.
Furry overwatch would make bank ngl
@@BlankiePaper true. We all know furries got mysteriously deep wallets.
Btw made that comment early in your vid, watched it nmby now, honestly i loved the reasoning in your new designs. The gauntlet idea was genius and the crazy melee medic was honestly so good.
Your art is amazing
I legit outloud said "Bro what?" when said what daveer did (i had look at the bookmark to remeber her name). Like show me pyro from tf2 and I'd say "yeah that guy burns shit" or junkrat from overwatch and I'd go "Oh yeah that guy blows shit up" but holy shit that surprised me why you said that.
Also the redigns are good, but they feel a little to far off from the originals, you could not show me that and I'd know who it was but also I get it, the originals are PRETTY bad
Admittedly I went way far off the originals with this one
But I just found it more fun that way :V
they shouldve hired you :P great vid btw!!
Thanks! These redesigns were really fun to make. Good for stretching the creative muscles
Also I have no idea who those characters are in your pfp but they look neat
Budget : $400 million btw
what bugs me about Daw's design is that he looks like he got all his gear out of the janitor's closet. 70's inspired or no, thats just not combat gear
Why your avatar looks like an eye connected to a body in a weird way like 0:17
The thing that confuses me the utter most is how the healers do not look a single thing like an actual HEALER. Daw looks like ice/water based dude and he is supposed to be a healer. It makes no sense when EVERYTHING in gaming says this person is ice/water based.
As for the intestine thing. I'm pretty sure that they are trying to go for the Alien franchise aesthetic. They had a lot of tubing things too. But it makes little sense when you actually apply it to suits. WHAT is the tubing for? What is it's purpose? what does it do? The answer is nothing. So therefor it makes no sense to have it.
Great video, but please invest in a better microphone it will go a long way.
I have a good mic (Shure MV7+ I saved up for for like a month), I think it's just that I have a really low-end laptop and no audio interface
@@BlankiePaper That may be it, there are some good free audio mastering softwares online, id recommend having a look :)
I swear all of your redesigns look great, but they don't feel like tge characters they're based on...
Probably because the originals have no real distinct traits.
l love how every person's immediate instict with redesigning Daw is "make him skinny." Because him being fat was the core problem and there's absolutely no way to make a heavy-set character work.
I only really made him skinny to reflect the shield tank aspect, with a squishy body but more tech-focused shield tanking rather than out of arbitrary anti-fat sentiment or whatevers.
If I wanted to make a more HP tank character with more bulk like say Heavy TF2 or Roadhog, then I would do that. Also I'm less confident with my ability to draw those kinds of builds due to lack of experience in working in character designs with that body type. I'll probably start playing around with those body types in some of my own original character designs but I just felt that this particular situation just called for a bit of a change.
So you're unhappy with the diversity of body types in concord and yet you made the fat character thin and replaced it with amputation..? Feels a bit.. insulting tbh. The color scheme was also a bit all over over the place.
Loved the other two tho. Especially your reimaged hazmat suit.
I think you’re overthinking it
No harm meant I just liked the character silhouette the robot arm made
The reason I made him thinner was because I wanted to convey visually that the tank part of his character came from tech shields, but the actual HP pool was a lot smaller and squishier in this iteration
If I were to make a health tank, I would go for the body bulk or armor bulk route and make the silhouettes more unique that way
Well, tbh I've seen gacha games die faster, but this is def the first AAA game to flop like this.
I was a player of this game and to be honest
I think your designs are poorly done
not because I find them ugly
but because it no longer has anything to do with the universe of Concord
your designs don't make Concord
I know the characters of Concord and their personality and I find that it doesn't resemble them
Teo is not like S76
Teo seems to have no personality
but he's a freegunner who takes his bounty hunter missions seriously
when he has a mission
he is very serious and disciplined
because of his time in the army he left
I think the only person who has the right to improve the characters is the original designer.
Because he has a way of doing things
example I noticed that in his designs there tends to be curved shapes
even at the map level
You look like you smell like grapes
tbh, you designed chars for concord 2. still below mid
boo womp
@@BlankiePaper just git gut, thats easy
You're not really redesigning the characters. You're just making them look like other characters instead of playing on what's already there.
thats fair if that's how you interpret "redesign", but in my opinion redesigning can include vast departures in a visual sense so long as they still adhere to the overall purpose of the character, especially for hero shooters
I made the chem crowd control character look more like that's their purpose, I made the support tank-- ok I think I may have jumped the gun a little with that one but it overall was meant to achieve the same purpose as the original but in a different way
hence redesign
@@BlankiePaper I just meant that it was more like making them like other characters than remaking them, however both are redesigns.
the more i see these redesign videos the more i think the original character designs feel intentionally bad, so they can make a point that "look! 'woke' characters look bad!" when in reality the designs are just shit. love the redesigns though, actually helped me with some personal character designs!
28:02 yo i did not expect to see battle cats youtubers in this vid lol
I CAN PLAY MOBILE GAMES TOO OKAY
@@BlankiePaper based, battle cats is the peak of mobile gaming
20:50
their names are bulk and skull from power rangers
DAMN!! Concord bring all of us artist to work...i mean, ey! Gonna beat that "Talentless freak" allegation somehow🫡