bro i just started watching your videos i dont know why nut your editing is causing audible pops like all through your videos and its so annoying i have killer gear for recording and regular speakers as well and ive tried both its soooo annoying please check it out i like the videos but the audible pops are crazy distracting and not great for speakers i dont knw if its how your cutting and pasting or what but id look into it
Well, your phone is constantly spying on you and has really big ears (often listening from the other room) but where Guns is concerned, it’s just your run of the mill divine intervention.
In Slash’s autobiography, Axl went through every patch on every synthesizer and workstation for November Rain. The choir section is actually artificial but in weird way sounds organic 😊
Without Axl none of this myth could have happened; in his own words (speaking to the monkey): "You wrote things (on that autobiography) that never even happened". He was found dead on an elevator tho'. that's the reason why Axl made them sign the band's name off for him. They were behaving like a piece of shit. We all have proof that without the Mightiest Tiger they were a fucking random grungy hard rock average garage band with their parody name and those shitty records they did... while the Rose of Rock recorded Chinese Democracy leaving a priceless jewel in the history of Rock.
@@CaaPoraSpirit I prefer Izzy's writing, it's more subtle: Mr. Brownstone, Patience, Dust N Bones, You aint the first.... Oh by the way, GnR wouldn't be anything without Slash's guitar work. I love Axl too, but you can't deny Slash's contribution. And finally, Slash is no monkey - you should speak with respect.
For songs like 'November Rain' and 'Don't Cry' and 'Estranged' - these big, sort of epic pieces - me and Axl sat, I believe over there on the floor [points], we ordered some Russian caviar, we had a bottle of vodka... and we listened to 'Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me' by Elton John," the drummer continued. Upon hearing the tom fill in the John song, Rose said to Sorum, "I want you to do that, or something like that, on 'November Rain.'" The catch was, the singer wanted this "signature drum fill" to also appear on "Don't Cry" and "Estranged." "I said, 'You want me to use the same drum fill?'" Sorum continued. "He said, 'Yes.' So I did the most famous fill that drummers give me shit for all the time, it's called the 'Pat Boone-Debby Boone.'"
Izzy was the most important key person for their songs, sounds and grooves. Like Keith Richards on Rolling Stones. After his leaving, sound of GNR changed apparently.
With the UYI albums, G'n'R zigged when they should have zagged. The rawness of "Appetite" fit right in with what the newer grunge bands were doing. G'n'R was one of the few 1980s bands that could have continued into the 1990s with credibility, because they didn't need to change what they were doing. What they did instead was drop a bloated, pretentious and over-produced double album that was just the sort of thing 1990s music was rebelling against. Or I should say that's what Axl did.
Great video. Two of the greatest albums ever made. Everything at this time was so awesome, from the music to the controversy with the tour. A true rock n' roll band back on top of the world. Saw them in 91 with Skid Row before Use Your Illusion released. They played a lot of songs from it, and I couldn't wait for the records to hear them again. Went to a midnight launch at Wherehouse Music and listened to the albums all night until the early morning. Still listen them regularly to this day. Best times!
The rhythm guitars are buried on these albums. You can hardly hear them. Also, Axl was starting to lose his voice by these albums. Most songs on AFD he sings in his falsetto. On UYIs he rarely uses his falsetto, but sings in his mask voice really loud, because he can't hit high notes consistently anymore. Of course losing Adler hurt, but everyone else has already stated that. Offsubject from the UYI albums, but I wish that they could have found a way to keep Izzy as, at the least, a studio musician. I also wish that as time has gone by that Axl would have given up the vocals job to the best Axl impersonater on the market, as his voice has an incredibly short shelf life.
Yes. Steven and Izzy. When Steven got the boot I think it pissed Izzy off. Matt Sorum is solid but he's a little robtronic. Adler had more bounce and wasn't as heavy handed with it. He was perfect for that group. That original lineup is arguably the greatest hard rock band ever.
Was 2nd row in St. louis when it all started to come apart. Never seen so many cops in my life. There had to have been 100 cop cars and several swat teams. People were shooting fireworks at police helicopters n the parking lot. It was out of control. Glad I was there though
FFS wake up and smell the bullshit. 4 bottles of vodka per day? Always off their tits on heroine? Yeah OK. This hasn't been exaggerated at all to promote a certain rock n roll image for the band? I guess slash just became amazing on the guitar by magic without needing to practise for several hours per day whilst sober? and probably the best rock album of all time just wrote itself and recorded itself, whilst the band members were slouched around completely wasted. Absolute nonsense. It takes hard work to be this successful, not being wasted the whole time. 😂
Noone said Slash was wasted all the time since he was a child man. Slash practiced like a maniac for years growing up. The deeper and deeper debauchery came later.
Axl: So, November Rain, Estranged and Don't Cry (I&II) are a trilogy with a run time of 2h47m, so if you could play a signature roll... Steven: Yeah, I'm just going to get incredibly high, just enough so I can forget this conversation.
Totally different band without Izzy & Adler. They lost their groove completely on UYI. A sprawling mess with maybe 1 decent album in there somewhere. Remember being soooo underwhelmed when they came out. But hey.... dats rock n roll
I'm a guy from the dark.. Alternative Rock, Industrial, Indie, Prog... etc.. But in the end, i'm just a fan of music.. Learned to play guitar, also because of that.. But i have to say.. Use your Illusion I & II, are true masterpieces of rock. 1991... Maybe the best year of all times, to those who really love music... Not 1 genre of music... Just Music.. Some examples of 1991 : Nevermind - Nirvana Ten - Pearl Jam Achtung Baby - U2 Metallica (a.k.a. The Black Album) - Metallica Trompe le Monde - Pixies Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Out of Time - R.E.M. Use Your Illusion II - Guns N' Roses Blue Lines - Massive Attack Loveless - My Bloody Valentine Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill BadMotorFinger - Soundgarden Screamadelica - Primal Scream Temple of the Dog - Temple of the Dog Apocalypse '91 - Public Enemy Diamonds and Pearls - Prince Innuendo - Queen Trompe le Monde - Pixies Arise - Sepultura Electronic - Electronic Schubert Dip - EMF Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge - Mudhoney Doubt - Jesus Jones Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle Blur - Leisure Smashing Pumpkins - Gish Green Mind - Dinosaur Jr. Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead N.W.A. - Efil4zaggin Orbital - Orbital Gang Starr - Step in the Arena My Bloody Valentine - Loveless and the list goes on... and on.. Fast Foward to 2024.... We're in Sahara Desert..... No water... no emotions.. almost no life at all.. Creativity was demanded by us, on those days.. Today... well.. i won't talk bad, some thing are fine..... But it's a universe much much smaller... Claustrophobic.... Repetitions and tired formulas are Kings, just like the movies....
@@migueldouriet6834 Right Next Door to Hell, Bad Obsession, Back off Bitch, Get in the Ring, So Fine, Knocking on Heaven's Door (shoulda stuck with the live MTV version; it was better).
Use your illusion 1 and 2 had no filler. They are awesome albums that have stood the test of time. Every song on those albums are great. In fact, I like a lot of their lesser known songs way more than their "hits".
This is one of the first tapes I ever bought as a kid. Yes, tapes. Anyways, I still consider this a guitar masterpiece and it’s what made me stop listening to music, and instead, pick up a guitar and play along. And I heard in this video that critics said there were “filler” tracks on these albums. Nonsense. Only crap song imo was “my world” that axl included with no one’s knowledge.
Slash is the reason I picked up a guitar at 7 years old. GnR has always been, and still is my favorite band. That said, they were never as good once they let Adler go. He had a bounce to his playing that Matt just doesn't have. You can easily hear a degradation in the quality of the rhythm section when they got Matt. Duff never meshed with Matt the way he did Steven. I feel like Steven being replaced was all Slash and Axl's doing, even though Slash and Adler were supposed to be friends. I mean, it was a heroin addict firing a heroin addict and alcoholic because they were too fucked up. That's ridiculous. There's plenty of footage from the early 90s where Slash played like complete shit because he was so messed up.
I think the biggest problem was that Steven was confrontational while Slash was chill...Slash actually went to rehab and was willing to get sober at some point.
Thank you so much for this. I really enjoyed this mini documentary. A couple of additions for this if I may. The UYI tour did not start with Rock in Rio in January 1991. The tour started in late May 1991 in East Troy Wisconsin. Also, "Double Talkin Jive" was being recorded at Studio 56 on Santa Monica and Orange and unfortunately some poor soul's remains were discovered behind the studio. That is where Izzy came up with the lyrics. Axl was arrested for an alleged neighbor dispute at this same exact time which was late October 1990. I was 17 years old when UYI finally came out. The anticipation for that double disc album was building for over two years. People honest to God were delirious just to know that GNR were still a functioning band. Axl also moved into one of the recording studios, which one I don't know. He said in an interview that he was desperate to make something beyond AFD.
A trimmed down version could have been a truly great album. Maybe 2 discs with one side rock and the other slower or slightly slower. Mine would have been: 1: Right Next Door to Hell - Live and Let Die - You Could Be Mine - Perfect Crime - Double Talkin' Jive - Locomotive - Don't Damn Me - Dust N' Bones - Pretty Tied Up - Garden of Eden - Coma. 2: November Rain - Yesterdays - Civil War - 14 Years - The Garden - Don't Cry - Breakdown - Knockin' on Heaven's Door - Bad Obsession - Estranged.
Use Your Illusion I and II are the biggest letdown in rocknroll. GNR exploded out of nowhere and set the rock world on fire with Appetite. Then we got those half assed EP's, then waited for years for the next album to drop, and that shitty offering is what we got. No band rocketed to fame faster and higher, and no band just imploded faster and lower than GNR. Thanks Axl...
6:30 Bob Clearmountain wasn't fired cuz sound was too polished. If anything thats how those albums actually sounds..Too polished. He was actually fired because Axl found out he was using drum samples on the drum tracks . For those doesn't know drums samples were a new thing back in the early 90s but GnR wanted to retain the original sounds on the record without any modern alterations. Thats why he got fired.
@@mixingmasteringonline Yeah, Kudos for getting the builder of Slash's guitar's correct. He also had some built by a guy known simply as Maxx. Everyone think they are actual Les Pauls. Upon close inspection you can see the superior tops and craftsmanship.
These albums are way too loud…it’s hard to make out the parts. I remember pretending to not be annoyed by that when I was a kid. I always felt 70s heavy tones are better than 80s/90s heavy tones.
I'd like to share the ONE GnR story I have. Saw them at Hershey Stadium around that time. Skid Row opened and worked the crowd to a FRENZY. GnR came on and played 3 or 4 of their new epics and promptly killed the energy. Duff got on the mic and yelled 'you people are DEAD'. Got a little better when they started playing some actual rock songs, but man what a lost opportunity.
Really wish Adler could've gotten his stuff together. Illusion would be different I'm sure. Should've told axl to bounce and not sign anything. Velvet revolver sounds way more guns than democracy which shouldn't have ever been a guns album. Appetite though is truly a great album. Excellent video thanks.
Were you listening?? I think they were all a disaster. Axl always gets all the blame for the bands problems, and izzy gets all the credit for the songwriting.
It's stupid. You work your ass off to make it than your at the Hight of your carrier and totally destroy it (Rose)thinking he's King shit or "Royalty" like "hey I'm the voice off this band with out me there is no band" it takes the whole band to make the music. Than showing up late the fines for that and all the other crap he pulled and the after hour hundred thousand a night parties he would have. But now look at him ha.
@@jordanpratt3821 Agreed, they were all in really bad shape, but Axl was another level ego and control-wise. Izzy got cleaned up and that never plays well if the rest are still full on addicts.
Matt's 'story' is nonsense. The real story is Axl told him to do it a certain way and Matt said 'OK Boss'. Great job on putting this video together Mixing Mastering Online. Thanks!
After the Illusion albums era GnR was pretty much done. That Spaghetti covers album was horrible lol I got to see them twice and they were cool live. I saw them opening for Iron Maiden in 1988 and saw them touring w/ Metallica in 1992, Faith No More opened. I like them but I’m not a huge fan. At least I can say I saw both versions of the classic band. Both were good live but the original 5 piece band were way better 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Im sure im not alone when i say that i was so bummed when they finally came out and i listened to them. Or attempted to. It would have been a bit better if it was just one album of good stuff instead of all the b.s. The first one was the first cd i ever owned. They came in that big dumb box.
This is when they started to suck they kicked out Adler and put in that gay kid and a keyboard player very un heavy music then they added a bunch of others as a back up band sucked
No Popcorn no Guns n Roses, sorry Axl its true. I saw many interviews after they kicked him out where they could bearly see or talk..........wtf ? Kicked him out but seems the rest just kept doing their usual thing ! Good friends.
They should have called them Use Your Delusion. Couple of decent songs, tons of filler and very clinical, clean production. Which is funny as they went for Bill Price because they said they didn’t want that.
I always heard it was the song Locomotive that was the one Adler had to keep doing takes because he kept coming in wrong on the timing and was the final straw that got him kicked out.
Naw, Civil War is the only song on the album with Adler playing. You can hear it in his style and drum sound. This was the first little teaser single that came out before the album. Unfortunately Steven was ousted soon after we heard the song and imo the band was over. Upon hearing the singles from the albums release I confirmed the band was an empty shell of its former self.
That’s what I’m saying he couldn’t play Locomotive the way they wanted it and that’s one of the reasons they booted him. There’s early demos of him playing it on RUclips and it has a different swing feel to it. They wanted a more technical drummer like Matt to do it. This video is saying he kept messing up on Civil War that pissed everybody off. I always heard it was Locomotive. If you’re saying that Civil War is the only track he played on then they must have been happy enough with it to keep it so I wouldn’t think it’s the one that got him fired.
@@travislee9662 In other interviews they said they were too exhausted to redo Civil War and so they kept it. They were so close to breaking up during this time. What I've stated above is all facts from numerous interviews. And I'm old , on the west coast near them, bought their first record June 1987 before anyone knew about them. Watched them play a basketball gym. I remember it all and how things developed and can certainly tell you that History doesn't always record it accurately. Such as how they keep saying getting Welcome/Jungle on Mtv was the only hurdle in getting GnR popular. The truth is that it wasn't until a year after the album was released, when Sweet Child/mine video came out, that they got popular, broke from Areosmith tour, started headlining. Duff and Slash confirm this in interviews and I lived it, blasting their music and wearing their shirt before anyone around me new them and this lasted for about 1 year....
Dude I’m old too I bought Appetite for Destruction when it first came out when I was in middle school. Like you said records of things are spotty and memories and stories of what happened during recordings change over the years. I just know when I first heard about them kicking him out I read either in an old guitar magazine or something at the time that his drumming on Locomotive was what pissed them off. Like he was too messed up to get the timing down for coming in at the right time on parts. I can’t remember or find where I read this because this was when Use Your Illusion was just coming out. I remember I heard about it before I actually bought the tape (yes tape I wasn’t doing CD’s yet lol) and I was like, "I’ve really got to hear the drums on this Locomotive song” if this was the reason he’s gone. Oh well whatever the story is this week lol
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I liked the original band, especially when Addler was still sober enough to drum. His groove was slinky and very Rock N Roll. Unfortunately, I could never get past Axhole's vocals. They are like fingernails down a chalkboard. The only thing worse is his personality (or lack thereof). Of course my nobody opinion did not stop him from being a massive rockstar. Thanks MMO.
I’m with you there on Axl. I’ve never been a fan of the vocals from him and equate him to the likings of Joe Elliot, David Lee Roth and Stephen Pearcy. They were in bands that were great but they’re the only thing not great about it. It’s funny too because their personalities really do fit the bands they were in, they just aren’t very good singers at all. Never understood what people saw in any of these dudes, but hey they all made multi platinum albums and I’m still working the 9-5 grind so what do I know? 🤷🏻♂️
Well Asshole Rose his vocals did mature for the Illusion albums the first album was more less screaming. But no different than Bon Scots voice in which I find highly annoying I preferer Brian's voice. Thing us they work there ass off to get to the top and Rose's ego destroyed it all. But look at him now a washed up rock singer that can't move or sing on stage al because he didn't take care of himself.
I wonder which songs have the 58 Explorer on them.. I love Exporers they sit right in between a les Paul and an SG tone wise. They can also do a great job of covering fkying v tones . In my opinion its the most versatile Gibson .
I totally disagree and im a huge GNR FAN. "right next door to hell," "Perfect Crime", "back off bitch" "MY world" are all terrible songs. Even "get in the ring" has not aged well. Also did we really need 2 versions of "don't cry"? no we did not.
The end of gnr was when they fired adler , hired dizzy and when izzy quit. And the illusion your was a overblown circus with the background singers. But they were nice to look at😂😂
All the songs on these albums written during the Appetite era I can only imagine how cool Adler's drum parts were. His sound and all those little hooks he does with Duff feeding off of them would have made the albums tolerable. Adlers fault though. And the band was in too fragile of a state to wait and coach Adler back to his senses. Having been a fan since a month after Appetite's release i knew the band was over when adler was out.
i was 16 in 92 , and i borrowed the tape of illusion 2 from a friend to make a copy , (never return it , still have it somware ) and buy the illusion 1 after a bit
this is so insane. you get to live a dream that so many of us wanted and are fully capable of doing but your complicated. so much wasted time. so much unnecessary distractions. those albums dont sound like all the work that was put into them. the right band could have done that in 2 weeks. pathetic.
Great Video with a lot information. But, I'm pretty sure that Steven Adler Record "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" and "Civil War" on the UYI album. Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty sure.
Adlers drumming on Appetite was brilliant...Izzy added inspiration and a real raw and crunchy rock n roll guitar. That line up could not been topped
This series is amazing.
Thank you! 😃
bro i just started watching your videos i dont know why nut your editing is causing audible pops like all through your videos and its so annoying i have killer gear for recording and regular speakers as well and ive tried both its soooo annoying please check it out i like the videos but the audible pops are crazy distracting and not great for speakers i dont knw if its how your cutting and pasting or what but id look into it
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There is no way it's coincidence that I was talking about this album with a coworker 30 minutes ago and now this is on my recommended feed.
And yet I haven't thought about this album in thirty years, and it appeared in mine...
Basic AI and spying. Imagine the deeper meaningful corruption
Google knows all..
All kidding aside if you have a pixel phone it listens unless you turn of phone mic...turn on your car radio and check your phone...
Well, your phone is constantly spying on you and has really big ears (often listening from the other room) but where Guns is concerned, it’s just your run of the mill divine intervention.
In Slash’s autobiography, Axl went through every patch on every synthesizer and workstation for November Rain. The choir section is actually artificial but in weird way sounds organic 😊
Blew my mind when I read that part! Axl composed and recorded the whole orchestra using synths! It sounds amazing and so real. And that’s before DAWs.
Crazy autobiography, I love the Illusion albums more than Appetite and the way they went about recording I and II was super interesting.
Looking back at Axl's pouting at the end, this reminds me of that basketball player Luka. He's always whining and pouting.
Without Axl none of this myth could have happened; in his own words (speaking to the monkey): "You wrote things (on that autobiography) that never even happened".
He was found dead on an elevator tho'. that's the reason why Axl made them sign the band's name off for him. They were behaving like a piece of shit.
We all have proof that without the Mightiest Tiger they were a fucking random grungy hard rock average garage band with their parody name and those shitty records they did... while the Rose of Rock recorded Chinese Democracy leaving a priceless jewel in the history of Rock.
@@CaaPoraSpirit I prefer Izzy's writing, it's more subtle: Mr. Brownstone, Patience, Dust N Bones, You aint the first.... Oh by the way, GnR wouldn't be anything without Slash's guitar work. I love Axl too, but you can't deny Slash's contribution. And finally, Slash is no monkey - you should speak with respect.
For songs like 'November Rain' and 'Don't Cry' and 'Estranged' - these big, sort of epic pieces - me and Axl sat, I believe over there on the floor [points], we ordered some Russian caviar, we had a bottle of vodka... and we listened to 'Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me' by Elton John," the drummer continued.
Upon hearing the tom fill in the John song, Rose said to Sorum, "I want you to do that, or something like that, on 'November Rain.'" The catch was, the singer wanted this "signature drum fill" to also appear on "Don't Cry" and "Estranged."
"I said, 'You want me to use the same drum fill?'" Sorum continued. "He said, 'Yes.' So I did the most famous fill that drummers give me shit for all the time, it's called the 'Pat Boone-Debby Boone.'"
LMAO @ Pat Boone-Debby Boone. I read that and was like WTF??? Then I did it in my head and it all made sense. Pat Boone Debby Boone (cymbal crash).
Looking back at Axl's pouting at the end, this reminds me of that basketball player Luka. He's always whining and pouting.
@@pauls5096 there are also the classic tom fills Flats-in-Dagenham and Dagenham-Flats
The loss of Stephen Popcorn Adler was a real shame because he was a much cooler Gn’R drummer than Sorum. Sorry. 😂
When izzy Quit it was GAME 0VER
His guitar is so low on most of the track on this album it’s a shame
@@matthewboale1261how do mean slow?
Agreed
I think when Steven got booted it was GAME OVER. Matt Sorum's drumming doesn't have any groove to it.
Izzy was the most important key person for their songs, sounds and grooves.
Like Keith Richards on Rolling Stones.
After his leaving, sound of GNR changed apparently.
Absolutely loved both when they came out and still love both albums. 86-93 recordings were great!
With the UYI albums, G'n'R zigged when they should have zagged. The rawness of "Appetite" fit right in with what the newer grunge bands were doing. G'n'R was one of the few 1980s bands that could have continued into the 1990s with credibility, because they didn't need to change what they were doing. What they did instead was drop a bloated, pretentious and over-produced double album that was just the sort of thing 1990s music was rebelling against. Or I should say that's what Axl did.
What did Slash see in Sorum?
The drums on use your illusion are terrible.
Great video. Two of the greatest albums ever made. Everything at this time was so awesome, from the music to the controversy with the tour. A true rock n' roll band back on top of the world. Saw them in 91 with Skid Row before Use Your Illusion released. They played a lot of songs from it, and I couldn't wait for the records to hear them again. Went to a midnight launch at Wherehouse Music and listened to the albums all night until the early morning. Still listen them regularly to this day. Best times!
IMO still to to this day, the best sounding records ever, Matt Sorum's drum sound is unreal. What a great production.
Matt's kit was a good eg of how big drums sound in the studio.
The rhythm guitars are buried on these albums. You can hardly hear them. Also, Axl was starting to lose his voice by these albums. Most songs on AFD he sings in his falsetto. On UYIs he rarely uses his falsetto, but sings in his mask voice really loud, because he can't hit high notes consistently anymore. Of course losing Adler hurt, but everyone else has already stated that.
Offsubject from the UYI albums, but I wish that they could have found a way to keep Izzy as, at the least, a studio musician. I also wish that as time has gone by that Axl would have given up the vocals job to the best Axl impersonater on the market, as his voice has an incredibly short shelf life.
Slash wanted all the attention for sure, live as well, rhythm drowned out
I thought the rhythm guitar was very upfront and prevalent
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Please do one on Bob Rock’s production on Dr. Feelgood
This and Motley Crüe 1994.
@@primetimejabroni903 Yeah love that album too
Loosing Adler was the end of their edgy sound
True...and with out izzy....it showed
*losing
Steve had great swing. He wasn't a bad drummer either.
Yes. Steven and Izzy. When Steven got the boot I think it pissed Izzy off. Matt Sorum is solid but he's a little robtronic. Adler had more bounce and wasn't as heavy handed with it. He was perfect for that group. That original lineup is arguably the greatest hard rock band ever.
Yep 👍
I've heard that Sorum's pretty lame fills were Axl making him play like Adler. 😏
Was 2nd row in St. louis when it all started to come apart. Never seen so many cops in my life. There had to have been 100 cop cars and several swat teams. People were shooting fireworks at police helicopters n the parking lot. It was out of control. Glad I was there though
Wow! What an experience that must have been. 😳
ya man i seen that on the tv show breaking the band on reelz channel it looked crazy.
FFS wake up and smell the bullshit. 4 bottles of vodka per day? Always off their tits on heroine? Yeah OK. This hasn't been exaggerated at all to promote a certain rock n roll image for the band? I guess slash just became amazing on the guitar by magic without needing to practise for several hours per day whilst sober? and probably the best rock album of all time just wrote itself and recorded itself, whilst the band members were slouched around completely wasted. Absolute nonsense. It takes hard work to be this successful, not being wasted the whole time. 😂
Noone said Slash was wasted all the time since he was a child man. Slash practiced like a maniac for years growing up. The deeper and deeper debauchery came later.
Axl: So, November Rain, Estranged and Don't Cry (I&II) are a trilogy with a run time of 2h47m, so if you could play a signature roll...
Steven: Yeah, I'm just going to get incredibly high, just enough so I can forget this conversation.
Looking back at Axl's pouting at the end, this reminds me of that basketball player Luka. He's always whining and pouting.
You have a band of awesome talented musicians, and then you have Axl Rose...
Matts a good dude he played on our 2nd record great drummer but didn’t have Stevens swing.
My absolutely most favourite albums of all time.
Totally different band without Izzy & Adler. They lost their groove completely on UYI. A sprawling mess with maybe 1 decent album in there somewhere. Remember being soooo underwhelmed when they came out. But hey.... dats rock n roll
I'm a guy from the dark.. Alternative Rock, Industrial, Indie, Prog... etc..
But in the end, i'm just a fan of music.. Learned to play guitar, also because of that..
But i have to say.. Use your Illusion I & II, are true masterpieces of rock.
1991... Maybe the best year of all times, to those who really love music...
Not 1 genre of music... Just Music..
Some examples of 1991 :
Nevermind - Nirvana
Ten - Pearl Jam
Achtung Baby - U2
Metallica (a.k.a. The Black Album) - Metallica
Trompe le Monde - Pixies
Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest
Out of Time - R.E.M.
Use Your Illusion II - Guns N' Roses
Blue Lines - Massive Attack
Loveless - My Bloody Valentine
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
BadMotorFinger - Soundgarden
Screamadelica - Primal Scream
Temple of the Dog - Temple of the Dog
Apocalypse '91 - Public Enemy
Diamonds and Pearls - Prince
Innuendo - Queen
Trompe le Monde - Pixies
Arise - Sepultura
Electronic - Electronic
Schubert Dip - EMF
Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge - Mudhoney
Doubt - Jesus Jones
Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle
Blur - Leisure
Smashing Pumpkins - Gish
Green Mind - Dinosaur Jr.
Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
N.W.A. - Efil4zaggin
Orbital - Orbital
Gang Starr - Step in the Arena
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
and the list goes on... and on..
Fast Foward to 2024.... We're in Sahara Desert..... No water... no emotions.. almost no life at all..
Creativity was demanded by us, on those days..
Today... well.. i won't talk bad, some thing are fine..... But it's a universe much much smaller...
Claustrophobic.... Repetitions and tired formulas are Kings, just like the movies....
Great list!
It boggles my mind to see such a great list and then to think I can listen to any of it instantly.
Both albums are amazing without any filler songs.
My World isn't filler? Lol. There's a lot of filler on those albums and I'm a big GnR fan.
@@reggaefan2700 I never skipped any of them
@@reggaefan2700what filler besides my World? Its the only song thats everybody dislike
Heavy filler throughout
@@migueldouriet6834 Right Next Door to Hell, Bad Obsession, Back off Bitch, Get in the Ring, So Fine, Knocking on Heaven's Door (shoulda stuck with the live MTV version; it was better).
Use your illusion 1 and 2 had no filler. They are awesome albums that have stood the test of time. Every song on those albums are great. In fact, I like a lot of their lesser known songs way more than their "hits".
Civil War was the only song I liked out of both albums. Turns out that it was the only Adler song as well.
It’s crazy someone is too messed up to play gnr. I could play this at deaths door 😂. Wow.
Thank god for Matt sorum. Steven was a goofball who could not evolve.
This is one of the first tapes I ever bought as a kid. Yes, tapes. Anyways, I still consider this a guitar masterpiece and it’s what made me stop listening to music, and instead, pick up a guitar and play along.
And I heard in this video that critics said there were “filler” tracks on these albums. Nonsense. Only crap song imo was “my world” that axl included with no one’s knowledge.
Slash is the reason I picked up a guitar at 7 years old. GnR has always been, and still is my favorite band. That said, they were never as good once they let Adler go. He had a bounce to his playing that Matt just doesn't have. You can easily hear a degradation in the quality of the rhythm section when they got Matt. Duff never meshed with Matt the way he did Steven. I feel like Steven being replaced was all Slash and Axl's doing, even though Slash and Adler were supposed to be friends. I mean, it was a heroin addict firing a heroin addict and alcoholic because they were too fucked up. That's ridiculous. There's plenty of footage from the early 90s where Slash played like complete shit because he was so messed up.
I think the biggest problem was that Steven was confrontational while Slash was chill...Slash actually went to rehab and was willing to get sober at some point.
Barely had enough gold material for one album buuuuuuut...drugs so, RELEASE TWO ALBUMS!!!!!
Yes, it took me a long time to figure that out. I kept listening to the dud tracks thinking it was my fault.
@@VictorMaxolI like every single song in its own way and some even more than the singles.
Thank you so much for this. I really enjoyed this mini documentary. A couple of additions for this if I may.
The UYI tour did not start with Rock in Rio in January 1991. The tour started in late May 1991 in East Troy Wisconsin.
Also, "Double Talkin Jive" was being recorded at Studio 56 on Santa Monica and Orange and unfortunately some poor soul's remains were discovered behind the studio. That is where Izzy came up with the lyrics.
Axl was arrested for an alleged neighbor dispute at this same exact time which was late October 1990.
I was 17 years old when UYI finally came out. The anticipation for that double disc album was building for over two years. People honest to God were delirious just to know that GNR were still a functioning band. Axl also moved into one of the recording studios, which one I don't know. He said in an interview that he was desperate to make something beyond AFD.
Nice tip from Bill Price to heavily compress the backing track and then put the vocals on top!
A trimmed down version could have been a truly great album. Maybe 2 discs with one side rock and the other slower or slightly slower.
Mine would have been:
1: Right Next Door to Hell - Live and Let Die - You Could Be Mine - Perfect Crime - Double Talkin' Jive - Locomotive - Don't Damn Me - Dust N' Bones - Pretty Tied Up - Garden of Eden - Coma.
2: November Rain - Yesterdays - Civil War - 14 Years - The Garden - Don't Cry - Breakdown - Knockin' on Heaven's Door - Bad Obsession - Estranged.
doing the same drum fill in 3 songs over & over was dumb. makes it a tedious listen
Use Your Illusion I and II are the biggest letdown in rocknroll. GNR exploded out of nowhere and set the rock world on fire with Appetite. Then we got those half assed EP's, then waited for years for the next album to drop, and that shitty offering is what we got. No band rocketed to fame faster and higher, and no band just imploded faster and lower than GNR. Thanks Axl...
The band lost the edge when Adler got sacked.
Slash; "He just broke the microphone, we're _outta_ here."
Off mic voice from someone in the band beside him; _"I_ don't know 🤷🏻♂️"
😂😂😂☠☠☠
Ted Poley at 1:48 is the real star of this vid.
Who cares? Appetite was their masterpiece and losing Adler destroyed the synergy of that band
And people say John Lennon was hard to work with
6:30 Bob Clearmountain wasn't fired cuz sound was too polished. If anything thats how those albums actually sounds..Too polished. He was actually fired because Axl found out he was using drum samples on the drum tracks . For those doesn't know drums samples were a new thing back in the early 90s but GnR wanted to retain the original sounds on the record without any modern alterations. Thats why he got fired.
Great rundown of the gear they used
Thank you!
@@mixingmasteringonline Yeah, Kudos for getting the builder of Slash's guitar's correct. He also had some built by a guy known simply as Maxx. Everyone think they are actual Les Pauls. Upon close inspection you can see the superior tops and craftsmanship.
He’s also been quoted at the time saying he favoured his trusty red B.C. Rich for the sessions.
These albums are way too loud…it’s hard to make out the parts. I remember pretending to not be annoyed by that when I was a kid. I always felt 70s heavy tones are better than 80s/90s heavy tones.
I'd like to share the ONE GnR story I have. Saw them at Hershey Stadium around that time. Skid Row opened and worked the crowd to a FRENZY. GnR came on and played 3 or 4 of their new epics and promptly killed the energy. Duff got on the mic and yelled 'you people are DEAD'. Got a little better when they started playing some actual rock songs, but man what a lost opportunity.
It's Friday and that can only mean one thing, another great video! Thanks
Thank you!
The best albums in the history of Rock and Roll
I bet Axl was going nuts over that November Rain mix hahaha as someone who mixes their own recordings, just mix it, master it, then move on!
My world was dreadfull
7:58, bottom left, is that Bong N' Bud?
For sure, I thought it was broccoli on first watch through. Ha.
Really wish Adler could've gotten his stuff together. Illusion would be different I'm sure. Should've told axl to bounce and not sign anything. Velvet revolver sounds way more guns than democracy which shouldn't have ever been a guns album. Appetite though is truly a great album. Excellent video thanks.
Really loving these videos man!
Brilliant with the tom hook!!
8:35 is that weed and a bong on the Billboard magazine?
Yes!
Cool info -- what a disaster Axl was back then, as was the rest of the band. It's amazing those records got completed.
Were you listening?? I think they were all a disaster. Axl always gets all the blame for the bands problems, and izzy gets all the credit for the songwriting.
It's stupid. You work your ass off to make it than your at the Hight of your carrier and totally destroy it (Rose)thinking he's King shit or "Royalty" like "hey I'm the voice off this band with out me there is no band" it takes the whole band to make the music. Than showing up late the fines for that and all the other crap he pulled and the after hour hundred thousand a night parties he would have. But now look at him ha.
@@jordanpratt3821 Agreed, they were all in really bad shape, but Axl was another level ego and control-wise. Izzy got cleaned up and that never plays well if the rest are still full on addicts.
It would be better if they hadn't. They're SHIT.
You all are amazing. Thank you for the love and positivity!
Matt's 'story' is nonsense. The real story is Axl told him to do it a certain way and Matt said 'OK Boss'. Great job on putting this video together Mixing Mastering Online. Thanks!
Both albums sucked in comparison to appetite. They needed Izzy and Alder.
After the Illusion albums era GnR was pretty much done. That Spaghetti covers album was horrible lol I got to see them twice and they were cool live. I saw them opening for Iron Maiden in 1988 and saw them touring w/ Metallica in 1992, Faith No More opened. I like them but I’m not a huge fan. At least I can say I saw both versions of the classic band. Both were good live but the original 5 piece band were way better 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The album was too engrained in a wall-of-sound, 80s production/mixing style.
If I recall correctly Izzy said and Slash confirmed that Izzy was not involved in either or the USE lps
When they came out, I was kind of disappointted after Appetite but, as GnR were my fav band, I enjoyed them for a while.
For me, Yesterdays and 14 years were just stocking fillers for those albums.
For me, Yesterdays and 14 years were just stocking fillers for those albums.
Im sure im not alone when i say that i was so bummed when they finally came out and i listened to them. Or attempted to. It would have been a bit better if it was just one album of good stuff instead of all the b.s. The first one was the first cd i ever owned. They came in that big dumb box.
Thanks a lot for this, please give me more😂
and now axl sounds like micky mouse .....
Still more rich and famous than you.
This is turning into my favourite channrl
That’s great to hear, thank you! 😃
No one can drink that much vodka in on day 3 to 4 L. No man. Just ask John Bonham. But his pancreas did rupture. So theres that. Duff that is.
Good job going with Bill Price. Right Next Door to Hell sounds sweet.
This is when they started to suck they kicked out Adler and put in that gay kid and a keyboard player very un heavy music then they added a bunch of others as a back up band sucked
There was an operatic reach to that double album beyond the hairband roots.
It's true, it was huge in scope and theatrics. I saw Iron Maiden last year, and they too had that big scale with theater, great songs, like GnR!
Just because they had long hair doesn’t mean they were a hair band. They were way different from hair bands.
@@jnorthrop70 True, I don't call bands afterwards Bald, Goat Tee bands lol
oh my goodness the audio pops are insane on this video please please start fixing this on your new videos
Listen to you could be mine live vs recording and thats all you need to know even patience is do iconic cause it was real
Metallicas Black Album tour was twice as long
Von UYI war ich total enttäuscht. Völlig überproduziert. Und das nach DEM Debüt!! UYI ist Quantität statt Qualität.
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My older brother preordered these.
No Popcorn no Guns n Roses, sorry Axl its true.
I saw many interviews after they kicked him out where they could bearly see or talk..........wtf ?
Kicked him out but seems the rest just kept doing their usual thing !
Good friends.
They should have called them Use Your Delusion. Couple of decent songs, tons of filler and very clinical, clean production. Which is funny as they went for Bill Price because they said they didn’t want that.
I always heard it was the song Locomotive that was the one Adler had to keep doing takes because he kept coming in wrong on the timing and was the final straw that got him kicked out.
Naw, Civil War is the only song on the album with Adler playing. You can hear it in his style and drum sound. This was the first little teaser single that came out before the album. Unfortunately Steven was ousted soon after we heard the song and imo the band was over. Upon hearing the singles from the albums release I confirmed the band was an empty shell of its former self.
That’s what I’m saying he couldn’t play Locomotive the way they wanted it and that’s one of the reasons they booted him. There’s early demos of him playing it on RUclips and it has a different swing feel to it. They wanted a more technical drummer like Matt to do it. This video is saying he kept messing up on Civil War that pissed everybody off. I always heard it was Locomotive. If you’re saying that Civil War is the only track he played on then they must have been happy enough with it to keep it so I wouldn’t think it’s the one that got him fired.
@@travislee9662 In other interviews they said they were too exhausted to redo Civil War and so they kept it. They were so close to breaking up during this time. What I've stated above is all facts from numerous interviews. And I'm old , on the west coast near them, bought their first record June 1987 before anyone knew about them. Watched them play a basketball gym. I remember it all and how things developed and can certainly tell you that History doesn't always record it accurately. Such as how they keep saying getting Welcome/Jungle on Mtv was the only hurdle in getting GnR popular. The truth is that it wasn't until a year after the album was released, when Sweet Child/mine video came out, that they got popular, broke from Areosmith tour, started headlining. Duff and Slash confirm this in interviews and I lived it, blasting their music and wearing their shirt before anyone around me new them and this lasted for about 1 year....
Dude I’m old too I bought Appetite for Destruction when it first came out when I was in middle school. Like you said records of things are spotty and memories and stories of what happened during recordings change over the years. I just know when I first heard about them kicking him out I read either in an old guitar magazine or something at the time that his drumming on Locomotive was what pissed them off. Like he was too messed up to get the timing down for coming in at the right time on parts. I can’t remember or find where I read this because this was when Use Your Illusion was just coming out. I remember I heard about it before I actually bought the tape (yes tape I wasn’t doing CD’s yet lol) and I was like, "I’ve really got to hear the drums on this Locomotive song” if this was the reason he’s gone. Oh well whatever the story is this week lol
Sorum has used that same drum fill on every recording hes ever done 😂
There's no such thing as a JCM 800 2203 'four input model'. For the four input ones, it's just JCM 800 1959 for the 100 watt and JCM 800 1987 for the 50 watt one. They are basically a Superlead Plexi in JCM 800 clothing. I had one, which I bought with a refund after my JMP 1959RR Randy Rhoads amp blew up two weeks after getting it new. The JCM 800 2203 is pretty much just the JMP 2203 with the newer look. The master volume model, which cascades the two halves of V1 and has the MV between the tone stack and phase splitter tube. They were hassled in the late 1970s by a distributor to update the styling of the amp line up, which is why JCM 800 happened.
I liked the original band, especially when Addler was still sober enough to drum. His groove was slinky and very Rock N Roll. Unfortunately, I could never get past Axhole's vocals. They are like fingernails down a chalkboard. The only thing worse is his personality (or lack thereof).
Of course my nobody opinion did not stop him from being a massive rockstar. Thanks MMO.
I’m with you there on Axl. I’ve never been a fan of the vocals from him and equate him to the likings of Joe Elliot, David Lee Roth and Stephen Pearcy. They were in bands that were great but they’re the only thing not great about it. It’s funny too because their personalities really do fit the bands they were in, they just aren’t very good singers at all. Never understood what people saw in any of these dudes, but hey they all made multi platinum albums and I’m still working the 9-5 grind so what do I know? 🤷🏻♂️
Well Asshole Rose his vocals did mature for the Illusion albums the first album was more less screaming. But no different than Bon Scots voice in which I find highly annoying I preferer Brian's voice. Thing us they work there ass off to get to the top and Rose's ego destroyed it all. But look at him now a washed up rock singer that can't move or sing on stage al because he didn't take care of himself.
I wonder which songs have the 58 Explorer on them.. I love Exporers they sit right in between a les Paul and an SG tone wise. They can also do a great job of covering fkying v tones . In my opinion its the most versatile Gibson .
There's no bad moments on either of these records.
I totally disagree and im a huge GNR FAN. "right next door to hell," "Perfect Crime", "back off bitch" "MY world" are all terrible songs. Even "get in the ring" has not aged well. Also did we really need 2 versions of "don't cry"? no we did not.
@@bill-hc4vhI never liked Don't Damn Me, My World
Not quite
@@bill-hc4vhNext Door was from the AFD era.
@@JohnnyPerthyeah, Garden of Eden is a better version of that same song.
2:57 that is one hard photo
The end of gnr was when they fired adler , hired dizzy and when izzy quit. And the illusion your was a overblown circus with the background singers. But they were nice to look at😂😂
All the songs on these albums written during the Appetite era I can only imagine how cool Adler's drum parts were. His sound and all those little hooks he does with Duff feeding off of them would have made the albums tolerable. Adlers fault though. And the band was in too fragile of a state to wait and coach Adler back to his senses.
Having been a fan since a month after Appetite's release i knew the band was over when adler was out.
i was 16 in 92 , and i borrowed the tape of illusion 2 from a friend to make a copy , (never return it , still have it somware ) and buy the illusion 1 after a bit
I didn't realize Josh Homme played Keyboards as Dizzy Reed in GnR
The two iconic guitars from this album you never even mentioned.
this is so insane. you get to live a dream that so many of us wanted and are fully capable of doing but your complicated. so much wasted time. so much unnecessary distractions. those albums dont sound like all the work that was put into them. the right band could have done that in 2 weeks. pathetic.
Great Video with a lot information. But, I'm pretty sure that Steven Adler Record "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" and "Civil War" on the UYI album. Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty sure.
It was stupid to release both separately.
That’s how this video ended? Is there a part two?
Just one part I'm afraid, a brief look at the album in under 10 mins.
I think a two double-album release requires a two double-video series! :) seriously though, I'd love more but this was quite enjoyable. Cheers.
Cheers!
Very Rockin gnr!!
I like Appetite for destruction only. The illusion albums where not good to me. Roses had lost all the roughness