Dropping A 474 Pontiac Stroker In The '78 Trans Am - Detroit Muscle S1, E2
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- We're building a 500 horse pump gas Pontiac! The guys team up with Butler Performance to build a bulletproof 474 cubic inch pump gas Pontiac stroker.
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PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
ARP: Assembly Lubricant, for Engine Assembly and Fastener Installation, Ultra Torque, 1 Pint, Each
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ARP: Main Studs, 2-Bolt Main, Pontiac, V8, Kit
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Comp Cams: Lifters, Hydraulic Roller, Vertical Link Bar, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Set of 16
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Comp Cams: Motor Oil, Break-In, Mineral, 10W30, Quart, Each
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Comp Cams: Rocker Arms, Ultra Gold, Aluminum, 7/16 in. Stud Mount, Full Roller, 1.65 Ratio, Pontiac, Set of 16
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Edelbrock: Cylinder Head, Performer, Aluminum, Assembled, 87cc Chamber, 195cc Intake Runner, D-Port, Pontiac, Each
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Edelbrock: Head Bolt Kit, Bolt, Hex Head, Chromoly, Black Oxide, Pontiac, Performer Cylinder Heads, Kit
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Edelbrock: Intake Manifold, Performer RPM, Dual Plane, Aluminum, Natural, Square/Spread Bore, Pontiac, 326-455, Each
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Loctite: Threadlocker, 243 Medium Strength, 6ml., Each
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Royal Purple: Assembly Lube, Max-Tuff, Synthetic, 8 oz, Each
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Summit Racing: FLOWKOOLER, Water Pump, Mechanical, High-Volume, Aluminum, Natural, Pontiac, 265/301/400/455, Each
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Butler Performance: 1969-1979 Pontiac Timing Cover -11 Bolt 350-455
Butler Performance: Butler Performance Pro Series oil pump
Butler Performance: Pontiac 400-455 BP Head Gaskets (Set)
Comp Cams: Custom Grind Roller Cam, Comp Cams, Pontiac
Eagle Specialty Products: ESP Armor Crankshaft, 2-Piece Seal, Internal Balance, Forged 4340 Steel, 4.250 in. Stroke, Pontiac, 455, Each
Eagle Specialty Products: ESP Armor Eagle Forged 4340 Steel H-Beam Rods (Set of 8)
Ross Racing Pistons: Ross/Butler 4.211 X 1.295 CH Flat Top Forged Pistons-1/16 1/16 3/16- .990 X 2.500 (Set)
The Industrial Depot: The Industrial Depot - Fasteners, Hardware, and Shop Supplies
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The people that write these shows are the best I can't imagine anyone else doing these episodes. The ratings are phenomenal and I see why now. They reflect the viewers watching the show. If it didn't hAve the history it wouldn't have the ratings it's as simple as that. If the new cars were more able to modify it would be a different story. You can't even get into a gm pxm because of the security codes locked into the stupid algorithm. If they made it easier to mod the home mechanic could do it. Now you are stuck to using a act box which usually won't pass the state inspection for monitors that won't be ready for the obd test. Also you can brick a pcm if your not careful. Qi can't imagine how much a 2018 camaro ss pcm would be. Let alone a 2004 mustang gt with pats keys that have.
What is the difference between olds Buick and Pontiac motors
@@dylanmathias1018 That is like asking what is the difference between a Chevy and a Ford. They are made by different company's (divisions) to totally different specs. The Ods, Buick, Pontiac 455 are all different bore and stroke, different crank shaft sizes and etc.
Dumpy 400? How many people do you know who have a 45 year old car that still runs as good as the day it was built? Because I have one. Treat it right and it will run forever! That's worth more to me than having the most horse power. My hot rods are always broke.
That crank is heavy? Wow! 😂😂😅😅😂😂
Butler is the Pontiac guys today. Back in my day (60's and 70's) it was Nunzi's Automotive and HO Racing Specialties.
Truth ✌️
Thank God for Butler Performance
Pause at 16:27. That face Joe makes when Tommy cracks that little joke is priceless. Thanks for brining these episodes back.
That T/A is going to need a good set of subframe connectors with that much torque. The unibody isn't stiff enough for that kind of power.
1st and 2nd gen firebirds 1967-1981 have an actual frame the body sits on. 3rd and 4th gen 1982-2002 are unibodies and need those subframe connectors
@@TAWS-wq3hx not true at all my friend. RoboticGladiator is correct. They have sub frames.
@@bradwatkins4494 no, from the factory they do not have subframes. You can have some custom made to reinforce the chassis when u add a torquer big cubed poncho. I've owned multiple 4th gens and known many with 3rds, I've compared the unibodies to the 1st and 2nd gen frames ☝🏼there big noticed able difference in design.
@@TAWS-wq3hx Wrong.
The 2nd gen is a unibody. You many have owned those ugly 4th gens, but I have owned several 2nd gens.
The floors, rear frame rails, inner and outer wheelhouses, quarter panels, trunk floor extension panels, rocker panels, rear body panel, roof, and cowl are all welded together to form the unibody. They do need subframe connectors, especially if they are t-top cars. Some including myself have added hidden cage beams to make the car even stronger. The 2nd gen is a completely different car compared to the 1st gen.
@@AB-80X no the 2nd gen 1970-1981 is not a unibody, it has a FRAME. Ive owned 2 of them lol. And now the 4th aren't ugly either they are pussy 🧲🧲, try again
Butler guys are really impressive ,they really speak Pontiac
The buthlers are great people......very helpful with any questions about a ole poncho.......man my pontiac obsession started when i first saw a starlight black 69 judge when i was a little kid....now i have 23 pontiacs all full size from 50-79 all 2 drs......still havent been able to get my GTO yet......
Cant you just release all these videos at once!! I want the whole project to binge.
Not how RUclips works
Hey Nathan, thanks for the douchie, “expert” opinion. Jeez, can’t people post something without being criticized so someone can make themselves feel better? Do you feel better and smarter than me now? Sorry you have a low self esteem....
@@nathanhighvoltage5259 actually you can post many videos at once. Example- Lil Wayne’s new album dropped and on his RUclips channel , all the songs came out separately one after another the same day
I also want to binge watch all the episodes to this project but maybe the car isn’t fully built yet that’s why they do it in episodes so you can watch as they build it.. that’s my guess.. idk
@@miggiemaccin6993 I believe emenim just did the same thing. Just a dumb ass that think they know everything lol
Had a 77 in high school fiberglass tilt frontend and quarters.ran great for pretty much stock motor.wish still had that car.lol
I had a 77 red but all gold trim even came with bandit pin striping and cb radio factory....had pinstripes on top but sunroof deleted.....400x and 400 turbo....positrac was awesome.... I love the snowflake rims....
Not many know, that the ball-stud rocker arm system, was invented by a Pontiac Motors engineer, Clayton Leach, in 1949.
I’m looking forward to seeing the 455 on the dyno.
Butler is who builds Big Chiefs motors on Street Outlaws..
We are building a Big Chief tribute car now
I'm an Aussie and I know who them Butler boys are. From watching RamblinAround videos. If you like Pontiacs, check out Jordan as he puts another junker back on the road. Cheers.
About time Pontiac engines see some love.
Do up a Oldsmobile or Buick next...or, the underdog of all bigblocks, a Cadillac 500
Holdener has got one.
Cool - Butler got 612 pump gas hp from one of their 474 ci. Pontiac V8 Stroker Builds :)
and they have gotten over 750 HP out of them too...............
How many miles per gallon lol
@@donfregin8668 Just add a overdrive auto transmission or 6 spd manual there's several to chose from - a 76 T/A With a 535 ci. Butler Pontiac V8 829 pump gas hp got 20 + mpg with a Overdrive auto 😎
Anyone watch the background acting and can't help but laugh your ass off?
The acting has always been bad on this show and Tommy made it worse when he came on.
Align bore, not align hone shown. Never use fully grooved mains as you lose 60% of your load-bearing capacity. Either cross drill the crank or use 3/4 groove mains.
Sweet a true pontiac engine
Cool build, I've learned a few things about Pontiacs.
"did you know him?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Glad i found this channel I love watching the trams am rebuild It's Awesome as a kid i thought watching Burt Reynolds rip up the Smokey And The Bandit Trans Am was the coolest thing ever . Great job Keep up the great work
The GTO Judge...Let me tell you what Melba Toast is packin' right here, all right. We got 4:11 Positrac outback, 750 double pumper, Edelbrock intake, bored over 30, 11 to 1 pop-up pistons, turbo-jet 390 horsepower. We're talkin' some forkin' muscle.
It’s like our sergeant said before one trip into the jungle “MEN!!!!, 50 of you are leaving on mission and 25 of you ain’t coming back”
Imma blow your doors!
Just put some early 1971 / 1972 7K3 Pontiac heads onto any Pontiac 455 block and you will have about 9.5 compression and around +400 HP that is fully capable of running off pump gas. Those were the days when hot rodding, cruising, and light to light racing was insane weekend fun!
Or the 1971 96s...
@@serfcityherewecome8069 Really hard to find those T3K heads today but back in the 1980s they could be easily found at local auto wreckers! Pretty good heads that were found on some early 1970 ~ 1973 Pontiac 400 engines!
Just the facts...I like these guys and I am learning from them..cheers from the UK..
I always liked big block power with high gears. 2.73s or 3.08s. You have plenty of thrust out of the hole, and rocket ship on the highway. Best of both
Butler said on this program no big block pontiac
@@blainesnider9089 "big cubic inch power" then. Feel better?
@@edjackson4389 huge weight difference
@@blainesnider9089 I've never owned a Pontiac. Only Chevy Big and small blocks, so I'll take your word for it, but Pontiac engines don't exactly look lightweight
@@edjackson4389 a short block weight 309lb and the heads weigh half as much a BBC
Cool video, I race a 68 Firebird and tow it with a 68 convertible! All those pontiacs in the junkyard made me drool.
My friend had one of these in the 80's. It was a true muscle car. Awesome car
No it really wasn't, one those were pony cars, but that technicality aside the muscle car ear ended in '70 although the Pontiac still made quick cars until '74 with SD 455. Everything after '74 was gutless.
That lasted for about a decade, until Dodge decided to a throw turbo on econobox Colt, making it quicker than the Corvette in '84. It was slow climb back to respectability until the 90's even then it's was Japaneses who upstaged the world by creating obtainable quick cars that had world class handling at the time. Both the NSX and RX-7 were the best handling cars at any price in he early 90's.
As someone who has owned both a '77 W72 and '78 W72 WS6 car, I can attest to the fact that in stock form, they are absolute pigs. So was everything else at the time. The '78 was still faster than the Corvette and Mustang of the day though lol. Nothing was fast or a true muscle car in the late 70's. The redeeming feature of the Trans Am was that it stayed true to big inch displacement and it looked far better than anything else. By that standard, it was for sure the only true muscle car left by then, but more in spirit than actual performance.
OMG the cars i saw go to the crusher when the price was high for scrap and gas crunch was on and the town was after them to clean up. I cry to this day the blocks from Canada that were scraped also as the car was pooched from salt and the motors were just broke in sort of. I remember duel 4 barrels and six packs i could beat with my bike because they were running on 5 cylinders from neglect like the loner we got with the 428 side oilier and top loader but it hardly started.
Man I’d love to have this car to give to my son!im a disabled army vet wheelchair bound..my home health aid stole just about 50k from me when I sold my Camaro which I was going to use to help my daughter go to college and buy my son a car for his last yr of school..so this would be a dream to give to my son..
If you see the 455 block’s bottom, this was a 75-76 455 because it wasn’t drilled for 4 bolt mains.
There are earlier 455 blocks that aren't 4 bolt mains. What's your point?
@@V8DeuceNo, but ALL of the 1970-74 455 blocks came PRE-DRILLED for 4-bolts from the factory, whether they had the 4-bolt caps or not.
That car was so Nice when they first came out.
nice build
Can you guys do a thing on independent throttle bodies please?
Thanks a bunch.
Glad they put a pontiac in it.
I wonder who got the car.
This episode is at least 5 years old someone's won it by now.
...look pa, look ma, it's the car with the screaming chicken on the hood!
Yeeeeeeehawwwwwww
I love a Pontiac Trans Am
Cool shit! Love it team👍
Unmistakable lines and a legacy, wow👏👏👏👏😅😅😂😅😅
Everyone hated those screaming chicken TAs from 1977 and 78, including myself. A guy I worked with bought one, a black one. I pretended I liked it in front of him, but with anyone else I told them they sucked, because they did. I think you could maybe get a 20 second et thru the quarter with one of these mickey mouse cartoonish cars. I had a 71 Firebird Espirit with a 350 and a three speed on the floor. I could have run circles around a 77 or 78 with a stock 350 with a 2 barrel. I hated those huge hood decals , puking chicken.
I had a 1970 455 ho judge the only thing I changed was the carb, I put a huge Cadillac carb, because of the secondary bore on it,I didn't have the money or garage that you guys have
You tell by the VIN if any Pontiac A body is GTO from '66 on. The same is true of the SS 396 Chevelles. In '68 the 442 got it's own body code. I don't think Buick ever did that's for the GS, or GSX. Your out of luck for most other models as the VIN will only tell you if it came with a V8 or not. With enough leg work most of the time you can figure what they were originally but wont be as easy as checking the VIN.
You can build a 400 to over 600 hp. Just use a 1974 or earlier block.
In the future I'll be building my '67 Pontiac 400 block. Goal is to get 500-600hp mated with a rebuilt 400th trans. And throwing all that in my' 75 Firebird/Trans Am clone.
@@atranfanatic 600 is easy.
Here's how it's done.
Vic intake.
Ported Edel 340 heads.
Comp HUC 13861 intake lobes and 13863 exhaust lobes w. a 113+2 LSA on 1.6 rockers. No sewing machine here.
10.5:1 static CR.
Of course it needs to be put together properly, but that's a good 600+ hp combo.
@@AB-80X Ok cool thanks for the info. I'll put those in my records for the future!
Pontiacs have weak bottom ends but aftermarket parts can make a 400 or 455 solid and capable of big power
I saw that DGGM impala SS sitting back there. :😉
While I'm always happy with good old school iron, the bigger the better of course......but I would like to see some modern technology as well, maybe a side by side build.....two engines 50yrs apart in age but best in there time.....be interesting to see the differences and refinements over the decades
Great show. Nice garage.
I’m upset to find out the the T/A sweepstakes already ended before this was on RUclips.
They act like people still watch them on Spike channel
@@thomasdaddio741 sounds fishy to me
That is a bad ass motor
Have you ever thought about doing a test of after market Pontiac heads?
There are now a bunch of them.
My dream Pontiac a 78 ta id love to own it
Joe "ESP Armor reduces friction and buys us another 30 horsepower" Elmore....
No, it does not lol.
maybe a pony or two
@@SnoopysVet Nothing. Lol. Looks nice though..
Never use Eagle Products. The forgings are all Chinesium. Get SACT stuff, all USA materials and machining.
Damn, I remember Pontiac came out with the 1970 Ram Air V Trans Am, Pontiac 400 with 500 bhp...
Who ever told you about a Ram Air V? No such thing. Most were Ram Air III and a there are a few Ram Air IV's.
Do your homework they did make a Ram Air V. It just never got put into a production car. @@AB-80X
We're RA V sold over the counter only?
More like snuck out the back door to factory backed race cars. I think you could buy one but not sure.@@707x-y6s
The only things I need for my build is: 4 bolt main caps and sealed power zero gap compression rings. Roller camshaft bearings and rockershaft system securing the rocker arms..
BullyBilly
is this a show or an infomercial? lol
A boatload of time??!!🤔🤔😅😅😂😅😅😂 Okay buddy
Bummer they did all that and didn’t throw it on the dyno
Awesome informative Video experience Y'alls God Bless Ya Prayers 🙏
Awesome 😎 project.... I wish she was in my driveway.... Ain't it just ain't it 😎 lols
Not that it means anything but I live about 30 minutes from where that first car was delivered. Davenport Iowa.
great camera work....like it!
They really think that crank coating added 30hp? That's pretty impressive if true
That's called advertisement. Don't blame Butler for that. That shit was on PN.
How ironic Rodney is assembling the bottom end. Hopefully he is not a uncle Rodney. Lol 😆
GOOD JOB ALWAYS GIVE THE BREAD TO HIS BAKER
Two.much power
You can make the cid and hp with stock parts if you know how to machine parts and leave China out of the equation it will last too. Lol eagle do you have stock in China?
Cv-1 heads the best
The link doesn't work for registration on your car giveaways
The Hooper Super Duty Trans Am. Or......... The Super Hooper Duty?? Lol
It's like every 15 seconds is a mini infomercial...
What yard did I see at 0:19......I NEED THAT 65 FULL SIZE FRONT BUMPER!!!
Lol funny you say that when i saw that 65 and i was womdering if there was any 66s cause i need a rear bumper for a 66 full size
One of the most important things you skipped over was how to seat the rear main seal so that it does not leak.
They dont want all their tricks out the window. Why dont you put down how 2.
@@numlockkilla Are you kidding? You can buy that seal and they include instructions. There was so little info in this video it was abysmal, It was not meant for gearheads, that's for sure.
Did I see them put a dual into a single back to a dual exhaust system on this car? If so, explain that please.
Rodney built the 461 I have in my Bonneville.
If the government didn't neuter the auto industry, we never would have had the Pinto, the Maverick, the Prius, or the Smart Car. Anytime you hear "I'm from the government and I'm here to help", RUN!!!!
Pinto wasnt even a bad car that whole fire was exaggerated as ford had fixed the issue... They just didnt recall the faulty cars
@@misterbuklau4053 You think the Pinto was decent compared to the 1970 Mustang? Or the 1969 GTO? Or the 1967 Corvette?
@@hualni No, GOD NO!
It wasnt even a comparison
@@misterbuklau4053 And that's what happens when a bunch of bureaucrats get involved in the private sector. It is about to get far worse in America. The government is going to be involved in literally everything. We might see $6/gallon gas by summer 2022.
So, now we all know what Uncle Rodney looks like.
I was son bummed out in how the exhaust system was handled. I assume it was due to emissions.
I live in south africa you do see older american muscle prowling the streets but these days they tend too hide. Only american muscle you see prancing our streets are mustangs. My dream car is any of the yenko camaros chevelles. Even have a crush on mopars
I Thought that engine block was edible !
600 lbs of torque, NA; my gawd'
5:40 the coating on the crank is going to add 30 hp? These guys will tell a lie with the quickness.
Your right. On this particular build, NO. That is definitely a stretch. On a high RPM long stoke motor it might.
@@geoffmooregm It will not increase 30 hp on any engine.
@@thomasdaddio741 I'm glad I'm not the only person that can smell the BS.
@@thomasdaddio741 The emission is not the reason it made 152 hp. The low lift cam is the reason. A 1978 Lamborghini Countach made 375 hp and was able to pass emission.
@@thomasdaddio741 It would be nice if you guys stop believing everything PowerNation tell you.
Boa tarde Nice amén vai trabalhar
Waiting to see a caddy on here...lol
Caddy 500 would be awesome.
👍👍👍👍👍
76 Grand Prix 10:48
are you sure the top ring has .018 gap and the second has .020? shouldnt it be the other way around.
No. Second gap is usually bigger.
How did your sneak it up there on that Dino?
Whats with that grade 5 hardware on the intake and valve covers guys.... dress it up
What are the custom CAM specs and what is he rear end ratio in the TA? Thanks.
I had some good running Pontiac motors but they just didn't hold up
I'll choose kauffman over butler any day
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I would love to win this awesome hot rod3
Keep the T/A in its original color scheme. Dont change it.
It originally came in black with gold trim..the red paint was done when she bought it
But does the shaker work with that intake? I used a weiand on mine and the shaker didn't line up with the hole in the hood
727👍's up guys thanks again
My oh my do i love these F bodies!
A body’s! Not f body’s.
ruclips.net/video/pYG4vfRMWxo/видео.html
Your so called "GTO / Judge " expert needs to do more research around these cars. Code "72" on the Data Tag will show that it is a true Carousel Red / Hugger Orange painted car from the factory. Also, there were more than 1500 first production Judges manufactured in Carousel Red in early 1969. Side note, first production Judges did NOT come with "Judge" glove box emblems . Also, if a trunk is opened and can stay up without holding with your hands, it means that it has a heavier duty trunk lid rods - only found in Judges. I can go on and on. There are all kinds of ways to detect if a car is a real Judge - and yes, including a PHS.
Why did they omit mega braces in the lifter valley?
Not needed with such a small camshaft. Most don't need it until you start using big aggressive camshafts.