Daytona USA - The Ports
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Sega's Model 2 board heralded some of the most popular arcade games of the nineties. The first game, Daytona USA, still stands as an incredible technical achievement and proved to be one of Sega's most demanding games to port onto home consoles. In this video we're having a look at the original arcade release of Daytona USA, and Sega's attempts to bring this extraordinary game into our homes.
-------------------------------
Hello gamers! I’m Seb and welcome to my channel, Gamer’s Garden. I want to explore the stories behind often overlooked games, talented developers from years gone by and some series that are personal favourites of mine. I’m a keen collector with a focus on the 90’s and particularly, the 5th gen.
Where possible, all footage is captured from my own consoles rather than emulators. As a PAL gamer, most gameplay is captured at 25fps and all game facts should be correct to their PAL release history. Please like and subscribe to keep up with the latest content and message me on twitter if you want to get in contact. Enjoy my channel and happy gaming!
/ thegamersgarden
What's your favourite port of Daytona USA? Did you get the Saturn port on release? If so, did it pale in comparison to Ridge Racer for you?
i like daytona more than ridge because im not used to drifting
I grew up with Daytona USA since a young teen and was sad when the local DnB that i used to work for dismantled eight Deluxe motion cabinets to make way for the new version. I spent tons of hours on the original Saturn. I loved all the different vehicles and horses you could use. Enjoyed your video. Thanks!
Gamers' Garden saturn was terrible
Sonic Ace 24 you drift in daytona to or are you driving miss daisy haha
When Daytona USA was new, I used to spend hours in the arcade playing it. Back then, I wasn't aware of the existence of Ridge Racer, because I only had an Amiga 500 for gaming. Soon, I switched to PC, and in July 1995 I read for the first time a rumor about a PC port of Daytona USA. I spent over a year waiting for it, and asked it as a Christmas present in 1996. When I installed it and saw it run for the first time, I was like... "What is this thig? This is not the game I love! The colors are wrong, the music is lower quality, there's almost nothing on screen and everything is so jerky!" Man, was I disappointed.
That's the only port of Daytona I played until 2001, when... no, I didn't get Daytona USA 2001 for Dreamcast, because I never had a Dreamcast. In 2001, I got Daytona USA Deluxe , the PC port of Daytona USA Championship Edition. So the colors still did not match the arcade version, but (especially with the Direct3D patch) it was SO much smoother than the regular Daytona PC port. In 2004 I even started playing it in stereoscopy, with the nVidia stereo 3D drivers and the eDimensional shutterglasses.
In early 2008, I convinced the author of nullDC to write a video plugin that supported stereoscopy according to the nVidia guidelines, and you know what that meant... Daytona USA 2001 in stereoscopy! From that moment, Daytona USA 2001 was my favorite port. I still play it often, in HD and stereoscopy on my HMZ-T1 head-mounted display. I also love Daytona Championship USA, even though I only know it because Sega leaked it last Christmas.
Great video, only just discovered it... many thanks. I had a lot of fun with Daytona USA 2001 | glad to see that its probably the best way to play it outside the arcade
Thanks man :) I'm trying to make some more videos like this but struggling to get Model 1/2 emulators working!
The first Saturn port is for my money the most fun (well until the ps3/360 version)
CE had awful controls and horrible music. The DC version controlled poorly and the colours didn’t look right, so it didn’t feel like Daytona.
Great video too, I’ll have to get to Croydon to visit that arcade !
Thanks and definitely check out the Heart of Gaming! I think I'm really in the minority when it comes to Daytona USA 2001. Overall I love it but appreciate why most people don't!
The Xbox360 port is perfect. I will continue to play Daytona USA on my Xbox Series X too ! Backwards Compatibility is awesome for us old gamers.
I was born in 2000, but I still remember this Arcade Daytona USA. I Playing in Timezone Game Center.
Greetings from Indonesia🇮🇩, Southeast Asian. Very Nostalgic Arcade Game 90s.
I played the arcade a few times back when it came out. But played it a lot on the Saturn. I know people bashed that version, but at the time was the only home port so couldn't compare it. Decent enough for me to enjoy. Also, it had the better version soundtrack over the arcade. Years later, I played and completed the PS3 version. No other words to describe than a perfect port. Now, I have the original arcade version on my model 2 emulator with a wheel/pedal/shifter setup reliving the good 'ol days!
Im restoring this arcade so many pcb boards.
When I first saw this arcade perfect port come to the PS3 I about shit my pants lol I play it every day CUZ ITS THE STRAIGHT UP SEGA MODEL 2 ARCADE ORIGINAL!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😍😍
How the hell does this only have 1000 views? Great production quality and very informative, I look forward to seeing more videos from you
I want the 360/ps3 version for my Switch soooooooo bad!
use an emulator
@@federicopatria4287 not everyone wants to hack the consoles
despite, it's been 3 years
@@federicopatria4287 the switch isn’t near capable to emulating the 360 or ps3
Great video. I might sound snobby, however, the Saturn wasn’t technically inferior to the PS1. There’s a number of reasons why PS1 games are better, however, hardware isn’t one of them.
For processing 3D polygons the PSX was way ahead of the Saturn. For 2D sprites etc the Saturn was way ahead of PSX.
Secondarily the Saturn was a nightmare to program for which the PSX was really nice for.
As usual the general masses hype totally outweighs the real facts of the matter
See what I always thought and I know I’m right lol is that Daytona 2001s graphics look a hell a lot like segas model 3 arcade board graphics lol like almost identical, so could this have been showing us long before VF3 came to the DC that sega model 3 could have been done arcade perfectly on the DC?
It’s the greatest arcade of all time
I liked the Dreamcast version a better (but I didn't play the arcade version very often before that, so I didn't have any expectations on the handling), but the 360 port was fantastic as well. Especially, when using a steering wheel. I really hoped that these ports would kickstart a series of arcade ports, but unfortunately, Sega stopped after just five games. If I didn't miss any, Daytona, VF2, Fighting Vipers, Sonic the Fighters and Virtual-On are the ones I remember.
Totally agreed, it would be fantastic to get a full set of modern ports of this quality! Sadly, just can't see it happening.
There's a third daytona usa on the sega saturn called "daytona circuit edition" (without the "championship"). This is basically the champion circuit edition with improved controls. The controls are like in the first game. This game is very rare and hard to find.
Thanks for the reminder about tuning the sensitivity on the Dreamcast version. I had been playing after some years and couldn't figure out the setting to make the game actually playable.
The default controls are horrific!
Loved it but please finish your Sega Saturn Magazine retrospective!
I miss sega's arcade ports on game consoles, looking at the new cabinets like for Initial D: Zero and Wangan Night club, I just want play those on a console or pc already without an emulator.
If anyone is around the Worcester, England area check out Retroids they have a restored twin cab up and running only change they did was swap out the CRT's for LCD's as both CRT's had died.
I still play the Daytona USA Xbox360 version on my Xbox One X via backwards compatibility.
if they got the DC ports car shape right.. hard edged the tyres... removed the car reflections it wouldve been killa..
Subscribed. I must say the Japanese Circuit Edition is much better than the pretty awful CCE in Europe and the US.
Thanks for the sub :) Yes I've read along those lines too, but I haven't been sure exactly what version to get because their was a netlink one as well I think? Is it just called Circuit Edition (the exact one you recommend)?
@@GamersGardenRetro Yes it is just the Circuit Edition. It is great to play in link cable mode too. It has better handling and the original music as an option.
We actually have a theme park where I live where they have 8 Daytona units still linked up.
I've always thought it could be so cool to gather a group to actually have a real match against 7 others but I don't even think I have 7 IRL friends so it's more of a pipe dream xD
We used to have the Saturn version running at the arcade I was working at some years back and I would always make it a point to unlock the horse for play before we opened.
It was one of the 2 only games I originally got for my Saturn in the day along with Virtua Cop 2 + the gun. Good times.
I'm also pretty sure I recently saw a Daytona arcade at the amusement park.. I mean. It had the title "Daytona USA" but it was clearly a much never version with modern graphics. I'm not exactly sure when that was released.
Virtua cop 1&2 on the Saturn are amazing ports of the arcade games. I want to make my setup so that I can play the scart signal on a CRT whilst still sending it to my capture card. Once I can I’ll do a proper video on those games so I can capture real gameplay using the guns.
For that last paragraph, are you talking about Daytona USA 2 or Daytona Championship USA?
I don’t own any modern consoles (except a Switch - BTW, the Virtua Racing port is perfect!). I had a Dreamcast but that port never appealed to me. Until the “recent” PS and Xbox releases, I’d argue strongly that the first attempt on the Saturn was the best overall, despite graphical issues.
Remember, only a year earlier at home - we were stuck with mostly awful 2d software scaled racers on the Genesis (although I had Virtua Racing, it cost $90, which even today is insanely expensive). Or perhaps flat plane scaled racers on the SNES. Neither are even close to Daytona.
The Saturn port was definitely not perfect - but it was a *huge* leap over what came home before. And realistically, a $400 home console was never going to match a $20k arcade board in power.
It’s too bad SOJ shot themselves in the foot and rushed the port though. Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally and Virtua Cop 1/2 proved the Saturn could do “good” ports of Model 2 games. But it is what it is.
I agree with your assessment that the rushed version we got hurt the Saturn immensely compared the PS1 though, even if a lot of the narrative wasn’t really true. And honestly, Ridge Racer wasn’t a very good game anyway ; other than the PS1 port it never would have been compared directly to Daytona.
I did have the fortune of playing once at an arcade that had 8 full sized cabinets linked up. It was glorious, if only a fleeting memory.
The dream cast version was a good port. All the tracks from the previous game. The graphics were new. But not as bad as the new one. It needs a steering wheel.
Agreed, great with the steering wheel!
Fully playable on the pc in 4k with xbox 360 controller or stirring wheel
wut emulator did you use?
Great video, and big up the Cronx - so glad the Heart of Gaming is keeping the arcade experience going.
I agree with your sentiments for the most part, and do enjoy the Dreamcast port a lot even if it does feel "wrong". Have you tried that with a wheel? I haven't but have heard it improves the handling somewhat. I also understand that the Japanese release of Circuit Edition on the Saturn has much better handling than the Western releases (and also restores the original soundtrack as an option).
Thanks and yes, I have a Dreamcast wheel and it's pretty good for Daytona 2001. I've also got the Saturn wheel but it feels kind of floaty so didn't get on too well. I might do a follow up video comparing the international releases of the Saturn game. I haven't played them as I only own the PAL release - a better handling version of Circuit Edition sounds pretty good though!
daytona usa saturn like be arcade sm2 smooth graphics?copy the source code of daytona usa champonish circuit edition in daytona usa saturn
400 subscribers and almost 10000 views. WTF.
Nice video. Can you do more videos about the arcade and arcade history? You got a great narration voice.
Where is that arcade... Where is that godamm retro arcade so I can play all my fav old games lol.
AMAZING VIDEO, thanks for that, saw four of the classic ones on sandown pier arcade yesterday. two had lcd screens and one was glitching textures. watched it for a minute, enjoyable, didnt play it though, would have done now.
Wow a four player setup still around! It's difficult to find them now but back in the day you didn't have to look too hard for the full eight player setup, great fun with a bunch of mates. Have a go next time you see it!
You know, of all the things I've heard about CCE being the superior Saturn version, I don't remember any mention that it was a completely different engine altogether. I also had no idea the Xbox 360 /PS3 port was that faithful to the arcade. I'm really going to have to check that one out.
That's great, you'll really enjoy the 360/PS3 port!
@@GamersGardenRetro I spent this morning working though the Xbox 360 version on my Xbox One and Holy crap you were right. I had overlooked this when it first came out. Thanks for helping me find it!
@@robbievgb I'm glad you played it! Are there any improvements at all playing it on the Xbox One over the 360?
@@GamersGardenRetro I'm not really sure. I can say that it's a solid port and runs beautifully on the Xbox One. You'd think it was an Xbox One Game! I'll have to download it to my 360 and try it there as well.
Call me crazy, but i think i may like the way the Saturn version looks BETTER than the OG arcade version. I know it's inferior in every way shape or form, but i just *adore* how those pixely textures, low poly models and super heavy aliasing look together. Maybe it's because i was born in 1998 and thus never experienced when this game was considered the cutting edge, but the Saturn has an overwhelming charm that resonates with me a lot for some reason.
Oh also nice vid, as always
Imagine if the Saturn release had just hit a solid 30fs like Ridge Racer, history could've been pretty different. I think you're right that everything was in place for a great port, but I also think the frame rate is just too low. Sega just aimed to high in bringing such an advanced game home, but there's no doubt that had the frame rate been higher the game would've been received far more positively.
GeccoHane delusion is a mental illness
You're definitely crazy
I agree
I always liked the first Saturn port, because you could practice to get good at the arcade
ROOORRRING STAAAAAAART
This video was put together very well, needs more views.
Which country was this recorded? If it’s the US, where exactly in that?
United Kingdom 🇬🇧
Great video but you forgot Daytona USA 2
subbed, great vid, agreed mostly with everything you said. Daytona is my fave racing game of all time. Used to drool over this at the arcade. couldnt always afford to play it, as I was just a young kid. But Id sit and stare at those fluid polys. was a techies dream. Saturn version, looked like a pile of shit, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it. I relied on Emulators and steering wheels to get my fix many years down the line.
What a great quality video!! I was wondering about what you think about emulation. I have a fairly setup for arcade racing games with the Nebula or (Sega Model 2 Emulator) with a mid quality steering wheel and pedals. This is the closest I can get for a "daytona arcade experience at home".
Also, you got a new sub! Keep the good work!
Have you died?
Those arcade monitors are what give Daytona USA it's graphical sparkle. Nothing to this day compares. Sega needs to bring back a 1994 revolution.
Late reply but I don't think a lot of people realize that CRTs are actually great picture wise. Their just not as convenient packaging wise as newer tech TVs LCD/LED etc.
I was just at the Heart of Gaming°
I got daytona usa on my xbox 360
The PS3 version is the only one worth playing in 2019. It's a delight. It's accurate, looks good in HD, has online head to head and force feedback that works out the box with plug in and play. The second best is the model 2 PC emulator which is ok but still glitchy and has an aweful user interface and very average force feedback effects.
The PS3 is the best machine for driving games period.
No Model 2 game ran at 60fps, they ran at 57fps. This is so commonly repeated and is it wrong.
The first port you've wrongly called not successful, was infact very successful and very highly regarded by all that reviewed it. You are correct it was a rushed mess to look at, but you're absolutely incorrect that it was a failure. Shame they didn't spend another 12 months on it, if they did it would've been the port we should've got but really never did.
Ridge Racer on PS1 wasn't even close to arcade perfect, it ran at half the frame rate, and well under half the resolution. It may be fairly polished, but it is a massive step away from the near arcade perfect port it often gets called. Very short and very basic game, it could've been done on the 32x minus the textures and played just as well. Daytona USA smoked Ridge Racer, in the arcades and at home. I like Ridge Racer, but it is a play 5 times and never again for 2-3 years game, no way you could spend a full day on it now.
Daytona 2001 wasn't Daytona, any more than Daytona Championship Circuit Edition was. And what is with those gumby wheels sticking 4 feet out the sides of the car???
What a great review. Subbed
Fun video, but there are some inaccuracies. System16.com doesn't list texture filtering as a Model 2 feature, and I've never seen it. Dithering would be much less pronounced if filtering was available. Second, Pop up in Daytona Arcade seems to be barely remembered at all for such a "popular" title.
ruclips.net/video/Fo-KGzvq3YU/видео.html
Such an underrated comment, played this game in arcades as a young child before they were removed, and the Xbox One gameplay is amazing. Can't wait to set up a wheel with it, and I'll surely watch more of your content
Great retrospective! I was happy to hear you briefly mention how the Saturn's music of Daytona was improved. I've always felt this was the best version of the soundtrack between the arcade, Saturn, and Dreamcast. I'm not sure if it was simply remastered or re-recorded, but the Saturn's vocals are cleaner and more refined. For me, half the enjoyment of Daytona comes from the amazingly memorable soundtrack. While I also love the arcade soundtrack, the Saturn takes the top spot. I have the Saturn CD tracks ripped in lossless audio, and still to this day, I will play "Sky High" when I need a pick-me-up. While I'm very pleased with the Xbox 360/PS3 port, I only wish they would've added in an option to be able to use the OST from the Saturn version as a companion to the arcade original.
you actually forgot a version. japan got championship circuit edition a bit later and instead got a version titled just “circuit edition” which had an even farther draw distance, the original soundtrack as an option, and a new drift system which made it more similar to the original version.
and tha 360 port got recently 100% delisted for good sadly, glad i got it a year before it was announced it would be delisted
There was nothing like seeing Model 2 games in the 1990s. Kids these days will never understand the leap that we witnessed.
I love Advance track, so many things you can hit
IMHO the game is best with the 'only road' cameraview.
can you even buy the ps3 and xbox 360 version these days on ps5 and xbox series?
WE’RE FINALLY GETTING A HOME PORT OF DAYTONA USA 2!
11:22 we can only wish
Why can’t the emulators get the same smoothness and speed?
want a nintendo switch port by m2
Is this N64 Glenn Plant? Lol jk
Honestly, I actually loved most ports of Daytona (except the X360 since I sadly was unable to ever play it, and haven't played CCE/CE on Saturn): The first Saturn port was pretty great for me and didn't mind the graphics (though I did know the hit it had, but I still mostly ignored it) and was loads of fun for me. Daytona USA Deluxe was also another game where I really spent a lot of time, and the Dreamcast version actually felt pretty good, with handling adjustments, a nice "alternative" coat of paint and extra tracks but keeping the actual arcade driving.
Ooo snap! Gonna hafta get me a copy for ps3
DAYTONA USA Z
I've seen alot of retro channels but yours is the best bar far! Keep making videos!
Very nice of you to say :) thank you
Sony DRAMA subaru
would you do a video on ridge racer :)
That's on my list, but I'm slow in getting around to it!
@@GamersGardenRetro haha no worries!! thank you for responding ;o;
The reflection in the Saturn port is great.
Ryuma King bizarre ain't it! I'm assuming it's just a flat texture that's not really perspective corrected at all. Looks very Saturn!