I agree, and it’s not like hes getting different questions lol. Many of the questions people have are the same so he just gives them the same answers sometimes. That’s life
@@SpaceEagle93my thoughts exactly. When someone asks what is 2+2 and you say 4. The other person in reality was expecting 2+2=(16^2)/(8^2) or a different answer every time.
Im not a Christian. But i love watching Cliffe. And hope to one day meet the man. Hahaha I'd never approach him with hate like that first kid. I just don't believe in what he does. But I agree with most of what he has to say.
The more you watch Cliffe. The more you see how these are questions everyone has. But no one cares to answer. And God Forbid you actually exercise your mind and learn the answer for yourself.
In my opinion the reason your not a fraud is because your story has remained the same. The earth and universe will fade away but the word of God will remain. Mad respect to you Cliff, can’t wait to meet you in Heaven! 🙏
that guy at the beginning.. if hes been watching for the past 10yrs as faithfully as he has... it shows hes searching for answers... Heck hes probably watching this episode now haha.. Some people take time :)
Zain844 you can crack your head and see your brain, you can drop a rock and see gravity pull it down, you can electric circuits measure radio waves - that's called science. and then there's things you cant see. thank you for making my point
these students care not if there is a God, they just want to ask questions proving their theory is right. No need to convince people of God but let them decide for themselves after preaching the gospel, there is more evidence that God is real and that these people are contradicting themselves.
+TipsyTerby Very well put dude :). I noticed something else as-well which is the a last kid with the back-pack with the white shirt, was being an intellectual hypocrite & totally contradicted himself on that part of the video 16:50 mins. He says "why there wasn't any cameras or tape recorders back then to record the talking". Then Cliffe gives the example with (Forrest Gump) shaking Kennedy's hand explaining to him "that it wasn't real & that it was edited". Then the kid says "that it gives more crediting to the fact that is true". That is totally intellectual hypocrisy, because if it had happen that someone had recorded one of the followers of Jesus that claimed he/she speaking with Jesus in person I bet you that people will not be satisfied with that type of evidence either and would say it's a fallacy by saying 'it's just hearsay or the tape has been falsely edited'. So it boils down to the whole fact that people just don't want see or can't think beyond using their common-sense to rationalize, and as a paradox! 'having too much intelligence is mother-fucking dangerous' because that's what makes people lack common-sense to think of the simple basic things in life.
the people referenced were "martyrs" in the 1st century. Not limited to the apostles. Ceasar Nero was known for this and can be referenced by reviewing Roman Historian Tacticus (he was a young boy living in Rome during the time of the martyrdoms). His book is called Annals. He is not the only person who recorded it. Second point... Are not eyewitness testimonies considered valid in court? BTW, the gospel of John does record a courtroom testimony. Pontius Pilate was the judge.
I've spoken with Cliff during his visits to the University of Arizona for a number of years now and have never found him to be persuasive. As a graduate student in Classics, specializing in Ancient History, I have studied many ancient texts in both Latin and Greek, including the Koine Greek texts in the N.T. The gospels have unknown authorship, rely primarily on oral tradition, were composed after a substantial time gap, and are written as theologies rather than history.
The problem is not that the overwhelming evidence doesn't convince them logivally but that they made up their mind beforehand not wanting to be convinced so they make up excuses for every evidence presented. The question you really have to ask them is: "If Christianity is true would you become a Christian." If their answer is"no", no piece of evidence will ever convince them. They are not on a truth quest but a happiness quest. They are a cynik, not a skeptic. I thank God for the wonderful evidence we have and that he gave me a rational mind to understand that following Christ is the only way to heaven.
The apocryphal books were rejected for such reasons. They did not mesh with the reliable accounts of the new testament. (written hundreds of years later) I became a Christian at 25 and much like Simon Greenleaf I made sure the scriptures are trustworthy. Simon was the most famous professor of Law from Harvard. He developed the system of evaluating evidence that we use in law today. He was challenged by collegues to apply this to the ressurection claim, and he became a believer as a result.
Not true Matthew, Acts was dated 62 AD written by Luke. This was obviously after the Gospell of Luke, and most biblical historians agree that Lukes gospel was not the first, but rather Mark was. So even being conservative with tracking backward we end up within about a decade of the life of Christ.
Yes many people die for what they believe. But being torturously murdered for something you know is false is a totally different story. And that's what Matthew is suggesting happened.
The most ridiculous truth claim at the intro, "You've been nothing but consistent , hence you are a fraud and a fake" That is the reason Cbriat is trustworthy, because he is consistent
@@trumpbellend6717 Famous last words? I dont think that's a purely secular idea, it happens all the time when someone says something and is wrong when all is said and done. I'd say that is more likely a Christian idea than a secular one, because why would an atheist or non-believer worry about their opinion being wrong now, when they believe they're right and there is nothing after death?If I'm wrong, then I havent lost anything after I die. My position is that sadly non-believers will suffer for it in the end after denying Christ for their entire lives, therefore, "Famous last words" applies.
Heh, if you want to threaten me, you can. I guarantee you no judge would agree, and I'd make a comfortable award for my trouble. In other words, you not only are in no position to threaten me, but even if you were you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Now, I would ask that you stop with the threats. Unlike Mr. Cliffe, I like to keep a civil tone...
Any range of secular philosophies I would argue are better for living life. Personally, I live by an Epicurean philosophy (somewhat adapted by Utilitarianism and social contract theory)... Yes, I do believe that Jesus existed, as did Saint Nicholas and Elvis. However, that does not mean that I believe in Santa Clause or that Elvis is still alive. Jesus' life can be explained the same way as other ancient persons who had miracles attributed to them (e.g. Vespasian).
To the guy at the intro: you complained about him giving the same answers for the past 10 years. Would you rather he give inconsistant answers that contradict? Truth is exclusive by nature, so you've validated Cliff with your tantrum. Please think more critically before throwing a fit next time.
--Amended-- You might not know this, but when you published your statement reading: "I confronted him (meaning Cliffe) with evidence of his plagiarism"; you are gratuitously inviting into your world a civil action for libel. Again, you may dissent, but statements like that do not help anyone. But why should anyone be surprised with your actions if Proverbs 10:14 says:"...the mouth of a fool invites ruin." Mr. Toasty, please keep in mind that he right to dissent is not a license to offend.
Five people see a horrendous car accident. The police question the five eye witnesses separately and take their testimony. Each told what they saw from their perspective but all agreed, car A was traveling at a high rate of speed and ran the red light striking car B who had the green light . The eye witnesses may have differing minor details but that doesn’t make their eye witness testimony less reliable because they all agree on what caused the accident. It’s really hypocritical to say the eye witness testimony of the disciples about the resurrection of Christ is unreliable just because it happened 2,000 year ago, but eyewitness testimony is reliable because it happened today.
When Cliffe's elementary argument breaks down he starts to attack the person. I have watched Cliffe in many debates and he has yet to do well. He went to a no-name college and learned how to trap a person in a position and argue against what he thinks they believe. He has a spiel he likes to say and doesn't take seriously what his opponent is saying. This is entertaining and quite sad at the same time. He should just encourage them to search and find their own truth.
He does encourage people to exercise rational thinking, to think for themselves, including to read for themselves whatever sources they might want to attack prior to attacking them... I don't think him going to a "no name college" is relevant in the slightest. I also find that he takes incredibly seriously what his "opponents" (your term, not mine) say. Does Cliffe sometimes not perfectly understand what the other person is saying? Yes, as is the case with me. And, I'd be willing to bet, as is the case with you.
And no, Matt isn't saying these people died for something that they knew was false. He's clearly saying that they died for something they believed to be true, but was in actuality really just false. I'd ask that you stop misrepresenting other peoples' statements, Swam.
You might not know this, but when you published your statement reading: "I confronted him (meaning Cliffe) with evidence of his plagiarism"; you are gratuitously inviting into your world a civil action for libel. Again, you may dissent, but statements like that do not help anyone. But why should anyone be surprised with your actions if Proverbs 10:14 says:"...the mouth of a foll invites ruin." Remember, the right to dissent is not a license to offend.
I just researched quotes from Alexander the great, supposing the second person talking was speaking of him saying we don't have accounts of what he said. that's a lie. skepticism isn't reason enough to not put your faith in the Christ, Jesus.
Well of course there are "history students" like you who are on the fringe. You presuppose the past and refuse to look at evidence objectively. The majority of respectable historians of antiquity accept the historical value of Tiberius, Claudius, and Josephus, and even the apostle Luke. Lets not forget that not only did people write about Jesus within a decade of his crucifixion, but countless witnesses willingly died horribly for believing something you claim they knew was false. Sur buddy.
How many of you guys actually watch the en statement? To the Christian please watch his end statement as it is gospel and not apologetics we must be better with gospel then apologetics.
what are some better philosophies for living life?...also do you believe Jesus was a historically person?...if so, how do account and explain the life he lived?
Tiberitus is not the only historian of antiquity. There was also Claudius, Josephus, and that only covers some of the non christian historians who wrote about Jesus. Do more research before you attach someone's credibility.
@universalheir I argued these points with Cliff when he came to campus last year, citing reliable authorities like the Oxford Annotated Bible. I think it's good to refute apologetics because it helps people who find Christianity unfulfilling realize that there is plenty of room for skepticism and better philosophies for living life. I wish Cliff would post more videos where he is seriously challenged rather than just the ones that make him look good. The picture is bigger than this.
I expressed a lack of belief in Christian theism. Equal grounding. I don't see how I have any burden of evidence to support my claim that I found secular philosophy more fulfilling other than my own experience. I will disregard you "FACEPALM" violent imagery. What would you consider to be "evidence" so that I can answer your request.
It would help for Cliffe to give answers that are factually correct. I researched one of Cliffe's claims that there are 42 sources within 150 years of Jesus' life, but only 10 for the Roman emperor Tiberius. It turns out that Cliffe missed a whopping 33 sources for Tiberius and was over 75% wrong! Moreover, if you readjust the number to contemporaries alone, Jesus has 0 sources and Tiberius has 13. Mr. Knechtle has no credibility or integrity as an authority in any respect.
“Familiarity breeds contempt” if you live in the realm of that thought then you will never achieve to respect others in life. Kid lives in the world view of “contents”You don’t think professor at university, public speakers or even stand up comedians do the same? He needs to learn how to humble himself to recognize truth even though you hear the same message over and over again, just like the Bible, if you over come that then you begin to find message within the message and find new meaning each time.
Uh, Swam? Dying for something doesn't make it true. According to the Chiran Peace Museum at Kagoshima, Japan, 1,036 kamikaze suicide pilots died believing in the divinity of Emperor Hirohito in the Second World War. Tell me what your historical expertise tell you about how true their beliefs were.
One thing for sure you know nothing about, is the quran my friend. If you truely knew about mohammad and his quran...you would not be trying to candy coat it. You need to seriously read the quran and hadith with a arabic native Christian to find out.
You have also failed to provide evidence for why Theism or Christianity is "better." I am sorry to say that your comment contains only personal opinion, dogma, and absolutely zero evidence. Please refrain from personal insults in your subsequent posts.
So that must mean that Joseph Smith was telling the truth about his Golden Tablets when he was beaten to death as a martyr. Hussein ibn Ali, a Muslim, was tortuously murdered for what he believed, and under your system that means he was speaking the truth. Bhai Mati Das, a Sikh martyr, was also tortured to death, which means according to you, Sikhism is also true. So are you willing to accept Mormonism, Islam, and Sikhism now?
You have decided to do little more than attack me personally with insults like "pathetic." I speak from personal experience where I am happy as an Epicurean, but was miserable when I was once Christian. That was the subject being discussed when I brought up Christianity being unsatisfying for many and G14Soccer asked for other philosophies. I'm not sure what you expect in the realm of evidence, beyond a magical deity somehow providing a "better" moral code, despite torturing billions eternally.
Tells a man twice his age to grow up, proceeds to run away like a stupid child. If you truly believe there's no god, you wouldn't follow the guy for 10 years. So who's the fake?
People are so dishonest about Christians doing wrong. Who else do you know that literally travels around and helps people in need? I certainly don’t do it.
1GodOnlyOne, you are relying to some rather childish remarks at this point and just spouting "atheist total fail," when you have still failed present an argument or any supporting evidence for your opinion. All you have provided is the personal opinion that Christian theism is better. Please address this issue more maturely if you wish to have a serious discussion.
And in any case, you're more than welcome to present your best evidence for your particular god or gods' existence. The one piece of evidence that convinced YOU to believe. I'm just pretty sure I've heard them all, and they aren't very impressive. Most of them aren't even evidence, just philosophical word games and thought experiments.
Cliff only respects that he was a historical person. That is his point, even if you don't believe Muhammed, you can believe he was a historical person like Jesus was an actual person. Then you study what they claimed to be true and see if it lines up with reality.
Apparently you haven't been following Cliffe's videos, the poor man looked like an idiot child in #2910... Although to be fair, it only seems to be the UofA that gives him any real opposition. Cliffe is usually much better at picking schools that will give him softball questions, but every now and then he makes the mistake of visiting the Wildcats and he gets schooled like a little child. If Cliffe knew what was good for his smoke and mirrors show, he'd stay well away from Tucson.
I found that video to be totally understandable, so I'm not sure why he supposedly looked like an "idiot child". He answered all of their questions fully, from what I can see.
@@taramckinley7585 atheists live life with blinders on, ignoring the truth right in front of them. its not surprising when they interpret a video differently.
Kid accuses Cliffe of saying the same thing over and over again.
Apparently he believes the truth should change every now and then.
I agree, and it’s not like hes getting different questions lol. Many of the questions people have are the same so he just gives them the same answers sometimes. That’s life
@@SpaceEagle93my thoughts exactly. When someone asks what is 2+2 and you say 4. The other person in reality was expecting 2+2=(16^2)/(8^2) or a different answer every time.
Intro = SAVAGE Cliffe
DESTRUCTION 😂😂😂
Im not a Christian. But i love watching Cliffe. And hope to one day meet the man. Hahaha I'd never approach him with hate like that first kid. I just don't believe in what he does. But I agree with most of what he has to say.
@@MrT9822 respect :)
@@MrT9822 but this is how you get souls, stand out and talk to people, it’s a drive when you get closer to Jesus
@@TickFlicks-You.got.it7 I agree wholeheartedly!
You always say the same things... Well duh people always ask the same questions lol
The more you watch Cliffe. The more you see how these are questions everyone has. But no one cares to answer. And God Forbid you actually exercise your mind and learn the answer for yourself.
@@MrT9822 absolutely, same question or going to the same direction! 🙏🏾
EXACTLY
In my opinion the reason your not a fraud is because your story has remained the same. The earth and universe will fade away but the word of God will remain. Mad respect to you Cliff, can’t wait to meet you in Heaven! 🙏
That talking segment at the end about worry and anxiety has helped me tremendously. Thank you Jesus for Cliff. God bless you
that guy at the beginning.. if hes been watching for the past 10yrs as faithfully as he has... it shows hes searching for answers... Heck hes probably watching this episode now haha.. Some people take time :)
God
Bless you wherever you are now ❤
Damn that kid got roasted at the beginning xD nice one cliffe
Excellent job man of God:🔥🔥🔥
Thank you Cliffe, needed the comfort. Love you my friend.
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE THIS GUY. Cliff Is such a cool guy. GO CLIFF!
if you cant see it, touch it then it must not be real. I thought like that once
+None strawman argument
verses everything is simply a strange coincidence argument
people believe in that "strawman argument"
Zain844 you can crack your head and see your brain, you can drop a rock and see gravity pull it down, you can electric circuits measure radio waves - that's called science. and then there's things you cant see. thank you for making my point
Cliff was in gangsta mode that day, awesome to see God revealing truths through him.
these students care not if there is a God, they just want to ask questions proving their theory is right. No need to convince people of God but let them decide for themselves after preaching the gospel, there is more evidence that God is real and that these people are contradicting themselves.
+TipsyTerby Very well put dude :). I noticed something else as-well which is the a last kid with the back-pack with the white shirt, was being an intellectual hypocrite & totally contradicted himself on that part of the video 16:50 mins. He says "why there wasn't any cameras or tape recorders back then to record the talking". Then Cliffe gives the example with (Forrest Gump) shaking Kennedy's hand explaining to him "that it wasn't real & that it was edited". Then the kid says "that it gives more crediting to the fact that is true". That is totally intellectual hypocrisy, because if it had happen that someone had recorded one of the followers of Jesus that claimed he/she speaking with Jesus in person I bet you that people will not be satisfied with that type of evidence either and would say it's a fallacy by saying 'it's just hearsay or the tape has been falsely edited'. So it boils down to the whole fact that people just don't want see or can't think beyond using their common-sense to rationalize, and as a paradox! 'having too much intelligence is mother-fucking dangerous' because that's what makes people lack common-sense to think of the simple basic things in life.
+Tiger Snake Sorry dude I meant at the 16:00 mins video lol.
Exactly I agree with you.
the people referenced were "martyrs" in the 1st century. Not limited to the apostles. Ceasar Nero was known for this and can be referenced by reviewing Roman Historian Tacticus (he was a young boy living in Rome during the time of the martyrdoms). His book is called Annals. He is not the only person who recorded it. Second point... Are not eyewitness testimonies considered valid in court? BTW, the gospel of John does record a courtroom testimony. Pontius Pilate was the judge.
Great one Cliffe, no worries
I love you cliffe
This was good 👍
great post Cliffe
Haha...that first guy.
Spews his bigoted intolerance then quickly runs away before Cliffe gets a chance to destroy him.
Typical.
I've spoken with Cliff during his visits to the University of Arizona for a number of years now and have never found him to be persuasive. As a graduate student in Classics, specializing in Ancient History, I have studied many ancient texts in both Latin and Greek, including the Koine Greek texts in the N.T. The gospels have unknown authorship, rely primarily on oral tradition, were composed after a substantial time gap, and are written as theologies rather than history.
Ya,it's called being consistent 😂😂
Did this guy really say he doesn't believe because there were no video footage or a picture taken of him???? REALLY???...LOL!!!!
It's why I don't believe in Abraham Lincoln. You're telling me he was shot in a movie theater and there is no video of him? I'm calling bs.
The problem is not that the overwhelming evidence doesn't convince them logivally but that they made up their mind beforehand not wanting to be convinced so they make up excuses for every evidence presented. The question you really have to ask them is: "If Christianity is true would you become a Christian." If their answer is"no", no piece of evidence will ever convince them. They are not on a truth quest but a happiness quest. They are a cynik, not a skeptic. I thank God for the wonderful evidence we have and that he gave me a rational mind to understand that following Christ is the only way to heaven.
The apocryphal books were rejected for such reasons. They did not mesh with the reliable accounts of the new testament. (written hundreds of years later) I became a Christian at 25 and much like Simon Greenleaf I made sure the scriptures are trustworthy. Simon was the most famous professor of Law from Harvard. He developed the system of evaluating evidence that we use in law today. He was challenged by collegues to apply this to the ressurection claim, and he became a believer as a result.
Not true Matthew, Acts was dated 62 AD written by Luke. This was obviously after the Gospell of Luke, and most biblical historians agree that Lukes gospel was not the first, but rather Mark was. So even being conservative with tracking backward we end up within about a decade of the life of Christ.
Yes many people die for what they believe. But being torturously murdered for something you know is false is a totally different story. And that's what Matthew is suggesting happened.
Haters gonna hate, but at least they’re hearing the good word along the way:)
That guy 18:39 said the Bible is unreliable because theres dialogue, how silly is that.
Any and all similarities among various Theistic traditions lend credibility to those traditions --
they by no means take away from their credibility.
she should talk in cambridge
haha the first guy...
God is the author of the revealed scriptures, not man.
"attack" :)
The most ridiculous truth claim at the intro,
"You've been nothing but consistent , hence you are a fraud and a fake"
That is the reason Cbriat is trustworthy, because he is consistent
It's amazing to me the mental gymnastics people are willing to perform in order to run away from God.
Lol @ _"run away from God"_
He is the hide & seek champion of the universe there is nothing to run away from 😜
@@trumpbellend6717 Famous last words.
@@taramckinley7585 what were YOUR last words again ? Oh I remember _"that's Purely a secular idea"_ 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@trumpbellend6717 Famous last words? I dont think that's a purely secular idea, it happens all the time when someone says something and is wrong when all is said and done. I'd say that is more likely a Christian idea than a secular one, because why would an atheist or non-believer worry about their opinion being wrong now, when they believe they're right and there is nothing after death?If I'm wrong, then I havent lost anything after I die. My position is that sadly non-believers will suffer for it in the end after denying Christ for their entire lives, therefore, "Famous last words" applies.
@@taramckinley7585 lol I was talking about your man is not an animal NONSENCE from your other thread 😜
Heh, if you want to threaten me, you can. I guarantee you no judge would agree, and I'd make a comfortable award for my trouble.
In other words, you not only are in no position to threaten me, but even if you were you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Now, I would ask that you stop with the threats. Unlike Mr. Cliffe, I like to keep a civil tone...
Any range of secular philosophies I would argue are better for living life. Personally, I live by an Epicurean philosophy (somewhat adapted by Utilitarianism and social contract theory)... Yes, I do believe that Jesus existed, as did Saint Nicholas and Elvis. However, that does not mean that I believe in Santa Clause or that Elvis is still alive. Jesus' life can be explained the same way as other ancient persons who had miracles attributed to them (e.g. Vespasian).
There is only one God.
To the guy at the intro: you complained about him giving the same answers for the past 10 years. Would you rather he give inconsistant answers that contradict? Truth is exclusive by nature, so you've validated Cliff with your tantrum. Please think more critically before throwing a fit next time.
You said 2+2=4 for 20 years now you hypocrite!
--Amended--
You might not know this, but when you published your statement reading: "I confronted him (meaning Cliffe) with evidence of his plagiarism"; you are gratuitously inviting into your world a civil action for libel. Again, you may dissent, but statements like that do not help anyone.
But why should anyone be surprised with your actions if Proverbs 10:14 says:"...the mouth of a fool invites ruin."
Mr. Toasty, please keep in mind that he right to dissent is not a license to offend.
Five people see a horrendous car accident. The police question the five eye witnesses separately and take their testimony. Each told what they saw from their perspective but all agreed, car A was traveling at a high rate of speed and ran the red light striking car B who had the green light . The eye witnesses may have differing minor details but that doesn’t make their eye witness testimony less reliable because they all agree on what caused the accident. It’s really hypocritical to say the eye witness testimony of the disciples about the resurrection of Christ is unreliable just because it happened 2,000 year ago, but eyewitness testimony is reliable because it happened today.
When Cliffe's elementary argument breaks down he starts to attack the person. I have watched Cliffe in many debates and he has yet to do well. He went to a no-name college and learned how to trap a person in a position and argue against what he thinks they believe. He has a spiel he likes to say and doesn't take seriously what his opponent is saying. This is entertaining and quite sad at the same time. He should just encourage them to search and find their own truth.
He does encourage people to exercise rational thinking, to think for themselves, including to read for themselves whatever sources they might want to attack prior to attacking them... I don't think him going to a "no name college" is relevant in the slightest.
I also find that he takes incredibly seriously what his "opponents" (your term, not mine) say.
Does Cliffe sometimes not perfectly understand what the other person is saying? Yes, as is the case with me. And, I'd be willing to bet, as is the case with you.
And no, Matt isn't saying these people died for something that they knew was false. He's clearly saying that they died for something they believed to be true, but was in actuality really just false. I'd ask that you stop misrepresenting other peoples' statements, Swam.
@ryalnz if he had really watched for that long...yeah, but he lied. there is no way he watched for 10 years.
You might not know this, but when you published your statement reading: "I confronted him (meaning Cliffe) with evidence of his plagiarism"; you are gratuitously inviting into your world a civil action for libel. Again, you may dissent, but statements like that do not help anyone.
But why should anyone be surprised with your actions if Proverbs 10:14 says:"...the mouth of a foll invites ruin."
Remember, the right to dissent is not a license to offend.
I just researched quotes from Alexander the great, supposing the second person talking was speaking of him saying we don't have accounts of what he said. that's a lie. skepticism isn't reason enough to not put your faith in the Christ, Jesus.
Well of course there are "history students" like you who are on the fringe. You presuppose the past and refuse to look at evidence objectively. The majority of respectable historians of antiquity accept the historical value of Tiberius, Claudius, and Josephus, and even the apostle Luke. Lets not forget that not only did people write about Jesus within a decade of his crucifixion, but countless witnesses willingly died horribly for believing something you claim they knew was false. Sur buddy.
How many of you guys actually watch the en statement? To the Christian please watch his end statement as it is gospel and not apologetics we must be better with gospel then apologetics.
I dismiss muhammad because of muhammad, in light of Gods Living Word Jesus Christ, it's a no brainer! Comparing the two is like night and day!
what are some better philosophies for living life?...also do you believe Jesus was a historically person?...if so, how do account and explain the life he lived?
I think he wants him to contradict himself, so he can be dis-proven
Tiberitus is not the only historian of antiquity. There was also Claudius, Josephus, and that only covers some of the non christian historians who wrote about Jesus. Do more research before you attach someone's credibility.
It's kind of funny, I always get this sort of spiel from people who have no evidence to back up their claims...
I suppose one could question the documentation of Christ when he spoke with Satan in the desert
Which must look confusing to you when these "children" school Cliffe on his own holy book...
@universalheir I argued these points with Cliff when he came to campus last year, citing reliable authorities like the Oxford Annotated Bible. I think it's good to refute apologetics because it helps people who find Christianity unfulfilling realize that there is plenty of room for skepticism and better philosophies for living life. I wish Cliff would post more videos where he is seriously challenged rather than just the ones that make him look good. The picture is bigger than this.
That guy In the beginning is going to have a rude awakening when he dies, repent!
I expressed a lack of belief in Christian theism. Equal grounding. I don't see how I have any burden of evidence to support my claim that I found secular philosophy more fulfilling other than my own experience. I will disregard you "FACEPALM" violent imagery.
What would you consider to be "evidence" so that I can answer your request.
It would help for Cliffe to give answers that are factually correct. I researched one of Cliffe's claims that there are 42 sources within 150 years of Jesus' life, but only 10 for the Roman emperor Tiberius. It turns out that Cliffe missed a whopping 33 sources for Tiberius and was over 75% wrong! Moreover, if you readjust the number to contemporaries alone, Jesus has 0 sources and Tiberius has 13. Mr. Knechtle has no credibility or integrity as an authority in any respect.
“Familiarity breeds contempt” if you live in the realm of that thought then you will never achieve to respect others in life. Kid lives in the world view of “contents”You don’t think professor at university, public speakers or even stand up comedians do the same? He needs to learn how to humble himself to recognize truth even though you hear the same message over and over again, just like the Bible, if you over come that then you begin to find message within the message and find new meaning each time.
Uh, Swam? Dying for something doesn't make it true. According to the Chiran Peace Museum at Kagoshima, Japan, 1,036 kamikaze suicide pilots died believing in the divinity of Emperor Hirohito in the Second World War. Tell me what your historical expertise tell you about how true their beliefs were.
One thing for sure you know nothing about, is the quran my friend. If you truely knew about mohammad and his quran...you would not be trying to candy coat it. You need to seriously read the quran and hadith with a arabic native Christian to find out.
You have also failed to provide evidence for why Theism or Christianity is "better." I am sorry to say that your comment contains only personal opinion, dogma, and absolutely zero evidence. Please refrain from personal insults in your subsequent posts.
So that must mean that Joseph Smith was telling the truth about his Golden Tablets when he was beaten to death as a martyr. Hussein ibn Ali, a Muslim, was tortuously murdered for what he believed, and under your system that means he was speaking the truth. Bhai Mati Das, a Sikh martyr, was also tortured to death, which means according to you, Sikhism is also true. So are you willing to accept Mormonism, Islam, and Sikhism now?
You have decided to do little more than attack me personally with insults like "pathetic." I speak from personal experience where I am happy as an Epicurean, but was miserable when I was once Christian. That was the subject being discussed when I brought up Christianity being unsatisfying for many and G14Soccer asked for other philosophies. I'm not sure what you expect in the realm of evidence, beyond a magical deity somehow providing a "better" moral code, despite torturing billions eternally.
Tells a man twice his age to grow up, proceeds to run away like a stupid child. If you truly believe there's no god, you wouldn't follow the guy for 10 years. So who's the fake?
People are so dishonest about Christians doing wrong. Who else do you know that literally travels around and helps people in need? I certainly don’t do it.
1GodOnlyOne, you are relying to some rather childish remarks at this point and just spouting "atheist total fail," when you have still failed present an argument or any supporting evidence for your opinion. All you have provided is the personal opinion that Christian theism is better. Please address this issue more maturely if you wish to have a serious discussion.
And in any case, you're more than welcome to present your best evidence for your particular god or gods' existence. The one piece of evidence that convinced YOU to believe. I'm just pretty sure I've heard them all, and they aren't very impressive. Most of them aren't even evidence, just philosophical word games and thought experiments.
I like cliff, but he needs to study the false prophet muhammad and stop respecting him.
Cliff only respects that he was a historical person. That is his point, even if you don't believe Muhammed, you can believe he was a historical person like Jesus was an actual person.
Then you study what they claimed to be true and see if it lines up with reality.
Apparently you haven't been following Cliffe's videos, the poor man looked like an idiot child in #2910...
Although to be fair, it only seems to be the UofA that gives him any real opposition. Cliffe is usually much better at picking schools that will give him softball questions, but every now and then he makes the mistake of visiting the Wildcats and he gets schooled like a little child. If Cliffe knew what was good for his smoke and mirrors show, he'd stay well away from Tucson.
I found that video to be totally understandable, so I'm not sure why he supposedly looked like an "idiot child". He answered all of their questions fully, from what I can see.
@@taramckinley7585 atheists live life with blinders on, ignoring the truth right in front of them. its not surprising when they interpret a video differently.
Why would I study a fake topic like theology? All it is is just the philosophy of mythology. I deal in the real world.
What makes you think this is the real world?