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What I'm worried about is them leaving balancing alone for the rest of the xpac as they focus on the new content. Also, they really need to provide the balancing they will do to the tier sets, especially for specs that picks S1/S2 that had been nerfed down and need to be buffed back up. There is still alot of "will S4 be awesome or will it be something everyone skips"?
@@Ventryx i'm pleased when all 3 dps do at least 20% more damage than me as a tank. But hey i had my first good elemental shaman a few days ago. They are there but they are rare :D
The fact that I am disappointed that Ret wasnt in S tier when its been at best average for a decades shows how far it has come. Absolutely love laying this season and with 2 good looking/feeling hero talent tress the future is bright
i wish blizzard would update proportions on the orcs to look more like the title card. They look and move like slightly bigger and green dwarfs. nothing close to the cinematics
People below 25s should really put their focus on which spec they perform well instead of chasing the meta every season. I pretty much never had a good performing fire mage in keys below 25 for example. The Meta shows the potential of a class if played optimal. But only the pros can achieve that potential with hard classes like fire mage or to a lower extent outlaw, while pretty much everyone can achieve 90% of the potential of a ret or a bm pretty easily.
what are we even talking about? What do you mean when you say "the pros"? You put in the time with these specs, you will get really good, you don't need to be on Method or Echo to get good use out of it. I've played fire mage for a few months and push very high keys are parse really well. I'm by no means close to a pro in skill level.
So right... This lists are so Bad... So much speccs only perform high in good Groups.... And then u have speccs like havoc or ret pala who are most of the time top dps under +20
No one should go after those list, Id you are good and enjoy your class and know wtf you are doing you are good. I am frost dk and i am doing 25 keys...same as I did on Feral few years ago when it was the "underdog". Just play what you like and use your keys, no invite problems.
Got my legendary for my Arms Warrior and I’m killing it now. I was middle of the pack in my raid team and now I’m leading it in dps. Too bad I’m geared out and don’t have much of a reason to use that character anymore.
Hmm. I don’t see the point in these lists. Many of these s tier specs are only S in the right group set-up. Fire mage for example it only really good in higher keys with giant pulls and a well coordinated group. I just don’t think these are particularly helpful to the majority of players who only play casual or PUG. I know you’re not the only ones making these things, but it really grinds my gears. I find that you often get invited much more easily when you’re S-tier - regardless of ability to play the class.
His dad works a full time job so he can't be in the videos often, so he lets Flame(the guy in the video) keep the channel up-to-date and what not. Now the guy claiming "he's dead" I don't see any proof whatsoever from Flame saying his dad passed away.
I really want to like fury, but since condemn was removed, it just doesn't do it for me. Played fury for the first bit of SL, up til Nathria (didn't play the game until DF after), and I loved it soo much. Bloodthirst is just so boring compared to Execute.
@@havtor007 if you cant see that retri is S tier, then you playing the wrong game. Bubbles,lay on hands,stun,dispel,offhealing,1minute CD damage *wings and AoE burst ability* hand of freedom, can taunt and bubble himself to save the tank from a massive damage,hand of sacrifice on healers. Can simply ignore mechanics of any PvE content. What else you want? Now tell me why you dont think that retri paladin are not S tier? Not to mention their stupid damage with the legendary axe....
@eltonazevedo1361 Ret has had EVERYTHING you mention here except for 1min burst from BEFORE LEGION the expansion before mythic plus existed yet Ret has NEVER been even CLOSE to S tier. The only thing is that Ret got a damage buff to make it competative with other dps specs when you have the legendary axe. Also Ret is one of the worst class to do the get aggro on a mob and survive. Warrior is much much better at this.
@@eltonazevedo1361 Also, if you think the damage is very strong when you have the legendary axe, you have not seen outlaw rogues dps with an average outlaw player at the wheel.
Well, that would be the good old usuals: Hunter, Warlock, Ret paladin. For godmode (in slow speed) any tank. Frost mage is great as well - if you can freeze stuff. Edit: and DH's
so whats the point of legendary weapon ? cosmetic? cuz 2 handers classes should be blasting with it , in dps and be s tier ...so sad what they did to wow
This content confuses me so much. Who is this list for? No offense ofcourse, I really like your content lately. But you're discussing what the top 1% wants, which is of no use to the majority of your viewers. This also kinda goes against that amazing class picking guide you made recently.
Just pushing out content for some people that interest I guess. Not everyone interest in every piece of content so why not just push out contents that one could think off instead of being idle and be forgotten in world nowadays while sponsor is another important thing too. Probably the logic behind it I think
It helps paint a picture of the meta so the lower classes can get some love and it never hurts to join the overall conversation and voice different opinions
fury only win over stats vs arms in strength and Stamina nothing more, im 11.890 strength 854k stamina, 40%crit /41%haste / 25%mastery and 19% versa as arms im 488ilvl if u have the same ilvl tell me ur stats as fury. and keep in mind i am using both fyrak strinkets the Crit and versa big shield one! i can get much more strength with firestarter from smolderon instead using the shield fyrak trinket. and like i say in M+ arms and fury are completely different aspects of gameplay based in ur group and tank and arms over takes fury in defensive and survival. ignore pain+the damage *talent* from deep wounds healing you 85% + die by the sword (you can save the tank in many bosses fights or abilitys* if you taunt the boss and use die by the sword like the first boss from galakronds fall dungeon, when the boss strike massive big healing absorbed on tank you can help the tank survive by using taunt and sword. ignore pain can mitigate much more damage than anything fury put out as self healing. fury only overpower arms in boss fights single target because the fast short burst fury haves, as arms needs to reach 35% HP or 20% if u not playing with massacre. everything else is based in tank pulling and group positions. i have being farming 20+ keys playing as arms sense season 1 in DF never lost towards any fury if we are both same ilvl! Fury in AoE will never reach over 800k dps in big pulls as he only strike 5 targets. when arms can Bleed more than 5 targets and thats where arms reach over 1.2 million as i did many times in Throne of tides and Everbloom
@@Clarity251 are you stupid? Bro you need to wake up and read the game. What fury wins more than arms is only stamina and strength from the 2 weapon, the stats are not above as the % of the stats are devided by small amount for fury. Same thing goes for classes that can use 2 one handed weapons or 1 two handed weapon like monks. You need to see how much arms wins in stats and fury then you will realise the difference is not there, when fury stacks versa and mastery their normal stats will be 10 or 12% crit 25 or 27% haste , 55 or 59% mastery and 22 or 25% versatility. When in arms you can reach the same stats I have 40%crit ,41% haste ,25% mastery ,25% versa. But in fury I have 13k strength when in arms I have 11k. Fury have 987k HP Arms have 876k hp.
@@Clarity251 and if you say I wrote all of this text and its nonsense to you. Then you should read more about the game to understand how the game works. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
OF-fooking-CURSE MAGE HAS ONE SPEC AT LEAST IN TOP TIER. ALWAYS. EVERY EXPANSIOON, EVERY FKING PATCH. DO SOMETHING ABOUT DKS, WARRIORS AND FERALS BLIZZARD. I DONT WANT TO DEPEND ON FOOKING LEGENDARY ITEM TO BE KINDA USEFUL. THIS CRAP SHOULD SKYROCKET ME TO RANK S. ITS A FOOKING LEGENDARY. LAST TIME WE HAD ONE WAS FKING 7 EXPANSIONS AGO. MORE THAN TEN YEARS. COME ON!
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What I'm worried about is them leaving balancing alone for the rest of the xpac as they focus on the new content. Also, they really need to provide the balancing they will do to the tier sets, especially for specs that picks S1/S2 that had been nerfed down and need to be buffed back up.
There is still alot of "will S4 be awesome or will it be something everyone skips"?
Fair points!
Switched to elemental shaman 3 weeks ago...oh men. The most fun spec I ever played in Wow
still never have seen 1 good elemental shaman in my runs
@@Ventryx i'm pleased when all 3 dps do at least 20% more damage than me as a tank.
But hey i had my first good elemental shaman a few days ago. They are there but they are rare :D
The fact that I am disappointed that Ret wasnt in S tier when its been at best average for a decades shows how far it has come. Absolutely love laying this season and with 2 good looking/feeling hero talent tress the future is bright
i wish blizzard would update proportions on the orcs to look more like the title card. They look and move like slightly bigger and green dwarfs. nothing close to the cinematics
People below 25s should really put their focus on which spec they perform well instead of chasing the meta every season. I pretty much never had a good performing fire mage in keys below 25 for example. The Meta shows the potential of a class if played optimal. But only the pros can achieve that potential with hard classes like fire mage or to a lower extent outlaw, while pretty much everyone can achieve 90% of the potential of a ret or a bm pretty easily.
what are we even talking about? What do you mean when you say "the pros"? You put in the time with these specs, you will get really good, you don't need to be on Method or Echo to get good use out of it. I've played fire mage for a few months and push very high keys are parse really well. I'm by no means close to a pro in skill level.
I usually stop at +20 and move on to another class.
So right... This lists are so Bad... So much speccs only perform high in good Groups.... And then u have speccs like havoc or ret pala who are most of the time top dps under +20
@@Chadchadersonthe3rd What keys are you pushing?
No one should go after those list, Id you are good and enjoy your class and know wtf you are doing you are good. I am frost dk and i am doing 25 keys...same as I did on Feral few years ago when it was the "underdog". Just play what you like and use your keys, no invite problems.
You guys are the hardest working and most consistent wow content creators I watch, keep it up👍🏻
I just don’t understand why aren’t they just buffed/nerving every few weeks to not let classes like affliction fall behind for seasons now?
the top 2 keys are done with healer they changed after the first view pulls
Got my legendary for my Arms Warrior and I’m killing it now. I was middle of the pack in my raid team and now I’m leading it in dps. Too bad I’m geared out and don’t have much of a reason to use that character anymore.
Start pushing keys ;D The sky is the limit
@@jacko646697 I can’t. If I play one more Throne of Tides I’m gonna Heroic Leap off a bridge. See yall next season!
😂
@@PdwardEarrales 🤣 I feel ya on that one
*yawwwwn* what a dreary Friday. If only there was something to lift my spiri…wait…ITS TIER LIST FRIYAAAAAAAAAY!!! LETS GOOOOOO
Hell yea man! Enjoy!
@@MarcelianOnline yes baby 😏
Just quietly waiting for season 4 to launch to resub. Cheering for the rest of my guild to still get their legendaries
Same here, geared 3 chars at 486 , unsubed and waiting for s4
Fair enough! See ya there!
@@MarcelianOnline burned out my self pushing keys 24 25 ... its toxic as f sometimes
Hmm. I don’t see the point in these lists. Many of these s tier specs are only S in the right group set-up. Fire mage for example it only really good in higher keys with giant pulls and a well coordinated group. I just don’t think these are particularly helpful to the majority of players who only play casual or PUG. I know you’re not the only ones making these things, but it really grinds my gears. I find that you often get invited much more easily when you’re S-tier - regardless of ability to play the class.
Fire Mage doesn't deserve S-Tier.
Take a breath my man. Relax. We love it when we share ur wow thoughts with us
The best meta-verse :)
Thank you!
i'm sorry to ask but did something happened with the other dude that recorded with him?
i was wondering the same thing
he died
@@dickofthesheep really?
@@lucas-tp5jw ye from NFE sadly 😔
His dad works a full time job so he can't be in the videos often, so he lets Flame(the guy in the video) keep the channel up-to-date and what not. Now the guy claiming "he's dead" I don't see any proof whatsoever from Flame saying his dad passed away.
Ah if only all these reminders about meta comp at +18 you mentioned were taken into account but no 😅
you give unholy dk more utilities besides grip we'd be S class
I really want to like fury, but since condemn was removed, it just doesn't do it for me. Played fury for the first bit of SL, up til Nathria (didn't play the game until DF after), and I loved it soo much. Bloodthirst is just so boring compared to Execute.
Sorry desrructio warlock is S tier echo and mandatory both run destro-fire mage-priest, dh paladin comps in competition.
retri paladin is S+ tier xD hahaha they are the most broken class atm in any content
Why do you think this? And what are you basing this on?
@@havtor007 if you cant see that retri is S tier, then you playing the wrong game.
Bubbles,lay on hands,stun,dispel,offhealing,1minute CD damage *wings and AoE burst ability* hand of freedom, can taunt and bubble himself to save the tank from a massive damage,hand of sacrifice on healers. Can simply ignore mechanics of any PvE content.
What else you want?
Now tell me why you dont think that retri paladin are not S tier?
Not to mention their stupid damage with the legendary axe....
@eltonazevedo1361 Ret has had EVERYTHING you mention here except for 1min burst from BEFORE LEGION the expansion before mythic plus existed yet Ret has NEVER been even CLOSE to S tier.
The only thing is that Ret got a damage buff to make it competative with other dps specs when you have the legendary axe.
Also Ret is one of the worst class to do the get aggro on a mob and survive. Warrior is much much better at this.
@@eltonazevedo1361 Also, if you think the damage is very strong when you have the legendary axe, you have not seen outlaw rogues dps with an average outlaw player at the wheel.
Can you do a leveling tier list, like who is better at solo leveling or solo pve activities for example.
Monks s tier to level
Well, that would be the good old usuals: Hunter, Warlock, Ret paladin. For godmode (in slow speed) any tank. Frost mage is great as well - if you can freeze stuff. Edit: and DH's
peoples wanna play MDi classes but can't handle those pulls
so whats the point of legendary weapon ? cosmetic? cuz 2 handers classes should be blasting with it , in dps and be s tier ...so sad what they did to wow
I find it most fun to use the legendary playing blood dk. Which is awful
Lol “broken as…. (My kid: he’s gonna say fuck” …..fuck (My kid: I TOLD YOU!)” LOL the satisfaction for an 8 year old 😂😂😂
You don't see DKs anymore cause why play one when Ret or Havoc or Outlaw or Beast Mastery is miles better in terms of flow and ease of doing damage.
Are you pushing 25+? No? Just play whatever you enjoy!
content for .5% of wow players
How has nobody mentioned what he did with Aug evokers hahaha
This content confuses me so much. Who is this list for? No offense ofcourse, I really like your content lately. But you're discussing what the top 1% wants, which is of no use to the majority of your viewers. This also kinda goes against that amazing class picking guide you made recently.
Just pushing out content for some people that interest I guess. Not everyone interest in every piece of content so why not just push out contents that one could think off instead of being idle and be forgotten in world nowadays while sponsor is another important thing too. Probably the logic behind it I think
Its for ppl like me brother 👍🏼
Lol I just love listening to them bang on about the current Mets sometimes in the background
Never miss a tier list video of theirs
It helps paint a picture of the meta so the lower classes can get some love and it never hurts to join the overall conversation and voice different opinions
99 % of players only invite meta specs. Then typical humans “who is this interesting for” to stay consistent with their idiocy
Every time I watch one of your videos I feel like playing wow again. If I see my all time main doing well I'll go back.
Don't do it. It's a trap. Game is pretty on the outside but it's festering on the inside.
Nevermind Blizzard still hates enhancement. Not coming back.
I like your videos but ..ufff frost is good ? I am clearly playing the wrong keys XD or I am so bad , I don’t think that frost do is good in pug
Yesss!!
Enjoy?
@@MarcelianOnline definitely!! :D
I'm getting bored, I'm waiting for 10.2.6 to release.
Shouldn't be too long :P
next reset is 10.2.6 release
fury only win over stats vs arms in strength and Stamina nothing more, im 11.890 strength 854k stamina, 40%crit /41%haste / 25%mastery and 19% versa as arms
im 488ilvl if u have the same ilvl tell me ur stats as fury.
and keep in mind i am using both fyrak strinkets the Crit and versa big shield one! i can get much more strength with firestarter from smolderon instead using the shield fyrak trinket.
and like i say in M+ arms and fury are completely different aspects of gameplay based in ur group and tank and arms over takes fury in defensive and survival. ignore pain+the damage *talent* from deep wounds healing you 85% + die by the sword (you can save the tank in many bosses fights or abilitys* if you taunt the boss and use die by the sword like the first boss from galakronds fall dungeon, when the boss strike massive big healing absorbed on tank you can help the tank survive by using taunt and sword.
ignore pain can mitigate much more damage than anything fury put out as self healing.
fury only overpower arms in boss fights single target because the fast short burst fury haves, as arms needs to reach 35% HP or 20% if u not playing with massacre. everything else is based in tank pulling and group positions.
i have being farming 20+ keys playing as arms sense season 1 in DF never lost towards any fury if we are both same ilvl!
Fury in AoE will never reach over 800k dps in big pulls as he only strike 5 targets. when arms can Bleed more than 5 targets and thats where arms reach over 1.2 million as i did many times in Throne of tides and Everbloom
How do u think u have the same secondary stats without a 2nd 2hander and write a massive text about this nonsense
@@Clarity251 are you stupid? Bro you need to wake up and read the game. What fury wins more than arms is only stamina and strength from the 2 weapon, the stats are not above as the % of the stats are devided by small amount for fury.
Same thing goes for classes that can use 2 one handed weapons or 1 two handed weapon like monks. You need to see how much arms wins in stats and fury then you will realise the difference is not there, when fury stacks versa and mastery their normal stats will be 10 or 12% crit 25 or 27% haste , 55 or 59% mastery and 22 or 25% versatility.
When in arms you can reach the same stats I have 40%crit ,41% haste ,25% mastery ,25% versa. But in fury I have 13k strength when in arms I have 11k. Fury have 987k HP
Arms have 876k hp.
@@Clarity251 and if you say I wrote all of this text and its nonsense to you. Then you should read more about the game to understand how the game works. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@eltonazevedo1361 no just the part about the secondary stats :D
makes videos on meta being dumb then makes video on meta being fun lol the hypocrisy.
28s are D tier lmao
Warlock literally does 5 mil aoe dps, and ret does 3mil i think ur tier list is wank.
OF-fooking-CURSE MAGE HAS ONE SPEC AT LEAST IN TOP TIER. ALWAYS. EVERY EXPANSIOON, EVERY FKING PATCH.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT DKS, WARRIORS AND FERALS BLIZZARD.
I DONT WANT TO DEPEND ON FOOKING LEGENDARY ITEM TO BE KINDA USEFUL. THIS CRAP SHOULD SKYROCKET ME TO RANK S. ITS A FOOKING LEGENDARY. LAST TIME WE HAD ONE WAS FKING 7 EXPANSIONS AGO. MORE THAN TEN YEARS. COME ON!
hahahah bordel je pleure de rire avec ta video putaclick ou tu dit que la ps5 se amiliore avec une maj pour finir avec un bug qui supprime les jeux