I'm glad to see even Chad has some care with the thumb on the first few shots of a new ball. I had too many wrist injuries from thumb problems and gave up went 2H and have never been happier bowling.
I just had all of my specs redone for the first time in years. I only live a half hour from Buddies pro shop in Connecticut and Chris Forry knows his stuff. He did everything from measuring my span, to recording me throw a whole game, to putting tape on my ball to measure my PAP and then going through my arsenal. Turns out my span was too short and my thumb was a little too big. My new fit feels the best it has in a very long time.
I see the house mention buddies all the time. I'm going to have to check them out. My pro shop guy has never done any of that with me. My fit just feels off. It's a three hour drive for me though, but it seems like he knows what he's doing.
@@Ethan428 Packy and Prather know Chris. Believe me, it's worth the trip. Chris will make a spec sheet for you after going through the process and any ball you want drilled in the future, they'll drill it and ship it out to you. I highly recommend making an appointment first because they do get busy. He knows pretty much everything about the game and can definitely help you out.
My pro shop guy said he sold five of the same balls that I bought never checked out my Pap or anything then I checked out a couple of the other balls that he drilled. They’re all drilled the same way and after I bowled with it, I saw my track was running Over part of my fingertips and he said I must be doing something wrong. I won’t buy another one from him ever again! And when I asked him about the specification, all he said was angular
Dam my first 2 storm balls i bought new 8 years ago the guy just measured my thumb, span and asked if the size fits and thats it lol. didnt know the process was this detailed. Getting my new ball drilled soon and this video is awesome! Gave me good idea what to ask lol
I knew they did this for golf but i have only ever experienced the basic pro shop drilling. Measure hand and drill. This was awesome to watch and I would love to try this.
I live in ILL and I have not seen any PSO go watch you bowl before ball fittings. Most just do what you tell them and that's it. Been that way for years.
Thanks for the video. It's reassuring for me to watch this and learn that the PSO who drilled my first bowling ball did pretty much everything Chad did.
Great stuff! Would love to hear more about what pitches you came up with. I know some basic things from research on the net but it would be nice to hear what a little stiff fingers means in numbers, how the gripping of the arm (Coke can) and the amount of stretch in the webbing translates into numbers also. I’ve been to the Taylormade Golf Kingdom fitting for golf and know how that compares to many of the basic golf club fittings in my area. I don’t feel that I have a top notch fitter for my hand in my area so I try II’m always wondering if I have the best fit for my game. As for personal stats, I have the tools (pro sec and dillo) and use your VLS for suggested layouts using the stats that I came up with. Very good vid otherwise and happy to see this type of stuff coming out by Storm. Also, seeing the ROY in the background was cool! My coworker just showed me a pic of two of them from a JR Event back in their Jr days. He was 12 then and my coworker was 14.
Unfortunately most of the pro shops that I’ve been to do not operate like this. The ones that I’ve visited usually have 10-20 balls waiting to be drilled, 5 customers waiting to buy balls, etc and another 5 people just hanging out. I haven’t had a ball drilled in 10 years that the person drilling it actually came out of the pro shop and watched me bowl first. 🤷♂️
Does storm actually do this for the general public at their utah location? Obviously this is for RUclips content , but im sure some people would have interest in going there if that service is provided
This is so cool. Just bought a Sublime today can't wait to throw it in league tonight. I love storm products. My pso is Brian Leclair he's really helped my game not only with bowling balls but understanding the balls and what they do.
It’s not too difficult to get your fit rechecked either! I had a really hard time with my fit and dealt with it forever before I had it rechecked and found out it was wayyyy off. If it doesn’t feel right, never be afraid to ask to have it checked
My PAP is 5¼ & 1¾^ which to me is the closest to the 5 & 1^, and I used the layouts from that specific PAP. I live in Australia, and it's not something that pro shops there would often do so I had to find the PAP, Speed, Revs, Tilt and Rotation myself.
Love the vid. Based off this vid I know that the pro shop I went too did not do any of this. I have a phaze II that my daughter got me for Christmas. I was wondering could it be re drilled to be done correctly?
@@ChampionshipBowling I’m in desperate need of getting my ball done right. However I’m having the toughest time finding someone in Charlotte, Nc to get it done .
Seems to me everyone is having the same issue with their pro shops . That is very sad and disappointing. People spend a decent amount on the balls and can’t even get the ball fitted correctly.
Can anyone come down to the storm testing center to get fitted? I'm in Vancouver Washington and no pro shops in the Vancouver/ Portland area drill based on pap, and definitely don't watch you bowl or find your rev rate, tilt, ball speed, ect. There is one pro shop that has 3 guys who work in it. They are all 70 years old or more, used to bowl professionally back in the 70s, and are stuck in their ways and won't embrace the new technology. One of them told me when i was looking to buy a new ball that the storm tropical surge is just as good as the summit or the journey, they are all round and how much the hook doesn't matter. One of the other old guys, i went in to just look at the balls they had and all that was on the wall were plastic spare balls, the wall was 75% empty. I said "you don't have any good balls? He told me the plastic balls are just as good as any other. Then he asked me would i rather have a ball that goes straight and strikes, or a ball that hooks but doesn't strike. I told him that scenario doesn't exist and a ball with a weight block that hits at an angle is going to strike better than a plastic ball going straight at the pins. He asked me who the professional bowler was there, and said i didn't know what I'm talking about. I just shook my head and told him about had changed since he competed and walked out. I'm not going to put the alley on blast because they have some REALLY great people that work for them, but the "pro shop" is a joke. I'm going to have to buy a pro sect and get my own stats i guess so i can take my ball in somewhere else and tell them what layout I want. Or travel hours to shop that will take the time. I want to start competing locally but not until i round or my arsenal a bit more. I have 2 balls waiting to get drilled and 2 that i know the layout isn't right for me, they don't react like they should. Ok rant over
I just got back into bowling after like 30 years. I've been going now for about two months, and now practice about 8 games a day, at least 4 days a week. I have a low rev rate, but picked up an exotic gem, an absolute, and a black widow 2.0, as well as a Mix for spares. the Ex pro bowler and decades long pro shop owner operator that drilled my balls never once looked for my PAP, or my rev rate other than eyeballing me making a few shots. I've got a Black Widow 3 coming, and have no Idea where in Connecticut I can get this kind of evaluation before drilling what is now my fifth ball... I want it done RIGHT. How the hell am I supposed to get better if I can't even start off with the best possible chances. Don't get me wrong, he did measure my hand to make sure the layout fit, but as far as layout position, he just gave me a very basic pin up over the ring finger layout position and I have no idea if it is actually right for me or not.
I was at the storm factory and I was told they couldn't sell me a ball, I would have to go to a bowling alley pro shop. I was interested in the absolute also. Came out very disappointed
I would like to have Chad as my ball driller cause everybody around my neck of woods has some sort of competitive reasoning for drilling bowling balls bad
So I came back last year after 15 years away, and this is the part of the game that I’m struggling with, from the time I started bowling at 4 to when I quit at 27 I had the same man at our pro shop who was just as thorough as this guy was, so there was never really a need to learn all the information, as he would know exactly what I needed, but now he unfortunately passed away, and I don’t have a great understanding of the analytics involved, so watching these videos I’m basically clueless, which is always a little embarrassing when people start talking about the numbers and things, my question I guess is where can I find a video that teaches all the analytics of bowling, I’ve looked and have had a hard time finding a complete guide.
i dont disagree with the videos message. but it's a bit on the nose that the two bowling balls this guy needed are the two releasing a few days after the video comes out
Such a cool video to show the process. @stormbowling Sam from A+ Pro Shop inside Steve Cook’s Fireside Lanes is phenomenal and will walk you through this same process. Very fortunate to have someone close to home that is this good!
Watching this I realized I have never had a good pro shop experience in terms of gaining the information I need. Personally I like my local pro shop operator but she doesn’t explain anything now has never watched me bowl so idk how she decided where to drill for me
I'm glad to see even Chad has some care with the thumb on the first few shots of a new ball. I had too many wrist injuries from thumb problems and gave up went 2H and have never been happier bowling.
I need to find a pro shop that'll take the time to do this. All the centers in my area seem to be bothered and "Meh" about things.
I feel that . Seems like no one wants to do their job anymore. Just drill holes and sale products
Where are this pro shop location
Yeah I hear you me as well
That sucks man. Where are you located?
@Brian_B300 Lakewood, WA. I was just told there's a good pro shop a couple towns away. So I'm going to go check them out
I just had all of my specs redone for the first time in years. I only live a half hour from Buddies pro shop in Connecticut and Chris Forry knows his stuff. He did everything from measuring my span, to recording me throw a whole game, to putting tape on my ball to measure my PAP and then going through my arsenal. Turns out my span was too short and my thumb was a little too big. My new fit feels the best it has in a very long time.
I see the house mention buddies all the time. I'm going to have to check them out. My pro shop guy has never done any of that with me. My fit just feels off. It's a three hour drive for me though, but it seems like he knows what he's doing.
@@Ethan428 Packy and Prather know Chris. Believe me, it's worth the trip. Chris will make a spec sheet for you after going through the process and any ball you want drilled in the future, they'll drill it and ship it out to you. I highly recommend making an appointment first because they do get busy. He knows pretty much everything about the game and can definitely help you out.
@@Mikey-1990Yeah none of the pro shops in my area seem to care enough to take the effort to do all of that. Ill definitely go see them thanks!
My pro shop guy said he sold five of the same balls that I bought never checked out my Pap or anything then I checked out a couple of the other balls that he drilled. They’re all drilled the same way and after I bowled with it, I saw my track was running Over part of my fingertips and he said I must be doing something wrong. I won’t buy another one from him ever again! And when I asked him about the specification, all he said was angular
Chirs is awesome! I had him drill my 8 year old's first reactive bowling ball and he gave me a few pointers as well! CT Baby!!!
Dam my first 2 storm balls i bought new 8 years ago the guy just measured my thumb, span and asked if the size fits and thats it lol. didnt know the process was this detailed. Getting my new ball drilled soon and this video is awesome! Gave me good idea what to ask lol
I knew they did this for golf but i have only ever experienced the basic pro shop drilling. Measure hand and drill. This was awesome to watch and I would love to try this.
Great Vid! I think I need to take a trip out to Storm in Utah and have Chad drill me my next ball!!
Nice vid. Where can we contact Chad to make an appointment?
Very cool vid ! My local pro shop is run by a regional pro and he does something similar. Anyone notice the rookie of the year cameo !?!
I would love to get Chad to help me as well
I live in ILL and I have not seen any PSO go watch you bowl before ball fittings. Most just do what you tell them and that's it. Been that way for years.
Enjoyed the video. Rich has definitely put some time in on the lanes.
That’s sick!!! I would really be happy to get this done!
Thanks for the video. It's reassuring for me to watch this and learn that the PSO who drilled my first bowling ball did pretty much everything Chad did.
How can I schedule the Storm experience?
Great stuff! Would love to hear more about what pitches you came up with. I know some basic things from research on the net but it would be nice to hear what a little stiff fingers means in numbers, how the gripping of the arm (Coke can) and the amount of stretch in the webbing translates into numbers also. I’ve been to the Taylormade Golf Kingdom fitting for golf and know how that compares to many of the basic golf club fittings in my area. I don’t feel that I have a top notch fitter for my hand in my area so I try II’m always wondering if I have the best fit for my game. As for personal stats, I have the tools (pro sec and dillo) and use your VLS for suggested layouts using the stats that I came up with. Very good vid otherwise and happy to see this type of stuff coming out by Storm. Also, seeing the ROY in the background was cool! My coworker just showed me a pic of two of them from a JR Event back in their Jr days. He was 12 then and my coworker was 14.
Very enjoyable to watch. I need to get my specs redone for clarity. Never to late to learn the basic fundamentals
great video. i have done 2 re fits just before and after covid
Unfortunately most of the pro shops that I’ve been to do not operate like this. The ones that I’ve visited usually have 10-20 balls waiting to be drilled, 5 customers waiting to buy balls, etc and another 5 people just hanging out. I haven’t had a ball drilled in 10 years that the person drilling it actually came out of the pro shop and watched me bowl first. 🤷♂️
Does storm actually do this for the general public at their utah location? Obviously this is for RUclips content , but im sure some people would have interest in going there if that service is provided
This is so cool. Just bought a Sublime today can't wait to throw it in league tonight. I love storm products. My pso is Brian Leclair he's really helped my game not only with bowling balls but understanding the balls and what they do.
It’s not too difficult to get your fit rechecked either! I had a really hard time with my fit and dealt with it forever before I had it rechecked and found out it was wayyyy off. If it doesn’t feel right, never be afraid to ask to have it checked
I want visit Storm HQ this spring or summer
I wish we had a pro shop like this
Yo rich, what else have you added to your arsenal since this video came out???
Why didnt you get a slug for the thumb instead? What made you decide?
My PAP is 5¼ & 1¾^ which to me is the closest to the 5 & 1^, and I used the layouts from that specific PAP. I live in Australia, and it's not something that pro shops there would often do so I had to find the PAP, Speed, Revs, Tilt and Rotation myself.
I need to find a shop that will do this as well
Love the vid. Based off this vid I know that the pro shop I went too did not do any of this. I have a phaze II that my daughter got me for Christmas. I was wondering could it be re drilled to be done correctly?
Yes balls can be plugged and redrilled!
I have some bowling balls that have been redrilled multiple times
@@ChampionshipBowling I’m in desperate need of getting my ball done right. However I’m having the toughest time finding someone in Charlotte, Nc to get it done .
Use our Find a pro shop tool!
www.stormbowling.com/find-a-pro-shop
@@stormbowling The crazy part is one of the pro shops on this list is where I went and the guy didn’t do any of the things in this vid SMH
Seems to me everyone is having the same issue with their pro shops . That is very sad and disappointing. People spend a decent amount on the balls and can’t even get the ball fitted correctly.
Is this experience available for anyone?
Can anyone come down to the storm testing center to get fitted? I'm in Vancouver Washington and no pro shops in the Vancouver/ Portland area drill based on pap, and definitely don't watch you bowl or find your rev rate, tilt, ball speed, ect. There is one pro shop that has 3 guys who work in it. They are all 70 years old or more, used to bowl professionally back in the 70s, and are stuck in their ways and won't embrace the new technology. One of them told me when i was looking to buy a new ball that the storm tropical surge is just as good as the summit or the journey, they are all round and how much the hook doesn't matter. One of the other old guys, i went in to just look at the balls they had and all that was on the wall were plastic spare balls, the wall was 75% empty. I said "you don't have any good balls? He told me the plastic balls are just as good as any other. Then he asked me would i rather have a ball that goes straight and strikes, or a ball that hooks but doesn't strike. I told him that scenario doesn't exist and a ball with a weight block that hits at an angle is going to strike better than a plastic ball going straight at the pins. He asked me who the professional bowler was there, and said i didn't know what I'm talking about. I just shook my head and told him about had changed since he competed and walked out. I'm not going to put the alley on blast because they have some REALLY great people that work for them, but the "pro shop" is a joke. I'm going to have to buy a pro sect and get my own stats i guess so i can take my ball in somewhere else and tell them what layout I want. Or travel hours to shop that will take the time. I want to start competing locally but not until i round or my arsenal a bit more. I have 2 balls waiting to get drilled and 2 that i know the layout isn't right for me, they don't react like they should. Ok rant over
I just got back into bowling after like 30 years. I've been going now for about two months, and now practice about 8 games a day, at least 4 days a week. I have a low rev rate, but picked up an exotic gem, an absolute, and a black widow 2.0, as well as a Mix for spares. the Ex pro bowler and decades long pro shop owner operator that drilled my balls never once looked for my PAP, or my rev rate other than eyeballing me making a few shots. I've got a Black Widow 3 coming, and have no Idea where in Connecticut I can get this kind of evaluation before drilling what is now my fifth ball... I want it done RIGHT. How the hell am I supposed to get better if I can't even start off with the best possible chances. Don't get me wrong, he did measure my hand to make sure the layout fit, but as far as layout position, he just gave me a very basic pin up over the ring finger layout position and I have no idea if it is actually right for me or not.
Tez just lowkey hanging out 😂
I was at the storm factory and I was told they couldn't sell me a ball, I would have to go to a bowling alley pro shop. I was interested in the absolute also. Came out very disappointed
Storm has never sold directly to the public. We support local pro shops and so should everyone 🙌
Support the pro shops that won’t make sure they fit your ball properly. Is this the pro shop you speak of ?
Is possible to bring an SPI ball to guys at Storm and have it drilled, and tested on those lanes?
Cool video talk tech bowling ball
I would like to have Chad as my ball driller cause everybody around my neck of woods has some sort of competitive reasoning for drilling bowling balls bad
PRO SHOP OWNERS TAKE NOTES!!!
Just because it's a good ball, doesn't mean it's the right ball.
2nd pro shop doesn’t do this either. They want to just use the ball that I’ve been using and copy it Smfh
So I came back last year after 15 years away, and this is the part of the game that I’m struggling with, from the time I started bowling at 4 to when I quit at 27 I had the same man at our pro shop who was just as thorough as this guy was, so there was never really a need to learn all the information, as he would know exactly what I needed, but now he unfortunately passed away, and I don’t have a great understanding of the analytics involved, so watching these videos I’m basically clueless, which is always a little embarrassing when people start talking about the numbers and things, my question I guess is where can I find a video that teaches all the analytics of bowling, I’ve looked and have had a hard time finding a complete guide.
i dont disagree with the videos message. but it's a bit on the nose that the two bowling balls this guy needed are the two releasing a few days after the video comes out
obvi
Such a cool video to show the process. @stormbowling Sam from A+ Pro Shop inside Steve Cook’s Fireside Lanes is phenomenal and will walk you through this same process. Very fortunate to have someone close to home that is this good!
So, when you comin' out on Tour? 😂
Where’s this location
It’s at storm’s main factory in Brigham City, Utah
I wonder why he doesn’t use dual axis
I wish i cpuld have this expeirence 😅
Watching this I realized I have never had a good pro shop experience in terms of gaining the information I need. Personally I like my local pro shop operator but she doesn’t explain anything now has never watched me bowl so idk how she decided where to drill for me
Why does he keep popping his thumb in the ball?
Thumb swells up every now and then so so I need to feel it come out smooth to know I’m good lol pulled it too many times in the past