The original art direction for TF2 that focused heavily on industrial 50s/60s Americana is one of my favorites in all of visual media. It created a nice balance of gritty cartoonishness that complimented the chaotic yet coordinated gameplay. One of a kind really and timeless.
Turbine being originally considered "outstanding quality" really shows how much TF2's community mapping scene has evolved since 2008. I mean, have you SEEN what those madlads did on Embargo?
@@hlibushok it looks sick as he'll but the gameplay kinda sucks on there: sniper sightlines are too long and the flanks aren't really their own thing and make it feel too much like a funnel to the capture points
Embargo's gameplay is way too varied with no genuine themes. Also the new pet item can confuse players with the (actually gameplay relevant) robots on the map. It is just not tf2.
> Make a TF2 map with a new environment, taking a good chunk of time making sure it fits the game's art direction. > Do public playtest sessions for feedback. > Make changes to address feedback. > VALVe emails congratulating you and your team for getting the map in the game, while also asking for changes to be done if needed. > Make changes from VALVe's feedback. > Map is shown to the public at launch, prolly in a buggy state due to VALVe's map compiler. > Playerbase that thinks they know more about the game than you tells you it doesn't fit the artstyle and plays like shit because they lost. TFW >:(
Iikka Keranen (the maker of hydro, badlands, doublecross) was one of the best Doom mappers of the 90s, he worked on some very old Doom wads like STRAIN and Requiem, that's how I recognized his name and I had no idea he went on to work at Valve until now
Arena maps are so unfortunate. The game mode obviously flopped hard but the maps are amazing and converting them to KotH would be so simple. I would love to play a KotH version of Offblast or Ravine on official servers.
It's double unfortunate considering how the arena maps are such a part of the external perception of TF2. How many GMOD TF2 animations take place on Lumberyard, Watchtower, Offblast, etc. So many, and it's a shame they aren't used anymore. I 100% agree these Arena maps should be converted to KOTH maps so that we can experience these maps again without the stigma of Arena. They worked for SawMill and Nucleus, it can easily work for the others.
@@BeaverBotics2 The other arena maps are a little small for KOTH right now (which is probably why they were never converted by Valve) but I think they could definitely be turned into decent KOTH maps with some tweaking to expand them a little. New areas, paths, etc.
It didn't flop hard, did you play it at release? Because I'm betting you didn't. Everyone who joined TF2 post-F2P acts like they know anything about the glory days of Arena and assumed no one played it because they didn't implement it into Casual. There are nearly 3 years between the release of Arena & the 1st instance of Matchmaking and it had a healthy playerbase for much of that.
@@SnackPatrol Yeah and where are they now? Even three years in the span of this game is a drop in the bucket. Huff that copium lad, arena sucked and died. I've been playing this series since before TF2 even existed. Arena fizzled.
@@YakYo I have too, and it fizzled over years. 1 or 2 years is not a short period for people to be playing something. If I made a game that many people enjoyed over several years I'd consider it a success, too. Just because something wasn't the most popular game mode doesn't mean it didn't have its audience- the fact that Valve didn't support it with matchmaking was just as much the reason for its end as its lesser player count. It might have had a resurgence, even slightly, when the game went F2P but again it wasn't incorporated into matchmaking. If you have your "ear to the street" of TF2 you'd notice several people longing for some kind of Arena resurgence- it's still fun & Perks and Graveyard proved it last Halloween, even if it's a "change of pace" thing people queue for occasionally like Medieval.
6:53 There was gonna be a CTF version of Badlands, that would be more faithful to the TFC version. it was cut for some reason, but there is concept art and a realized version in the Pre-Fortress 2 mod.
Excellent compilation there, Whomobile! I hope that eventually you can get into the more zany new maps that have been added along with maps beyond 2010!
I get super nostalgic every time I see the arena maps that used to be so common to find a game for. I'll admit it was very frustrating and unforgiving haha. "Skill issue" for sure
"It isn't even on casual map queue" Arena is good and dopamine inducing. I think the problem as to why it isn't featured in Casual isn't because players hated it at the time, but because it's simply not up to the sheer quality of the other modes.
fun fact: goldrush had 2 verisons for raid mode 1 verison called Raid_teststage with only stage 2 from goldrush that has a boss arena that is connected to a basement made in red teams spawn which has a elevator that leads to the boss arena it also has respawn closets raid_goldrush a earlier verison when raid was just starting devolpment
14:50 the symbol the wiki references is the one at the bottom in 4th collumn from left. The one shown in the video looks like scout picking up his ball.
Quick heads-up: your 2nd channel is very difficult to search for, the only way is through a main channel vid that has the link in the description, or by searching the 2nd channel's @. I'd like to ask you to change its name to something more searchable; it's really frustrating. And thanks for compiling all the shorts, it's extremely helpful and much more accessible now.
3:40 It`s always bug me is that Red are on the Defensive while Blu is the Attacker. Because their team company is the completely opposite from each others.
Does anyone else find the slight irony(?) (for lack of a better word) in turning vertical shorts into longer widescreen videos when most creators I'm aware of are reworking their existing content into shorts or TikToks? Whomobile is single-handedly saving GenZ's attention spans lol. On a serious note, I really appreciate the work put into this, especially actually using the original widescreen footage instead of just pillarboxing the uploaded shorts like some other people would've. Keep up the good work 👍 but don't feel pressured like you have to make any specific type of content, just whatever makes you happy.
The original art direction for TF2 that focused heavily on industrial 50s/60s Americana is one of my favorites in all of visual media.
It created a nice balance of gritty cartoonishness that complimented the chaotic yet coordinated gameplay. One of a kind really and timeless.
American*
@@FelipeJaquezNow it's Clown Fortress 2. The art direction is dead.
@@Garrad3 such a shame :(
@@Garrad3 not really, unless you like looking at bad things online all the time and making yourself feel bad
@@Garrad3Sad to admit but you could say in 2012 too
Hahhaha (sad laughter)
Turbine being originally considered "outstanding quality" really shows how much TF2's community mapping scene has evolved since 2008. I mean, have you SEEN what those madlads did on Embargo?
@@hlibushok it looks sick as he'll but the gameplay kinda sucks on there: sniper sightlines are too long and the flanks aren't really their own thing and make it feel too much like a funnel to the capture points
Embargo is on the same tier as Wutville
Embargo's gameplay is way too varied with no genuine themes. Also the new pet item can confuse players with the (actually gameplay relevant) robots on the map. It is just not tf2.
Embargo is pretty impressive from a technical standpoint, but is just not fun to play :(
> Make a TF2 map with a new environment, taking a good chunk of time making sure it fits the game's art direction.
> Do public playtest sessions for feedback.
> Make changes to address feedback.
> VALVe emails congratulating you and your team for getting the map in the game, while also asking for changes to be done if needed.
> Make changes from VALVe's feedback.
> Map is shown to the public at launch, prolly in a buggy state due to VALVe's map compiler.
> Playerbase that thinks they know more about the game than you tells you it doesn't fit the artstyle and plays like shit because they lost.
TFW
>:(
Little Nucleus fact: pd_galleria is actually a festive version of Nucleus. It shares the same exact layout.
Fuc forgot about that one
I thought this was common knowledge...
@@SnackPatrol Some people might not realize considering how much decoration Galleria has going on.
Iikka Keranen (the maker of hydro, badlands, doublecross) was one of the best Doom mappers of the 90s, he worked on some very old Doom wads like STRAIN and Requiem, that's how I recognized his name and I had no idea he went on to work at Valve until now
He made map for CS too I think
Arena maps are so unfortunate. The game mode obviously flopped hard but the maps are amazing and converting them to KotH would be so simple. I would love to play a KotH version of Offblast or Ravine on official servers.
It's double unfortunate considering how the arena maps are such a part of the external perception of TF2. How many GMOD TF2 animations take place on Lumberyard, Watchtower, Offblast, etc. So many, and it's a shame they aren't used anymore.
I 100% agree these Arena maps should be converted to KOTH maps so that we can experience these maps again without the stigma of Arena. They worked for SawMill and Nucleus, it can easily work for the others.
@@BeaverBotics2 The other arena maps are a little small for KOTH right now (which is probably why they were never converted by Valve) but I think they could definitely be turned into decent KOTH maps with some tweaking to expand them a little. New areas, paths, etc.
It didn't flop hard, did you play it at release? Because I'm betting you didn't. Everyone who joined TF2 post-F2P acts like they know anything about the glory days of Arena and assumed no one played it because they didn't implement it into Casual. There are nearly 3 years between the release of Arena & the 1st instance of Matchmaking and it had a healthy playerbase for much of that.
@@SnackPatrol Yeah and where are they now? Even three years in the span of this game is a drop in the bucket. Huff that copium lad, arena sucked and died. I've been playing this series since before TF2 even existed. Arena fizzled.
@@YakYo I have too, and it fizzled over years. 1 or 2 years is not a short period for people to be playing something. If I made a game that many people enjoyed over several years I'd consider it a success, too.
Just because something wasn't the most popular game mode doesn't mean it didn't have its audience- the fact that Valve didn't support it with matchmaking was just as much the reason for its end as its lesser player count. It might have had a resurgence, even slightly, when the game went F2P but again it wasn't incorporated into matchmaking.
If you have your "ear to the street" of TF2 you'd notice several people longing for some kind of Arena resurgence- it's still fun & Perks and Graveyard proved it last Halloween, even if it's a "change of pace" thing people queue for occasionally like Medieval.
Hearing this man's voice speak some map trivia got its charm.
@@Slavisi0n yes it's really soothing to ears.
Ahhh, what can be better than some nostalgic TF2 stuff. Thanks.
6:53 There was gonna be a CTF version of Badlands, that would be more faithful to the TFC version. it was cut for some reason, but there is concept art and a realized version in the Pre-Fortress 2 mod.
Hydro Fun fact: "Meet the Engineer" takes place on Hydro, at night
Only Partly true, Meet the engineer takes place on its own map but uses the guardrail prop from hydro
I love you, Whomobile. You're my favorite Perthian and TF2 creator. I wish you the best in all your pursuits of passion.
Injecting TF2 map facts directly into my blood
scott the woz
just a heads-up, the closed captions are borked and should be fixed up
Ah ok, working on it
im glad u turned these into a real video i have never and will never watch a short
Old TF2 maps had a certain charm that was lost somewhere along the way, I quite like the way they look.
I always thought the little bunker areas on Dustbowl and Goldrush last were a great feature that never took on.
Hope you upload videos covering 2010 onwards 🤘
I will at some point
Year of the Return of the King of the Hill of the
@@Whomobile Why are you still a virgin?
14:48 is clearly a scout reaching to pickup a baseball
The Quake version of Well looks so cool. Wish there was a TF2 version
If the Arena maps were converted to KOTH, i believe they would be played much more.
Excellent compilation there, Whomobile!
I hope that eventually you can get into the more zany new maps that have been added along with maps beyond 2010!
I love how threatening 9:12 is. Reminds me of dialogue in the game "receiver"
I get super nostalgic every time I see the arena maps that used to be so common to find a game for. I'll admit it was very frustrating and unforgiving haha. "Skill issue" for sure
2:47 man i passed the Heavy Update how fid i Miss it
"It isn't even on casual map queue"
Arena is good and dopamine inducing. I think the problem as to why it isn't featured in Casual isn't because players hated it at the time, but because it's simply not up to the sheer quality of the other modes.
fun fact: goldrush had 2 verisons for raid mode
1 verison called Raid_teststage with only stage 2 from goldrush that has a boss arena that is connected to a basement made in red teams spawn which has a elevator that leads to the boss arena it also has respawn closets
raid_goldrush a earlier verison when raid was just starting devolpment
I love these map facts so much because sometimes it shows me things i wouldnt notice while fighting
30 minutes of map facts, perfect for a lunchbreak
Can't wait to see more map facts videos
Oh how I missed Map Facts Monday. Glad to see them all here.
So much cool stuff about tf2 that i didn't know, thanks for the video
so, a long
14:50 the symbol the wiki references is the one at the bottom in 4th collumn from left. The one shown in the video looks like scout picking up his ball.
There couldn't have been a Rick may tribute bc he passed in 2020
They probably added it around then.
Quick heads-up: your 2nd channel is very difficult to search for, the only way is through a main channel vid that has the link in the description, or by searching the 2nd channel's @. I'd like to ask you to change its name to something more searchable; it's really frustrating. And thanks for compiling all the shorts, it's extremely helpful and much more accessible now.
yeah both 2mobile and twomobile was already taken :(
This is therapy for me.
yes there was a heavy update
3:40 It`s always bug me is that Red are on the Defensive while Blu is the Attacker.
Because their team company is the completely opposite from each others.
Hydro most nostalgic ❤
Perfect!
Is ravine the map where Shrekaphone was played
it's my sleepover, and i get to choose the movie
i saw you on a lazypurple silly server a few months ago
I love upward. I love you upward
Thanks, dude!
Me and my homies hate shorts!
Does anyone else find the slight irony(?) (for lack of a better word) in turning vertical shorts into longer widescreen videos when most creators I'm aware of are reworking their existing content into shorts or TikToks?
Whomobile is single-handedly saving GenZ's attention spans lol.
On a serious note, I really appreciate the work put into this, especially actually using the original widescreen footage instead of just pillarboxing the uploaded shorts like some other people would've. Keep up the good work 👍 but don't feel pressured like you have to make any specific type of content, just whatever makes you happy.
seeing arena maps makes me nostalgic damn shame they killed arena
8:10 what is a “train tower” exactly?
i’m high asl it’s lit
16:41 How can I find the timelapse video? I'm curious
Shorted my pant
cool
Why does this video have subtitles adding to what you already said but with no further audio?
I didn't read those parts due to short time limits, but when I copied the script over I forgot to take them out, ima fix
I like all of these maps. ❤😊
Please do another pass on the captions, a lot of leftover script and inaccurate subtitles, and uncaptioned bits
Great compilation of shorts; captions are a bit broken though
Should be partly fixed now, there are a few bits missing caps that I'll fill in tomorrow (I have sore fingers)
@@Whomobilethe gnomes have cometh for your limbs
what does the "de-shorted" mean in the title?
These videos started out as youtube shorts
@@Whomobile its confusing you should remove it imo
@@MEGAsporg12 I got it immediately
@@oiytd5wugho maybe you should go outside mire often
@@MEGAsporg12 I think you're trying to troll (badly)
its kinda depressing how formulaic these are when organized like this
I am Pyro. I became real.
11:08 please for the love of god drop the skill issue thing, not funny and and adds nothing but a weird snark
Steel is still such a good map. No other map is like it.
sad that you didn't redo ALL the voiceover with that amazing new mic (this is a joke. great video tho)