This scene is meant to show Alexander’s barbarism from his time. It’s irony because he accused the Uber Morlock of eating humans, but after he showed grace and peace to Alexander, Alexander was the one that came from an archaic time that was a hothead.
@@devonmartinski6596 - Probably could've built a time machine himself, given his cerebral capabilities. The guy had a brain halfway down his back. He just so happened to live in a world where being technically advanced was unnecessary. Going back into times such as then, he would've taken over the world if he wanted to.
From Hartdegen's point of view, it only took a few seconds. BUT consider what it was like from the Morlock's point of view: He hung there for years, possibly decades, looking at a frozen-in-time Guy Pearce as he slowly died of hunger and thirst. He did not deserve such a horrible death.
Okay, this goes to all those who are calling out Alex to be the villain here First of all Alex has become emotionally attached to the Eloi, who took him in and treated him as one of their own, showing him kindness. Alex feels a connection with these people, and he wants to protect them, as the Morlocks don’t care for anything except maintaining the status quo, which is why you don’t see any advancement in those skull entrances. The Morlocks aren’t interested in advancement or rebuilding Human Civilisation, as far as their concerned, things are fine and dandy, just have to keep killing and slaughtering innocent people who’ve done nothing wrong, because the Morlocks consider them food. Alex seeks to break the cycle, that has gone on for 800,000 years. Which of course brings me to that famous line, “Who are you, to question 800,000 years... of Evolution.” Now there are TWO ways of looking at this line. The first is what it looks like most people are doing, and that is, “What gives Alex the right to judge this society because of their survival strategy... if they hadn’t adopted it, Humanity may well have gone completely extinct.” This is fine, if there’s no other choice, if nature was what forced the species to take this path, like say, the retreat of the forests in Africa, which caused our ancestors to come down from the trees and walk on two legs. Our world went through a massive change and we had to adapt in order to survive. HOWEVER, what the Morlocks did was not a result of nature, but man bending the rules to suit his whim. Yes they did it in a natural way over a MASSIVE period of time, but there is nothing natural about the Morlocks. If a single one of the delicate house of cards they have built for themselves is removed, the Morlocks will quickly find themselves facing extinction again. Case in point, the removal of the Uber Morlock, who says it himself, “Without that control, they would exhaust the food supply, in a matter of months,” and without a food supply, the colony will not survive long. There is nothing natural about the Morlocks method of survival, it’s all selective breeding, which is a HUMAN invention. Nature, by contrast, creates an environment, and those who are best equipped to exploit that environment survive to pass their genes on to the next generation. There is no advancement with the Morlocks strategy, they will simply be stuck in a continuous loop, round and round and round. Think about this for a second... during our history, we went from the first flight to space travel (albeit limited) in roughly 100-150 years (give or take) telegraph to telephone in roughly the same amount of time. From thinking the world was flat, to discovering it was round, in just 500 years. The Morlocks achieved NOTHING, no new advancements or breakthroughs that would elevate humanity beyond its Earthly confines, in 800,000 years. And this is where we get to the SECOND way to look at Jeremy’s line, “800,000 years... this has been going on, for 800,000 YEARS!... how many people is that, how many innocent lives have been sacrificed all to satisfy your hunger!” Also, remember, we aren’t talking about animals here, we’re talking about human beings. Sure they might not have any knowledge of the past, or ambition for the future, but they are STILL Human! They still think, they still feel and have emotions, and for 800,000 years, they’ve been hunted and slaughtered by the Morlocks. Now put yourself in Alexander’s shoes, after hearing that line... what would YOUR reaction have been. (Sighs) 😔 okay, I get it, the Uber Morlock has been nothing but polite and fair handed with Alex, but we need to look at the bigger picture as well. This isn’t Alex being a jerk, he’s fighting to protect the people he has come to care about. I notice that many people criticise Alex for rebuffing his friend back in his own time, and I won’t deny that Alex was kind of a jerk, but bear in mind, he HAD just lost the woman he loved, and was desperate to save her, and believed his machine could do that. I’d argue that his journey from his time to where he ends up, is as much a journey of self-discovery as it was a physical journey, as he’s not the same man he was by the end. Please don’t get the wrong idea, I CAN see where you are all coming from, I simply don’t agree, and wanted to get my thoughts down so you could all see why. If you guys don’t agree with what I said, that’s fine, that’s your opinion, but I hope what I’ve said will at least encourage you to look at the Entire picture, and not a small portion of it, thank you and good night😉
You say all this about it being natural but what makes Alexander the interloper doing what’s natural? As the morlock said “what is time travel but your pathetic excuse to control the world around you”
@@thegreyavenger2 I never said his methods are natural, but his motivations are, and also, I was mainly pointing out that there is nothing natural about the Morlocks either, besides their motivations. The Morlocks however took it too far, and are now stuck in an infinite loop, that feeds itself but does not actually advance. I guarantee that if Alex had left this time in peace, and gone forward a million years, NOTHING would have changed. Alexander however decides to break the cycle, destroying the Morlock colony, and giving the Eloi on the surface a chance to grow. And here I’d like to pose a thought I had after writing my initial comment. I’m not spiritual by any means, religion personally gives me a headache, but I know many are, so think on this. What was the one thing the Eloi needed above all else? A teacher, someone who could teach them what they needed to learn and grow. What is Alexander’s job? A college professor. What motivates Alexander to build his time machine and travel to the Eloi’s time? The death of the woman he loves, and no matter how hard he tries, he can’t save her. Theories of time travel aside, this seems remarkably coincidental, considering what the Uber Morlock shows Alex. The life Alexander could have had, had his love never died, which would have meant he’d never invent the time machine, and thus never met the Eloi. Almost like there was a greater power with its guiding hand, steering Alex forward. I don’t know, that’s just me theorising now, but it’s interesting to think about.
@@commandercritic9036 He actually DOES go into the future and sees the mess he created by killing the Uber so your statement that if he went millions of years into the future nothing would have changed is a tad incorrect.
*Alternative Ending:* Alexander doesn't agree with the Uber Morlock, but accepts that he can't save Emma. He returns to his time in 1903, and destroys the machine. He moves on from Emma, finds another woman, and marries her. He becomes a famous author because he uses his time travel experiences to write "fictional" stories that everyone finds imaginative and creative, but still holds onto the perspective that the Uber Morlock was wrong. Then 1914 comes. World War 1 shows the utter brutality of human "evolution", because the technology to destroy progressed so much over the 4 years that the war raged. By 1918, so many lives had been thrown away in the name of some higher "justification". Horrific pictures emerge (because again, technology progressed), victims of gas attacks return home, veterans come back and speak of the horrors they saw in the trenches. Alexander sees all this, frowns... but then shakes his head with an almost sad smile. "Who am I to question evolution?"
It clearly looks like he experienced it in a matter of seconds, likely because of his contact to Alexander and the time machine, keeping him within the field but experiencing two different times at once, resulting in his body decomposing super quickly in a matter of seconds to him.
I think the enlarged cerebrum is more or less focused for telepathically controlling the other Morlock and affecting the Eloi. If he is really smart, he would start developing more reliable food source. Or he expected Alexander took his words serious enough that Morlock would consume all the Eloi in matter of months. By knowing that, Alexander won't try anything funny even if he had it in his mind.
Alexander isn't the villain because the cerebral morlock was saying that he should just accept the fact that they are going to eat people and to go back to his own time. But Alexander didn't want to go back to his time because he connected with the Eloi. So the only way to live in that time was to stop the morlocks and that's what he did. I realize that he gave the watch back and answered his question but the cerebral morlock was still in the wrong.
But he wasn’t. You’re talking about 800,000 years of a lot of things happening. A LOT. The Uber Morlock wasn’t in the wrong because Alexander wasn’t in a position to correct him for something unlawful or “wrong” morally by today’s standards vs. 800,000 years from now. This is how the world evolved here from things we can’t even imagine. So Alexander intruded on their point in history and basically laid waste to a key figure in 802,701.
He had no real legitimate reason to kill the Über-Morlock. Fact is, through their entire discussion, the Über-Morlock was in the right. That isn't Alexander's world, and his notions of human morality do not apply in this particular scenario. What's more, killing the Über-Morlock may have doomed the Eloi.
But wasn't it implied that blowing up the time machine in the cave destroyed all the Morlocks there? Ok, the Über-Morlock says there are more Morlock underground enclaves, but perhaps they were all interconnected and the blast from the time machine did them all in?
@Ben Baxter But, morals do evolve. Lets go back in time. The first tribes of mankind, primative beings, captured the women of other trbies as well as the neanderthals, and bred with them, which partially contributed to neanderthals no longer existing. In order to build rome, the early romans are said to have raided and attacked over settlements, taking their woman, inorder to increase their own population. Both of these groups deemed it just, moral, as it was necessary for the survival and continuation of their people. Today, we live in a comparatively gentle world, and as such we have the luxury of gentler morals, unburdened by the question of survival. But, in the future, where the morlocks reign? they use the woman in the same way the tribes and romans did, to continue the survival of their species.
@@justindavis2711 Why not? The actions in the past, and the actions in the future, point to a different set of morals. Heck, maybe one day, things we do today will be considered immoral.
That's the Uber Morlock's hubris at work. Which to be fair, is justified. Nobody has dared to fight him I'm sure. So that hubris built up over time. To him, he is the ultimate top dog.
3:45 This is the only movie of the three to include this scene from the novel, going to the end of the world. That was one of the most poignant parts of the 1895 story.
@@shurmansemeleer6750 There are. This was the 3rd version of the novel. The other two came out in 1960 and 1978, with the 60s version considered the best (The only one referenced on Simpsons and Big Bang Theory, for example). en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine_(1960_film)
I wish they would have made the uber morlock more evil. He gave alexander his time machine, his watch, and his answer and let him leave in peace. You feel bad for him
Well they had to make it different from the original (and best) version from 1960. The morlocks where pure evil in that film. They had to add more complexity in this version.
I think it was meant as a form of plot twist. In those days we expected heroes to be heroic and villains to be villainous. And hear we are shown that the morlock do not kill this guy, simply because he has nothing to do with the people they do harm, thus he is some random guy, not the actual enemy. We see a side to them that suggest their is more then their first appears. Making one wonder, do they have a cause? do they see what they do as having a reason? Perhaps their is more to this conflict with the Eloi then their seems? I mean this guy clearly sees this guy coming in hear as having nothing to do with the Eloi, and that is why he chooses not to make so much as a attempt to kill him. He is a good hoist, non hostel, decides to let this man he just met go unmolested... And what happens? He is thanked with just randomly being killed. Both the Morlock and the Eloi have treated him the same, you would not expect him to just suddenly choose a side and kill a guy who got no beef with him out of nowhere? I think that is exactly the idea, you would not have expected him to just suddenly feel all murdery. Leaving you to wonder just what his motive was. Was he just blowing off steam because he was frustrated he came all this way just to find out he can't change the past? Did he just want to know if he could change a death in the future if he couldn't change a death in the past and just see this thing that wasn't his own kind as being a test subject? After all he did come from a time period when a slight evolutionary difference in humanity meant they have no more rights then an animal. Or did he grow up on the whole good VS evil chechet and rather then considering perhaps the Morlock have a perspective to their cause he in a little kid mentality is being the hero by killing the bad guy? Or perhaps he did not have a reason he just no longer had a reason to care about anything because he has concluded that life is pointless?
Add to this the fact that the uber morlock warned him that, without his mind control, the morlocks would wipe out the Eloi in a month. Also, what happened to that girl in the cage, huh? The morlocks found here and were like, "hey, there. Want us let you go? K."
I'm sure the Uber Morlock's death was made as a homage to a scene in the original 1960 movie where George watches a dead Morlock rapidly decay into a skeleton as he travels forward in time.
This is the most stupid fight ever. This being give him his time machine, and this being its really smart, he could just destroy it but he had respect for this stranger and this guy suddenly hits him wtf, he could, i dont know, just go to the past and change this future, just save humanity from destroying the moon and this being will never exist, its just pointless
@SABaruj But aren't you forgetting the theme of movie now? "I could come back a thousand times... and see her die a thousand ways", so fighting Morlock while traveling into the future was perhaps the only realistic option?
@@sereneavatar That only applies to Emma’s death because he created the time machine because of her and if she had lived it never could have existed so it created a paradox but he did go to the far future after this fight and saw it and decides he could change the past so in theory he could go back to 2037 and earn them.
Man that scene always bugged me. The morlock was being nice to him. Just told him to go back home. Even gave him his answer and handed him the watch back with not the slightest bit of haggling. No need to screw him in the ass. But then again the professor had a despicable personality all through the film. He was completely indifferent and callous to his good friend who set him up with his girlfriend and was there for him during his tough times. Complete rebuffed the dude and left without so much as a letter of explanation. Ok I’m done
Well he had to kill the morlock because he wasn't going to stop killing others and Alexander felt connected to the time with the Eloi. He didn't fit in 1903 because the stain of his dead girlfriend was just a haunt in that time. I think he may have not let his friend know about his time traveling because his friend would never believe the truth and would be misled to believe something else.
"The morlock was being nice to him" You sir have some really weird logic there. So it doesn't matter that they keep murdering other humans and he wants to put a stop to it... but he was being NICE to him for god's sake you can put your differences aside for this one act of kindness! lmao
He actually did go back in time to warn of the moon explosion, his time ship got sent to the moon along with him , but his time machine interacted with the chemical used to explode mining holes on the moon and caused the explosion that tore it apart. They just did not show that part, because he would of looked stupid.
@@cr4yv3n Well for whatever reason THIS particular time machine only takes into consideration the x,y,z of the Earth and it's permanent position where it powers up . There could be several reasons for this . When you think about it when the time machine is engaged the outside world starts to accelerate to ridiculous speeds relative to the inside and the only way to survive this incredible inertia is if you have ZERO mass . So not only does the time bubble turn you into some kind of time slowed ghost but it also negates your mass so the ground would pull you along earths path even if the only thing you are touching is one atom . Or the macine is actually NOT a time macine and instead controls entropy on an universal scale...
Never read the original book. HG Wells was a socialist. For all we know the time traveler was a "revolutionary" who was "standing up to the capitalist consumers of the working class":.
@@jamallabarge2665 The super morlock doesn't even exist in the book. He just had to fight his way thru the morlocks to get back to his time machine that they had taken
@@jamallabarge2665 Funny, read the novel. The Eloi, the aristocrats, were the gentle and naive ones, while the Morlocks were working class turned into cannibal brutes.
Alex was nearly traveling at 5,938,577 years per second He first stopped at around 8:18 am on FEB 14, 403,823,281 AD After he killed the Morlock Leader, he traveled the remaining 231,604,528 years to 635,427,810 on New Year's Day
To those who are complain about the fight: the possibility to go back in peace doesnt change the fact that the morlocks are ruthless killers and Hartdegen tried to rescue the elois. To go back and simply change the timeline is no option because it is not sure that he would be succesful. To get rid of the morlocks was the only way.
This explains a lot about repeating the same mistakes and parents getting angry! Some people don’t learn from mistakes and learn very hard lessons, particularly as this one gets older!!
Alexander had no real reason to kill Uber Morlock since Uber was being nice enough to allow him to leave and return to his own time. It wasn't Alexander's place to change what humanity had turned into, just like how it's not our place to change what is in the past. What's done is done. Besides, there is another possibility here that Alexander's killing of the Uber Morlock may have altered events 635 million years later when he sees Earth's landscape full of Morlock caves. Uber's existence may have actually been beneficial to the Eloi existence, and as they say, one man can make a huge effect on future happenings.
@@amenbest9641 In theory perhaps. But, he actually does return from 635,427,810 back to 802,701, right? So maybe he can't return to his own past, but he can in that one?
I figured that Alexander doesn't accept the future filled with the Morlocks expanding the land. So that's why he had to kill the Uber-Morlock for this reason.
But it's not as if killing him did any good, and it may have made things worse for the Eloi. Uber Morlock's existence may have been more beneficial to the Eloi in the far future, yet when Alexander arrives 635 million years in the future, the Earth is now infested with the Morlocks. Time travel can be a headache with all of these alternate possibilities.
So nothing changed in 635 Million MORE years (i.e. longer than the time from the Cambrian explosion to present), other than the Morlock order became more entrenched? That is where this film failed.
Let's face it, the main character of this movie is a major asshole. He kills the guy mind-controlling the creatures, which ravage the entire planet without him, and in a deleted scene it turns out he is also the person who blew up the moon.
Nate Z It was a deleted scene, removed from the movie during development. He goes back in time to prevent the moon from exploding, therefore negating the future creatures, etc, but it turns out that he was responsible for the moon exploding, so by going back in time, he merely assured the moon's destruction.
Nate Z If it exists at all in any viewable format, it has never been released to the public. It was leaked some time ago that this was indeed the cause of the moons' destruction. It's unfortunate the sort of things that are dropped from movies and games as a result of funds, or time constraints.
+TheAutobotPower Because they were attacking a sentient species and eating them? Consider following: they've got fish and "800,000 years of evolution", yet they choose to attack the humanoid Eloi instead of using those 800,000 years to produce larger fish to eat? Hell, the Eloi are farming to eat themselves, just start trading services with them: "Hey, we're descended from the same species but we can't sustain ourselves nor leave during the day to farm for ourselves. Would it be possible for us to get food from you and in exchange we'll sort things out for you at the night and protect you from any predators roaming around (which would also give *us* some extra food) as you guys rest up? Meat would be preferable, but we're not picky."
A.D Mitchel If H.G. Wells could have traveled some 120 years into the (his) future you could have told him yourself via Facebook or Twitter. Sadly in his time animal exploitation was viewed as the Wave of the Future. While he predicted both aerial bombardment (barely a year before its inception) and atomic bombs a whole generation ahead if their time when the Zeppelins flew over London barely a century ago their entire inner gas-containing structures were made from cow intestines! One dirigible would have some 15 gas cells each made of several thousand skins. A single W.W. I airship could use as many as 200,000 sheets to keep it airborne. That's the gut of 80,000 animals! The war came close to depleting the entire Central European supply of living cattle for this one purpose. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbeater%27s_skin#Manufacture en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin#Principal_characteristics
Actually some of the online debates between meat-eaters and vegans sound a lot like the startup of a split like the one that led to the Eloi Morlocks speciation.
Indeed, it could likely be done out of spite due to a grudge over what happened in the past. many peaceful noy wary societies become that way because they want to start fresh after a previous warmonger life stile. Often those who seem innocent have a sinful, unforgiving past, that those who have been angered just refuse to let go. Victor becomes victim, and victim becomes victor, and this inspires viewing others as lesser, and thus deserving of ill treatment.
+A.D Mitchel still doesn't matter though the Uber-Morlock didn't deserve to die here, all I see through out this movie is "Alexander is the Villain" of the movie
What I don't understand is, he kills him and travels into the future and sees what happens and decides to change it. Isn't this the same as Emma's death? How can he change it if the future is what motivates him?
Emma's death is the only paradox for Alexander, because he never would've built the machine if that hadn't happened. No other event stops the machine from being built.
well the future technically is based on your actions, he travelled to the future and due to him taking the Uber Morlock with him it caused a Morlock future, but cause he killed the Morlocks he changed the future. The idea of this movie is that you can't change the past but you can change the future
Caesarslegion1 for no reason? It was 800000 years of evolution as he explained earlier. The digestive systems of all organisms do change with evolution. The morlock was not a villain he was doing what they needed to to survive. I would have preferred an ending where he would have convinced him to coexist with the eloi they were both intelligent and I think instead of resorting to nonsense stupid violence like shown in this clip for no reason they could have made the ending better or at least made the uber morlock more evil as if Alexander had to kill him to survive
In the original 1960 version, a Morlock is defeated and his corpse starts to rot, as the time traveler goes further into the future. His skin completely decays and reveals a skeleton. Further through time, the skeleton's head falls off. That must've been pretty creepy for some viewers in 1960, but pretty tame by today's standards.
And that ladies and gentlemen this how you age rapidly..I would have slowed it down just to see the "living skeleton".. One of the best parts in the movie..
The Morlocks don't come off as evil here. They're trying to survive a harsh world with a harsh history. The brutes are little more than animals and the Ubermorlock is stating simple fact: the Eloi are their food source.
He should've just went back to 2030 and warned everyone about the moon colonization apocalypse, instead of trying to save the Eloi people. At least that would've made for a better ending and would've made the remake, not as crappy.
So, the morlock is hanging outside the bubble yet holding onto Alexanders neck. From his perspective how long was he hanging there? Months? Years? Centuries?
I believe thousands of years because he never alter the time machines speed after he killed the morlock until he came to a full stop and you see how the geo-formations was changing in rapid fashion. That means that uber morlock life span was probably in the 100's of thousands of years. Not sure if the writers meant that however.
probably for him it was seconds because he was partially in the time machine bubble, but for his body millions of years passed. If he was feeling like hanging so long, he would immediately let go under 15 minutes because he would know its useless to hang on...
Because he was still within the sphere of the time machines influence, it may have meant that the ageing occurred in line with the speed Alex was witnessing. Kind of like he was half in half out. Meaning he aged but at an accelerated rate.
He couldn't save his girlfriend, but was able to change the fate of the humans? The story states that one can't change the past.. so it seems inevitable regardless of his decision to fix things.. the humans will still be fucked
I am among those who think the Uber Morlock was in the right and Alexander had no business killing him, particularly when the Uber Morlock gave him a chance to leave in peace, and Alexander was the one who arrived in HIS time.
Its an unfortunate future, but all things considered, there was no need for him to kill the warlock. He was being civil, he could have easily trapped and killed him, instead he offers him to go back in his time machine. And now with the warlocks dead, the grunts will go rampant and kill even more people.
@@rthinds We already know what the world will be like in the year 635,427,810 AD. A larger, hotter Sun, evaporating oceans, thick clouds and a Venus like hellish surface! Our time traveller would quickly become very uncomfortable indeed.
@@evertonporter7887 True, but we don't know that for sure. That's what we know based on our knowledge NOW. Perhaps sometime in the future, mankind will develop the technology to constrain the growing red-giant sun. Assuming mankind in the year 635,427,810 AD will be limited by the knowledge in 2022 AD is pretty pessimistic, don't you think?
This fight was really pointless. He could just travel back to 2037 and change the future. It's even more pointless, that he used the time machine to destroy just one colony. He could get the woman into his machine, travel back to 2037 and could save her and the humanity...
Alexander is basically the original social justice warrior: full of himself, with a sense of moral superiority and driven by emotion rather than reason
Thought there was supposed to be some twists where the Uber-morlock is actually Alexander in a distant future, but I guess alternative universe wasn't thought up back then.
@@wargames2195 alternatively, there’s a website called bigfinish that makes audiobooks, mostly famous for its Doctor who audiobooks. They did a version that stays more truthful to the book. It’s fun to listen to and very creepy as well, very entertaining
Tells him he can't change the past, sees the Morlockapocalypse in the future, goes back in the past and changes it... seriously movie? Either the movie screwed up, or he fails by saving humanity. Maybe he had to see the future to go back and change as part of the causalitieloop, but then he could also have saved his wife, because that event, would also be part of a causalitieloop. But then the movie would also have screwed up...
D.M.S. I think you could reason it out by saying he couldn't change his particular history of saving his wife because the death of his wife was the very reason for his mad desire to change his past and led to his breakthrough in creating a time machine. Take that away and it creates a paradox. But outside of that he might have a lot of leeway. time travel is still in the theoretical area and writers come up with a myriad amount of possibilities, some have you going into alternate dimensions, other say you can delete Yourself from existence..who knows.
D.M.S. I thought the movie made it clear that you could change the past(to a certain degree), he went back and saved her from the mugger but a bit later she gets run over by the carriage(so certain events have been changed, like the mugger who probably didn't end up shooting anyone, so didn't get caught and go prison and had a full life) hinting that maybe certain focal points have to occur, the reason for the creation of the time machine being the death of Guys wife, so he can change aspects of the past. The uber-morlock was psionic but his idea of time travels limitations may have been informed by gleaning ideas off Pearce himself and hence perhaps faulty....of course the real reason is probably the writers didn't think about the paradoxes because they just didn't think of it..also not saying my explanation is correct, just a thought, time travel in fiction gets so convoluted that I have now accepted just to go with the movies logic.
The pyramids will be long gone, eroded away into dust and buried under layers of geologic strata, or crushed and melted by subduction into the earth's crust due to continental drift. There will be nothing left of any of our buildings and monuments anywhere, no trace that we ever existed. BUT...that is not something you or I will have to worry about, as this is in the far distant future. Indeed, we ought not to worry about these things, today's troubles are enough. There is no need to be scared though. Just live your life the way God intends you to live today. God offers you eternal salvation through Jesus Christ.
Aside from the fight being completely pointless, my other issue with this scene is that 700 million years into the future, the Morlock's subterranean skull entrances are still the same, implying the morlocks haven't evolved...? There is no way this would happen. In 200 million years, Pangaea broke into each continent we know today, the dinosaurs disappeared and humans came to be, so to say nothing but the landscape changed in such a long amount of time, is definitely rubbing salt in the wound.
Exactly. Plus, the fact that the Morlocks would have probably been wiped out by the impact of large asteroid. The odds of such a cataclysm happening in a time frame of 600 million years are very, very high- certainly because the Morlocks wouldn't have the technological ability to prevent it. So, Earth in 600 million years could very well look like an apocalyptic wasteland, but it would probably lack any presence of humanoid life. This is the case in H.G. Well's original novel - in the very distant future, the protagonist could only see giant lobster like creatures, if i remember it correctly.
Interesting. Why did he simply let him go? As a scientist he may have unknowingly contributed to something which may have triggered the downfall of humanity and the resulting creation of the morloks. Maybe the morlok knew this and had no choice other than to send him back and prevent a paradox.
I agree with some people on this video, the uber morlock was completely friendly with Alexander. The uber morlock gave Alexander his answer to why he couldn't just go back and save his girlfriend, even gave him (Alexander) his time machine and his watch back to him. And, how does Alexander repay the uber morlock for all 3? By starting a fight and killing him.
A slim teacher that fights and kills a super humanoid with super strength, super intelligence, telepathic and telekinetic powers, and probably fighting skills. Where and when Alexander has learned to fight? Hahahahah Nonsense.
He used his cunning and wit to defeat the uber morlock. Just because someone is a professor at a university doesn't mean they don't know a thing or two how to fight. In those days a lot of men from the gentry class knew how to box, mostly in England though
Max Rockatansky At 1:57 he should have been defeated. He was flung into the air and hit his head on a metal pipe. His skull would have been easily fractured.
Which Morlock Sphinx part scared the shit out of you or anyone as a kid? Is it this scene like at 3:51-4:07? or was it “the dream” scene? I mean the one where The Morlock Sphinx’s head slowly moves like a animatronic for a couple of seconds while the growling grows louder and louder... until the Morlock Sphinx eats Alexander in a flash. Or was it both? You choose what you or somebody think that whatever Morlock Sphinx scenes scared you or anyone really bad as a kid.
Life on earth can be possible for at least the next 500 million years, but scientists think that in 1 billion years, earth will become too hot for life.
I feel like this scene wasn't needed. Alex had his answer that he went 800,000 years into the future to get, only to end up staying in the future and completely changing the future timeline forever, just from what he did right here. I feel like he could have used that info that the uber morlock gave him to save emma and even save the morlocks from becoming morlocks in the first place, from simply just warning the people in an earlier time period that we were going to mess up everything with the moon and eventually mold ourselves into dust.
It's called a Temporal Paradox, if Alex had saved Emma he would not go on to make the time machine in the first place and thus couldn't go back to save her, the same applies to the morlocks and the moons destruction, because if he had changed the past he couldn't go into the future to make the time machine to go back and so on, this is why the scene was needed, to explain to the audience that his actions could save people just not ones he wanted!
I think that was the point: Alexander of this timeline could *never* save Emma. The future with him and Emma did exist, but there was no way he could ever get to it because he built the machine after her death. That was closed. What he could do was to work with the world he did have, and use his machine to help the Eoli and humanity start over. You could see the change in his face when he realized "the past is locked out, what can I do in the NOW". Turns out he could do a lot from here, and could avoid that future he saw with nothing but Morlock castles. So, he did. And there you have it. Finally he took charge of his destiny, accepted the past, and changed the future. Kind of a cool story.
How? He could never get into that timeline. The only way to be there would be to have been in a universe where she didn't die for some reason. Those Alexanders got to have lives, kids, and all that. But he, knowing what he knew and being through the situations he had been in could never go to those lives. In a way it helps me to understand my past: Certain sections are locked out, but I can take some comfort in knowing some version of myself is living those items that I would otherwise regret. The fact that I can't enjoy them personally does not detract from the fact that another different me can.
The problem I have with this is he went back and not save Emma, the future would have been unwritten. The future was what it was because it shifted when he left, thus causing a different reality. He has no obligation to that future in the 800k year. The future would have drastically changed if he released his time machine to the world, which would have ushered a new era of world coexistence, thus changing the fact there are these beasts that feed in people in the future.
@@rockguy8362 Right? If, if I was madly in love with this bih, I would have spent years plotting. Though I secretly love this movie as a guilty pleasure, it was lazy writing where he felt obligated to go to the future to "find out why he can't change the past." If anything you would have gone back and reviewed, create your own paradox so to speak where you slip someone a note. In reality of the situation, he knew the burglar would show up eventually if he didn't interfere. What he should have done is secretly waited for the burlaglar to hide in the bushes and pistol whip his ass silently and let it continue from that point. Although, that would also create a new paradox where the time machine would then be uninvented because he would be dealing with his new wife instead of his machine - therefore have no stupid movie LOL!! This would have made a good series, more focused on flash backs and forwards. Like a what if paradox series. However, with paradoxes in mind...I know, I'm nerding out here...when got his bih to the 2nd location to be killed, this right here would have created a new paradox where the time machine would probably not exist again. This time, the original dude would be confused as to where did his bih go, only to find out she was killed in a completely different area. I could go on..
This CGI did not age well. Plus it's such a blatant copy of an event from the first film. The Morlock asks him who is he to go against 800,000 years of evolution. The Morlock said they bred themselves into these different casts, so no evolution was involved. This film strayed even farther from the original story, in that, while the the inventor was traveling through time, humanity achieved a golden age, where they ended disease and hunger and all other of Mankind's challenges, and even permanently changed the weather so the temperatures were always perfect. But then, with no challenges left to them, humans also lost the need to read, to think, to plan, to fend for themselves, and even their physical size, as they evolved into the diminutive, childlike Eloi. Meanwhile those that became the Morlocks evolved underground into pale light sensitive carnivores, and the only animal food left on the Earth was the Eloi. Even though there's a lot missing to that original story, I think it's still superior to what we got in this film.
Years in the movie: 1904 AD - starting year 1899 AD - the year he went back to save his girl 2030 AD - near future, before mankind detonated 20 megaton nuke inside the moon 2037 AD - after a nuke went off, moon chunks are falling onto earth 802701 AD - far far future, mankind evolved into two different species 635427810 AD - very very very far future, Earth is a wasteland ruled by Morlocks
This fight is so ******* dumb the Morlock guy gave him an answer as to why he couldn’t change the past to save his fiancé Emma because if he saves Emma the time machine won’t exist for Alexander Hartdegan to go back in time and save her which creates a paradox. If I was Alexander Hartdegan I would got the watch from him and also bring the woman with as well and head my ass back to my time period. Most ridiculous ass fight for this movie and the rating for this movie is -10/10
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"We all have our time machines, don't we? Those that carry us back are memories, and those that carry us forward are dreams."
Perfect. Just perfect.
Yeah love that sentence!
Irons nailed the delivery
This scene is meant to show Alexander’s barbarism from his time. It’s irony because he accused the Uber Morlock of eating humans, but after he showed grace and peace to Alexander, Alexander was the one that came from an archaic time that was a hothead.
"Eh, I could just go home in peace, but I am feeling a bit murdery today."
The Dishonored Coward ikr
Imagine if he took the Uber murlock back to 1899 and just dumped him there. I wonder what would've happened to him.
I guess he wanted to change the idk
@@devonmartinski6596 - Probably could've built a time machine himself, given his cerebral capabilities.
The guy had a brain halfway down his back. He just so happened to live in a world where being technically advanced was unnecessary.
Going back into times such as then, he would've taken over the world if he wanted to.
From Hartdegen's point of view, it only took a few seconds. BUT consider what it was like from the Morlock's point of view: He hung there for years, possibly decades, looking at a frozen-in-time Guy Pearce as he slowly died of hunger and thirst. He did not deserve such a horrible death.
Yes, yes he did. Very much so he did.
@@randymillhouse791 No, he did not. He was not bad.
@@Stoirelius He lost his sense of humanity. He deserved to die just as much as Hitler deserved it.
@@StoireliusAgreed
Okay, this goes to all those who are calling out Alex to be the villain here
First of all Alex has become emotionally attached to the Eloi, who took him in and treated him as one of their own, showing him kindness. Alex feels a connection with these people, and he wants to protect them, as the Morlocks don’t care for anything except maintaining the status quo, which is why you don’t see any advancement in those skull entrances. The Morlocks aren’t interested in advancement or rebuilding Human Civilisation, as far as their concerned, things are fine and dandy, just have to keep killing and slaughtering innocent people who’ve done nothing wrong, because the Morlocks consider them food.
Alex seeks to break the cycle, that has gone on for 800,000 years. Which of course brings me to that famous line, “Who are you, to question 800,000 years... of Evolution.”
Now there are TWO ways of looking at this line. The first is what it looks like most people are doing, and that is, “What gives Alex the right to judge this society because of their survival strategy... if they hadn’t adopted it, Humanity may well have gone completely extinct.” This is fine, if there’s no other choice, if nature was what forced the species to take this path, like say, the retreat of the forests in Africa, which caused our ancestors to come down from the trees and walk on two legs. Our world went through a massive change and we had to adapt in order to survive. HOWEVER, what the Morlocks did was not a result of nature, but man bending the rules to suit his whim. Yes they did it in a natural way over a MASSIVE period of time, but there is nothing natural about the Morlocks. If a single one of the delicate house of cards they have built for themselves is removed, the Morlocks will quickly find themselves facing extinction again. Case in point, the removal of the Uber Morlock, who says it himself, “Without that control, they would exhaust the food supply, in a matter of months,” and without a food supply, the colony will not survive long. There is nothing natural about the Morlocks method of survival, it’s all selective breeding, which is a HUMAN invention.
Nature, by contrast, creates an environment, and those who are best equipped to exploit that environment survive to pass their genes on to the next generation. There is no advancement with the Morlocks strategy, they will simply be stuck in a continuous loop, round and round and round. Think about this for a second... during our history, we went from the first flight to space travel (albeit limited) in roughly 100-150 years (give or take) telegraph to telephone in roughly the same amount of time. From thinking the world was flat, to discovering it was round, in just 500 years. The Morlocks achieved NOTHING, no new advancements or breakthroughs that would elevate humanity beyond its Earthly confines, in 800,000 years.
And this is where we get to the SECOND way to look at Jeremy’s line, “800,000 years... this has been going on, for 800,000 YEARS!... how many people is that, how many innocent lives have been sacrificed all to satisfy your hunger!” Also, remember, we aren’t talking about animals here, we’re talking about human beings. Sure they might not have any knowledge of the past, or ambition for the future, but they are STILL Human! They still think, they still feel and have emotions, and for 800,000 years, they’ve been hunted and slaughtered by the Morlocks. Now put yourself in Alexander’s shoes, after hearing that line... what would YOUR reaction have been.
(Sighs) 😔 okay, I get it, the Uber Morlock has been nothing but polite and fair handed with Alex, but we need to look at the bigger picture as well. This isn’t Alex being a jerk, he’s fighting to protect the people he has come to care about. I notice that many people criticise Alex for rebuffing his friend back in his own time, and I won’t deny that Alex was kind of a jerk, but bear in mind, he HAD just lost the woman he loved, and was desperate to save her, and believed his machine could do that. I’d argue that his journey from his time to where he ends up, is as much a journey of self-discovery as it was a physical journey, as he’s not the same man he was by the end.
Please don’t get the wrong idea, I CAN see where you are all coming from, I simply don’t agree, and wanted to get my thoughts down so you could all see why. If you guys don’t agree with what I said, that’s fine, that’s your opinion, but I hope what I’ve said will at least encourage you to look at the Entire picture, and not a small portion of it, thank you and good night😉
They know why he did it they are just being jerks
You say all this about it being natural but what makes Alexander the interloper doing what’s natural? As the morlock said “what is time travel but your pathetic excuse to control the world around you”
@@thegreyavenger2 I never said his methods are natural, but his motivations are, and also, I was mainly pointing out that there is nothing natural about the Morlocks either, besides their motivations. The Morlocks however took it too far, and are now stuck in an infinite loop, that feeds itself but does not actually advance. I guarantee that if Alex had left this time in peace, and gone forward a million years, NOTHING would have changed.
Alexander however decides to break the cycle, destroying the Morlock colony, and giving the Eloi on the surface a chance to grow. And here I’d like to pose a thought I had after writing my initial comment. I’m not spiritual by any means, religion personally gives me a headache, but I know many are, so think on this. What was the one thing the Eloi needed above all else?
A teacher, someone who could teach them what they needed to learn and grow.
What is Alexander’s job?
A college professor.
What motivates Alexander to build his time machine and travel to the Eloi’s time?
The death of the woman he loves, and no matter how hard he tries, he can’t save her.
Theories of time travel aside, this seems remarkably coincidental, considering what the Uber Morlock shows Alex. The life Alexander could have had, had his love never died, which would have meant he’d never invent the time machine, and thus never met the Eloi. Almost like there was a greater power with its guiding hand, steering Alex forward. I don’t know, that’s just me theorising now, but it’s interesting to think about.
@@commandercritic9036 He actually DOES go into the future and sees the mess he created by killing the Uber so your statement that if he went millions of years into the future nothing would have changed is a tad incorrect.
*Alternative Ending:*
Alexander doesn't agree with the Uber Morlock, but accepts that he can't save Emma. He returns to his time in 1903, and destroys the machine. He moves on from Emma, finds another woman, and marries her. He becomes a famous author because he uses his time travel experiences to write "fictional" stories that everyone finds imaginative and creative, but still holds onto the perspective that the Uber Morlock was wrong.
Then 1914 comes.
World War 1 shows the utter brutality of human "evolution", because the technology to destroy progressed so much over the 4 years that the war raged. By 1918, so many lives had been thrown away in the name of some higher "justification". Horrific pictures emerge (because again, technology progressed), victims of gas attacks return home, veterans come back and speak of the horrors they saw in the trenches.
Alexander sees all this, frowns... but then shakes his head with an almost sad smile.
"Who am I to question evolution?"
Imagine being in that blue guys perspective hanging on him for thousands of years lol
He propably dies in few days due to hungget and thirst.
Don't know why he didn't just let go.
@@Jen-Yueh_Hu the signals from his brain to the fingers never get there in time from his perspective. But in reality his arm would be severed
he was probably thinking "ive been choking this guy for thousands of years why wont he die?!?!?!"
It clearly looks like he experienced it in a matter of seconds, likely because of his contact to Alexander and the time machine, keeping him within the field but experiencing two different times at once, resulting in his body decomposing super quickly in a matter of seconds to him.
Bro has a brain halfway down his back, is arguably more intelligent than any human, and was still outsmarted by a dude from 1899
I think the enlarged cerebrum is more or less focused for telepathically controlling the other Morlock and affecting the Eloi.
If he is really smart, he would start developing more reliable food source.
Or he expected Alexander took his words serious enough that Morlock would consume all the Eloi in matter of months. By knowing that, Alexander won't try anything funny even if he had it in his mind.
Brain size has nothing to do with intelligence.
Also Alexander was from 1903.
Longest fight in the history of the universe...spanning hundreds of thousands of years, maybe even millions.
Lol. Yeah, it was millions, since Alexander stopped at a year millions of years later.
He arrived in Mordor.
Alexander isn't the villain because the cerebral morlock was saying that he should just accept the fact that they are going to eat people and to go back to his own time. But Alexander didn't want to go back to his time because he connected with the Eloi. So the only way to live in that time was to stop the morlocks and that's what he did. I realize that he gave the watch back and answered his question but the cerebral morlock was still in the wrong.
But he wasn’t.
You’re talking about 800,000 years of a lot of things happening. A LOT. The Uber Morlock wasn’t in the wrong because Alexander wasn’t in a position to correct him for something unlawful or “wrong” morally by today’s standards vs. 800,000 years from now.
This is how the world evolved here from things we can’t even imagine. So Alexander intruded on their point in history and basically laid waste to a key figure in 802,701.
0:59
"We owe our time machines, dont we? Those that take us back are memories. And those that carry us foward... are dreams."
He had no real legitimate reason to kill the Über-Morlock. Fact is, through their entire discussion, the Über-Morlock was in the right. That isn't Alexander's world, and his notions of human morality do not apply in this particular scenario. What's more, killing the Über-Morlock may have doomed the Eloi.
But wasn't it implied that blowing up the time machine in the cave destroyed all the Morlocks there? Ok, the Über-Morlock says there are more Morlock underground enclaves, but perhaps they were all interconnected and the blast from the time machine did them all in?
@Ben Baxter here's your cookie for virtue signaling, even though you missed the point you at least tried
@Ben Baxter But, morals do evolve. Lets go back in time. The first tribes of mankind, primative beings, captured the women of other trbies as well as the neanderthals, and bred with them, which partially contributed to neanderthals no longer existing.
In order to build rome, the early romans are said to have raided and attacked over settlements, taking their woman, inorder to increase their own population. Both of these groups deemed it just, moral, as it was necessary for the survival and continuation of their people.
Today, we live in a comparatively gentle world, and as such we have the luxury of gentler morals, unburdened by the question of survival. But, in the future, where the morlocks reign? they use the woman in the same way the tribes and romans did, to continue the survival of their species.
@@warden9757 claiming moral subjectivity based on the actions of others is not an argument
@@justindavis2711 Why not? The actions in the past, and the actions in the future, point to a different set of morals. Heck, maybe one day, things we do today will be considered immoral.
For a being that can read minds, he sure failed to pick up on dat murderous intent
Maybe that mind reading doesn't extend reading his fellow species.
Admitedly I doubt my own comment though.
That's the Uber Morlock's hubris at work.
Which to be fair, is justified. Nobody has dared to fight him I'm sure. So that hubris built up over time.
To him, he is the ultimate top dog.
@@robertpatter5509 I like to think that the uber morlock didnt see it coming because its one of the first times that Alexander has been impulsive.
He tells Alex earlier in the movie that he can control more than just the Morlocks. It's also presumably how he pulls Alex in to choke him.@@Leto85
He can read minds, but that doesn’t mean he is doing it all the time.
3:45 This is the only movie of the three to include this scene from the novel, going to the end of the world. That was one of the most poignant parts of the 1895 story.
are there more movies?
@@shurmansemeleer6750 There are. This was the 3rd version of the novel. The other two came out in 1960 and 1978, with the 60s version considered the best (The only one referenced on Simpsons and Big Bang Theory, for example).
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine_(1960_film)
@@SpreadingtheMuse Thanks!!!
I read the book a long time ago. I remember at the end something about a giant crab attacking him in the far future before going back to his time.
@@117rebel Yes. I remember that too.
When Alexander sorts his hair after killing the Uber-Morlock, I can't help but imagine him saying "Jeez, what a day!"
I wish they would have made the uber morlock more evil. He gave alexander his time machine, his watch, and his answer and let him leave in peace. You feel bad for him
C H You know the first time i watched this movie i thought he was Emma's ghost and wanted revenge.
Well they had to make it different from the original (and best) version from 1960. The morlocks where pure evil in that film. They had to add more complexity in this version.
Yeah, at least the Uber Morlock did honoured his words. I feel bad for him too.
I think it was meant as a form of plot twist. In those days we expected heroes to be heroic and villains to be villainous. And hear we are shown that the morlock do not kill this guy, simply because he has nothing to do with the people they do harm, thus he is some random guy, not the actual enemy. We see a side to them that suggest their is more then their first appears. Making one wonder, do they have a cause? do they see what they do as having a reason? Perhaps their is more to this conflict with the Eloi then their seems? I mean this guy clearly sees this guy coming in hear as having nothing to do with the Eloi, and that is why he chooses not to make so much as a attempt to kill him. He is a good hoist, non hostel, decides to let this man he just met go unmolested... And what happens?
He is thanked with just randomly being killed. Both the Morlock and the Eloi have treated him the same, you would not expect him to just suddenly choose a side and kill a guy who got no beef with him out of nowhere? I think that is exactly the idea, you would not have expected him to just suddenly feel all murdery. Leaving you to wonder just what his motive was. Was he just blowing off steam because he was frustrated he came all this way just to find out he can't change the past? Did he just want to know if he could change a death in the future if he couldn't change a death in the past and just see this thing that wasn't his own kind as being a test subject? After all he did come from a time period when a slight evolutionary difference in humanity meant they have no more rights then an animal. Or did he grow up on the whole good VS evil chechet and rather then considering perhaps the Morlock have a perspective to their cause he in a little kid mentality is being the hero by killing the bad guy? Or perhaps he did not have a reason he just no longer had a reason to care about anything because he has concluded that life is pointless?
Add to this the fact that the uber morlock warned him that, without his mind control, the morlocks would wipe out the Eloi in a month. Also, what happened to that girl in the cage, huh? The morlocks found here and were like, "hey, there. Want us let you go? K."
who is watching this film in the year 802701
and the year 635427810
@@Lord_Skeptic more specifically the year: Six hundred and thirty five million,four hundred and twenty seven thousand,eight hundred and ten
Same thing. You did it in words. I did it in numbers.
I do not say the and
Or the thousand when it comes to years
Fight ruined it. No reason to kill the Morlock. Probably could've asked him to let the women come with him back to his time and he would have let him.
Yawg moth
So what you're saying is: what if? 😉
Let the woman return to the 20th century. And left all his people in the 800th century
@@DanielsArtStudioGamesAnimation 8028th century.
He was pissed off that he tried to steal his watch
@Jasson Reyes Not exactly tyranny as in the book the eloi are too dumb to survive without help, they need each other to survive.
Alexander stopped in the year 635million427thousand810 and not a McDonalds anywhere to be seen?
A dual through time
I'm sure the Uber Morlock's death was made as a homage to a scene in the original 1960 movie where George watches a dead Morlock rapidly decay into a skeleton as he travels forward in time.
This is the most stupid fight ever. This being give him his time machine, and this being its really smart, he could just destroy it but he had respect for this stranger and this guy suddenly hits him wtf, he could, i dont know, just go to the past and change this future, just save humanity from destroying the moon and this being will never exist, its just pointless
Luxdarls ! I’m sure with his time machine they will believe him.
@Luxdarls ! Well, Hawking didn't had a functional time machine to back his words, so...
@SABaruj But aren't you forgetting the theme of movie now? "I could come back a thousand times... and see her die a thousand ways", so fighting Morlock while traveling into the future was perhaps the only realistic option?
He can't save humanity because of the paradox
@@sereneavatar That only applies to Emma’s death because he created the time machine because of her and if she had lived it never could have existed so it created a paradox but he did go to the far future after this fight and saw it and decides he could change the past so in theory he could go back to 2037 and earn them.
Man that scene always bugged me. The morlock was being nice to him. Just told him to go back home. Even gave him his answer and handed him the watch back with not the slightest bit of haggling. No need to screw him in the ass. But then again the professor had a despicable personality all through the film. He was completely indifferent and callous to his good friend who set him up with his girlfriend and was there for him during his tough times. Complete rebuffed the dude and left without so much as a letter of explanation. Ok I’m done
Agree
Well he had to kill the morlock because he wasn't going to stop killing others and Alexander felt connected to the time with the Eloi. He didn't fit in 1903 because the stain of his dead girlfriend was just a haunt in that time. I think he may have not let his friend know about his time traveling because his friend would never believe the truth and would be misled to believe something else.
True david, the uber morlock was, like you said, completely friendly to Alexander up to the point where Alexander started the fight.
"The morlock was being nice to him" You sir have some really weird logic there. So it doesn't matter that they keep murdering other humans and he wants to put a stop to it... but he was being NICE to him for god's sake you can put your differences aside for this one act of kindness! lmao
hes not callous hes a genious and due to that...socially awkward
He actually did go back in time to warn of the moon explosion, his time ship got sent to the moon along with him , but his time machine interacted with the chemical used to explode mining holes on the moon and caused the explosion that tore it apart. They just did not show that part, because he would of looked stupid.
Daelon Prime like a deleted scene
How the hell would he end up on the moon ???
You just made that up.
@@alokinzna think about it.
We are in on an X, Y, Z and T axis.
As the earth, solar system and Milky way move you stay in the same spot.
@@cr4yv3n Well for whatever reason THIS particular time machine only takes into consideration the x,y,z of the Earth and it's permanent position where it powers up .
There could be several reasons for this .
When you think about it when the time machine is engaged the outside world starts to accelerate to ridiculous speeds relative to the inside and the only way to survive this incredible inertia is if you have ZERO mass .
So not only does the time bubble turn you into some kind of time slowed ghost but it also negates your mass so the ground would pull you along earths path even if the only thing you are touching is one atom .
Or the macine is actually NOT a time macine and instead controls entropy on an universal scale...
That was nasty.
Despicable even.
Why not let the Morlock keep the watch?
Just a ruse to kill him.
Destroyed and otherwise worthy plotline.
Never read the original book.
HG Wells was a socialist. For all we know the time traveler was a "revolutionary" who was "standing up to the capitalist consumers of the working class":.
@@jamallabarge2665 The super morlock doesn't even exist in the book. He just had to fight his way thru the morlocks to get back to his time machine that they had taken
@@jamallabarge2665 Funny, read the novel. The Eloi, the aristocrats, were the gentle and naive ones, while the Morlocks were working class turned into cannibal brutes.
Alexander SHOULD have just gone back to his time after what the uber morlock said to him!
should have asked the Uber-Morlock to take the caged women with him back to his time because more than likely the Morlock would have let him
Alex was nearly traveling at 5,938,577 years per second
He first stopped at around 8:18 am on FEB 14, 403,823,281 AD
After he killed the Morlock Leader, he traveled the remaining 231,604,528 years to 635,427,810 on New Year's Day
@George Douglas McFly damn dude just a movie don’t get so butthurt lil baby 😂
Where did you get the 403823281 from.
The year he stopped in was 802701.
More like 5036707 years per second. It took him 2 minutes 6 seconds to go from 802701 to 635427810.
That is the average speed
@@Lord_SkepticThe 802,701 was before he met the Morlock leader, the 635,427,810 was after, when he defeated the leader.
To those who are complain about the fight: the possibility to go back in peace doesnt change the fact that the morlocks are ruthless killers and Hartdegen tried to rescue the elois. To go back and simply change the timeline is no option because it is not sure that he would be succesful. To get rid of the morlocks was the only way.
This explains a lot about repeating the same mistakes and parents getting angry! Some people don’t learn from mistakes and learn very hard lessons, particularly as this one gets older!!
Alexander had no real reason to kill Uber Morlock since Uber was being nice enough to allow him to leave and return to his own time. It wasn't Alexander's place to change what humanity had turned into, just like how it's not our place to change what is in the past. What's done is done. Besides, there is another possibility here that Alexander's killing of the Uber Morlock may have altered events 635 million years later when he sees Earth's landscape full of Morlock caves. Uber's existence may have actually been beneficial to the Eloi existence, and as they say, one man can make a huge effect on future happenings.
He can't return to the past
@@amenbest9641 In theory perhaps. But, he actually does return from 635,427,810 back to 802,701, right? So maybe he can't return to his own past, but he can in that one?
Getting laid is a good enough reason
@@amenbest9641yeah he can lmao he returns to the past to try to save Emma several times
That moment when you were looking for the good one.
🏴 🇬🇧 *Guy Pearce* - 5 Oct. 1967 - age: *34*
_Dr. Alexander Hartdegen_
5' 9" (1.75 m)
🇮🇪 🇬🇧 *Samantha Mumba* - 18 Jan. 1983 - age: *19*
_Mara_
5' 4" (1.63 m)
_and_
🏴 🇬🇧 *Jeremy Irons* - 28 Sept. 1948 - age: *53*
_The Über Morlock_
6' 2" (1.88 m)
I figured that Alexander doesn't accept the future filled with the Morlocks expanding the land. So that's why he had to kill the Uber-Morlock for this reason.
But it's not as if killing him did any good, and it may have made things worse for the Eloi. Uber Morlock's existence may have been more beneficial to the Eloi in the far future, yet when Alexander arrives 635 million years in the future, the Earth is now infested with the Morlocks. Time travel can be a headache with all of these alternate possibilities.
There was a deleted scene that showed an entirely different future, one where the Eloi develop a thriving idyllic civilisation.
Yeah it was in the trailer the shot appears in the movie but it's the apocalypse future instead
They should have give him a guitar n let him play the blues like johnny winter
So nothing changed in 635 Million MORE years (i.e. longer than the time from the Cambrian explosion to present), other than the Morlock order became more entrenched? That is where this film failed.
At this point he likely wouldn't be able to breath.Its most unlikely the oxygen levels would be similar to today.
0:10 My mom when its bed time and i want stay up but she says no .
Uber.Morlock, cause of death: Natural - high age.
More like thirst and hunger.
Yep
No morlocks were harmed during the making of this film
'What if ?'.
Reply - 'WHAT THE FUCK ????'.
Jeremy was such a nice Morlock.
Let's face it, the main character of this movie is a major asshole. He kills the guy mind-controlling the creatures, which ravage the entire planet without him, and in a deleted scene it turns out he is also the person who blew up the moon.
Nate Z
It was a deleted scene, removed from the movie during development. He goes back in time to prevent the moon from exploding, therefore negating the future creatures, etc, but it turns out that he was responsible for the moon exploding, so by going back in time, he merely assured the moon's destruction.
Nate Z
If it exists at all in any viewable format, it has never been released to the public. It was leaked some time ago that this was indeed the cause of the moons' destruction. It's unfortunate the sort of things that are dropped from movies and games as a result of funds, or time constraints.
At this point of the movie the Über-Morlock didnt deserve to die or even just being hit. He was just doing what he must for his kind.
+TheAutobotPower Because they were attacking a sentient species and eating them? Consider following: they've got fish and "800,000 years of evolution", yet they choose to attack the humanoid Eloi instead of using those 800,000 years to produce larger fish to eat? Hell, the Eloi are farming to eat themselves, just start trading services with them:
"Hey, we're descended from the same species but we can't sustain ourselves nor leave during the day to farm for ourselves. Would it be possible for us to get food from you and in exchange we'll sort things out for you at the night and protect you from any predators roaming around (which would also give *us* some extra food) as you guys rest up? Meat would be preferable, but we're not picky."
A.D Mitchel If H.G. Wells could have traveled some 120 years into the (his) future you could have told him yourself via Facebook or Twitter. Sadly in his time animal exploitation was viewed as the Wave of the Future. While he predicted both aerial bombardment (barely a year before its inception) and atomic bombs a whole generation ahead if their time when the Zeppelins flew over London barely a century ago their entire inner gas-containing structures were made from cow intestines! One dirigible would have some 15 gas cells each made of several thousand skins. A single W.W. I airship could use as many as 200,000 sheets to keep it airborne. That's the gut of 80,000 animals! The war came close to depleting the entire Central European supply of living cattle for this one purpose. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbeater%27s_skin#Manufacture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin#Principal_characteristics
Actually some of the online debates between meat-eaters and vegans sound a lot like the startup of a split like the one that led to the Eloi Morlocks speciation.
Indeed, it could likely be done out of spite due to a grudge over what happened in the past. many peaceful noy wary societies become that way because they want to start fresh after a previous warmonger life stile. Often those who seem innocent have a sinful, unforgiving past, that those who have been angered just refuse to let go. Victor becomes victim, and victim becomes victor, and this inspires viewing others as lesser, and thus deserving of ill treatment.
+A.D Mitchel still doesn't matter though the Uber-Morlock didn't deserve to die here, all I see through out this movie is "Alexander is the Villain" of the movie
What I don't understand is, he kills him and travels into the future and sees what happens and decides to change it. Isn't this the same as Emma's death? How can he change it if the future is what motivates him?
@Jack Archer What if he goes to live with them ether way, if he says it fucked up or good.
Emma's death is the only paradox for Alexander, because he never would've built the machine if that hadn't happened. No other event stops the machine from being built.
@@dmacbass But it stops from being used. It's not just about building the time machine.
well the future technically is based on your actions, he travelled to the future and due to him taking the Uber Morlock with him it caused a Morlock future, but cause he killed the Morlocks he changed the future.
The idea of this movie is that you can't change the past but you can change the future
@@SirToaster9330 But the future is already the past for him, because he sees it and then returns to the past of that future.
In my opinion Alexander is the villain in this scene
Caesarslegion1 for no reason? It was 800000 years of evolution as he explained earlier. The digestive systems of all organisms do change with evolution. The morlock was not a villain he was doing what they needed to to survive. I would have preferred an ending where he would have convinced him to coexist with the eloi they were both intelligent and I think instead of resorting to nonsense stupid violence like shown in this clip for no reason they could have made the ending better or at least made the uber morlock more evil as if Alexander had to kill him to survive
and who would of listened to him? Babblings of a man, who went insane after the death of his wife. He'd be locked up in an institution.
MrFlashmn who would have believed him? I would have assumed his time machine would be enough proof
Agreed
@FC6-3.7 Ever talk to an animal rights person? "Meat is murder?"
They managed to capture some of the original movie’s creepiness in the 635,427,810 scene
In the original 1960 version, a Morlock is defeated and his corpse starts to rot, as the time traveler goes further into the future. His skin completely decays and reveals a skeleton. Further through time, the skeleton's head falls off. That must've been pretty creepy for some viewers in 1960, but pretty tame by today's standards.
That is G R O S S!!!
And that ladies and gentlemen this how you age rapidly..I would have slowed it down just to see the "living skeleton"..
One of the best parts in the movie..
I had no idea that the Molock is played by Jeremy Irons.
John Brick next time you should *BE PRE PAAAREED!*
John Brick
I think he was pretty sang good here.
The Morlocks don't come off as evil here. They're trying to survive a harsh world with a harsh history. The brutes are little more than animals and the Ubermorlock is stating simple fact: the Eloi are their food source.
3:51 Welcome to The unseen part of Draenor.
He should've just went back to 2030 and warned everyone about the moon colonization apocalypse, instead of trying to save the Eloi people. At least that would've made for a better ending and would've made the remake, not as crappy.
that was a deleted scene, apparently that is what caused the moon to be destroyed
The Fight through All Time.
Honestly felt bad for the uber morlock he was just doing what he was supposed to do and I never thought he was evil
So, the morlock is hanging outside the bubble yet holding onto Alexanders neck. From his perspective how long was he hanging there? Months? Years? Centuries?
Yes. Nothing specific, the answer is just, yes.
I believe thousands of years because he never alter the time machines speed after he killed the morlock until he came to a full stop and you see how the geo-formations was changing in rapid fashion. That means that uber morlock life span was probably in the 100's of thousands of years. Not sure if the writers meant that however.
how long was he hanging there alive
probably for him it was seconds because he was partially in the time machine bubble, but for his body millions of years passed. If he was feeling like hanging so long, he would immediately let go under 15 minutes because he would know its useless to hang on...
Because he was still within the sphere of the time machines influence, it may have meant that the ageing occurred in line with the speed Alex was witnessing. Kind of like he was half in half out. Meaning he aged but at an accelerated rate.
Looks like a Wraith from Stargate: Atlantis.
If the morlock can read minds, how did he not know what he was planning?
Exactly that was a good question
It's a cheesy movie that's why lol.
Because plot-hole
Because the thought was spontaneous.
He couldn't save his girlfriend, but was able to change the fate of the humans? The story states that one can't change the past.. so it seems inevitable regardless of his decision to fix things.. the humans will still be fucked
I am among those who think the Uber Morlock was in the right and Alexander had no business killing him, particularly when the Uber Morlock gave him a chance to leave in peace, and Alexander was the one who arrived in HIS time.
3:02 From Alexander’s pov, uber morlock dies quick. But from uber morlock’s pov, he dies slowly while seeing Alexander’s frozen face
Year: 635, 427, 810 The morlocks eat all the eloi???!!!!
Its an unfortunate future, but all things considered, there was no need for him to kill the warlock. He was being civil, he could have easily trapped and killed him, instead he offers him to go back in his time machine. And now with the warlocks dead, the grunts will go rampant and kill even more people.
3:46 that awkward moment when you create a time machine and travel 635M years into the future
Thousand or million?
@@ninja1676
635,427,810 - to be exact.
@@rthinds We already know what the world will be like in the year 635,427,810 AD. A larger, hotter Sun, evaporating oceans, thick clouds and a Venus like hellish surface! Our time traveller would quickly become very uncomfortable indeed.
@@evertonporter7887
True, but we don't know that for sure. That's what we know based on our knowledge NOW.
Perhaps sometime in the future, mankind will develop the technology to constrain the growing red-giant sun. Assuming mankind in the year 635,427,810 AD will be limited by the knowledge in 2022 AD is pretty pessimistic, don't you think?
Also imagine what kind of viruses might exist in that future and he got it back in time
This fight was really pointless. He could just travel back to 2037 and change the future. It's even more pointless, that he used the time machine to destroy just one colony. He could get the woman into his machine, travel back to 2037 and could save her and the humanity...
I think you missed the whole point of the movie.
Well said
@@AltumNovo That the past cannot be changed, except it can at the end, LOL.
I love Time Machine 2002 ❤
Alexander is basically the original social justice warrior: full of himself, with a sense of moral superiority and driven by emotion rather than reason
Uber morlock is evil dummie
@@AltumNovo why is he evil? he does nothing evil here. he gives him everything he wanted. the answer to his question.
"social justice bigot" is a better term for those kinds of people.
3:51 It would be cool if Gmod had a map like this
That's why the future is hell. He took the Morlock leader so all the other ones ate everything around.
Wrong. He says he's changing the future in the very next scene. So that future will never come. You can't change the past but can change the future.
Thought there was supposed to be some twists where the Uber-morlock is actually Alexander in a distant future, but I guess alternative universe wasn't thought up back then.
The Uber morlock wasn’t even a thing in the original book. You’d be surprised what really drove their evolution in the original book
@@lochness5524 Guess I need to read the book.
@@wargames2195 alternatively, there’s a website called bigfinish that makes audiobooks, mostly famous for its Doctor who audiobooks. They did a version that stays more truthful to the book. It’s fun to listen to and very creepy as well, very entertaining
3:03 : "All hands on deck!" xD
Tells him he can't change the past, sees the Morlockapocalypse in the future, goes back in the past and changes it... seriously movie?
Either the movie screwed up, or he fails by saving humanity.
Maybe he had to see the future to go back and change as part of the causalitieloop, but then he could also have saved his wife, because that event, would also be part of a causalitieloop. But then the movie would also have screwed up...
D.M.S. I think you could reason it out by saying he couldn't change his particular history of saving his wife because the death of his wife was the very reason for his mad desire to change his past and led to his breakthrough in creating a time machine. Take that away and it creates a paradox. But outside of that he might have a lot of leeway. time travel is still in the theoretical area and writers come up with a myriad amount of possibilities, some have you going into alternate dimensions, other say you can delete Yourself from existence..who knows.
Ponen Longchar No, it is simple causality. By the rules established by this movie, he can't have saved humanity. He failed and they all die.
D.M.S. I thought the movie made it clear that you could change the past(to a certain degree), he went back and saved her from the mugger but a bit later she gets run over by the carriage(so certain events have been changed, like the mugger who probably didn't end up shooting anyone, so didn't get caught and go prison and had a full life) hinting that maybe certain focal points have to occur, the reason for the creation of the time machine being the death of Guys wife, so he can change aspects of the past. The uber-morlock was psionic but his idea of time travels limitations may have been informed by gleaning ideas off Pearce himself and hence perhaps faulty....of course the real reason is probably the writers didn't think about the paradoxes because they just didn't think of it..also not saying my explanation is correct, just a thought, time travel in fiction gets so convoluted that I have now accepted just to go with the movies logic.
Ponen Longchar yeah but the apocalypse at the end is also a fixpoint in point and the cause for his return. Therefore it can't be change.
He could have gone back to 2030 after this, stopped Humanity from blowing the moon up and preventing ANY of this horrible future from ever happening.
The time machine only travels through time, not space.
I recall the line being "Now go, return to your industrial age". Seems to be missing from every version today.
Mandela?:D
3:54 What Well happen to egypt in that time iam so scared man ??!!!!
The pyramids will be long gone, eroded away into dust and buried under layers of geologic strata, or crushed and melted by subduction into the earth's crust due to continental drift. There will be nothing left of any of our buildings and monuments anywhere, no trace that we ever existed. BUT...that is not something you or I will have to worry about, as this is in the far distant future. Indeed, we ought not to worry about these things, today's troubles are enough. There is no need to be scared though. Just live your life the way God intends you to live today. God offers you eternal salvation through Jesus Christ.
Aside from the fight being completely pointless, my other issue with this scene is that 700 million years into the future, the Morlock's subterranean skull entrances are still the same, implying the morlocks haven't evolved...? There is no way this would happen. In 200 million years, Pangaea broke into each continent we know today, the dinosaurs disappeared and humans came to be, so to say nothing but the landscape changed in such a long amount of time, is definitely rubbing salt in the wound.
That...and the fact that the Sun will be brighter and hotter in 700 million years as well.
635000000
Exactly. Plus, the fact that the Morlocks would have probably been wiped out by the impact of large asteroid. The odds of such a cataclysm happening in a time frame of 600 million years are very, very high- certainly because the Morlocks wouldn't have the technological ability to prevent it. So, Earth in 600 million years could very well look like an apocalyptic wasteland, but it would probably lack any presence of humanoid life. This is the case in H.G. Well's original novel - in the very distant future, the protagonist could only see giant lobster like creatures, if i remember it correctly.
Interesting.
Why did he simply let him go? As a scientist he may have unknowingly contributed to something which may have triggered the downfall of humanity and the resulting creation of the morloks. Maybe the morlok knew this and had no choice other than to send him back and prevent a paradox.
I agree with some people on this video, the uber morlock was completely friendly with Alexander. The uber morlock gave Alexander his answer to why he couldn't just go back and save his girlfriend, even gave him (Alexander) his time machine and his watch back to him. And, how does Alexander repay the uber morlock for all 3? By starting a fight and killing him.
When you stoned, this is just extra, extra delicious.
A slim teacher that fights and kills a super humanoid with super strength, super intelligence, telepathic and telekinetic powers, and probably fighting skills. Where and when Alexander has learned to fight? Hahahahah Nonsense.
He used his cunning and wit to defeat the uber morlock. Just because someone is a professor at a university doesn't mean they don't know a thing or two how to fight. In those days a lot of men from the gentry class knew how to box, mostly in England though
Did Europeans have civilians in those days? They couldn't exactly sleep at night knowing they hadn't spent the day conquering something.
@@Dom-fx4kt are u stupid?
Max Rockatansky At 1:57 he should have been defeated. He was flung into the air and hit his head on a metal pipe. His skull would have been easily fractured.
MrDarksword123 plot armor
Man, they're passing up a good opportunity to use Jeremy Irons as Boris Karloff !!!
3:06 I don't feel so good
Which Morlock Sphinx part scared the shit out of you or anyone as a kid?
Is it this scene like at 3:51-4:07?
or was it “the dream” scene?
I mean the one where The Morlock Sphinx’s head slowly moves like a animatronic for a couple of seconds while the growling grows louder and louder...
until the Morlock Sphinx eats Alexander in a flash.
Or was it both?
You choose what you or somebody think that whatever Morlock Sphinx scenes scared you or anyone really bad as a kid.
3:50 THE BACKROOMS in 635 million year future
So, he time traveled at the end to Mordor?
No, DOOM. Hell came to Earth. He left before the DOOM Marine arrived though...
Typical Englishman - sees a world working in perfect order but not adhering to his ideas of morality.
Proceeds to upend it.
Fist-fighting in an XXS small room be like
If he traveled more twice as the year of 635M, eq to 1.2B those Morlocks will have their modern houses and futuristic cars instead of the cave.
En 1:45 la maquina ya esta viajando en el tiempo a gran velocidad, las estalactitas crecen en cuestión de segundos de la acción
I'm not good with maths, but I'm pretty sure the sun will have destroyed the earth by that point.
Life on earth can be possible for at least the next 500 million years, but scientists think that in 1 billion years, earth will become too hot for life.
I feel like this scene wasn't needed. Alex had his answer that he went 800,000 years into the future to get, only to end up staying in the future and completely changing the future timeline forever, just from what he did right here. I feel like he could have used that info that the uber morlock gave him to save emma and even save the morlocks from becoming morlocks in the first place, from simply just warning the people in an earlier time period that we were going to mess up everything with the moon and eventually mold ourselves into dust.
It's called a Temporal Paradox, if Alex had saved Emma he would not go on to make the time machine in the first place and thus couldn't go back to save her, the same applies to the morlocks and the moons destruction, because if he had changed the past he couldn't go into the future to make the time machine to go back and so on, this is why the scene was needed, to explain to the audience that his actions could save people just not ones he wanted!
the scene is needed though as SuperGameCrashers says here
What if he told himself from the past he needed to do those things or else Emma would die?
I think that was the point: Alexander of this timeline could *never* save Emma. The future with him and Emma did exist, but there was no way he could ever get to it because he built the machine after her death. That was closed.
What he could do was to work with the world he did have, and use his machine to help the Eoli and humanity start over. You could see the change in his face when he realized "the past is locked out, what can I do in the NOW". Turns out he could do a lot from here, and could avoid that future he saw with nothing but Morlock castles.
So, he did. And there you have it. Finally he took charge of his destiny, accepted the past, and changed the future.
Kind of a cool story.
How? He could never get into that timeline. The only way to be there would be to have been in a universe where she didn't die for some reason. Those Alexanders got to have lives, kids, and all that. But he, knowing what he knew and being through the situations he had been in could never go to those lives.
In a way it helps me to understand my past: Certain sections are locked out, but I can take some comfort in knowing some version of myself is living those items that I would otherwise regret. The fact that I can't enjoy them personally does not detract from the fact that another different me can.
The problem I have with this is he went back and not save Emma, the future would have been unwritten. The future was what it was because it shifted when he left, thus causing a different reality.
He has no obligation to that future in the 800k year. The future would have drastically changed if he released his time machine to the world, which would have ushered a new era of world coexistence, thus changing the fact there are these beasts that feed in people in the future.
Also he gave up trying to save his woman after like only 3 attempts. I would have tried as many times as it took
@@rockguy8362 Right? If, if I was madly in love with this bih, I would have spent years plotting. Though I secretly love this movie as a guilty pleasure, it was lazy writing where he felt obligated to go to the future to "find out why he can't change the past." If anything you would have gone back and reviewed, create your own paradox so to speak where you slip someone a note.
In reality of the situation, he knew the burglar would show up eventually if he didn't interfere. What he should have done is secretly waited for the burlaglar to hide in the bushes and pistol whip his ass silently and let it continue from that point. Although, that would also create a new paradox where the time machine would then be uninvented because he would be dealing with his new wife instead of his machine - therefore have no stupid movie LOL!! This would have made a good series, more focused on flash backs and forwards. Like a what if paradox series.
However, with paradoxes in mind...I know, I'm nerding out here...when got his bih to the 2nd location to be killed, this right here would have created a new paradox where the time machine would probably not exist again. This time, the original dude would be confused as to where did his bih go, only to find out she was killed in a completely different area. I could go on..
So the end bit. Basically where he is has turned into Mordor? 🤔😂
3:51 enitity is right here BACKROOMS
This CGI did not age well. Plus it's such a blatant copy of an event from the first film.
The Morlock asks him who is he to go against 800,000 years of evolution. The Morlock said they bred themselves into these different casts, so no evolution was involved. This film strayed even farther from the original story, in that, while the the inventor was traveling through time, humanity achieved a golden age, where they ended disease and hunger and all other of Mankind's challenges, and even permanently changed the weather so the temperatures were always perfect. But then, with no challenges left to them, humans also lost the need to read, to think, to plan, to fend for themselves, and even their physical size, as they evolved into the diminutive, childlike Eloi. Meanwhile those that became the Morlocks evolved underground into pale light sensitive carnivores, and the only animal food left on the Earth was the Eloi.
Even though there's a lot missing to that original story, I think it's still superior to what we got in this film.
Artificial selection is still evolution, the only difference is the force driven it
Mordor revamped
Alexander Hartdegen built the time machine because of Emma’s Death
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End of The World
I thought he could read his mind, guess not.
He didn't killed the Morlock! The Morlock died of old age as quick as he could!
but I do not understand! is that also a morlot?
4:01 Are those people there?
Years in the movie:
1904 AD - starting year
1899 AD - the year he went back to save his girl
2030 AD - near future, before mankind detonated 20 megaton nuke inside the moon
2037 AD - after a nuke went off, moon chunks are falling onto earth
802701 AD - far far future, mankind evolved into two different species
635427810 AD - very very very far future, Earth is a wasteland ruled by Morlocks
This fight is so ******* dumb the Morlock guy gave him an answer as to why he couldn’t change the past to save his fiancé Emma because if he saves Emma the time machine won’t exist for Alexander Hartdegan to go back in time and save her which creates a paradox. If I was Alexander Hartdegan I would got the watch from him and also bring the woman with as well and head my ass back to my time period. Most ridiculous ass fight for this movie and the rating for this movie is -10/10
Agree 100 percent the guy was actually pretty chill.