@@jamiehalfkin5813 agreed, but I don't think I realised he was this respected or popular in the community before wonderlands came out. FYI, I've been subbed since he was at 200 subs using a bestbuy laptop to make vids, mad respect for this guy.
Wonderlands brought me here, for the early games it was all about killer six, joltz, and yotes RIP. You're content is awesome tho brotha, crazy thorough.
@@dragonthese3622 sorry to disappoint, but I sincerely swear on my life, I thought of this comment completely on my own. In all fairness though, it is a relatively easy comparison to draw! Regardless, I hope you have a good day, sir. 🤟
Moxsy just wanna say congrats on all your success. I remember the day I came across the BUSTED Amara build I had just figured out that day on RUclips, some dude I’d never heard of before. The other day I finally got wonderlands and looked you back up. I’m just blown away by the upgrades to the content and how far you’ve come. Cheers to you m8, wishing you all the best
I remember using the automatic when wonderlands first came out, it was extremely good and then i got the liquid cooling and then i started using that 😂
It was alright... not extremely good... basically feels like a linoge that has a tracker... but the mag isnt big enough and u spend most the time reloading.... meh weapon before buff
So slowly it really bugs me that gearbox always ruins the good weapons with patches! I thought gearbox listen to the fans, we should all boycott this! Moxsy can we do anything about it?
Hey Moxsy, really powerful setup for Masterwork handbow: stick a marshmallow on a boss, use from the shadows, shoot the marshmallow. The marshmallow ricochets if you crit it. Use wrath of nature and play the angles from spore warden, its a golden boss killer for me.
@@STALKER777LK not an over reaction gearbox always nerfs shit that has unintended interactions and right now that tazer mod procing executioners blade hundreds of times in one charge is absolutely not an intended interaction and will almost certainly be removed once they find out about it. And no offense to mox here but he recently became one of gearbox softwares sponsored main coverage players so they 1000% watch his content. And as a side note tf you mean both guns are still good? The liquid cooling is utter shit now
My non-chaotic liquid cooling does just slightly less than nothing now. I love how little gearbox learned from BL3; on some level you have to admire their unwillingness to change. 😂
To be fair the liquid cooling was carrying most peoples builds to chaos 20. It needed to be nerfed. Now 65% was a little much for sure, but it still needed to happen. I don’t want to see wonderlands turn into everyone using the same couple guns. There for a while BL3 was nothing but plasma coils and light shows.
@@joshthatpandaguy5025 oh I definitely agree it was overpowered; I also agree with the fact that gearbox is wayyy too heavy-handed when it comes to balancing. That's why I never call for nerfs in borderlands games specifically, I'd rather let build diversity come about organically rather then by force. The player base being paranoid about using alternate builds when those may get nerfed also isn't really a fun way to play
Yes it was single handedly the one piece that got me through over half of the chambers. It definitely doesn't need to be this good. It makes using other guns feel frustrating and not usefull
@@emanuelemanuel7038 it sounds like the other guns should've gotten a buff then. Purple/legendary weapons definitely shouldn't feel frustrating to use.
Sporceror, Buffmeister, Winged Guns, and All Damage Dealt buffs. I ran Chaos (Anarchy, Critical Connoisseur, 2x Crit). A Solo Chaos ran in 18m at 35, and finished all challenges and extra boss dead before first orb. Ty for your vids, it changed my build a lot.
My purple masher pistol is now my go to. Not gonna one shot bosses or anything but it’s great damage and it’s consistent. Hopefully snipers get some more love.
I ran a purple 🟣 masher volatile before I got a liquid cooling. It's still very strong, imo it gets slept on. Not sure if there's a legendary version, but pookies chew toy was very good, no idea why it was nerfed substantially.
queen's cry on sporceror is extremely strong even after the nerf to it. You just have to have to have as many items that increase spell damage like the zap roll on buffmeister and have your spellshot power pretty high to get as much spell damage from spellweaving stacks (mine's at 59%) and you should be doing more damage than what the liquid cooling did pre patch with a spore zrrker build. only real downside is that it eats through ammo pretty quickly
Thanks for the videos moxsy. I am really slow and these videos really help me improve. only been at the game for 2 weeks and have only gotten to mayhem 3. on one character.
So true. My one complaint with the Ruby before the nerf was that it felt weak until it procs its ability. Now it feels even worse and I don’t understand why they did it.
@@glueggelz3997 If you're using spellshots ambihextrous skill, you can put the buffmeister in the second spell slot and a high damaging spell in the first spell spot. When you activate the buffmeister, it glitches and applies damage from the left spell slot onto your bullets instead of using the buffmeisters added damage, so you deal massive damage. If you find a 4-5k damaging spell, it applies that extra damage to every pellet your gun shoots, so it's sort of like the bee and conference call from bl2
If using the Lightning strikes you can look for the ice spikes, or look for the missing head and talking butt of the one who nerfed them in the first place. While 40 seems like a generic place holder to maybe see other weapon data or how to do less next time. I don't usually like to see nerfs. I really don't want it where in BL3 legendaries we're like 10 levels higher than the purple variants so you many times ONLY use legendaries. Miss the days when you can be level 50+ in Vanilla BL and be happy running around with a White Jakobs Masher. And at times you get that here in Wonderlands.
They gutted the Liquid Cooling…..35% nerf and it would be useable on bosses…65% it’s a total struggle…1200 rounds and you might not down even Zomboss…. Still fine for mobbing but they really eliminated it as a bossing option for many of the bosses. Over reaction and over nerf for one of the funnest guns in the game….shame.
That's Gearbox for you. Meanwhile when the first DLC drops it'll have a pistol that does triple the damage of the Liquid Cooling in it because that's how shit goes lol
@@kevinuikhoven you are just a better shot than me….;). Seriously at chaos level 20 with any kind of medium or hard modifiers the gun is a shadow of what it was. I would have been fine with knocking it down a notch. But what they did was cut the legs out from underneath it.
After the liquid cooling nerf. It really fell down the top pistol list. If you're not using Brrzerker, you have to load up on frost damage and elemental damage boost to see close to pre nerf damage. But with a cryo auto magic you can absolutely melt bosses just like with the liquid cooling.
Appreciate the video, Moxsy the real one keeping the community alive. Small rant towards devs: Whenever it comes to Gearbox’s nerfs they’re the absolute worst. I don’t mind nerfs but explain to us the ones that seem unnecessary to us.
@@darkhaven9119 it’s a matter of encouragement from devs to use alternative builds, weapons, etc, but the way they go about it is definitely not executed right
@@BigSexyBlackMans why do the devs care how we play. I BOUGHT the game with my own money, the devs need to FUCK OFF and let me and the rest of us play how we WANT to play.
@@BigSexyBlackMans how about they buff all the shit people aren’t using? That would encourage people to try other builds and weapons. Just nerfing everything makes the game not fun and ruins it.
@@darkhaven9119 buffing everything will just cause more problems. Once everything is op, they have to buff the rest of the game so it’s not stupidly easy. That basically becomes a backwards nerf. Nerfing something is 100x easier and keeps the balance in the game.
Saw a build for from the shadows in a stabbo/brrzerker set up that utilizes blood of the fallen capstone on brrzerker to keep up from the shadows as long as you're getting kills, could be really great with the masterwork post nerf.
Cheers for the updates....appreciate your hard work. I still find it impossible to work out damage comparisons as there isnt an overall score to know if one gun damages more than another (like using fire rate vs damage or how it compares with your personal stat increases. (unless you are merely upgrading what you have). This is so annoying, especially when you have over 50 guns drop in a chaos run.
The glutnee pistol is a nice little reference to full metal alchemist where the theme and principle of the show was equivalent of exchange and glutnee is one of the characters
Dude gone a long way! All my respect to you Moxsy you really earned my twitch sub! (I'm kinda mad at myself for not subbing earlier cuz back in the BL3 Days you've been the go2guy) Keep up the amazing work. Greetings from Germany Plebsen86
Well that’s great to hear the automatic is even better I love that gun never had the liquid cooling but I always enjoyed the automatic it can tear through stuff.
Also running that as my first char and feel the same. I mean yeah sure I can get stuff done but something feels off or I'm missing something idk. Already tried Spore+Brzerker that was somewhat better but now with the Liquid Cooling nerf I went back to Stabbo since I'm using various guns now not just Frost based ones.
I love your video's, and I always feel that I leave more informed then when I got here. Only one complain, audio level is a bit too low I feel. I have my volume at max and you're a tad louder than a whisper to me. Other than that, great work!
I love how I’ve spent over 24 hrs farming for a build finally got the rolls to drop and now notice it’s needed lol 😂 still better then everything else I’ve used by a mile which is annoying they don’t need major major buffs why are like 98 percent of the weapons garbage in end game for a sporesplosion build
With the deathless claw if I even get touched by any dot damage it downs me instantly it was the same with borderlands 3 but in b3 if you slide while ticking from dot it will down you or even just crouch but I feel like it's worse in wonderlands!
Will you please release a spore warden/stabbomancer build and go over everything you did to make you be able to use barrage so often and show the best gear that’s out for that class. I like your videos the best and no one else has dropped a video that makes my class the way I seen with your gameplay. Flak was my favorite bl3 character and I’m wanting it to be kind of like that. I love your videos man. Best borderlands content creator by far. Keep up the great work
The carrouser is actually insane, i was already playing it before with a fade crit build and it was really good but now ... i get 240/250k crit in the head easely, it's insane.
does it scale off spell damage somehow? cuz my spellshot graveborn without the bugged talent tried the 1 i got w a shit enchant on it in chaos 20 and was 1shotting mobs sometimes lol
@@ThePolarpop mmmh idk, who knows in this game ahah. My setup is fairly optimized (right enchants, etc) and i do around 240/270k crit in the head and 125/140k with a body crit in fade with the right set up (it one shot everything beside boss basically). I'm using the basic spell damage set up in my second spellshot second tree so maybe it deal some spell damage. The unique passiv make monster attacks other monster so it's not related to spell at all so idk.
Can the White Rider provide melee crowd control like the Live Wire? Wondering about switching to double beam for that. Theoretically, you'd get all the damage while using mine of the ammo
I still disagree with the Nightshade and Liquid cooling even before the nerf the Nightshade was doing far more damage than the liquid cooling. One thing to note my Nightshade is a blue non chaotic and volatile with no enchantment and my Liquid cooling was a 2x and had 30% extra frost on spell cast and my Nightshade still did way more dmg. I stand by what I say and have done my own testing so I know which is better.
Moxsy !!!!! I found a GLITCH SPOT in the arena for fighting parasite, its my only upload if you could take a look at it, you could even make a vid on it. Only the parasites throwables can touch you besides that its a free kill.
Seeing that clip of the Arc Torrent just makes me sad. I don't understand why they nerfed them considering they had previously stated the Impaling Ice Spikes were bugged, nerfed them, then reverted it, yet they nerf the Arc Torrent instead and didn't touch the Ice Spikes. Gearbox logic. 🙄
@@glueggelz3997 ice spike was and still is bugged They applied a hot fix to try and rectify it but it created another problem where I’ve spoke stopped dealing damage *at all* in some instances, so rather than break the spell entirely they reverted the hot fix They’ve already stated that they’ll be rectifying the actual issue shortly with another hot fix or patch
I've been using a Fragment Rain that drops into Hydras on reloads; to me it seems to do more damage then the automactic, reload is quick, and the bounce effect of the bullets hitting everything makes it so so good for mobbing;
@@ermagherd1204 I was watching a video with a nuking grave own berserker with sacrifice and high healthgate. Then I started to find the spells, weapons and melee enhancing damage after. I'm not endgame like the guy on the vid, but got the berserker capstone like recommended. It's a fun mobbing build. For my 22 level guy the obelisk are pretty funny just eliminating all who pop out. The capstone resets with the wipe. Of course the newbie enchants I was mentioning above could be fun with the berserker slam and work in tandem.
@@ermagherd1204 I went from C10 to C20 with this last night, then went to play today with the exact same setup and can barely get through the first couple phases of a C20. Don’t know if something was bugged last night, today, or a nerf lol. Sucks because it was a lot of fun.
Been using your spore warden / brr-zerker build with liquid cooling and it's still good with liquid cooling. But I'm curious about your spore / stabbo build since liquid cooling got de-buffed. My favorite class is spore warden and was wondering if you had any combinations with this class coming out onto RUclips soon?
it feels like they want the build to dictate ur weapon damage and the liquid cooling u could use a poop build and still melt the map. I feel like this game even more than borderlands games that knowing how to do builds is extremely important because at chaos 20 this game can be very hard for a bad build
yeah so my feeling was right on the arc torrent build :( this is pretty sad because on the first look it sounded like they would have got a small buff but now they are not really worth using by any means just because of the channel time. why should you use a spell where you cant do anything for like 2-3s and dont even do enough dmg to kill badasses if you have a bunch of skills that can be used instantly and do more dmg. i dont know why gearbox is so fast in destroying the fun in a brand new game. if they would have waited until the first dlc where we hopefully get some cool new spells and weapons it would not have bothered the community that much
The carrouser saved my ass during a chaos chamber run. Made the map elite and it was full of ettins and badass trolls. Stuck a bunch of them (had bolts increase melee damage) and watched the infighting
When you run the double spells with buff meister build sporcerer with a 80% bonus to spell damage from buff meister which more spell damage you have more bonus gun damage you get. Add in all the bonus damage multipliers from on spell cast and the liquid cooling gun 280x2 will still melt faster than any other gun.. even on bosses yeah it’s a tad bit slower but what makes the gun the best you don’t need to reload ever which still gives you the highest sustain weapon in the game. I was killing bosses before with like 25% of the mag with 780 weapon damage now it does 560 for the 280x2 it still melts Fast like half a second slower I’m using about 40% of the mag now instead of 25% you just have to run it with the right build where before you could just use it with any build and it worked…
@@jamiehalfkin5813 lmao yeah your not good at a pve game.. where there are many builds that are overpowered for chaos lv 20.. okay good logic there bud! Even without the buffmeister sporcerer is still one of the strongest builds in the game.. you can one shot bosses with double spells… you don’t even need buffmeister. Your spells already 1 shot every badass you fight on chaos 20 zzzz… It also has the highest gun damage in the game without buff meister do to how spell power buffs your guns spell stacks buff your guns and using two spells buff your gun damage.. buff meister even without the big part and your just adding the bonus 80% spell damage which boost your gun damage more With how spell shot works… using it in your main spell slot without the bug by using it in second spell slot still melts eveything..
@@lihavalokki5705 using buff meister in second spell slot causes the bug when you use it in main spell slot it doesn’t your just getting the bonus 80% spell damage which boost your gun damage with how spell shot works. You don’t have to exploit the bug to still melt bosses instantly with this build. Just don’t use the buff meister in second slot.
Are you still using the same pistol on Deadshot? Spellshot+Graveborn? or is there something better? since I don't see the pistol with wings apart of this video.
Arc torrent nerf is the saddest nerf of them all, LC is a little sad but now you can use many other good weapons, but for spell now if your not using an ice spell your not killing anything.
Enemy density is very lackluster. Very basic stuff, like the dice...should have been fixed at play testing...who tested this and said the dice not being shared...was a good idea? Who tested this and said, enemy density is great!
Riby's spite does take more ammo to put things down now but doesn't fell like it was hit TOO hard. Still a great mobbing weapon (definitely enjoying it still on my graveborn-spellshot combo since I constantly add extra elements to all my guns)
I was in a match with 2 people from oc I think. One guy was using a gun that looked like it shot a row of 5 green arrow from it and he was one shotting everything in the hardest difficulties of the chamber. Idk what it was.
Was using the Sawmill on a Spell Zerker before this fix. Definitely looking for a level appropriate one after, mine is a lv 31. Its GREAT for Bossing with a Buffmeister and 11+ stacks of Spell Weaving.
It's an epic but the Scalawag skulldugger pistol is extremely good right now. I have a x3 version that's also multiplied by crossbolts in the target and it is deleting enemies. It's basically a slower firing, non-nerfed liquid cooling.
I farmed LeChance over 70 times yesterday to try to get the swordsplosion but I got literally every other weapons BESIDES that one. Every other boss ive farmed for a specific weapon I have gotten it. But LeChance doesn’t seem to be dropping that weapon assigned to him for some reason.
I got an automagic before update. Didn't like it. But hadn't sold it yet. Saw the update and i liked it after using it currently for mobbing. On spell/grave
Is it possible to get ANY class to this level of damage? Or is it only specific classes or class combos that allow this insane amount of damage? I currently run a summoner build using graveborn and spore and i feel like i have pretty decent gear but I don't kill enemies in chaos mode nearly this fast no matter what I try
I’m legitimately using 3 chaotic automagic with different elements & then a livewire as the 4th weapon. I’m just decimating everything with my spellshot/stabbo build in chaos 20.
@moxsy #moxsy is Liquid Cooling still the best Frost weapon for Frost shiver builds? Automagic seems to do more damage, but not apply Frost as quickly.
the gluttony takes 50% health on throw, but only when at full health. if not at full health then it takes no health on throw. i believe, may be wrong, saying this from memory
Could you make a video on a good Clawbringer build? Any builds I find are pre-hotfix where they killed the awe perk and feels like now my only option to stay viable is making a whole new character
Liquid cooling still works for me still but im teally bummed its nerfed sooo much. My x4 frost nightshade feels like it hits harder though. Built my Spell-Graveborn with Frost and spell enchants, the ability to hit crits forever with it resets my impaling ice spike a lot! I always have it. Chaos 11 right now!
The automatic exe and a dahl purple 4X pellet smg are the best guns. Literally everything else is worthless or not worth going to CL35. After nerf everything became raid level strong. All my gear can't even crack a final Cc boss shield by 10% overall gearbox doesn't give a crap about the fans. This game was definitely a got damn cash grab.
Not sure how many people have actually noticed but if you play the game offline all the buffs and nerfs from the last patch are reversed. So sniper go back down and handbows go back up
As always Gearbox loves to thank all you RUclipsrs for showing us the meta by hitting it all with the Nerf bat. So then once again RUclips is a double edged sword. As I expected, I might as well have just waited until the game released on steam so it would be up to speed on balances and bugs.
i got a throwable hole volatile pistol and it absolutely melts everything on my graveborn/spell shot, dont know if it was buffed or not but its one of best guns i run right now
So does the 2x ammo per shot actually deal more damage even tho it’s not 2x damage roll? I got a volatile 2x ammo per shot but I figured it was trash.lol
i hoenstly hope they dont butcher icespikes, I run a high health/ health recov. And loose some damage pieces. i don't die and dish out 70-90k damage. these min max builds are tough, because there nerfin metas not everyone uses that are just using these type of builds as a baseline and branching of like myself.
Nobody really used ruby spite that's why the enrf is so random it was good but it's effect also didn't work too well with buffmeister since the gun needed the kill to proc the effect not buffmeister dmg. Sucks they buffed dark magic guns then nerfed this one
Ima be real I didn’t even notice the gluttony taking health on every chuck. Would explain now why I go into save your soul because the gluttony on the gloom bringer class hits for 7-8 mil on throw
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So many RUclipsrs mention you in their vids man, you've become the go-to guy in this community.
He been the go too since BL3 lol
@@jamiehalfkin5813 agreed, but I don't think I realised he was this respected or popular in the community before wonderlands came out. FYI, I've been subbed since he was at 200 subs using a bestbuy laptop to make vids, mad respect for this guy.
@@IVANGUARDI ayyy this guy knows. And thank you for your kind words
Wonderlands brought me here, for the early games it was all about killer six, joltz, and yotes RIP. You're content is awesome tho brotha, crazy thorough.
I guess the liquid cooling’s red text, was actually, a foreshadowing reference to itself 🤣
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Work till it doesnt haha 😂 i noticed this too when i got this weapon i already telling myself yeah for how long
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one guy on reddit said this and now everyone is saying it. clones lmao.
@@dragonthese3622 sorry to disappoint, but I sincerely swear on my life, I thought of this comment completely on my own. In all fairness though, it is a relatively easy comparison to draw! Regardless, I hope you have a good day, sir. 🤟
Moxsy just wanna say congrats on all your success. I remember the day I came across the BUSTED Amara build I had just figured out that day on RUclips, some dude I’d never heard of before. The other day I finally got wonderlands and looked you back up. I’m just blown away by the upgrades to the content and how far you’ve come. Cheers to you m8, wishing you all the best
I remember using the automatic when wonderlands first came out, it was extremely good and then i got the liquid cooling and then i started using that 😂
It was alright... not extremely good... basically feels like a linoge that has a tracker... but the mag isnt big enough and u spend most the time reloading.... meh weapon before buff
So slowly it really bugs me that gearbox always ruins the good weapons with patches!
I thought gearbox listen to the fans, we should all boycott this!
Moxsy can we do anything about it?
Hey Moxsy, really powerful setup for Masterwork handbow: stick a marshmallow on a boss, use from the shadows, shoot the marshmallow. The marshmallow ricochets if you crit it. Use wrath of nature and play the angles from spore warden, its a golden boss killer for me.
I have to say that the Queen's Cry is still very good even nerfed, specially with the taser mode...
Ssshhhh don’t mention the queens cry here… gearbox gonna nerf that shit again if they see people enjoying the stabbo interaction
@@timbahr1792 dont need to overreact.
Honestly only two guns got hit hard, and they both still doing good lol
We don’t talk about Queen’s Cry no no no we don’t talk about Queen’s Crrrrryyyyy…
@@STALKER777LK not an over reaction gearbox always nerfs shit that has unintended interactions and right now that tazer mod procing executioners blade hundreds of times in one charge is absolutely not an intended interaction and will almost certainly be removed once they find out about it.
And no offense to mox here but he recently became one of gearbox softwares sponsored main coverage players so they 1000% watch his content.
And as a side note tf you mean both guns are still good? The liquid cooling is utter shit now
My non-chaotic liquid cooling does just slightly less than nothing now. I love how little gearbox learned from BL3; on some level you have to admire their unwillingness to change. 😂
To be fair the liquid cooling was carrying most peoples builds to chaos 20. It needed to be nerfed. Now 65% was a little much for sure, but it still needed to happen. I don’t want to see wonderlands turn into everyone using the same couple guns. There for a while BL3 was nothing but plasma coils and light shows.
@@joshthatpandaguy5025 oh I definitely agree it was overpowered; I also agree with the fact that gearbox is wayyy too heavy-handed when it comes to balancing. That's why I never call for nerfs in borderlands games specifically, I'd rather let build diversity come about organically rather then by force. The player base being paranoid about using alternate builds when those may get nerfed also isn't really a fun way to play
Couldn't agree more. They have learned very little from BL3. They really be nerfing shit into the ground, it's ridiculous.
Yes it was single handedly the one piece that got me through over half of the chambers. It definitely doesn't need to be this good. It makes using other guns feel frustrating and not usefull
@@emanuelemanuel7038 it sounds like the other guns should've gotten a buff then. Purple/legendary weapons definitely shouldn't feel frustrating to use.
Ayyy let's go. Thanks for the video
The only time I can use liquid cooling is when I go full frost damage build. Otherwise it’s a struggle
Same, but I'm happy about the Gluttony buff (even though it Prolly didnt need it) since I'm doing a dark magic gun build with spellshot/stabbomancer
Sporceror, Buffmeister, Winged Guns, and All Damage Dealt buffs. I ran Chaos (Anarchy, Critical Connoisseur, 2x Crit). A Solo Chaos ran in 18m at 35, and finished all challenges and extra boss dead before first orb. Ty for your vids, it changed my build a lot.
My purple masher pistol is now my go to. Not gonna one shot bosses or anything but it’s great damage and it’s consistent. Hopefully snipers get some more love.
I ran a purple 🟣 masher volatile before I got a liquid cooling. It's still very strong, imo it gets slept on. Not sure if there's a legendary version, but pookies chew toy was very good, no idea why it was nerfed substantially.
queen's cry on sporceror is extremely strong even after the nerf to it. You just have to have to have as many items that increase spell damage like the zap roll on buffmeister and have your spellshot power pretty high to get as much spell damage from spellweaving stacks (mine's at 59%) and you should be doing more damage than what the liquid cooling did pre patch with a spore zrrker build. only real downside is that it eats through ammo pretty quickly
spore zerker using queens? interesting... whats your roll on queen, mine has like 24zip rockets and is an x2 barrel
@@ThePolarpop It's sporewarden/spellshot build and the gun has a x2 barrel and a taser but I never use it
Thanks for the videos moxsy. I am really slow and these videos really help me improve.
only been at the game for 2 weeks and have only gotten to mayhem 3. on one character.
Ruby's Spite got hit hard and even using the buffmiester glitch, it took forever to kill anything to proc its special ability on chaos 20
So true. My one complaint with the Ruby before the nerf was that it felt weak until it procs its ability. Now it feels even worse and I don’t understand why they did it.
Whats the buffmeister glitch?
@@glueggelz3997 If you're using spellshots ambihextrous skill, you can put the buffmeister in the second spell slot and a high damaging spell in the first spell spot. When you activate the buffmeister, it glitches and applies damage from the left spell slot onto your bullets instead of using the buffmeisters added damage, so you deal massive damage. If you find a 4-5k damaging spell, it applies that extra damage to every pellet your gun shoots, so it's sort of like the bee and conference call from bl2
@@joshthatpandaguy5025 because gearbox will be gearbox. Judging off of their track record, this is only the beginning.
If using the Lightning strikes you can look for the ice spikes, or look for the missing head and talking butt of the one who nerfed them in the first place.
While 40 seems like a generic place holder to maybe see other weapon data or how to do less next time. I don't usually like to see nerfs.
I really don't want it where in BL3 legendaries we're like 10 levels higher than the purple variants so you many times ONLY use legendaries.
Miss the days when you can be level 50+ in Vanilla BL and be happy running around with a White Jakobs Masher. And at times you get that here in Wonderlands.
They gutted the Liquid Cooling…..35% nerf and it would be useable on bosses…65% it’s a total struggle…1200 rounds and you might not down even Zomboss…. Still fine for mobbing but they really eliminated it as a bossing option for many of the bosses. Over reaction and over nerf for one of the funnest guns in the game….shame.
I'm still using it man, still shreds for me
That's Gearbox for you. Meanwhile when the first DLC drops it'll have a pistol that does triple the damage of the Liquid Cooling in it because that's how shit goes lol
@@kevinuikhoven you are just a better shot than me….;). Seriously at chaos level 20 with any kind of medium or hard modifiers the gun is a shadow of what it was. I would have been fine with knocking it down a notch. But what they did was cut the legs out from underneath it.
@@trautsj except it will be an SMG LOL
@@johnrr6 Hell knowing how DLC weapons go in Borderlands these days it'll be both lol
After the liquid cooling nerf. It really fell down the top pistol list. If you're not using Brrzerker, you have to load up on frost damage and elemental damage boost to see close to pre nerf damage. But with a cryo auto magic you can absolutely melt bosses just like with the liquid cooling.
I hate how it's been seen as a nerf when it was a bug fix the lq was getting the damage scaling of a sniper instead of a pistol
Appreciate the video, Moxsy the real one keeping the community alive.
Small rant towards devs: Whenever it comes to Gearbox’s nerfs they’re the absolute worst. I don’t mind nerfs but explain to us the ones that seem unnecessary to us.
I don’t understand WHY they nerf guns in a single player game. Let us be OP and have fun goddamn smh
@@darkhaven9119 it’s a matter of encouragement from devs to use alternative builds, weapons, etc, but the way they go about it is definitely not executed right
@@BigSexyBlackMans why do the devs care how we play. I BOUGHT the game with my own money, the devs need to FUCK OFF and let me and the rest of us play how we WANT to play.
@@BigSexyBlackMans how about they buff all the shit people aren’t using? That would encourage people to try other builds and weapons. Just nerfing everything makes the game not fun and ruins it.
@@darkhaven9119 buffing everything will just cause more problems. Once everything is op, they have to buff the rest of the game so it’s not stupidly easy. That basically becomes a backwards nerf. Nerfing something is 100x easier and keeps the balance in the game.
Saw a build for from the shadows in a stabbo/brrzerker set up that utilizes blood of the fallen capstone on brrzerker to keep up from the shadows as long as you're getting kills, could be really great with the masterwork post nerf.
i hate the masterwork handbow nerf!!! it was my fav weapon
With the Gluttony when you’re below 50% health you’re shots are all amped (the barrel glows red)
Ya he shoudve done the same thing with the arc torrent would’ve been better
The Arc Torrent is easily my biggest disappointment in this patch. There was no need for that nerf.
Cheers for the updates....appreciate your hard work. I still find it impossible to work out damage comparisons as there isnt an overall score to know if one gun damages more than another (like using fire rate vs damage or how it compares with your personal stat increases. (unless you are merely upgrading what you have). This is so annoying, especially when you have over 50 guns drop in a chaos run.
Pandecium plate pairs best with white rider for huge poison bursts. Executioners blade slapping salmon of mirth equals all the dots and nova procs
The glutnee pistol is a nice little reference to full metal alchemist where the theme and principle of the show was equivalent of exchange and glutnee is one of the characters
Dude gone a long way! All my respect to you Moxsy you really earned my twitch sub! (I'm kinda mad at myself for not subbing earlier cuz back in the BL3 Days you've been the go2guy) Keep up the amazing work. Greetings from Germany
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Well that’s great to hear the automatic is even better I love that gun never had the liquid cooling but I always enjoyed the automatic it can tear through stuff.
gimme a mistdancer build, my guy. i’m running one right now and just feel like my damage is subpar.
Same here man, *mist dancer is stabbo spore for all wondering*
Also running that as my first char and feel the same.
I mean yeah sure I can get stuff done but something feels off or I'm missing something idk.
Already tried Spore+Brzerker that was somewhat better but now with the Liquid Cooling nerf I went back to Stabbo since I'm using various guns now not just Frost based ones.
I feel like Mistdancer only really works with a melee build. PTA and FTS are kinda counter-productive to each other.
I was hoping you'd do this thank you
Remember the good times where op stuff existed and gearbox just said
"Ya thats ok."
Me to sadly that was years ago.
I love your video's, and I always feel that I leave more informed then when I got here. Only one complain, audio level is a bit too low I feel. I have my volume at max and you're a tad louder than a whisper to me. Other than that, great work!
I love how I’ve spent over 24 hrs farming for a build finally got the rolls to drop and now notice it’s needed lol 😂 still better then everything else I’ve used by a mile which is annoying they don’t need major major buffs why are like 98 percent of the weapons garbage in end game for a sporesplosion build
With the deathless claw if I even get touched by any dot damage it downs me instantly it was the same with borderlands 3 but in b3 if you slide while ticking from dot it will down you or even just crouch but I feel like it's worse in wonderlands!
Dude this explains so much omfg😲
Amazing updates and best Chanel for updates
Will you please release a spore warden/stabbomancer build and go over everything you did to make you be able to use barrage so often and show the best gear that’s out for that class. I like your videos the best and no one else has dropped a video that makes my class the way I seen with your gameplay. Flak was my favorite bl3 character and I’m wanting it to be kind of like that. I love your videos man. Best borderlands content creator by far. Keep up the great work
Queen's Cry is crazy. It's still crazy. Wipes entire rooms in seconds.
Equivalent exchange always puts you at 50%. If you're lower than 50% it brings your health up, if not, it goes down to 50%>
The carrouser is actually insane, i was already playing it before with a fade crit build and it was really good but now ... i get 240/250k crit in the head easely, it's insane.
does it scale off spell damage somehow? cuz my spellshot graveborn without the bugged talent tried the 1 i got w a shit enchant on it in chaos 20 and was 1shotting mobs sometimes lol
@@ThePolarpop mmmh idk, who knows in this game ahah. My setup is fairly optimized (right enchants, etc) and i do around 240/270k crit in the head and 125/140k with a body crit in fade with the right set up (it one shot everything beside boss basically). I'm using the basic spell damage set up in my second spellshot second tree so maybe it deal some spell damage.
The unique passiv make monster attacks other monster so it's not related to spell at all so idk.
@@plopcha hmm..idk which way this makes me lean on it then lol i think i was hitting 120k crits area?
Can the White Rider provide melee crowd control like the Live Wire? Wondering about switching to double beam for that. Theoretically, you'd get all the damage while using mine of the ammo
Double beam sucks.
id love if it had a live wire esq effect
I still disagree with the Nightshade and Liquid cooling even before the nerf the Nightshade was doing far more damage than the liquid cooling. One thing to note my Nightshade is a blue non chaotic and volatile with no enchantment and my Liquid cooling was a 2x and had 30% extra frost on spell cast and my Nightshade still did way more dmg. I stand by what I say and have done my own testing so I know which is better.
Atm my purple nightshade DESTROYS the liquid cooling
Moxsy !!!!! I found a GLITCH SPOT in the arena for fighting parasite, its my only upload if you could take a look at it, you could even make a vid on it. Only the parasites throwables can touch you besides that its a free kill.
oh man that spot is cracked
they gonna patch that for sure
good stuff
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Seeing that clip of the Arc Torrent just makes me sad. I don't understand why they nerfed them considering they had previously stated the Impaling Ice Spikes were bugged, nerfed them, then reverted it, yet they nerf the Arc Torrent instead and didn't touch the Ice Spikes. Gearbox logic. 🙄
theyre doing the blizzard strategy. anything fun and strong? NERF that simple
@@glueggelz3997 ice spike was and still is bugged
They applied a hot fix to try and rectify it but it created another problem where I’ve spoke stopped dealing damage *at all* in some instances, so rather than break the spell entirely they reverted the hot fix
They’ve already stated that they’ll be rectifying the actual issue shortly with another hot fix or patch
I've been using a Fragment Rain that drops into Hydras on reloads; to me it seems to do more damage then the automactic, reload is quick, and the bounce effect of the bullets hitting everything makes it so so good for mobbing;
same i got a x5 cryo with hydras fucking slaps
with my grave spore build
@@DjinnShots do spellshot/graveborn if you want even more gun damage with good companion dmg
I'm so tilted about the cloudburst arc torrents...makes me worried what theyre going to do to ice spikes soon....
Can we get a build that doesn't involve the stabomancer or spell shot. I feel like both of these are broke and or kind of boring 2nd class
Spore warden/graveborn companion builds wreck C20 runs & bosses
@@ermagherd1204 you got a link to a build?
@@ermagherd1204 that's what I'm using and I absolutely love it!
@@ermagherd1204 I was watching a video with a nuking grave own berserker with sacrifice and high healthgate. Then I started to find the spells, weapons and melee enhancing damage after. I'm not endgame like the guy on the vid, but got the berserker capstone like recommended.
It's a fun mobbing build. For my 22 level guy the obelisk are pretty funny just eliminating all who pop out. The capstone resets with the wipe.
Of course the newbie enchants I was mentioning above could be fun with the berserker slam and work in tandem.
@@ermagherd1204 I went from C10 to C20 with this last night, then went to play today with the exact same setup and can barely get through the first couple phases of a C20. Don’t know if something was bugged last night, today, or a nerf lol. Sucks because it was a lot of fun.
Been using your spore warden / brr-zerker build with liquid cooling and it's still good with liquid cooling. But I'm curious about your spore / stabbo build since liquid cooling got de-buffed. My favorite class is spore warden and was wondering if you had any combinations with this class coming out onto RUclips soon?
it feels like they want the build to dictate ur weapon damage and the liquid cooling u could use a poop build and still melt the map. I feel like this game even more than borderlands games that knowing how to do builds is extremely important because at chaos 20 this game can be very hard for a bad build
yeah so my feeling was right on the arc torrent build :( this is pretty sad because on the first look it sounded like they would have got a small buff but now they are not really worth using by any means just because of the channel time. why should you use a spell where you cant do anything for like 2-3s and dont even do enough dmg to kill badasses if you have a bunch of skills that can be used instantly and do more dmg. i dont know why gearbox is so fast in destroying the fun in a brand new game. if they would have waited until the first dlc where we hopefully get some cool new spells and weapons it would not have bothered the community that much
The Carrouser is so good I have been getting it from the obelisk boss in the current featured run. I love it on my spellshot stabo!
The carrouser saved my ass during a chaos chamber run. Made the map elite and it was full of ettins and badass trolls. Stuck a bunch of them (had bolts increase melee damage) and watched the infighting
We needed this thx moxey so much
When you run the double spells with buff meister build sporcerer with a 80% bonus to spell damage from buff meister which more spell damage you have more bonus gun damage you get. Add in all the bonus damage multipliers from on spell cast and the liquid cooling gun 280x2 will still melt faster than any other gun.. even on bosses yeah it’s a tad bit slower but what makes the gun the best you don’t need to reload ever which still gives you the highest sustain weapon in the game. I was killing bosses before with like 25% of the mag with 780 weapon damage now it does 560 for the 280x2 it still melts Fast like half a second slower I’m using about 40% of the mag now instead of 25% you just have to run it with the right build where before you could just use it with any build and it worked…
That build will literally make a level 1 gun work, because the majority of the damage you deal is from the Buffmeister bug and not your actual gun.
If you have to use the buffmeister bug your not good at the game bro, that's just the facts sorry to break it to ya...
@@jamiehalfkin5813 lmao yeah your not good at a pve game.. where there are many builds that are overpowered for chaos lv 20.. okay good logic there bud! Even without the buffmeister sporcerer is still one of the strongest builds in the game.. you can one shot bosses with double spells… you don’t even need buffmeister. Your spells already 1 shot every badass you fight on chaos 20 zzzz… It also has the highest gun damage in the game without buff meister do to how spell power buffs your guns spell stacks buff your guns and using two spells buff your gun damage.. buff meister even without the big part and your just adding the bonus 80% spell damage which boost your gun damage more
With how spell shot works… using it in your main spell slot without the bug by using it in second spell slot still melts eveything..
@@lihavalokki5705 using buff meister in second spell slot causes the bug when you use it in main spell slot it doesn’t your just getting the bonus 80% spell damage which boost your gun damage with how spell shot works. You don’t have to exploit the bug to still melt bosses instantly with this build. Just don’t use the buff meister in second slot.
@@emjaythegreat22 cant compare LC performance to a spell glitch rly thats just any weapon with good fire rate or weapon that makes companions
Are you still using the same pistol on Deadshot? Spellshot+Graveborn? or is there something better? since I don't see the pistol with wings apart of this video.
I saw twitch chat tell me to say this so i will
Moxsy, touch grass
Arc torrent nerf is the saddest nerf of them all, LC is a little sad but now you can use many other good weapons, but for spell now if your not using an ice spell your not killing anything.
Enemy density is very lackluster. Very basic stuff, like the dice...should have been fixed at play testing...who tested this and said the dice not being shared...was a good idea? Who tested this and said, enemy density is great!
I disagree with you
@@marquisepixley684 I respect your opinion.
@@Nhawk316 think you
Riby's spite does take more ammo to put things down now but doesn't fell like it was hit TOO hard. Still a great mobbing weapon (definitely enjoying it still on my graveborn-spellshot combo since I constantly add extra elements to all my guns)
I was in a match with 2 people from oc I think. One guy was using a gun that looked like it shot a row of 5 green arrow from it and he was one shotting everything in the hardest difficulties of the chamber. Idk what it was.
Gluttony is great if you have an echo effect on a melee weapon during a melee build.
Edit: echo stacks with the self damage of gluttony
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On the intro the subtitles read "alright guys Mike's normal lense video" 🤣🤣
Idk why but today I got like over 40 Carrousers
Was using the Sawmill on a Spell Zerker before this fix. Definitely looking for a level appropriate one after, mine is a lv 31. Its GREAT for Bossing with a Buffmeister and 11+ stacks of Spell Weaving.
Awesome video!
It's an epic but the Scalawag skulldugger pistol is extremely good right now. I have a x3 version that's also multiplied by crossbolts in the target and it is deleting enemies. It's basically a slower firing, non-nerfed liquid cooling.
I’ve noticed that purples tend to outshine most legendaries in this game, for the most part legendaries have more gimmicks than uses.
I farmed LeChance over 70 times yesterday to try to get the swordsplosion but I got literally every other weapons BESIDES that one. Every other boss ive farmed for a specific weapon I have gotten it. But LeChance doesn’t seem to be dropping that weapon assigned to him for some reason.
I got an automagic before update. Didn't like it. But hadn't sold it yet. Saw the update and i liked it after using it currently for mobbing.
On spell/grave
the gluttony on my deathless clawbringer spellshot helped me melt all the bosses, i blew through chaos 6-20 today
Yes dude, yes, I've been using this weapon since the nerf. That pistol is a beast bro.
@moxsy what gear are you running to make your frost automatic.exe hit 250k? Mike doesn't even hit 50k
Is it possible to get ANY class to this level of damage? Or is it only specific classes or class combos that allow this insane amount of damage? I currently run a summoner build using graveborn and spore and i feel like i have pretty decent gear but I don't kill enemies in chaos mode nearly this fast no matter what I try
I’m legitimately using 3 chaotic automagic with different elements & then a livewire as the 4th weapon. I’m just decimating everything with my spellshot/stabbo build in chaos 20.
Okay but chaos 20 is a low difficulty
@@ryor619 this was 4 months ago… when chaos 20 was the highest difficulty available 😅
@@Mentalmatt14 so was my comment
@@ryor619 your comment says 6 hours ago for me 🤣
@@Mentalmatt14 weird
What I always hated about tediore.. or feriore is how their better being used as a grenade not a gun..
@moxsy #moxsy is Liquid Cooling still the best Frost weapon for Frost shiver builds? Automagic seems to do more damage, but not apply Frost as quickly.
Get the purple sootcough x5 ricochet and dmg per arrow. That shreds bosses and mobs like no other. So far the strongest pistol I have ever used
the gluttony takes 50% health on throw, but only when at full health. if not at full health then it takes no health on throw. i believe, may be wrong, saying this from memory
Could you make a video on a good Clawbringer build? Any builds I find are pre-hotfix where they killed the awe perk and feels like now my only option to stay viable is making a whole new character
Liquid cooling still works for me still but im teally bummed its nerfed sooo much. My x4 frost nightshade feels like it hits harder though. Built my Spell-Graveborn with Frost and spell enchants, the ability to hit crits forever with it resets my impaling ice spike a lot! I always have it. Chaos 11 right now!
Why would cloudburst AND concentrated magic need a nerf...
The automatic exe and a dahl purple 4X pellet smg are the best guns. Literally everything else is worthless or not worth going to CL35. After nerf everything became raid level strong. All my gear can't even crack a final Cc boss shield by 10% overall gearbox doesn't give a crap about the fans. This game was definitely a got damn cash grab.
I wish youd quickly include where to obtain these weapons; which bosses to farm for example?
The Carrouser was my first legendary sniper drop and is probably my favorite weapon in the game
Not sure how many people have actually noticed but if you play the game offline all the buffs and nerfs from the last patch are reversed. So sniper go back down and handbows go back up
Yea thats how hotfixes work. It was the same way in borderlands 3.
Plus when offline there is 1 lengendary in each vendor
I surprisingly did 142k dark magic damage with the gluttony in c20. With graveborn spell shot build
As always Gearbox loves to thank all you RUclipsrs for showing us the meta by hitting it all with the Nerf bat. So then once again RUclips is a double edged sword. As I expected, I might as well have just waited until the game released on steam so it would be up to speed on balances and bugs.
Yeah I've been using automatic all day
Dark magic Automagic with spore explosion is really good. What I use.
Think you're the only Borderlands/Wonderlands RUclipsr that is still positive lol, thanks for that
i got a throwable hole volatile pistol and it absolutely melts everything on my graveborn/spell shot, dont know if it was buffed or not but its one of best guns i run right now
@Moxsy any tips on killing Dryl on Chaos 17... Boss is absurd.
I still have not found a liquid cooling doing constant featured runs
So does the 2x ammo per shot actually deal more damage even tho it’s not 2x damage roll? I got a volatile 2x ammo per shot but I figured it was trash.lol
i hoenstly hope they dont butcher icespikes, I run a high health/ health recov. And loose some damage pieces. i don't die and dish out 70-90k damage. these min max builds are tough, because there nerfin metas not everyone uses that are just using these type of builds as a baseline and branching of like myself.
Nobody really used ruby spite that's why the enrf is so random it was good but it's effect also didn't work too well with buffmeister since the gun needed the kill to proc the effect not buffmeister dmg. Sucks they buffed dark magic guns then nerfed this one
Got about 6 or 7 Automagics from CC last night. Safe to say I now have options 😂
10 runs one hour ago - 2 crap kegendaries - no automagic.
I manage only chaos 15 runs - no idea how to compensate this damn nerf. :-(
Ima be real I didn’t even notice the gluttony taking health on every chuck. Would explain now why I go into save your soul because the gluttony on the gloom bringer class hits for 7-8 mil on throw
RIP icespikes next patch
What do you recommend for shields I can't find a good gun for shields 😣
Any word if they’re going to fix the weapon type sorting in the inventory cause it’s really annoying?
Ruby’s spite went from good to one of the worst pistols lmao
Cloudburst arc torrent was nerfed hard. They're in my bank now.