Here's how Honda FAILED the VFR800
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Your analysis of the market situation is surly right, however, I think Honda hasn’t done anything wrong. The real issue is, that the world has turned crazy and we call a 110HP road bike “underpowered”. A motorcycle accelerating 0-60 in 3,5 seconds and having a top speed of 150 mph! People are told they need at least 140HP, if they don’t want to be treated as beginners, and the believe it. I had a CB1100XX back than (I ride bikes since over 30 years now) and I sold it after 1 year. Not because I have been scared or couldn’t handle it. I just discovered it’s an overkill. Way more than one would ever need on the road. I purchased a VFR. And it made me happy for 10 long years. What has changed since than? Just one thing: people understood the difference between “plenty” and “too much” a little bit better. If you need a steak, buy a steak, not a whole cow.
So true.I sold my VFR 750 and bought a blackbird cbr1100xx.It was great,but like you said,an overkill.I also found it top heavy,and from a handling point of view,doesn't come close to the VFR.Been looking at the ST1300,the VFR 1200.But I think I am going to find a clean VFR 800.I am 57,also been riding since a kid.The ST1100/or1300,to me is basically goldwing territory. The VFR 1200 is ok,but a bit pricy this side of the globe.Stay safe.Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦.
So, so, so true!!! Respect man. 👏👏👏👍👍👍
Sold my 2005 Vfr and went for zzr1400 which i kept for 5 year. It was a great bike, comfy, powerful etc, but i missed something under those 5 years. So i sold the hyperbike and bought a '00 Vfr and I'm happy with it.
Very well put. You can kill yourself on a 400 easily. Sometimes the choice of a bike is not about how fast it is or what tech it has. Sometimes less is more. Better get out of the competition mindset! Fantastic engineering all the VFR's, unique.
What ? a holy cow
The honda v4 engine is still one of the best running and sounding motorcycle engines ever in my opinion
It's a street bike not a race bike its balanced perfect for road use it has plenty of power for the street honda engineers are very smart and everything they build is in a certain category. In my opinion 200 or 180 hp on public roads is too much power and can be dangerous. You can ride a bike with 100 hp or so harder and more aggressively than you can with a bike that has too much power safely once again I'm talking street legal not closed course racing. Honestly I have just as much fun riding smaller lighter bikes on the twisties or country I have a little cb250 that my aunt bought but never rode every once in a while I'll ride it just to let it run some and it's fun!!!
I ride the 250 wide open everywhere
@firealive1 yeah the older ones are dope
The vfr800 engine is one of the best sounding engines period in my opinion
firealive1 it’s wayyy more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
I DID IT! I got my 2015 in 2019 out of crate, a DLX for $6999 with no regrets because I love the V4, single sided swing arm, LED lighting, Heated Grips, Self Cancelling turn signal, ABS, On/Off TC, Hydraulic Clutch....and my SC Project Conic exhaust.
Cheers!
Oh, I am age 60, 7th bike, 44 years of riding, so it goes fast wnough for me
Lmao. That's awesome. Congrats!!!
Dale Sharpy
Decades ago I had an 86 VFR750... I’m looking for a newer VFR....
Add a OEM quickshifter. You won't regret. It gets the bike more fun to ride.
Cheers
wow congrats delighted!
@@m0rph3u1st It's upshift-only, which is a bummer
1000cc, no VTEC, gear driven cams. That shit would fly off the shelves
Exactly. Honda please listen to us!
1000cc no Vtec, would do the job, not getting price too high
Daniel King How about vfr1200f ?what do you guys think about vfr1200f?
@@TheSpurtman It's got a different type of V4 to the 800 and is very heavy. Currently discontinued in US and EU (the 800 is still available in EU)
Daniel King yeah.. heavy weight is the big minus.. it’s also discontinued here in Finland from 2018 !!
I have the 2014 VFR 800. My buddy has the Kawi 1000 mentioned in the video. I will never beat him in a race, but he never gets to far away. And that’s enough for me to be satisfied with my VFR. I’m also partial to the VTEC uproar ;)
So in love with the vfr800 design, it looks like a sport tourer version of a Ducati Panigale, long live the legend
This is the bike that Honda got wrong....then over engineered the shit out of it to make a point that Honda stands for reliability....
The Kawasaki will only last half as long in Europe as we have rain and salt on our roads...long live the VFR the ultimate classic Honda.
And much more useable everyday than either 🙃
Kayvaan Shrike not that same thing. Not as reliable and it's a V2 that needs valve adjustment every 30k kms. For a daily commuter as myself, it doesn't work. On the other hand, it brings Bosch MSC and electronic controls. I weighed that when I end up buying a VFR, again. My 5th Gen VFR never failed me in 18 years
Pedro dos Reis The VFR valve check interval is every 26,000 km.
Picked up a 2014 Interceptor DLX with 5k miles on it for $5,500 and I love it
Jordan's WRLD different type of bike man. Nobody is really cross shopping those two.
What state?
@The Vengeance of Diana why do you say that??
I am a proud 2018 VFR owner.
I guess the problem is that the sport touring bikes are no longer the choice.
Adventure bikes are the new trend, and any GS1200 or Multistrada are more comfortable than a VFR.
Maybe my VFR will become a rarity in the future.
Nuno Casanova Costa That is slowly changing. I see a lot of people going back to sport touring bikes and desperate they can't buy a VFR... The trend is changing again
Yeah, if you see a pretty new bike in Germany its either some adventure bike or some naked. Classic sportstouring is dead currently. I think there's no justification to invest money in a reengineering of the VFR to get it up to the Level of the Kawa. Propably much cheaper to take the CB1000 and put some fairings and get a better result
andrean _ Sure. If Honda doesn't have VFRs available in Europe is natural that people looking to buy a new bike will follow what's available in the market. What I have seen is friends asking Honda for VFRs and they just say it's not available and they don't know when and if it will be. I thought it was because this year they would release a new model, but looking into the recent releases in Tokyo is all about the RRR and Africa Twin. VFR lays between both. My feeling is that people are missing a comfortable bike for the every day ride, with a sportster scent, but keeping it as a comfortable and not so gas guzzling as a real sport bike. Honestly, I think the 800f lacks a bit of power. For daily commute, usually under the 7k rpm consumption is fine. ABS and the Showa fork were an improvement compared with the earlier models. Also changing the radiators to the center made it better for traffic filtering. It only lacks a little power. 110hp and more torque would be nice to have. Improved electronics it would also be nice. Namely cornering ABS, like the Bosch MSC and a Sport mode taking out the clumsy VTEC. With a base electronic setting, I'm sure the Euro5 emissions could be tackled.
Adventure bike have good sport ability, are generally more comfortable than sport touring bikes, are bit more capable on dirt roads but not suitable for serious off road use.
There urban commuter use is still good due to a high commanding view of the road, however they have a high seat and are hard to Mount/dismount.
I think people are attracted to them for the same reason that they have a preference for SUV it conveys an image of adventure and freedom from the hum drum rat race lifestyle
They are accessible by anyone rather than the narrow focus of racer style that where you can only watch your favoured racer compete on the track or dream of track days where very strong riding skill is crucial to success.
Having said that for most part it is image and fashion that drive adventure bike sales.
Most manufactures are no longer making sport touring bikes.
I still like and ride sport tourers.
People also see adventure bike as better value for money because the increased utility also most adventure bike have a large carry rack.
I have a 5th gen VFR which I still love, but I just picked up a new GS a month ago and haven’t ridden the VFR since.
I put 7000 miles so far on my 2014 VFR800. Classic example of a bike that cannot be judged based by its specs on paper... truly need to ride one to appreciate its legendary character
I always wanted a VFR. Now I have this model and I love it. Mine is red and shine. The sound is amazing. It is not the most powerful on its category but for me it’s Ok. But it’s true that I feel a bit heavy to move/park at home. But it’s very comfy for me. It’s so beautiful...
I have a 2014 VFR DLX, the awesome red color too. I bought it brand new, in crate, in 2016. Love the thing. Carve up turns just as good as anyone on anything else. In my 5 years of owning this bike I have noticed one thing: dudes notice bikes like the ninja 1000, chicks notice the VFR. The VFR just spills sophistication, no matter where it sits. Clean fairings, nice lines, and the paint pops in the sun. It may not have all the gadgets or all the power, but rollin slow gets the best results.
The older vfrs are sooooo much better looking. You cant beat them
I still have my 2001 VFR - last year with the gear-driven cams! It's still great and sounds awesome! I've looked at other bikes, but just not worth spending the money to replace something that I find just about perfect. I will say, the 2021 Aprilia Tuono V4 is tempting, but close to $20K and then there's Italian bike maintenance!!
If the vfr1200 had looked like the vfr800 I think it would have done really well.
VFR1200 looks like CBR125
@@Artanis02sk :) worse
@@MrBoybergs laugh not, my ugly Vfr1200f now has 197 rwhp, hot brakes from standard, handles well, no chain to worry about... but no one liked it except me? I had vf750f, SP2, vtr1000f and finally vfr1200f - by far the best but no one "got it"? go figure??
Anthony Spanjich I found the VFR 1200 to heavy, but It is such a beautiful motorcycle
@@anthonyspanjich2772 I've no doubt it's a truly excellent bike and I'd gladly have one if I had the funds (they're a steal as a used buy). But it seems that the 2 things that resulted in its poor sales were tank range and looks. Dont you agree that the 1200cc engine in a less 'radical' set of clothes would have transformed its appeal.
2014 owner here. We need a VFR1000F with todays suspension and electronics being in the 510lbs range.
When I saw the thumbnail, I was like "Is that a Great Value Panigale?"
Dr. Nope start doing push-ups until I get tired
@@TheInfantry98 no
hahaha, brutal
Dr. Nope - when I like saw your comment like I was like omg like is that like a grown man like who like puts the word like randomly in like sentences like?
@@markfox1545 Ok, goober. 🙃
such a gorgeous bike .. I got to take one out for a 2hour joyride back when new and couldn't find much to complain about ... I however opted to hold on to my cbr ... love your videos, good job
I have a Generation 5. That one is the best ever. Thrilling to ride.
5th gen are the best
Totally agree 👍!
Last of the gear drive.
Keep it! If it wasn't the accident I had with mine, I would be a very happy VFR owner. Best bike I ever had. So good that when I got better and got the latest model I felt it was lacking something. My 137k km engine beated the newest 0km one without blinking and with standard exhaust. Not even with a SC Project on the new VFR is that good, but much better that the stock one. It's not the weight. It's lack of power.
@@m0rph3u1st with you on the 5th gen. still have mine & a 8th gen. the only + to the new one is i got it with 4k on it and full touring kit. if i go out just for a play it's the 5th gen.
I bought one of these brand new in 2015 and sold last year for an MT09. VFR is a Beautiful looking bike , and absolutely loved the engine...BUT...so uncomfortable for a supposed "sports tourer", I added the bar risers, adjusted the seat, changed peg positions, and used a gel pad seat, still felt like I was being tortured after about 100km on straight roads...though if roads were twisty it was great :) quality of the build was second to none though. I did consider the ninja at the time I bought it, but I had always fancied owning a VFR, and it was way better looking than the ninja..IMO. :)
Mint Mint It may be a perception or height. For me it's perfect and I never get any tired of it! I actually find it very comfortable
@@m0rph3u1st you are probably right , at 5'7 I am a bit of a short arse and was tip toes on the VFR with the seat at its highest position , which was the position that gave me the most leg room. also the reach to the bars put me in a pretty sporty riding position. In the 4 yrs I had the 8th Gen VFR , I only ever met one other person with one (live in australia) , and he claimed his was super comfortable....so there you go...hahah. My dream bike is still a V-Four Honda though....the RVF RC45. :)
pal try a crossrunner if u want comfort on loong straight ways ;)
agree 100
In my family we have three bikes in the Sport-Touring class, one VFR 800, one FJR1300 and one BMW R1200RT,. We all agree, the VFR is more Sport than Touring, the BMW is more Touring than Sport, and the FJR sits right in the middle.
An excellent review with great analysis and commentary. You are getting super good at these videos. They are first class/ top quality productions!! Cheers.
A local shop actually ordered a bunch of them from honda they had overstocked a couple years ago and had them listed at $5k. That's why I went from my '04 to a 2014 as a commuter.. Now I'm still left with the dilemma of keeping my '04 or making it like a track bike. Decisions...
Side note, my '04 was WAY more peppy than the '14 and seemed to handle cruising at higher speeds better as well as a higher top end and being more comfortable.
Long story short - long live the V4. Please honda.. give us a proper iteration of the VFR. The sound alone completes me in ways I never knew existed.
Dude I love the VTEC on my VFR idk what everyones tripping about, it’s just the best feeling when it kicks in, i suppose it could use more power but really I have no problem hitting 150.
Its when that VTEC kicks in, in 3rd gear while your dragging a peg.
@@sloantechnologies7068 ? Fun?
On my 8th gen nothing happens when it kicks in, except i get more power if i twist the throttle.
@@sloantechnologies7068 then you are in wrong gear bro, VTEC kicks in at 7500 and redline is at 12k
I generally only ride around the legal speeds anyway so going at 'light speed' isnt really essential to me. Extra grunt to pass on the highway is handy , or when in lower gears on the twisty stuff.
Because if you had a pre vtec one then you know it used to be that fun all the way through without a random lurch. (I have both)
This video got me excited for this riding season with my 3rd gen VFR, just waiting for the weather to get with the program
Checking in again with my 95 at 46k and its still flawless. On group rides i still get people walking up to my bike first and commenting on its heritage. Cant go wrong
I have 8th gen vfr and i bought it because it was cheap after a hefty discount as well as the reliability of Honda using the same damn engine for more than a decade.
It is my commuter/weekend cruiser/toy, all around.
I wanted something i didn’t have to work on whatever the situation was.
I am planning on only doing lubing and oil change in the life of this bike
The bike needs servicing like any other bike unless you sell it before the next major service.
@@leeengelsman6356 Opening up the engine on the VFR before its done AT least 42.000 kms is nothing but a crime, until then oil/filtre and chains. Thats all that engine needs.
Unlikely it will need adjusting at 42.000, but well rather safe than sorry.
This is a very good video, your commentary is excellent.
Jokes aside, i'll always choose Honda over other bikes because it is reliable . Also i'll choose VFR (RC 36) over any other bike, because it has lagacy and im my country all cool bikers are driving them.
So damn true Honda bikes are the best
I completely agree. There are few bikes in the world with that heritage of continuous development
I love how it’s a true Allrounder but still cool and makes you look back and admire it and want to ride it again
“A gentleman’s sports bike” it doesn’t attract the hooligan element and I’ve never met a VFR rider I didn’t get on with or respect
@Kayvaan Shrike Yamaha R1 crossplane crankshafts are notorious for failiure
I have a 97 vfr750 love it and wont sell 👍
@Kayvaan Shrike I'm also not "dissing", lol. I actually love Yamaha's performance, especially when they happen to be the friends of Toyota (arguably the most reliable cars). The that they developed the LFA's engine is remarkable. The crankshaft problem is from all the models when they started to implement the cross plane design, if I'm correct. However If I remember they revised their cross plane crankshafts, & improvised them on the latest models.
Love the vids, and the knowledge 👌
I looked at replacing my Blackbird with a VFR1200 DCT, and it was just missing something that the Blackbird has... a soul.
Funny I was discussing that with a friend. Honda does know how to create a bike with soul. My VFR800 had spirit and soul. Unfortunately it was stolen. I will save for another.
“l like vanilla, it’s the finest of the flavors”
- Bare Naked Ladies, ‘One Week’
I'm the one of the last french who have buy an VFR800/Interceptor. And this is my bike since 2 years now and i love her and i never change my motorcycle for another one.
Great vid once again keep them coming
Brought my VFR800F in 2017. and have loved every single mile. You should get the Intercepter. I have watched your RUclips for years and followed the mods you use on your VFR. Keep up the good work. Your avad fan Drew from Skegness.
Honda doesn’t change their engines they stay with it and perfect it and I respect that
No, they are cheap and lazy and never improve anything. Kawasaki is on the cutting edge.
I missed the outro music!
The VFR is just gorgeous.
Great vlog I really enjoyed.. keep it up bro👍
I had a Vfr 1200f , best bike l ever had . The tank range was never a problem . I could get 180 miles easily . Couple of hrs riding , nice to have a break anyway . The range thing was started by bike journalists who flog them .
Beautiful made , loved mine .
I got a leftover '15 Deluxe in 2019 for $7,000
The VFR1200 engine in the 800 body.
w0rd
I have a 1999 VFR with 76,600 miles and still going strong! I had to get my stator rewound and a new voltage regulator just this year. Hope to get another 75k out of it.
Thanks hero you are an apt and interesting content provider and I appreciate your perspective. My only contention is that any vfr is better than any other motorcycle ever. :) love you!!
Still loving my 5th gen 2001 VFR, even though I think it does need more power. I would consider a supercharger for it but the price tag was around $5000
I had a 2015 Ninja1000 which I found to be too upright and not nearly nimble enough in the curves.
After selling it I wanted to find something closer related to my VTR1000 I settled on a 2014 VFR. It has the bar risers and lowered pegs. The riding position is absolutely perfect! It is so much more flickable in the curve than the Ninja1000 and I can ride all day comfirtably.
My first new street bike was a 1985 Honda 500 Interceptor. Followed by a 1987 Honda 700 Interceptor and then a 1988 Honda 750 Interceptor. All 3 VFR bikes were great with comfort, power, and handling. I fell into the idea I wanted a cruiser style bike comfortable for 2 people(just gotten married)but fun to drive with my buddies and went from one brand to another till a few years ago I picked up a 1998 Honda VFR 800. This bike was everything with comfort handling and power in one. The sound of that engine was heaven to me. The bike fits me well. While it is not a true sports bike it does what I ask of it. After watching the video "History of the VFR" I see I gotten the best or what others considered the best VFR. My buddies are amazed that for a old bike like my VFR I can keep up with them in corners and straights. The bottom line here is that if you have a good product and do not change over time your destine to be kick to the side.
What you said! If Honda came back with the revisions you discussed, i would buy one. my second bike is going to be a sport-tourer and i’m not quite ready to pull the trigger but none out there is quite right. if the time comes i might look for a new leftover 2015 but i would be EXCITED if Honda made the changes you discussed.
Love my 5th gen VFR! (Model year 2000, in yellow). Incredible bike. Great sound, very comfortable, smooth 100 hp power, supple suspension, solid linked brakes, foolproof fuel injection, plenty of room for 2, totally reliable, looks great, etc. etc. Best bike I've ever owned. The only thing I wish it had was ABS brakes. That's it.
Nah, ABS is rarely done correctly on bikes - even today. ;$
Yeah i agree with you, ABS is must for me... If you only need it once, it's enough. So a lot of older, closer to my preference bikes, don't get on my list. Newest bikes turn me off, because of the expensive TFT gauges.
Due to all your awesome vid’s i traded in my 2007 Versys for a 2002 VFR800 today. This title made me lose it for a couple of seconds hahah
Best decision you will ever make. Welcome to the Honda family! My 2002 Vtec bought new, still in the garage. Over 100k miles on it now and its never missed a beat. Best all-rounder I have ever owned. 💕
@@CS_247 Thank you and nice!
I did exactly what you talked about at 1:07 Traded in my '04 for a '14 Base Model. It's a fine bike. No it won't blow your doors off compared to other bikes, but its a great everyday bike IMO. I wish they'd bring back the Magna though.
Good video HeroRR. I bought a 1996 RC36A VFR after watching your video about the history of the Honda VFR. Its a great bike but it doesn't make me feel as good as my old 06 Kawasaki Z750. Please do a video on the VFR 800 fi Anniversary model with the red and silver fairings. It's the most beautiful vfr and possibly the best vfr as well. I hope to get one at some stage.
Excellent video as usual Hero. Having done a similar look through the VFR history and studying each model, the reason the latest VFR failed was simple, Honda had spent obscene amounts of money on the initial VFR models (SSA, Gear driven Cams, bullet proof V4 etc), and they simply had to breakeven. My guess is when they had done so, the VFR took the backseat to the benefit of other model.. innovation stopped and the 'cult' of the VFR came to a halt. Honda tried to correct trajectory with the 1200 but they simply overshot and brought something few wanted.. I just realised they have done the exact same thing they done with the new NSX. Everyone wanted the pure driving experience of the old one but more powerful, instead they brought this space age thing that was far too complicated and no one liked.
Once the 1200 wasn't the success they wanted they didnt want to plow loads of money on the R&D of the newest VFR800, so it became just a styling exercise... and to wry the towel dry, they derived the models into Crosstourers and Crossrunners.
I still do believe Honda will come back to its senses and bring back a worthy successor.
1200 was not success because it came out during the recession. It was an expensive bike and the only people willing to dish out $15 for a ST bike were elderly looking for a more comfy adventure-styles bike. 1200 is an awesome machine despite what the purist VFR guys say.
Never the same after they dropped the gear driven cams.
thats my concern as im considering a vfr.. not sure bout the chain driven cams.. when did they drop the gear driven cams..?? 2001..?
@@dnt5volvo about then . They changed with the model that has the under seat exhausts. Still decent bikes though.
@@dnt5volvo my 2001 plated VFR800 is the last of the gear driven cam models mate. I bought it coz I liked its look and how it was great for city traffic...Im not a tech head so knew nothing about the geared cams or other stuff. I've put on a few kilos since I bought it, but she's still a nice ride!
Thanks for posting, just bought a 98 VFR 800 Fi, Ive been a Kawasaki fan for a while and had a ZZR600, but the sound of the VFR and fell of the power was too much to pass up.
I always wanted a more sporty VFR. I owned the original 1986 VFR750FG & it was THE Honda 750cc sport bike of the time.. since then it just got heavier & more touring oriented. So recently I bought an Aprilia Tuono v4r. It's no VFR but the V4 sounds awesome & it is sporty!
As someone who's sorta in the market for one of these the biggest hang up has to be weight, if they could get it closer to the 200kg mark I'd be running out the door to buy one.
I love my 95 and I will never get rid of it
Your comments are all valid. I love my 8th gen VFR. I had a 98 with the gear-driven cams and it was sweet but the 8th gen cooling is much improved as well as the single muffler. VTEC? Doesn’t bother me. What I love about my VFR is it is absolutely elegant: smooth as glass, great trans and suspension and brakes, nice size tank and it just oozes quality. People go 100,000 miles without adjusting the valves. Change the fluids and filters and ride it knowing it’ll get you there and back every time.
Nice video, bro! I got vfr vtec 2005 and big vfr 1200f. Love them both, they are lovely to ride. And 2008 CBR 600 rr, built for track days. Im a huge Honda fan, but thinking of buying street triple RS. Is in discount price and light
I like how the V4 engine sounds like a baby V8! This is a great bike to get if you like the sound but can't afford something like an Aprilia RSV4
Great points, agree with everything. Also, I know I might be alone on this one here, but I would love to see the Magna comeback. Trash the CTX line and bring back the sport cruisers!...lol
I bought one of these in Spain a 2014, brand new. Thoughts on it..... sounded great , felt wonderful on long trips on Autovia, was reasonably comfortable. However what did for me was the weight shunting it about on my drive, on steeply gradian kerbs and rough surfaces. I felt I was always on the verge of dropping it. I sold it after just four years. Now own a 2014 Street Triple 675R . different type of bike of course but much lighter and far more agile....I was suckered in by the look, had all the bells and whistles( deluxe version) but I'm a happier Bunny now..
I have a 2012 vfr1200f blue. WOW what a bike!! Tuned to 190hp! And 100tq! This bike is an animal.
This made me want the VFR. With the red fairing, gold wheels and Led headlight, it's a very good looking bike, not to mention Honda build quality. I don't care if it doesn't make the power of the Kawi.
Gerald G totally agree mate
It's a great bike...fit and finish 👍... just the right amt of power ...peeps bitchin about the weight...it's the weight that keeps it rock steady at 200km/hr.
I had other bikes that would get blown all over the goddamn place at that speed because they were too light.
I couldn’t agree with you more! If Honda did each & everything you mentioned, they’d have an instant hit! Such a great bike, but needs a little more displacement & power to get back in contention nowadays.
You are absolutely right. I had both of them and your assessment is spot on. Shame that VFR800 is lacking power as it could have been a great bike.
It's too bad, because that V4 engine and SSA are amazing.
Good day, I agree with you 100%. I love the sound and looks of the honda but decided to buy the Z1000sx instead for all the reasons you mentioned. Thia is also the reason why the z1000sx is also a very popular in UK.
I want honda to just drop[ one off at my place. xD
I love my 6th gen VFR. I don't see myself upgrading until it stops riding. And I happen to like the VTEC.
Always wanted to buy the interceptor but the prices in my area are still at 9k.
Everything you mentioned I agree with when it comes to the VFR800, but I also so think they should bring back a standard updated 1000cc cruiser to compete against the new BMW cruiser, and not that ( Fury/Interstate ).. they need to bring back the valkyrie f6c, (updated of course) a muscle cruiser to compete against the Triumph Rocket, a new VFR1200 wouldn't hur either!!...lol. Stay safe my brother!💯
Great Video. I thought the same thing a few years back when I wanted a VFR or Ninja?
Don't do a damn thing, Honda, just keep that price down! I would have the Honda over the Kwak anyday, it looks better, sounds better, rides better, and it is a HONDA. It would look lovely standing next to my 2002 vtec.
Anton Spilhaus exactly !
nothing wrong with Kawasakis. They’re the oldest bike maker in Japan. Plenty of their bikes have been winners, for those of us who don’t like bland, boring, soulless motorbikes (cough Honda cough).
@@dotdashdotdash honda bland boring and soulless ah. Fireblade. Rc30. Stay no more.
@@dotdashdotdash I once took a GPz900 for a test ride....talk about fast! I ended up with an FJ1100 at the time purely based on comfort. I was sure my license would go within a week of owning that Kwaka if I bought one! That was back in the days when the GPz was owning every track it ran on! Ive now owned my VFR800 for almost 20yrs! so its safe to say I like it.
Lucky enough to own both at the present time. Picked up a VFR with 628 miles on her October of 2019. Bought the Ninja in 2013 a used 2012 4k miles. The two feel totally different. I now have 61K on the Ninja [Arizona...] and 3500 on the VFR. They are both comfortable, the ninja more by a bit of course but the VFR is still real nice. Yes the Ninja eats its lunch in the power department [Ivan's ECU flash etc] but there is a refinement about the VFR the Ninja doesnt have and a fit and finish that is hard to beat. It really is a beautiful bike i think because the focus was different for the VFR. I often hear it call the "Gentlemen's Express"
They really only have the sport tourer designation in common, other than that they are not similar to me.
Nice video! I love my 01 VFR800! Great at the track or on the highway!
I own (and love) a 2014 white Honda deluxe model so I was ready to make an angry capslock comment. But I liked the video, well explained. I love the looks of the bike. Feels comfortable (I have the bar risers). The VTEC system is addicting and smoother than previously models (before this I owned an 2009 VFR 800 so I would know). Also really enjoy the heated grips .What I find silly is the smaller size of the cases and the lack of a undertail exhaust. I have an Akrapovic exhaust on mine though. What hurts the most to me is the lack of power. It could've really uses an + 20 hp. But still, on public roads, it's fast enough. Wouldn't sell it for anything else right now.
1 thing I think is bring back the under tail exhaust especially with a single sided swing arm. You want to show that shit off lol
I firmly believe that the hot parts (exhaust) should be far away from the tender parts.
I would buy one with gear driven cams just for the sound.
Hi there, Hero!
You pretty much hit the nail in the head with your review. I think there is room for two VFR, a 750/800cc and a 1000/1200cc, as long as Honda manages to impart more technology and power to the bike while shedding some (a lot...) of weight. No VTec, please, and bring back the gear driven cams.
Smart suspensions, drive modes, cornering ABS, connectivity technology, cruise control, heated grips... If it was designed to compete against the BMW, those things were/are a must. Honda let the ball drop, for sure.
Anyway, thanks for another great video!
I got a new 2014 deluxe in 2018 and over 16 months put 46K miles on it. Last week I ran into an identical 2014 deluxe with 1200 miles on it an picked it up as well. For the amount I paid for each of them, you can't beat it. I don't mind the slightly more aggressive seating position. Things I like are the nice planted ride, ABS, heated grips and the center stand. Be safe out there.
Wow never even new about the ninja lol love viffers though and I really loved history of vfr now if only I could find some new damn fairing for my rc26
Missing in this discussion is the VFR1200F and why they went to a 170hp bike and then went BACK to an 800.
Hey Andy, yeah the 1200 was just so much bike. It started competing against the Kawi Concours 14 (which also was a better bike on paper). Honda almost had it right but screwed up once again. To be honest i'd love to see a revival of the blackbird! :)
I wish honda would make a naked with the vfr1200f engine!
Andy Bettencourt the 1200 was a completely different bike. The “current” 800 platform never left production. In the US it wasn’t around after 2009 but elsewhere it stayed in the adventure model.
The one in this video is an updated 09+ VFR. Almost identical engine and frame.
The 1200 was not what the market wanted or could afford anymore in those years, so the 800 was brought back since the 800 had been loved.
They just didn’t update it enough or change it enough for people to care.
@@TheMachRider I guess the point is that this is a US-market-centric video. Is it not possible that the 1200 went after the very Ninja 1000 that was eating it's lunch?
interesting, i have an 02 VTEC VFR, looking at changing to a newer bike, im 54, so also something more comfortable, i have a bad back, and i have just recently test rode the 2020 ninja 1000sx, loved it! but im slaso interested in trying the new BMW f900xr, and s1000xr.
I love the new VFR and almost bought one. I ended up buying a 2016 Suzuki GSX s1000f. It has about twice thing horsepower and is more comfortable for my 6 foot 1 inch frame. I do think the VFR is better-looking though, and I love the V4 engine. This Suzuki is awesome too, just a snatchy throttle that I'm working on fixing.
Honda needs a larger 1000cc version with more aggressive styling and more room!
The 2002 redesign was pretty cool.....just not enough power!
Enough power for straitline speed.
Honda could try to make the bike lighter, wet-weight should be ~450 lbs.
Use good tyres and learn to ride, take a track course.
I felt that the new VFR is like a hit or miss for Honda
Not denying it’s a good bike tho but it lost its appeal
I have a 015 vfr Deluxe love the vtec people always ask me about it. It does everything super well price hurt it .Insurance with a 800 is much cheaper than a 1000 I enjoy riding the vfr excellent bike
Have 2015 VFR deluxe love it. Poor mans Ducati. Put the Delkevic exhaust on but just the single pipe like your bike. The Vtec took some getting use to but..... If I stay under it engaging I average 50+ mpg. My buddies Yamaha NT-10 30 mpg. The insurance is pretty cheap to.
Gregory Stapel poor mans Ducati😂 sure does look nice thinking of getting into motorcycles and hopefully if there’s still a brand new VFR800 for like $6k I might get one
its because sports tourers are replaced by adv tourersd. The market has moved on, its not the bikes fault or hondas fault at all
@@gregorystapel5529 Exactly...50 mpg, yeah buddy!
Can you make a video on why Honda doesn't update their CBR600RR?
I clicked instantly as soon as i saw the video,love these types of videos,stay safe everyone
600s Stopped selling like crazy after the financial crisis (-90% in the UK). They would need a big redesign to pass pollution regulations (gixxer 600 is dead too). The class became so competitive, they are just as expensive to build as 1000s already, so 1000s have all the cutting edge tech now and people intrested in buying such a bike get a 1000.
Google "death of 600 sportbikes" or something like that. There's many articles explaining it better.
@@nogroup5861 i see but theirs a sort of revival in the 650cc segment isn't there
Hey guys I wanted to get some opinions on what motorcycle I should get,, I've been riding my 2018 cbr300r for 1 year and put 6000 miles on it and now I've found a 2006 zx10r and a 2007 zx6r for the same price and would like to know if I should just get a 600cc or get the 1000cc
Because we all love the early vfrs this dont have the gear driven cams
The reason I chose Honda over others is just the sheer professionalism of execution, there’s something a little flimsy with lack of attention to detail about the other bikes esp Suzuki and Yamaha and even BMW at times
Never ridden a Kawasaki so can’t comment there
I’m currently considering replacing my 2008 VFR with a new one
I don’t know what the issue people have with VTEC - for me it’s a definite plus as the change in character and exhaust note is fantastic to experience and one grows to love it
No other bike has that which is a great USP for the VFR - why be a sheep like everyone else and give up such an awesome feature
I went from Honda CBR500R, to Honda CBR650F, to Suzuki GSX-S1000F recently. I know you would expect the Suzuki to be the most well equipped, but it really is a bargain for what you pay. The gearbox blows away both of the hondas, the horn button isn't in a ridiculous position, and the stock exhaust is actually good. Based on my experiences, I can't really say Honda wins on fit and finish/details. From what I've heard the traction control on even the new CBR650R isn't that good, but so far I really like the Suzuki's 3 stage traction control. Suzuki is a better value since Honda is priced comparatively high for the performance you get.. Though full disclosure, my Honda models were used and the Suzuki new (new old stock).
Hi! Love your videos. What’s with the VFR1200F with or without DCT.
Hello.
Can anyone let me know where i can fine a VFR-800 2012 or 2013. you mentioned some dealers still have them new
Poor ol' Honda......they deserve a better following for their VFR.
As much as I like my Ninja1K, I wish I had gotten something with an interesting engine sound instead. The inline 4 is quit boring to me. I'd rather have a twin, triple, or V4 instead just to keep my ears entertained.
...Also, I feel (not scientific I know) that Honda makes more reliable and higher quality bikes in general, than some of the competition.
@@njohnson3331 Agreed! That’s for sure. GoldwingMikeNY!
Great vídeo love VFR style with Pro Arm
@HeroRR I love the VFR800 mainly for the sound and reliability. I´ve got 5th gen (...done some major custom modifications on it) 😁
I have a 2001 VFR and I think it's the best all-around sport tourer ever built. I think these 2015s recapture a lot of what's great about the VFR, so it's a shame if it failed because of the Ninja. I wouldn't trade a few lbs or HP for overall feel and looks.
Ryan D Keep it! I had a 2001 5th Gen and comparing with the latest model, it's much more of a bike.
Unfortunately, I couldn't keep her. Had an accident and it was very expensive to rebuild her. Also a lot of parts weren't unavailable 😔 truly missed
Being everyone is going retro Honda should bring back the 4th generation. Simply the best looking sport type bike ever designed. Imho
Had a 94vfr started getting some miles on it don't have alot of time to tear down and rebuild so I sold it and bought a 2008 vfr800 vtec it's a good bike but I really like and miss the old 94
Might sell 2008 and get a older vfr750
Only appeals to some fans and would never ever be making Honda any money.
For those that like the 4th, just get one. I did 2 months ago. There are plenty and they are cheap.
Sergio Casino Camaro, Challenger, & Mustang would laugh at this. Mustang came back with a vengeance due much in part to the styling work of one of the most successful designers of the 60s-70s.
I have a 5th gen, but i think that the best looking VFR is the 3rd gen, then 4, 1and 2, and 5. 6th gen Is uggly. IMHO.
Good vid - thanks for sharing 👍
Huge fan of the VFR here!
Had a 2011 6th gen and now a 2018 rc93... the 8th gen its an improvement of the 6th. Better handling, better brakes, better fueling, less weight. 110hp its more then enough for a sport touring bike... never had a problem touring with pillion and lugage.
They are still selling in Europe, but maybe its the last year, with the euro5 emessions regulation...
Btw the only in us they sell a Standard and a dlx... rest of the world only gets de dlx
Cheers ✌
V4 Rider Not anymore. Two friends tried to buy one in Portugal and they talked to the importer and the answer was that the bike is not available anywhere in Europe, despite is still showing at Honda's website. I bought mine last year and waited a whole month without knowing which color it would be. Got the gray one. Did the same changes you did: quickshifter and SC Project exhaust, but it still lacks engine comparing with the 5th Gen I rode for 18 years and with 137k km on it
@@m0rph3u1st didn't know about that! Maybe they are selling only the leftovers... the engine from the new vfr its the same of the old, with some parts changed for better, dont believe its slower..
Abraço ✌
I read they stopped production for the US because of new noise regulations. Besides, it's not millennial friendly because it doesn't run on an app or come with mustache wax.
J M 😂 right on!
You sound so idiotic
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Ok Boomer, you sound ignorant, millenial customers actually read and dont just buy Harley's because they have a "sweet flamed paint job"
Millenials know about the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation VFRs and their gear driven cams, lack of garbage Vtec.
No, Millennials are craving a new VFR, make it 1000, NO fucking Vtec, bring back the Gear driven camshafts, set it up on some CBR style adjustable inverted forks and rear shock. Obviously fuel injection with easily adjustable fuel trims.
Keep the single sided swing arm, let it compete against the CBR, make it a V4 race bike NOT a touring bike, please !!!
Sport tour's dont even want the VFR RACERS DO, we all want a V4 made by Honda with gear driven cams, we want an endurance race bike Honda !!!!
@@gabri12ful typical boomer, what do you expect? such a moronic comment he wrote...
I thought the VFR was a pretty cool bike especially when it first came out
Hopefully Honda makes another sport touring bike better than the VFR
They did, it was the Blackbird.
LOVED my 94. I took it all over the midwest and up into Canada with absolutely zero issues. Just chain maint. Wish I would've kept it. It was stolen and they thrashed it. Super hard to find fairings for those bikes anymore. Even did a couple track days on it. My GS has a ton more power and tech but I miss the sound of those cams....
My man my 92 VFR was stolen on my birthday and I'm gutted it was my favorite all rounder in my collection what other years do u recommend