Gotta give it to wave. I would be fuming. I'm not capable of taking shit from anyone, would have blown up there and leave the static right away. Yeah I know, this is why I play alone lmao.
@@kroganlauncher Man, i would call him a piece of shit that can't see the healer wasting his mana when no damage is going down, in front of the stream and everything, shit was blood boiling wtf
@@blueroseknight1 narcissistic is a bit much. Clearly no one, including Rin, weren't truly looking at the logs when that conversation took place. Rin took a surface look at the situation and was clearly wrong. The leader of the group was the one who lied when he used the logs as justification to kick this guy out.
- wastes 1/3 of mana for nothing - leaves the group mid lockout without saying anything - leaves discord - refuses to talk to people Yep, that's totally normal human behaviour. This video reminded me how many maladjusted people play online these days. I think that's just crazy lizard people things.
xiv is so passive aggressive, people can't take any criticism and if you call anyone out for dragging a group down, don't be surprised if the group turns on you for being 'toxic'
@@TheTerrorofDeath23 This exactly. This healer *knows* that they are weak because that healing looks purely like the "panic" healing I've seen in PF. Dice is upset because data shows that they're wrong, and they're too insecure and bigheaded to admit that they're wrong hence leaving EVERYTHING to avoid being put in the position to explain themselves and instead chose to look like a victim. It's pathetic.
The worst part is that this behavior is often encouraged. During their little discussion someone said "well your cohealer left so you should think about whos really upset" or something along those lines. Now obviously i dont know what happened before and maybe they explained themselves properly before leaving (whether they were in the wrong or not.) But throwing a fit to get your way is something thats becoming increasingly common. Encouraging temper tantrums is absolutely the worst thing to do and it should not be tolerated as being even remotely normal under any circumstances.
If you can’t tell your friend that they’re doing something wrong and actively punish other people for your friends mistakes then there is something really wrong with that friendship
I was in a static where it was mostly friends. Static leader was okay with HIS friends missing raid, making mistakes and what not. Heaven forbid one of the non bffs miss raid or make mistakes. We were heald to a different standards than the bffs.
I was kicked out of my last static because my co healer was friends with the two tanks and can relate. It's so frustrating when people will nitpick everything you do, comb through every GCD, watch a VOD second by second just to find excuses to justify blaming you when their friend is the obvious issue.
me and my close friend from high school have raided together since we joined in late stormblood. We do ultimate prog together, not the super current stuff but recently finished up TEA. If we could not tell each other that the other was being an idiot or needed to step it up, we wouldn't be where we are. Communication, even when it's telling someone their problems, is so essential, moreso as friends outside of video game content. So absolutely yes to your comment
Right? I'm guessing it's just ''online friendship'' tbh, since normal people would actually tell their friend what they're doing wrong to help them become better and enjoy the game more because they're just doing better.
@@highwhen Except this isnt the second time, or the 3rd, 4th, or 5th. It seems like every tier, Rin finds himself in drama or someone has a clip of him being verbally abusive towards party members.
dice is well known in the parsing community on crystal. no one wants to coheal with dice. shit tier attitude, shit tier healing. the lead (peter) is big shrimpin for dice tho, I knew some other people in this group that got kicked because dice didn't want them for no reason. they also use forbidden "technology" seeing something like this, as a longtime raider on crystal, doesn't suprise me at all. dice/peter and friends are 100% trouble and shit tier humans, at best. it's nice to see other people realize how much of a dickass dice is tho
Rin was being so passive aggressive. Rin actually gaslighted the fuck out of wave to protect dice that was originally in the friend group. Even though Dice was the one who was creating the issues during the prog wasting all his mana. Rin probably made Wave feel like he was actually insane and genuinely not healing enough. Insane passive aggressive manipulation
@@polmao that the basic of the ffxiv community - Passive Aggressive and fake "kindness" because they are too afraid to be banned. You always have BS in the background outside of the game where they will gaslight, treat you like trash and then make it out you where the super toxic person. Had this once or twice with groups but then I find in other groups I am a super down to earth person so its like okay? Honestly I find FFXIV community worse than WoWs.
"We keep having this problem in P3, Dice is straining himself" - that is technically true and that's because he's spending all his mana when he shouldn't. but unless you sit down and explain this like Wave does in the beginning of the video they will never understand. They look at the logs, see that Dice is casting a fuck ton of GCDs when Wave isn't and conclude that Dice is doing the good thing because the party is alive, without realizing that the reason they're alive there is because there's no damage to heal from and he just wants to keep his healing uptime for higher funny numbers
@@KiraNightV If they can't read the logs beyond the most surface level then I wonder what they're doing in TOP in the first place. Whoever looks at casts without the context of what's happening in the fight at that point should probably not comment on anyones performance.
Dice is well-known in Crystal for being a massive griefer and a really terrible person to boot. It's insane that they are protecting him over Wave, when you could ask anyone in the Crystal raiding scene and they would tell you that Dice is an instant kick/dodge.
@@mancik17 As a healer who has been in the same situation as the AST, I feel absolutely DISGUSTED on how Rin spoke to him. Hope the AST found a static that deserves him.
Well, they are Xeno's chat after all. Chat reflects the streamer. I bet many of them were surprised that Xeno wasn't being as toxic and douchey as they are, or at least approve of their toxicity.
The words "It's ok to cry" and calling out chat for clowning around someone for being upset. People need to hear it more even if its in a video game socially interacting with people opens you up to getting hurt by them too .This happens all the time in retail, customer service etc, yes you will learn to block it out and keep trucking but it still hurts and some people might be more prone to it than others. It happens in life too many damn times, the only thing different was that it was in an online game, which somehow in people mind takes the novelty out of the social experience. Everyone has a bad day, and I respect a man that is willing to reign their audience in when they don't like what is being said.
@@stevebob2941 You do realize that there’s neurobiological evidence that emotional and physical pain register similarly in the brain? So the next time someone kicks you in your tiny balls, hopefully someone will tell you the same thing about sucking it up 😁 If you’re so emotionally stunted that someone is expressing theirs earnestly threatens your fragile concept of masculinity, then it’s you that needs to suck it up and get yourself help.
You missed the part where the leader of the group is actually the guy who was caught zoom hacking with Rin the first week. Rin was grouping with him since the release, the leader just name changed and Rin thought everyone would fall for it (the leaders old name was Ai’magril and changed it to Aya Magril, he is also on the clown list). That guy gaslights even his own audience.
Them telling him to “stop yelling” when the healer was talking calmly and explaining their point is INSANE. No one should have to deal with a party like this. Hope that healer was able to find a better party b/c Rin and this party are a bunch of chodes.
Rin was wrong, but he was raising his voice and getting emotinal...so in that moment he was right. Over all he was wrong and just protecting his friend
@aaron clay Gotta learn how people react.., Just say, let's all have a breather and take a break, and then converse later.., if the Leader pulled that shit, anyone could of just stepped aside and said that wasn't their decision.., in the end, if you have empathy/sympathy, you'd let people compose themselves. you don't go running after the person who ran.
@@aaronclay4665 TBH, after watching the video myself and watching arthar's reaction stream and this video, i cant tell that wave was raising his voice, but i do felt he is emotional there. Rin felt like that as long as whatever u say those things that is not what he want to hear, u r consider yelling and shouting to him
i had the same experience at work. I was explaining concerns and then they told me to calm down or stop yelling. my brain shutdown, fell silent for 3 minutes and tone deaf from emotion. Anyone would flipped at that situation.
This guy basically gaslighted by ppl that don't want to admit their circle played bad Also when does rin karigani do something not controversial anyway, dude is literally a walking red flag
Im starting to kinda understand when someone does something sus so many times and it gets brushed aside because I kinda feel it with rin. He's repeatedly mentioned in drama and I'm like but it couldn't have been him 😭 I think I gotta throw in the towel on rin man.
@@SILVERONIN Ive never seen him before but that like really monotone talking while being an asshole and then when someone reacts being like "woah youre yelling" is so annoying I hate when people do that
Oh yeah what he said to Wave makes it clear, he is gonna take ages to clear it and ideally should never be allowed to clear it because he doesn't deserve it.
Okay, I know it's a bit off topic but can we talk about chat ACTIVELY making fun of the guy for being upset? Thank god Xeno told em' to shut the fuck up at 44:00 because this kind of shitty behavior's shouldn't be a thing. I mean, hell, Just the fact that you can be made fun of for being upset and showing emotions... Dude clearly has been bottling that shit up for a while and it's literally BEGGING to be released. This, is exactly why so many people are actually terrified of showing emotions, because random-ass people like the ones in chat will judge them and even laugh at them, even though they NEVER met the person before and they don't even have the full context. Personally, I can 100% relate to what the dude is going through, because the same shit happened to me in most MMO's I played, the breaking point was Guild Wars 2 when I was farming Fractals (Pretty much high level dungeons) with my old static, these people were OBSESSED with their stupid DPS meter and would actively be passive aggressive to those who did not reach a certain amount of DPS, even though some of the people were playing supportive roles. And lemme tell you... it feels like SHIT to be yelled at and guilt tripped just because you're not living up to some arbitrary standards that some dipshit made up. And eventually, after enough abuse... you're just gonna reach a breaking point, I know I reached mine a long time ago, and as a result I don't run high end raiding content anymore, and I suspect the dude might reach that same breaking point if he doesn't find a static with actually decent human beings in it Edit: also, just for clarity's sake, know that the vast majority of groups you'll find in FF14 and GW2 are almost all super nice, those bad experiences are the exception, not the rule. Just wanted to throw that out there because I know my comment make it sounds like every single high end groups are that bad, but they aren't, especially not in GW2 and FF14
Yeah, Xeno had a valid point when he said told them to imagine themselves in that situation. The fact that they were gaslighting this guy because they didn't want to admit that their friend is being a sh*t healer would upset anyone. They were pretty much uno reverse carding this guy while he was trying to logically explain his points.
Bunch of chronically online freaks. "Oh wow a human has emotions, being gaslit and putdown by people he raided weeks with, how pathetic." The internet was a mistake.
This dude is right to make a video defending himself. Rin being a fairly big streamer, lots of people probably saw that and thought "wow this guy is a bad healer, I dunno if I'd wanna raid with him" when he was 100% in the right, his cohealer was garbage, and Rin made ignorant, dumbass statements about it. Honestly this dude sounds legit, I've been raiding slightly longer and still haven't done an Ultimate, clearing current savage tiers and DSR on Astro? Progging P5 in TOP? Man I wish I was that good, I'm happy just getting purple parses on tank, and am still trying to find a group to do literally any Ultimate with.
This response will get slept on but is completely true. Since rin is a streamer and a lot of good players view his stream, they would have a negative view of him as a healer and make it harder to find a new group. He did kinda have to come out and put himself out there just to defend his ability to play in good groups moving forward.
@@blairbryan4040 honestly we could push it further and just say outright defamation. idk about other people since I don't watch streams I just have it in the background for twitch drops, but unless someone is fully tuned in they're gonna miss context. not only that but twitch chat is so quick that the hive mind that their favorite streamer did something wrong would be making light of it without acknowledging accountability for it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone got turned off from FFXIV and ended a sub if treated like this REPEATEDLY. Hell for some people once might be it for them and I wouldn't judge them for it.
Every time Rin's name comes up, it's stupid drama, and to me, it's so funny that it's exactly the guy that tries to portray himself as the super positive, super inclusive, everything is peachy kinda guy. You know, it's like when you see those PFs that say "let's have fun! No salt!", but turn out to be the trappiest, most toxic parties you can join.
This reminds me of a funny story actually. I used to parse quite a bit in edens gate, and as such I would run into parties with rin. Whenever we ended up in the same party we would both join in GNB since it’s the class we both played the most. The way he would try to settle it after awhile is “best logs takes GNB”, I actually had better logs than him leading up to TEA and he would get upset and just leave the party since I wouldn’t flex for him every time.
Man Rin has ruined so many of my PF parties in the past. The last time I dealt with it was last expansion me & a friend were trying to parse E9 and we spent 3 hours with Rin & Momo grieving the shit out of us. I'm petty, I'll remember that shit lmao Both of them are now forever on my blocklist. The whole time they were both blaming random people when over half the wipes were because of them. I have no idea how either of them got a following.
Holy shit listening to rin during that argument was actually triggering me so hard how fucking dumb can one person be? Man i feel sorry wave. i imagine he is emotional because rins stream most likely attacked him as well. Also i'm glad Xeno told his chat of for them making fun at him. the guy was in the right, and had streamers telling him "no, you're wrong :)"
You guys know what's funny about this? Rin stuck with the healer that is infamous for being a bad healer and is in an actual Crystal blacklist document than the healer that carried their ass despite said bad healer.
I saw Rin’s video on another channel….and man Rin IS crazy. Wave was trying to tell the guy nicely to stop wasting mana. And then he got ganged up with him and Dice. They were telling him HE was the problem. HE was aggressive. Christ.
I tanked for this group for a bit near release, that dice person is incredibly arrogant. The first day we were in everyone was shouting at each other cause dice was flipping their shit about something or other. And basically everything they say is in the tone or phrasing of "you're all idiots why do i even play with you, you're lucky to have me here". Anyway, they started acting like a child the second day too. So I dm'd the leader said this persons annoying af, I'm not wasting 14 hours a day on someone like this and left lol. Seen them posting for new members every week since I left. Clearly not a "blaze" problem. I don't get why people insist on playing with people they don't like, just dip, who cares. You'll clear eventually, if you're not the problem in a group.
Wave: "I'm here to talk about the ableism I've experienced" Chat: 'constantly complains about the gaps inbetween talking' "Omg get on with it" "bro takes a pause every 4 words" "Unscripted videos be like..." Incredible, really.
@@ZelosSama I feel like no one talks in this game. Do all types of content and no one talks in parties or out in the world. Do you guys just get all your interactions from discord?
@@PeachyBeachBum people do talk . And it comrs from a lot of places you have the opportunity to share an opinion they don't agree with Unless you are in a good fc that also criticise the game too.
Xeno was right to correct his chat multiple times. It's easy to laugh something off when you've put no effort into it yourself. It's very hard to stop yourself from being emotional when you put a lot of time and effort. You've committed yourself to something, did your absolute best, and it resulted in this. I'm happy to be a Xeno viewer after today, not many streamers are brave enough to correct their chat on something like this.
I've had wow guild drama the first few weeks after the first raid of BFA dropped that ended up losing me every contact I had in that guild. I found out how fake everyone was but something nagged me like I was somehow wrong. If I appeased the people who treated me badly better, or something along those lines, maybe it wouldn't have gone that way. But the truth was they were all liars and the moment they perceived any slight against of their in crowd from me they told me to get into a discord call and chewed me out. I didn't even know who the guy was, he wasn't even in the raids I ran into him in a guild dungeon run while he was talking a lot of shit about how he was a lawyer that worked for blizz and all I said to one person I thought actually liked me in the guild was that I thought he wasn't telling the truth. Bam, now I'm "antisocial" and a weirdo and they "trusted" me. And they were going to shun me but not kick me out of the guild because they wanted me to learn my lesson for not believing their fucking loser liar friend. We weren't even trying mythic bosses. It was a very casual raiding guild and they took it that seriously. It was crybaby pathetic and everyone involved was WELL north of 25 years old. I put so much time and energy into grinding things and giving advice to other Demon Hunters who had better gear but wasn't pulling the same numbers (not that I was good, they weren't looking up how to play the class.) But I go from having what I thought was a guild of friends to nothing for making that "mistake". I don't fault people for taking things seriously when they're doing something difficult.
Can't believe Rin was gaslighting this healer lol, none of em had the logs up but wanted to pretend it was "problem solving" mother of god this person has saved themselves further headache.
That Dice seems like a giant man baby, leaving the call and having someone else do the talking for him (or apparently gaslighting xdd) instead of talking it out with the co-healer
He is on the Crystal pf to dodge list. He is quite infamous in Crystsl for being a really bad healer and person to play with. Ignorant or bad players who listen are fine as they are willing to improve and learn, willfully ignorant people, nothing can help them.
Lol I hear that brother, I'd rather have a shit player that's willing to listen to advice, than a ignorant fuck who thinks they do everything right.....
@@darkmirror21 explains the drama , the emotional unstability , the bitch behaviour , explains why rin is defending him , as the whole viewer base of rin is basically trans , so yeah it is relevant information
bruh what rin did there man thats the definition of attempting to gaslight someone. i get choosing your friend over a stranger but bro. aint no need to behave like that.
I feel so bad for Wave having to go through this. I already heard his video, but I didn't see his conversation with Rin and the rest of the party. I can't imagine being dogpiled on like that. It sounds like he's a bit of an anxious person, so I can imagine it was hard for him to collect his thoughts in the moment and respond appropriately. Not to mention they keep interrupting him. Also the people in chat are dumb. Being publicly humiliated and talked down to, of course Wave is going to make a video in retaliation and explain what happened. People telling him to get over it and move on are stupid, the same could be said to Rin and the others who were against Wave. This is what happens when people care.
Being emotional is to be human. Or at least acknowledging that it can happen. And not criticizing people for when someone does when they try to explain the situation that they were in or happened to be.
I don't have much exposure to Xeno's content, but this was a very interesting video. Even if people in the chat were say he was yelling, he had a very down to earth and reasonable talk about his thoughts. Also commenting that it was natural that Wave was upset was a pleasant surprise. Cool dude.
I remember Rin back from when I raided heavy during HW/SB, and I remember thinking he was a really fake tool. People like that are what made me end up quitting the game. I can only speak to my own experience, but people like him are very common in the raiding community in NA.
the people in chat and probably many others who will see this video making fun of this guy for sounding upset is most likely the very reason why he also mentioned ableism early on. not everyone can communicate perfectly and calmly. its okay to be upset, he's pretty valid here. and its okay to sound upset. its unfortunate that the more flustered you sound, the more incorrect you are in someones eyes and they can use it against you. and i think people get too caught up in the memes and reacts/emotes to actually step back, listen & critically think about whats being said
Yea he is getting emotional and it does sound like he is gonna cry, but I don't see a problem with that, he knew he was right but everyone was saying he was wrong( this is how crazy ppl feel) so I get it. Dude just wants vindication that he is right and not crazy lol.
My default reaction to any strong feeling is to cry, so this rings true for me so much. Happy? Cry Sad? Cry Angry? Cry Scared? Cry I also don't deal with confrontation well, because it just makes me (you guessed it) cry. It's why I will never raid. I agree with Xeno that anyone shaming someone for getting upset when they've been through something as stressful as this is small dick energy.
@CommanderGuy could be true for some of them, but cant say for all. im not a frequent chatter, i tend to just lurk but i was just going off of how xeno commented on the emote spam. seems like he got the same impression
Coming from someone who quit raiding as a new raider in shadowbringers because of the same situation but in reverse; (I was overhealing and instead of telling me how to mitigate they just kicked me without a word) this resonates a lot with me. Wave didn’t deserve to go through that, and getting gaslit like that is just awful. In my case, I later found out from the Samurai in our group that the reason I was kicked was because the raid leader’s friend (who was also a white mage like me) got out of the hospital and was ready to raid with them again. They never told me I was a temp. It was an awful situation and the fact I got treated so horribly; I was told I was not a good player when in fact it was because they needed an excuse to have their friend in the group… It’s disheartening. My heart goes out to Wave and I hope he finds a better group in the future.
you know at first I wondered if the sage was just fishing for crit shields by spamming it in downtime but the real reason behind it was even sadder than I imagined
Crit e.diag isn't very big. You're much better off fishing for a crit z.diag but you only have 1 chance for that unlike fishing for a critlo for deploy
i was raidlead for 7 years in wow and watching the vid triggered me. if you want to raid with your friends its fine but you have to make sure that the rest of the static knows this. but i think if you want to raid the hardest content then theres no place for favouritism. i never took couples because of this. i feel bad for the dude. what a horrible first hardcore raid experience
As someone who feels pretty intensely (I also cry when I get angry) I cannot stand this either. Being frustrated and someone telling me to stop feeling frustrated without understanding why I'm frustrated is ughhh Or just trying to gaslight me like these guys were, thank god that wasn't me I would have been crying in that conversation and probably made myself look worse 😭
I just want to give Wave a big hug, he didn't deserve any of that. As a WHM main I understand the effort you have to put into a group with GCD heals, dps and communication with your Co healer. It's not always a fun time. I wish the best for Wave that he can find a group he is happy in. It's just a game but for raiding it's still a commitment with other people. Drama happens and I respect him venting all of this.
The funny shit was, Rin would have off the steaming and talked it personally with wave nicely, but he still ran the steam, which also means part of Rin's mind was to purposely shame wave in open public. He has no right to do so, as it is within the group. So Rin brought it to the public first ( with intention ) not to mention that guy who used hack while Rin still include him in the teams. What friend's script he testing, was a paid version as one of our ex-member had shown us way long before. Aya Magril aka Ai’magril? LOL oh wow. Someone who tried to do his best like wave got kicked while someone who use hack + pack of lies stays? Hmmm what a LEADER and a group of shameless ... what hacked top clearer? Just blood boiled when i see such Steamer being a leader with hacker trying to go for top?
Yo thank you Xeno for calling people out for making fun of the guy for being upset. Like its totally okay to feel that way after putting in all that time and effort to be gaslit and booted because the cohealer sucked. The fact that people made fun of him for it shows how shitty their emotional intelligence is.
The buttons are there because he uses them to track his CDs. I do the same. The reason the things are there in the middle of the screen is because there's a lot less distance for our eyes to move in order to look at them while having to focus at the middle of the screen looking out for mechanics and what not. Them being close to the middle also allows their slight flashing when they come off CD to catch our eyes. It's a UI thing.
FF14 not being big on using mods wouldn't be in on the meta in this regard I feel It's something wow players have been doing for what feels like a decade. Your eyes are going to be where your characters feet are sometimes to try and avoid being caught in AoE's/mechanics and having your important information hiding in the very corner of the screen will take your eyes off all of that and even the character details that appear during procs.
Some people are extremely susceptible to gas lighting, I am one of those people. Even when I recognize it, it still haunts me for upwards of a couple of years later depending on how bad it was. Having an experience like this would haunt me into all my raids for the next year at least. That is exactly what people like Dice would want, they exist to make other people feel worthless, plain and simple.
Just had a very similar situation to this happen to me, and I was immediately reminded of this. I joined a TOP progg and clear group, starting at P1. I'm running AST. We had members not able to come for multiple sessions, so we were constantly running subs. We had a continual problem with the sub co-healer not knowing how to heal Program Loop properly. For those that understand how the debuffs work for that mechanic, or those that have healed that ULT, obviously you understand that you aren't supposed to dump heals on random players with damage, but that there are very specific people you're supposed to heal at very specific times. This is very easy to do, actually, but you have to understand the technicality of what's happening in order to do it right. Instead, we had substitute healers coming in and feeling they had to kitchen sink throughout loop, and weren't helping to heal 3's and 4's when they were going to take their towers. I brought this up to the raid leader multiple times, to the point that he said "we get it, you've explained this 80 times", and left the problem unaddressed. He then comes to me saying "I've looked at the logs, and these healers are putting out way more healing than you are. I hope that's eye opening", basically ignoring everything I said. I told him for the 100th time that you can't just sit there dropping heals on random people, and that we needed to focus on SPECIFIC people. Just felt completely gaslit. That same day, the static leader said we were going on a hiatus due to people not being able to show up consistently, and i just took that opportunity to walk away. Absolutely disappointing when i spent a very long time making sure I was prepared to do my job correctly.
Idk how Rin said all those things without log+vod review both healers. Calling it elitism is not wrong but favoritism started all this, they pick a side and then start scrutinizing and nitpicking why you're not good enough for the group.
*It is ok to cry*, I'm so glad you said that. It is 100% ok to be upset and have and show emotions and the sooner men realise this the sooner the suicide rates will drop and not be the number one killer of young men. I hate hearing how down this poor guy sounds in the game I love, and the raid scene is a different level of toxicity at times and I hope he finds a great group and continues to raid and enjoy the game.
It's almost at the same level as I got kicked from the new alli raid because I didn't communicate with the other NIN my mug, how parse obsessed can you be? Yes.
No way, I don't believe anyone running Alliance Raids would give that much of a fuck to the extent of kicking somebody for an ill-timed buff. Unless maybe it was a specialized premade group in PF with a particular goal in mind, even then still weird.
rin's name kept coming up in arthar's streams and in general so i checked out his twitch, but immediately got ick vibes. this whole thing just confirms it. thank you xeems/xeems editor for including that static chat clip, even tho it was gross, cuz a lot of stuff's been going around and to hear the gaslighting, manipulation, and inconsideration for ourselves is important. wave's got a lot of positive support behind him so he'll find a great group soon!
Thank you so much for standing up for him the way you did. I’ve felt this before. You’re amazing for watching his video and making valid and motivational commentary and also highlighting that emotions are okay. ❤ Man Mode baby
That clip was so infuriating to listen to, I can't believe there are people out there that stand by Rin. Villain behaviour. I even saw a clip going around of Rin laying into a guy and was warning him not to be aggressive or yell and called him a cock sucker in the same sentence. It was insane to listen to. This dude don't know what yelling or aggressive behaviour is because the guy he was attacking was talking normally lol. Absolutely baffling behaviour.
I honestly think that Rin didn't even look at the logs and just took the word of his friend over the new healer. When doing content like this you can really only focus on what you are doing and trust that your group knows what they are supposed to do. If you stop to police what everyone is doing then you die to stupid mistakes because you are not focused. I personally think the AST is right because their co-healer had a complex and it sabotaged their gameplay. This absolutely is a thing that happens with healers and this is why finding a co healer you can vibe with is so important because their overheal can fuck your logs. This Sage was being selfish and when called out about it got defensive. The sage has the raid leads ear and they are friends so they are gonna get treated differently, this isn't an elitist thing its about professionalism. Its rare to find people who can do high level content and also be your friend. Casual players don't understand the mental strain raiders go thru when completing ultimate and I don't think Rin is proud about the way he spoke to Wave but at the end of the day he still has to deal with Dice and make prog. He picked his side and now has to deal with it.
@@vicc6790 if you are a HC raider the level of personal responsibility is much higher. There is no dorito personnel and you have maybe 8 ways to do one mechanic for your role specifically and you have to learn all of them. If you have already cleared and have enough RAM in your brain to memorize everyone's role, buffs, and see what mechanic they have, all at the same time while focusing on what you have to do, by all means go ahead an police your team. The rest of us humans don't have time for that, especially during prog. Golden rule = Cover your own ass.
why are you in a raid group where you feel you need to "police" people, shouldnt you have trust and faith in the other 7 people to be just as competent as you are and working towards the same goal? Sure some people will struggle with different aspects in different ways, and different speeds but lord you make video games sound like a job and you've apointed yourself "Manager" to feel something.
If we had logs in game people would be yelling at squeenix for making a toxic game. Instead they have stopped inviting rin, and rin is a cloud of negativity and drama all on his own.
Wow, they were gas-lighting the shit out of Wave. He must have felt like he was going crazy. Dice lied his ass off and Rin bent the narrative to support him. The fact that Dice tried to say what he did was necessary and everyone believed him shows that the whole static was rotten through and through. I agree with Xeno. Wave dodged a bullet by getting kicked now. Better to rip the bandage of now than get further invested in raiding with these people.
I'm not normally one to comment on RUclips videos but I just wanted to say kudos to you for shutting down people in your chat that were making fun of the guy when he was near tears. You're absolutely right that sometimes people don't understand how much of themselves people put into ultimates. Your thoughts on this were very grounded though. Great react video.
I already kind of put the savage clears and extremes on a pedestal of "these people play this on another level from myself" so I understand the trepidation when it comes to questioning who's in the right. But there also comes a time when you need to look around and realize that you're not the issue. And if the team doesn't see that, you really need a new team. You're not doing yourself any favors bending over backwards to help those who don't want to be helped. Self-respect is just as important as respecting your team. Actually, it's probably more important. Because self-respect can allow you to see this mess for what it is and walk away. Kudos on having the courage to ask other healers for a second and third opinion.
For the last part about yelling. We don't know who is telling the truth but Rin told the guy to stop yelling when he was clearly just stressed and said dice wasn't the angry one. Then said of course dice is angry and is going to curse cause he's upset. BS meter broke for me right there.
Healers deserve more love, if things go wrong they get flamed in all content basically, Casual and hardcore. Even when they are not at fault. Totally understandable why no one wants to heal in that game…..
Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's a wonder when I see most healers they won't res or even heal. They rather dps. Seen this multiple times and one of them being ramuh's raid on hard mode where me and 3 dps's went down. The healer didn't get me up despite me being the one that kept the party alive.
Bruh, I've been in this guy's shoes. I feel for him. Hopefully, as Xeno said, it won't sour it for him like my experience did for me. Guy joins our group as a drg right before the Alexander Savages came out in HW. Convinced everyone else to let him take my OT position; I got shifted into being our melee DPS, despite the fact that I said several times, "I'm bad at melee DPS." Still, a couple of friends were in the group, so I spent literal hours on a training dummy trying to improve myself so that I would at least not drag everyone down. Spent every raid night for the next two weeks having him lecturing/insulting me about my DPS and mech mistakes (I did mess up a bit, not being used to melee DPS) between pulls. Was told outside of those raid nights by others that my DPS was good enough, even if it wasn't the best so they didn't know what he was complaining about. My friends in the raid even told me that some of the mech mistakes he'd been complaining about weren't even my fault. Finally, one raid night, our whm made a mech mistake that wiped the group. The tank immediately blamed me and began yelling and cussing. The others finally calmed him down, but it was the last straw for me. I left the instance, left the party, and messaged the leader. "I can't do this anymore, I'm literally in tears right now and that's not right. So, just so you know, I'm officially leaving the static as of this second." I've not actively raided on my own since. I offered to sub for friends' raid groups from Stormblood onward, but that's been it for me. I already have a strong case of anxiety and my experience just increased that further, sadly.
I still remember the very first drama I've heard that he was in, it was many years ago and I feel people didn't really take it seriously. I mean I thought he might've changed (but I also didn't know him to judge - although I always just felt really iffy about him even though I don't even watch him... but when I do end up on his stream, he just felt a bit off...) so I was also one of the few who didn't really take it 'too seriously'??? Even so, I always had it at the back of my mind though. It was the saltedxiv drama where the owner was gaslighted by Rin. As someone else mentioned here, once happening is an anomaly, two is a pattern... But in his case, there's 3, 4 or probably 5 times now... So... I don't know, man...
SaltedXIV isn't exactly the best example. I've tried to read their guides and they are mixed with passive aggressive rants at the Balance and complaints about new players. Their guides were written by or for Cluster B personalities and are a shit show themselves. So I'd call them equal quite honestly.
i think the healer is very emotional cause he was really happy raiding with "top" HC people like Rin and then he got really desilusionated when they gaslighted him and thats why you can feel he almost wanna cry when talking, and thats why he does pauses , besides that he need to do more PF , PF teach you that if your co healer suck you just say U SUCK and then leave the party no matter what , i had a lot of really good teams that 1 person single handed ruined it , happens but its not you who have to fix it.
@@kat-po8vx if they PF enough then they should know already how the game works, if the team dont work dont try to make it work cause nothing will change
I feel his pain. My first raid group I had to go to sub cause of school. They asked me to help them with a fight. I agreed, we cleared, I won a ring. After the fight I was told that all sun are required to pass gear to main raiders and that’s how most groups do it. In actuality the other caster that replaced me when I went sub threw a fit cause he did win gear and since they were all friends I got the shaft. My second raid group I was suppose to be a co founder. We were suppose to be a very casual group. The second we got to refulgance rhey started kicking players with low parses. I started getting scared cause I’m not a high parser. I started asking for help and what not but my friend of over 10 years was too focused on keeping the co healer on par and then they just kicked me cause I was only doing 7500 dps without my weapon and chest on refulgance. The worst part is they totally lied about kicking me and they swore to me that i was doing totally okay cause I was asking for help and what I can do to improve for two weeks before they kicked me. I know how this guy is feeling. Making you feel dumb so they can get away with doing shady shit only to find you have been lied to. I think the raid community needs to chill out.
@@waffles89fc yeah no kidding. There is literally no excuse for an experienced healer like the sage to not take the initiative to make a spreadsheet. Or rin, or any other member of that group to be quite frank
I just want to say that I am happy that you defended Wave for expressing his emotions & telling chat to fuck off, honestly. Meme or not, some people really do behave as if it's a sin to feel something or illustrate your emotions in such a way as if you aren't human or something or go through shit. You truly never know the other things a person may be enduring on their daily basis that contributes to the crap they also gotta deal with online.
This happen once (well thrice maybe) in my Asphodelos and TEA static. We let our shield healer do it with his way we can't even pass first raid wide in P3S for like 1 lockout (he didn't like to hear our input). My P1S and P2S first static clear also cleared when I replace him as shield healer. I forced myself to be a healer (even tank) for my static sake, where I was DPS since the start playing the game. Since then, I will never let people play the way they played if our group at some point stuck at the same mechanics. Communication is key, but if they never listen just leave them.
I agree with Xeno's take on parses, it also could be the person was late to a raid tier. Like me I was late this raid tier getting green parses at ilvl 610-615 when other people at 630 ilvl farm parses all day. Its just kind of inaccurate of a persons skill
fr my parses from progging the fight went from blue/green to purple after I got my weapon and I still need chest.. It feels bad how much gear affects your parse sometimes
@@Eric-ih5mb Yeah I'm just saying it feels bad when it happens. I only do pf and then got busy with school but I cleared p5/p6 week 1 and got purples early on and then didn't managed to get p7/p8 before my break. Then when I came back I got greens and I'm like oh I guess I suck but it's just not %100 accurate on either times.
Rin claiming he isn't the leader and that he vouched for wave is just him trying to flee from blame. Like the VoD is just too incriminating, the only thing he could do about it was owning up to it, apologizing and moving on. Like this guy is talking in such an assertive way to wave as if he dominates the show and now is trying to free from the circus he got himself in. :diesfromcringe:
even on the absolute worst night of prog my statics have ever had, i've never seen anyone come even close to the level of insanity that i just witnessed in that rin clip. It's honestly bewildering to me how people with this type of mentality and gameplay approach can make it this far and if it wasn't clear that is not directed toward the astro
This is the stuff as to why I stopped raiding in FFXIV. It feels like general group/members cannot take constructive criticism, raid lead safeguards friends who actively holds the group back, and punishes people for doing their job properly as it goes on. Its so damn stressful and makes progging such a slog where it begins to consume my life and time with other games. Its frustrating.
I feel for this guy. Rin should of honestly cut stream for that convo and taken more time to review. Let him show the Clip. Rin mentioned p3 when the issues was p5. Hes probably like me where he cant react well on the spot in a convo and rather plan the discussion like with this video as there are people who will speak around him making him into the enemy. The whole its ether me or him is bull. Should of had them discuss it more but its clear Dice didnt want to admit fault
Xeno's 1st take is the right one. It's not elitism, it's favoritism. They didn't like the guy, that's obvious from the clips from Rin's stream. We can go on and on about gaslighting but gaslighting is about manipulating someone into continuing with the status quo and this group clearly didn't intend to keep this guy around. They "gaslight" him by trying to twist performance metrics to fit the rational instead of just saying they don't like him. As bad as this person felt about being criticized over performance even though it was unjustified, imagine how they'd feel about being criticized about their personality.
Ahhh more ff14 drama, ofc . I love to see more of this actually comes to light and shut all those who are still trying to deny it actually exists and way bigger than most realise .
I heal rarely, but I can tell you this-even without me doing savage or ultimates, burning resources for no justifiable reason is a logical fallacy. And the difference between Elitism and Favoritism is Intelligence... Or lack thereof.
fr ive never touched ultimates because i avoid environments like the one shown in this poor guy's static like the plague, but even as measly little savage healer, I know that what dice did is completely unreasonable lol. if i was spamming gcds and swallowing my mana in gulps like that guy did during downtime, even my own savage static would have given me weird looks. smh this just goes to show that even the best players can be as biased and stupid as the worst ones.
I think whats so sad is that everyone in that toxic group got their clear and wave didnt get his... he totally deserves to earn a clear for dealing with that :/
For Xenos' sake it's worth mentioning that Dice is a notoriously tryhard player, they have a TEA healer log of gold damage and grey 0 percentile healing. Actually just a complete handicap on the other healer.
Watching Rin gaslight the Astro in that clip was fucking blood boiling, holy shit
That faux positive voice makes me ill
For real
I seldom have heard someone with a more punchable voice.
Gotta give it to wave. I would be fuming. I'm not capable of taking shit from anyone, would have blown up there and leave the static right away.
Yeah I know, this is why I play alone lmao.
@@kroganlauncher Man, i would call him a piece of shit that can't see the healer wasting his mana when no damage is going down, in front of the stream and everything, shit was blood boiling wtf
rin saying hes the calm one while antagonizing the healer who is in the right tells you exactly the type of person he is tbh
this is classic narcissistic behaviour.
That was painful to watch.
@@blueroseknight1 narcissistic is a bit much. Clearly no one, including Rin, weren't truly looking at the logs when that conversation took place. Rin took a surface look at the situation and was clearly wrong. The leader of the group was the one who lied when he used the logs as justification to kick this guy out.
@@latelotus Nah but still it didn't justify for Rin to join in and gaslight people. If I'm unsure with the situation, I'll kept my mouth close TBH.
@@latelotus narcissistic is the perfect word to describe him
- wastes 1/3 of mana for nothing
- leaves the group mid lockout without saying anything
- leaves discord
- refuses to talk to people
Yep, that's totally normal human behaviour.
This video reminded me how many maladjusted people play online these days. I think that's just crazy lizard people things.
That's what people do when someone calls them out for doing something incorrectly and they can't handle it
xiv is so passive aggressive, people can't take any criticism and if you call anyone out for dragging a group down, don't be surprised if the group turns on you for being 'toxic'
@@TheTerrorofDeath23 This exactly. This healer *knows* that they are weak because that healing looks purely like the "panic" healing I've seen in PF. Dice is upset because data shows that they're wrong, and they're too insecure and bigheaded to admit that they're wrong hence leaving EVERYTHING to avoid being put in the position to explain themselves and instead chose to look like a victim.
It's pathetic.
@@Greg-if8es I don't think you could have said it better
The worst part is that this behavior is often encouraged. During their little discussion someone said "well your cohealer left so you should think about whos really upset" or something along those lines. Now obviously i dont know what happened before and maybe they explained themselves properly before leaving (whether they were in the wrong or not.) But throwing a fit to get your way is something thats becoming increasingly common.
Encouraging temper tantrums is absolutely the worst thing to do and it should not be tolerated as being even remotely normal under any circumstances.
If you can’t tell your friend that they’re doing something wrong and actively punish other people for your friends mistakes then there is something really wrong with that friendship
legit. Im in a static with 2 of my irl friends and others i met in ff. I shout much louder at my real life friends than i do my static mates lol
I was in a static where it was mostly friends. Static leader was okay with HIS friends missing raid, making mistakes and what not. Heaven forbid one of the non bffs miss raid or make mistakes. We were heald to a different standards than the bffs.
I was kicked out of my last static because my co healer was friends with the two tanks and can relate. It's so frustrating when people will nitpick everything you do, comb through every GCD, watch a VOD second by second just to find excuses to justify blaming you when their friend is the obvious issue.
me and my close friend from high school have raided together since we joined in late stormblood. We do ultimate prog together, not the super current stuff but recently finished up TEA. If we could not tell each other that the other was being an idiot or needed to step it up, we wouldn't be where we are. Communication, even when it's telling someone their problems, is so essential, moreso as friends outside of video game content. So absolutely yes to your comment
Right? I'm guessing it's just ''online friendship'' tbh, since normal people would actually tell their friend what they're doing wrong to help them become better and enjoy the game more because they're just doing better.
Rin is ignorant and so is Dice. He's better off without that toxicity group. I feel sorry for whatever healer has to deal with that stupidity.
Rin's group had drama for Abyssos as well. The first time is an anomaly, and the second is a pattern.
@@highwhen Except this isnt the second time, or the 3rd, 4th, or 5th. It seems like every tier, Rin finds himself in drama or someone has a clip of him being verbally abusive towards party members.
@@The1zalo well that’s even worst. I’ve only started to follow FFXIV world first stuff and streamers at Abyssos.
dice is well known in the parsing community on crystal. no one wants to coheal with dice. shit tier attitude, shit tier healing. the lead (peter) is big shrimpin for dice tho, I knew some other people in this group that got kicked because dice didn't want them for no reason. they also use forbidden "technology"
seeing something like this, as a longtime raider on crystal, doesn't suprise me at all. dice/peter and friends are 100% trouble and shit tier humans, at best. it's nice to see other people realize how much of a dickass dice is tho
The amount of gaslighting that Rin done is insane.
Rin was being so passive aggressive. Rin actually gaslighted the fuck out of wave to protect dice that was originally in the friend group. Even though Dice was the one who was creating the issues during the prog wasting all his mana. Rin probably made Wave feel like he was actually insane and genuinely not healing enough. Insane passive aggressive manipulation
passive aggressiveness is the modus operandi for people who are toxically positive as a default.
Worst type of people. Theres a bunch of these people in this game too. Watch out for them
@@polmao that the basic of the ffxiv community - Passive Aggressive and fake "kindness" because they are too afraid to be banned. You always have BS in the background outside of the game where they will gaslight, treat you like trash and then make it out you where the super toxic person. Had this once or twice with groups but then I find in other groups I am a super down to earth person so its like okay? Honestly I find FFXIV community worse than WoWs.
"We keep having this problem in P3, Dice is straining himself"
- that is technically true and that's because he's spending all his mana when he shouldn't.
but unless you sit down and explain this like Wave does in the beginning of the video they will never understand. They look at the logs, see that Dice is casting a fuck ton of GCDs when Wave isn't and conclude that Dice is doing the good thing because the party is alive, without realizing that the reason they're alive there is because there's no damage to heal from and he just wants to keep his healing uptime for higher funny numbers
@@KiraNightV If they can't read the logs beyond the most surface level then I wonder what they're doing in TOP in the first place. Whoever looks at casts without the context of what's happening in the fight at that point should probably not comment on anyones performance.
First time seeing the 16:10 gaslighting from Rin. Holy shit, actually feel bad for the astro having to deal with him and dice.
So sickening. Rin provoking a reaction then acting like the “calm” one to make the healer seem like their crazy/overreacting was revolting
Dice is well-known in Crystal for being a massive griefer and a really terrible person to boot. It's insane that they are protecting him over Wave, when you could ask anyone in the Crystal raiding scene and they would tell you that Dice is an instant kick/dodge.
Ye I remember dice and her bf always getting mad on PF wheneve we talk shit to dice cus dice can’t heal for shit
I swear, Rin becomes more unlikable by the day.
I couldn't believe how rin was talking to that astro
Yeah... seems like he's going downhill and fast. I actually liked watching his stream but idk about this
@@mancik17 As a healer who has been in the same situation as the AST, I feel absolutely DISGUSTED on how Rin spoke to him.
Hope the AST found a static that deserves him.
The ‘friendly, positive’ guys are always the most toxic, it’s like clockwork
He was never likeable
44:00 massive respect for wholesome Xeno. i'm sick of people giving the poor guy shit for being emotional
Yeah, especially coming from someone that has a very tough image like him, that's some role model shit
Well, they are Xeno's chat after all. Chat reflects the streamer. I bet many of them were surprised that Xeno wasn't being as toxic and douchey as they are, or at least approve of their toxicity.
The words "It's ok to cry" and calling out chat for clowning around someone for being upset. People need to hear it more even if its in a video game socially interacting with people opens you up to getting hurt by them too .This happens all the time in retail, customer service etc, yes you will learn to block it out and keep trucking but it still hurts and some people might be more prone to it than others. It happens in life too many damn times, the only thing different was that it was in an online game, which somehow in people mind takes the novelty out of the social experience.
Everyone has a bad day, and I respect a man that is willing to reign their audience in when they don't like what is being said.
sympathy evaporates when it comes to an emotional man.
sack up dont cry and just state the problem
@@stevebob2941
You do realize that there’s neurobiological evidence that emotional and physical pain register similarly in the brain?
So the next time someone kicks you in your tiny balls, hopefully someone will tell you the same thing about sucking it up 😁 If you’re so emotionally stunted that someone is expressing theirs earnestly threatens your fragile concept of masculinity, then it’s you that needs to suck it up and get yourself help.
You missed the part where the leader of the group is actually the guy who was caught zoom hacking with Rin the first week. Rin was grouping with him since the release, the leader just name changed and Rin thought everyone would fall for it (the leaders old name was Ai’magril and changed it to Aya Magril, he is also on the clown list). That guy gaslights even his own audience.
This makes me want to see the clown list just to make sure I'm not in there lol
So his DarkSydePhil of the FF14 community. Good to know.
Them telling him to “stop yelling” when the healer was talking calmly and explaining their point is INSANE. No one should have to deal with a party like this. Hope that healer was able to find a better party b/c Rin and this party are a bunch of chodes.
Rin was wrong, but he was raising his voice and getting emotinal...so in that moment he was right. Over all he was wrong and just protecting his friend
@aaron clay bro when u clear-as-day getting gaslighted and being told to calm down when you are clearly, it almost always gets that person angrier
@aaron clay Gotta learn how people react..,
Just say, let's all have a breather and take a break, and then converse later..,
if the Leader pulled that shit, anyone could of just stepped aside and said that wasn't their decision..,
in the end, if you have empathy/sympathy, you'd let people compose themselves. you don't go running after the person who ran.
@@aaronclay4665 TBH, after watching the video myself and watching arthar's reaction stream and this video, i cant tell that wave was raising his voice, but i do felt he is emotional there. Rin felt like that as long as whatever u say those things that is not what he want to hear, u r consider yelling and shouting to him
i had the same experience at work. I was explaining concerns and then they told me to calm down or stop yelling. my brain shutdown, fell silent for 3 minutes and tone deaf from emotion. Anyone would flipped at that situation.
This guy basically gaslighted by ppl that don't want to admit their circle played bad
Also when does rin karigani do something not controversial anyway, dude is literally a walking red flag
Im starting to kinda understand when someone does something sus so many times and it gets brushed aside because I kinda feel it with rin. He's repeatedly mentioned in drama and I'm like but it couldn't have been him 😭
I think I gotta throw in the towel on rin man.
Rins faux positivity gets on my nerves
@@SILVERONIN Ive never seen him before but that like really monotone talking while being an asshole and then when someone reacts being like "woah youre yelling" is so annoying I hate when people do that
@@FatManVSWild yeah it's insidious
guy is really slippery and manages to wriggle his way out of every kind of controversy somehow
It warms my heart to know that Rin still hasn't cleared TOP
Same 🎉🎉
and he never will with dice in the group 😉ezpz
Apparently Dice quit the game so maybe there's hope? Not that I'm cheering for them though 💀
LMFAO
Oh yeah what he said to Wave makes it clear, he is gonna take ages to clear it and ideally should never be allowed to clear it because he doesn't deserve it.
Good to see xeno at 44:00 being a reasonable person
Massive kudos to Xeno for that.
HUGE W for xemo
true, xeno a real one for this
And that's why Xeno's alter ego is soft dad.
I literally could not stand him in ARR. I'm so happy for how he's grown. Bless him!
Okay, I know it's a bit off topic but can we talk about chat ACTIVELY making fun of the guy for being upset? Thank god Xeno told em' to shut the fuck up at 44:00 because this kind of shitty behavior's shouldn't be a thing.
I mean, hell, Just the fact that you can be made fun of for being upset and showing emotions... Dude clearly has been bottling that shit up for a while and it's literally BEGGING to be released.
This, is exactly why so many people are actually terrified of showing emotions, because random-ass people like the ones in chat will judge them and even laugh at them, even though they NEVER met the person before and they don't even have the full context.
Personally, I can 100% relate to what the dude is going through, because the same shit happened to me in most MMO's I played, the breaking point was Guild Wars 2 when I was farming Fractals (Pretty much high level dungeons) with my old static, these people were OBSESSED with their stupid DPS meter and would actively be passive aggressive to those who did not reach a certain amount of DPS, even though some of the people were playing supportive roles.
And lemme tell you... it feels like SHIT to be yelled at and guilt tripped just because you're not living up to some arbitrary standards that some dipshit made up.
And eventually, after enough abuse... you're just gonna reach a breaking point, I know I reached mine a long time ago, and as a result I don't run high end raiding content anymore, and I suspect the dude might reach that same breaking point if he doesn't find a static with actually decent human beings in it
Edit: also, just for clarity's sake, know that the vast majority of groups you'll find in FF14 and GW2 are almost all super nice, those bad experiences are the exception, not the rule. Just wanted to throw that out there because I know my comment make it sounds like every single high end groups are that bad, but they aren't, especially not in GW2 and FF14
Based and human pilled
And some wonder why SE doesnt want dps meter ingame, this is why
Yeah, Xeno had a valid point when he said told them to imagine themselves in that situation. The fact that they were gaslighting this guy because they didn't want to admit that their friend is being a sh*t healer would upset anyone. They were pretty much uno reverse carding this guy while he was trying to logically explain his points.
Bunch of chronically online freaks. "Oh wow a human has emotions, being gaslit and putdown by people he raided weeks with, how pathetic." The internet was a mistake.
This dude is right to make a video defending himself. Rin being a fairly big streamer, lots of people probably saw that and thought "wow this guy is a bad healer, I dunno if I'd wanna raid with him" when he was 100% in the right, his cohealer was garbage, and Rin made ignorant, dumbass statements about it.
Honestly this dude sounds legit, I've been raiding slightly longer and still haven't done an Ultimate, clearing current savage tiers and DSR on Astro? Progging P5 in TOP? Man I wish I was that good, I'm happy just getting purple parses on tank, and am still trying to find a group to do literally any Ultimate with.
This response will get slept on but is completely true. Since rin is a streamer and a lot of good players view his stream, they would have a negative view of him as a healer and make it harder to find a new group. He did kinda have to come out and put himself out there just to defend his ability to play in good groups moving forward.
@@blairbryan4040 honestly we could push it further and just say outright defamation. idk about other people since I don't watch streams I just have it in the background for twitch drops, but unless someone is fully tuned in they're gonna miss context. not only that but twitch chat is so quick that the hive mind that their favorite streamer did something wrong would be making light of it without acknowledging accountability for it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone got turned off from FFXIV and ended a sub if treated like this REPEATEDLY. Hell for some people once might be it for them and I wouldn't judge them for it.
Every time Rin's name comes up, it's stupid drama, and to me, it's so funny that it's exactly the guy that tries to portray himself as the super positive, super inclusive, everything is peachy kinda guy. You know, it's like when you see those PFs that say "let's have fun! No salt!", but turn out to be the trappiest, most toxic parties you can join.
This reminds me of a funny story actually. I used to parse quite a bit in edens gate, and as such I would run into parties with rin. Whenever we ended up in the same party we would both join in GNB since it’s the class we both played the most. The way he would try to settle it after awhile is “best logs takes GNB”, I actually had better logs than him leading up to TEA and he would get upset and just leave the party since I wouldn’t flex for him every time.
It's always the same with people like that, they try really hard to hide how awful they are by being the loudest about how "great" they are.
Reminds me of fahros
Man Rin has ruined so many of my PF parties in the past. The last time I dealt with it was last expansion me & a friend were trying to parse E9 and we spent 3 hours with Rin & Momo grieving the shit out of us. I'm petty, I'll remember that shit lmao Both of them are now forever on my blocklist.
The whole time they were both blaming random people when over half the wipes were because of them. I have no idea how either of them got a following.
The irony right?? I noticed this shit too
Holy shit listening to rin during that argument was actually triggering me so hard
how fucking dumb can one person be?
Man i feel sorry wave. i imagine he is emotional because rins stream most likely attacked him as well.
Also i'm glad Xeno told his chat of for them making fun at him. the guy was in the right, and had streamers telling him "no, you're wrong :)"
Classic L Rin gaslighting in that toxic passive-aggressive way. Yeah boi.
You guys know what's funny about this? Rin stuck with the healer that is infamous for being a bad healer and is in an actual Crystal blacklist document than the healer that carried their ass despite said bad healer.
I know I have seen a Aether and Primal ones, but honestly not seen the Crystal one yet despite that being my DC. Got a link to it at all?
Also interested in the crystal dodge list
Yeah I would also like to see the blacklist doc if you have the link
Where can I even find the blacklist for all 3 data centers?
I saw Rin’s video on another channel….and man Rin IS crazy. Wave was trying to tell the guy nicely to stop wasting mana. And then he got ganged up with him and Dice. They were telling him HE was the problem. HE was aggressive. Christ.
I tanked for this group for a bit near release, that dice person is incredibly arrogant. The first day we were in everyone was shouting at each other cause dice was flipping their shit about something or other. And basically everything they say is in the tone or phrasing of "you're all idiots why do i even play with you, you're lucky to have me here". Anyway, they started acting like a child the second day too. So I dm'd the leader said this persons annoying af, I'm not wasting 14 hours a day on someone like this and left lol. Seen them posting for new members every week since I left. Clearly not a "blaze" problem.
I don't get why people insist on playing with people they don't like, just dip, who cares. You'll clear eventually, if you're not the problem in a group.
Wave: "I'm here to talk about the ableism I've experienced"
Chat: 'constantly complains about the gaps inbetween talking' "Omg get on with it" "bro takes a pause every 4 words" "Unscripted videos be like..."
Incredible, really.
People like that probably never even touch ultimates or even cleared any savage lmao
His chat is my experience playing ff14. That community is just a bunch of hypocrits.
@@ZelosSama I feel like no one talks in this game. Do all types of content and no one talks in parties or out in the world. Do you guys just get all your interactions from discord?
@@PeachyBeachBum people do talk . And it comrs from a lot of places you have the opportunity to share an opinion they don't agree with
Unless you are in a good fc that also criticise the game too.
Xeno was right to correct his chat multiple times. It's easy to laugh something off when you've put no effort into it yourself. It's very hard to stop yourself from being emotional when you put a lot of time and effort. You've committed yourself to something, did your absolute best, and it resulted in this. I'm happy to be a Xeno viewer after today, not many streamers are brave enough to correct their chat on something like this.
I've had wow guild drama the first few weeks after the first raid of BFA dropped that ended up losing me every contact I had in that guild.
I found out how fake everyone was but something nagged me like I was somehow wrong. If I appeased the people who treated me badly better, or something along those lines, maybe it wouldn't have gone that way.
But the truth was they were all liars and the moment they perceived any slight against of their in crowd from me they told me to get into a discord call and chewed me out. I didn't even know who the guy was, he wasn't even in the raids I ran into him in a guild dungeon run while he was talking a lot of shit about how he was a lawyer that worked for blizz and all I said to one person I thought actually liked me in the guild was that I thought he wasn't telling the truth. Bam, now I'm "antisocial" and a weirdo and they "trusted" me. And they were going to shun me but not kick me out of the guild because they wanted me to learn my lesson for not believing their fucking loser liar friend.
We weren't even trying mythic bosses. It was a very casual raiding guild and they took it that seriously. It was crybaby pathetic and everyone involved was WELL north of 25 years old. I put so much time and energy into grinding things and giving advice to other Demon Hunters who had better gear but wasn't pulling the same numbers (not that I was good, they weren't looking up how to play the class.) But I go from having what I thought was a guild of friends to nothing for making that "mistake".
I don't fault people for taking things seriously when they're doing something difficult.
Can't believe Rin was gaslighting this healer lol, none of em had the logs up but wanted to pretend it was "problem solving" mother of god this person has saved themselves further headache.
Wave communicating and reasoning while being gaslit by several people is some top tier mentality.
I'd honestly think twice, thrice, before joining Rin's group if I have to be honest
Honestly I wouldn't even think about it. I'd refuse right away
Rin: ur literally screaming rn
Me: HUH
My voice would literally go from calm to screaming at that point after an aggressive "WHAT!?"
You can't spell CRINGE without RIN.
bravo 👏👏.. you must be so proud of yourself.. look at you, nose puffing and everything 😂
@@Stevexupen
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
I'm not meme'ing you're entirely incoherent.
That Dice seems like a giant man baby, leaving the call and having someone else do the talking for him (or apparently gaslighting xdd) instead of talking it out with the co-healer
He is on the Crystal pf to dodge list. He is quite infamous in Crystsl for being a really bad healer and person to play with. Ignorant or bad players who listen are fine as they are willing to improve and learn, willfully ignorant people, nothing can help them.
I hear they're trans
Lol I hear that brother, I'd rather have a shit player that's willing to listen to advice, than a ignorant fuck who thinks they do everything right.....
@@steups2477 and that's a relevant information because...??
@@darkmirror21 explains the drama , the emotional unstability , the bitch behaviour , explains why rin is defending him , as the whole viewer base of rin is basically trans , so yeah it is relevant information
bruh what rin did there man thats the definition of attempting to gaslight someone. i get choosing your friend over a stranger but bro. aint no need to behave like that.
I feel so bad for Wave having to go through this. I already heard his video, but I didn't see his conversation with Rin and the rest of the party. I can't imagine being dogpiled on like that. It sounds like he's a bit of an anxious person, so I can imagine it was hard for him to collect his thoughts in the moment and respond appropriately. Not to mention they keep interrupting him.
Also the people in chat are dumb. Being publicly humiliated and talked down to, of course Wave is going to make a video in retaliation and explain what happened. People telling him to get over it and move on are stupid, the same could be said to Rin and the others who were against Wave. This is what happens when people care.
Being emotional is to be human. Or at least acknowledging that it can happen. And not criticizing people for when someone does when they try to explain the situation that they were in or happened to be.
Well said!
I don't have much exposure to Xeno's content, but this was a very interesting video. Even if people in the chat were say he was yelling, he had a very down to earth and reasonable talk about his thoughts. Also commenting that it was natural that Wave was upset was a pleasant surprise. Cool dude.
So many times I have seen someone with low parse get replaced by someone completely incapable of doing the mechanics, so I understand the frustration
I remember Rin back from when I raided heavy during HW/SB, and I remember thinking he was a really fake tool. People like that are what made me end up quitting the game. I can only speak to my own experience, but people like him are very common in the raiding community in NA.
That clip of rin and the static shitting on the astro is fucking blood boiling
Holy shit Rin's gaslighting is insane in that clip. What the actual fuck?
the people in chat and probably many others who will see this video making fun of this guy for sounding upset is most likely the very reason why he also mentioned ableism early on. not everyone can communicate perfectly and calmly. its okay to be upset, he's pretty valid here. and its okay to sound upset. its unfortunate that the more flustered you sound, the more incorrect you are in someones eyes and they can use it against you. and i think people get too caught up in the memes and reacts/emotes to actually step back, listen & critically think about whats being said
Yea he is getting emotional and it does sound like he is gonna cry, but I don't see a problem with that, he knew he was right but everyone was saying he was wrong( this is how crazy ppl feel) so I get it.
Dude just wants vindication that he is right and not crazy lol.
My default reaction to any strong feeling is to cry, so this rings true for me so much.
Happy? Cry
Sad? Cry
Angry? Cry
Scared? Cry
I also don't deal with confrontation well, because it just makes me (you guessed it) cry. It's why I will never raid.
I agree with Xeno that anyone shaming someone for getting upset when they've been through something as stressful as this is small dick energy.
@CommanderGuy could be true for some of them, but cant say for all. im not a frequent chatter, i tend to just lurk but i was just going off of how xeno commented on the emote spam. seems like he got the same impression
@@captainsavvy07 I'm the same way, though as a dude I wish I had better control of that
jesus christ this poor guy literally got gaslit, that "you are LITERALLY yeling" part drove me insane
who even watch rin lmao, dude got personality of a blank paper not as entertaining as our cute strummer
Was he the one who farmed fake views with embedding?
@@obamaorb7426 yes
@@Cfishies
L behaviour
He creeps me out
I used to when I was new to the game but quickly stopped because dude is an ass
Coming from someone who quit raiding as a new raider in shadowbringers because of the same situation but in reverse; (I was overhealing and instead of telling me how to mitigate they just kicked me without a word) this resonates a lot with me. Wave didn’t deserve to go through that, and getting gaslit like that is just awful. In my case, I later found out from the Samurai in our group that the reason I was kicked was because the raid leader’s friend (who was also a white mage like me) got out of the hospital and was ready to raid with them again. They never told me I was a temp. It was an awful situation and the fact I got treated so horribly; I was told I was not a good player when in fact it was because they needed an excuse to have their friend in the group… It’s disheartening. My heart goes out to Wave and I hope he finds a better group in the future.
you know at first I wondered if the sage was just fishing for crit shields by spamming it in downtime but the real reason behind it was even sadder than I imagined
Crit e.diag isn't very big. You're much better off fishing for a crit z.diag but you only have 1 chance for that unlike fishing for a critlo for deploy
Even if they were, at that low mana, no way would that be worth it 😂
I sometimes try to do that for single target not group but id never done in ultimas. Mana is just to precious
Can't wait for his react for the static lead's vid
As far as I am aware he dirty deleted it
@@Lunoatic Ah shit, really? Hopefully he'll react on the vid on Arthar's stream or at least hopefully someone downloaded the vid
@@Magflyer It got ALOT of backlash, very much deserved so.
@@Magflyer Xeno said on Arthar's stream that he immediately downloaded it for react content, thinking it would get deleted xdd
@@KidofKhaos Oh sweet! Glad he did, can't wait for react by then.
I always found Rin weird especially when he did the memorial for Asmons mum in FF14 and fake cried alot
Cant spell cringe without rin
What the fuck
i was raidlead for 7 years in wow and watching the vid triggered me. if you want to raid with your friends its fine but you have to make sure that the rest of the static knows this.
but i think if you want to raid the hardest content then theres no place for favouritism. i never took couples because of this.
i feel bad for the dude. what a horrible first hardcore raid experience
being right, but being told to calm down makes my ass itch
As someone who feels pretty intensely (I also cry when I get angry) I cannot stand this either. Being frustrated and someone telling me to stop feeling frustrated without understanding why I'm frustrated is ughhh
Or just trying to gaslight me like these guys were, thank god that wasn't me I would have been crying in that conversation and probably made myself look worse 😭
I just want to give Wave a big hug, he didn't deserve any of that. As a WHM main I understand the effort you have to put into a group with GCD heals, dps and communication with your Co healer. It's not always a fun time. I wish the best for Wave that he can find a group he is happy in. It's just a game but for raiding it's still a commitment with other people. Drama happens and I respect him venting all of this.
The funny shit was, Rin would have off the steaming and talked it personally with wave nicely, but he still ran the steam, which also means part of Rin's mind was to purposely shame wave in open public. He has no right to do so, as it is within the group. So Rin brought it to the public first ( with intention ) not to mention that guy who used hack while Rin still include him in the teams. What friend's script he testing, was a paid version as one of our ex-member had shown us way long before.
Aya Magril aka Ai’magril? LOL oh wow. Someone who tried to do his best like wave got kicked while someone who use hack + pack of lies stays? Hmmm what a LEADER and a group of shameless ... what hacked top clearer? Just blood boiled when i see such Steamer being a leader with hacker trying to go for top?
I think this is the most wholesome vid I’ve ever seen from Xenos. So much good advice.
Yo thank you Xeno for calling people out for making fun of the guy for being upset. Like its totally okay to feel that way after putting in all that time and effort to be gaslit and booted because the cohealer sucked. The fact that people made fun of him for it shows how shitty their emotional intelligence is.
they were totally dickriding Rin and Dice. They clearly suffer from brain damage
The buttons are there because he uses them to track his CDs. I do the same. The reason the things are there in the middle of the screen is because there's a lot less distance for our eyes to move in order to look at them while having to focus at the middle of the screen looking out for mechanics and what not. Them being close to the middle also allows their slight flashing when they come off CD to catch our eyes. It's a UI thing.
FF14 not being big on using mods wouldn't be in on the meta in this regard I feel
It's something wow players have been doing for what feels like a decade. Your eyes are going to be where your characters feet are sometimes to try and avoid being caught in AoE's/mechanics and having your important information hiding in the very corner of the screen will take your eyes off all of that and even the character details that appear during procs.
The fact that they're trying to gaslight Wave... I would have left even if I wasn't kicked out....
Some people are extremely susceptible to gas lighting, I am one of those people. Even when I recognize it, it still haunts me for upwards of a couple of years later depending on how bad it was. Having an experience like this would haunt me into all my raids for the next year at least. That is exactly what people like Dice would want, they exist to make other people feel worthless, plain and simple.
Just had a very similar situation to this happen to me, and I was immediately reminded of this. I joined a TOP progg and clear group, starting at P1. I'm running AST. We had members not able to come for multiple sessions, so we were constantly running subs. We had a continual problem with the sub co-healer not knowing how to heal Program Loop properly. For those that understand how the debuffs work for that mechanic, or those that have healed that ULT, obviously you understand that you aren't supposed to dump heals on random players with damage, but that there are very specific people you're supposed to heal at very specific times. This is very easy to do, actually, but you have to understand the technicality of what's happening in order to do it right. Instead, we had substitute healers coming in and feeling they had to kitchen sink throughout loop, and weren't helping to heal 3's and 4's when they were going to take their towers. I brought this up to the raid leader multiple times, to the point that he said "we get it, you've explained this 80 times", and left the problem unaddressed. He then comes to me saying "I've looked at the logs, and these healers are putting out way more healing than you are. I hope that's eye opening", basically ignoring everything I said. I told him for the 100th time that you can't just sit there dropping heals on random people, and that we needed to focus on SPECIFIC people. Just felt completely gaslit. That same day, the static leader said we were going on a hiatus due to people not being able to show up consistently, and i just took that opportunity to walk away. Absolutely disappointing when i spent a very long time making sure I was prepared to do my job correctly.
Idk how Rin said all those things without log+vod review both healers. Calling it elitism is not wrong but favoritism started all this, they pick a side and then start scrutinizing and nitpicking why you're not good enough for the group.
*It is ok to cry*, I'm so glad you said that. It is 100% ok to be upset and have and show emotions and the sooner men realise this the sooner the suicide rates will drop and not be the number one killer of young men. I hate hearing how down this poor guy sounds in the game I love, and the raid scene is a different level of toxicity at times and I hope he finds a great group and continues to raid and enjoy the game.
Crying doesn’t help, if you didn’t know
@@max7971 Ofc it does, it relieves built up stress :)
It's almost at the same level as I got kicked from the new alli raid because I didn't communicate with the other NIN my mug, how parse obsessed can you be? Yes.
thats actually super toxic like, its only and alliance raid q-q
In an alliance raid? You kidding right? Lmao 😂 casuals be the most toxic people I swear
No way, I don't believe anyone running Alliance Raids would give that much of a fuck to the extent of kicking somebody for an ill-timed buff. Unless maybe it was a specialized premade group in PF with a particular goal in mind, even then still weird.
The worst part is their mug wouldn’t even matter because alliance raids consider adps over rdps
This sounds fake >_> Either made up or you got kicked for something else, i'm calling bull.
rin's name kept coming up in arthar's streams and in general so i checked out his twitch, but immediately got ick vibes. this whole thing just confirms it. thank you xeems/xeems editor for including that static chat clip, even tho it was gross, cuz a lot of stuff's been going around and to hear the gaslighting, manipulation, and inconsideration for ourselves is important. wave's got a lot of positive support behind him so he'll find a great group soon!
lmao @ xeems chat treating this guy like shit and making fun of him then doing a 180 halfway into the video
Idk I think xeem's chat usually just xffing all day, so 50:23 for those drama andies
mostly because chat is a bunch of zero social skill man childs with no concept of empathy
Almost 100% of the time
Thank you so much for standing up for him the way you did. I’ve felt this before. You’re amazing for watching his video and making valid and motivational commentary and also highlighting that emotions are okay. ❤ Man Mode baby
That clip was so infuriating to listen to, I can't believe there are people out there that stand by Rin. Villain behaviour. I even saw a clip going around of Rin laying into a guy and was warning him not to be aggressive or yell and called him a cock sucker in the same sentence. It was insane to listen to. This dude don't know what yelling or aggressive behaviour is because the guy he was attacking was talking normally lol. Absolutely baffling behaviour.
I honestly think that Rin didn't even look at the logs and just took the word of his friend over the new healer. When doing content like this you can really only focus on what you are doing and trust that your group knows what they are supposed to do. If you stop to police what everyone is doing then you die to stupid mistakes because you are not focused. I personally think the AST is right because their co-healer had a complex and it sabotaged their gameplay. This absolutely is a thing that happens with healers and this is why finding a co healer you can vibe with is so important because their overheal can fuck your logs. This Sage was being selfish and when called out about it got defensive. The sage has the raid leads ear and they are friends so they are gonna get treated differently, this isn't an elitist thing its about professionalism. Its rare to find people who can do high level content and also be your friend. Casual players don't understand the mental strain raiders go thru when completing ultimate and I don't think Rin is proud about the way he spoke to Wave but at the end of the day he still has to deal with Dice and make prog. He picked his side and now has to deal with it.
wrong, if you DON'T stop to police what everyone is doing, that's when you end up at 1000+pulls and no kill because people don't know what to fix
@@vicc6790 if you are a HC raider the level of personal responsibility is much higher. There is no dorito personnel and you have maybe 8 ways to do one mechanic for your role specifically and you have to learn all of them. If you have already cleared and have enough RAM in your brain to memorize everyone's role, buffs, and see what mechanic they have, all at the same time while focusing on what you have to do, by all means go ahead an police your team. The rest of us humans don't have time for that, especially during prog. Golden rule = Cover your own ass.
why are you in a raid group where you feel you need to "police" people, shouldnt you have trust and faith in the other 7 people to be just as competent as you are and working towards the same goal? Sure some people will struggle with different aspects in different ways, and different speeds but lord you make video games sound like a job and you've apointed yourself "Manager" to feel something.
If we had logs in game people would be yelling at squeenix for making a toxic game. Instead they have stopped inviting rin, and rin is a cloud of negativity and drama all on his own.
Very much enjoyed the video. Loved the ending. People acting like Wave being upset is funny or an overreaction just don’t get it.
I'm glad Xeno called out chat for ripping into Wave because he was being emotional.
@@vielara same!
I guarantee you at least more than half of the people making fun of wave have never even done a savage, and are making fun of him just to "fit in".
I loved the comments yesterday when you weren't streaming, I was in Arthars stream and holy, this was really a good talk.
any cliff notes?
Wow, they were gas-lighting the shit out of Wave. He must have felt like he was going crazy.
Dice lied his ass off and Rin bent the narrative to support him. The fact that Dice tried to say what he did was necessary and everyone believed him shows that the whole static was rotten through and through. I agree with Xeno. Wave dodged a bullet by getting kicked now. Better to rip the bandage of now than get further invested in raiding with these people.
I'm not normally one to comment on RUclips videos but I just wanted to say kudos to you for shutting down people in your chat that were making fun of the guy when he was near tears. You're absolutely right that sometimes people don't understand how much of themselves people put into ultimates.
Your thoughts on this were very grounded though. Great react video.
I already kind of put the savage clears and extremes on a pedestal of "these people play this on another level from myself" so I understand the trepidation when it comes to questioning who's in the right. But there also comes a time when you need to look around and realize that you're not the issue. And if the team doesn't see that, you really need a new team. You're not doing yourself any favors bending over backwards to help those who don't want to be helped. Self-respect is just as important as respecting your team. Actually, it's probably more important. Because self-respect can allow you to see this mess for what it is and walk away. Kudos on having the courage to ask other healers for a second and third opinion.
For the last part about yelling. We don't know who is telling the truth but Rin told the guy to stop yelling when he was clearly just stressed and said dice wasn't the angry one. Then said of course dice is angry and is going to curse cause he's upset. BS meter broke for me right there.
So this is where all the eels went
lmfao, ty bro i needed that.
Healers deserve more love, if things go wrong they get flamed in all content basically, Casual and hardcore. Even when they are not at fault. Totally understandable why no one wants to heal in that game…..
Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's a wonder when I see most healers they won't res or even heal. They rather dps. Seen this multiple times and one of them being ramuh's raid on hard mode where me and 3 dps's went down. The healer didn't get me up despite me being the one that kept the party alive.
Rin is on an impressive L streak
Bruh, I've been in this guy's shoes. I feel for him. Hopefully, as Xeno said, it won't sour it for him like my experience did for me.
Guy joins our group as a drg right before the Alexander Savages came out in HW. Convinced everyone else to let him take my OT position; I got shifted into being our melee DPS, despite the fact that I said several times, "I'm bad at melee DPS." Still, a couple of friends were in the group, so I spent literal hours on a training dummy trying to improve myself so that I would at least not drag everyone down.
Spent every raid night for the next two weeks having him lecturing/insulting me about my DPS and mech mistakes (I did mess up a bit, not being used to melee DPS) between pulls. Was told outside of those raid nights by others that my DPS was good enough, even if it wasn't the best so they didn't know what he was complaining about. My friends in the raid even told me that some of the mech mistakes he'd been complaining about weren't even my fault.
Finally, one raid night, our whm made a mech mistake that wiped the group. The tank immediately blamed me and began yelling and cussing. The others finally calmed him down, but it was the last straw for me. I left the instance, left the party, and messaged the leader. "I can't do this anymore, I'm literally in tears right now and that's not right. So, just so you know, I'm officially leaving the static as of this second."
I've not actively raided on my own since. I offered to sub for friends' raid groups from Stormblood onward, but that's been it for me. I already have a strong case of anxiety and my experience just increased that further, sadly.
I still remember the very first drama I've heard that he was in, it was many years ago and I feel people didn't really take it seriously. I mean I thought he might've changed (but I also didn't know him to judge - although I always just felt really iffy about him even though I don't even watch him... but when I do end up on his stream, he just felt a bit off...) so I was also one of the few who didn't really take it 'too seriously'??? Even so, I always had it at the back of my mind though. It was the saltedxiv drama where the owner was gaslighted by Rin. As someone else mentioned here, once happening is an anomaly, two is a pattern... But in his case, there's 3, 4 or probably 5 times now... So... I don't know, man...
SaltedXIV isn't exactly the best example. I've tried to read their guides and they are mixed with passive aggressive rants at the Balance and complaints about new players. Their guides were written by or for Cluster B personalities and are a shit show themselves. So I'd call them equal quite honestly.
i think the healer is very emotional cause he was really happy raiding with "top" HC people like Rin and then he got really desilusionated when they gaslighted him and thats why you can feel he almost wanna cry when talking, and thats why he does pauses , besides that he need to do more PF , PF teach you that if your co healer suck you just say U SUCK and then leave the party no matter what , i had a lot of really good teams that 1 person single handed ruined it , happens but its not you who have to fix it.
wave pfs a ton, i saw him a lot in aether pf during early top prog. they don't need to pf more
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@@kat-po8vx if they PF enough then they should know already how the game works, if the team dont work dont try to make it work cause nothing will change
I feel his pain. My first raid group I had to go to sub cause of school. They asked me to help them with a fight. I agreed, we cleared, I won a ring. After the fight I was told that all sun are required to pass gear to main raiders and that’s how most groups do it. In actuality the other caster that replaced me when I went sub threw a fit cause he did win gear and since they were all friends I got the shaft. My second raid group I was suppose to be a co founder. We were suppose to be a very casual group. The second we got to refulgance rhey started kicking players with low parses. I started getting scared cause I’m not a high parser. I started asking for help and what not but my friend of over 10 years was too focused on keeping the co healer on par and then they just kicked me cause I was only doing 7500 dps without my weapon and chest on refulgance. The worst part is they totally lied about kicking me and they swore to me that i was doing totally okay cause I was asking for help and what I can do to improve for two weeks before they kicked me. I know how this guy is feeling. Making you feel dumb so they can get away with doing shady shit only to find you have been lied to. I think the raid community needs to chill out.
Imagine being in a group like this and not spreadsheeting so this isn't an issue.....wtf
Can't spreasheet heals when the other healer won't even talk to you.
@@waffles89fc yeah no kidding. There is literally no excuse for an experienced healer like the sage to not take the initiative to make a spreadsheet. Or rin, or any other member of that group to be quite frank
I just want to say that I am happy that you defended Wave for expressing his emotions & telling chat to fuck off, honestly. Meme or not, some people really do behave as if it's a sin to feel something or illustrate your emotions in such a way as if you aren't human or something or go through shit. You truly never know the other things a person may be enduring on their daily basis that contributes to the crap they also gotta deal with online.
"You should be thankful they're playing the way they are" Man that killed me.
This happen once (well thrice maybe) in my Asphodelos and TEA static. We let our shield healer do it with his way we can't even pass first raid wide in P3S for like 1 lockout (he didn't like to hear our input). My P1S and P2S first static clear also cleared when I replace him as shield healer. I forced myself to be a healer (even tank) for my static sake, where I was DPS since the start playing the game. Since then, I will never let people play the way they played if our group at some point stuck at the same mechanics. Communication is key, but if they never listen just leave them.
"You should be grateful" thats elitism entitlement
i don't think he meant learning the game but more learning the fight
I agree with Xeno's take on parses, it also could be the person was late to a raid tier. Like me I was late this raid tier getting green parses at ilvl 610-615 when other people at 630 ilvl farm parses all day. Its just kind of inaccurate of a persons skill
fr my parses from progging the fight went from blue/green to purple after I got my weapon and I still need chest.. It feels bad how much gear affects your parse sometimes
@@Eric-ih5mb Yeah I'm just saying it feels bad when it happens. I only do pf and then got busy with school but I cleared p5/p6 week 1 and got purples early on and then didn't managed to get p7/p8 before my break. Then when I came back I got greens and I'm like oh I guess I suck but it's just not %100 accurate on either times.
Im so glad i clicked on a xeno stream in heavensward.
Rin claiming he isn't the leader and that he vouched for wave is just him trying to flee from blame. Like the VoD is just too incriminating, the only thing he could do about it was owning up to it, apologizing and moving on. Like this guy is talking in such an assertive way to wave as if he dominates the show and now is trying to free from the circus he got himself in. :diesfromcringe:
even on the absolute worst night of prog my statics have ever had, i've never seen anyone come even close to the level of insanity that i just witnessed in that rin clip. It's honestly bewildering to me how people with this type of mentality and gameplay approach can make it this far
and if it wasn't clear that is not directed toward the astro
That twitch vod of Rin at 16:07 completely disproved his own comments lmao. He was totally part of the gaslight squad.
Anybody who tries to apolgize with a "I'm sorry you feel that way" deserves to be treated worse than MCH is treated by the devs...
I don't know. At least MCH get SOME positive treatment last patch. People like that don't deserve any.
Pretty sure that other healer is using a "tool" thats not the cousin or tree or melon. Probably the dirty uncle.
I got alot of respect for you after 44:00
This is the stuff as to why I stopped raiding in FFXIV. It feels like general group/members cannot take constructive criticism, raid lead safeguards friends who actively holds the group back, and punishes people for doing their job properly as it goes on. Its so damn stressful and makes progging such a slog where it begins to consume my life and time with other games. Its frustrating.
I feel for this guy.
Rin should of honestly cut stream for that convo and taken more time to review. Let him show the Clip. Rin mentioned p3 when the issues was p5.
Hes probably like me where he cant react well on the spot in a convo and rather plan the discussion like with this video as there are people who will speak around him making him into the enemy.
The whole its ether me or him is bull. Should of had them discuss it more but its clear Dice didnt want to admit fault
Xeno's 1st take is the right one. It's not elitism, it's favoritism.
They didn't like the guy, that's obvious from the clips from Rin's stream. We can go on and on about gaslighting but gaslighting is about manipulating someone into continuing with the status quo and this group clearly didn't intend to keep this guy around. They "gaslight" him by trying to twist performance metrics to fit the rational instead of just saying they don't like him.
As bad as this person felt about being criticized over performance even though it was unjustified, imagine how they'd feel about being criticized about their personality.
Ahhh more ff14 drama, ofc . I love to see more of this actually comes to light and shut all those who are still trying to deny it actually exists and way bigger than most realise .
I heal rarely, but I can tell you this-even without me doing savage or ultimates, burning resources for no justifiable reason is a logical fallacy.
And the difference between Elitism and Favoritism is Intelligence... Or lack thereof.
fr ive never touched ultimates because i avoid environments like the one shown in this poor guy's static like the plague, but even as measly little savage healer, I know that what dice did is completely unreasonable lol. if i was spamming gcds and swallowing my mana in gulps like that guy did during downtime, even my own savage static would have given me weird looks. smh
this just goes to show that even the best players can be as biased and stupid as the worst ones.
I think whats so sad is that everyone in that toxic group got their clear and wave didnt get his... he totally deserves to earn a clear for dealing with that :/
For Xenos' sake it's worth mentioning that Dice is a notoriously tryhard player, they have a TEA healer log of gold damage and grey 0 percentile healing. Actually just a complete handicap on the other healer.
I checked Rin's stream after this video and Dice doesn't do this anymore. Crazy how it takes drama to make someone see reason.
Yeah for now. Then it wears off forgotten then revert back to old habits
youd think that after the embedding shit Rin would stay low for a while but guess not
Rin is the beta version of andrew tate. Got the feeling like wave dodged a bullet not having to raid with those 2 anymore
what color is your chocobo?