I tried CURRY PASTE on Brisket and the results BLEW my MIND

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  • @Aligator333
    @Aligator333 3 года назад +80

    Try a Jamaican jerk brisket with a marinade from : allspice, onion, scotch bonnet, thyme , salt, pepper, orange juice , garlic , lime and rum.
    Mix it with a blender and marinade the brisket overnight. Serve it with rice and peas

    • @0713mas
      @0713mas 3 года назад +1

      I had the exact same idea!
      I'd just go with commercial wet seasoning, like walker's wood or grace's, definitely needs chopped onion and a little pineapple or orange juice.

    • @michaelschnitzer4054
      @michaelschnitzer4054 3 года назад +1

      This sounds really good. I’ve had legit Jamaican jerk chicken and boy it would really work on a brisket. I need to start working on a jerk recipe. Thanks for the ingredients list.

    • @0713mas
      @0713mas 3 года назад

      @@michaelschnitzer4054This is a legitimate recipe given to me by a friend who's family is from Kingston. Its about the same the difference between making taco seasoning from chili, cumin powder etcetera or buying taco seasoning. For about 1-2 lbs of chicken use 1/2 to 1 full bottle of walker's wood brand or grace's commercial jerk seasoning , 1 large chopped onion, and 2 cups of water or juice, combined and marinate for about a day.

    • @gadzks
      @gadzks 3 года назад

      Jerk for sure, and do beef and pork at same time. Why, because...:-)

  • @tomdeleon6538
    @tomdeleon6538 3 года назад +161

    I would like to try Korean style brisket... Korean red chili paste, soy, hoisin sauce, oyster sauce, sriracha, garlic and sesame oil. marinated overnight.

    • @danloomis677
      @danloomis677 3 года назад +3

      I’m with Tom, this sounds like a good one to try.

    • @vinhartong666
      @vinhartong666 3 года назад +3

      I've done something similar. I marinated Shortribs with my mother-in-law's Korean Galbi marinade and smoked them. They came out very salty from the Soy. Will keep trying it, but I would recommend staying light on the soy. Maybe brisket will be better since the cut of meat is so much bigger and won't be as easy to "over-marinate".

    • @CookingwithYarda
      @CookingwithYarda 3 года назад +1

      Good idea !! ;-)

    • @peterlangkamp4488
      @peterlangkamp4488 3 года назад

      I vote Korean!

    • @SmileyFBA
      @SmileyFBA 3 года назад +4

      Gojuchang brisket! :-P

  • @b3g699
    @b3g699 3 года назад +17

    X after seeing how you used the organic ingredients in your curry paste rub, I would love to see you make a chimichurri style brisket. Also, as someone who travels to Asia a lot, I would love to see your take on an Asian, Chengdu spice inspired brisket. You talked about a Nashville Hot version but Chengdu is known for spicy beef and it would be great to see how you put that together. Either way keep up the great work! Love getting the notification when you have a new video.

    • @PITMASTERX
      @PITMASTERX  3 года назад

      👌 thansk

    • @dars0n
      @dars0n 2 года назад

      @@PITMASTERX could you please show me the link to this recipe? I couldn't find it on your website. thank you!

  • @sedatedsith
    @sedatedsith 3 года назад +14

    It's nice to see someone making a brisket with more seasoning than just salt and pepper.

  • @jeffren725
    @jeffren725 3 года назад +17

    My best friend growing up is Thai, his mom made the best beef jerky and it had fish sauce in it. You couldn't taste that part but it left a savoryness that you can't explain. I wonder if brisket would be the same???

  • @absoz
    @absoz 3 года назад +2

    Lads, I think you just made heaven, you had me when you said curry in the title, and the making of the paste might just need a little more spice, for me… but Morrison’s face when he first tries it… that shows How Good is THAT

  • @Metal_Auditor
    @Metal_Auditor 3 года назад +23

    Roel, have you seen Jeremy Yoder's recommendation that you rest brisket for at least eight hours and also that you let it cool at room temp for a bit before sticking in the cooler? I've done it on my last two briskets and got great results.

    • @danieldotter6077
      @danieldotter6077 3 года назад +2

      My best briskets have all been 6-10 hour rests. I use a Yeti 35 that I preheat with near boiling water and then pack the rest of the empty space with towels fresh out of the dryer. I’ve kept briskets in safe temp ranges for over 12 hours this way.

    • @laurengriffin2225
      @laurengriffin2225 3 года назад

      I rest my Brisket in the cooler overnight. Warm it a little the next day,...perfection.

    • @RussianNightmare
      @RussianNightmare 3 года назад

      He says "if you can" but that long of a rest is not needed.

    • @jasonkable1462
      @jasonkable1462 3 года назад +1

      Agree a long rest is needed. There's been tests on long to short rests. My opinion is a rest is only needed until the brisket drops to 150 degrees Fahrenheit which is several hours in a cooler after peaking around 203.

  • @CookingwithYarda
    @CookingwithYarda 3 года назад +8

    I love brisket !! Thanks for the cooking inspiration, I should try to make this ! Will be a nice addition to my other recipes ;-)

  • @ruukusanla
    @ruukusanla 3 года назад +1

    Chipotle in Adobo blended in a mixer turned into paste add some oil and it will keep for ages in the fridge. The best wet rub. Some salt that's it. No faffing and on chicken, ribs you name it it's incredible

  • @maesdejardin8648
    @maesdejardin8648 3 года назад +6

    You know what's funny?
    I've been selling a curried brisket out of my pit for almost 3 years now. Been one of my best sellers

  • @disappointingdbdclips
    @disappointingdbdclips 3 года назад +4

    Definitely going to try this. Happy to report that I tried your curry ribs recipe with a picnic roast and it was amazing!

  • @Sharky762
    @Sharky762 3 года назад +15

    How about a Rendang inspired brisket?
    I'd love to see a brisket rubbed in a rendang boemboe like this fantastic curry style brisket. You already made rendang with one of the best cooks out there, Huub, last year.

    • @TheExplorder
      @TheExplorder 3 года назад +1

      I'm going to borrow this idea, and cook that tomorrow. Going to the butcher to get myself a piece of brisket right away for marination.

    • @Sharky762
      @Sharky762 3 года назад

      @@TheExplorder cool. Let us know how it worked out

    • @TheExplorder
      @TheExplorder 3 года назад +3

      @@Sharky762 Soo, I bought this ready to go Rendang boemboe. I tried making one myself at first, but because of the amount of coconut milk, it became quite fluid. So I went to the local Toko, bought there ready to use Rendang. These were sold in packages for 500 grams of meat. I bought a piece of brisquet, 1500 grams of it. I used two packages of the boemboe as a marinade. I rubbed it on, all over the piece of meat, and secured it in a xxl zip lock bag. That now lays to marinade overnight. Tomorrow, I'm going to smoke it over charcoal in a offset smoker, with oak and beach wood chips. I'm going to try to maintain a temperature of 110C, until butcherspaper comes into play. If you want, I can share pictures of the result, or make an actual video and share it on RUclips.

  • @bbqsmokesousvide9552
    @bbqsmokesousvide9552 3 года назад

    my go to is the traeger coffee rub brisket. that's it, no mustard, no salt and pepper. that rub is full of flavor and goes so well with smoked beef!! looks good guys!!!

  • @christopherewing1698
    @christopherewing1698 3 года назад +7

    A Nashville hot brisket sounds fire 🔥

  • @scienceguy8888
    @scienceguy8888 3 года назад +10

    Well if you made a curry brisket, why not a Mole brisket?

  • @aaronavery887
    @aaronavery887 3 года назад +3

    Mix Za’atar and Amba, marinate brisket in said mixture over night. You got yourself a very Israeli brisket.

  • @Usksider
    @Usksider 3 года назад

    I was excited by this idea so decided to give it a go. Made up an adaptation of your curry paste, used a mixture of our home grown chillies and whole lot of ginger... we like it hot! :D Marinaded the brisket for around 30 hours then cooked it low and slow on a cheap Aldi kamado grill. It was fabulous! So much flavour and so wonderfully tender. Thanks so much for the idea.
    Reading some of the other comments here has given me a few more ideas too so thanks to all those who've posted recipe variations.

  • @troopertheboxer8342
    @troopertheboxer8342 3 года назад

    Great to see you use the Masterbuilt we have one and it’s awesome

  • @aussiedudley
    @aussiedudley 3 года назад +5

    Vietnamese Peanut Satay Brisket... Winner!!!

  • @mikenorton62
    @mikenorton62 3 года назад

    I quit watching brisket videos a long time ago, they're all the same. You got me on this one though..... Nice, new idea! I'll definitely be trying it

  • @stephaniemoore8886
    @stephaniemoore8886 3 года назад +2

    Man, I wish I had a smoker and I so bad wish I had all the knowledge on how to smoke an awesome brisket. I absolutely love it. So many ppl have their own ways, own techniques and from what I've seen, they all turn out beautifully. I WANT A BITE💜🤤

  • @aurieljosevelazquez
    @aurieljosevelazquez 3 года назад

    Thank you guys,another way to make a brisket,I will make it here in Puerto Rico 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @shirvinzeinalzadeh6999
    @shirvinzeinalzadeh6999 3 года назад

    Two ideas come to mind Roel. First, a horseradish sauce marinated brisket, and second, a tangy red pesto marinated brisket... Cool them up bro!

  • @madebytam
    @madebytam 3 года назад +1

    PLEASE MAKE: Malaysian Beef Rendang smoked brisket or Vietnamese Lemongrass smoked brisket next!

  • @WorldWideWillem-360
    @WorldWideWillem-360 3 года назад

    Loved your curry brisket recipe. We have (in Canada) in the supermarket super-duper pots of Thai green/yellow/red curry paste. Nothing wrong with your home-made one, but it is our easy way-out for quick curry dishes (pork tenderloin, beef, shrimp, vegetarian, all good). Just add coconut milk and you're done.

  • @moninchow
    @moninchow 3 года назад +6

    I bet a teriyaki brisket would be good. Soy sauce, pineapple, papaya, onions, green peppers, worcestershire sauce.

    • @Skraavor
      @Skraavor 3 года назад

      teriyaki thats a thing XD

  • @veridico84
    @veridico84 3 года назад

    My brisket dry brine is espresso salt, with cayenne, thyme, onion salt, and anchovies

  • @kingdarkem
    @kingdarkem 3 года назад

    I have wanted to experiment.... Fermented garlic honey and orange pippin peppers with a splash of pineapple juice....the orange pippins bring the fruity flavors of a habanero without the heat and were a huge crop of black farmers in philidelphia and are an heirloom variety.
    The other variety I wanna experiment with is using a Punjabi mango pickle. It is mangos pickled in mustard oil with fennugreek, fennel seeds, mustard seeds, nigella seeds, turmeric and red chilis....i might add garlic cause I love garlic.
    The other is a West african peanut sauce. Using natural peanut butter, tomatoe paste, beef bone broth, cayenne pepper and oil. They use red palm oil which is rare to find here so I could probably use peanut oil or perhaps a neutral flavored oil or mustard oil.
    I have also thought of a sauce using lemongrass, fish sauce, sugar, rice vinegar, lime juice, lime leaf, scallion, chilis, coriander leaves, and bone broth.
    Just a few that come to mind. Never had the money for wagyu brisket...and brisket is getting so expensive here it's hard to justify trying something new with it.

  • @jaysisto846
    @jaysisto846 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video, as always.
    I’m in Texas so salt and pepper will always be my go to for brisket, but..
    I love Korean style teriyaki beef ribs. The spices, sauces, and the beef blend perfectly. So my recommendation would be (and this might get me kicked out of Texas) a Korean Style teriyaki brisket.
    The sugars may be a problem with a long smoke time but I think you guys are up to the challenge…. Or are you? 🤔

  • @0713mas
    @0713mas 3 года назад

    Curry was a cool idea...Do a Jamaican jerk brisket! Use 4-6 jars of walkers wood (wet) mild jerk seasoning, 4 large onions chopped, marinate overnight in a garbage bag with a 16 oz of pineapple juice and smoke like normal add a little dried allspice berries to the coals. It will change the whole game!

  • @charlesallison4937
    @charlesallison4937 3 года назад +1

    Love the idea !!! Great vid as always !!!

  • @tonyschumann-6pfi-c277
    @tonyschumann-6pfi-c277 3 года назад

    Try using worcestershire as a binder. I have used it several times and it adds a unique flavor to the meat. Then you just use whatever seasoning that you like.

  • @Jason_Moorhees
    @Jason_Moorhees 3 года назад

    Someone already suggested Caribbean Jerk Brisket. But I’d like to offer a slightly different marinade. Fresh jalapeños, a bunch of green onions, fresh garlic cloves, fresh grated ginger, orange juice, lime juice, molasses, brown sugar, soy sauce, cayenne pepper, salt, all spice, ground cinnamon and ground cloves. Blend in a food processor and marinate overnight.

  • @chris_1690
    @chris_1690 3 года назад

    Korean one, good idea! Normal one, not just salt and pepper but salt, pepper and coriander seeds

  • @MrEsandSecrets
    @MrEsandSecrets 3 года назад

    Pastrami brisket with mustard rub, mop with mustard, honey, garlic and soy sauce mix.

  • @andrewknaff9220
    @andrewknaff9220 3 года назад +3

    A chimichurri brisket sounds fantastic!

  • @claytonhough3044
    @claytonhough3044 3 года назад +1

    I'd say a Mexican inspired brisket with fajita/taco/chipotle/lime flavours and seasoning. Lime would cut through the fat

  • @donscott6431
    @donscott6431 3 года назад

    Juniper berry/ginger/morita pepper/caramelized onion with pineapple juice and a small amount of tomato paste.

  • @DonPandemoniac
    @DonPandemoniac 3 года назад +1

    What about a Bourguignon style of marinade? Red wine, thyme, rosemary and garlic. With some grilled onions, mushrooms and carrots as a side.

  • @harold2388
    @harold2388 2 года назад

    I like to apply a horseradish binder. And brined and inject before placing on the grill.

  • @smackabroad123
    @smackabroad123 3 года назад +1

    I use curry powder with granulated onion and garlic. Then glaze with honey while it cooks. Brisket comes out like candy.

  • @bradvilleggiante6657
    @bradvilleggiante6657 3 года назад

    A Japanese style brisket with a ramen cook going on too. You then add some of the juices and brisket cuts to the ramen....

  • @tyg1434
    @tyg1434 3 года назад

    I had them all the best Best brisket I ever had was coffee rub brisket and Jamaican jerk rub brisket....hands down the best

  • @jamesnobaj758
    @jamesnobaj758 3 года назад

    I make my own rub with whole cumin seeds and some Korean red chili and you are right, there’s more to salt and pepper. Good luck for more adventure in cooking.

  • @jlabunnymom1
    @jlabunnymom1 3 года назад +1

    This is really similar to how we cook leg of lamb, or mutton. The spices are perfect with venison, too.

  • @michaelrangel1185
    @michaelrangel1185 3 года назад

    South Texas style mesquite flavor brisket is fantastic!

  • @haroldwilliams4018
    @haroldwilliams4018 3 года назад +2

    I would LOVE to see them to do a Jerk rub brisket!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring that Island heat to a nice chunk of meat!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Jessmaestro69
    @Jessmaestro69 3 года назад +2

    Honey Dijon

  • @randyalexander2764
    @randyalexander2764 3 года назад

    Howdy from Texas. Great video! Love your channel, and this curry idea is fantastic. To answer your question, as you just showed, Asian flavors with beef are always good, so maybe something like Kung Pao Brisket would be interesting. Thanks!

  • @Bigfish1day
    @Bigfish1day 2 года назад

    Been cooking my beef, pork and chicken with Jamaican curry for many years. Tried smoking some baby backs on my Kamado with applewood chunks rubbed with Jamaican curry. Damn it was good.

  • @Ssskywolf
    @Ssskywolf 3 года назад

    And again… i got water in my mouth wile watching the video… 🤤🤤🤤wished I could taste this! 🔥🤤

  • @WorldWideWillem-360
    @WorldWideWillem-360 3 года назад

    To your question of other brisket dishes. What about the Dutch tradition with Conimex products? Like Soy Sauce (Ketjap), Sambal Manis, etc.Typically applied to pork (koteletjes :) but could be very interesting with brisket...
    Mmm ........

  • @9laserjet
    @9laserjet 3 года назад

    Beef bourguignon. Make the stew and reduce down to a paste then marinate as with the curry.

  • @jeffbyrd7976
    @jeffbyrd7976 3 года назад

    I like cooking brisket, watching others cook brisket, as well as eating...not tired of brisket at all. Thanks.

  • @johngrubb1590
    @johngrubb1590 3 года назад

    Now that is the best looking brisket i have seen.🤩👍👍👍

  • @JohnHeath1612
    @JohnHeath1612 3 года назад

    this is heaven on a plate! Big fan of beef and a huge fan of curry so this is amazing. Also super jealous of your Masterbuilt smoker, I have an entry level Masterbuilt gas smoker

  • @TMac0925
    @TMac0925 3 года назад +2

    It’s world peace right here…and I wasn’t even hungry.

  • @jeffunrau3958
    @jeffunrau3958 3 года назад

    Very interesting! Iv been thinking about a horseradish mayo binder then your rub on a brisket or prime rib style beef before smoking could be epic

  • @conwaychiefs1372
    @conwaychiefs1372 3 года назад

    Thai Brisket with lots of lemon grass, ginger, and coconut cream 😎🍺

  • @santogervais4343
    @santogervais4343 3 года назад +1

    You are right Morrison has wonderful hair I my have been a little jealous. My hair is almost all gray🥺

  • @dres-bbq3569
    @dres-bbq3569 3 года назад +1

    looking good, i have a brisket in order now, going to give this a chanche.

  • @wolfegod88
    @wolfegod88 3 года назад

    Drooooooool, that's a nice addition to any brisket recipe regiment!!!

  • @stephanwalter1467
    @stephanwalter1467 3 года назад +3

    I’m from Thailand and never saw curry made like that, but if it is curry to you ok, but it’s nothing like Asian curry it’s may Dutch curry 😂🤣

  • @thefrozenphotog6780
    @thefrozenphotog6780 3 года назад

    Not sure you have it in the Netherlands, but in the States all the craze for awhile was Dr. Pepper jerky. How about a Dr. Pepper Brisket??

  • @willmartin4477
    @willmartin4477 2 года назад

    Looks great. Does the paper affect the crispness of the bark.

  • @joshschneider9766
    @joshschneider9766 3 года назад

    Let this cool entirely. Cut into manageable blocks, shred on a deli slicer, use that as well as minced veg as meat pie filling. Serve with a half pint of Samuel smiths oatmeal stout.

  • @exclibrion
    @exclibrion 3 года назад +3

    I would like to see asian style Brisket with the fermented bean paste and something that goes well with it.

  • @raidazz1
    @raidazz1 3 года назад

    Dude...... That looked absolutely amazing!

  • @dexterm2003
    @dexterm2003 3 года назад

    Thai curry brisket with lemon grass, fish sauce, ginger, galangal, chillies etc.

  • @gabrielkahl8898
    @gabrielkahl8898 2 года назад

    Hallo,
    You have to macke the same stile with the Brazilian Cupim. You will be amazed!
    ...little TIP from a Brazilian!
    GBY

  • @NELCARM
    @NELCARM 2 года назад

    I make a lot of curry paste. Often in 10kg batches . If you can find it in your ‘hood there is a brand of curry powder from Malaysia called Baba’s . I think it’s Indian for grandmother.They do it in a meat version in a green packet & yellow for seafood. If you had a look at classic beef rendang recipes you can see a pathway for a brisket cook. Just saying.

  • @PubRunner
    @PubRunner 3 года назад

    Ok this is close to salt and pepper...
    My go to is equal parts Kosher Salt, Cracked Pepper and garlic granules... It's tastes like garlic butter steak.
    I will try the curry one tho it sounds amazing.

  • @TheBHoky
    @TheBHoky 3 года назад +1

    I am going to try this on a chuck roast. It is just my wife and myself so I do not need to smoke a whole Brisket.

  • @Wimpelmann
    @Wimpelmann 3 года назад +1

    That´s one Happy face right there @ 08:56

  • @Yonada
    @Yonada 3 года назад

    Try the moroccan spice mix Ras El Hanout for it next time. That's a very different kind of flavour.

  • @TheHerson1981
    @TheHerson1981 2 года назад

    English mustered rub, than Salt & pepper and garlic,spice's

  • @alfreddorkalam5954
    @alfreddorkalam5954 3 года назад +1

    I would do a savoury saffron / lemon / thick yogart w sumac rub

  • @r09d98
    @r09d98 3 года назад

    Skip the garam masala, add some bay leaves, and you have traditional carne-de-panela from brazil!

  • @thibaulddemaret4143
    @thibaulddemaret4143 3 года назад +5

    I would like to see a “brisket oorlog” so a brisket but like in the style of a patatje oorlog.

    • @EgmondDekker1
      @EgmondDekker1 3 года назад

      Oh you mean a fries war love it don't vergeet the "slachtoffers".

  • @moistnuggests
    @moistnuggests 2 года назад

    "if You've had enough eating brisket"
    ...ha..haha...hahahahahahaha

  • @dioad1739
    @dioad1739 3 года назад

    I was not even hungry until I watched this, what’s up Morrison, Teriyaki brisket?

  • @tyeager57
    @tyeager57 3 года назад +3

    Do you guys ever do seafood?

    • @daveevans7438
      @daveevans7438 3 года назад +1

      Smoked lobster tails
      😲🤙

    • @tyeager57
      @tyeager57 3 года назад

      @@daveevans7438 sounds like something I would like to do

  • @flytelaw1
    @flytelaw1 3 года назад

    Great video! Mouth is watering…..how about Jerk Chicken, ribs or brisket???….Cheers, guys🥂

  • @carlosmonte9597
    @carlosmonte9597 3 года назад +1

    Rose Mary, thyme, olive oil, garlic and himalayan salt

  • @burmanphd
    @burmanphd 3 года назад

    I love Apple Butter beef ribs. I had them all the time in Canada. So I'm very curious how that would translate to brisket. And also how they would suit the Dutch palate.

  • @markobohning6600
    @markobohning6600 3 года назад

    Italian Style Brisket, with mediterranean herbs.

  • @johnkillingbeck1270
    @johnkillingbeck1270 2 года назад

    How about Memphis BBQ style brisket.. you guys are awesome 👌

  • @ElcomeSoft
    @ElcomeSoft 3 года назад +1

    It's official, Pitmaster X has been in my freezer. I have been making brisket curries for ages and storing them in the freezer to be slow-cooked and served with naan or rice, depending on the day.
    As for crazy brisket, truffle butter brisket would go down a treat!

  • @miahzzeebest701
    @miahzzeebest701 3 года назад

    I want to marinate a brisket in a really good imperial blend/carne asada style marinate.

  • @iheleanbeefpatty
    @iheleanbeefpatty 3 года назад

    you should try timming meat a bit - fat does not let flavour penetrate meat

  • @walhalla254
    @walhalla254 Год назад

    07:55 love your knife. Which knife and what brand is it?

  • @tonysharing3955
    @tonysharing3955 3 года назад +3

    Make the rendang brisket Roel that will be flavor BooM.

    • @TheExplorder
      @TheExplorder 3 года назад +1

      I'm going to borrow this idea, and cook that tomorrow. Going to the butcher to get myself a piece of brisket right away for marination.

    • @tonysharing3955
      @tonysharing3955 3 года назад +1

      @@TheExplorder no problem man. Glad to give you inspiration ✌️

  • @tjvolume
    @tjvolume 3 года назад

    Can you make a cheap select brisket taste great !

  • @ciroperrone5947
    @ciroperrone5947 3 года назад

    How about an Italian brisket, maybe cook it in tomato sauce and then parmesan style finish.

  • @michaelharvey7613
    @michaelharvey7613 3 года назад

    North Carolina Gold BBQ sauce Brisket. North Carolina Gold BBQ sauce has mustard lots of mustard. Please make this.

  • @mgmcd1
    @mgmcd1 3 года назад

    Was that cast iron you put that tomato paste in? Nothing like the flavor of steel wool in your marinade. 🤔

  • @im4broke643
    @im4broke643 3 года назад

    Morrison had the best look when tasting! Types of brisket? I've been wondering about that. Strong beef flavor, what goes with that? Mushrooms, onions, garlic, noodles, sour cream...I've made beef stew with a tomato sauce. What does brisket/beef taste like? Most only cook it one way?

  • @ejmarkle60
    @ejmarkle60 3 года назад

    That smile on Marshall's face says it all

  • @BillHartCooks.
    @BillHartCooks. 3 года назад +2

    World Peace through food. Now that is Awesome guys!

  • @tedsmith3532
    @tedsmith3532 3 года назад

    I'm going to try this recipe before I make a recommendation