The BEST Way to Fix Small Record Holes - Plus a Rant
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I have found that a 9/32 drill bit (by hand) works great on tight holes. You can pick one up for $3 to $5 bucks or less!
I love that record reamer! I became aware of it a couple of years ago, but as it’s a tool that (hopefully) you rarely need, I added it to a “down the road” cart (a few times, actually). Ultimately, I finally pulled the trigger, and have been singing its praises (mostly to myself) ever since. Whenever I’m cleaning records, I pull it out to be at the ready. Most of the time it just sits quietly loitering around, but when I try to place a record onto the spindle of my record doctor and encounter resistance, it rights proverbial record ships in mere seconds. I just love the thing.
Same. The company should strike up a deal with turntable manufacturers to include it with new turntables.
By accident, I had a round file that was the perfect fit and if I say perfect fit I mean PERFECT. I just push it in and pull it out once and voila. Needless to say, that file never went back to the garage, it is now part of my vinyl 'kit'
perfect!
Oh man, that first 12 seconds hurt my soul. I picked up a Record Reamer , the Stable 33.33 a few years ago. It works great. I can’t recommend it enough. I’ve only needed to use it a few times so far but when you need it, you need it. Worth the cost in my opinion.
It really is a cool little tool. I always get frustrated when encountering a small hole and although the screwdriver works it was never the safest solution.
Just come across your posts. Well done, I've enjoyed your observations and comments, great tone to your reviews. Please keep them coming. I have just heard the Pro Ject X2 B with its corresponding preamp the Phono Box RS2. This combination has forced me to realign my projected expenditure on turntables. I now think that this is so excellent that i may never need to spend on higher end turntables. Maybe a goal for your forthcoming reviews!?!😊
Thanks, Caroline! I'm a fan of Pr-o-Jects gear too. I haven;t yet had a chance to hear the X2 B - I should see if I can 🍺
Thanks Rick good video.
I am 68, and got my first record in ‘67, before that listened to some of my parents stuff, on the old Sears Silvertone console. You are right, the record hole thing being too tight, is something I have noticed within the last 10 years. As far as the shaming goes, some of those vinyl turntable groups on facebook can be brutal. You know I have a fluance RT85 and I am very happy with it, plays the music and sounds good to my ears, so I am happy with it. Heaven forbid I would mention that in one of the groups, because it is not an audiophile deck.
The groups and forum are toxic at times. The Fluance is a great TT too 🍺
Best thing to do with negative comments - heart them and comment back - hopefully they will leave another bad comment - and repeat - and all this = Triggering the YT algorithm, YT sees that your videos have lots of comments and engagement - and then shares the video with more viewers! There is no such thing as a bad comment!
Great idea!
I usually just tell them they have a peculiar manner of communicating. One time somebody even responded to that and said I had a point and that he’d change his manners in the future
Been using one of those devices for a couple of years and love it. It’s basically the price of a record, maybe 2 by. If it was a little cheaper I would be giving them out as gifts to friends that are into the hobby :) great video as always :)
Thank you, Phil!
I have two record reamers because I bought one and received another with a new turntable and I love them. I keep it next to my turntable, and use as needed knowing that I won’t accidentally over-enlarge the hole, causing other problems. I thinks it’s worth every penny.
Thank you for your kind words.
That intro felt as if "The Shining" and "Body Double" movies had a child together.
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I'm gonna have to check out that site. I've always just used...ok brace yourself...a steak knife. Love your videos and the down to earth approach to enjoying records. Cheers!!
I'm sure I was tempted to grab a knife too at some point 😂
I bought a reamer on Amazon for a few bucks and when needed I do it slow and gentle from both sides until it fits well.
But you’re absolutely right, it happens enough that I thought a tool would be useful to own. 1/10 new records (esp 180g as you noted) roughly seem to have this issue for me.
My “solution” could make the hole way bigger than needed if you go to crazy with it, so while it is cheaper, that’s the drawback. It’s usually not off by THAT much, I just go slow and make a few twists.
That's what I was always a little concerned with when using the screwdriver - the chance of making the hole bigger was always there
Great video! I will certainly check out the "reamer". Yup, at the end of the day its all about the music/experience, regardless of the $$ spent on the gear. Thanks and I'm looking forward to your next video!
Thank you!
I bought one like 2 years ago and its fantastic
I’m glad I have it. Nice to know it’s quick, easy and effective.
I guess I've been pretty lucky. I've only had a couple of records where the hole was a little too tight. I did the pencil thing to fix mine. Another idea could be to just use a comparable size drill bit and work it like the pencil without using the power drill. I do agree that this was never a problem 40 years ago. So it must be a new phenomenon. Now, about the rude commenter. I guess some people must feel superior to everyone else and feel compelled to share their opinion in a put down. You are correct that this is about listening to music. Not everyone can afford expensive equipment. It's more revealing about the person making the comment than anything else. Who anointed them as the sole expert on how to listen to vinyl? Gimme a break. 😂 keep doing what you're doing!!!
That, or a hand reamer which is even easier to reach hole size due to its gradual taper.
Thanks Neil. Your drill bit use is somewhat similar to what I did with my old screwdriver.
I’ve been using a technical pencil for more than 35 years. It’s a cheap and easy solution, just apply an minimum of pressure while pushing the metal pencil point into the spindle hole and your problem is solved! No way am i gonna pay 60 bucks for some one trick pony to replace my technical pencil which lasts a lifetime :)
I was thinking the same thing. I know their scale of production is probably quite small, but when I can currently buy a Wera multi-bit torque screwdriver on Amazon for $67, this seems way too steep.
I am ordering one right now. Good rant. I have faced the same issue on my channel.
Cheers! 🍺
I haven’t noticed the spindle hole problem on more than 2 or 3 records in a collection of 700 of which 10% are new. I am with the round file solution but can appreciate the benefits of the little reamer. I smiled at the cartridge snob. You know I am a Rega fan, my first turntable was a Rega 1 Plus with a £25 cartridge supplied by Rega. The deck has been the UK’s press choice of entry level deck for multiple years. Rega make cartridges in the multiple £’000s yet they are still happy to put their name to a really cheap cartridge. I have now gone down the upgrade path and have a MC Ania cartridge on a Planar 6 but do I know anything more about vinyl records . . . . We both know the real answer to that😅😅
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This is literally the best thing I ever bought!!! especially as a fellow Thorens user, Thorens spindles are a tiny bit larger... The company that I unfortunately need to use this the most with is acoustic sounds, they do amazing pressings but there spindle hole size is not Thorens friendly.
Hello fellow Thorens user! It really is a lifesaver. Takes away all the frustration of other methods.
Hi man, nice video! I like the focus you have given to your channel. In my experience and for the spindle hole issue, it also matters what turntable you have. The issue of tight spindle holes became more of a thing when I upgraded to a thorens table. My previous tables, vintage philips, akai and a new pioneer, had thinner spindles.
Great fix and I might try the screwdriver method.
You're onto something there. My main turntable is a Thorens.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords thanks! I checked the fora and it goes around that Thorens players were designed with a ‘better grip, better sound’ idea where the spindle is a few microns thicker than usual. Wouldn’t have looked this up without your video so thank you for that :)
@@bestuurdvsgroningen3603 Good to know!
Oddly, I do have older records where the hole was too tight. I've an original 4AD of Surfer Rosa, for example, which I bought shortly after release and which needed the hole enlarged.
I've had good success with a needle-nose pliers in the past, just enough turns to keep the fit snug, as it's better to be a little on the tight side than to overdo it!
Exactly - an overly enlarged hole is a problem as well
Harbor Freight sells a T handle reamer for around $4 that works really well for this. Just be mindful not to ream out the hole too much!
Tight spindle holes have been a problem for years especially on U.S.A. pressings. I use an old BIC six-sided plastic body ball point pen body that I filled with resin to the pointed hole to open the hole. The problem is usually the paper label overlapping over the hole. There is also a Canadian spindle hole drill that works well but it is expensive.
Thanks Peter!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords YW.
I only have a couple of tight spindle hole LP's so I'm not sure I need it. Cart shaming?? I have 8 different carts that I rotate on my channel now and they all have a different sound that I enjoy with each one. 2 of them are MC carts and I've had MC carts in the past, but I used them with an amp that had an internal preamp with MM and MC settings. The main drawback with MC carts are their cost compared to MM carts. My new Sumiko Blue Point No. 3 MC cart is a winner for its price of $499. I use a Reisong step up transformer that I bought on eBay and it works great. I recently saw a video from Steven Guttenberg stating that using a step up transformer sounds better than using a preamp that has MC settings. I did my own test using my Schiit Mani 2 and I do have to agree the sound is better, but most people may not even notice the difference.
I saw the same video that Steve put out. I looked up that old SUT he showcased at the beginning. Cool little device.
Where to begin... Yes, MC cartridges is next level. But I truely love the AT3600. Yet MC has more open and faster sound. And they don't have to be expensive as I already explained. And I love my old transformer. I'm so glad I never sold it. Even with my really good phonostage (Gold Note) it's much better than the MC input. More fluid and extended.
That reamer is a good gadget. But so far I only ever cleaned up a hole a couple of times with 10k records. I simply use my Victorinox pocket knife. Its usually just a burr that needs to be removed.
Dont forget the msg I sent visiting your site. MC on low budget but great performance.
I don't recall if you mentioned the SUT you use?
So about two weeks ago I found Shure M97xE old new stock at The Guitar Center for $99 ea Those were disco'd in 2018. So I bought 2 and shared my findings on a turntable page I follow on FB. There were only a few, but the cartridge shamers showed up. Get over yourselves.
I'll never understand that.
I have the same cartridge. To me its output isn’t as strong as an Ortofon 2m red or blue. I have it on a spare headshell if I ever want to play it. Still has the original stylus. I would love to find an original stylus for a V15 type 5 with microridge stylus.
Hi Rick,
When you purchase a MC cart, let me know how it works with the Tavish without a step-up transformer. Joe
Will do!
I've had the same issue with undersized holes and I've been using a ¼" driver bit. The hex measures .250" but .285" across corners, and since the spindles on my two turntables check .281" it works to clear the burrs when inserted and twisted from both sides. Quick and easy and didn't cost anything so give it a try.
As for cartridges, I am just as happy with my Audio-Technica VM95ML/H moving magnet (which includes the headshell) for $200 as I am with my Audio-Technica OC9XML moving coil that cost $600. I will admit that I am over the super critical listening phase of my life, but I think a lot of people are going way overboard on this stuff. As for a step up transformer I guess if your phone pre-amp can't handle low output moving coils it might make sense, but I'm just afraid this might evolve into the next must have accessory.
I had someone recommend the OC9XML recently. They love it.
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Yeah, that might have been me as it's a good one. I'd like to try others like Hana or the Soundsmith moving iron cartridges, but I don't know if it would be worth the expense with my aging ears.
Gently removing excess plastic with scalpel-trying to touch the label-usually works perfect.
I always use a reamer from my shop. Just a light tickle on both sides always did the job. About the other stuff, thanks for the info. 😂😂😂
Cheers, William! 🍺
I have a very rare 78 RPM record of My Baby by the Swallows. I wonder if it’ll work on the spindle hole 78 are very fragile.
It might - but I would be nervous about that too.
I have records old and new that have been tight. I don't care about it though, tight record holes don't hurt anything.
Agreed. I do not see the big thing about the record being tight. Play it a couple of times and no more issue. Why would I spend money on a rip off product
For spindle holes I have a rolled up piece of 400 grade wet and dry paper that I Use to open up the hole to the right size. the problem is having to clean the record afterwards( a can of compressed air helps). It is not just holes! I have stopped buying special editions(records) from one metal production house because I was sick and tired of getting warped records from them( of editions that I ordered well in advance and were of course sold out when I discovered the issue). What really annoyed me is each time I was told its caused by the record being taken out before its cooled down enough. This happened several times and what got me is they knew it was an issue but we not interested in fixing it. A hint for those who are curious who it might be... is a line from Apocalypse now, that starts with "I love the smell......"
I know exactly who you mean, Ian. 🍺
I had a moving coil cartridge from Denon and one from Sumiko. I prefer the sound of my NOS Stanton 681EEE better.
From what I've read, the Stanton 681EEE is supposed to have a very warm vintage sound
A few seconds turning the tip end of the blade of a pocket knife inside the hole always solved the problem for me. What's even worse than that is some of these high end audio interconnects that are so tight that you have to use serious manly force to push the connecter onto the rca terminals. You can actually feel something giving inside the component from the force needed. That's something not only inconvenient, but could potentially ruin your equipment. So if you see a used component with a sunk in rca terminal, don't necessarily assume it was accidentally dropped. Sonically, a tighter clamplike hold on the rca terminal improves sound quality, and sone all out interconnect makers know that.
The comment from the guy you deleted was either someone showing off that they had moving coil, or someone wanting to show they are a more "serious" advanced audiophile, or wanting to express and tell the world how much greater moving coill cartridges are. Moving magnet cartridges in my experience always lack that effortlessness that can fool your ear into thinking you are listening to real instruments. It's just that little lack of ttansient speed that keeps them from being convincingly real on most passages. Most of the music IS transients. They also don't sound as convincingly 3D as a good moving coil. Harry Pearson the former editor of The Absolute Sound and by far the most influential audio person ever, said that only moving coil cartridges have real transparency. I personally have never heard really top moving magnet cartridges like the Clearaudio Charisma, if they still make that model, but the physics are against them, with a relatively heavy magnet at thend of the cantilever.
I'm still looking at which MC to start with - and also an SUT with a low form factor.
If I was just getting into moving coil cartridges, I would at least consider a NOS medium output MC cartridge from the past. It would be cheaper than a $1,200 Hana ML and an SUT. The first moving coil cartridge that really astonished me was a circa 1983 Audioquest 404 cartridge. It had high enough output to just use the normal moving magnet section of a preamp or integrated. The editor of The Absolute Sound (HP) was impressed enough to rank it above the Koetsu Black, which was the darling of the high end audio world around 1980. I heard the Audioquest 404 on a turntable which was demonstrated in my own home. It had everything I liked; beautiful tone colors, transient speed, detail, openness and more warmth than usual for an MC cartridge. I have seen some NOS ones on ebay for around $400. I could be wrong, but a great cartridge 40 years ago is still a great cartridge today. I did not like the Sumiko Blue Point MC cartridge later in the 1980s. But was really impressed with their $1,200 top of the line Sumiko Virtuoso Dti. Later in the same late 1980s/ early 1990s, the Audioquest 7000 was considered the best MC cartridge ever. The Monster Cable Alpha 2 high output cartridge was supposed to be great too. Of course both Audioquest & Monster Cable stopped making phono cartridges. Although I think they were made in Japan and rebadged with their name. I think medium and high output MC cartridges, while not the ultimate, are still likely to be better than moving magnets. I bought 8 used cartridges around 10 years ago on ebay. Honesty in seller description really is a factor. I also bought 2 NOS ones. The 2 NOS ones were fine, and 7 of the 8 used cartridges were also fine. The Audio Technica OC9 series was well respected. Probably not a Hana ML, but you might be able to get one for 1/3 the price. I know someone who had an Ortofon Black MM circa 8 years ago, and he also had the second from the totl Audio Technica cartridge, from the series that preceeded the OC9 series, and he said it was definitely a better sounding cartridge than the Ortofon Black. Forgot the exact prefix, but it was something like the Audio Technica ATF 5. The top of the line from that series was the ATF 7. I see NOS ATF 5 on ebay sometimes for around $300. Audio Technicas have really nicely polished diamond styluses of of good quality. The only things you might not like with MC cartridges is sometimes the tracking is not quite as good and often less warmth than MM cartridges.
The Denon 103R might be an MC cartridge that can run with $1,000 models at over 1/3 its price.
I made one using a $2.75 wood handle and 9/32 stubby drill bit. Drilled out the handle with a K size bit and pushed the stubby on. The 9/32 bit matches my two turntables and fit in LP holes with a tight fit. I also bought a 7.3mm bit but it was longer than the stubby and was larger than what seemed correct. My calipers measured these approx. 0.2810 inches. I don't recall which LPs had the tight fit so I haven't verified. With the stubby bit you can place the bit extension from the handle. I put it at 3/4 inch which may be too much.
OK, this is not as nice as the one on this video. At about $9.50, will hopefully do. I don't know if the actual diameter is correct and if the bit will just bite and not make a mess of the hole.
I'm off to find those tight LPs.
Awesome! 🍺
Neat little gadget. I use a small rat tail file, insert it until snug and twist about one revolution and done. sits in the drawer. Just like the screwdriver it was in the tool box already and hardly ever gets used so I consider that a freebie.. Nothing against the gadget it just seems pricey. Love most of your vids, this one I'd rather use the money for a record.
I completely understand that 🍺
That wasn't nice with the cart shaming. I collect cartridges and most are, in fact, vintage moving magnets. I have long stopped caring whether a given cart is a moving magnet or a moving coil (or something else such as moving iron). Honestly. The cart is either musical or it is not. Period. As long as you have a flexible phono stage then it is great to be able to switch back and forth.
I do have a a couple phono stages which can support either MM or MC, but the one I am using now doesn't. Can't wait to talk about the new one however.
Most of my records fit the spindle hole fine but I’ve found a metal letter opener works every time if the hole is too small.
Just order it
Yup. 180g. I bought the Verve edition Getz/Gilberto coming up on a year ago. I used a pairing knife. Carefully inserted until contact and turned it slowly with as little pressure as possible a few times left and right. Voila! Don't try this at home kids.
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The so called improvement of MC vs MM is vastly overstated.
There is nothing wrong with a good MM. Plus stylus renewal is easy. With MC you need to remove the cartridge and either send it off to be re tipped, or replace the whole thing when the stylus is shot.
Also what the MC guys often fail to acknowledge is the chance of an increased noise floor due to the low output and high gain needed with MC, or the also overlooked step up transformer which may or may not be a requirement.
With the new phono stage I've been using I will need a SUT. It never ends...
A round file or rat tail file works better than drill bit . It's still easy to overdo it so go slow
Regarding the album hole too small. I use very fine grit sandpaper (180 grit or higher) or plumbers sand cloth. Cut it about 1” x 3/4”. Tightly roll up the 3/4” length so that it will fit inside the album hole. You will need to hold onto the 1” length. Spin the sandpaper in the hole a few rotations and check the album hole for fit. Keep doing until the hole opens up to required size. Works well every time.
Great advice, Allan!
I use a small needle file, which cost about $1 - and my files are always (well, almost always) stored in their proper place 🙂. Talking of cartridges, I've used a number over the years, including MC... and sometimes I just plug in my cheap AT3600L and wonder at how astonishingly good it is for the price! (Oh, and whenever we comment on a RUclips, surely it should be with the aim of adding constructively to the discussion and trying to make things better or just nicer for people, right? I simply don't get the mentality of those who just like to be nasty or put people down who are trying to do good things.)
I agree Alan - I'll never understand the need to put someone down
You can gently file down the sides of the hole using the filing stick off of a $1 fingernail clipper from Dollar Tree.
this is a solo journey. Any advice, like yours. is welcome but be ofencive for nothing is tacky, you did right deleting the nonsense.
Cheers! 🍺
Man, when I did a video on that wonderful device the hate came from every direction. People are insane.
Hey! Good to see you! How’s the ankle?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsI’m at eight weeks in. Wearing a boot now. Some days are better than others. I think I turned the corner last week, but I’ve got another month ~. It is an ankle, three bones. It’s been insanely slow.
@@aa5az423 I can't imagine. It seems like ages ago that it happened.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords it does in some ways. My mother broke her ankle when she was about 40, 40 years ago. She had a series of casts for a whole year. I can't fathom it.
Thanks for asking, tho!
ouch that hurt re the opening section
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Is this really a problem? Maybe the problem is not the record, but the record players trying to be too precise on the spindle diameter. I have been buying lots of 180g records and have not had the problem yet on my Audio Technica turntable. I do notice the extra static that pulls up the platter mat with 180g records.
I wish it wasn't a problem. I'm glad you're not experiencing it. Sometimes it makes me wonder if it's a thing with certain TT models.
That extra static with 180g drives me nuts - I know exactly what you mean - I actually did a video about that too.
I have plenty of albums that I bought in the 70s that have small spindle holes.
Definitely NOT a recent phenomenon.
That device is worth maybe $5.
The web site you bought that from will also gladly sell you a place to put a record for $80.
As PT Barnum said, There's an audiophile born every second!!
You're most certainly not wrong about it not being only a recent phenomenon. The example I used in the video was actually a 1970s pressing of Fleetwood Rumours.
a dremel with an oval tip bit whill smoothe out those holes without making the too big
There's so much gatekeeping. "You're using a terrible preamp!" "What do you mean, you only spent $186 on your new cartridge? You're cheaping out!" "Crosleys suck!" (well...SOME gatekeeping is understandable!)
The important thing is: do *you* enjoy listening via your setup? Yeah? Then fine. Do you WANT it to sound better? Fine - try an upgrade and see if it suits your desires. But if you're happy with what you have, why should someone else have a problem? Not all ears are the same.
You’ve nailed it right there. Exactly!
I use a 44 magnum 225 grain
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It’s too tight….
That’s what she said! 😆
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I have been on audio forums for the last 3 years and I found that many of the audiophiles are spoiled rich arrogant people who look down on people who have inferior equipment to theirs. If I had to choose who to sit next to on a plane or in a lifeboat, audiophiles would be way down on my list. This and Erin's audio corner are the only audio channels with real, kind humans.
I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences. But most audiophiles I know or met are usually well educated kind people. Generous too. Always ready to help you, share a meal or give extras away. That's when buying 2nd hand stuff.
I think you mean snobs who claim to be audiophiles. Why does the word 'audiophile' always have to be dragged through the mud?
Erin seems like a real good guy
@@Jeep_on_audio I may have been unclear. I met a lot of great people too, generous friendly and smart. But some - maybe "many" is misleading - are what I described.
I HAVE FOUND, THAT WITH A SMALL POCKET KNIFE AND A LITTLE TURNING INTO THE HOLE IT HAS BEEN SOLVED
Small center hole is not that of a problem at all imo.
a OUT of center hole - now that is a real problem right there.
I haven't run into off-center holes yet but I know others have. No fixing that!
Use a flat head screwdriver & just rub inside the whole
I can think of an even SIMPLER solution to this little problem.........make the damn holes the right size to begin with! This is a case of defective merchandise, plain and simple.
Yep! It sure is, Alex.
I need this for my copy of Brontosaurus by The Move. It's a 45, but a "solid-centre" UK pressing, so it does not have a large hole or the piece you can punch out to make the hole big. And I am not trying to put it in a jukebox or anything. The hole is too small for a standard spindle.
I love that you deleted the comment. I don't get why more creators don't just delete nasty comments. Why give those people a voice on your videos? They can make their own if it is that important for them to attack you. I love the idea of someone making the effort to write a nasty comment and eagerly anticipating the reaction (which is what they are really after), only to hear nothing. They must end up feeling unimportant. I sure hope so.
I often wonder if they wait for a response or just move on and forget that they did it. I'd like to think the silence bothers them.
How about if the record companies buy those instead and give them to their QA people instead of shipping records that aren't finished.
Now that's a marvelous idea!
When you invest hundreds, if not thousands, on your vinyl, why not buy the $50.00 tool and be done with it. The 33.33 is excellent...
Completely agree with you there! 🍺
We won't talk about the Flux Hifi Turbo 2.0 handheld vacuum I have getting rid of stray cat hair.
@@jaycoleman8062 😂😂
just use a bic round stic pen apply a good amount of pressure to the spindle hole on both side of the record.just about everybody has one around avoid pencil shaving and paying $50 - 60 for another over priced vinyl accessory.
Bics are good for everything it seems. Especially reeling in an unspooled cassette tape
I get so tired of equipment bigots. Enough so that I am distancing myself from certain Facebook groups that have too many bigots who insult newbies like myself.
Forums can be the worse too
Those high level audiophiles are... annoying lol.
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