You forget the primary purpose of their armor, especially the helmets; Brand Identity. the Mandalorians understand that the key to long term survivability in the Star Wars galaxy is about making sure your toy sales are high and visage instantly recognizable. Why else do you think they adopted Grogu so readily?
star wars has never incorporated branding, selling, advertising, markets, prices, costs, etc but you people have to include it. dumb comment. Im even dumber for replying to it.
@@sithebugguy3193I’m pretty sure the comment is half serious, half joking. The Mandalorian culture has survived because it is an ideal and because of the recognizability of their armor.
As for stealth, here is a quote from the legends: "Whereas many soldiers preferred the inconspicuousness afforded by camouflage, Mandalorians believed in the saying, "It's one thing to see us coming, it's another to do something about it.""
Reminds me of the Imperial Fists from 40K These guys are 7 feet tall and wear bright yellow armour The game allows them to field stealth units. But if you're an Imperial Fists player then you're probably not even going to bother
That saying is getting jacked. "You're gonna know when I'm inbound. Whether you can do anything about it... That is the true question!" I love that aspect of Mandalorian ideology and their mentality towards combat.
well they are shock troopers when operating in groups, jetpacks aren't stealthy, but they are fast, wouldn't surprise me if some of them occasionally added cloaking devices to their armor, I mean we see that forcefield bucklers are at least somewhat common,
Properly fitted armor still allows for plenty of mobility without hindrance. I've seen men do backflips and kick-ups in steel full plate. Also, in a world like Star Wars the limited field of vision can be overcome with cameras and sensors installed into the helmet.
The helmets are even better than that, as it is designed to give them a full 360 degree arc of view. So you can't attack them with much of an advantage, or sneak up on them.
Yeah, look at the clone commando helmet from republic commando's game, you had almost full view with the helmet on, they had the same T-shaped visor as the Mando's
From personal experience, a properly sized and fitted Mandalorian helmet is actually really good in terms of visibility. The T-shaped slot allows a nearly full view of your peripheral vision as well as the ability to look out and down without any issues. Especially if youve got good ventilation and anti fog measures on the visor
Catastrophic error: "Better off not wearing a helmet" - this is NEVER the case. If a blow does damage THROUGH a helmet DESIGNED TO PROTECT YOUR HEAD, it will always be much worse without that helmet.
Yep. Plus, helmets are usually designed to protect from shrapnel, and you shouldn't be taking shots to the head anyway, if you can help it. Though if you do, as mentioned, it's much better than *not* having one at all, you know?
@@Altarahhn a) propperly designed helmets are fitted with some form of shock absorbant materials to dampen the impact on the head. b) there is only a very small range between "injury were im happy i had my helmet" and "injury that insta killed despite helmet" were you would be happy to not have worn a helmet. Compare that to the 90% of injurys that can hurt your head beadly when you are not wearing a helmet... so yeah... ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET! (when there is a chance of combat) In addition the helmet houses your primary comunication devices, HUD and other information utilitys...
Seeing how Din Djarin's armor is one the things blasters can hit most consistently, Beskar could act as a magnet to attract blaster bolts, giving more coverage for otherwise exposed areas, which in turn allows for more mobility. A pretty genius design actually.
Vibranium dosnt even glow bro, and beskar is shinier. If your refering to black panther, its the energy glowing inside of the vibranium suit that Shurri made, but the vibranim is not glowing. And if you look at captain americas shield, it isnt shinier than mando armor. SOoooo.....IDK
The reason VIBRANIUM glows in the Black Panther movies is due to the kinetic energy from blows being absorbed by the metal being channeled through the suit with circuitry also made of vibranium! Beskar doesn’t absorb as much as it dissipates the energy from attacks through its INTENSE RIGIDITY! 🤓 May the force be with you as you walk The Way of the Manda’lor. Wakanda Forever !!
Remember, Beskar armor only weighed an average of about 22 pounds (10 kilograms). Current military loadouts weigh an average of 60-65 pounds, so it's actually really light for combat armor, especially for how effective it is. Certainly heavier than not wearing armor, but considering their typical careers, and Mandalore's violent history, I'd say the armor is perfectly fine as-is. Maybe add some plates in the less-armored areas like under the arms. Blending in is not necessarily required, since the armor is an advertisement for the Mandalorian mercenary groups. Also, if you try to attack a Mandalorian, you're effectively signing your own death warrant. There might be an argument there if we were talking about the New Mandalorian faction, but they were wiped out during the Purge. Edit: Mandalorian style helmets actually don't impact your vision very much, if at all. Plus, they have integrated HUDs to assist in aiming, as well as situational awareness. And as for the plasteel argument... At least with the Mandalorians we've seen so far, the vast majority are implied or outright stated to have actual Beskar armor. We don't know exactly what the Covert's armor is made of, but considering they have a Beskar forge at all times, and the Armorer's attitude, I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that they're decked out in full Beskar.
They all have beskar helm, but some may have more beskar armor pieces. It seems to be done by a "Earn the beskar armor" method with the rest having various other metals of armor. Also yeah, a lot of people think plate armor is heavy when it's not that heavy and it's built to be spread out and carried easily by the person.
well if you remember correctly, in the first season of the mandalorian, Din Djarin just had a durasteel armor, only his helmet was actual beskar. If I remember correctly in Legends (and maybe cannon), due to the scarcity of Beskar, mandalorians were using an alloy of Durasteel and Beskar for their armor. not as durable as pure beskar but better than durasteel.
Barbute type helmets actually help focus vision and provide excellent face n neck protection. Its why they were so popular in pre-Rome (the Armorer, Bo Katan) and kept making a comeback.
also, unless they are a member of that one stupid faction, they can just take of the helmet and jetpack, put on a baggy set of cloths/a long coat/robe or something along those lines OVER the remaining armor and voila you have a buff guy that doesnt stand out to much. Even better if you usually do wear your helmet since that means your face is less known and people are on the lookout for the helmet wearing idiot.
Eh yes and no. SOME who were around from before the purge might have full beskar, but in old legends and even Canon for example, Boba fetts armor is durasteel I'm pretty sure, but since beskar is so rare in these times I'd say the only thing FOR CERTAIN that's beskar would be their helmets, and the lucky or older ones might have more or fuller beskar armor. Basically, a lot of them wear a mix of beskar and other metals.
True, though I think he might have meant they were much better at protecting against blunt force compared to other armors. Sure, plate is still not as protective against blunt compared to cutting/slashing, but it protects you better against blunt than anything else in the time period. So if your enemy had a mace, you'd rather be in plate than chainmail, though of course, the rise in plate saw the rise in blunt weapons too.
@@KrautSpaceMagic ya make a joke based on blatant overkill, then you don't but the dots togeather for the "nuke it from orbit" joke when someone mentions orbit. 😶
Beskar isn't heavy; A complete set of Beskar Armor/Armament is only ~10 kilograms according to Wookieepedia. We saw a bunch of mandos scale the side of a cliff in full armor so I'm pretty sure Beskar being lightweight is cannon. The Helmets are basically an Iron-Man helmet with full range of sight not just the visor slit. We've seen the first person PoV a few times in the show.
@@JebFromWarmDays 10 kg is still 22lbs it's more like titanium than vibranium. Swimming with 22 lb weights would be really hard. He was also just tortured, had his blood drained and only sat down for 10 minutes.
The helmet has a lot of uses. I'm assuming smoke filters, and glare filters are integrated. Beyond that, the chestplate for the vital areas DOES seem to be the only universal plating. Look at the armoured, she wares much lighter armour. On the other end, we have Pz Vizsla, who wears extensive armour. As you say, it varies.
I think you should design (for us) your ideal Mando Armour. Yes, you blew blaster holes thru their design, but now that the problem is out in the open...improve it, Steve! \m/
Beskar is lighter and stronger than other metals. It hardly slows or weighs them down. Also, most Mandalorians paint their armor. So it really doesn't give them away.
@@hunterskidmore1672 sort of. With the addition of carbon it is lighter. Just by itself it’s heavier. My understanding is mandalorian armor is made with carbon.
Course you also have the Cathar and the Echani, old enemies of the Mandalorians who primarily focused on skill with melee weapons like the Jedi. Course who knows how canon they are anymore. Lucas hates the idea of vibroswords, and personal energy shielding fell out of use, so the Echani are probably gonna be ignored, and the Cathar always seemed to stay in KOTOR/SWTOR
@PineapplePaperCrafts the Echani still use them with their preference for a lack of armor, but I imagine it just either got too expensive to mass produce or weaponry just kept getting too powerful for them. They apparently always had energy and overheating problems, and you can have them on for a few minutes of melee combat, but even a few minutes of protection in a firefight could be invaluable if used right. They were always more popular in times of war between Jedi and Sith due to the prevalence of lightsabers. One of the only way regular folks could survive a blow or three. Looking it up, apparently they're in minor use for elite units but now pose radiation risk to organics? Reading through the wiki, knowledge on how to make them might have also been lost, but it's not like the Echani, Arkanians, or Verpine weren't a thing anymore...
personal shielding is one of those things that just breaks the entire franchise because now you have to ask why doesnt everyone use it? even if u say its expensive theres plenty of people who would have the money anyways or the ability to get one. theres ways to fix it but its mostly just nerfing it to the point its not useful anyways as a common tech.
@@blakeetter280 yeah their answer became radiation poisoning among other things. It's still in use in canon, apparently, but only amongst elite special forces type units.
It was basically an arms race between blasters and energy shields. Blasters won, shields that protect against modern blasters require giant power sources and output insane amounts of radiation.
1:51 um, actually it’s the exact opposite. Plate armor best protects against slashing weapons since you aren’t going to cut through steel, but bludgeoning weapons don’t need to penetrate the armor to deal damage. If you hit someone hard enough it doesn’t matter what helmet they’re wearing, you’re likely to cause a concussion at worst and most likely outright kill them with the right weapon.
Bludgeoning weapons are better at bypassing armor but it still helps expecially with padding or high tech varients of padding there is a reason people used highly specialised metal clubs rather then just sticks
@@killerhellhound yes that’s true, I was more so just trying to say that the best way to counter armor is often with bludgeoning attacks, I wasn’t trying to imply it doesn’t help at all against bludgeoning attacks. I probably could have worded that better
@@adamstadick2044 I may have been snippy and Im sorry for that I just get annoyed when people discount how protective armor can be Like people who say it would be better to not wear armor because you still get hurt wearing it. An injury being turned from lethal to painful is a big improvement that some people dont realise
@@wastelesslearning1245 given the impacts that Din alone has tanked without injury (rhino monster anyone) there is some sort of impact dampening in the armor. Which makes sense because if the armor just needed the right heat and moulding to make the mandalorian armourers wouldnt need to be so skilled to craft it and the secret would be easy to discover with any amount of the stuff
The Armorer : You know I love plate armor but just how much downtime it necessitates after combat is a real pain. Dr. Halsey : * laughs in Micro-fusion equipped powered assault exo-skeleton *
There are many issues i have with some of your takes in this video so I'm just gonna make a list lol. I started this pretty late in the video but these are the things i can think of off the top of my head. I eventually might go back and rewatch the first part to get the full take and update this. -I wouldn't go so far to say that the Jedi easily beat the mandalorians. -The whole not-blending-in thing is part of their identity, they are known as the toughest warriors in the galaxy and are proud of that. There's no need to hide in a general setting when you're the best of the best and you don't mind proving it at any point and time. -Internal armor temperature control was used in the cold weather armor by the galactic marines, so I'm sure mandalorians have that as well in a objectively better and more advanced set of armor. They already can hermetically seal their helmets and shown in Rebels their whole armor set with their undersuit so temperature control doesn't seem that much of a stretch for their armor. Just because the plates on some sets are thousands of years old doesn't mean the rest of it is also that old. Armor is retrofitted and upgraded with each user -Iron sights in star wars are a moot point, most higher-end helmets have some version of a smart link to their blasters, giving you a reticle to aim with. Considering Mandalorian helmets are the pinnacle of infantry armor it goes without saying they have that. Also many mandalorian helmets can see more than just what their visor shows, in legends Boba Fett's helmet had 360 degrees of vision. While this hasn't been confirmed as a thing in canon, it stands to reason that more helmets that just his have that. Purely speculation but reasonable speculation. In every medium we've seen Mandalorians have also had no issues using optics on weapons as well on their weapons. Additionally, many of the best helmets in star wars have worse vision than not wearing a full-faced helmet, but you gain alot of protection and other advantages with the full faced helmets. Look at clone and storm trooper armor, they have similar limitations, without some of the advantages that the mandalorian helmets have. -Mandalorians don't wear jetpacks because their armor is heavy, jetpacks give you a massive advantage on the battlefield. From initial deployment options to moving across difficult terrain and quick relocation, those are all massive advantages of jetpacks not even considering the direct combat advantages you gain as well. Mandalorians move quite well for how much armor they are wearing without ever needing the assistance of their jetpacks, and full suits of armor are quite standard in the star wars universe. In legends, a full suit of mandalorian armor only weighs alittle over 22lbs (10Kg) on average which is actually fairly light. Granted, there are other sources that state that Beskar is heavy so the answer isn't super clear on it, but in every medium we have seen mandalorians have no movement issues while wearing a full set of Beskar, so the jetpack is not required for good movement.
Yeah. I love the channel, but this video gets a lot of stuff wrong about armor in general and more so about hyper advanced Star Wars/Mandalorian armor.
For mobility, I doubt people will outruns a jet pack, singing birds (which can round corners), and blaster bolts. I’m pretty sure like the clones, the Mandolorian got internal AC in their so heat stroke is not much of a issue. Still perhaps a power armor or hover weight reduction assist system would help even more with mobility. My main problem is like you said they have virtually no stealth or espionage options. Perhaps by adopting a holographic personal energy field (like the ones that already exist in starwars) and a voice emulators like in their helmet, they can make themselves look like whoever, blend in, and surprise.
@@howarddavis8369 camo paint would indeed be a way. I hope we see a Mandolorian sect who takes battle field optimization even more seriously then the rest. Or a stealth Mandolorian sect.
He did take a lot of shots in the first seasons, I think it was more plot building as they really wanted to hammer home how strong beskar was but to be fair he usually was eating blaster shots when he was doing something “heroic” like distracting the storm troopers in the hallway and taking all their shots or when he distracted Fennec Shand and she shot him and the other guy was able to sneak around and capture her
Well, a "weakness" Plate armor was much better than other armors at protecting against blunt impacts too, since it spread the impact over a much larger area than chain or padding alone would. The padding just helps with shock afterwards. It doesn't make it not able to injure you, but definitely not enough to get you quickly. Blunt force was just the only thing left that was remotely effective.
@@FarremShamist weakness is defined as a quality regarded as a shortcoming. Armor is meant to protect, plate armor protects well from bladed attacks, but comes short of that protecting from blunt attacks.
@@mandoalessonsbackup While is this a very often repeated claim, just read through this thread, it's not actually entirely true. You need to remember that Armour vs Weapons was an arms race, and so while blunt weapons were created to deal with plate armour, that just led to armour which was designed to be stronger against blunt weapons. Things like adding in creases and fluting made the armour harder to crush so that blunt force would not be transferred directly to the wearer, but would be absorbed by the entire armour. If blunt weapons were the bane of plate armour, then we'd have seen a switch to blunt weapons as the main weapon against armoured opponents on the battlefield, and a drop off of using plate armour as a result, but we don't. Instead, we see weapons such as tapered swords, stiletto daggers, and other thin-bladed weapons that were designed to penetrate the gaps in the armour and through visors. We also find that the tactics again an armoured foe were generally either a case of getting them on the ground and stabbing them where the armour was lacking, or stabbing them with a thin blade in those same places, rather than bashing them with a mace or hammer to do blunt trauma through the armour. What did change the way that plate armour was used was the introduction of more powerful firearms where the weight caused by thickening the chest plate would eventually outweigh any benefit it gave in protection. Once that occurred soldiers started to ditch the amour until we have been left with the lightweight body armour we have today.
@@kylie_h1978 so essentially, it had a quality that was considered short of expectation, ie a weakness, so the armor upgraded to not have as big of that weakness. Why is everyone being so pedantic in this thread? GT said plate armor was particularly effective against blunt impacts weapons, especially maces, I simply corrected that. But plate armor wasn't particularly effective for blunt impacts, it was generally effective, but not as effective, thus considered a weakness. This led to people holding their sworf backwards, to strike with the guard/pommel to deliver blunt damage. As well as half swording to aim for gaps like you said, though technically stabbing gaps is effective against any armor, bc youre aiming where there isn't armor.
In addition to the impact and heat resistance, I believe that the suits of armor worn by the Mandalorians also have inertial dampening capabilities. Din showed this when he was rammed head-on by the mud horn and fell 50+ feet onto his back and just got up and walked it off. I also think that there is some feature in the armor that actually draws blaster bolts to the armor, so that’s how they never get shot in the gaps.
Shadiversity actually did a breakdown of mando armor too, and gave it high praises since it protects from everything including lightsabers and is relatively light and allows for great movement, so it isn’t cumbersome or inhibiting
the point you make the point about Mandalorians being tanks, is true... So were knights in plate armor, they literally had fighting strategies that revolved around the calculated taking of hits, and reprisals. They were literally the tank of their day, and they were very hard to kill.
A lot of what you said has been dispelled this season. Their equipment does work under water, the tech in the suits covers for the vision issues and Beskar is a high density, low weight allow.
10:30 Can confirm when I was just getting to my unit for the Oho Army National Guard and was being issued my gear there were a couple of guys who were helping me to assemble it all together and inventorying it. The minute that we came across the groin protector one of the guys immediately removed it from the gear pile and tossed it aside saying no one here ever uses this thing and you don't need to either lol
@@robblincoln2152 shots sure 🤭how about from the knees of that lady whose unimpressed with your Jarhead arrogance thinking you da best lay she'll have 🤣🤣🤣
I gotta know why the groin protector was even a thing, it wasn’t exactly a plate or anything so it could only stop pistol rounds (MAYBE) and it’s very unlikely you’ll be injured in the groin. Maybe as protective padding for explosive shock waves but that’s a stretch too imo.
Alan, your assessment of weight is there but if an armor set is properly fitted to the person it melds with the user. As a hobby, I do medieval combat fighting and my kit has well fitted armor and have full mobility. Sure using a firearm could be cumbersome using iron sights but I'm sure the Helmet has a targeting apparatus to allow the modification. All said, great video as always mate!
Cloaked/hooded fully armored knights is a great aesthetic. As far as laying low(er) is concerned, a robe could do a lot for a mandalorian. Could be a fire hazard though, what with the wrist mounted flamethrower and jetpack.
does anyone know the name of the cartoon that a clip of is shown where Sabine and I am assuming her brother are standing below a statue of I would guess the one who made the Dark Sabre. It is a completely different animation style than Rebels.
Thing is. The Empire made sure all the Beskardeposits on Mandalore got destroyed or strip mined...so there's no new Beskar to produce a new generation of armor. You could say they're a dying culture after thousands of years of unsuccessful wars against the Republic/ Jedi/ Empire. - Regarding the field of view in the helmet. It's basically unhindered. The Mandalorian style helmet is a derivative of the Italian barbuta helmet, it was used by crossbowmen among others so you can use shoulder arms with iron sites just fine with them.
"Almost better off not wearing a helmet at all" ????? What? As a motorcycle rider, a properly designed helmet is pretty much always better than not wearing one! Anything that does enough damage to rattle you THROUGH your helmet, would f@&king annihilate your skull! That's what padding is for! And why the helmet slap in Kenobi is so stupid... Edit: OK I really like most of your videos, but this one misses the mark and is just kinda... wrong on a lot of points. I won't go into detail since most of the other comments already covered it but like... a lot of this stuff is well known or just common sense or has been clearly shown in the show or other media.
More effective armor = good. But it depends on the mission. Assaulting an enemy stronghold? Urban warfare? In-building fighting? Mounted infantry operations? Boarding actions? Armor up! You don't have to go so far on foot and you'll be getting shot at ALOT and from many directions. Foot patrol over several kilometers in the mountains? Travel through swamps? Need higher mobility? Less armor. Generally you want more armor when fighting, but there are exceptions. Like when armor isn't that effective or the only effective armor restricts your movement to the point where operational capability suffers.
Actually, as someone who wears armor occasionally, I don't find their armors to be all that restrictive. In fact, I am more bothered with all the gaps their armors have. Granted, they are still covered with Armorweave or some other type of protective material, but I'd still be more comfortable with a little more coverage, personally (the fact that Boba Fett barely has any leg armor - essentially just poleyns/knee guards - is very bothersome to me). Rather, their armors seem to be made to be comfortable enough to be worn at all times without much in the way of restricting movement, with a few exceptions (most notably Paz Vizsla). Moreover, their helmets have an integrated HUD which allows them to have their full field of vision, and actually grants them enhanced vision modes (we've even seen it in the series). I agree that shoulder guards make shouldering a weapon all that more difficult, but Mandalorian armor usually has a relatively large gap between their chest plates and spaulders where I suppose they can shoulder their rifles with relative ease. We do see Din Djarin shoulder his sniper rifle under his arm quite readily on several occasions. Regarding impact force, the armor seems to have some integrated high-tech underlayer which I believe might act as intertia dampers. That would explain why Mandos don't seem affected as much by various impacts. As for heat stroke, with their level of technology, proper ventilation/temperature management should be of very little concern.
Ever since the series began I have been trying to get an idea of what clothing they wear beneath it. There are clearly several layers' worth, perhaps constructed of weapon-resistant fabric. Something like a Mandalorian paper doll would show the layers. This could have been done in the book "The Art of the Mandalorian" but wasn't.
I’d like to bring to your attention that super commando style of armor is lighter weight because it’s thinner but it’s also pure Bhaskar some nothing Pierce is it
You need to remember, Mandalorian culture is "I like them to know I'm coming and they can't do anything about it" and their older crusader suits really did better at portraying that, but I feel it still holds up in present as the Warriors inside are already so powerful
Beskar is lighter than full plate and these people have also been wearing them their whole lives. They’re probably used to it and it probably doesn’t feel too different from how regular clothing would feel for us
Armor is the least concern for the Mandalorians...they literally made a base next to a giant alligator monster and a giant hairless bird that swallows Mandalorian kids and inexplicably vomits them up at convenient times.
For I really do like where there taking the children of the watch because I m not sure if it was intentional or not but they seem to have same morals and code as jasper true mandalorians in legends where they are still warriors but they used there skill to protect but sadly jango didn't but the clone armory is more than boba because clones were raised to be warriors then learned to protect the life but sadly I bet most mandalorians and even boba would consider clones not real mandalorians warriors even though they are everything and more jasper wanted.
Maces and clubs are preferred against people in plate armor. That’s why the murder stroke exists. You grip your sword by the blade and bash the enemy with the guard or pommel. It looks silly but the sword becomes an improvised club and is much more effective at dealing with people in plate armor. Knights could be knocked unconscious and either finished off or captured. Capturing knights was the preferred option as knights were very valuable warriors and could be ransomed for a lot of money and/or resources. There were swords with tapered tips that were good at stabbing through the gaps of plate armor, but this was more of an improvisation. A pole-hammer or pole-axe will make quick work of an armored knight.
The first thing that happens when you put a warrior in armour is that they start taking hits. That's the point of the armour. Defending against blows is only useful if those blows can damage you, otherwise it's preferable to seize the opportunity to strike back and defeat your enemy.
I don't know what to make of this video on one side some of your points are correct on the other hand some of your points are ass backwards I just don't know what to make of this video
I love this channel, however I will be that guy and mention Blunt weapons were designed to counter plate armour. The whole point of maces and warhammers is to crush the armour instead of pierce it
LOOK at some point a drill instructor was pissed at a rookie for taking of his helmet. made an example of him taped the helmet to his head. Then they got wiped out and that rookie was the only survivor of the unit. teaching his punishment as creed. and that is frankly how religions get started.
Maybe like the Jedi during the Second Republic, the Mandalorians did not feel the need to change their armors or anything for the better. I know thisis not the best answer and might even be a terrible one. But looked at how dogmatic the Jedi were during the final days of the Second Republic, their refusal to change and "go with the flow of time" ended up dooming their own organization.
I'd like to point out that Mandalorians are a culture not a spieces. Which means tradition can keep them alive because they can rebuild themselves by taking in anybody and teaching them how to fight. So that makes them VERY hard to kill since they can just put a helmet on anyone call them a mandalorian and you won't be able to tell the difference.
It drives me nuts that they wear forearm and shoulder armor, but nothing on their elbows. Elbow cops can be a weapon in a pinch, and goshdang if bumping your elbow against a doorjamb doesn’t hurt like a sunuvagun.
one thing wrong with the statement on plate armor, blunt weapons and spike weapons where the bane of armor, what it was good at protecting from was arrows, swords and axes its why maces and warpicks where used against armor and daggers where used to slip between the gaps
Okay, I usually love your videos, particularly when you play devil's advocate, BUT... Your making comparisons to real-world armor. At one point, you made a comparison to medieval armor. Now looking at current-day vs medieval, current day armor is actually usually heavier and more cumbersome than medieval plate. Plate armor is actually not very restrictive at all, mainly around the joints which Mando-bro's don't wear. Medieval steel plate for a FULL suit was about 20Kg, spread across the body and supported in different areas to change the weight. It was fitted person-to-person, much as Mando's armor is. The helmets were also fitted and usually padded to provide a "support" particularly later on. It was actually the use of armor like this that gave rise to some of the subjectively cooler medieval weapons such as the Bec de Corbin and Maces. Current day armor STARTS at about 6Kg for a tier 0 pack which is a very light cloth suit and builds from there. It easily begins to weight more (though also protect more, lets not forget that) as more layers are added in to protect vital areas. And final point.....the first thing you want to protect is your head. Followed by your chest. Always pick a helmet first if you want a chance to survive. This is the way....
The Republic Commando novels establish more about beskar and it's utility, and you'll find the Mandos in those novels are highly practical and not at all superstitious or religious, and they cling to only those customs that promote their independance and survivability. The armor, as part of that culture, is designed to keep them distinct from outsiders and to make them harder to kill. In fact, the armor is one of the six tenets of the Mandalorian culture, including speaking the language, raising your children in the culture, supporting the clan, defending the clan, and being loyal to the Mand'alor. In Mondo'a, "Ba'jur bal beskar'gam, Ara'nov, aliit, Mando'a bal Mand'alor-An vencuyan mhi." Translated, "Education and armor, Self-defense, our tribe, Our language and our leader-All help us survive."
Beskar? We’re talking science fiction here. What if it’s stronger than steel but lighter than aluminum foil? Sure it’s bulky in the movies and shows but, what if we’re wrong about it? I mean it could protect better than your now ex-wife’s Jeep Cherokee that used to be yours against a AM General Humvee in a head on collision. Also, cushioning? We’re guessing here, The Wills only know what kind of super plastics are available to the Mandalorian people and their Armorers. Come on Steve really, think it through….it’s a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Tanks in DND and Tanks in actual application couldn't be more different. A good tank has been a balance of the three most important factors Protection, Mobility, and Firepower. You can't say a Mandalorian in 10kg of armor is clunky, and has little offensive capabilities. You can say the same about Modern MBT's.
As a Scout, Infantry, Paratrooper and Mountain Trooper you're partly right but partly wrong...Beskar doesn't have to be very thick to be strong so weight is minimal...pauldrons in close in combat help reduce the chances of taking a bad injury to the shoulder joints and reducing your combat effectiveness. The thigh plates and grieves aka shin plates are mo different than combining football thigh pads with soccer shin pads...the femoral arteries run down both legs...the helmet has a HUD, infrared and enhanced audio pick ups so it's a trade off of reduced peripheral vision
Durasteel definitely protects from blaster shots, plastoid which only Mandalorians serving with the empire wore like Gar Saxon did not give adequate protection and I doubt you can call it Mandalorian armour, like all plastoid armour during the Galactic Empire era where large scale battles where glancing shots, shrapnel and concussive forces were the main threats was rare unlike the clone wars but more small scale light arms only combat where direct hits aimed at the head or upper torso are more likely this is where Mandalorian armour excels additionally the helmets have the same benefits as clone and stormtrooper helmets regarding smoke, concussive blasts etc. The empire could have equipped its forces with durasteel helmets and chest armour including shoulder, knee and wrist armour which protect these crucial joints which if unprotected and hit by blaster shot would decrease combat effectiveness. The problem is that senior officers like Moff Tarkin were responsible for setting out the doctrine of the empire for most of its history which was about fighting yesterdays war than the war of today I.E as if the clone wars were still going on. Instead resources were wasted on two wonder weapons the two death stars, massive ships and fighters without shields. Durasteel is used in star wars for naval ships armour for protection from laser cannons, so wearers of it while not as well protected as those in beskar provides superior protection from direct blaster hits than not wearing any. As for weight Mandalorians can be seen climbing cliffs in their armour including heavy infantry armour, walking for hours in the hot sun of Tattoine, sleeping in it, engaging in high agility hand to hand combat and melee weapons combat. Their armour weighs just as much if not far less than clone and stormtrooper armour while offering superior protection for most combat scenarios in star wars.
Just had to say, Maces and other blunt weapons were SPECIFICALLY designed to foil plate armor, you couldn't have gotten that part more backwards. Looove your videos though, no disrespect 👍
The problem with Mandalorian Armor: there's not enough of it. Both in body coverage and various upgrades that are possible in SW universe. They could have full power armor, which would allow high strength checks and heavy weapons carry, plus multiple environment combat including toxic or void battlefields. They could have repulsorlift belts, as to decrease their weight or make them immune to fall damage. They could have energy shields, to block other types of weapons like electricity or sound weapons. They could have AI-assisted targeting, and overall better squad communication and battlefield awareness. They could use various droids for scouting, infiltrations and electronic warfare, as well as additional numbers for sentries and firepower. They could use genetic modifications to increase their combat abilities. The armor could have trauma packs like bacta or kolto patches to regain combat ability in case of injury. These guys are sadly stuck in their old ways, much like the Jedi.
Well the reason that people dont wear heavy personal armor these days is because at the end of the day, it cant tank more than a handfull of shots, at least by my understanding. Thus mobility is highly important. Mandalorians equiped with beskar can shrug of a company's worth of blaster fire and not be wounded. Stealth wise they have (or at least had) stealth feild generators. The beskar too usually would be painted over. Din is a flashy dude and doesnt paint his hearldry on his armor, he just leaves it blank. The helmet stays. It has a sensor suite comms, night and thermal vision as well as being blaster proof. And dont you dare attack the jetpack. They really just keep using the same armor, not just becasue of tradition, but also because in the last 10000 years, still no one has actually found a counter to blaster proof armor. And it came out when personal energy sheilds were still a thing.
Mandalorians are just smarter Gamorreans. Beskar solved the problem of Plot Armor..which it literally is. Mandalorians and their special metal suits also solved the problem in the stories where the Jedi needed a challenging combat opponent that wasn't a Sith. The Mandalorian culture is rather ridiculous, and somewhat out of place in the galaxy. In the same way that in modern times, on our world, expansion by military conquest of lands is a bit antiquated. They're throwbacks who refuse to get with the times. Provide value to the galaxy and perhaps gain a following who believe in your vision, as opposed to trying to conquer your neighbors and force them to accept your backwards culture.
Not just including the actual weight of Beskar59, but Mando armours are actually pretty light in design. Look at how much a mandalorian is actually Beskar. For many, there’s lots of open areas, which means that they surprisingly have a lot of range in movement while providing protection for the very least vital areas. I mean some, like boba actually have hardly any armoured areas (I say this as his armour isn’t beskar if I’m correct). And including the numerous techs their helmets and all have, surprisingly they still have a better suit than most in Star Wars. Even in real life, if a metal like beskar was found and we could fit the insane amount of tech on the helmet that makes a small visor not an issue, than it’s not the worst design possible. And the mando’s aren’t explicitly soldiers, for a country, but being a warrior is who they are, thus the cultural relevance is more important to them then say, the military for the new republic. The Gurkha in real life for example, still carry kukhuri’s with them into battle, despite being larger and much heavier than modern knives equipped to most military soldiers. But due to it still being very usable and having a huge historical importance to them, it will probably never disappear from their equipments.
Respectively disagree. 1.Mando armour is made as a flight suit hence the incoming fire a Mando could take is both front on and Head on (when flying horizontally) so shoulder pads cover that axis of fire well. 2. The helmet field of view is an artificial view, so its possible the field of view is extended past our own. 3. The watch rules on helmet wearing are probably less about protection and more about creating a joint identity between warriors and fracturing the identity of the foundlings so they can distance themselves mentally from the murders and atrocity's they will commit. 4. Mando doctrine, is small group tactics in diverse environments, so the use of sealed flight suits and jet packs makes perfect sense to cover all scenarios. 5. Knee pads are universal in all military's, thigh & shoulder Armor makes sense as a protection when slamming into objects while flying (see clone wars)
As someone who has be hit in steel armor with both swords and maces I can provide some good observations. Plate armor is EXTREAMLY effective against all forms of physical attacks. Maces will not cave in a properly tempered piece of armor. Full plate is impervious to any single attack. There were only two things that caused the end of plate armor being used in battle. The most significant was the proliferation of firearms which proved to be the only thing effective against armor. The other was it’s extreme expense to build. Think of a private just or large yacht, few people can afford it. So if you had a full plate of Beskar armor than you would be impervious to everything except a turbo laser.
I am absolutely amazed. I can't actually count how many ways this video is all kinds of wrong. Was it supposed to be a troll or something? From a Star Wars lore perspective (which is supposed to be this channel's focus) you're wrong about the weight of Beskar and wrong about the limitations of the Mandalorian helmet design with their advanced technology (sensors, HUDs, etc) From a physics perspective your understanding of how armor works is seriously lacking. From weapon types real world plate armor works against to the old myth about kinetic energy being transferred through armor as blunt force trauma (look at any of those videos where someone in a bullet proof vest gets a full clip unloaded into them at point blank while staying standing and unbruised) to not understanding how shaping deflects incoming projectiles instead of absorbing the force from them... you should really research this a little bit first if you're trying to provide any real analysis. From an anthropology standpoint you don't seem to understand how traditions are built or why certain traditions are maintained. As a starting point, traditions that get your people killed en-masse aren't ones that get adopted from one generation to the next.. I could go on but... this video was a troll, right?
Probably just show up like Leia in RotJ and threaten to nuke everyone with a thermal detonator on a dead man's switch. Impress upon underlings that your beskar will protect you but everyone else will be vapourized. Most henchmen are cowards and will drop it and give up the target. Also, most mandalorians will paint their armour. Dinn Djarin is a special case with his unpainted armour.
It’s funny that you mention plate armor and heat strokes A friend and I got into an argument. I was talking about an African sword that I thought was cool then he started talking about Knights. Then he turned it into an African warriors vs Knights. I told him he needs to be a little more specific on the African warriors since that’s a whole continent and the warriors vary. He went with Zulus. I told him it really depends on the circumstances He set it to a 1v1 in Zulu territory. I told him the Zulu wins cause the Knight wouldnt be able to move around effectively and would have a heat stroke if he can’t kill quickly. He was outraged. Long story short, the sun don’t play. Stay hydrated
I would add this armor was basic for maneuver and fire. Mandolorian armor is the only armor that stops a pistol but also rifles. To claim there not warriors or soldiers you are throwing away literally 50% of there history. They are and still are the best trained fighting force even current to Mando Disney. Din is a newborn Mando who gets his butt kicked a lot. But he wins... Mando's kicked the hell out of the old republic and it took a Jedi using a old code to challenge the mandolre to stop it. So besksar as a bad armor set is a joke in this story line. Plastic armor stops nothing, The clones were not just DNA but also trained by Mando's. Even today we use heavy harden homogeneous steel plate in military vests so we're exactly are you coming up with this idea?
Heavy armour is one of my favourite bits of equipment in video games and I prefer not to blend in. Green smoke grenades and IR goggles solve close range situations, and the sniper rifle-rocket launcher combo has rarely failed me in ranged engagements. I can make ~1500 meter shots without too much difficulty. It usually takes a large vehicle to get rid of me, and i think thats a fair trade.
Mandalorains are and will always be warriors. Oh no, plate armor is heavy. Lift heavy then. With the amount of training that Mandalorians are required to do, wearing plate armor becomes second nature for us. Thank goodness our modern era allows for ceramic armor and kevlar. Not dress like a bum because you're in bad neighborhood, be skilled enough to defend yourself and stay armed. What bad advice. That's why men don't wear suits in public anymore.
I mean, the armor wouldn't be that heavy if it's properly fitted. Also it's not like actual plate armor in history was that heavy in weight. You can do a lot of motion in plate armor. Assuming the mandalorian armor is "heavy" and thus slows or weighs them down is silly. Especially when star wars, on screen or off has never seemed to ever describe the armor as heavy, even the armor clone troopers or stormtroopers wear. The jetpacks making up for armor weight mobility wise would be a point if they EVER treated the armor as being incredibly heavy. As others said, Din was able to carry a case full of Beskar with a single hand. The same case that turned into most of his armor with leftovers. edit: I don't think Din is a bad fighter, but that he uses his armor's ability to deflect or absorb blows offensively to protect his allies or to showcase to his foes they can't hurt him. He knows what his armor can handle.
I don't think comparing humanoid aliens to reality makes much sense. Ya, the bulk of Mandos are human but they can be any species witch negates any problems with armor highly dependent on species. The armor is it heavy or light? Jango Fett was nimble enough to beat some jedi to death with his fists. Those robbed cats got reflexes like their on speed and use the force a higher power to slay their enemies. Mandos can get beat toe to toe but in the comics they get massacred with surprise attacks 24/7. Plate armor in reality is lighter than lets say the kit of a US rifleman and I imagine carrying around a blaster and some spare tibanna gas ammo would maybe weigh less? Look at the galaxy they all wish they had a expensive suit of armor lol, stormtroopers and rebel special forces have like full body armor suits. Tradition plays a roll in why they wear the armor but any army in the SW galaxy wish they had full body armor lol.
They are like Harley Davidson motorcycle riders who justify their attention seeking noise with claims of safety ("loud pipes saves lives"). Din Djarin is the biggest showoff of all the Mandaloreans with the brightest, shiniest, flashiest armor of them all.
The point of being a Mandalorian is to fight, and die in battle, like Vikings did, where survival is best but not coveted. The armour might be cumbersome, but it's part of their psychological warfare, since their legendary reputation precedes them, and people would think twice about going toe to toe with Jedi killers.
The argument that current soldiers almost never wear protection from head to toe is bullshit. That's given because current materials don't allow effective wear of full armor. But if you noticed as the these materials evolve, the armor gets lighter and lighter and soldiers wear more and more protection. Back in the day, soldiers wore only steel helmets for protection against shrapnel. Then flak jacket for the same reason. Then came bulletproof vests and first bulletproof helmets even with bulletproof visors, which for the time were reserved only for swat teams and such because they were still too heavy for long-term operations. Then armor began to have soft armor shoulder pads, neck guard, groin guard, etc. It's clear that the direction we're heading in is more and more protected areas and in 50 years, soldiers might begin to look like knights again. I mean hell, they already are pretty well covered, the only parts that are currently completelly unprotected are forearms, hands, legs and face (due to limited breathing and vision). Mandalorians obviously have material that's light enough and protective enough for them to work efficiently even if they're covered from head to toe in it.
Jango was probably the only one to truly keep a low profile switching out of his Mandalorian gear from time to time by his choice (specifically excluding Boba Fett without his armor, because it was not his choice)
They're armour is about as light as aluminium, so the characterisation of heavy is a bit incorrect, if you look at how they handle it and move in it, it's incredibly light and packed with tech and weaponry. Like if you watch how they handle the pure beskar spear it can't be more than 5kg, for reference a solid steel spear of the same weight would be minimum 16kg,
Is their armor actually heavy though? They always seem to have some kind of tech and wiring under the bigger pieces. Even grogu's rondel. I think they have repulsars in the bigger plates at least. Plus the smaller plates are actually pretty thin. The bulk comes from the connectors woven into the clothes underneath. When din gave his armour to cara dune in a big duffel they made it seem like it was pretty light.
Mandalorians are literally nothing but their traditions and culture since the race of mandalorians died out. So if you take those away they’re just skilled fighters. Like mando said at the end of season one- mandalorian isn’t the people it’s a religion. Now to your comments on the armor Camouflage- all they need to do is do what the US army does with its vehicle and just paint it to match the environment you’re going to be in. Utility- as you said mandalorians aren’t soldiers and haven’t been for a very long time. They tend to fight small groups that don’t tend to last very long and there for don’t have to worry about fighting long drawn out battles where they need to worry about getting tired out from the weight. Weight- for the most part I wouldn’t call what most of them are wearing heavy plate armor. Most seem to be wearing medium armor, where as boba’s armor is almost paper thin. Also as far as I know don’t know how much the metal weights, so it could be a light weight metal- it’s fantasy, and therefore can make up their own rules to things. Tactics- the tactics that military’s use is based off how protective our army and how effective our weapons are. If your enemy’s don’t have a weapon that can hurt you then you don’t need cover and can just move up to them while returning fire. Also as we saw on navarro in this season when the pirates had a weapon that could hurt them they used cover and as soon as that weapon was neutralized they got out of cover and easily took the town
Plate armor was weak to blunt weapons, a hammer or mace of some kind was often used specifically for armored opponents because of the concussive effect, and it would do more damage to the armor than other weapons as well. Plate armor protected very well from sharp pokey and slicey weapons like swords, spears, axes, etc. But if someone has a nice hammer to hit you on the head with you aren't having a good time. Also, plate armor wasn't that heavy, the main issue was reduced range of motion and your senses being dulled like the visor obscuring your vision, it being harder to hear with the big helmet on, and not being able to feel texture or anything of what you were holding on to if you had full metal gauntlets or whatnot. You can still run and do some acrobatic shit in full armor, it just takes some muscle and coordination.
2:32 What the hell? Tarre Vizla died a Jedi, how do people keep making this same mistake, they said it in Rebels for crying out loud. They said *'after his passing',* his blade was put on display in the Jedi Temple, and then Mandalorians raided the temple and one of them took control of the blade and uniting the clans. There has been no mention of Tarre Vizla uniting the clans.
That groin protector your referencing, I only know one person whose ever worn it and he was a driver, you should've seen him try to run in that thing. It's only rated for shrapnel and at most could stop a 9mm with some hopes and prayers. Definitely not worth the lack of mobility the added "protection" offers.
Of course, the elephant in the room is that Mandalorian armor wasn't developed by Mandalorians. It was designed by Hollywood executives who wanted something that would look cool on screen.
Din Djarin is competent, he just don't have thick plot armor, instead he have thick beskar iron, although it is heavier to wear, this also make situations less ridiculous and much more realistic. Also, shape of the helmet visor is nothing short of irrevelant, they have sensors in those helmets, wich give them better view of battlefield than someone without any helmet at all. But now i wonder, do they have padding in this suits? I mean, with all of these advanced materials wich exists in star wars, there surely is some material incredibly good to make padding to armor from it.
You forget the primary purpose of their armor, especially the helmets; Brand Identity. the Mandalorians understand that the key to long term survivability in the Star Wars galaxy is about making sure your toy sales are high and visage instantly recognizable. Why else do you think they adopted Grogu so readily?
👆this is the way
star wars has never incorporated branding, selling, advertising, markets, prices, costs, etc but you people have to include it. dumb comment. Im even dumber for replying to it.
Lmao
@@sithebugguy3193 wtf are u talking about bro have you literally never seen Star Wars merchandise in your life?
@@sithebugguy3193I’m pretty sure the comment is half serious, half joking. The Mandalorian culture has survived because it is an ideal and because of the recognizability of their armor.
As for stealth, here is a quote from the legends: "Whereas many soldiers preferred the inconspicuousness afforded by camouflage, Mandalorians believed in the saying, "It's one thing to see us coming, it's another to do something about it.""
Reminds me of the Imperial Fists from 40K
These guys are 7 feet tall and wear bright yellow armour
The game allows them to field stealth units. But if you're an Imperial Fists player then you're probably not even going to bother
Intimidation over stealth, can’t hate it.
That saying is getting jacked. "You're gonna know when I'm inbound. Whether you can do anything about it... That is the true question!" I love that aspect of Mandalorian ideology and their mentality towards combat.
@@MrGBH ah yes, 40k stealth units, such as ravenguard aggressors.
well they are shock troopers when operating in groups, jetpacks aren't stealthy, but they are fast, wouldn't surprise me if some of them occasionally added cloaking devices to their armor, I mean we see that forcefield bucklers are at least somewhat common,
Properly fitted armor still allows for plenty of mobility without hindrance. I've seen men do backflips and kick-ups in steel full plate. Also, in a world like Star Wars the limited field of vision can be overcome with cameras and sensors installed into the helmet.
From what I've heard, the vision wouldn't be as that big an issue even without the visor and sensors,
Dunno if its still true, but in Legends, Boba Fett's helmet afforded him 360 degree vision.
The helmets are even better than that, as it is designed to give them a full 360 degree arc of view. So you can't attack them with much of an advantage, or sneak up on them.
Yeah, look at the clone commando helmet from republic commando's game, you had almost full view with the helmet on, they had the same T-shaped visor as the Mando's
From personal experience, a properly sized and fitted Mandalorian helmet is actually really good in terms of visibility. The T-shaped slot allows a nearly full view of your peripheral vision as well as the ability to look out and down without any issues. Especially if youve got good ventilation and anti fog measures on the visor
Catastrophic error: "Better off not wearing a helmet" - this is NEVER the case. If a blow does damage THROUGH a helmet DESIGNED TO PROTECT YOUR HEAD, it will always be much worse without that helmet.
Yep. Plus, helmets are usually designed to protect from shrapnel, and you shouldn't be taking shots to the head anyway, if you can help it. Though if you do, as mentioned, it's much better than *not* having one at all, you know?
@@Altarahhn Unless it was provided by the Russian Army...
@@kylie_h1978 Yeah, maybe.
@@Altarahhn a) propperly designed helmets are fitted with some form of shock absorbant materials to dampen the impact on the head.
b) there is only a very small range between "injury were im happy i had my helmet" and "injury that insta killed despite helmet" were you would be happy to not have worn a helmet.
Compare that to the 90% of injurys that can hurt your head beadly when you are not wearing a helmet...
so yeah... ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET! (when there is a chance of combat)
In addition the helmet houses your primary comunication devices, HUD and other information utilitys...
@@vyran7044 Definitely, helmets are important, so dodge take them off on duty, right? Thanks for the tidbits!
Seeing how Din Djarin's armor is one the things blasters can hit most consistently, Beskar could act as a magnet to attract blaster bolts, giving more coverage for otherwise exposed areas, which in turn allows for more mobility. A pretty genius design actually.
He needs s big codpiece if that’s true!
Beskar - the Star Wars variant of Vibranium except less glowy and showoff.
Except not all beskar is made the same
Beskar alloy or even durasteel isn't blaster or lightsaber proof like the pure stuff is
Vibranium dosnt even glow bro, and beskar is shinier. If your refering to black panther, its the energy glowing inside of the vibranium suit that Shurri made, but the vibranim is not glowing. And if you look at captain americas shield, it isnt shinier than mando armor. SOoooo.....IDK
I didn’t mean for this comment to sound evil and dubious.
The reason VIBRANIUM glows in the Black Panther movies is due to the kinetic energy from blows being absorbed by the metal being channeled through the suit with circuitry also made of vibranium! Beskar doesn’t absorb as much as it dissipates the energy from attacks through its INTENSE RIGIDITY! 🤓 May the force be with you as you walk The Way of the Manda’lor. Wakanda Forever !!
@@homer6292 this has been a plot point since like the 90’s dude. What are you saying.
Remember, Beskar armor only weighed an average of about 22 pounds (10 kilograms). Current military loadouts weigh an average of 60-65 pounds, so it's actually really light for combat armor, especially for how effective it is. Certainly heavier than not wearing armor, but considering their typical careers, and Mandalore's violent history, I'd say the armor is perfectly fine as-is. Maybe add some plates in the less-armored areas like under the arms. Blending in is not necessarily required, since the armor is an advertisement for the Mandalorian mercenary groups. Also, if you try to attack a Mandalorian, you're effectively signing your own death warrant. There might be an argument there if we were talking about the New Mandalorian faction, but they were wiped out during the Purge.
Edit: Mandalorian style helmets actually don't impact your vision very much, if at all. Plus, they have integrated HUDs to assist in aiming, as well as situational awareness. And as for the plasteel argument... At least with the Mandalorians we've seen so far, the vast majority are implied or outright stated to have actual Beskar armor. We don't know exactly what the Covert's armor is made of, but considering they have a Beskar forge at all times, and the Armorer's attitude, I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that they're decked out in full Beskar.
They all have beskar helm, but some may have more beskar armor pieces. It seems to be done by a "Earn the beskar armor" method with the rest having various other metals of armor.
Also yeah, a lot of people think plate armor is heavy when it's not that heavy and it's built to be spread out and carried easily by the person.
well if you remember correctly, in the first season of the mandalorian, Din Djarin just had a durasteel armor, only his helmet was actual beskar. If I remember correctly in Legends (and maybe cannon), due to the scarcity of Beskar, mandalorians were using an alloy of Durasteel and Beskar for their armor. not as durable as pure beskar but better than durasteel.
Barbute type helmets actually help focus vision and provide excellent face n neck protection. Its why they were so popular in pre-Rome (the Armorer, Bo Katan) and kept making a comeback.
also, unless they are a member of that one stupid faction, they can just take of the helmet and jetpack, put on a baggy set of cloths/a long coat/robe or something along those lines OVER the remaining armor and voila you have a buff guy that doesnt stand out to much.
Even better if you usually do wear your helmet since that means your face is less known and people are on the lookout for the helmet wearing idiot.
Eh yes and no. SOME who were around from before the purge might have full beskar, but in old legends and even Canon for example, Boba fetts armor is durasteel I'm pretty sure, but since beskar is so rare in these times I'd say the only thing FOR CERTAIN that's beskar would be their helmets, and the lucky or older ones might have more or fuller beskar armor.
Basically, a lot of them wear a mix of beskar and other metals.
Fun fact, blunt weapons were what was most affective against plate armor.
True, though I think he might have meant they were much better at protecting against blunt force compared to other armors.
Sure, plate is still not as protective against blunt compared to cutting/slashing, but it protects you better against blunt than anything else in the time period. So if your enemy had a mace, you'd rather be in plate than chainmail, though of course, the rise in plate saw the rise in blunt weapons too.
Wrong, high yield thermonuclear weapons were more effective than blunt weapons against plate armor.
@@KrautSpaceMagic You'd better be using those from orbit or I'm gonna make plate armor out of you the same way.
@@joykillz7431 good luck, neckbeard weapons suck anyway
@@KrautSpaceMagic ya make a joke based on blatant overkill, then you don't but the dots togeather for the "nuke it from orbit" joke when someone mentions orbit. 😶
Beskar isn't heavy; A complete set of Beskar Armor/Armament is only ~10 kilograms according to Wookieepedia. We saw a bunch of mandos scale the side of a cliff in full armor so I'm pretty sure Beskar being lightweight is cannon. The Helmets are basically an Iron-Man helmet with full range of sight not just the visor slit. We've seen the first person PoV a few times in the show.
Why did din jarin sink so fast in the living waters though?
@@JebFromWarmDays 10 kg is still 22lbs it's more like titanium than vibranium. Swimming with 22 lb weights would be really hard. He was also just tortured, had his blood drained and only sat down for 10 minutes.
@@JebFromWarmDays He didn't. He was pulled down.
@@waraidako by what? He’s just lying alone when Bo rescues him. He wasn’t able to resurface bc he took his jet pack off
@@JebFromWarmDays Mythosaur.
5:49 Din Djarin would have retaliated by removing Paz Vizla's helmet to reveal Jon Favreau underneath.
The helmet has a lot of uses. I'm assuming smoke filters, and glare filters are integrated. Beyond that, the chestplate for the vital areas DOES seem to be the only universal plating.
Look at the armoured, she wares much lighter armour. On the other end, we have Pz Vizsla, who wears extensive armour. As you say, it varies.
more than that, their armor can also function as a short term EVA suit, at least some of them can.
Also, you have din djarin, who is wearing PLOT ARMOR!!!
9:15 Good thing that Pedro Pascal wore a helmet this time and it saved his life and face.
I think you should design (for us) your ideal Mando Armour. Yes, you blew blaster holes thru their design, but now that the problem is out in the open...improve it, Steve! \m/
Blasters dont make holes they leave burns and scorch marks......couldn't let that slide
Unless one is a stormtrooper…
Wait who's Steve ? The channel owner's named Allen
Beskar is lighter and stronger than other metals. It hardly slows or weighs them down. Also, most Mandalorians paint their armor. So it really doesn't give them away.
I believe beskar is denser and heavier then normal dura-steel
Top grade beskar’gaim is heavier than durasteel armor, but it’s vastly superior strength and durability negate any weight disadvantages.
@@hunterskidmore1672 sort of. With the addition of carbon it is lighter. Just by itself it’s heavier. My understanding is mandalorian armor is made with carbon.
@bio kido you can make it lighter that way, yes. But if you do that makes it much less effective as armor
@@hunterskidmore1672 apparently it retains its toughness
Course you also have the Cathar and the Echani, old enemies of the Mandalorians who primarily focused on skill with melee weapons like the Jedi. Course who knows how canon they are anymore.
Lucas hates the idea of vibroswords, and personal energy shielding fell out of use, so the Echani are probably gonna be ignored, and the Cathar always seemed to stay in KOTOR/SWTOR
Man in KotOR energy shields are the best. I always use them lol
I always wondered why they were never in more cannon stories.
@PineapplePaperCrafts the Echani still use them with their preference for a lack of armor, but I imagine it just either got too expensive to mass produce or weaponry just kept getting too powerful for them. They apparently always had energy and overheating problems, and you can have them on for a few minutes of melee combat, but even a few minutes of protection in a firefight could be invaluable if used right.
They were always more popular in times of war between Jedi and Sith due to the prevalence of lightsabers. One of the only way regular folks could survive a blow or three. Looking it up, apparently they're in minor use for elite units but now pose radiation risk to organics?
Reading through the wiki, knowledge on how to make them might have also been lost, but it's not like the Echani, Arkanians, or Verpine weren't a thing anymore...
personal shielding is one of those things that just breaks the entire franchise because now you have to ask why doesnt everyone use it? even if u say its expensive theres plenty of people who would have the money anyways or the ability to get one. theres ways to fix it but its mostly just nerfing it to the point its not useful anyways as a common tech.
@@blakeetter280 yeah their answer became radiation poisoning among other things. It's still in use in canon, apparently, but only amongst elite special forces type units.
It was basically an arms race between blasters and energy shields. Blasters won, shields that protect against modern blasters require giant power sources and output insane amounts of radiation.
1:51 um, actually it’s the exact opposite. Plate armor best protects against slashing weapons since you aren’t going to cut through steel, but bludgeoning weapons don’t need to penetrate the armor to deal damage. If you hit someone hard enough it doesn’t matter what helmet they’re wearing, you’re likely to cause a concussion at worst and most likely outright kill them with the right weapon.
Bludgeoning weapons are better at bypassing armor but it still helps expecially with padding or high tech varients of padding there is a reason people used highly specialised metal clubs rather then just sticks
@@killerhellhound yes that’s true, I was more so just trying to say that the best way to counter armor is often with bludgeoning attacks, I wasn’t trying to imply it doesn’t help at all against bludgeoning attacks. I probably could have worded that better
Maybe if they reinforced their suit’s joints with some kind of shock adorning or ridged lock frame, they would be better suited.
@@adamstadick2044 I may have been snippy and Im sorry for that I just get annoyed when people discount how protective armor can be
Like people who say it would be better to not wear armor because you still get hurt wearing it. An injury being turned from lethal to painful is a big improvement that some people dont realise
@@wastelesslearning1245 given the impacts that Din alone has tanked without injury (rhino monster anyone) there is some sort of impact dampening in the armor.
Which makes sense because if the armor just needed the right heat and moulding to make the mandalorian armourers wouldnt need to be so skilled to craft it and the secret would be easy to discover with any amount of the stuff
The Armorer : You know I love plate armor but just how much downtime it necessitates after combat is a real pain.
Dr. Halsey : * laughs in Micro-fusion equipped powered assault exo-skeleton *
That’s why lamellar evolved. As did scale n chain
There are many issues i have with some of your takes in this video so I'm just gonna make a list lol. I started this pretty late in the video but these are the things i can think of off the top of my head. I eventually might go back and rewatch the first part to get the full take and update this.
-I wouldn't go so far to say that the Jedi easily beat the mandalorians.
-The whole not-blending-in thing is part of their identity, they are known as the toughest warriors in the galaxy and are proud of that. There's no need to hide in a general setting when you're the best of the best and you don't mind proving it at any point and time.
-Internal armor temperature control was used in the cold weather armor by the galactic marines, so I'm sure mandalorians have that as well in a objectively better and more advanced set of armor. They already can hermetically seal their helmets and shown in Rebels their whole armor set with their undersuit so temperature control doesn't seem that much of a stretch for their armor. Just because the plates on some sets are thousands of years old doesn't mean the rest of it is also that old. Armor is retrofitted and upgraded with each user
-Iron sights in star wars are a moot point, most higher-end helmets have some version of a smart link to their blasters, giving you a reticle to aim with. Considering Mandalorian helmets are the pinnacle of infantry armor it goes without saying they have that. Also many mandalorian helmets can see more than just what their visor shows, in legends Boba Fett's helmet had 360 degrees of vision. While this hasn't been confirmed as a thing in canon, it stands to reason that more helmets that just his have that. Purely speculation but reasonable speculation. In every medium we've seen Mandalorians have also had no issues using optics on weapons as well on their weapons. Additionally, many of the best helmets in star wars have worse vision than not wearing a full-faced helmet, but you gain alot of protection and other advantages with the full faced helmets. Look at clone and storm trooper armor, they have similar limitations, without some of the advantages that the mandalorian helmets have.
-Mandalorians don't wear jetpacks because their armor is heavy, jetpacks give you a massive advantage on the battlefield. From initial deployment options to moving across difficult terrain and quick relocation, those are all massive advantages of jetpacks not even considering the direct combat advantages you gain as well. Mandalorians move quite well for how much armor they are wearing without ever needing the assistance of their jetpacks, and full suits of armor are quite standard in the star wars universe. In legends, a full suit of mandalorian armor only weighs alittle over 22lbs (10Kg) on average which is actually fairly light. Granted, there are other sources that state that Beskar is heavy so the answer isn't super clear on it, but in every medium we have seen mandalorians have no movement issues while wearing a full set of Beskar, so the jetpack is not required for good movement.
Yeah. I love the channel, but this video gets a lot of stuff wrong about armor in general and more so about hyper advanced Star Wars/Mandalorian armor.
@@KillamriX98 Unfortunately that is true, he has alot of incorrect takes/facts on here
For mobility, I doubt people will outruns a jet pack, singing birds (which can round corners), and blaster bolts. I’m pretty sure like the clones, the Mandolorian got internal AC in their so heat stroke is not much of a issue.
Still perhaps a power armor or hover weight reduction assist system would help even more with mobility.
My main problem is like you said they have virtually no stealth or espionage options. Perhaps by adopting a holographic personal energy field (like the ones that already exist in starwars) and a voice emulators like in their helmet, they can make themselves look like whoever, blend in, and surprise.
Paint n local vegetation… as always. DinnDjarin… no, just, no.
@@howarddavis8369 camo paint would indeed be a way. I hope we see a Mandolorian sect who takes battle field optimization even more seriously then the rest. Or a stealth Mandolorian sect.
He did take a lot of shots in the first seasons, I think it was more plot building as they really wanted to hammer home how strong beskar was but to be fair he usually was eating blaster shots when he was doing something “heroic” like distracting the storm troopers in the hallway and taking all their shots or when he distracted Fennec Shand and she shot him and the other guy was able to sneak around and capture her
Your videos are always amazing, just discovered you and love your theories. Keep up the amazing work!
Medieval plate armor was specifically effective to protect from bladed weapons, blunt impacts were actually a weakness
That's why it was worn with padding underneath.
Well, a "weakness"
Plate armor was much better than other armors at protecting against blunt impacts too, since it spread the impact over a much larger area than chain or padding alone would. The padding just helps with shock afterwards.
It doesn't make it not able to injure you, but definitely not enough to get you quickly. Blunt force was just the only thing left that was remotely effective.
@@FarremShamist weakness is defined as a quality regarded as a shortcoming. Armor is meant to protect, plate armor protects well from bladed attacks, but comes short of that protecting from blunt attacks.
@@mandoalessonsbackup While is this a very often repeated claim, just read through this thread, it's not actually entirely true.
You need to remember that Armour vs Weapons was an arms race, and so while blunt weapons were created to deal with plate armour, that just led to armour which was designed to be stronger against blunt weapons. Things like adding in creases and fluting made the armour harder to crush so that blunt force would not be transferred directly to the wearer, but would be absorbed by the entire armour.
If blunt weapons were the bane of plate armour, then we'd have seen a switch to blunt weapons as the main weapon against armoured opponents on the battlefield, and a drop off of using plate armour as a result, but we don't. Instead, we see weapons such as tapered swords, stiletto daggers, and other thin-bladed weapons that were designed to penetrate the gaps in the armour and through visors. We also find that the tactics again an armoured foe were generally either a case of getting them on the ground and stabbing them where the armour was lacking, or stabbing them with a thin blade in those same places, rather than bashing them with a mace or hammer to do blunt trauma through the armour.
What did change the way that plate armour was used was the introduction of more powerful firearms where the weight caused by thickening the chest plate would eventually outweigh any benefit it gave in protection. Once that occurred soldiers started to ditch the amour until we have been left with the lightweight body armour we have today.
@@kylie_h1978 so essentially, it had a quality that was considered short of expectation, ie a weakness, so the armor upgraded to not have as big of that weakness. Why is everyone being so pedantic in this thread? GT said plate armor was particularly effective against blunt impacts weapons, especially maces, I simply corrected that. But plate armor wasn't particularly effective for blunt impacts, it was generally effective, but not as effective, thus considered a weakness. This led to people holding their sworf backwards, to strike with the guard/pommel to deliver blunt damage. As well as half swording to aim for gaps like you said, though technically stabbing gaps is effective against any armor, bc youre aiming where there isn't armor.
In addition to the impact and heat resistance, I believe that the suits of armor worn by the Mandalorians also have inertial dampening capabilities. Din showed this when he was rammed head-on by the mud horn and fell 50+ feet onto his back and just got up and walked it off. I also think that there is some feature in the armor that actually draws blaster bolts to the armor, so that’s how they never get shot in the gaps.
Beskar isn't limited to just Mandalorians. Someone had the skill and desire to make that spear.
I for one, want it to be the Echani 😂
Shadiversity actually did a breakdown of mando armor too, and gave it high praises since it protects from everything including lightsabers and is relatively light and allows for great movement, so it isn’t cumbersome or inhibiting
the point you make the point about Mandalorians being tanks, is true... So were knights in plate armor, they literally had fighting strategies that revolved around the calculated taking of hits, and reprisals. They were literally the tank of their day, and they were very hard to kill.
the mace and other blunt weapons or halberds were developed as a response to armour that was harder to cut or stab
A dead dolphin carcus could provide cover, concealment, and a meal when you get the munchies!!!
A lot of what you said has been dispelled this season. Their equipment does work under water, the tech in the suits covers for the vision issues and Beskar is a high density, low weight allow.
10:30 Can confirm when I was just getting to my unit for the Oho Army National Guard and was being issued my gear there were a couple of guys who were helping me to assemble it all together and inventorying it. The minute that we came across the groin protector one of the guys immediately removed it from the gear pile and tossed it aside saying no one here ever uses this thing and you don't need to either lol
Yeah, everyone knows groin shots are off limits, even for the bad guys.
@@robblincoln2152 shots sure 🤭how about from the knees of that lady whose unimpressed with your Jarhead arrogance thinking you da best lay she'll have 🤣🤣🤣
I gotta know why the groin protector was even a thing, it wasn’t exactly a plate or anything so it could only stop pistol rounds (MAYBE) and it’s very unlikely you’ll be injured in the groin. Maybe as protective padding for explosive shock waves but that’s a stretch too imo.
Alan, your assessment of weight is there but if an armor set is properly fitted to the person it melds with the user. As a hobby, I do medieval combat fighting and my kit has well fitted armor and have full mobility. Sure using a firearm could be cumbersome using iron sights but I'm sure the Helmet has a targeting apparatus to allow the modification. All said, great video as always mate!
Cloaked/hooded fully armored knights is a great aesthetic. As far as laying low(er) is concerned, a robe could do a lot for a mandalorian. Could be a fire hazard though, what with the wrist mounted flamethrower and jetpack.
does anyone know the name of the cartoon that a clip of is shown where Sabine and I am assuming her brother are standing below a statue of I would guess the one who made the Dark Sabre. It is a completely different animation style than Rebels.
Forces of destiny
Thing is. The Empire made sure all the Beskardeposits on Mandalore got destroyed or strip mined...so there's no new Beskar to produce a new generation of armor. You could say they're a dying culture after thousands of years of unsuccessful wars against the Republic/ Jedi/ Empire. - Regarding the field of view in the helmet. It's basically unhindered. The Mandalorian style helmet is a derivative of the Italian barbuta helmet, it was used by crossbowmen among others so you can use shoulder arms with iron sites just fine with them.
Well, I always liked muscle cars, so... I don't know how to answer to you.
"Almost better off not wearing a helmet at all" ????? What? As a motorcycle rider, a properly designed helmet is pretty much always better than not wearing one! Anything that does enough damage to rattle you THROUGH your helmet, would f@&king annihilate your skull! That's what padding is for!
And why the helmet slap in Kenobi is so stupid...
Edit: OK I really like most of your videos, but this one misses the mark and is just kinda... wrong on a lot of points. I won't go into detail since most of the other comments already covered it but like... a lot of this stuff is well known or just common sense or has been clearly shown in the show or other media.
More effective armor = good. But it depends on the mission. Assaulting an enemy stronghold? Urban warfare? In-building fighting? Mounted infantry operations? Boarding actions? Armor up! You don't have to go so far on foot and you'll be getting shot at ALOT and from many directions.
Foot patrol over several kilometers in the mountains? Travel through swamps? Need higher mobility? Less armor. Generally you want more armor when fighting, but there are exceptions. Like when armor isn't that effective or the only effective armor restricts your movement to the point where operational capability suffers.
Actually, as someone who wears armor occasionally, I don't find their armors to be all that restrictive. In fact, I am more bothered with all the gaps their armors have. Granted, they are still covered with Armorweave or some other type of protective material, but I'd still be more comfortable with a little more coverage, personally (the fact that Boba Fett barely has any leg armor - essentially just poleyns/knee guards - is very bothersome to me). Rather, their armors seem to be made to be comfortable enough to be worn at all times without much in the way of restricting movement, with a few exceptions (most notably Paz Vizsla). Moreover, their helmets have an integrated HUD which allows them to have their full field of vision, and actually grants them enhanced vision modes (we've even seen it in the series). I agree that shoulder guards make shouldering a weapon all that more difficult, but Mandalorian armor usually has a relatively large gap between their chest plates and spaulders where I suppose they can shoulder their rifles with relative ease. We do see Din Djarin shoulder his sniper rifle under his arm quite readily on several occasions. Regarding impact force, the armor seems to have some integrated high-tech underlayer which I believe might act as intertia dampers. That would explain why Mandos don't seem affected as much by various impacts. As for heat stroke, with their level of technology, proper ventilation/temperature management should be of very little concern.
Ever since the series began I have been trying to get an idea of what clothing they wear beneath it. There are clearly several layers' worth, perhaps constructed of weapon-resistant fabric. Something like a Mandalorian paper doll would show the layers. This could have been done in the book "The Art of the Mandalorian" but wasn't.
I’d like to bring to your attention that super commando style of armor is lighter weight because it’s thinner but it’s also pure Bhaskar some nothing Pierce is it
You need to remember, Mandalorian culture is "I like them to know I'm coming and they can't do anything about it" and their older crusader suits really did better at portraying that, but I feel it still holds up in present as the Warriors inside are already so powerful
Beskar is lighter than full plate and these people have also been wearing them their whole lives. They’re probably used to it and it probably doesn’t feel too different from how regular clothing would feel for us
Armor is the least concern for the Mandalorians...they literally made a base next to a giant alligator monster and a giant hairless bird that swallows Mandalorian kids and inexplicably vomits them up at convenient times.
For I really do like where there taking the children of the watch because I m not sure if it was intentional or not but they seem to have same morals and code as jasper true mandalorians in legends where they are still warriors but they used there skill to protect but sadly jango didn't but the clone armory is more than boba because clones were raised to be warriors then learned to protect the life but sadly I bet most mandalorians and even boba would consider clones not real mandalorians warriors even though they are everything and more jasper wanted.
Maces and clubs are preferred against people in plate armor. That’s why the murder stroke exists. You grip your sword by the blade and bash the enemy with the guard or pommel. It looks silly but the sword becomes an improvised club and is much more effective at dealing with people in plate armor. Knights could be knocked unconscious and either finished off or captured. Capturing knights was the preferred option as knights were very valuable warriors and could be ransomed for a lot of money and/or resources.
There were swords with tapered tips that were good at stabbing through the gaps of plate armor, but this was more of an improvisation. A pole-hammer or pole-axe will make quick work of an armored knight.
The first thing that happens when you put a warrior in armour is that they start taking hits. That's the point of the armour. Defending against blows is only useful if those blows can damage you, otherwise it's preferable to seize the opportunity to strike back and defeat your enemy.
What Mandalorians need to do is take from Batman's playbook for armor; a perfect combination of protection and stealth.
I don't know what to make of this video on one side some of your points are correct on the other hand some of your points are ass backwards I just don't know what to make of this video
Din, like all heroes in shows, have plot armor. But his armor is literal. He is literally wearing a suit that is on the level of story plot armor.
Ha! The last quote works for both Spain and America
I love this channel, however I will be that guy and mention Blunt weapons were designed to counter plate armour. The whole point of maces and warhammers is to crush the armour instead of pierce it
LOOK at some point a drill instructor was pissed at a rookie for taking of his helmet. made an example of him taped the helmet to his head. Then they got wiped out and that rookie was the only survivor of the unit. teaching his punishment as creed. and that is frankly how religions get started.
New head cannon
A lot of traditions actually arise rather quickly. The trick of traditions is the illusion that they existed for much longer then they really have.
See Santa Claus
Maybe like the Jedi during the Second Republic, the Mandalorians did not feel the need to change their armors or anything for the better. I know thisis not the best answer and might even be a terrible one. But looked at how dogmatic the Jedi were during the final days of the Second Republic, their refusal to change and "go with the flow of time" ended up dooming their own organization.
Thanks Steve!
Wow Steve, way to go!
Now the show does not need Din Jaro and Grogu , it would be the same with its new lead character , Bo Katan , the Womandalorian.
A cape and a jet pack seem like a bad combination
I'd like to point out that Mandalorians are a culture not a spieces. Which means tradition can keep them alive because they can rebuild themselves by taking in anybody and teaching them how to fight. So that makes them VERY hard to kill since they can just put a helmet on anyone call them a mandalorian and you won't be able to tell the difference.
Who are the red armour troops? Is that the same as mandalorian plates
It drives me nuts that they wear forearm and shoulder armor, but nothing on their elbows. Elbow cops can be a weapon in a pinch, and goshdang if bumping your elbow against a doorjamb doesn’t hurt like a sunuvagun.
one thing wrong with the statement on plate armor, blunt weapons and spike weapons where the bane of armor, what it was good at protecting from was arrows, swords and axes
its why maces and warpicks where used against armor and daggers where used to slip between the gaps
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Okay, I usually love your videos, particularly when you play devil's advocate, BUT...
Your making comparisons to real-world armor. At one point, you made a comparison to medieval armor.
Now looking at current-day vs medieval, current day armor is actually usually heavier and more cumbersome than medieval plate. Plate armor is actually not very restrictive at all, mainly around the joints which Mando-bro's don't wear.
Medieval steel plate for a FULL suit was about 20Kg, spread across the body and supported in different areas to change the weight. It was fitted person-to-person, much as Mando's armor is. The helmets were also fitted and usually padded to provide a "support" particularly later on. It was actually the use of armor like this that gave rise to some of the subjectively cooler medieval weapons such as the Bec de Corbin and Maces.
Current day armor STARTS at about 6Kg for a tier 0 pack which is a very light cloth suit and builds from there. It easily begins to weight more (though also protect more, lets not forget that) as more layers are added in to protect vital areas.
And final point.....the first thing you want to protect is your head. Followed by your chest. Always pick a helmet first if you want a chance to survive. This is the way....
The Republic Commando novels establish more about beskar and it's utility, and you'll find the Mandos in those novels are highly practical and not at all superstitious or religious, and they cling to only those customs that promote their independance and survivability. The armor, as part of that culture, is designed to keep them distinct from outsiders and to make them harder to kill. In fact, the armor is one of the six tenets of the Mandalorian culture, including speaking the language, raising your children in the culture, supporting the clan, defending the clan, and being loyal to the Mand'alor. In Mondo'a, "Ba'jur bal beskar'gam, Ara'nov, aliit, Mando'a bal Mand'alor-An vencuyan mhi." Translated, "Education and armor, Self-defense, our tribe, Our language and our leader-All help us survive."
Beskar? We’re talking science fiction here. What if it’s stronger than steel but lighter than aluminum foil? Sure it’s bulky in the movies and shows but, what if we’re wrong about it? I mean it could protect better than your now ex-wife’s Jeep Cherokee that used to be yours against a AM General Humvee in a head on collision. Also, cushioning? We’re guessing here, The Wills only know what kind of super plastics are available to the Mandalorian people and their Armorers. Come on Steve really, think it through….it’s a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Tanks in DND and Tanks in actual application couldn't be more different. A good tank has been a balance of the three most important factors Protection, Mobility, and Firepower. You can't say a Mandalorian in 10kg of armor is clunky, and has little offensive capabilities. You can say the same about Modern MBT's.
As a Scout, Infantry, Paratrooper and Mountain Trooper you're partly right but partly wrong...Beskar doesn't have to be very thick to be strong so weight is minimal...pauldrons in close in combat help reduce the chances of taking a bad injury to the shoulder joints and reducing your combat effectiveness. The thigh plates and grieves aka shin plates are mo different than combining football thigh pads with soccer shin pads...the femoral arteries run down both legs...the helmet has a HUD, infrared and enhanced audio pick ups so it's a trade off of reduced peripheral vision
Durasteel definitely protects from blaster shots, plastoid which only Mandalorians serving with the empire wore like Gar Saxon did not give adequate protection and I doubt you can call it Mandalorian armour, like all plastoid armour during the Galactic Empire era where large scale battles where glancing shots, shrapnel and concussive forces were the main threats was rare unlike the clone wars but more small scale light arms only combat where direct hits aimed at the head or upper torso are more likely this is where Mandalorian armour excels additionally the helmets have the same benefits as clone and stormtrooper helmets regarding smoke, concussive blasts etc.
The empire could have equipped its forces with durasteel helmets and chest armour including shoulder, knee and wrist armour which protect these crucial joints which if unprotected and hit by blaster shot would decrease combat effectiveness. The problem is that senior officers like Moff Tarkin were responsible for setting out the doctrine of the empire for most of its history which was about fighting yesterdays war than the war of today I.E as if the clone wars were still going on. Instead resources were wasted on two wonder weapons the two death stars, massive ships and fighters without shields.
Durasteel is used in star wars for naval ships armour for protection from laser cannons, so wearers of it while not as well protected as those in beskar provides superior protection from direct blaster hits than not wearing any.
As for weight Mandalorians can be seen climbing cliffs in their armour including heavy infantry armour, walking for hours in the hot sun of Tattoine, sleeping in it, engaging in high agility hand to hand combat and melee weapons combat. Their armour weighs just as much if not far less than clone and stormtrooper armour while offering superior protection for most combat scenarios in star wars.
Just had to say, Maces and other blunt weapons were SPECIFICALLY designed to foil plate armor, you couldn't have gotten that part more backwards.
Looove your videos though, no disrespect 👍
The problem with Mandalorian Armor: there's not enough of it.
Both in body coverage and various upgrades that are possible in SW universe.
They could have full power armor, which would allow high strength checks and heavy weapons carry, plus multiple environment combat including toxic or void battlefields.
They could have repulsorlift belts, as to decrease their weight or make them immune to fall damage.
They could have energy shields, to block other types of weapons like electricity or sound weapons.
They could have AI-assisted targeting, and overall better squad communication and battlefield awareness.
They could use various droids for scouting, infiltrations and electronic warfare, as well as additional numbers for sentries and firepower.
They could use genetic modifications to increase their combat abilities.
The armor could have trauma packs like bacta or kolto patches to regain combat ability in case of injury.
These guys are sadly stuck in their old ways, much like the Jedi.
Well the reason that people dont wear heavy personal armor these days is because at the end of the day, it cant tank more than a handfull of shots, at least by my understanding. Thus mobility is highly important. Mandalorians equiped with beskar can shrug of a company's worth of blaster fire and not be wounded. Stealth wise they have (or at least had) stealth feild generators. The beskar too usually would be painted over. Din is a flashy dude and doesnt paint his hearldry on his armor, he just leaves it blank. The helmet stays. It has a sensor suite comms, night and thermal vision as well as being blaster proof. And dont you dare attack the jetpack. They really just keep using the same armor, not just becasue of tradition, but also because in the last 10000 years, still no one has actually found a counter to blaster proof armor. And it came out when personal energy sheilds were still a thing.
Mandalorians are just smarter Gamorreans.
Beskar solved the problem of Plot Armor..which it literally is. Mandalorians and their special metal suits also solved the problem in the stories where the Jedi needed a challenging combat opponent that wasn't a Sith.
The Mandalorian culture is rather ridiculous, and somewhat out of place in the galaxy. In the same way that in modern times, on our world, expansion by military conquest of lands is a bit antiquated. They're throwbacks who refuse to get with the times. Provide value to the galaxy and perhaps gain a following who believe in your vision, as opposed to trying to conquer your neighbors and force them to accept your backwards culture.
Not just including the actual weight of Beskar59, but Mando armours are actually pretty light in design. Look at how much a mandalorian is actually Beskar. For many, there’s lots of open areas, which means that they surprisingly have a lot of range in movement while providing protection for the very least vital areas. I mean some, like boba actually have hardly any armoured areas (I say this as his armour isn’t beskar if I’m correct).
And including the numerous techs their helmets and all have, surprisingly they still have a better suit than most in Star Wars.
Even in real life, if a metal like beskar was found and we could fit the insane amount of tech on the helmet that makes a small visor not an issue, than it’s not the worst design possible.
And the mando’s aren’t explicitly soldiers, for a country, but being a warrior is who they are, thus the cultural relevance is more important to them then say, the military for the new republic.
The Gurkha in real life for example, still carry kukhuri’s with them into battle, despite being larger and much heavier than modern knives equipped to most military soldiers. But due to it still being very usable and having a huge historical importance to them, it will probably never disappear from their equipments.
Respectively disagree.
1.Mando armour is made as a flight suit hence the incoming fire a Mando could take is both front on and Head on (when flying horizontally) so shoulder pads cover that axis of fire well.
2. The helmet field of view is an artificial view, so its possible the field of view is extended past our own.
3. The watch rules on helmet wearing are probably less about protection and more about creating a joint identity between warriors and fracturing the identity of the foundlings so they can distance themselves mentally from the murders and atrocity's they will commit.
4. Mando doctrine, is small group tactics in diverse environments, so the use of sealed flight suits and jet packs makes perfect sense to cover all scenarios.
5. Knee pads are universal in all military's, thigh & shoulder Armor makes sense as a protection when slamming into objects while flying (see clone wars)
the mandalorians didn't start using jetpacks to combat the jedi. they used them to avoid their true worst enemy, head high water
As someone who has be hit in steel armor with both swords and maces I can provide some good observations. Plate armor is EXTREAMLY effective against all forms of physical attacks. Maces will not cave in a properly tempered piece of armor. Full plate is impervious to any single attack. There were only two things that caused the end of plate armor being used in battle. The most significant was the proliferation of firearms which proved to be the only thing effective against armor. The other was it’s extreme expense to build. Think of a private just or large yacht, few people can afford it. So if you had a full plate of Beskar armor than you would be impervious to everything except a turbo laser.
I am absolutely amazed. I can't actually count how many ways this video is all kinds of wrong. Was it supposed to be a troll or something?
From a Star Wars lore perspective (which is supposed to be this channel's focus) you're wrong about the weight of Beskar and wrong about the limitations of the Mandalorian helmet design with their advanced technology (sensors, HUDs, etc)
From a physics perspective your understanding of how armor works is seriously lacking. From weapon types real world plate armor works against to the old myth about kinetic energy being transferred through armor as blunt force trauma (look at any of those videos where someone in a bullet proof vest gets a full clip unloaded into them at point blank while staying standing and unbruised) to not understanding how shaping deflects incoming projectiles instead of absorbing the force from them... you should really research this a little bit first if you're trying to provide any real analysis.
From an anthropology standpoint you don't seem to understand how traditions are built or why certain traditions are maintained. As a starting point, traditions that get your people killed en-masse aren't ones that get adopted from one generation to the next..
I could go on but... this video was a troll, right?
Probably just show up like Leia in RotJ and threaten to nuke everyone with a thermal detonator on a dead man's switch.
Impress upon underlings that your beskar will protect you but everyone else will be vapourized. Most henchmen are cowards and will drop it and give up the target.
Also, most mandalorians will paint their armour. Dinn Djarin is a special case with his unpainted armour.
Hah i literally opened my phone like "i wonder what generation tech is up to" and this vid was at the top of my youtube notifications
It’s funny that you mention plate armor and heat strokes
A friend and I got into an argument. I was talking about an African sword that I thought was cool then he started talking about Knights. Then he turned it into an African warriors vs Knights. I told him he needs to be a little more specific on the African warriors since that’s a whole continent and the warriors vary. He went with Zulus.
I told him it really depends on the circumstances
He set it to a 1v1 in Zulu territory. I told him the Zulu wins cause the Knight wouldnt be able to move around effectively and would have a heat stroke if he can’t kill quickly. He was outraged.
Long story short, the sun don’t play. Stay hydrated
Yeah, it's not like a Mandalorian would just reprogram droids like Judge Doom.
Range of motion?
hmph!
Energy Efficiency?
hmph!
A Mandalorian craves not these things!
You... aren't reckless (enough).
I would add this armor was basic for maneuver and fire. Mandolorian armor is the only armor that stops a pistol but also rifles. To claim there not warriors or soldiers you are throwing away literally 50% of there history. They are and still are the best trained fighting force even current to Mando Disney. Din is a newborn Mando who gets his butt kicked a lot. But he wins... Mando's kicked the hell out of the old republic and it took a Jedi using a old code to challenge the mandolre to stop it. So besksar as a bad armor set is a joke in this story line. Plastic armor stops nothing, The clones were not just DNA but also trained by Mando's. Even today we use heavy harden homogeneous steel plate in military vests so we're exactly are you coming up with this idea?
Heavy armour is one of my favourite bits of equipment in video games and I prefer not to blend in. Green smoke grenades and IR goggles solve close range situations, and the sniper rifle-rocket launcher combo has rarely failed me in ranged engagements. I can make ~1500 meter shots without too much difficulty. It usually takes a large vehicle to get rid of me, and i think thats a fair trade.
Mandalorains are and will always be warriors. Oh no, plate armor is heavy. Lift heavy then. With the amount of training that Mandalorians are required to do, wearing plate armor becomes second nature for us. Thank goodness our modern era allows for ceramic armor and kevlar. Not dress like a bum because you're in bad neighborhood, be skilled enough to defend yourself and stay armed. What bad advice. That's why men don't wear suits in public anymore.
I mean, the armor wouldn't be that heavy if it's properly fitted. Also it's not like actual plate armor in history was that heavy in weight. You can do a lot of motion in plate armor.
Assuming the mandalorian armor is "heavy" and thus slows or weighs them down is silly. Especially when star wars, on screen or off has never seemed to ever describe the armor as heavy, even the armor clone troopers or stormtroopers wear. The jetpacks making up for armor weight mobility wise would be a point if they EVER treated the armor as being incredibly heavy. As others said, Din was able to carry a case full of Beskar with a single hand. The same case that turned into most of his armor with leftovers.
edit: I don't think Din is a bad fighter, but that he uses his armor's ability to deflect or absorb blows offensively to protect his allies or to showcase to his foes they can't hurt him. He knows what his armor can handle.
I don't think comparing humanoid aliens to reality makes much sense. Ya, the bulk of Mandos are human but they can be any species witch negates any problems with armor highly dependent on species. The armor is it heavy or light? Jango Fett was nimble enough to beat some jedi to death with his fists. Those robbed cats got reflexes like their on speed and use the force a higher power to slay their enemies. Mandos can get beat toe to toe but in the comics they get massacred with surprise attacks 24/7. Plate armor in reality is lighter than lets say the kit of a US rifleman and I imagine carrying around a blaster and some spare tibanna gas ammo would maybe weigh less? Look at the galaxy they all wish they had a expensive suit of armor lol, stormtroopers and rebel special forces have like full body armor suits. Tradition plays a roll in why they wear the armor but any army in the SW galaxy wish they had full body armor lol.
They are like Harley Davidson motorcycle riders who justify their attention seeking noise with claims of safety ("loud pipes saves lives"). Din Djarin is the biggest showoff of all the Mandaloreans with the brightest, shiniest, flashiest armor of them all.
The point of being a Mandalorian is to fight, and die in battle, like Vikings did, where survival is best but not coveted. The armour might be cumbersome, but it's part of their psychological warfare, since their legendary reputation precedes them, and people would think twice about going toe to toe with Jedi killers.
The argument that current soldiers almost never wear protection from head to toe is bullshit. That's given because current materials don't allow effective wear of full armor. But if you noticed as the these materials evolve, the armor gets lighter and lighter and soldiers wear more and more protection. Back in the day, soldiers wore only steel helmets for protection against shrapnel. Then flak jacket for the same reason. Then came bulletproof vests and first bulletproof helmets even with bulletproof visors, which for the time were reserved only for swat teams and such because they were still too heavy for long-term operations. Then armor began to have soft armor shoulder pads, neck guard, groin guard, etc. It's clear that the direction we're heading in is more and more protected areas and in 50 years, soldiers might begin to look like knights again. I mean hell, they already are pretty well covered, the only parts that are currently completelly unprotected are forearms, hands, legs and face (due to limited breathing and vision). Mandalorians obviously have material that's light enough and protective enough for them to work efficiently even if they're covered from head to toe in it.
Jango was probably the only one to truly keep a low profile switching out of his Mandalorian gear from time to time by his choice (specifically excluding Boba Fett without his armor, because it was not his choice)
They're armour is about as light as aluminium, so the characterisation of heavy is a bit incorrect, if you look at how they handle it and move in it, it's incredibly light and packed with tech and weaponry. Like if you watch how they handle the pure beskar spear it can't be more than 5kg, for reference a solid steel spear of the same weight would be minimum 16kg,
you surrounding yourself with pools because the cant swim wont help because Jetpack go brrrt
Is their armor actually heavy though? They always seem to have some kind of tech and wiring under the bigger pieces. Even grogu's rondel. I think they have repulsars in the bigger plates at least. Plus the smaller plates are actually pretty thin. The bulk comes from the connectors woven into the clothes underneath.
When din gave his armour to cara dune in a big duffel they made it seem like it was pretty light.
Mandalorians are literally nothing but their traditions and culture since the race of mandalorians died out. So if you take those away they’re just skilled fighters. Like mando said at the end of season one- mandalorian isn’t the people it’s a religion.
Now to your comments on the armor
Camouflage- all they need to do is do what the US army does with its vehicle and just paint it to match the environment you’re going to be in.
Utility- as you said mandalorians aren’t soldiers and haven’t been for a very long time. They tend to fight small groups that don’t tend to last very long and there for don’t have to worry about fighting long drawn out battles where they need to worry about getting tired out from the weight.
Weight- for the most part I wouldn’t call what most of them are wearing heavy plate armor. Most seem to be wearing medium armor, where as boba’s armor is almost paper thin. Also as far as I know don’t know how much the metal weights, so it could be a light weight metal- it’s fantasy, and therefore can make up their own rules to things.
Tactics- the tactics that military’s use is based off how protective our army and how effective our weapons are. If your enemy’s don’t have a weapon that can hurt you then you don’t need cover and can just move up to them while returning fire. Also as we saw on navarro in this season when the pirates had a weapon that could hurt them they used cover and as soon as that weapon was neutralized they got out of cover and easily took the town
Plate armor was weak to blunt weapons, a hammer or mace of some kind was often used specifically for armored opponents because of the concussive effect, and it would do more damage to the armor than other weapons as well. Plate armor protected very well from sharp pokey and slicey weapons like swords, spears, axes, etc. But if someone has a nice hammer to hit you on the head with you aren't having a good time. Also, plate armor wasn't that heavy, the main issue was reduced range of motion and your senses being dulled like the visor obscuring your vision, it being harder to hear with the big helmet on, and not being able to feel texture or anything of what you were holding on to if you had full metal gauntlets or whatnot. You can still run and do some acrobatic shit in full armor, it just takes some muscle and coordination.
2:32 What the hell? Tarre Vizla died a Jedi, how do people keep making this same mistake, they said it in Rebels for crying out loud. They said *'after his passing',* his blade was put on display in the Jedi Temple, and then Mandalorians raided the temple and one of them took control of the blade and uniting the clans. There has been no mention of Tarre Vizla uniting the clans.
That groin protector your referencing, I only know one person whose ever worn it and he was a driver, you should've seen him try to run in that thing. It's only rated for shrapnel and at most could stop a 9mm with some hopes and prayers. Definitely not worth the lack of mobility the added "protection" offers.
Of course, the elephant in the room is that Mandalorian armor wasn't developed by Mandalorians. It was designed by Hollywood executives who wanted something that would look cool on screen.
Din Djarin is competent, he just don't have thick plot armor, instead he have thick beskar iron, although it is heavier to wear, this also make situations less ridiculous and much more realistic.
Also, shape of the helmet visor is nothing short of irrevelant, they have sensors in those helmets, wich give them better view of battlefield than someone without any helmet at all.
But now i wonder, do they have padding in this suits? I mean, with all of these advanced materials wich exists in star wars, there surely is some material incredibly good to make padding to armor from it.