I have used this idea of yours on a pond that is in a subtropical situation, close to the sea. It only lasts about 3 to 4 months before algea grows in it, but as it is very cheap, I just replace it. It has worked wonders on the pond. Thank you for the idea.
I was wondering if that might happen. Maybe try soaking the hose in a bucket with peroxide/water then flush with a spigot. Definitely going to add this under my pool’s floating wetland 👌
Mr Butler you are inspiring. Taking something like a drip hose and using it as a bubble curtain is fantastically simple but brilliant. Thank you for all of your hard work and for sharing your findings.
We use a similar system for keeping harmful algal blooms out of ocean aquaculture sites. Moving air is a far more efficient way of moving water. Thanks for the excellent information and inspiration. Going to be incorporating a similar system in a swim pond build in September, but it'll be clay lined opposed to synthetic liner, looking forward to that challenge. Another design will be a sub surface sand bubbler using a similar technique to keep the beach sand oxygenated. Keep up the great work.
I bought this tubing for my wife this summer for watering the polytunnel and I DIDN'T think about pumping air through it LOL. I'll be doing this! thanks.
My son does Tik Tok films and I feature on a few recent ones - someone also commented I looked like James May - the Poundland version . P.S. Poundland is a very cheap (everything a pound) shop in the UK
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler damn that’s harsh. I definitely wouldn’t go that far, but your resemblance to James is uncanny as well as your delivery. Much love brother keep up the awesome content.
Just found your channel and wow what a smorgasbord of great ideas and techniques. I love the South Park like animation too 😎 Oh yeah hola from Costa Rica
Fantastic idea David! You think this could be part of the original build under a thin layer of substrate to make it look more natural? or maybe this would disturb the biofilm and generate debris in the water... What do you think? Thanks again for sharing.
Thank you for sharing, i will build and organic pool in patagonia argentina with your ideas. One cuestion only. With these air ribbon, can I replace bubble pipes? or you suggest keeping them as well? Thanks again!
As far as I know, hardened sludge is what plugs and brings an end to rubber air diffusers? In wastewater treatment, high pressure forces sludge to counterflow into the pores and the warmth of the air pushed through hardens the sludge? For this use - it's much less air pressure than in wastewater treatment reducing the counterflow? And, there's no sludge to harden and build up over time. A good soaker hose used as soaker hose can last as long as 4 years before clogging from mineral deposit buildup. But you won't get deposits with air. I'm hoping on getting at least 5 years?
Here's a challenge for your ingenuity. Have considered / tested a suitable method for creating a jacuzzi / spa area using the bubble pump system? Do you think you can create a strong enough flow to produce the massage effect jet outlets?
Loved the video, can anyone please tell me if this does away with the need for the underground air system that flows out of the 6 or 8 plastic pipes just below the surface.? Southampton UK
Hi John and others, thank you for your interest. This air ribbon is easily incorporated into the pool build but should only be considered as an addition to the standard bubble pump and plant based filtering. In most circumstances it will be beneficial, but if incorrectly positioned it may lift sediment and nutrient into the water column and encourage algae. So if fitted, it would be best to incorporate a plastic stop valve into the air supply to control the flow and turn it off if needed.
What a great idea, I love the simplicity of your recommendations and plans. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us! By the way, was this shot in December? If so, kudos on swimming and getting in the water in less than warm temperatures :-)
airstones used in small fish tanks lower the pressure of air, it's similar how when you use small water mist nozzles, those require lot of pressure so for deep ponds it's better to not use those stones and just use some drip irrigation heads or perforated pipes
Great. I did the same thing to keep debris away from a dead spot, only 2m though :) what did you use to make the holes and how do you ensure the holes stay upright? So max 10 holes for 60L/h pump?
You buy this hose from garden suppliers. There are multiple holes all over it. So you dont need to worry about which way they are facing. Plus air will naturally head to surface anyway and its not a huge pressure of air coming out.
Is there a basic video that shows how these pools work? Like, can the regen zone go below the main one? Can they be the 'same pool'? What is the regen zone?
We don't want the pipe too deep as it will stratify the water and some animals rely on vertically migrating to their preferred temperature. Even a shallow depth of pond water will attenuate UV dramatically, so the pipe will last a long, long time - not the most scientific of answers, I admit.
Mr David Pagan Butler! My question is this: When will we see the first PUBLIC INDOOR organic swimming pool lets say with an olympic size pool😮 Can it be done? With thousands of daily users?🤔
What's the carbon footprint on thousands of daily users driving/being transported to and from the public pool? To get thousands to come, many will be coming from a considerable distance away. 🏊🏊💒🚙🚙🚌🚃🚂🚙🚋🚁🛩🚑🚗🚐🏎🏎🚔🚙🚂🚌🚐🚚🚒🚗🚃🚕🚕🚗🚜🚲🚛🚓🚗🚕🚕🚐🚎🏎🚎🚙🚙🚌🚌🚕🚐🚐🏠
@@amiratilly5900carbon footprint 😷 The elites who own dussins of villas and boats, jets mm after have stolen our money and tax don't care about their foot print, only about the working class' footprint. They want everyone, not them of course, to live in 15 min cities without a possibility to get out, just like you. I don't care about carbon, carbon is good and all living beings need it
Hi Roysta, I love waterfalls in the wild but an artificial waterfall would need a conventional higher power pump - so I don't incorporate them. A pond waterfall may quickly be covered in string algae too. As an alternative, I'm happy to look at equally mesmerising bubbles.
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler what design would you use to use an airlift pump as a normal fountain pump? I.e. Airlift hidden behind rocks and water volume pumped thru a reed bed/veg zone? I have an idea just not sure if it would work as designed
Hello David, I’m impressed for what simplicity of your idea; very good. Love all information. Question, do you put holes on that rubber? . Thank you very much.
@@abcdecghijklmn The deeper you go , the greater the water pressure. Greater the water pressure, the less air volume per sec. Depths greater than 600mm, the average air pump loses the capability to pump a useful amount of air, negating any benefits. You could buy an air compressor or piston pump, but they are noisy, not energy efficient and need maintenance weekly if continuously running.
Hi, just to add to Graphite comment. Also, we don't want the pipe too deep as it will stratify the water and some animals rely on vertically migrating to their preferred temperature.
You are my inspiration. I am trying to build my own organic pool, back here in Colombia. Here is the start: pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep0X8x-XEAAIK_w?format=jpg&name=medium. It's full of raining water. I am drying it to install the polyethylene geomembrane. My two main concerns are the solar system to install the bump system and the hill where the pool is located at. All the best David.
It’s awesome that you’re still experimenting and innovating your system. Cheers to more excellent and inspiring work!
I have used this idea of yours on a pond that is in a subtropical situation, close to the sea. It only lasts about 3 to 4 months before algea grows in it, but as it is very cheap, I just replace it. It has worked wonders on the pond. Thank you for the idea.
I was wondering if that might happen. Maybe try soaking the hose in a bucket with peroxide/water then flush with a spigot. Definitely going to add this under my pool’s floating wetland 👌
@@Falkon-dv6hl That sounds like a good idea. I will give it ago.
Mr Butler you are inspiring. Taking something like a drip hose and using it as a bubble curtain is fantastically simple but brilliant. Thank you for all of your hard work and for sharing your findings.
We use a similar system for keeping harmful algal blooms out of ocean aquaculture sites. Moving air is a far more efficient way of moving water. Thanks for the excellent information and inspiration. Going to be incorporating a similar system in a swim pond build in September, but it'll be clay lined opposed to synthetic liner, looking forward to that challenge. Another design will be a sub surface sand bubbler using a similar technique to keep the beach sand oxygenated. Keep up the great work.
I bought this tubing for my wife this summer for watering the polytunnel and I DIDN'T think about pumping air through it LOL. I'll be doing this! thanks.
Great idea. In the process of digging my pool as we speak. Thanks for the videos.
Did you finish your pool?
Anyone else feel like David and James May were separated at birth?
My son does Tik Tok films and I feature on a few recent ones - someone also commented I looked like James May - the Poundland version . P.S. Poundland is a very cheap (everything a pound) shop in the UK
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler damn that’s harsh. I definitely wouldn’t go that far, but your resemblance to James is uncanny as well as your delivery. Much love brother keep up the awesome content.
David Pagan Butler back in business WOOOOOP WOOOOOOOOP 💪💪💪👏👏👏 👌👍
What a lovely response!
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler I love you man and I also 😍😍😍 your pools!
What a simple and great idea
I really like your videos, can't wait to build my own natural pool in the future. Also hope you start making vdies more frequently!👍
I'll try. D
So creative. Fabulous. I've learned so much from you. Thank you.
That's very neat (and smart). I love the look of it.
Love the ideas but I also have a tiny yard. I would love a natural plunge-your- feet-in pool for really hot days!
Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos. Son de gran ayuda para nosotros
Brilliant idea,thanks for sharing!
Just found your channel and wow what a smorgasbord of great ideas and techniques. I love the South Park like animation too 😎
Oh yeah hola from Costa Rica
Genius :-)))) Thanks so much - I will try that!
LOL from Germany
David? Couldn’t you fasten this hose around the pond to the highest timbers just below the water? Sounds like a good idea.
Thank you 4 the inspiration
you are an inspiration!! So impressed!!
Fantastic idea David! You think this could be part of the original build under a thin layer of substrate to make it look more natural? or maybe this would disturb the biofilm and generate debris in the water... What do you think? Thanks again for sharing.
Good 💡.
Thank you for sharing, i will build and organic pool in patagonia argentina with your ideas. One cuestion only. With these air ribbon, can I replace bubble pipes? or you suggest keeping them as well? Thanks again!
I'm wondering what the useful life is of the drip hose before the holes start to plug or what ever brings an end to air diffusers.
As far as I know, hardened sludge is what plugs and brings an end to rubber air diffusers? In wastewater treatment, high pressure forces sludge to counterflow into the pores and the warmth of the air pushed through hardens the sludge?
For this use - it's much less air pressure than in wastewater treatment reducing the counterflow? And, there's no sludge to harden and build up over time.
A good soaker hose used as soaker hose can last as long as 4 years before clogging from mineral deposit buildup. But you won't get deposits with air. I'm hoping on getting at least 5 years?
@@amiratilly5900 Thanks
what type of compressor do you use for this? I'm in awe of this simple air solution just not sure about the noisy air compressor I have.
Here's a challenge for your ingenuity.
Have considered / tested a suitable method for creating a jacuzzi / spa area using the bubble pump system?
Do you think you can create a strong enough flow to produce the massage effect jet outlets?
You're a genius thanks for sharing your genius ha
Thank you for sharing.
What if you would be doing laps daily. Would the bio filters get overwhelmed?
What size are your air pumps?
Loved the video, can anyone please tell me if this does away with the need for the underground air system that flows out of the 6 or 8 plastic pipes just below the surface.?
Southampton UK
That's something I would like to know as well 😊
it would be fantastic if so!!
I’m also curious!
Hi John and others, thank you for your interest. This air ribbon is easily incorporated into the pool build but should only be considered as an addition to the standard bubble pump and plant based filtering. In most circumstances it will be beneficial, but if incorrectly positioned it may lift sediment and nutrient into the water column and encourage algae. So if fitted, it would be best to incorporate a plastic stop valve into the air supply to control the flow and turn it off if needed.
Hi David! Hey what air compresser are you using?
i cant find this product to buy it onl;ine, do you have a link from amazon or other ? thanks
Hey David! Try some irrigation drip tape I think it will be more even. Cheers from New York
What a great idea, I love the simplicity of your recommendations and plans. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!
By the way, was this shot in December? If so, kudos on swimming and getting in the water in less than warm temperatures :-)
great animation, very effective
Thank you for a good idea. What air pressure does the air pump provide for this system?
Brilliant!
Awesome!
What air pumps do you use? The ones I’ve seen seem to have trouble pumping air down into deep water
airstones used in small fish tanks lower the pressure of air, it's similar how when you use small water mist nozzles, those require lot of pressure
so for deep ponds it's better to not use those stones and just use some drip irrigation heads or perforated pipes
Great. I did the same thing to keep debris away from a dead spot, only 2m though :) what did you use to make the holes and how do you ensure the holes stay upright? So max 10 holes for 60L/h pump?
You buy this hose from garden suppliers. There are multiple holes all over it. So you dont need to worry about which way they are facing. Plus air will naturally head to surface anyway and its not a huge pressure of air coming out.
@@nooie99 oh thanks, it's the pipe some people use underground for veg irrigation
@@738rh same in uK or laid just on top of soil to irrigate hedges veg beds and flower boarders. Ive used since the early 90’s
As the replies have already said before me - soaker hose is full of tiny holes
I like the idea. The other equipment costs a lot more than 20 however.
hello sir, could you please tell me what is the length of pipe already installed in your pond, and the flow rate of your air pump? Thanks in advance
Muy buena aplicación Gracias Profesor !
I hope the pike is still alive and doing well 😜 It should have put on a fair amount of weight by now.
Yes it is alive for sure - but its weight is a mystery
Is there a basic video that shows how these pools work? Like, can the regen zone go below the main one? Can they be the 'same pool'? What is the regen zone?
hi, what is a formula to calculate air flow to pond volume?
How well do these natural pools fare when faced with the threat of leeches and Naegleria fowleri?
In the UK leeches are only tiny fish leeches and don't/can't feed on humans.
Might be best to use it at depth to reduce photo degradation because it is made of recycled car tyres
We don't want the pipe too deep as it will stratify the water and some animals rely on vertically migrating to their preferred temperature. Even a shallow depth of pond water will attenuate UV dramatically, so the pipe will last a long, long time - not the most scientific of answers, I admit.
Would you come to Canada to help me in zone 2 - 3, would it be possible for me to have such a wonderful pool?
How old you adapt this for an airlift pump?
How do these ponds work in warmer climates? I really want to make one of these in by backyard in Australia - bloody hell, it's getting hot!
Hi Tony, many have been made in Australia.
There is a video on this channel with a warm climate build.
Love it!
Mr David Pagan Butler! My question is this: When will we see the first PUBLIC INDOOR organic swimming pool lets say with an olympic size pool😮 Can it be done? With thousands of daily users?🤔
Where are we going to get thousands of people to swim in it every day is our first problem 🤔
What's the carbon footprint on thousands of daily users driving/being transported to and from the public pool? To get thousands to come, many will be coming from a considerable distance away. 🏊🏊💒🚙🚙🚌🚃🚂🚙🚋🚁🛩🚑🚗🚐🏎🏎🚔🚙🚂🚌🚐🚚🚒🚗🚃🚕🚕🚗🚜🚲🚛🚓🚗🚕🚕🚐🚎🏎🚎🚙🚙🚌🚌🚕🚐🚐🏠
@@amiratilly5900carbon footprint 😷 The elites who own dussins of villas and boats, jets mm after have stolen our money and tax don't care about their foot print, only about the working class' footprint. They want everyone, not them of course, to live in 15 min cities without a possibility to get out, just like you. I don't care about carbon, carbon is good and all living beings need it
Can you connect a Venturi pump to the soaker hose instead?
Genius!!!
Im assuming it would also keep down the mosquitoes?
It would, if the pool did have mosquitoes. But a well made pool would not have mosquitoes anyway - I made a film a while ago explaining why.
Just wondering, how many air lift pumps are you using total?
Could u use this under the stones as your filter air ?
What air pump did you use for this?
Hailea V30
David I think you would be good at narrating Thomas The Tank Engine!!
Sorry i didnt understand .do you make holes in the hose?
No, the hose is designed to be already ‘leaky’
genius!
Can we add few fish to the ponds?
Do The pike live?
Rest assured, the pike does live.
Is that pike still in there though?
how do you deal with water evaporation?
What about making a nice waterfall out of rocks
Hi Roysta, I love waterfalls in the wild but an artificial waterfall would need a conventional higher power pump - so I don't incorporate them. A pond waterfall may quickly be covered in string algae too. As an alternative, I'm happy to look at equally mesmerising bubbles.
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler what design would you use to use an airlift pump as a normal fountain pump? I.e. Airlift hidden behind rocks and water volume pumped thru a reed bed/veg zone? I have an idea just not sure if it would work as designed
Hello David, I’m impressed for what simplicity of your idea; very good. Love all information. Question, do you put holes on that rubber? . Thank you very much.
The tiny holes are part of the hose's material, so you don't have to put the holes in yourself. Look up soaker garden hose.
Ill do. Thank you
Why not place the hose in the deeper section? ?
Bubbles would surface with greater speed🤔(or not?) and create better circulation?
@@abcdecghijklmn
The deeper you go , the greater the water pressure.
Greater the water pressure, the less air volume per sec.
Depths greater than 600mm, the average air pump loses the capability to pump a useful amount of air, negating any benefits.
You could buy an air compressor or piston pump, but they are noisy, not energy efficient and need maintenance weekly if continuously running.
@@graphite2786 😐😑🙄🤔🤔😯😮🙁😓😞😟😦😧😨😢😢 I'll be damned
Hi, just to add to Graphite comment. Also, we don't want the pipe too deep as it will stratify the water and some animals rely on vertically migrating to their preferred temperature.
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler that's 🚀science right there!😮😨
what pump is it attached to please?
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how clean is the water usually? can you drink it?
Yes you can drink the water in my pool - it has been tested - although the water clarity varies with the seasons
@@organicpools-davidpaganbutler that's impressive! are there any special measures to guard against giardia etc, im in USA southeast
You are my inspiration. I am trying to build my own organic pool, back here in Colombia. Here is the start: pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep0X8x-XEAAIK_w?format=jpg&name=medium. It's full of raining water. I am drying it to install the polyethylene geomembrane. My two main concerns are the solar system to install the bump system and the hill where the pool is located at. All the best David.
You're link doesn't work., I am also in Colombia (cundinamarca) converting my salt/chlorine pool to bog filter
Any suggestions how to get rid of leeches from a decently sized pond?
Put a bunch of kids in there as leach bait
@@khakicam5400 Hmm sounds like a nice plan!
@@khakicam5400 😀😀😀😀😂
In the UK there are no leaches that can harm humans, so it is never a problem.
I don't think leeches here are harmful here either it's just unpleasant to get bit by one.
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