OG RUclipsrs getting together and dissecting their careers and their scandals together, in a healthy and mature conversation. No one talking over eachother, and just two grown ups having a genuine conversation. I love this. 💜
As a 26 year old who’s been through a lot of difficulties with depression and substance abuse, hearing this conversation could not have come at a better time. Thank you both for this 💕
One step at a time, sweetheart. You’ve got this. You are WORTH IT, you are WORTH every good thing life has to offer. You deserve love, you deserve happiness, you deserve sobriety, you deserve dignity, you deserve respect. I may not know you, but this stranger is rooting for you. ❤️
I really feel you , beauty 🥺🙏🏻😇 I'm really going through it myself & it's really hard rn. To me I'm at the place like Tati said I have to make a choice it's now or never ,- came out of the hospital 4 weeks ago with a hard pneumonia & my Blood % level was at 4% so to be honnest I should not have been here today ,- now I got the pneumonia back again , but I'm still home & have made the desission I want to live , but it's a long go ... I waited way to long before I called the doctor ,- I'm so afraid of nidles , bloodwork & all that kinds of stuff so I put myself so hard down & my wight was running off like crazy in those 3 weeks so I went down to 79 pounds & I'm 175 cm high 🥵😭 I'm so proud of you & I'm sure you got this & I think you have a lot of amazing things comming your way 🙏🏻😇 You're not alone & this video couldn't come at a better time 💯💕👏🏼💝 Wishing you the best & remember you only deserves the best om life 💯🙏🏻💝 Thank you So much for sharing ,- This is my first time sharing this & I'm so thankful for this video & honesty 🥺😥🙏🏻💝 TYSM to both Michelle you did amazing & same to you @glamlifeguri 👏🏼🙏🏻😇💞 Lots of love out there to everyone 💞
I remember when Michelle was on her break Tati's launch party was the only beauty community event that she attended. Tati has always regarded Michelle as her biggest RUclips inspiration.
I think in some ways her haters did darken her a tad. Everytime she got real constructive criticism from her viewers and got called out for certain things, she never owned up to the facts and then from then on she controlled her comment section hard. But you'd know this if you were a true fan from the beginning of her RUclips career and been there through all the years. I'm just saying, she created some of that darkness herself and sometimes humans need to own up to it and take partial blame.
Just what I thought I could not love her anymore. She opens up about sobriety. I’m coming up on 14 years clean and sober. It was the hardest decision I’ve ever made the absolute best decision I ever made so good job Tati. I’m so proud of you.
She was obviously always human but for those who have struggled or known people who have struggled with addiction - it feels like she truly sees us, she's one of us, she understands. Wow
Hearing Tati open up and share about her 20’s had me breaking down; I’m almost 28, and I’ve been so critical of myself throughout my 20’s. Dealing with the inner critic, comparison, depression. The whole gambit. Thank you Tati for being so vulnerable; your experiences are not just a wisdom, but a healing all at once. I love you 💕.
Two icons. Great first episode. Tati shared so much that truly shocked me. I know she’s talked about struggling growing up but actually overdosing and ending up in rehab? Holy shit. That takes struggle to a whole new level. Love you so much Tati. Love you Michelle.
Right, she's the last person I would have thought would have went through that! The others? Sure. But Tati? 😮. Just goes to show, we can't assume anything about anyone
This is just going to turn into a drama channel with the facade of being "ground breaking" and "inspiring". This is so disappointing. I was excited to see Michelle back... 😕
i’m only five minutes in and i’m sobbing. i spent my whole morning crying and feeling so bad about myself and hearing tati say she felt so behind, and knowing how her story played out… wow
I’m only 10 minutes, but wow. I did not expect to hear that Tati OD. It’s insane cause you could never expect that from someone that appears so put together like her. She’s truly inspiring, can’t wait to finish the rest.
Michelle, thank you for having Tati on. And Tati, if you read this, thank you for helping me learn how to do my 6 year old little girls’ makeup for ballet. And for your reviews- I buy my wife lash princess mascara every year as a stocking stuffer at your recommendation. I hope Tati beauty comes back and you release a “Holy Smokes” palette that I can buy for her. I am a 40 year old straight male who has been watching Tati for years- I always assumed she grew up wealthy and born with a silver spoon. It adds so much more to my respect for her knowing that she struggled and succeeded. She is my relaxation time creator, like a warm hug.
@@MichellePhan I should mention that your voice is a warm hug as well. I am subscribing and can’t wait to see what wonderful other people you invite on.
Strangely enough a lot of people assumed she grew up wealthy and had wealth when she met James. Idk where that comes from but I do think it might be because Tati was always able to pull herself together in a sophisticated way.
@tobiasdeutsch563 Wow, what a beautiful comment! I love that! A straight man learning to do his daughters makeup...this is so heartwarming to me. ❤ I also love Tati so so much and I never understood why people judged her. She's easy to love but very hard to dislike in my opinion. Sending my best wishes from Cologne/Germany. ❤
I’m 7 minutes in. Usually hearing someone talk about how rough their 20s were doesn’t inspire me much. But I damn near cried hearing Tati talk about how rough life was for her. At 15/16 yrs old, as a pill addict, I didn’t see myself making it to 18. Was involuntary admitted to the psych ward at 15. Moved away from home at 17. Then 18 came & went. At 18, I didn’t see myself making it to 21. Age 19 started 3 yrs of alcoholism. 21 came & went. From 19-22, people who caught on that I was a high-functioning alcoholic warned me I was gonna k*ll myself or someone else. At 22, I got pregnant with my one & only. The day I found out, I decided it all had to stop. Against my OBs better wishes, I stopped drinking, instead of weening myself. Pills, aside from what was necessary, stopped. Smoking weed & whatever was given to me stopped. I took 3 wks to ween myself of smoking cigs, as to not send my body into complete & total shock. At 23, I gave birth. Postpartum was rough, mentally. At 28, I decided it was time for college. My son doesn’t deserve a life barely living paycheck to paycheck. In June of this year, a month before my 29th bday, I moved us over 1300 miles to start over & I’m currently in my 4th term of college. Overall mentally, I’m doing much better. Some days are rough. But, I keep telling myself it HAS to get easier eventually.
Hi, you are awesome. Suggest you take up pilates and sauna to strengthen an conti ue to detox. Unconsciously old toxic behaviors hold you back and these help you release unknown forces.
Hugs and congratulations to you! I know how hard it is - I saw my daughter struggle and went through her ups and downs. She didn’t make it, so when I hear of a person who was able to get past it, I have to tell them to be strong and keep going. I hope you find the joy and happiness you deserve. ❤
Tati truly is the definition of picking yourself up and brushing it off. Her story really is quite inspiring, yes she started off struggling, but she really kept picking herself up to get where she is now. As someone who struggles with major depressive disorder, it's really motivating hearing someone else who struggled and got through it. It just demonstrates to me that we really can overcome our challenges. She shared and became, in a way a voice for us who struggle with mental illnesses, addictions, and such. Overcoming such things is definitely no easy feature. She's such a strong and wise person. ♡
I really like what Michelle said, "You might be a villain in someone else's story" - And that we have to accept that. Truth. I wouldn't have seen it that way in my younger years at all - I would have done whatever I had to in order to make others see my "goodness". But now, in my fifties, not so much. The acceptance of what you actually have control over & what you don't is much more peaceful!
Waitttt, tati is such a good speaker! No awkwardness at all. I know she is from her videos but its amazing to see a conversation between two people form
As a woman who grew up in the late 2000s and early 2010s, you two are the only content creators I have stayed subscribed to and have influenced my life in ways you'd never imagined. You are both amazing, just great people.
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.zachary3 I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
As someone who survived multiple overdoses in my 20s and didn't know why i did when many of my friends and my husband didn't - this gives me hope. Thank you Tati for opening up about this. I've been so drawn to you the last few years and never really thought it was just makeup, and i think this makes sense as to why. I have 8 years sober and I'm grateful for life today and surviving. I'm glad you gave this part of your life to others, bc it helps and it can save others. Thank you ❤️
Tati’s strength and resilience is so inspiring and groundbreaking. It feels unreal that this human can exist, that we are capable of this. She is so wonderful and I’m in awe. Such a brilliant episode!
Tati is one of my favorite RUclipsrs......I love that she shared her story about sobriety....I hit my bottom when I was 29 and by the grace of God, have been sober for 23 years. There is no shame in where we came from.....they make us who we are today 🙂
Crying throughout this entire podcast. I didn't think I could admire Tati even more than I already did. Two legends having such a raw and honest conversation. ❤
I never expected to see these two OGs sitting and chatting together, but this was very cool! I definitely respect Tati sharing those stories about her pre-RUclips life.
I think a lot of people can relate to what Tati said about her dark moment. Same crisis here, not overpartying nor overdosing, but isolating and falling in depression; same reasons, losing a job I believed in, a boyfriend who cheated on me. Thinking in my thirties I was too old for change the trajectory of my life, but in the darkest moment I find somewhere in me the courage to do what I always want and always thought was a dream, challenging myself with my last money and strength, leaving for the country I always dreamed of. Now looking back I’m impressed with myself for what I accomplished and how I change my life. Not everyone has the fortune I had, the understanding and the support of my family, the fortune of finding a good job, the amazing people who help me navigate a new place, and an incredible man I could even dreamed about. I’m glad I found and nourished that spark, because I know that it would have taken very little to make me stay in that dark place not facing an unknown path. And I think Tati speaking of this can really help a lot of young people to find that strength.❤
Watching Tati's videos over the years, I always feel the honesty, truth, and vulnerability she brings. But this video - a very, very special moment opening the new side of Tati even more honest and brave. Thank you, Michelle & Tati❤️
I love you Tati. You are brave on top of being smart, beautiful and such a wonderful role model. You are helping so many people, you don’t even realize. God loves you so much.
I'm emotional. One woman helped to teach me how to do make up for asian eyes(bubs was the other), which was so needed. And the other taught me which products to buy and how to get the make up on my non existent budget.
The true OG’s in action 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 This podcast has already changed my life! That’s how incredible and powerful you two women are ❤ Thank you Michelle and Tati 🤗
As a 25 y/o I have been going thru it for the past 2 yrs, and just hearing something like this gave me so much hope. Thank you for sharing your story Tati! And thank you Michelle for being such a supportive person!💕💕
Tati we love you and are all proud of you! I am 3 years sober and you have been a part of what keeps me entertained during times when I needed an escape. I am so grateful to know we have much more in common than just a love for makeup! ❤
What a powerful interview. You truly never know what someone is going through, or has gone through. The judgement of Tati was entirely uncalled for. I understand what she means by she didn’t seek out those people who came with the drama. This has happened to me. Someone shows up in my life and sort of just picks me, and doesn’t go away, but they come with this roller coaster of chaos. I learned some valuable lessons. Boundaries are so important.
There is no way I would have ever thought Tati fought addiction. Addiction harms so many of our lives. Tati is being so vulnerable here. I hope she is proud of herself! By the way, the Tati list is great, I won the first round of giveaways. I will cherish the mirror and the note from Tati forever!
I am glad that i found this video. I have been watching tati for years, since she started her channel. This raw version of her life that she shared makes me love her even more.
As an almost 7 year sober iv heroin user, I always appreciate when celebrities and influencers talk about their struggles with addiction. People need to know they’re not alone and it’s helpful hearing it from someone people always assume have it all together
This is so powerful; to see someone like Tati who I'm sure has felt the need to constantly look and feel perfect and "put together" tell their story. I have a similar one. Today I'm 36 and in recovery as well, but before that I was the perfectionist with the perfect life and job who drank pints of vodka in secret and no one knew, not even my husband. I now have 3 years, but I was in my addiction for a good 10 years, and tried and relapsed for a good 6 years while cycling through rehabs and outpatient care and therapy and medication before I finally got sober. And I'm still dealing with PTSD and depression every single day. But I'm both lucky and grateful to be here today, and it's through telling our stories that we help ourselves and others.
Was it long enough of a video ?! No !! Was is it amazing ?! Hell yaaa !!! I Always was , always is and always will be a tati fan .. no one can ever change my mind .. she is just geniun ,real person and now we know her more than ever . Beauty world without tati was nothing ... no one was so much missed in the covid more than tati ❤❤❤ I just love her ❤❤❤
Literally 5 min in & im crying. Two strong women who I started watching when I was in my teens. You both were my first gurus I used to watch religiously. Love you both. And what a great first guest. Well done Phan ❤
Wow, I didn't think I could love Tati anymore than I already do, and now I can relate to her. Thank you so much for having tati on, and thank you, tati, for opening up!
" you can not outdark my darkness". I love that. Only people who really had to struggle on life and put their feet foward nomatter the pain can truly relate to that. ❤
This is now my favourite podcast. I love Michelle’s calm aura. Life is so stressful. I love being able to unwind listening to Michelle and all her guests.
Wow! Tati sharing her story at 26 and her hardships really hit me. Thank you Tati for sharing I can’t imagine how hard that was to talk about. This story is helping me in my space right now. I feel lost with who I am. Looking forward and hoping!🦋🦋
This has been one of the best podcast episodes out here. Tati’s resilience is really incredible. Thank you for sharing such important topics and I only hope for the best for Tati moving forward. We love you ❤
The combo we needed 😊😊 Michelles' videos were the first I ever watched on YT and Tati is someone I have so much respect for.. thank you for this. I'm at a pretty low place at the moment and this took my mind of that a little bit. And Tati being so open and honest and hearing how she turned her life around is just really motivational. Absolutely love this 😊❤️
53:10 I got goosebumps when Tati said about the beautiful feelings within us, she is right, we already have all we need and if we can detach from all the things that we think they will bring us "the feelings" that we need to feel and instead access and feel them without any other outside sources, that's power
She was so honest in this. Tati your palette was the first ever palette I bought from a RUclipsr. And Michelle you paved the way for a lot of Asian beauty influencers. These two ladies are gold tier!
I'm so glad this popped up in my feed. I literally woke up at 4:45am feeling soo depressed and alone, I cried until 6am. It's a dark place one can go to when life is not going anywhere good and new. So the fact this comes and Tati shares the 2 dark times in her life is very inspiring. I'm always amazed how God will give people everything but then the devil will seemingly take it all away. I lean on God too though lately I've been angry at him not just for myself but on behalf of oppressed peoples around the world suffering while the world stands by and watches 😢. It's strange, dark times we're in. I do think it'd be fascinating to have other people who had a rise and fall and see what they've learned.
Hey I hope things start to get better for you soon. Reading your comment broke my heart. You are not alone in feeling confused and angry by the world standing by during such horrors.
I’m only 3 minutes any and I’m already loving how deep and candid this is I’ve always love Tati but I’m loving seeing here so open it gives me a whole new love for her
Maybe some ppl dont like it, but personally. I appreciate that Michelle is letting Tati talk, and commenting here and there. Shes opening her platform for honesty ❤ just like her 🎉
i started watching Tati Westbrook(glam life guru) in 2016 and i hit my lowest at around 2018-19. her videos, james charles, jeffree star, all these beauty gurus helped me A LOT in pushing through. i love all of you for helping me in my lowest times through your videos- god bless you Michelle Phan.
I was in love with makeup since I was able to hold a brush. when i discovered youtube both michelle and tati I fell in love with!!! throughout middle school and high school I watched all their videos. as time when i one i got addicted to drugs and stopped watching the makeup videos. my mom at the time knew something was happening because i wasn’t that into makeup, when i was 19 she sent me tatis it’s been 10 years video to remind me who i was. I’ve been sober since then and i just sent her this podcast because when i was 20 i got back into makeup and started again watching videos and i sent her this to remind her im me again. I didn’t think id cry but i am. I hope this story touched someone out there struggling!
Wow Tati spilled it all!!!! Tati I’ve been watching since the beginning and I am so proud of you. I’ve always looked up to you because you always have found a way to keep going and glow. Thank you for sharing ❤
You couldn’t find a more iconic guest ❤ I have loved you and your content for so many years. I was so excited when you liked my photo on Instagram like 10 years ago - a screenshot from collab with Rosanna. Tati is my comfort RUclipsr since the very beginning. When she took a break, it was almost heartbreaking since her 5x a week upload was my daily ritual. So now after all this time, her being your first guest is so important and special. Thank you so much 💕 I am writing this right at the beginning of the video and can’t wait for the rest 😍
Both of them are and always will be iconic. Michelle Phan was the first beauty guru i watched since day 1 and trusted and Tati was the second i watched so them together here brings back a lot of emotion
I love Tati. I've always admired her poise, calmness, and the way she handles things with grace. This was a beautiful conversation, and I'm glad that she felt comfortable and brave enough to share so much.
Omg I am sobbing. Thank you Michelle for creating such a beautiful safe space on RUclips. Thank you Tati for sharing your story, it really made me sob 😭. You two are my role models ❤ You two give me hope whenever I feel hopeless.
You two felt like two big sisters! I'm at the beginning stage now, planning on uploading my first youtube video this Sunday. I feel so much anxiety around it, but at the same time I know it is exactly what I want to do, to start writing my own narrative! And I'm also so excited. Hearing you two speak so openly about your journey really gave me the feeling of what a deep breath can feel like, thinking: yes Valerie, you got this! haha Much love! And I'm excited for the episodes to come!
Being isolated over long periods of time while working on my spirituality is also what saved me over time, over the past couple decades. 💯 Relate to it all including past addiction, depression, grief, rebuilding from scratch, etc ❤
Thanks for spilling the Tea and letting Tati tell her story! I love her so much. And love that she’s exploring non-duality. I think it is becoming more mainstream and I’m living for it!
Amazing. Hearing Tati's story and all the trials she went through and how much she's overcome brings tears to my eyes. Thank you both for this fantastic interview.🙏❤️
A mom of two. Used to be very Productive and now inside the shell for too long and I do need this type of motivation. Thank you love . I’ve been watching u guys since I was pretty single 😂 now become an old mom 😂 and u guys still look the same
I feel old I used to watch these two RUclipsrs and DulceCandy back in the days. Like now I have 3 kids wow. I’m so glad it’s Michelle that interview Tati, Tati looks comfortable and she is able to speak so freely. It looks like 2 besties just catching up in a coffee shop.
I loved this. So very much respect for Tati. Wow. Blessings to her. I am just sad that Michelle was not as vulnerable as Tati was. I wish she leveled the conversation more, but also maybe that would take the attention off of her. What an inspiration. Michelle Phan is also incredible. Love them both. You mentioned motherhood, you would be a great mom. Adopting is always an option ❤️
OG RUclipsrs getting together and dissecting their careers and their scandals together, in a healthy and mature conversation. No one talking over eachother, and just two grown ups having a genuine conversation. I love this. 💜
They are both such good listeners ❤
YESS
Tati dropping the full story of her come-up was such a surprise, and an honor to listen to/watch. An iconic first guest Michelle!+
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As a 26 year old who’s been through a lot of difficulties with depression and substance abuse, hearing this conversation could not have come at a better time. Thank you both for this 💕
One step at a time, sweetheart. You’ve got this. You are WORTH IT, you are WORTH every good thing life has to offer. You deserve love, you deserve happiness, you deserve sobriety, you deserve dignity, you deserve respect. I may not know you, but this stranger is rooting for you. ❤️
Same I’m 26 too and I needed to hear this
You all got this.. one step at a time ❤
I really feel you , beauty 🥺🙏🏻😇
I'm really going through it myself & it's really hard rn. To me I'm at the place like Tati said I have to make a choice it's now or never ,- came out of the hospital 4 weeks ago with a hard pneumonia & my Blood % level was at 4% so to be honnest I should not have been here today ,- now I got the pneumonia back again , but I'm still home & have made the desission I want to live , but it's a long go ... I waited way to long before I called the doctor ,- I'm so afraid of nidles , bloodwork & all that kinds of stuff so I put myself so hard down & my wight was running off like crazy in those 3 weeks so I went down to 79 pounds & I'm 175 cm high 🥵😭
I'm so proud of you & I'm sure you got this & I think you have a lot of amazing things comming your way 🙏🏻😇
You're not alone & this video couldn't come at a better time 💯💕👏🏼💝
Wishing you the best & remember you only deserves the best om life 💯🙏🏻💝
Thank you So much for sharing ,- This is my first time sharing this & I'm so thankful for this video & honesty 🥺😥🙏🏻💝
TYSM to both Michelle you did amazing & same to you @glamlifeguri 👏🏼🙏🏻😇💞
Lots of love out there to everyone 💞
God bless you!
I remember when Michelle was on her break Tati's launch party was the only beauty community event that she attended. Tati has always regarded Michelle as her biggest RUclips inspiration.
and now we know why
"Haters...You can't outdark my darkness." I love that. Also, "You honor your free will by finally writing your own story (or narrative)"
I think in some ways her haters did darken her a tad. Everytime she got real constructive criticism from her viewers and got called out for certain things, she never owned up to the facts and then from then on she controlled her comment section hard. But you'd know this if you were a true fan from the beginning of her RUclips career and been there through all the years. I'm just saying, she created some of that darkness herself and sometimes humans need to own up to it and take partial blame.
@@LetsBHonestnaïveté will do that to you
Just what I thought I could not love her anymore. She opens up about sobriety. I’m coming up on 14 years clean and sober. It was the hardest decision I’ve ever made the absolute best decision I ever made so good job Tati. I’m so proud of you.
She was obviously always human but for those who have struggled or known people who have struggled with addiction - it feels like she truly sees us, she's one of us, she understands. Wow
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@chiefswife1212 what a cool guy 👍
congratulations on your sobriety and strength getting through your challenges 🩵
THIS!! Exactly 💯
Hearing Tati open up and share about her 20’s had me breaking down; I’m almost 28, and I’ve been so critical of myself throughout my 20’s. Dealing with the inner critic, comparison, depression.
The whole gambit.
Thank you Tati for being so vulnerable; your experiences are not just a wisdom, but a healing all at once. I love you 💕.
i’m 28 and i literally couldn’t relate more to you. it’s TOUGH and scary thinking this will be the rest of my life
I'm 32 and idk wth I'm doing with my life..i have a job so i guess ..I'm fine lmao
Two icons. Great first episode. Tati shared so much that truly shocked me. I know she’s talked about struggling growing up but actually overdosing and ending up in rehab? Holy shit. That takes struggle to a whole new level. Love you so much Tati. Love you Michelle.
Truly an incredible journey! 🤍
Right, she's the last person I would have thought would have went through that! The others? Sure. But Tati? 😮. Just goes to show, we can't assume anything about anyone
😂😂😂😂ICON???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 YOU WIN!!
This is just going to turn into a drama channel with the facade of being "ground breaking" and "inspiring". This is so disappointing. I was excited to see Michelle back... 😕
@@CatsAndPokemonyour comment is disappointing. Way to turn something positive into a negative 👍🏼
i’m only five minutes in and i’m sobbing. i spent my whole morning crying and feeling so bad about myself and hearing tati say she felt so behind, and knowing how her story played out… wow
Sending so much love 🩵
😭 ❤
wow you need therapy if youre crying over a normal podcast lmao
@@ChelseaRunescapeYT girl go play runescape
@@ChelseaRunescapeYT you need therapy for being so obsessed with anime, Ana 😂😂😂😂😂
I’m only 10 minutes, but wow. I did not expect to hear that Tati OD. It’s insane cause you could never expect that from someone that appears so put together like her. She’s truly inspiring, can’t wait to finish the rest.
She got alcohol poisoning- not exactly OD
Michelle, thank you for having Tati on. And Tati, if you read this, thank you for helping me learn how to do my 6 year old little girls’ makeup for ballet. And for your reviews- I buy my wife lash princess mascara every year as a stocking stuffer at your recommendation. I hope Tati beauty comes back and you release a “Holy Smokes” palette that I can buy for her. I am a 40 year old straight male who has been watching Tati for years- I always assumed she grew up wealthy and born with a silver spoon. It adds so much more to my respect for her knowing that she struggled and succeeded. She is my relaxation time creator, like a warm hug.
Sending a warm hug 🩵
@@MichellePhan I should mention that your voice is a warm hug as well. I am subscribing and can’t wait to see what wonderful other people you invite on.
Strangely enough a lot of people assumed she grew up wealthy and had wealth when she met James. Idk where that comes from but I do think it might be because Tati was always able to pull herself together in a sophisticated way.
@tobiasdeutsch563 Wow, what a beautiful comment! I love that! A straight man learning to do his daughters makeup...this is so heartwarming to me. ❤
I also love Tati so so much and I never understood why people judged her. She's easy to love but very hard to dislike in my opinion.
Sending my best wishes from Cologne/Germany. ❤
Wow. This message is powerful.❤
I’m 7 minutes in. Usually hearing someone talk about how rough their 20s were doesn’t inspire me much. But I damn near cried hearing Tati talk about how rough life was for her.
At 15/16 yrs old, as a pill addict, I didn’t see myself making it to 18. Was involuntary admitted to the psych ward at 15. Moved away from home at 17.
Then 18 came & went. At 18, I didn’t see myself making it to 21.
Age 19 started 3 yrs of alcoholism. 21 came & went. From 19-22, people who caught on that I was a high-functioning alcoholic warned me I was gonna k*ll myself or someone else.
At 22, I got pregnant with my one & only. The day I found out, I decided it all had to stop. Against my OBs better wishes, I stopped drinking, instead of weening myself. Pills, aside from what was necessary, stopped. Smoking weed & whatever was given to me stopped. I took 3 wks to ween myself of smoking cigs, as to not send my body into complete & total shock.
At 23, I gave birth. Postpartum was rough, mentally.
At 28, I decided it was time for college. My son doesn’t deserve a life barely living paycheck to paycheck.
In June of this year, a month before my 29th bday, I moved us over 1300 miles to start over & I’m currently in my 4th term of college. Overall mentally, I’m doing much better. Some days are rough. But, I keep telling myself it HAS to get easier eventually.
You’re incredible! I’m so glad you invested in your future as well as your son’s. With your perseverance I’m sure things will get easier.
Hi, you are awesome. Suggest you take up pilates and sauna to strengthen an conti ue to detox. Unconsciously old toxic behaviors hold you back and these help you release unknown forces.
wow you are doing amazing! ❤ it does get easier and it sounds like it already has :)
I have goosebumps reading this. You're amazing. It WILL get better. The day you plant the seed is not the day you eat the fruit. Sending love!
Hugs and congratulations to you! I know how hard it is - I saw my daughter struggle and went through her ups and downs. She didn’t make it, so when I hear of a person who was able to get past it, I have to tell them to be strong and keep going. I hope you find the joy and happiness you deserve. ❤
Tati truly is the definition of picking yourself up and brushing it off. Her story really is quite inspiring, yes she started off struggling, but she really kept picking herself up to get where she is now. As someone who struggles with major depressive disorder, it's really motivating hearing someone else who struggled and got through it. It just demonstrates to me that we really can overcome our challenges. She shared and became, in a way a voice for us who struggle with mental illnesses, addictions, and such. Overcoming such things is definitely no easy feature. She's such a strong and wise person. ♡
The world used to have Oprah for these huge stories, but now we have Michelle Phan. I’m very grateful for that.
Tati, for your long term die hard fans this is such a treat. Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your story!
This ❤❤❤❤
I really like what Michelle said, "You might be a villain in someone else's story" - And that we have to accept that. Truth. I wouldn't have seen it that way in my younger years at all - I would have done whatever I had to in order to make others see my "goodness". But now, in my fifties, not so much. The acceptance of what you actually have control over & what you don't is much more peaceful!
One of the best things about being in my fifties is that I’m too tired to be a people pleaser anymore. Lol! It’s been good for my mental health. ❤😊
@@Sweetpea064 Yes! The wisdom of age...that is the beauty! 👌💕
Waitttt, tati is such a good speaker! No awkwardness at all. I know she is from her videos but its amazing to see a conversation between two people form
Yes! She is so well spoken and has such a beautifully natural flow
As a woman who grew up in the late 2000s and early 2010s, you two are the only content creators I have stayed subscribed to and have influenced my life in ways you'd never imagined. You are both amazing, just great people.
Wow never realized Tati struggled like this and makes her super relatable and more real.
I’m very grateful Michelle & Tati are still on this platform. I appreciate their contribution to the makeup community
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.zachary3 I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
Anxiety happens when you think you have to figure out everything all at once.
Breathe. You're strong. You got this Take it day by day.
Please, how do I reach him?
Is He on insta?
I’m ready for this
I can't wait for your commentary LOL
Love ya so maaaachhh Rich ❤
Yassss hope we get a video today
What birthday dinner? (My epileptic ass can't remember?) I feel horrible, but what happened during it?
"Clock it the house!"
Tati is an icon and I will forever love her. Thank you for hosting her! She is *THE WOMAN* that inspired me.
So inspired by both women ❤🙏🏽❤
Amen!!!! @@satisfyinggift1013
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tati being vulnerable and sharing her trauma and addiction makes me love her even more!
As someone who survived multiple overdoses in my 20s and didn't know why i did when many of my friends and my husband didn't - this gives me hope. Thank you Tati for opening up about this. I've been so drawn to you the last few years and never really thought it was just makeup, and i think this makes sense as to why. I have 8 years sober and I'm grateful for life today and surviving. I'm glad you gave this part of your life to others, bc it helps and it can save others. Thank you ❤️
Tati’s strength and resilience is so inspiring and groundbreaking. It feels unreal that this human can exist, that we are capable of this. She is so wonderful and I’m in awe. Such a brilliant episode!
Michelle, you are a ROCKSTAR interviewer. WOW. The way you relate and also ask things so gracefully, so beautifully well done.
I agree!!
Tati oh my gosh. I've been sober 9 yrs and your videos have gotten me through so much. Wow. Great interview ❤
Tati is one of my favorite RUclipsrs......I love that she shared her story about sobriety....I hit my bottom when I was 29 and by the grace of God, have been sober for 23 years. There is no shame in where we came from.....they make us who we are today 🙂
Crying throughout this entire podcast. I didn't think I could admire Tati even more than I already did. Two legends having such a raw and honest conversation. ❤
I never expected to see these two OGs sitting and chatting together, but this was very cool! I definitely respect Tati sharing those stories about her pre-RUclips life.
I think a lot of people can relate to what Tati said about her dark moment.
Same crisis here, not overpartying nor overdosing, but isolating and falling in depression; same reasons, losing a job I believed in, a boyfriend who cheated on me.
Thinking in my thirties I was too old for change the trajectory of my life, but in the darkest moment I find somewhere in me the courage to do what I always want and always thought was a dream, challenging myself with my last money and strength, leaving for the country I always dreamed of.
Now looking back I’m impressed with myself for what I accomplished and how I change my life.
Not everyone has the fortune I had, the understanding and the support of my family, the fortune of finding a good job, the amazing people who help me navigate a new place, and an incredible man I could even dreamed about.
I’m glad I found and nourished that spark, because I know that it would have taken very little to make me stay in that dark place not facing an unknown path.
And I think Tati speaking of this can really help a lot of young people to find that strength.❤
Watching Tati's videos over the years, I always feel the honesty, truth, and vulnerability she brings. But this video - a very, very special moment opening the new side of Tati even more honest and brave. Thank you, Michelle & Tati❤️
I love you Tati. You are brave on top of being smart, beautiful and such a wonderful role model. You are helping so many people, you don’t even realize. God loves you so much.
What an episode!! So refreshing to hear Tati opening up and speaking her truth. Really inspiring. Wish it was longer tbh
I'm emotional. One woman helped to teach me how to do make up for asian eyes(bubs was the other), which was so needed. And the other taught me which products to buy and how to get the make up on my non existent budget.
The true OG’s in action 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 This podcast has already changed my life! That’s how incredible and powerful you two women are ❤ Thank you Michelle and Tati 🤗
Sending so much love 🩵
As a 25 y/o I have been going thru it for the past 2 yrs, and just hearing something like this gave me so much hope. Thank you for sharing your story Tati! And thank you Michelle for being such a supportive person!💕💕
Tati we love you and are all proud of you! I am 3 years sober and you have been a part of what keeps me entertained during times when I needed an escape. I am so grateful to know we have much more in common than just a love for makeup! ❤
What a powerful interview. You truly never know what someone is going through, or has gone through. The judgement of Tati was entirely uncalled for. I understand what she means by she didn’t seek out those people who came with the drama. This has happened to me. Someone shows up in my life and sort of just picks me, and doesn’t go away, but they come with this roller coaster of chaos. I learned some valuable lessons. Boundaries are so important.
There is no way I would have ever thought Tati fought addiction. Addiction harms so many of our lives. Tati is being so vulnerable here. I hope she is proud of herself! By the way, the Tati list is great, I won the first round of giveaways. I will cherish the mirror and the note from Tati forever!
I am glad that i found this video. I have been watching tati for years, since she started her channel. This raw version of her life that she shared makes me love her even more.
As an almost 7 year sober iv heroin user, I always appreciate when celebrities and influencers talk about their struggles with addiction. People need to know they’re not alone and it’s helpful hearing it from someone people always assume have it all together
This is so powerful; to see someone like Tati who I'm sure has felt the need to constantly look and feel perfect and "put together" tell their story. I have a similar one. Today I'm 36 and in recovery as well, but before that I was the perfectionist with the perfect life and job who drank pints of vodka in secret and no one knew, not even my husband. I now have 3 years, but I was in my addiction for a good 10 years, and tried and relapsed for a good 6 years while cycling through rehabs and outpatient care and therapy and medication before I finally got sober. And I'm still dealing with PTSD and depression every single day. But I'm both lucky and grateful to be here today, and it's through telling our stories that we help ourselves and others.
I didn't know this about Tati. What an incredible interview.
Was it long enough of a video ?! No !! Was is it amazing ?! Hell yaaa !!! I Always was , always is and always will be a tati fan .. no one can ever change my mind .. she is just geniun ,real person and now we know her more than ever . Beauty world without tati was nothing ... no one was so much missed in the covid more than tati ❤❤❤ I just love her ❤❤❤
Literally 5 min in & im crying.
Two strong women who I started watching when I was in my teens. You both were my first gurus I used to watch religiously.
Love you both.
And what a great first guest. Well done Phan ❤
Wow, I didn't think I could love Tati anymore than I already do, and now I can relate to her. Thank you so much for having tati on, and thank you, tati, for opening up!
" you can not outdark my darkness". I love that. Only people who really had to struggle on life and put their feet foward nomatter the pain can truly relate to that. ❤
I'm so glad you interviewed Tati! What a fantastic first guest
This is now my favourite podcast. I love Michelle’s calm aura. Life is so stressful. I love being able to unwind listening to Michelle and all her guests.
Wow! Tati sharing her story at 26 and her hardships really hit me. Thank you Tati for sharing I can’t imagine how hard that was to talk about. This story is helping me in my space right now. I feel lost with who I am. Looking forward and hoping!🦋🦋
This has been one of the best podcast episodes out here. Tati’s resilience is really incredible. Thank you for sharing such important topics and I only hope for the best for Tati moving forward. We love you ❤
The combo we needed 😊😊 Michelles' videos were the first I ever watched on YT and Tati is someone I have so much respect for.. thank you for this. I'm at a pretty low place at the moment and this took my mind of that a little bit. And Tati being so open and honest and hearing how she turned her life around is just really motivational. Absolutely love this 😊❤️
53:10 I got goosebumps when Tati said about the beautiful feelings within us, she is right, we already have all we need and if we can detach from all the things that we think they will bring us "the feelings" that we need to feel and instead access and feel them without any other outside sources, that's power
She was so honest in this. Tati your palette was the first ever palette I bought from a RUclipsr. And Michelle you paved the way for a lot of Asian beauty influencers. These two ladies are gold tier!
I'm so glad this popped up in my feed. I literally woke up at 4:45am feeling soo depressed and alone, I cried until 6am. It's a dark place one can go to when life is not going anywhere good and new. So the fact this comes and Tati shares the 2 dark times in her life is very inspiring. I'm always amazed how God will give people everything but then the devil will seemingly take it all away. I lean on God too though lately I've been angry at him not just for myself but on behalf of oppressed peoples around the world suffering while the world stands by and watches 😢. It's strange, dark times we're in.
I do think it'd be fascinating to have other people who had a rise and fall and see what they've learned.
Hey I hope things start to get better for you soon. Reading your comment broke my heart. You are not alone in feeling confused and angry by the world standing by during such horrors.
I still watch Michelle's tutorials, her makeup looks and tips were so good.
Yay!!! How great!!
No one could ever make me hate Tati. She is so refreshingly vulnerable and authentic. I love this podcast so much.
I’m only 3 minutes any and I’m already loving how deep and candid this is I’ve always love Tati but I’m loving seeing here so open it gives me a whole new love for her
Maybe some ppl dont like it, but personally. I appreciate that Michelle is letting Tati talk, and commenting here and there. Shes opening her platform for honesty ❤ just like her 🎉
i started watching Tati Westbrook(glam life guru) in 2016 and i hit my lowest at around 2018-19. her videos, james charles, jeffree star, all these beauty gurus helped me A LOT in pushing through. i love all of you for helping me in my lowest times through your videos- god bless you Michelle Phan.
I ❤Tati!!! She's an inspiration and Thank you Michelle for having the guts to ask her!.
Oh my goodness just when I thought I couldnt love Tati more you drop this amazing, honest, and vulnerable interview with her ❤❤❤❤
An hour long felt so short ! Loved the podcast ! Enjoyed watching you two !
I wasn't expecting to cry within the first 5 minutes of this video but well here we are. Both of you deserve so much love ❤
❤This comment section right now-uploaded 3 hours ago-is full of positive, loving, wholesome things❤
This was so moving. You could always see her soul glimmer through the screen and now I see why. You never know someone’s story.
I was in love with makeup since I was able to hold a brush. when i discovered youtube both michelle and tati I fell in love with!!! throughout middle school and high school I watched all their videos. as time when i one i got addicted to drugs and stopped watching the makeup videos. my mom at the time knew something was happening because i wasn’t that into makeup, when i was 19 she sent me tatis it’s been 10 years video to remind me who i was. I’ve been sober since then and i just sent her this podcast because when i was 20 i got back into makeup and started again watching videos and i sent her this to remind her im me again. I didn’t think id cry but i am. I hope this story touched someone out there struggling!
Congrats on your soberity!
Wow Tati spilled it all!!!! Tati I’ve been watching since the beginning and I am so proud of you. I’ve always looked up to you because you always have found a way to keep going and glow.
Thank you for sharing ❤
i remember your voice being so soothing michelle, i love that you have a podcast now
There’s more to come 🩵
The bravery, resilience, and vulnerability are just so beautiful. Thank you both for sharing🤍
I’m so glad that Tati shared her story. It’s very helpful to hear someone who I can relate to
I’m so glad Tati opened up about this ❤️ it’s a great reminder that the journey matters more than these moments of doubt
You couldn’t find a more iconic guest ❤ I have loved you and your content for so many years. I was so excited when you liked my photo on Instagram like 10 years ago - a screenshot from collab with Rosanna.
Tati is my comfort RUclipsr since the very beginning. When she took a break, it was almost heartbreaking since her 5x a week upload was my daily ritual.
So now after all this time, her being your first guest is so important and special. Thank you so much 💕 I am writing this right at the beginning of the video and can’t wait for the rest 😍
I just remembered that she lost Puka too. Probably shortly after filming this. My heart aches for her
Both of them are and always will be iconic. Michelle Phan was the first beauty guru i watched since day 1 and trusted and Tati was the second i watched so them together here brings back a lot of emotion
Not even 5 minutes I. And I’m balling 😢. Oh Tati I love you so much more now and have much much more respect for you and your humbleness and strength
I love Tati. I've always admired her poise, calmness, and the way she handles things with grace. This was a beautiful conversation, and I'm glad that she felt comfortable and brave enough to share so much.
NOT clickbait! Tati spilled…😮
Finally big influencers speaking on spirituality. And NOT in a superficial way. 💙🙏🏻🙌🏻
Omg I am sobbing. Thank you Michelle for creating such a beautiful safe space on RUclips. Thank you Tati for sharing your story, it really made me sob 😭. You two are my role models ❤ You two give me hope whenever I feel hopeless.
You two felt like two big sisters! I'm at the beginning stage now, planning on uploading my first youtube video this Sunday. I feel so much anxiety around it, but at the same time I know it is exactly what I want to do, to start writing my own narrative! And I'm also so excited. Hearing you two speak so openly about your journey really gave me the feeling of what a deep breath can feel like, thinking: yes Valerie, you got this! haha Much love! And I'm excited for the episodes to come!
One of the best podcast ever. Tati is an absolute classic.
Oh my gosh I’m tearing up , Tati THANK YOU FOR SHARING !!!!! This is powerful 😢
A Tati/ Michelle meet up is what the world needs right now.
Being isolated over long periods of time while working on my spirituality is also what saved me over time, over the past couple decades. 💯 Relate to it all including past addiction, depression, grief, rebuilding from scratch, etc ❤
Just wow!!!!!! This video was just beautiful. It was just authentic, raw and genuine. Love both you!!
Thank you for sharing Tati and Michelle. Tati, I was watching Emily D baker read through your court case and I am glad you won. That was crazy.
Me too. I am glad that RUclipsr hasn’t been mentioned in the comments. She doesn’t deserve the y. Tati has class and I appreciate her honesty .❤
2 amazing icons! love both of them and miss watching Michele
Michelle you’re a great interviewer - you listen and don’t interrupt.
Thanks for spilling the Tea and letting Tati tell her story! I love her so much. And love that she’s exploring non-duality. I think it is becoming more mainstream and I’m living for it!
You cannot understand how much I love that woman.Tati I love you so so so much
Amazing. Hearing Tati's story and all the trials she went through and how much she's overcome brings tears to my eyes. Thank you both for this fantastic interview.🙏❤️
Wow... Just wow. Amazing story... Even more beautiful than I thought... Inside and out!
A mom of two. Used to be very
Productive and now inside the shell for too long and I do need this type of motivation. Thank you love . I’ve been watching u guys since I was pretty single 😂 now become an old mom 😂 and u guys still look the same
Two iconic women I grew up watching and continue to watch and support.💕 Loved that Tati was your first guest.😁
I feel old I used to watch these two RUclipsrs and DulceCandy back in the days. Like now I have 3 kids wow.
I’m so glad it’s Michelle that interview Tati, Tati looks comfortable and she is able to speak so freely. It looks like 2 besties just catching up in a coffee shop.
Yes! Also loved jlovesmac 😢
Jesus ladies. I was *not* expecting such a spiritual talk. I am all for it wow.❤
I loved this. So very much respect for Tati. Wow. Blessings to her. I am just sad that Michelle was not as vulnerable as Tati was. I wish she leveled the conversation more, but also maybe that would take the attention off of her. What an inspiration. Michelle Phan is also incredible. Love them both. You mentioned motherhood, you would be a great mom. Adopting is always an option ❤️