That's what makes the decline and fall of John Lasseter so tragic: he was right about that. They tried to keep 2D alive as much as they could, but after Roy E. Disney's death, it seemed to die with him. But the video is wrong about the 2011 POOH. I bought a ticket to see it in theaters and I'm glad I did. There's no reason that should have been the end of the line for 2D theatrical animation, and it was suicidal to put it up against a HARRY POTTER movie. Intended demographics aside, it didn't help that the Pooh characters had been so overexposed up to that point. Prior to the 1988 premiere of THE NEW ADVENTURES OF WINNIE THE POOH, there had only been the four 25-minute theatrical featurettes made 17 years apart. After that show ended, the floodgates opened and the quantity of new POOH cartoons exploded with diminishing returns each time. Just like all the other examples actually mentioned in the video and around the same time.
@@CelestialAmethyst92 And how much anime is just bad/generic stories. Besides his point was, at the time, 2D animation was getting lazy with story telling, obviously there were good ones but there was a lot of lazy crap that was filling the market and poor decisions were made.
Great video man. People who think Pixar killed traditional animation don't realize how integral it still is to Pixar's production process. I do hope for a return to 2D animation. As you said, now would be a great time since people are so nostalgic for their childhood films
I don't get why the live action Disney remakes are so popular. Like Pan says, good animation is astonishing while good CG is standard. Why not just watch the beautiful animated films Disney already made instead of remakes. Also, what makes Disney's remakes so good but when someone else makes a one it's "oh, another remake? Make something new, shit heads"?
+FluffyKyubey42 That's basically what I said, my main question is "why". I haven't watched any of the Disney remakes and I don't plan on watching them either, I'm just curious.
I thought the only Disney remake that truly justified its existence was Pete's Dragon, since I found the original kind of mediocre. I thought The Jungle Book remake had some of its high points too. I think it all generally boils down to how studios are cashing in on nostalgia at the moment. The remakes probably won't take away too much from the original source and aren't out to replace them either. Though I do agree how remakes/reboots are kind of unnecessary at times.
+Sunspot Mill Never saw Pete's Dragon, even forgot it was a thing but I feel from watching the Jungle Book trailer that it's more of a reboot rather than a remake. Correct me if I'm wrong though, but it felt more like the 60's vs 90's Batman did. But then there's Beauty and the Beast which didn't look close to as astonishing as the animated one does just like I don't think the Little Mermaid will compare to the breathtaking animation from the original. Even if it's treating the original media with respect, the backlash is usually way bigger nonetheless. It's confusing, especially when you don't know much about Disney films, like me.
I think another reason that Disney 2d animation slumped in the early 2000s is due to reeeeally bad marketing practices. Atlantis The Lost Empire came out the same year as Shrek yet it was barely pushed at all (save for the obligatory toys in Kids meals). Heck, Disney themselves pushed Pixar's Monster's Inc more than Atlantis, showing how little faith they had in it (yet they went through all the trouble of creating a new freaking language for Atlantis) And YET, the following year we had Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet. And how many of us remember those commercials where Stitch interupts OTHER Disney films? How much Stitch merchandise is there on toy shelves and in the parks, not to mention having its own attraction at the theme park? In the animation department, Lilo and Stitch was only beaten by Ice Age that year, yet ppl seriously thought that 2D was dying because Treasure Planet didn't do very well? Fun fact: Treasure Planet came out the week after the 2nd Harry Potter film, a franchise that Disney TURNED DOWN.
Treasure Planet was also badly marketed with spoilerific trailers and poor ads showing that cheap tv cartoons were better in terms of investment than orgional movies like Treasure Planet, and Atlantis. Why market those and Iron Giant and Emperors New Groove when you could promote Recess and Doug's 1st movie.
Treasure Planet is an incredible film. BEAUTIFULLY animated with a stunningly unique world. Every single change from the original source material is utterly brilliant and serves to elevate the story and characters. It is blatantly obvious how much passion went into it. What Disney did to that film is a crime against animation.
@blakgumshoo And they didn't learn from their mistakes either. They released Princess and the Frog the same time as Avatar, and Winnie the Pooh ON THE EXACT SAME DAY as the last Harry Potter film. And even though Lilo and Stitch did well financially, it was still beat by Ice Age, as you mentioned, and generally received negative reviews.
I think one thing worth noting here is how the Disney direct-to-video ‘cheapquels’, from mid-90s and 00s, also played a huge contribution of killing off 2D for Disney and made the entire medium seem less serious for the public eye.
The Powerpuff Girls Movie is still probably one of the most underrated films of it's time. It's one of the best film adaptations of a show and one of my favorite animated movies.
If only it had come out a few years later, I think it would have done a lot better. Now that adults can go watch shows aimed at kids on the big screen without much flak. Heck, I almost expecting to see more adults than kids at the My Little Pony FiM Movie.
PaleoSteno I agree. I was a massive Powerpuff Girls fan when I was 5, especially around the time when the movie came out. I wish that it was more appreciated and I believe it's one of those prequel stories that does its job well in my opinion.
It's weird how John Lasseter is decrying the state of how we view 2D animation and CG animation, and yet, he's the creative head of Disney now essentially so he totally has the power to do 2D animated films again, but they instead cut their 2d division AGAIN recently.
@@TheDen-ec9xe Fuck your misogyny. Women and gay men have had enough of being systematically oppressed, harassed, and threatened by heterosexual males.
The worst offender has to be the Hey Arnold! movie : A made-for-TV movie released in cinema that bombed and caused the studio to end the show without the planned actual movie finale.
@@kaclock4138 I think Nick should have own the rights to Shrek and made it into a series same with the Bee Movie in 2011 but a serious version insteadof Kung Fu Panda
"Nobody asked for a CG Winnie the Pooh movie." And then they made a live action adaptation, have it centered around Christopher Robin growing up and be a coming of age story, which did surprisingly okay. It was certainly better than those live action remakes we got this year! It's only a matter of time before people will get sick of them and hopefully stop putting money into seeing them, because it's getting ridiculous at this point.
I heard that the PPG movie failed because of bad timing. It came out summer 2002, which was pretty shortly after 9/11. And considering all the city violence in the PPG movie, it probably scared concerned parents away.
I believe 2D animation is far more appealing and is much more beautiful if it is done well. In the classic Disney movies, you can see all the care and love put into the films. They are all absolutely beautiful.
PikaMewPokeTrainer The thing is, 2D animation has a huge advantage over 3D, because technology is always evolving, movies that looked revolutionary in the 90’s look really dated today.
Joesph Continelli coco honestly doesnt impress me, book of life went all out in looking different and hugely taking mexican art for its look, coco just looks like a generic cg movie with day of the dead theme
Someday you should talk about VeggieTales. It was actually revolutionary for it's time (1993) for four or five people in a shed to be pumping out these 3d animated videos
This is honestly one of your best videos in a long time. I never would've thought about Rugrats lending a hand in killing 2D Disney animation on the big screen, but after you explained everything so well, it makes so much sense to me now. Disney should totally try to bring back 2D animation too. Not only is now the perfect time to do it with all the reasons you brought up, but I think it's also worth mentioning how well-received 2D animation is in video games right now. Games like Rayman Origins, Rayman Legends, Dust An Elysian Tail, and Cuphead all have extremely well received art-styles thanks to their usage of 2D animation and hand-drawn sprites. Even though games are a different medium, I think the there's a lot of audience overlap between games and film these days.
There were a lot of things leading to the death of 2D that I was already aware of including those crappy made for TV franchise movies they insisted on pushing into theaters, but I never realized that it was the Rugrats movie that initially sparked that trend. The death of western 2d animated cinema is a blow that still stings even now, ten years later. I can't help but to even be a little bitter towards Pixar for it and I love Pixar.
Eduardo Ho As big as those shows are, I'm not sure Disney, especially since the animation department is/was being controlled by John Lassiter, who sought to get rid of the things that killed Disney in the first place (DVD sequels, TV show movies, etc.), would want to risk venturing into that again.
In fairness to Winnie-The-Pooh, it likely would done better if Disney picked almost any other date to release it. When you decide to release your film against a giant film franchise's series finale (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2), you're engaging in self-sabotage.
@@mattwolf7698 it would've at least somewhat made back its budget if it had been released on a better day. For me the film felt more like the DTV Pooh films then something you'd want to see on the big screen, heck the central plot is kinda reminiscent of Pooh's Grand Adventure, only less exciting, now THAT film should've gotten a theatrical release.
@Sailor Sedna The last film before that was POOH'S HEFFALUMP MOVIE which was probably the nadir of Disney's Pooh cartoons. That's something that should have gone straight to video but instead got a theatrical release.
@Mystique Dreamer I also think they cut corners on BROTHER BEAR and HOME ON THE RANGE just to justify shutting the division down. They learned every wrong lesson from the 1984-1994 Disney renaissance, and while their current output is better than a lot of the crap they were putting out 15 years ago, some of it seems bloated, heartless, and uncanny-valley-ish. I call it the "No Disneys at Disney Anymore Era." When Roy E. Disney died, a lot of what was left of the heart and soul of the Disney company died with him. Walt's family is taking good care of Walt's legacy, but what is the studio today adding to its legacy that wasn't the result of a multibillion dollar acquisition or a chance to relive the glory of yesterday's parades?
@Mystique Dreamer agreed, I think Disney intentionally sent it out that day to die, knowing it couldn't possibly compete with the last Harry Potter movie.
“It’s a movie version of a cartoon you can see on TV for free.” Yes, totally. I can totally see the same cartoon through the cable box I may be paying a fee for absolutely free!
Most of the film examples provided here(Doug, Recess, Pokemon etc) aired on networks like FOX,ABC, UPN or Kid's WB at the time which were the free Standard TV networks back then.
My Cousin actually worked for Disney. He was an inbetweener for Disney movies like Mulan, Emperors New Groove, Lilo & Stitch... He did lose his Job there because he did not want to change to CGI animation. He still complains about CGI on Facebook.
The problem I have with Dragon's Lair(besides being a pitch project and not an actually movie), and that other 2D crowdfunded movie about a steampunk girl, is that it focus way too fucking much on the fact that it is a 2D movie, the campaign itself was pretty meh and I had no fucking idea what the movie was supposed to be about, I didn't even looked like it was going to be a good movie, just a 2D movie.
Fun fact: Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie for Theaters and The Simpsons Movie were the only American cartoons who got feature length theatrical movies between the two SpongeBob movies
Can I just say how great this video was? Well researched, filled with interesting content an ideas, and very informative while still being entertaining. I know the comment sections on this channel are usually for silly jokes and edgy opinions, but damn, I just just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. Good job!
I love the videos where Pan focuses more on dissecting the industry as a whole. His knowledge and analysis is really what sets him apart from most of the other internet animation "reviewers" (aside from Saberspark and the like).
What? Did you even see the movie ? where did you get that from? I'm not defending the movie, it's terrible, but I don't see the connection you're making whatsoever.
The original story was even worse than the crap we got. It involved the villain controlling the cows through yodeling and using them to assemble an army to storm Washington D.C. and take over the White House. YES. That was the original plot before getting scrapped, not that the film we ended up with was any better.
Waluigi's Taco Stand Nothing after season 4 and maybe 5 were good. My favorite episodes post movie were Krusty Towers and Fear of A Krabby Patty anyway, because they were actually funny and still felt like classic Spongebob. Hell I only liked those two out of all the post movie ones. I either don't remember or cringe at all the other tripe we got. Particularly with how nasty and unpleasant later episodes got.
LJK401 THAT is part of the problem: if Spongebob can do well on a budget, why bothering with Disney? Also, most of those did actually thrive on the name to make people go to the movies, regardless of how good they were ((spoilers: not all of them were))
It's a thousand times more impressive because it takes a certain mental ability to be able to emulate movement through drawings. It's not like rigging a puppet, there's no automatic physics applied or computer generated textures, it's literally just lines. It's amazing
Something else I think you neglected to mention when it came to the financial failure of Winnie the Pooh: It came out the same weekend as DEATHLY HOLLOWS, PT 2. Of course no one was going to go see an earnest 2D animated Winnie the Pooh film when the decades long Harry Potter film franchise was coming to an end that same weekend. I'm certain Disney picked that release date on purpose as the final nail in the coffin to axe their 2D department.
I've been boycotting them since 2014. The last straw was the un-restoration of BEDKNOBS AND BROOMSTICKS on Blu-ray. The camel's back still hasn't healed.
They did the same shit to Treasure Planet. Sent out a blatantly summer adventure movie out in winter against Santa Clause 2 and fucking Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone. Combine that with little to no advertising and the commercials it did get offered spoilers galore.
Fuck I love highly detailed 2d animation so much... I don't know why but 2d animation feels so much more real to me, it might be how much more control you have with 2d but it's just so nice to look at when well done.
2D animation is a MUCH more dynamic and less restrictive medium. 3D is always so stiff and linear in what it can do since you can only do so much with a character model. I mean just look at something like the video for Block Head. You just can't do anything even remotely like that in 3D.
14:07 This may surprise you, but changing the title of an animated Disney film to make it seem more marketable to a certain or wider audience that caused an uproar isn't new. When The Great Mouse Detective was in production, it was originally going to be named "Basil of Baker Street" like the source material, but executives thought it would be too British-sounding for American audiences, so they insisted it to have its name changed to The Great Mouse Detective. Of course, the animators were the ones who were not at all happy with that decision, as they thought it ruined their artistic integrity behind that project. As a result, one member of that particular staff, Ed Gombert, decided to respond by writing a satirical inter-office memo claiming that the Disney animated classics up until that point would be re-titled, though there was one that strangely remained untouched: photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4081/2333/1600/WDPNewTitles_large.1.jpg
I'm sorry to agree with the chart guys but...they're right. The Great Mouse Detective sounds like something you want to see as opposed to the other which sounds extremely boring.
im trying to think whether the title really would of mattered or i was a kid or not. because i remember when it came out on vhs and i saw previews for it i was begging my grandparents and my parents to get it. because what got me to want to watch it was the part in the preview "I think that you're a slimy, contemptible sewer rat!" and i thought it was so funny i would quote it as an insult when we were playing some sort of game.
Maybe that's why Pixar's not all that impressive anymore, or why their films are just not as profitable. The amazing CGI is what we expect at this point from Pixar. But that alone cannot sell a film. Look at The Good Dinosaur; godly amazing realistic water effects, but the story was shit. And development hell definitely shows its mark on the story. Pixar used to tell good stories, although it has gotten very samey and predictable in plot structure (the "heroes are suddenly far from home because of a reason, and now must find their way home and/or while learning to get along with each other and their differences" in particular is overdone at this point).
@@TooCooFoYou the problem with PIXAR and Disney as for them not producing anymore 2D films is that both studios know, and expects that the audiences will go see because of the "Disney" brand: i.e. CGI films, and PIXAR sequels. Despite this not being as a concern for Disney animation, but both companies are making theses types of films, because they obviously want a profit.
I never got the villains plan though, yeah he wanted to stop summer vacation and have everyone vote for him as President for It, but it all involved moving the moon to cause an ice age. Ignoring the ice age thing, their will be a hell of lot of problems to earth itself if you move the orbit of the Whole Frecking Moon.
Auto Turret23. can one of you guys tell me what song plays towards the end of the video? i know its a disney princess song but i cant remember who sung it
I saw The Lion King in IMAX when I was a kid... I was blown away, you could actually see all of the sketch marks on all of the characters when they were animated. Made me have more appreciation for that talent that goes into something like that.
20Justin1 Same too, along with Treasure planet, if they were marketed a little better to disguise certain things and chose a better release date, they might've been more of a hit and we would've gotten more disney films in that range.
with sponge out of water, YES it felt like an episode. but goddamn it, it felt like an older episode. and we needed that. modern spongebob is shit, so it was refreshing
You know, that's not actually a bad speculation, Pan. I think you're right on the money. The market just got over saturated, and with how many animation studios nowadays are making CG films, it's only a matter of time before theatrical animation might take another big turn.
"Sir, CGI is falling out of style!" "So...should we try 2D animation?" "Nah, nobody cares about that. Maybe stopmotion?" "*quick glance towards Tim Burton's stopmotion movies* Sure!" and so a cycle starts
This is why my dream and whole reason I'm pursuing animation at all is to create 2D hand drawn films or series utilizing the wacom digital technology but emphasizing STORY. I also want to push the medium further than it's ever gone before. Is it crazy for me to want to push 2d animation beyond where it's ever gone, even more than Disney? Possibly but crazy is the only way anything ever changes so I'm sticking with it.
@Sketching_Fox Book illusion of life by Disney in their prime 2d days it is the bible of animation to this day get your hands on it and you can learn all that walt and his mates knew and go beyond it is a must read for any animator.
According to internet forums at the time, the PPG movie bombed for 3 main reasons: -Released the same weekend as MiB 2 -Released when PPG's popularity was already waning -CN didn't market the movie all that much and picked shitty showtimes, apparently a lot of people didn't even know it had come out
That was made by the first division of Warner Bros. Animation and the predecessor of the second division for Warner Bros. Animation called the Warner Animation Group.
AFGreeneMachine And Elsa was supposed to be the main villain at the time too. I think it kinda sucks how Disney indirectly faults both PatF and Pooh for wanting to end 2D. It seems like Disney intended to have alternative 2D and 3D releases for their new renaissance at the time, after 2009. But financial and commercialized reasons unfortunately shifted those plans. I felt that could've a turning point too. At least Tangled, WiR, and BH6 had always intended to be CGI productions from the start.
honestly, they changed so much it is not even an adaptation anymore, but rather its own thing which is why it is a good thing they renamed the story and all of the characters
I know. There were plans of making that movie more like the original Snow Queen story before. Even Walt Disney himself thought about developing a Snow Queen movie, but that idea never really came to fruition. Even some earlier concept arts had Elsa as a villain. So the final movie hardly end up being an adaptation, like OP said.
So that's what killed Disney 2d animation as a whole: Pixar, Shrek, babies that leads to over saturation of 2d tv based films for themselves, and straight to video or dvd sequels. This is your best video to talk about this most questionable topic so far. Can't wait for your Digimon Retrospective on Digimon Adventure (S1). :)
Peanuts was definitely stylized, but Captain Underpants still felt like a CG film with unique designs and different animated segments. Definitely unique, but I wouldn't quite say stylized.
As much as I dislike the latest Smurfs movie, I guess that's somewhat true. Something about the movement still feels like an average CG film though, probably because it's going way too freaking fast.
Don't know about anyone else, but that part when Tommy tries to pour the baby food over Dil literally makes me tear up. It always has. It was that emotional for me. Come at me.
Thank your for actually deconstructing the problems with 2D and 3D animation industry instead of being a 2D purist who thinks they know everything about an artform they detest.
You missed on something else, RebelTaxi, and that was Hey Arnold! The Movie. Originally it was meant to be on television, but a focus group apparently convinced Nickelodeon to throw it on theaters to add to the trend of throwing movies based on TV shows in theaters! Despite having a $3 million budget, it bombed with $15 million (pretty much chump change) and has a 29% Rotten rating on Rotten Tomatoes, obviously thanks to the generic "Save insert place here" story and it's ridiculously faster-than-a-speeding-bullet pacing. Oh, but that was just the tip of the iceberg. Nick pretty much knee jerked and canceled the show because Craig Bartlett had a show on Cartoon Network and couldn't even do what was gonna be the true series finale: the Hey Arnold Jungle TV movie that was finally gonna solve the mystery regarding Arnold's parents! ...but it's coming back in November of this year so there is some hope in this world...as long as it's good and worth waiting for 13 goddamn years! Other than that, very informative video Rebel! I miss 2D Animation
He is already aware of the situation with why the Jungle Movie did not get made; he explained in a previous video (God only knows which one) that the guy couldn't' sign an exclusivity contract with Nickelodeon due to that CN show, which is why the Jungle Movie never got made...
SymbioteNx379 If Hey Arnold ever did continue on as a show, I would like it to be more geared towards an older audience. Many of the Hey Arnold plots focused around moral dilemmas and subtly hinted at darker elements of a child's life (Helga's parents being abusive and negligent, for example). If the Jungle Movie does well and revives the series, I would love to see the cast grow and tackle more mature issues - show them entering into middle school and high school with issues that apply towards kids of that age range. Of course, those are very high hopes and I wouldn't expect that direction even if the Jungle Movie did outstanding, but it's a direction I could very well see take off.
Nathan Dohanos Honestly though, why should the show be "darker"? Shows like Hey Arnold or MLP never needed to be dark or hardcore like Season 5 of Samurai Jack to be good. Yeah Hey Arnold did touch on harsh subjects like Helga being neglected and Arnold being an orphan but what made the show great was how subtle it was. The charm was how relatable it was for kids of all ages. I mean if it isn't broke don't fix it
Carl Bloke I don't necessarily think the show needs to be darker, per se. What I mean is a more natural transition from childhood to adulthood, with more relevant issues popping up. Not anything to the effect of Samurai Jack (though the thought of Arnold slicing people open is amusing), but adding more moral ambiguity. Adding more character depth - maybe have someone like Helga join some sort of clique or gang in high school that's seriously misguided due to her lack of family and Arnold still being oblivious to her crush towards him. I agree with the "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" mentality to a degree, but if a show like Hey Arnold was revived, I feel like it would have to do something different in order to stay fresh and interesting. Of course, it all comes down to how the show is written in the end. If the writers could continue writing plots that would pertain to those in Arnold's age range, then by all means - go for it. But the sky is the limit when it comes to aging the characters and maturing the scenarios.
Kevin Nozomi Tamura Miyake I really agree with what he said on Sponge out of Water. When I watched it I loved it but the pacing was too fast for a movie. I felt like I was watching a one hour long episode.
The movie itself felt kind of boring, but the animation was amazing. It took a little getting used to, being a casual watcher of the show, but it really looks nice.
@@graphitetailgrace3870 Garbage? Mmmmmm... I mean it wasn't amazing, but I don't think it was garbage. Honestly it was one of the better animated films to come out that year.
I have to admit that while I do think 3D animation can look nice 2D has always been my thing. And as for your point about Your Name in Japan it seems as if 3D hasn't really progressed to our extent to mainstream use. And with that I mean it looking as polished normally, because if Berserk 2017 can tell us anything some of it can come out pretty awful. Anyway, I remember seeing one of the Rugrats films in theaters and probably saw this one as well as a kid. I had forgotten all about it.
WalkingGirlKoi I kinda feel the same way. Though 2D animation has been a big influence on 3D animation, resulting in beautiful works of animated art like Moana and Zootopia. Contrary to popular belief, those who work in computer animation don't hate traditional 2D animation. They are influenced and inspired by it.
WalkingGirlKoi The problem with 3D animation in Japan doesn’t seem so much like a quality crises, it's more of a stylistic one. A lot of anime that contain CG often try to make the CG look like anime, but that often fails miserably. They often try making something look 2D while still treating it like 3D which doesn’t really work. It is possible to make CG look the way they want to, but it's a slow and arduous process that would end up costing a lot of recorces.
I could argue a lot of those movies could still be enjoyed by people and have genuine effort put into them whether they were 2D or 3D. Then again, Chicken Little and Shark Tale are examples of how not to make 3D movies. They were cash-ins designed to be based off famous things or were trying to rip off something else both in a superficial way. Just because something is 3D, that doesn't make it automatically better and both 2D and 3D adaptations can still be good if the studio people care about what they're making. I mean films that initially bombed even as far back as the 80s (Secret of NIMH), 90s (Iron Giant) and 2000s (Treasure Planet) have cult followings because of their engaging stories and characters and those were 2D movies. There have been cases where 3D films have outright bombed financially (The Good Dinosaur, Kubo and Delgo). It's entirely unpredictable how a movie's box office will turn out regardless of quality. Studios also have a part in how a movie (panned or loved) could turn out in the advertising (or lack thereof). They may not care about something audiences and critics might love. If anything, the domestic box office has stopped meaning anything when worldwide box offices/reception have sometimes saved movies (for better or worse). In the end, I say just watch what you want and don't let the box office be an indication of quality because honestly, you might find something worth watching.
MrWarners14 This makes me wish they made theatrical movies based on KND, We Bare Bears, Hi Hi Puffy Amiyumi, Kim Possible, Star vs the Forces of Evil and Gravity Falls. They could pander to the countries those shows were and are still popular at.
|Zanot| I also blame Suicide Squad for Kubo's failure. The film was still making tons of money and in the theaters near where I live, it had a lot of showings and lines.
Another great vid, thanks! CG animation has gotten much better over the years, but still doesn’t illicit all that much of an emotional response in me. It still feels too plastic and slick. Moana came close. It was easily the best result from CG I’ve seen. But then Your Name came out and reminded me how breathtaking and magical 2D animation could be. I do hope it makes some kind of revival someday.
90s "Yo boi! Let's play Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 on my Dreamcast! Drink Sunny D! & skateboard in the skatepark afterwards to hip hop music!" Early 2000s "Yo dude! Let's play Tony Hawk Underground on my XBOX! Drink Caprisun! & skateboard afterwards to Nu Metal & Pop Punk!"
90s was an age of when kids wearing cargo shorts would brag about their N64, PC, PlayStation, or SEGA Dreamcast, drink Sunny D, skateboard, & speak in Hip Hop slang, but then it all ended in the 2000s where Pop Punk & Nu Metal dominated the radio, for older kids to be drinking their energy drinks, play on their EXtr3m3 XBOX, shit talk on XBOX Live or on PC Multiplayer, & still skateboard.
PATRiCKFBi MetalHead Considering the fact the Dreamcast launched in the US in September of 1999 I'd say that's impressive as fuck to have owned one at the time.
So basically it came down to. 1. follow the Leader 2. kept making barely above tv quality movies of their tv brands. 3. A HORRIBLE release date in Princess and the Frog's case (Those fuckers went up against James Cameron? Seriously?) 4. I forgot what the 4th thing was, but there was a 4th thing. Basically it was all incompetence on their part.
Great video! Just one thing about the pic used for Yu-Gi-Oh, it's a picture of the 2016 film so I don't really see how it fits the video. I'm guessing you were going to put a picture of Yu-Gi-Oh : The Movie (2004), which would fit what you were talking about.
It looks like its the other way around if you watch the video. THose movies caused a movement that caused a lot of them to go bust and isney'd oing great making new things now.
It kind of depends honestly. You can make a great movie based on a TV show. The Spongebob movie was amazing since it pretty much establishes its main characters for both the show and the movie. It's story and narrative is something fans of the show and newcomers can even enjoy.
TheFVguy If Codename: Kids Next Door, Gravity Falls and Star vs. the Forces of Evil were moved to the big screen, not only should they do it like this. They must also watch the Marvel and Studio Ghibli movies as influences.
@Dusk Raccoon Just to correct you, that live-action wasn't based on the anime, it was based on the spin-off game, Detective Pikachu. That's like saying the upcoming Sonic the Hedgehog film is based on a cartoon, even though it's really based on the video game series.
Most anime is still 2d, there's a few cgi crap inthe midst but for people who watch season by season like me you know they haven't changedto that yet. Phineas and Ferb lasted well past Rugrats though and was 2d animated.
@@spydersoup8447 I was referring to the Sonic movie. And how it has nothing to do with the original character, and focuses more on a human character than the title character(s).
Great video! I hadn't seen a video that even addressed this topic, they were all about Pixar and Shrek and how animation is seen as kid's stuff. Thanks for this perspective!
"I'm sure general audiences were demanding a CG Winnie-the-pooh movie" *Christopher Robin is a 2018 American fantasy comedy-drama film directed by Marc Forster and written by Alex Ross Perry, Tom McCarthy, and Allison Schroeder, from a story by Greg Brooker and Mark Steven Johnson. The film is inspired by A. A. Milne and E. H. Shepard's book Winnie-the-Pooh[6] and is a live-action/CGI adaptation of the Disney franchise of the same name. The film stars Ewan McGregor as the title character alongside Hayley Atwell and the voices of Jim Cummings, Brad Garrett, Nick Mohammed, Peter Capaldi, Sophie Okonedo, Sara Sheen, and Toby Jones. The story follows an adult Christopher Robin as he has lost his sense of imagination, only to be reunited with his old stuffed bear friend, Winnie-the-Pooh. Plans of a live-action Winnie the Pooh adaptation were announced in April 2015, and Forster was confirmed as director in November 2016. McGregor signed on as Christopher Robin in April 2017 and principal photography began in August of that year in the United Kingdom, lasting until November. Christopher Robin had its premiere in Burbank, California on July 30, 2018.[7] Released in the United States on August 3, 2018, by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, the film grossed over $197 million worldwide and received mostly positive reviews from critics, with praise for McGregor and Cummings's performances, musical score, and visual effects.[8]*
Ask a kid which movie he wants to see and they will always pick 3D animation. 2D is now seen as below average and Television/online fair only. I don't see it ever returning to the big screen as it would be such a huge risk unless it's something like The Simpson's that almost guarantees success.
I don't know about Nowadays, but I remember back in 5th and 6th grade, thinking 2D animation was so cool and wishing it was used more often. It's quite a shame really.
I remember when I was 10-11 years old, and I was wondering why I hadn't seen any handrawn movies since the princess and the frog, only to then later find out disney ditched their cinematic 2d animation. I was heartbroken
I remember when Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods came out and the entire movie theatre was packed, it’s almost like people still cared about 2D animated films even back in 2013
"Rugrats was then, what SpongeBob is today." ... except when Rugrats ended, it was still watchable. And, you know, it actually ended. So, basically, RUGRATS didn't destroy 2D Disney animation, the idea of "popular franchise = money" destroyed it, Rugrats merely got the train flowing. Also, just an FYI, Rugrats Go Wild is third and Rugrats in Paris is the second film.. you might've been making a joke, but regardless.. I wouldn't say the initial 2 Rugrats films "relied on the brand"; they told the stories the show couldn't do under it's budget and length.. bringing a new character in without rushing it, taking the babies to Paris to help Stu's career and help Chuckie find a mom, these weren't things the show felt it could do on the small screen. And, as a Rugrats fan of over 15 years, I feel they did a damn good job. 'Go Wild' definitely should've been a TV film though, as originally intended.. at least the animation and backgrounds were nice, though
MrColeslaw actually rugrats didn't start it it was technically beavis and butthead do america that got the train flowing it was one of the biggest hits of 1996 rugrats did this for the kids movies
The soundtrack of RUGRATS IN PARIS (an acronym would make it sound too morbid) was horrific beyond belief and dated the movie. Anything whose soundtrack includes anything from the Lou Pearlman pedo-bilge machine is by definition dated. The SPONGEBOB movies didn't go down that route, mercifully.
Back then, it was considered taboo for a guy to admit liking a show that was geared towards girls which is why the PPG movie fell flat, even though most people who saw the original show knew that it was a show for everybody not just girls. But in this day and age that kind of stuff doesn't really matter anymore. You got My Little Pony bronies, and guys who like shows with softer edges like Adventure Time and Steven Universe. And it's thanks to this change in times that I'm able to admit liking certain shows from my childhood that were geared towards girls like The Winx Club, Magical DoReMi, and Mew Mew Power.
Rush Maverick while I do agree with you on the fact that guys liking shows that are geared toward girls is more acceptable now I still feel like if you on RUclips and say you like My Little Pony you will most likely be attacked for it versus saying you like the Power Puff girls.
RebelTaxi The film may not be for everyone, but in this climate of CG, I'm interested in seeing on how My Little Pony: The Movie will effect 2D Animation; considering Allspark Pictures miniscule budgets for their films (their most expensive film costing only $9m) and the fact that it'll probably make it's money back from it's Fandom alone.
I remember in high school I was talking about how much I loved The Powerpuff Girls, and one of my friends just could not stop mocking me for it. Even though I'm pretty sure he watched it as a kid too.
You have NO idea how much I miss good looking 2D animation. When Disney made movies out of 'Doug', 'Recess', and 'Teacher's Pet', it really broke my heart because Disney use to be know for their high quality animation, and those movies had VERY sub par animation by comparison! Even the 'Disney Afternoon' shows had better animation quality than these other movies mentioned above. I would've preferred another 'DuckTales' movie, A 'Rescue Rangers' movie, or a 'Darkling Duck' movie instead, but that didn't happen. (At least 'A Goofy Movie' got made, and it had high quality animation.) Also, Disney was bringing their 'tween girl' junk like 'Lizzie McGuire', 'Hanna Montana', and 'High School Musical' to the big screen, and that infuriated me to no end because I those those properties were cheap, pandering crap, that only catered to 'glittering vampire obsessed belibers' and were unworthy of the 'Disney' name (Hey, you can trust the 'Disney' name. with 'Hanna Montana' Oh wait, NO YOU CAN'T! Miley came in LIKE A WREEEECKING BAAAAAAAAL!) If 'Home On The Rang', or 'Princess & The Frog' did better at the box office, maybe Disney would continue to make 2D animation, and the other studios might give 2D animation another chance.
Marc Baker This makes me wish Disney TV Animation could make theatrical movies based on Kim Possible, Gravity Falls and Star vs. The Forces of Evil. They could make these films alongside the main feature animation studio for the sake of high quality animation (not unlike A Goofy Movie).
I know this comment is outdated but I must say I personally disagree about Teacher's pet, I think it's actually one of the better films that came out during that trend, but it bombed because the show was cancelled before it was finished. Making a theatrical movie on such an obscure series wasn't a smart move however, but Disney saw potential because the show won emmys. But with Doug and Recess I do agree, not that they were bad, but felt like they just could had gone straight to video. I still really miss 2d animated movies even those lower budget ones Disney was putting out at the time... It's really a shame Disney canned that theatrical Phineas and Ferb movie. With all the cgi in cinemas now that would had been a breath of fresh air.
@@Launchpad05 I have a perfect name for it: Disney Movietoons. It'll also be a name for a shared cinematic universe of theatrical animated film versions of Disney shows, not unlike the Toho Godzilla/MonsterVerse movies.
I genuinely did not know Teacher's Pet started out as a cartoon first. I thought it was some B-list Disney original movie that spawned its own cartoon later on. I only knew that name from a Pokemon DVD I had.
I’ve seen this video so many times. And every single time I agree on every point. It’s such a great video that, doesn’t matter if you like Pan or not, you need to watch it if you like/want to get into animation.
With the My Little Pony movie coming out later this year and The Loud House Movie set for 2020, I wonder how they're going to upgrade the 2D flash animation like they usually do with such movies and how it's going to translate to the big screen.
"2D animation became the scapegoat for bad storytelling" That just broke my fucking heart...
JustShayPlays The samething is happening with CG now, there's so many mediocure and bad CG films now, just look at The Emoji movie.
Matthew Wells *mediocre
I’m crying now
That's what makes the decline and fall of John Lasseter so tragic: he was right about that. They tried to keep 2D alive as much as they could, but after Roy E. Disney's death, it seemed to die with him.
But the video is wrong about the 2011 POOH. I bought a ticket to see it in theaters and I'm glad I did. There's no reason that should have been the end of the line for 2D theatrical animation, and it was suicidal to put it up against a HARRY POTTER movie. Intended demographics aside, it didn't help that the Pooh characters had been so overexposed up to that point. Prior to the 1988 premiere of THE NEW ADVENTURES OF WINNIE THE POOH, there had only been the four 25-minute theatrical featurettes made 17 years apart. After that show ended, the floodgates opened and the quantity of new POOH cartoons exploded with diminishing returns each time. Just like all the other examples actually mentioned in the video and around the same time.
@@CelestialAmethyst92 And how much anime is just bad/generic stories. Besides his point was, at the time, 2D animation was getting lazy with story telling, obviously there were good ones but there was a lot of lazy crap that was filling the market and poor decisions were made.
Great video man. People who think Pixar killed traditional animation don't realize how integral it still is to Pixar's production process. I do hope for a return to 2D animation. As you said, now would be a great time since people are so nostalgic for their childhood films
Well the MLP movie is coming out, that's something.
Ayyyyy, I watch your videos! I also agree on what you are saying here.
Saberspark so true man
Are you going to make a new video?
Saberspark glad to see two of my favorite animation experts on the same page :)
Can we just talk about how sponge out of water was advertised as this big grand 3D movie, when in truth it was more like the last 20 minutes?
the 3D stuff was honestly the weakest part of the movie for me
I don't get why the live action Disney remakes are so popular. Like Pan says, good animation is astonishing while good CG is standard. Why not just watch the beautiful animated films Disney already made instead of remakes. Also, what makes Disney's remakes so good but when someone else makes a one it's "oh, another remake? Make something new, shit heads"?
I'm surprised more people haven't call out Disney on the remakes.
Disney's remakes are fine.
+FluffyKyubey42 That's basically what I said, my main question is "why". I haven't watched any of the Disney remakes and I don't plan on watching them either, I'm just curious.
I thought the only Disney remake that truly justified its existence was Pete's Dragon, since I found the original kind of mediocre. I thought The Jungle Book remake had some of its high points too.
I think it all generally boils down to how studios are cashing in on nostalgia at the moment. The remakes probably won't take away too much from the original source and aren't out to replace them either. Though I do agree how remakes/reboots are kind of unnecessary at times.
+Sunspot Mill Never saw Pete's Dragon, even forgot it was a thing but I feel from watching the Jungle Book trailer that it's more of a reboot rather than a remake. Correct me if I'm wrong though, but it felt more like the 60's vs 90's Batman did. But then there's Beauty and the Beast which didn't look close to as astonishing as the animated one does just like I don't think the Little Mermaid will compare to the breathtaking animation from the original. Even if it's treating the original media with respect, the backlash is usually way bigger nonetheless. It's confusing, especially when you don't know much about Disney films, like me.
I think another reason that Disney 2d animation slumped in the early 2000s is due to reeeeally bad marketing practices. Atlantis The Lost Empire came out the same year as Shrek yet it was barely pushed at all (save for the obligatory toys in Kids meals). Heck, Disney themselves pushed Pixar's Monster's Inc more than Atlantis, showing how little faith they had in it (yet they went through all the trouble of creating a new freaking language for Atlantis)
And YET, the following year we had Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet. And how many of us remember those commercials where Stitch interupts OTHER Disney films? How much Stitch merchandise is there on toy shelves and in the parks, not to mention having its own attraction at the theme park? In the animation department, Lilo and Stitch was only beaten by Ice Age that year, yet ppl seriously thought that 2D was dying because Treasure Planet didn't do very well? Fun fact: Treasure Planet came out the week after the 2nd Harry Potter film, a franchise that Disney TURNED DOWN.
Treasure Planet was also badly marketed with spoilerific trailers and poor ads showing that cheap tv cartoons were better in terms of investment than orgional movies like Treasure Planet, and Atlantis. Why market those and Iron Giant and Emperors New Groove when you could promote Recess and Doug's 1st movie.
Treasure Planet is an incredible film. BEAUTIFULLY animated with a stunningly unique world. Every single change from the original source material is utterly brilliant and serves to elevate the story and characters. It is blatantly obvious how much passion went into it. What Disney did to that film is a crime against animation.
Kinda good that Atlantis bombed, considering it's almost a shot-for-shot recreation of Nadia: The Secret Of Blue Water.
@blakgumshoo And they didn't learn from their mistakes either. They released Princess and the Frog the same time as Avatar, and Winnie the Pooh ON THE EXACT SAME DAY as the last Harry Potter film. And even though Lilo and Stitch did well financially, it was still beat by Ice Age, as you mentioned, and generally received negative reviews.
stop ranting
"NICK SORENSON"
I think one thing worth noting here is how the Disney direct-to-video ‘cheapquels’, from mid-90s and 00s, also played a huge contribution of killing off 2D for Disney and made the entire medium seem less serious for the public eye.
The Powerpuff Girls Movie is still probably one of the most underrated films of it's time. It's one of the best film adaptations of a show and one of my favorite animated movies.
PaleoSteno I heard some people didn't like it because it's too dark and cynical.
PaleoSteno It truly was, I wanted my parents to take me to the theatres to watch it so badly
If only it had come out a few years later, I think it would have done a lot better. Now that adults can go watch shows aimed at kids on the big screen without much flak. Heck, I almost expecting to see more adults than kids at the My Little Pony FiM Movie.
The first time when I watched it I just thought that it was the first episode of the show (6 year old me was dumb)
PaleoSteno I agree. I was a massive Powerpuff Girls fan when I was 5, especially around the time when the movie came out. I wish that it was more appreciated and I believe it's one of those prequel stories that does its job well in my opinion.
It's weird how John Lasseter is decrying the state of how we view 2D animation and CG animation, and yet, he's the creative head of Disney now essentially so he totally has the power to do 2D animated films again, but they instead cut their 2d division AGAIN recently.
Luke Goins
One person doesn't run an entire company. Just because he wants doesn't mean he can.
Touko White True..... God do I hate executives sometimes
Maybe the 2D people wouldn't put out for him.
It just gotten worse now. They hired the Frozen bitch as the creative head of WDAS.
@@TheDen-ec9xe Fuck your misogyny. Women and gay men have had enough of being systematically oppressed, harassed, and threatened by heterosexual males.
"2D animation became the scapegoat for bad storytelling"
PREACH
Agreed!
Ik lasseter rightfully gets a bad rep but what he says here is facts
The worst offender has to be the Hey Arnold! movie : A made-for-TV movie released in cinema that bombed and caused the studio to end the show without the planned actual movie finale.
At least later this year there's the Jungle Movie which is the finale. It'll come out in November.
It's official?
Dadko yep
Excited to watch it been waiting patiently all year :3
Hey Arnold! is getting a made for TV movie now I think that movie that's being made is the once cancelled Jungle movie.
The SpongeBob movie is now shown on Nick.
Cartoon Network puts Shrek on too.
What a time to be alive.
Now Disney channel shows Shrek (I don't know if they show it anymore) but it's crazy considering it was made to mock Shrek.
@@kaclock4138 I think Nick should have own the rights to Shrek and made it into a series same with the Bee Movie in 2011 but a serious version insteadof Kung Fu Panda
"Nobody asked for a CG Winnie the Pooh movie."
And then they made a live action adaptation, have it centered around Christopher Robin growing up and be a coming of age story, which did surprisingly okay. It was certainly better than those live action remakes we got this year! It's only a matter of time before people will get sick of them and hopefully stop putting money into seeing them, because it's getting ridiculous at this point.
I heard that the PPG movie failed because of bad timing. It came out summer 2002, which was pretty shortly after 9/11. And considering all the city violence in the PPG movie, it probably scared concerned parents away.
Neil Jacob Nacilla And Spiderman 1
crystalfairy912, I remember renting it out of Blockbuster as a kid. Aaahhh... The memories..
It had a Scene, where the Girls gone Man of Steel in a City.
Conrado Javier
, Yeah that was fucking awesome. I love milliona of dollars in property damage in movies! 😅👌
summer 2002 isn't shortly after 9/11 what the hellman
Here's a fun fact for you. The song "All-Star" by Smash Mouth was actually in The Digimon Movie a year before it got popular from Shrek.
And it was in Mystery Men before that. Actually, the song is original to the Mystery Men soundtrack.
It was also in cinderella after she lost her slipper
@@ajzeg01 I wouldn't say All Star is original to Mystery Men. It was released on a studio album, rather than just Mystery Men's soundtrack.
The og meme isnt sherk....its a knock off pokemon movie.
@@ajzeg01 The song is original to their 1999 album Astro Lounge
I believe 2D animation is far more appealing and is much more beautiful if it is done well. In the classic Disney movies, you can see all the care and love put into the films. They are all absolutely beautiful.
PikaMewPokeTrainer The thing is, 2D animation has a huge advantage over 3D, because technology is always evolving, movies that looked revolutionary in the 90’s look really dated today.
SouprSpookr2020 yes! I watched Bambi recently and I was taken away from the beautiful scenery in the first shots
@@SouprSpookr so true
I love Rugrats! I miss the old days. 2D will never die! ruclips.net/video/kSNmw6uz3lg/видео.html Check out my 2D indie film channel
"When a Pixar movie was coming it was an event."
...not so much nowadays anymore.
meatmaster coco looks good
Joesph Continelli coco honestly doesnt impress me, book of life went all out in looking different and hugely taking mexican art for its look, coco just looks like a generic cg movie with day of the dead theme
I miss the art of Jorge R. Gutiérrez. El Tigre should have lasted longer.
Especially after The Bleh Dinosaur, Finding Cash-grab and Cars fucking 3
Does every animation focused video need a pixar isn't good anymore comment? It's getting really annoying
That Rugrats Burger King ad at the end totally foreshadowed Tommy wanting to be a filmmaker in All Grown Up.
4:11
You made an error: Rugrats: Go Wild (2003) came AFTER Rugrats In Paris (2000)
It was made as a joke.
Someday you should talk about VeggieTales. It was actually revolutionary for it's time (1993) for four or five people in a shed to be pumping out these 3d animated videos
And the writeing is extremely solid as well
lol.
veggietales was everyones jam even if you didn't believe in God
Pretzel_Bun :3 YES! When I was younger I didn’t even realize veggie tales was about god lol
This is honestly one of your best videos in a long time. I never would've thought about Rugrats lending a hand in killing 2D Disney animation on the big screen, but after you explained everything so well, it makes so much sense to me now. Disney should totally try to bring back 2D animation too. Not only is now the perfect time to do it with all the reasons you brought up, but I think it's also worth mentioning how well-received 2D animation is in video games right now. Games like Rayman Origins, Rayman Legends, Dust An Elysian Tail, and Cuphead all have extremely well received art-styles thanks to their usage of 2D animation and hand-drawn sprites. Even though games are a different medium, I think the there's a lot of audience overlap between games and film these days.
There were a lot of things leading to the death of 2D that I was already aware of including those crappy made for TV franchise movies they insisted on pushing into theaters, but I never realized that it was the Rugrats movie that initially sparked that trend. The death of western 2d animated cinema is a blow that still stings even now, ten years later. I can't help but to even be a little bitter towards Pixar for it and I love Pixar.
Melting Sky Pixar has nothing to do with this. That's stupid. And there are still movies that can revive 2d
Carl Bloke Disney should make movies based on Gravity Falls and Star vs. The Forces of Evil. Those shows could save American 2D animation.
Evan Sageser I miss don bluth studios.
Eduardo Ho As big as those shows are, I'm not sure Disney, especially since the animation department is/was being controlled by John Lassiter, who sought to get rid of the things that killed Disney in the first place (DVD sequels, TV show movies, etc.), would want to risk venturing into that again.
Judi Dench was recently interviewed and asked about her role in Home on the Range. She couldn't remember which animal she voiced xD
No one remembers
@@RebelTaxi I didn't even know Judi Dench was in that movie.
In fairness to Winnie-The-Pooh, it likely would done better if Disney picked almost any other date to release it. When you decide to release your film against a giant film franchise's series finale (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2), you're engaging in self-sabotage.
Yeow McCheeseBurger True but most people view Winnie The Pooh as something for young kids so it probably wouldn't have done that much better.
@@mattwolf7698 it would've at least somewhat made back its budget if it had been released on a better day. For me the film felt more like the DTV Pooh films then something you'd want to see on the big screen, heck the central plot is kinda reminiscent of Pooh's Grand Adventure, only less exciting, now THAT film should've gotten a theatrical release.
Dummies
Its fucking 2023 and Disney still hasn’t learned, Disney keeps making dogshit level choices to this day
That Winnie the Pooh movie came out the SAME EXACT DAY AS HARRY POTTER AND THE SOMETHING OR OTHER WHY DO YOU THINK IT DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE?!?!
AdaptiveReasoning And Winnie The Pooh it is actually a good movie...
@Sailor Sedna The last film before that was POOH'S HEFFALUMP MOVIE which was probably the nadir of Disney's Pooh cartoons. That's something that should have gone straight to video but instead got a theatrical release.
@Mystique Dreamer I also think they cut corners on BROTHER BEAR and HOME ON THE RANGE just to justify shutting the division down. They learned every wrong lesson from the 1984-1994 Disney renaissance, and while their current output is better than a lot of the crap they were putting out 15 years ago, some of it seems bloated, heartless, and uncanny-valley-ish. I call it the "No Disneys at Disney Anymore Era." When Roy E. Disney died, a lot of what was left of the heart and soul of the Disney company died with him. Walt's family is taking good care of Walt's legacy, but what is the studio today adding to its legacy that wasn't the result of a multibillion dollar acquisition or a chance to relive the glory of yesterday's parades?
@Mystique Dreamer agreed, I think Disney intentionally sent it out that day to die, knowing it couldn't possibly compete with the last Harry Potter movie.
“It’s a movie version of a cartoon you can see on TV for free.”
Yes, totally. I can totally see the same cartoon through the cable box I may be paying a fee for absolutely free!
Most of the film examples provided here(Doug, Recess, Pokemon etc) aired on networks like FOX,ABC, UPN or Kid's WB at the time which were the free Standard TV networks back then.
My Cousin actually worked for Disney. He was an inbetweener for Disney movies like Mulan, Emperors New Groove, Lilo & Stitch...
He did lose his Job there because he did not want to change to CGI animation.
He still complains about CGI on Facebook.
Your cousin is a little crybaby.
FluffyKyubey42 how ?
For complaining about CGI animation and refusing to get with the times.
Don Bluth is trying his best with a 2d movie of Dragon's Lair
I hope he still making it (I love his animations)
Donny Boy bring us a new movie
The problem I have with Dragon's Lair(besides being a pitch project and not an actually movie), and that other 2D crowdfunded movie about a steampunk girl, is that it focus way too fucking much on the fact that it is a 2D movie, the campaign itself was pretty meh and I had no fucking idea what the movie was supposed to be about, I didn't even looked like it was going to be a good movie, just a 2D movie.
GO MAKE DRAGON'S LAIR A MOVIE!
*AGGRESSIVE T*
Hollywood logic: “This movie failed, it must mean that nobody likes the genre!”
“What if it’s just that the movie sucked?”
“Nah! That can’t be it”
Fun fact: Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie for Theaters and The Simpsons Movie were the only American cartoons who got feature length theatrical movies between the two SpongeBob movies
Scott Sandler you forgot Curious George from 2006
Poever The Curious George film was released before the PBS Kids show.
TooCooFoYou yeah but the point is it was a traditionally animated film in theaters and it predates ATHF and Simpsons Movie
Poever I don't quite get your point...
TooCooFoYou His point was that the Curious George movie was one of the few traditional animated movies in between both spongebob movies
Can I just say how great this video was? Well researched, filled with interesting content an ideas, and very informative while still being entertaining. I know the comment sections on this channel are usually for silly jokes and edgy opinions, but damn, I just just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. Good job!
I love the videos where Pan focuses more on dissecting the industry as a whole. His knowledge and analysis is really what sets him apart from most of the other internet animation "reviewers" (aside from Saberspark and the like).
Home on the Range didn't need any help being a failure. What the fuck were they thinking with that concept?
"alright people, here's my idea for the next 2d disney movie: what if black people... were cows?"
What? Did you even see the movie ? where did you get that from? I'm not defending the movie, it's terrible, but I don't see the connection you're making whatsoever.
that movie was really popular in Indiana which is where I live
The original story was even worse than the crap we got. It involved the villain controlling the cows through yodeling and using them to assemble an army to storm Washington D.C. and take over the White House. YES. That was the original plot before getting scrapped, not that the film we ended up with was any better.
oh but that really happened. that was last years election.
The Spongebob Movie still holds up. Easily the best Spongebob related thing ever.
Waluigi's Taco Stand Nothing after season 4 and maybe 5 were good. My favorite episodes post movie were Krusty Towers and Fear of A Krabby Patty anyway, because they were actually funny and still felt like classic Spongebob. Hell I only liked those two out of all the post movie ones. I either don't remember or cringe at all the other tripe we got. Particularly with how nasty and unpleasant later episodes got.
Mmmm pretty sure that title belongs to "Chocolate with Nuts" and "Band Geeks".
wherethetatosat It's a close call, it really is.
LJK401 THAT is part of the problem: if Spongebob can do well on a budget, why bothering with Disney? Also, most of those did actually thrive on the name to make people go to the movies, regardless of how good they were ((spoilers: not all of them were))
LJK401 season 9,10,11
2D done extremely well is still a thousand times more impressive than 3D in my opinion.
It's a thousand times more impressive because it takes a certain mental ability to be able to emulate movement through drawings. It's not like rigging a puppet, there's no automatic physics applied or computer generated textures, it's literally just lines. It's amazing
What about Spider-Man into the spider-verse?
Me too! Also, look at the film, "Akira!" It is so beautifully animated that it even put Disney to shame and it came out in 1988!
@@kittykittybangbang9367 That’s an exception.
@@pennysanchez7656and Mitchell vs the machines, new tmnt movie, and puss in boots last wish?
Man I love this channel. How come it hasn't gotten that much attention?? Pan has been around for years and the quality of his videos are amazing.
You just summarized exactly what I was thinking!
He's plateaued at 400k for a few years now
Something else I think you neglected to mention when it came to the financial failure of Winnie the Pooh: It came out the same weekend as DEATHLY HOLLOWS, PT 2. Of course no one was going to go see an earnest 2D animated Winnie the Pooh film when the decades long Harry Potter film franchise was coming to an end that same weekend.
I'm certain Disney picked that release date on purpose as the final nail in the coffin to axe their 2D department.
I've been boycotting them since 2014. The last straw was the un-restoration of BEDKNOBS AND BROOMSTICKS on Blu-ray. The camel's back still hasn't healed.
which is a shame, as it wasn't a bad movie, but it was never going to win against a juggernaut like that
I thought they were remaking that movie.
They did the same shit to Treasure Planet. Sent out a blatantly summer adventure movie out in winter against Santa Clause 2 and fucking Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone. Combine that with little to no advertising and the commercials it did get offered spoilers galore.
_"In Hollywood, no one knows anything."_
This was the most genuine Rebeltaxi video ever
I agree, but how about the video where he discusses how you're never too old to be watching cartoons and anime?
which ones that?
When Are You TOO OLD To Be Watching CARTOONS or ANIME? [RebelTaxi]
Whaddya mean, "or"?
Fuck I love highly detailed 2d animation so much...
I don't know why but 2d animation feels so much more real to me, it might be how much more control you have with 2d but it's just so nice to look at when well done.
2D animation is a MUCH more dynamic and less restrictive medium. 3D is always so stiff and linear in what it can do since you can only do so much with a character model. I mean just look at something like the video for Block Head. You just can't do anything even remotely like that in 3D.
14:07 This may surprise you, but changing the title of an animated Disney film to make it seem more marketable to a certain or wider audience that caused an uproar isn't new. When The Great Mouse Detective was in production, it was originally going to be named "Basil of Baker Street" like the source material, but executives thought it would be too British-sounding for American audiences, so they insisted it to have its name changed to The Great Mouse Detective. Of course, the animators were the ones who were not at all happy with that decision, as they thought it ruined their artistic integrity behind that project. As a result, one member of that particular staff, Ed Gombert, decided to respond by writing a satirical inter-office memo claiming that the Disney animated classics up until that point would be re-titled, though there was one that strangely remained untouched: photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4081/2333/1600/WDPNewTitles_large.1.jpg
I'm sorry to agree with the chart guys but...they're right. The Great Mouse Detective sounds like something you want to see as opposed to the other which sounds extremely boring.
im trying to think whether the title really would of mattered or i was a kid or not. because i remember when it came out on vhs and i saw previews for it i was begging my grandparents and my parents to get it. because what got me to want to watch it was the part in the preview "I think that you're a slimy, contemptible sewer rat!" and i thought it was so funny i would quote it as an insult when we were playing some sort of game.
Someone must have REALLY hated Aristocats.
If you dont get why Aristocats name was still on there you should probably look up "The Aristocrats!" joke.
@@Tatwinus IIRC, the Aristocrats joke came long after Aristocats came out.
Pan, Rugrats in Paris was the SECOND Rugrats movie, Go Wild was the third
That was just a joke.
Akatsuki Prince Thats what I said!!!! XD
Akatsuki Prince I like your avatar. If you ask a Normie if they watch anime, that's their go to response.
He could have made a joke about Go Wild. You know, something something, pedophilia, something something. It could have worked
I'd watch a 2D animated movie sequel to Alice in Wonderland. Imagine a Alice Through the Looking Glass movie.
Alice is my waifu
But the original film, pretty much combined a lot of elements of the second book to the first one, so it would be a short film.
no thank you
+Brandon Lyon
True but they could always add new stuff
And it would still hold up well as her voice actress is still alive
Mudkip971 it's crazy how she's barely changed voice wise and is still doing the voice to this day.
Maybe that's why Pixar's not all that impressive anymore, or why their films are just not as profitable. The amazing CGI is what we expect at this point from Pixar. But that alone cannot sell a film. Look at The Good Dinosaur; godly amazing realistic water effects, but the story was shit. And development hell definitely shows its mark on the story.
Pixar used to tell good stories, although it has gotten very samey and predictable in plot structure (the "heroes are suddenly far from home because of a reason, and now must find their way home and/or while learning to get along with each other and their differences" in particular is overdone at this point).
I don't know what you were smoking, but aside from Good Dinosaur and maybe Cars 3, Pixar films made a lot of bank.
@@TooCooFoYou the problem with PIXAR and Disney as for them not producing anymore 2D films is that both studios know, and expects that the audiences will go see because of the "Disney" brand: i.e. CGI films, and PIXAR sequels. Despite this not being as a concern for Disney animation, but both companies are making theses types of films, because they obviously want a profit.
Next time a Digimon S1 review. until then here's this.
RebelTaxi yeayahhh
RebelTaxi Have u got poosi yet?
RebelTaxi can't wait
RebelTaxi {Nice. Yo kai watch is great}
RebelTaxi Looking forward to that :)))))
The end of Recess School's Out has made me cry every single time I've watched it since I was a kid
I have no idea why
I am a baby
Speaking of: THAT FUCKING TOY STORY 3 END MUSIC
F U C C. M E. U P
I never got the villains plan though, yeah he wanted to stop summer vacation and have everyone vote for him as President for It, but it all involved moving the moon to cause an ice age. Ignoring the ice age thing, their will be a hell of lot of problems to earth itself if you move the orbit of the Whole Frecking Moon.
The end credits of Recess: School's Out has to be one of the trippiest scenes ever put in a kid's film. I like the surrealist quality of it.
Auto Turret23. can one of you guys tell me what song plays towards the end of the video? i know its a disney princess song but i cant remember who sung it
Sexy Biscuits Bruh "Go the Distance" from Hercules.
I saw The Lion King in IMAX when I was a kid... I was blown away, you could actually see all of the sketch marks on all of the characters when they were animated. Made me have more appreciation for that talent that goes into something like that.
If you view sponge bob 2 as an bizzarre acid trip like, absurdist comedy, it's fucking awesome.
Sponge Bob 2 was supposed to be the last hurrah! It is no where near on par with the first movie however it is on par to the earlier seasons
One of the best 2D animation movies is Treasure Planet. That art style is still one of the best art styles in animation
At one point there was supposed to be a sequel
20Justin1 Treasure planet was my childhood
20Justin1 I still have a huge crush on Jim.
20Justin1 probably my favorite animated movie
20Justin1 Same too, along with Treasure planet, if they were marketed a little better to disguise certain things and chose a better release date, they might've been more of a hit and we would've gotten more disney films in that range.
with sponge out of water, YES it felt like an episode. but goddamn it, it felt like an older episode. and we needed that. modern spongebob is shit, so it was refreshing
That because it was co written by the shows creators
I hope they do that with the next movie if there is one
@@IAm-zo1bo there is one. It's called "it's a wonderful sponge" and all we know about it is that the poster is trippy as hell.
It comes out next ywar
Everytime there's a new review, it feels like forever since the last.
You know, that's not actually a bad speculation, Pan. I think you're right on the money. The market just got over saturated, and with how many animation studios nowadays are making CG films, it's only a matter of time before theatrical animation might take another big turn.
at least we got laika.
illumination entertainment is dreamworks 2.0.
"Sir, CGI is falling out of style!"
"So...should we try 2D animation?"
"Nah, nobody cares about that. Maybe stopmotion?"
"*quick glance towards Tim Burton's stopmotion movies* Sure!"
and so a cycle starts
We need a Gravity Falls movie in theaters!
Kubo deserved far more attention than it actually got.
This is why my dream and whole reason I'm pursuing animation at all is to create 2D hand drawn films or series utilizing the wacom digital technology but emphasizing STORY. I also want to push the medium further than it's ever gone before. Is it crazy for me to want to push 2d animation beyond where it's ever gone, even more than Disney? Possibly but crazy is the only way anything ever changes so I'm sticking with it.
Sketching_Fox Same
Good luck.
I want you so bad to succeed if that is what you have planned.
@Sketching_Fox Book illusion of life by Disney in their prime 2d days it is the bible of animation to this day get your hands on it and you can learn all that walt and his mates knew and go beyond it is a must read for any animator.
When you make it to the big screen, invite us to the first screening.
According to internet forums at the time, the PPG movie bombed for 3 main reasons:
-Released the same weekend as MiB 2
-Released when PPG's popularity was already waning
-CN didn't market the movie all that much and picked shitty showtimes, apparently a lot of people didn't even know it had come out
Such a shame Treasure Planet bombed
Shitty marketing
No Iron Giant?
It still is my favorite marriage of 2D and CG animation.
Why would I bring up Iron Giant?
RebelTaxi it direct by Brad bird who made the mission impossible 4 (2011) and tomorrowland (2015).
Brian Kent Pirrie don’t forget the incredible duoliogy!
That was made by the first division of Warner Bros. Animation and the predecessor of the second division for Warner Bros. Animation called the Warner Animation Group.
Now called Warner bros pictures animation
Still waiting for you to talk about weird Jimmy Neutron episodes
Channel Redefined what weird episodes?
Basil Bonehead all of them
The Pizza is-*Gets hit in the face with a frying pan* Don't.
Basil Bonehead smart sheen pregnant carl and. More lol I love that show
Moana was supposed to be 2D
but the shareholders said no, and it had to be made in CGI instead
luckily they managed to sneak in some 2D goodness with maui's song and his tatoos :D
Frozen was also meant to be 2D originally; now imagine THAT turning point
AFGreeneMachine And Elsa was supposed to be the main villain at the time too. I think it kinda sucks how Disney indirectly faults both PatF and Pooh for wanting to end 2D. It seems like Disney intended to have alternative 2D and 3D releases for their new renaissance at the time, after 2009. But financial and commercialized reasons unfortunately shifted those plans. I felt that could've a turning point too. At least Tangled, WiR, and BH6 had always intended to be CGI productions from the start.
honestly, they changed so much it is not even an adaptation anymore, but rather its own thing
which is why it is a good thing they renamed the story and all of the characters
I know. There were plans of making that movie more like the original Snow Queen story before. Even Walt Disney himself thought about developing a Snow Queen movie, but that idea never really came to fruition. Even some earlier concept arts had Elsa as a villain. So the final movie hardly end up being an adaptation, like OP said.
Mary Poppins Returns had an 2D animated segment... it made me miss 2D animated movies from them again ;_;
I loved the 2d segment in Mary Poppins Returns
I'm still pissed that Dreamworks Me and My Shadow(which was going to be partly in 2-D) hasn't come out yet.
@@jadedheartsz it's actually canceled
So that's what killed Disney 2d animation as a whole: Pixar, Shrek, babies that leads to over saturation of 2d tv based films for themselves, and straight to video or dvd sequels. This is your best video to talk about this most questionable topic so far. Can't wait for your Digimon Retrospective on Digimon Adventure (S1). :)
After hit
After hit
After hit
After Pocahontas
After hit
That sure was a hit to Pocaontas. (Not sorry)
SmolToxin my 24 year old sister still refuses to admit hunchback of Notra dame was a good movie
thecraftykingdom king nooooooooo
I liked Pocahontas, Hercules, and Hunchback as a kid, but I could understand the issues behind them.
thecraftykingdom king Well she's an idiot then
The “be right back” before an actual ad was such a clean transition
I love when that happens
that is clearly banana baby food that he tries to dump on Dill
theres a banana on the label
Kuro Wanwan it was banana peanut butter
Pan isn't the _best_ at researching.
Movies Like Captain Underpants And The Peanuts Movie Being Back Some 2D Animation
I would love for more stylized CG animation like those movies
Peanuts was definitely stylized, but Captain Underpants still felt like a CG film with unique designs and different animated segments. Definitely unique, but I wouldn't quite say stylized.
i know you from BCG
ThePotatoKing
Kind of like the latest Smurf movie. It's clearly 3D, but it moves like flat illustrations instead of trying too hard to look realistic.
As much as I dislike the latest Smurfs movie, I guess that's somewhat true. Something about the movement still feels like an average CG film though, probably because it's going way too freaking fast.
Don't know about anyone else, but that part when Tommy tries to pour the baby food over Dil literally makes me tear up. It always has. It was that emotional for me.
Come at me.
Me too😥
I cry everytime i see that scene, glad im not the only one
2D girls > 3D girls
Facts.
AT Productions RESPEK WOMEN
Why not both? And I also find it amazingly hilarious that this comment had 69 likes. Because... Girls are sexy, am I right or am I right?
AT Productions True dat
mikers You will never get that achievement if you limit yourself to only one. Both or none 😎
Thank your for actually deconstructing the problems with 2D and 3D animation industry instead of being a 2D purist who thinks they know everything about an artform they detest.
Ghostietoastie Reminds me of a situation back in DeviantArt...
You can tell the Nickelodeon movies were serious because they used extra shading
You missed on something else, RebelTaxi, and that was Hey Arnold! The Movie. Originally it was meant to be on television, but a focus group apparently convinced Nickelodeon to throw it on theaters to add to the trend of throwing movies based on TV shows in theaters! Despite having a $3 million budget, it bombed with $15 million (pretty much chump change) and has a 29% Rotten rating on Rotten Tomatoes, obviously thanks to the generic "Save insert place here" story and it's ridiculously faster-than-a-speeding-bullet pacing. Oh, but that was just the tip of the iceberg. Nick pretty much knee jerked and canceled the show because Craig Bartlett had a show on Cartoon Network and couldn't even do what was gonna be the true series finale: the Hey Arnold Jungle TV movie that was finally gonna solve the mystery regarding Arnold's parents!
...but it's coming back in November of this year so there is some hope in this world...as long as it's good and worth waiting for 13 goddamn years!
Other than that, very informative video Rebel! I miss 2D Animation
Thomas Fredrickson
He's also speculating that he might continue hey Arnold, depending how well the jungle movie does.
He is already aware of the situation with why the Jungle Movie did not get made; he explained in a previous video (God only knows which one) that the guy couldn't' sign an exclusivity contract with Nickelodeon due to that CN show, which is why the Jungle Movie never got made...
SymbioteNx379 If Hey Arnold ever did continue on as a show, I would like it to be more geared towards an older audience. Many of the Hey Arnold plots focused around moral dilemmas and subtly hinted at darker elements of a child's life (Helga's parents being abusive and negligent, for example). If the Jungle Movie does well and revives the series, I would love to see the cast grow and tackle more mature issues - show them entering into middle school and high school with issues that apply towards kids of that age range.
Of course, those are very high hopes and I wouldn't expect that direction even if the Jungle Movie did outstanding, but it's a direction I could very well see take off.
Nathan Dohanos Honestly though, why should the show be "darker"?
Shows like Hey Arnold or MLP never needed to be dark or hardcore like Season 5 of Samurai Jack to be good. Yeah Hey Arnold did touch on harsh subjects like Helga being neglected and Arnold being an orphan but what made the show great was how subtle it was. The charm was how relatable it was for kids of all ages. I mean if it isn't broke don't fix it
Carl Bloke I don't necessarily think the show needs to be darker, per se. What I mean is a more natural transition from childhood to adulthood, with more relevant issues popping up. Not anything to the effect of Samurai Jack (though the thought of Arnold slicing people open is amusing), but adding more moral ambiguity. Adding more character depth - maybe have someone like Helga join some sort of clique or gang in high school that's seriously misguided due to her lack of family and Arnold still being oblivious to her crush towards him.
I agree with the "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" mentality to a degree, but if a show like Hey Arnold was revived, I feel like it would have to do something different in order to stay fresh and interesting. Of course, it all comes down to how the show is written in the end. If the writers could continue writing plots that would pertain to those in Arnold's age range, then by all means - go for it. But the sky is the limit when it comes to aging the characters and maturing the scenarios.
I swear if you insult The Spongebob Movie...
He didn't said it was bad. He said the first was better Which is true
Kevin Nozomi Tamura Miyake I really agree with what he said on Sponge out of Water. When I watched it I loved it but the pacing was too fast for a movie. I felt like I was watching a one hour long episode.
Ocean Man i hate the first movie.
oz pardo get out.
oz pardo shut up SHUT THE FUCK UP
Welp, it's happening again. MLP is getting a theatrical release this October, in 2D with 3D environments.
CommanderZaktan 2D characters on 3D backgrounds always bother me with how obvious the CG background is.
The shows actually pretty good for a reboot
The movie itself felt kind of boring, but the animation was amazing. It took a little getting used to, being a casual watcher of the show, but it really looks nice.
Aaaand MLP the Movie was fucking garbage and just hurt 2D films even further.
@@graphitetailgrace3870 Garbage? Mmmmmm... I mean it wasn't amazing, but I don't think it was garbage. Honestly it was one of the better animated films to come out that year.
I have to admit that while I do think 3D animation can look nice 2D has always been my thing. And as for your point about Your Name in Japan it seems as if 3D hasn't really progressed to our extent to mainstream use. And with that I mean it looking as polished normally, because if Berserk 2017 can tell us anything some of it can come out pretty awful.
Anyway, I remember seeing one of the Rugrats films in theaters and probably saw this one as well as a kid. I had forgotten all about it.
WalkingGirlKoi I kinda feel the same way. Though 2D animation has been a big influence on 3D animation, resulting in beautiful works of animated art like Moana and Zootopia. Contrary to popular belief, those who work in computer animation don't hate traditional 2D animation. They are influenced and inspired by it.
WalkingGirlKoi The problem with 3D animation in Japan doesn’t seem so much like a quality crises, it's more of a stylistic one. A lot of anime that contain CG often try to make the CG look like anime, but that often fails miserably. They often try making something look 2D while still treating it like 3D which doesn’t really work. It is possible to make CG look the way they want to, but it's a slow and arduous process that would end up costing a lot of recorces.
Personally I like the second Rugrats film a lot more then the first one.
A lot of "2D" anime actually uses 3D technology to simplify a lot of things such as lighting and basic repetitive animations.
I could argue a lot of those movies could still be enjoyed by people and have genuine effort put into them whether they were 2D or 3D. Then again, Chicken Little and Shark Tale are examples of how not to make 3D movies. They were cash-ins designed to be based off famous things or were trying to rip off something else both in a superficial way. Just because something is 3D, that doesn't make it automatically better and both 2D and 3D adaptations can still be good if the studio people care about what they're making.
I mean films that initially bombed even as far back as the 80s (Secret of NIMH), 90s (Iron Giant) and 2000s (Treasure Planet) have cult followings because of their engaging stories and characters and those were 2D movies. There have been cases where 3D films have outright bombed financially (The Good Dinosaur, Kubo and Delgo). It's entirely unpredictable how a movie's box office will turn out regardless of quality. Studios also have a part in how a movie (panned or loved) could turn out in the advertising (or lack thereof). They may not care about something audiences and critics might love. If anything, the domestic box office has stopped meaning anything when worldwide box offices/reception have sometimes saved movies (for better or worse).
In the end, I say just watch what you want and don't let the box office be an indication of quality because honestly, you might find something worth watching.
MrWarners14 This makes me wish they made theatrical movies based on KND, We Bare Bears, Hi Hi Puffy Amiyumi, Kim Possible, Star vs the Forces of Evil and Gravity Falls. They could pander to the countries those shows were and are still popular at.
Thank you for pointing out how 2D and 3D movies can be good movies. I wish I could marry your comment~
+Dork Whoop
That movie should have been advertised more actually. I did see it in cinemas and it felt like a stop motion anime at points in the movie.
What the fuck nigga chicken Little was a cinema *_M A S T E R P I E C E_*
|Zanot| I also blame Suicide Squad for Kubo's failure. The film was still making tons of money and in the theaters near where I live, it had a lot of showings and lines.
America's dismissal of 2D animation & games in exchange for 3D is like saying "The pig isn't the problem. It's just wearing the wrong makeup."
? I wonder what they plan to do with that pig then...
But that's also your argument for why it should be 2D even if it's not good anyways.
This was actually a good, informative video. Good job, Pan
Rugrats Go Wild came out last
Another great vid, thanks!
CG animation has gotten much better over the years, but still doesn’t illicit all that much of an emotional response in me. It still feels too plastic and slick. Moana came close. It was easily the best result from CG I’ve seen. But then Your Name came out and reminded me how breathtaking and magical 2D animation could be.
I do hope it makes some kind of revival someday.
90s "Yo boi! Let's play Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 on my Dreamcast! Drink Sunny D! & skateboard in the skatepark afterwards to hip hop music!" Early 2000s "Yo dude! Let's play Tony Hawk Underground on my XBOX! Drink Caprisun! & skateboard afterwards to Nu Metal & Pop Punk!"
This is my life
90s was an age of when kids wearing cargo shorts would brag about their N64, PC, PlayStation, or SEGA Dreamcast, drink Sunny D, skateboard, & speak in Hip Hop slang, but then it all ended in the 2000s where Pop Punk & Nu Metal dominated the radio, for older kids to be drinking their energy drinks, play on their EXtr3m3 XBOX, shit talk on XBOX Live or on PC Multiplayer, & still skateboard.
I miss Nu Metal's cheesiness :(
PATRiCKFBi MetalHead
Considering the fact the Dreamcast launched in the US in September of 1999 I'd say that's impressive as fuck to have owned one at the time.
I wanna cry
So basically it came down to.
1. follow the Leader
2. kept making barely above tv quality movies of their tv brands.
3. A HORRIBLE release date in Princess and the Frog's case (Those fuckers went up against James Cameron? Seriously?)
4. I forgot what the 4th thing was, but there was a 4th thing.
Basically it was all incompetence on their part.
I hope that big animation studios come to this realization, It would be very refreshing to see a good 2D film in theaters again.
Great video! Just one thing about the pic used for Yu-Gi-Oh, it's a picture of the 2016 film so I don't really see how it fits the video. I'm guessing you were going to put a picture of Yu-Gi-Oh : The Movie (2004), which would fit what you were talking about.
2D Films adapted from popular TV shows = 💰
2D Films that have an original story, characters, ideas, etc; = 💣
It looks like its the other way around if you watch the video. THose movies caused a movement that caused a lot of them to go bust and isney'd oing great making new things now.
It kind of depends honestly. You can make a great movie based on a TV show. The Spongebob movie was amazing since it pretty much establishes its main characters for both the show and the movie. It's story and narrative is something fans of the show and newcomers can even enjoy.
TheFVguy If Codename: Kids Next Door, Gravity Falls and Star vs. the Forces of Evil were moved to the big screen, not only should they do it like this. They must also watch the Marvel and Studio Ghibli movies as influences.
Mairead Malesco well, look at transformers: the movie
Mairead Malesco unless you are Don Bluth
I'm going to be blunt, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh weren't influenced by Rugrats to make movies, claiming they are is dishonest.
@Dusk Raccoon Just to correct you, that live-action wasn't based on the anime, it was based on the spin-off game, Detective Pikachu. That's like saying the upcoming Sonic the Hedgehog film is based on a cartoon, even though it's really based on the video game series.
Most anime is still 2d, there's a few cgi crap inthe midst but for people who watch season by season like me you know they haven't changedto that yet.
Phineas and Ferb lasted well past Rugrats though and was 2d animated.
@@spydersoup8447 Actually, it's based on the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies. Obviously.
@@thevioletbee5879 Huh. Is this a joke? How could a Pokemon movie be based on Alvin and the Chipmunks? It isn't obvious.
@@spydersoup8447 I was referring to the Sonic movie. And how it has nothing to do with the original character, and focuses more on a human character than the title character(s).
You don't know how much I appreciate how you use RUclips advertisments to your advantage!
"nostalgia is huge so why not bank on it again?"
well we all saw those live action remakes and we all know how well they did...
It's not just 2D that needs to come back it's hand-drawn and coloured 2D animation. Good video.
The Paris movie messed with my heart
Great video! I hadn't seen a video that even addressed this topic, they were all about Pixar and Shrek and how animation is seen as kid's stuff. Thanks for this perspective!
"I'm sure general audiences were demanding a CG Winnie-the-pooh movie"
*Christopher Robin is a 2018 American fantasy comedy-drama film directed by Marc Forster and written by Alex Ross Perry, Tom McCarthy, and Allison Schroeder, from a story by Greg Brooker and Mark Steven Johnson. The film is inspired by A. A. Milne and E. H. Shepard's book Winnie-the-Pooh[6] and is a live-action/CGI adaptation of the Disney franchise of the same name. The film stars Ewan McGregor as the title character alongside Hayley Atwell and the voices of Jim Cummings, Brad Garrett, Nick Mohammed, Peter Capaldi, Sophie Okonedo, Sara Sheen, and Toby Jones. The story follows an adult Christopher Robin as he has lost his sense of imagination, only to be reunited with his old stuffed bear friend, Winnie-the-Pooh.
Plans of a live-action Winnie the Pooh adaptation were announced in April 2015, and Forster was confirmed as director in November 2016. McGregor signed on as Christopher Robin in April 2017 and principal photography began in August of that year in the United Kingdom, lasting until November.
Christopher Robin had its premiere in Burbank, California on July 30, 2018.[7] Released in the United States on August 3, 2018, by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, the film grossed over $197 million worldwide and received mostly positive reviews from critics, with praise for McGregor and Cummings's performances, musical score, and visual effects.[8]*
Ask a kid which movie he wants to see and they will always pick 3D animation. 2D is now seen as below average and Television/online fair only. I don't see it ever returning to the big screen as it would be such a huge risk unless it's something like The Simpson's that almost guarantees success.
I don't know about Nowadays, but I remember back in 5th and 6th grade, thinking 2D animation was so cool and wishing it was used more often.
It's quite a shame really.
what are you talking about? nobody thinks that.
I remember when I was 10-11 years old, and I was wondering why I hadn't seen any handrawn movies since the princess and the frog, only to then later find out disney ditched their cinematic 2d animation. I was heartbroken
Make a review about Mighty B
Renaldo The Geogrophy I forgot that show even existed
Renaldo The Geogrophy that show is so underrated
I remember coming home from school, cracking open a can of Vienna sausages, and watching this show. Good times.
He didn't even mention it in his obscure Nick shows video.
"Gross-out humor doesn't work, even if it's being done by girls. The end."
I remember when Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods came out and the entire movie theatre was packed, it’s almost like people still cared about 2D animated films even back in 2013
"Rugrats was then, what SpongeBob is today."
... except when Rugrats ended, it was still watchable. And, you know, it actually ended.
So, basically, RUGRATS didn't destroy 2D Disney animation, the idea of "popular franchise = money" destroyed it, Rugrats merely got the train flowing.
Also, just an FYI, Rugrats Go Wild is third and Rugrats in Paris is the second film.. you might've been making a joke, but regardless..
I wouldn't say the initial 2 Rugrats films "relied on the brand"; they told the stories the show couldn't do under it's budget and length.. bringing a new character in without rushing it, taking the babies to Paris to help Stu's career and help Chuckie find a mom, these weren't things the show felt it could do on the small screen. And, as a Rugrats fan of over 15 years, I feel they did a damn good job. 'Go Wild' definitely should've been a TV film though, as originally intended.. at least the animation and backgrounds were nice, though
Spongebob is great again dude. Season 9B, 10 and 11 are really good seasons.
MrColeslaw actually rugrats didn't start it it was technically beavis and butthead do america that got the train flowing it was one of the biggest hits of 1996 rugrats did this for the kids movies
@@alfa01spotivo Talking About missing the point, Having two Good seasons doesnt make the bad ones WATCHABLE
ironmaster64 Seasons 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10 and 11 are all good and that means there are only 2 bad seasons.
The soundtrack of RUGRATS IN PARIS (an acronym would make it sound too morbid) was horrific beyond belief and dated the movie. Anything whose soundtrack includes anything from the Lou Pearlman pedo-bilge machine is by definition dated. The SPONGEBOB movies didn't go down that route, mercifully.
Back then, it was considered taboo for a guy to admit liking a show that was geared towards girls which is why the PPG movie fell flat, even though most people who saw the original show knew that it was a show for everybody not just girls. But in this day and age that kind of stuff doesn't really matter anymore. You got My Little Pony bronies, and guys who like shows with softer edges like Adventure Time and Steven Universe. And it's thanks to this change in times that I'm able to admit liking certain shows from my childhood that were geared towards girls like The Winx Club, Magical DoReMi, and Mew Mew Power.
True. I really feel the PPG movie would have done better if it came out now
Rush Maverick while I do agree with you on the fact that guys liking shows that are geared toward girls is more acceptable now I still feel like if you on RUclips and say you like My Little Pony you will most likely be attacked for it versus saying you like the Power Puff girls.
RebelTaxi The film may not be for everyone, but in this climate of CG, I'm interested in seeing on how My Little Pony: The Movie will effect 2D Animation; considering Allspark Pictures miniscule budgets for their films (their most expensive film costing only $9m) and the fact that it'll probably make it's money back from it's Fandom alone.
I remember in high school I was talking about how much I loved The Powerpuff Girls, and one of my friends just could not stop mocking me for it. Even though I'm pretty sure he watched it as a kid too.
AT Productions I grew up watching W.I.T.C.H. on Jetix and neither am I.
"No offence to all 3 fans of Teacher's Pet" None taken
can't believe Pan forgot the Bevis and Butt head movie
Mai I think that was before Rugrats.
You have NO idea how much I miss good looking 2D animation. When Disney made movies out of 'Doug', 'Recess', and 'Teacher's Pet', it really broke my heart because Disney use to be know for their high quality animation, and those movies had VERY sub par animation by comparison! Even the 'Disney Afternoon' shows had better animation quality than these other movies mentioned above. I would've preferred another 'DuckTales' movie, A 'Rescue Rangers' movie, or a 'Darkling Duck' movie instead, but that didn't happen. (At least 'A Goofy Movie' got made, and it had high quality animation.) Also, Disney was bringing their 'tween girl' junk like 'Lizzie McGuire', 'Hanna Montana', and 'High School Musical' to the big screen, and that infuriated me to no end because I those those properties were cheap, pandering crap, that only catered to 'glittering vampire obsessed belibers' and were unworthy of the 'Disney' name (Hey, you can trust the 'Disney' name. with 'Hanna Montana' Oh wait, NO YOU CAN'T! Miley came in LIKE A WREEEECKING BAAAAAAAAL!) If 'Home On The Rang', or 'Princess & The Frog' did better at the box office, maybe Disney would continue to make 2D animation, and the other studios might give 2D animation another chance.
Marc Baker This makes me wish Disney TV Animation could make theatrical movies based on Kim Possible, Gravity Falls and Star vs. The Forces of Evil. They could make these films alongside the main feature animation studio for the sake of high quality animation (not unlike A Goofy Movie).
Or at least make a separate label for them, but still provide high quality animation so that they don't look cheap.
I know this comment is outdated but I must say I personally disagree about Teacher's pet, I think it's actually one of the better films that came out during that trend, but it bombed because the show was cancelled before it was finished. Making a theatrical movie on such an obscure series wasn't a smart move however, but Disney saw potential because the show won emmys. But with Doug and Recess I do agree, not that they were bad, but felt like they just could had gone straight to video. I still really miss 2d animated movies even those lower budget ones Disney was putting out at the time... It's really a shame Disney canned that theatrical Phineas and Ferb movie. With all the cgi in cinemas now that would had been a breath of fresh air.
@@Launchpad05 I have a perfect name for it: Disney Movietoons. It'll also be a name for a shared cinematic universe of theatrical animated film versions of Disney shows, not unlike the Toho Godzilla/MonsterVerse movies.
@@CatDogDexterMan20 I'd kill for a DuckTales 2017 movie, an Amphibia movie, a Owl House movie or a Big City Greens movie....
I genuinely did not know Teacher's Pet started out as a cartoon first. I thought it was some B-list Disney original movie that spawned its own cartoon later on. I only knew that name from a Pokemon DVD I had.
I’ve seen this video so many times. And every single time I agree on every point. It’s such a great video that, doesn’t matter if you like Pan or not, you need to watch it if you like/want to get into animation.
The Powerpuff Girls movie was going to help create a Samurai Jack movie and Ed Edd n Eddy movie too.
Ratchetcomand At least we got Big Picture Show
Spoonseria and Season 5
Noah Fessenden True. For both EEnE and SJ
okay but “you don’t need a license to drive a sandwich” is iconic
With the My Little Pony movie coming out later this year and The Loud House Movie set for 2020, I wonder how they're going to upgrade the 2D flash animation like they usually do with such movies and how it's going to translate to the big screen.