I don't *want* to use React Native

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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
  • React Native doesn't build the best apps, but I would choose it over building 2 apps with Swift/Kotlin for iOS/Android store.
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  • @kunal_chand
    @kunal_chand 3 года назад +408

    I just come here to hear Ben ASMR

  • @theTweak0284
    @theTweak0284 3 года назад +340

    "There are some developers out there that will write you an app in assembly and it just comes out slower than a python interpreter"

  • @james3742
    @james3742 3 года назад +871

    I don't want to use React Native(as a millionaire)

    • @kolya7921
      @kolya7921 3 года назад +40

      TechLead’s line

    • @thisbevibhor
      @thisbevibhor 3 года назад +5

      More like Clement mihilsenoughAlready with the AlgoExpert plug.

    • @johngoldman767
      @johngoldman767 3 года назад +4

      Lol... toasted....

    • @volttideify
      @volttideify 3 года назад +24

      But are you a divorced tech lead that was working for fb?

    • @MdShamimRahman
      @MdShamimRahman 3 года назад +2

      He is great teacher, I don't know why he used that title, whatever.

  • @Manivelarino
    @Manivelarino 3 года назад +170

    I feel like developer experience is severely underrated. The power of having a single codebase way outweights any performance or size costs you add imo. Especially in 2020 when everyone is dropping support for any device more than 10 years old.

    • @twerkyfingers
      @twerkyfingers 2 года назад +6

      companies don't and don't need to optimise experience for developers. they want best experience for the users.

    • @aurelianspodarec2629
      @aurelianspodarec2629 2 года назад +1

      Companies should optimize user experience for the user...
      Just a few performance issues on react native for the user means the company is going to lose millions of dollars, so its actually cheaper to have two teams.

    • @Goremachine
      @Goremachine Год назад +3

      Your opinion is wrong IMO. Hyrbrid frameworks are always frustrating as hell to work with, full native is a way better development experience and it yields a superior product. The only reason to go hybrid is if the business is on a shoestring budget or cannot find competent enough programmers.

    • @aurelianspodarec2629
      @aurelianspodarec2629 Год назад

      @@Goremachine Yeah, antoher fun thing is some devs need to write native code and abstract it with react native xd imagine

    • @jeffGordon852
      @jeffGordon852 3 месяца назад

      "a single codebase way outweights" You mean a single codebase that has Javascript AND Swift AND Kltlin code? Yeah 3 codebase in one, and pretend it's fine

  • @indycinema
    @indycinema 3 года назад +136

    "It's the way things are, life sucks" - New React Native Slogan.

  • @usmansbk
    @usmansbk 3 года назад +48

    Zuck is a computer lizard though

  • @bapple7844
    @bapple7844 3 года назад +18

    I think that native development should be done just to know what react native is abstracting, but I feel like in a year react native will be able to create apps that can contend with native development

  • @moose43h
    @moose43h 3 года назад +95

    bro you scared me in the beginning

  • @lxghtless
    @lxghtless 3 года назад +248

    I’m a WET programmer. It’s so much easier.

    • @addnab
      @addnab 3 года назад +157

      Write Everything Thrice

    • @volmehen
      @volmehen 3 года назад +68

      Why even try?

    • @shehr-yar7135
      @shehr-yar7135 3 года назад +21

      These thirsty bots are getting smarter

    • @roselpadilla
      @roselpadilla 3 года назад +3

      @@volmehen I felt that...

    • @fullstack_journey
      @fullstack_journey 3 года назад +5

      Write Extra Tests?

  • @davidbasil3161
    @davidbasil3161 3 года назад +34

    This guy looks like he's always smiling or about to laugh

  • @ReadTheCommentFirst
    @ReadTheCommentFirst 3 года назад +10

    Probably worth revisiting now that Flutter for web is production ready.

  • @hououinkyouma5372
    @hououinkyouma5372 3 года назад +9

    I just recently built my first app in React Native and this video makes me very happy

  • @MarvinTurner
    @MarvinTurner 3 года назад +11

    What I’ve been hearing that interests me is companies making apps that are native but utilize React Native for specific views (like a profile view, or a view that fetches and displays rows of data).
    I believe I read that Airbnb is one of the proponents of this approach.

  • @YunisRajab
    @YunisRajab 3 года назад +10

    Performance is less of an issue everyday when you carry a super computer in your pocket

  • @rohankapur5776
    @rohankapur5776 3 года назад +48

    Honestly I prefer Flutter over React Native but I see why people choose RN.

    • @handsanitizer2457
      @handsanitizer2457 3 года назад +2

      yeah I've been using flutter, it's missing a few things but it's getting there

    • @burakkosova8481
      @burakkosova8481 3 года назад

      ​@@handsanitizer2457 I've been learning flutter for a week and i don't have any development experience so i can't even compare them what do you think should i switch to rn for adapting to web easily in future or just stick to flutter

    • @StarBattle08
      @StarBattle08 3 года назад +3

      @@burakkosova8481 just stick to flutter. But, it's up to you. I just started learning flutter a few days ago and i'm used to react native (not saying that i'm an expert at it). But for me, since rn use javascript, it was easier for me to learn.

    • @burakkosova8481
      @burakkosova8481 3 года назад +1

      @@StarBattle08 yeah committing to one technology would be better i guess thank you

    • @rifaldhiaw
      @rifaldhiaw 3 года назад

      For me personally, I prefer RN because Flutter uses Dart which is OOP. While in RN I can use something like ReasonML for FP. IMO writing logic is way more crucial than building UI

  • @nickaguirre2196
    @nickaguirre2196 Год назад +3

    4:11 this totally opened my eyes to why I absolutely need to use React and React Native for my personal project. This alone saves so much time and work for solo devs.

  • @linusjoensson8219
    @linusjoensson8219 3 года назад +3

    One of the better 30 second intros I´ve seen on RUclips. Well done.

  • @TheGains
    @TheGains 3 года назад +43

    As a flutter dev I have to say that the code sharing between native apps and web is actually very easy now. Flutter web is still in beta so it has some quirks that you have to account for but for the most part it's a very smooth experience between mobile and web (I would argue that more so than with react native and web). Obviously for companies it's much easier to find react devs and put them to work with react native with very small amount of time needed for adjustment which is probably react native's biggest asset right now compared to competition.

    • @mattwilliams1844
      @mattwilliams1844 2 года назад +2

      Not to mention transpiling for desktops is also quite easy, (quirks as well) but still

    • @HonestCode
      @HonestCode Год назад +4

      Good luck with SEO on your flutter app

    • @junetxpid2425
      @junetxpid2425 Год назад

      @@HonestCode you mean google play SEO? lol

  • @casualcomputing
    @casualcomputing 3 года назад +5

    If you do Flutter you can make the website in the time you saved using Flutter. I have made two production apps using RN, and am now about halfway in my first Flutter app. My impression so far is that if developing an app natively for iOS and Android is 2, then React Native is about 1.5. Flutter feels more like 0.8 so far.
    As long as you develop CRUD apps with mostly just forms and standard widgets you'll probably be OK with either, but when it is time for slippy maps and video playback I had serious headaches with RN, especially on the Android side.

  • @dataluchs1288
    @dataluchs1288 3 года назад +6

    thanks for that, I share your opinion, I think many developers are also just missing the business side of code and digital tech in general - just beeing able to move to the market faster with a smaller team and a shared codebase enables organizations to stay more flexible, especially in highly uncertain market environments, which is a huge benefit for me from a business innovation and transformation perspective.

  • @thomasdavid9725
    @thomasdavid9725 3 года назад +26

    senator, we run ads

  • @FilipCodes
    @FilipCodes 3 года назад +6

    More react tutorials please. Love ya Ben

  • @eunicebeji8254
    @eunicebeji8254 3 года назад +17

    You just made my day better Ben !
    Love from Nigeria.

  • @mrbam8833
    @mrbam8833 3 года назад +15

    The real question is do you make more money as a RUclipsr or as a Dev?

  • @bru6626
    @bru6626 3 года назад +4

    The first part gave me enough motivation to continue watching.

  • @Proloyable
    @Proloyable 3 года назад +2

    I 100% agree. It is not about native vs hybrid or kotlin/swift vs react native/flutter it is about having a common standard for a common app. And after all this time we still do not have that that's what crazy.

  • @wcharun2141
    @wcharun2141 3 года назад +7

    2:17 I literally just died over here. Best content of coding history bruh.

  • @paulkre
    @paulkre 3 года назад +2

    I just found this channel and it’s my favorite now.

  • @arashitempesta
    @arashitempesta 3 года назад +14

    the main advantage right now with react native is that you have something like expo, which is a godsend. "want to test your app without having to bend the knee and suck apple? no problem bro, here, download this little client on your ios device, log with your expo account and you will see your project currently in dev or on the release channel you want to test, go ahead have fun", "on android too? kay buddy do the same there".
    "oh ready to make a build? kk, dont worry bruh, I will build and compile that for you on the cloud, just sit tight I will send you the artifact for the download".
    on top of the fact you have release channels where you can tell certain builds to only receive updates from a staging channel, production channel etc, it really raises you up to speed.
    Disadvantages however are what you would expect, need to configure that low level shenanigans? want to add a native library that is not currently in the expo managed workflow? good luck buddy, see if you can work around that, if not welp, you can always eject and keep using the channels and the other expo libraries that are compatible with the bare workwflow but now the config and compiling for each platform is on you.
    meanwhile in flutter, ionic and others, there is nothing akin to that yet as far as I know. The react community is both a blessing and a curse sometimes.

    • @hououinkyouma5372
      @hououinkyouma5372 3 года назад +1

      I've just started app dev and have really been enjoying all the stuff that expo makes easier for newbs like me. However, I can't figure out how to reduce apk size after builds no matter how hard I look.
      People tell me to just copy paste sources from the expo project over to a "react-native init" project but how will I get the expo libraries I imported originally without expo? This has been such a headache. Made a simple audio playing app as my first one and it had a bloated 58 MBs apk x_x

    • @arashitempesta
      @arashitempesta 3 года назад +1

      @@hououinkyouma5372 there is no way around the size of an app build from expo, that is one of the drawbacks too, all of those are in the documentation.
      The app is big because expo by default includes all the binaries and native configs for anything you might need from expo so you can just use expo publish without worry, that also means there might be a lot of code you dont really need so in return you get a really thicc app.
      They are aware of such shortcomings and have been saying they are working on trying to customize such behavior to only include what you need and such but yeah, if you really need to shave off that size you would need to eject, and that suggestion they gave you make sense, you can take all your code you have right now and just migrate it to a plain codebase, but it would be easier to just use expo eject, it will give you all the configurations for ios and android and you wont need to track which libraries you need to install again and such.
      Of course if either you eject or take the codebase to a react native init one, you still need to check which expo libraries you were using and check if they are avaiable outside the managed workflow. The most common ones are avaiable, at the end of the day, when you use expo install, its just an npm package that makes sure that whatever you might end up installing, is compatible with the expo sdk version you are using, check the eject section in the docs so you can make a well thought decision.

    • @hououinkyouma5372
      @hououinkyouma5372 3 года назад

      @@arashitempesta Thanks for the advice! I didn't know about the eject option for expo. Will surely look into it. Also, I read on a stackoverflow post that some libraries aren't available through expo and one would need to download them from a simple react native project. If that's true, then wouldn't getting too used to expo be detrimental to one's experience in the long run? Sorry for the questions, I'm just curious 😅

    • @arashitempesta
      @arashitempesta 3 года назад

      ​@@hououinkyouma5372 expo install uses npm under the hood, expo install is an utility to make sure that the packages you are downloading are at the correct supported version for your expo sdk. Example, react native webview needs native configurations below, that is why its included in the expo documentation because the expo team included those configs for you so you can use that library if you need it. if the library uses only JS there is no problem.
      And the detrimental part well yes, expo abstracts all the configurations you would need to learn, maintain and configure for the platforms you are targeting. Its like create react app, under the hood it configures babel, webpack and such so you can just start coding and set up all the base functionality, if later you need to configure those low level configs, eject and do it but at that point it means you now have to bite the bullet and learn how to do that.
      It all comes down to what you need and time, if you can just use expo because it fulfils all your requirements there is nothing wrong with going with it and not bothering learning the platform specific configs. It all comes down to weighting the pros and cons for each option.

  • @levi4thon
    @levi4thon 3 года назад +2

    Those big companies that have both Android and iOS teams also use React Native because they like to manage three code bases: Swift, Kotlin and React.

  • @tyfoodsforthought
    @tyfoodsforthought 3 года назад +5

    This introduction had me rolling 😂
    Great video! 🔥

  • @gauravdwivedi2829
    @gauravdwivedi2829 3 года назад +18

    Plz make advance tutorials videos frequently ....

    • @hardikb562
      @hardikb562 3 года назад

      True that

    • @usmansbk
      @usmansbk 3 года назад +7

      He did a 14 hours video that could have been a two weeks video

    • @levi4thon
      @levi4thon 3 года назад +1

      @@usmansbk and it probably took him a few months to make.

  • @CodingAfterThirty
    @CodingAfterThirty 3 года назад +2

    Love this video, was fun to watch and legitimate advice.

  • @bryanurizar
    @bryanurizar 3 года назад +6

    Ben, you’re awesome.

  • @vocalizeAI
    @vocalizeAI 3 года назад +3

    You can get a mvp for all plataforms much faster with react native

  • @DinoFancellu
    @DinoFancellu Год назад +1

    Flutter is really nice now, but there are simply MUCH fewer jobs than React Native. I learned Flutter for fun, and its very impressive, but I'm learning React Native now, for fun, and for the fact that there are lot more jobs that ask for it vs Flutter

  • @williamhenry661
    @williamhenry661 3 года назад +4

    I see a new Ben Awad video, I click. It’s simple.

  • @failist9570
    @failist9570 3 года назад +53

    Honestly, If you ask me why people prefer React Native over Java (Android) and Swift (IOS) is because the whole Javascript ecosystem and NPM. Your project gets setup in minutes, you don't have to worry about configuration and there are a lot of open source projects to get the job done!

    • @megatronusv2215
      @megatronusv2215 3 года назад +4

      Is this satire. Someone pinch me

    • @angry_moose94
      @angry_moose94 3 года назад +2

      that's called being a simp.

    • @SpaceTimeBeing_
      @SpaceTimeBeing_ 3 года назад +3

      it's kotlin. Java is dead for Android. Also there is kotlin multi-platform and jetpack compose coming up which could replace flutter by another year.

    • @megatronusv2215
      @megatronusv2215 3 года назад

      @@SpaceTimeBeing_ I was questioning if his preference for the React ecosystem was satire? What does that have to do with Kotlin or Flutter

    • @theoligarchist1503
      @theoligarchist1503 3 года назад +1

      what excuse does Kotlin has to not compile the same code into IOS native ?

  • @SamarthCat
    @SamarthCat 2 года назад +3

    I would use unity for ultimate platform support, it is technically a game engine but it can render UI really easily and it has great performance.

  • @michaelcallahan8412
    @michaelcallahan8412 3 года назад +1

    I know you aren't big on design Ben, but I think a video on how you plan and design your full stack projects would be super helpful. Your tutorials are great but you kinda just jump into it and I've always wondered what kind of planning it took to set you up for those. Thanks!

  • @raghavkanwal
    @raghavkanwal 3 года назад +8

    How about Ionic + React? I'm a filthy Angular dev so Ionic works for my use case, but Ionic announced support for React in around April.

    • @RadTwin
      @RadTwin 3 года назад +4

      I might be wrong but idk if ionic compiles to native. I think it is all in WebView? Not sure if that changed so in terms of performance not as good as react native

    • @sadhlife
      @sadhlife 3 года назад

      @@RadTwin it's still PWA

    • @pitisradu
      @pitisradu 3 года назад +1

      @@RadTwin yes its not native, still a webview but way faster than before. In terms of performance, yes, ofc its not as fast as RN but its also extremely easy to make apk or ipa with it

  • @maddada
    @maddada 3 года назад +28

    Ionic React is pretty good for most apps :) You can use the exact same code on all platforms (Web, Desktop, iOS, Android) - you don't code share, you use the exact same project for all of them.
    Flutter is alright but you need to learn a new framework and language (dart) to work on it, and as you mentioned, no code sharing.

    • @hagenlens1403
      @hagenlens1403 3 года назад +8

      I think the framework is very intuitive. Dart wasn't a problem for me to learn either coming from a JavaScript background. But I still don't really like dart. I would've loved to see Typescript with Flutter.
      TLDR: I love Flutter but hate Dart.

    • @daheck81
      @daheck81 3 года назад +3

      @@hagenlens1403 Whats wrong with Dart?

    • @samuelmcmurray3502
      @samuelmcmurray3502 3 года назад +1

      Dart is pretty easy

    • @maddada
      @maddada 3 года назад +1

      I like flutter, but hate having to keep in mind the quirks of yet another language. Having to switch my thinking between flutter+dart and react+typescript is very annoying.
      I usually stick to Ionic because it's sufficient for most apps.

    • @alexander_farkas
      @alexander_farkas 3 года назад +3

      @@maddada It's strange. I develop back-end with ts, mobile front-end with flutter, and it's easy to switch between them, 'cause they are so similar.

  • @OBLIVIOUSKARI
    @OBLIVIOUSKARI 3 года назад +3

    I hear that by end of year, react native will have an update that removes the bridge and Make it almost as fast as native

    • @km_youtube23
      @km_youtube23 3 года назад

      you got any sources? As a new level flutter dev I'm interested in React instead.

  • @chemedev
    @chemedev 3 года назад +4

    One of your best videos so far (well, I've watched < 10 but still)

  • @Alan-wl9xi
    @Alan-wl9xi 3 года назад +1

    Thanks so much for this video, as a beginner of web/app dev, it's really helpful to understand if React is a good choice if one person wants to build for both web/ios/android.

  • @wrongturn_w
    @wrongturn_w 2 года назад +1

    Would love to hear your take on flutter web now!

  • @grim.reaper
    @grim.reaper 3 года назад +4

    Angular Dart gonna be a disaster 🤣

  • @andreanonali4557
    @andreanonali4557 3 года назад +2

    This year I will go for JS for sure

    • @indraworks6050
      @indraworks6050 3 года назад

      Go flutter ,leave it react native :))))

    • @andreanonali4557
      @andreanonali4557 3 года назад

      @@indraworks6050 I said JS not react native:))))))))))))

  • @jiachen1078
    @jiachen1078 3 года назад +2

    Can’t agree more! Can you make a to tutorial on how to setup IAP with react native?

    • @jmitchell2464
      @jmitchell2464 3 года назад +1

      Lol and this is why you use native

    • @jiachen1078
      @jiachen1078 3 года назад

      @@jmitchell2464 good point. but after all, i still want to build it with react native. One reason i can't agree more is my website is already using react, so a lot of stuff can be shared (copy and paste) between two.

  • @mau5atron
    @mau5atron 3 года назад +21

    Used React Native at work to make apps for iOS and Android and I’d say it was a pretty bad experience. I’ve since moved to just native Objective-C.

  • @ivomuze
    @ivomuze 3 года назад +8

    I'm onto flutter because it's so much easier than Android, ios and react native. But yeah flutter web is not that good neither will be in the foreseeable future. But the mobile app will rapidly evolve to be much more than your site would ever be with web technology I guess. But yeah react native is not awful, I just discovered flutter because first, react native cached my eye because is the first hidrid tech to do something usable for mobile

    • @alexander_farkas
      @alexander_farkas 3 года назад

      @Vizman216 What? I've coded 250+ screens, and I never had to write conditions in layouts.
      If you're talking about same widgets that look different on iOS and android like in RN - remember, that RN UIs break every time, when underlying widgets change.

  • @joao.mag.freitas
    @joao.mag.freitas 3 года назад +2

    @Ben Awad you have full compatability in sharing code with Flutter apps and Flutter Web Apps or even just an web app with a JS library. Dart transpiles to Javascript if you use the correct approaches on your code to be fully dart and not depend on Flutter

  • @SouthernSeneca
    @SouthernSeneca 3 года назад +2

    Ben, thank you, I'm learning a lot from you

  • @ShahidFoy
    @ShahidFoy 3 года назад +1

    Good points, ionic framework is the future

  • @reinmulleradam5349
    @reinmulleradam5349 3 года назад +41

    Idk about your development as a programmer. But as an entertainer... steep AF 👌

    • @nathanielwoodbury2692
      @nathanielwoodbury2692 3 года назад +1

      His development is great lol

    • @reinmulleradam5349
      @reinmulleradam5349 3 года назад +2

      @@nathanielwoodbury2692 I just literally meant I have no clue about it :D

    • @jmitchell2464
      @jmitchell2464 3 года назад +4

      @@nathanielwoodbury2692 his an ok dev. React native over flutter give me a break. He's a dev that refuses to us anything but javascript/typescript - backend, frontend, mobile, driving, walking, skating

    • @xacobtrott9204
      @xacobtrott9204 3 года назад +4

      maybe you can see his one on one coding online challenge with William candillion, you will realize how sharp he is

    • @nathanielwoodbury2692
      @nathanielwoodbury2692 3 года назад +3

      @@xacobtrott9204 Yeah exactly, Ben has been coding for a long time and he’s really impressive.

  • @RomanKrawchenko
    @RomanKrawchenko Год назад +1

    With PWA you can basically download an app to your phone. Could you or someone elaborate more on why you think PWA might be worse way to develop a mobile app than React Native?

  • @arrowfunction3200
    @arrowfunction3200 3 года назад +3

    more react native content pls

  • @jlf_
    @jlf_ 3 года назад +10

    React Native is great for smaller projects where you don’t want to afford too much time. I code apps since 2014 (professionally) and native is still best, of course. But RN is neat to play!

  • @sachinelearning
    @sachinelearning 3 года назад +1

    Builds a website to share recipes........Brings up different types of Pasta in every video...........Damn! Ben is making me hungry!!! :D

  • @TechdubberStudios
    @TechdubberStudios 3 года назад +4

    Hilarious! Thank you for this. And yes, I completely agree.

  • @basiccodingwithadam8125
    @basiccodingwithadam8125 3 года назад +2

    Great explanation and thanks for speaking up for us react native believers

  • @ophir1982
    @ophir1982 3 года назад +1

    Wondering what's your take on Flutter now, ~6 months later - Flutter 2 is released with support for Mobile, Web and Desktop (Windows, Mac and Linux).
    You should do a follow up video...

  • @BharadwajRbwaj95
    @BharadwajRbwaj95 3 года назад +2

    Ben is my Person of the Year 2020.

  • @abhim6380
    @abhim6380 3 года назад +4

    You look so much like Alireza Firouzja, the chess guy

  • @vivekchauhan6937
    @vivekchauhan6937 3 года назад +2

    Hey, i love your intermediate level courses on youtube. So, any new course coming in near future?

  • @samnayakawadi
    @samnayakawadi Год назад

    Clear & Cut Video. Loved Watching it. Understood Everything He Said 👍😁

  • @StephenRayner
    @StephenRayner 3 года назад +1

    Can you cover react-native-web? Architecting out a new solution at work currently considering it.
    Also looking at how to manage consistency between our product, design and development team. So considering storybooks, already using Figma and I intend to make a UI library. Would be good to see a video on building a UI library.

  • @reneg1155
    @reneg1155 3 года назад +1

    Hey! You are the guy who created VS Code Stories. Awesome!

  • @RVKAWAAA
    @RVKAWAAA 2 года назад

    Love you man, i like this, greeting from Argentina!!

  •  3 года назад +1

    It needs some extra effort to convert React code into React native, it just making reuse easier. Flutter code can be 100 percent reused for Flutter web without any effort. Also Flutter renders faster than React native because it is not using Android's and iOS' native view containers but still looking exactly like a native app (Disclaimer: I just tried to build apps in material design right now).

    • @rvb6516
      @rvb6516 3 года назад +1

      any updates how do you like flutter now

  • @MrMelick
    @MrMelick 3 года назад +8

    Use Blazor so you can C# everywhere

  • @ramasamynp8175
    @ramasamynp8175 3 года назад +4

    Microsoft now uses React Native to build Window apps and Xbox store apps.

    • @Nexus-rt1bm
      @Nexus-rt1bm 3 года назад

      Explains a lot

    • @kolya7921
      @kolya7921 3 года назад

      Yeah! I’ve just known this months ago and this sounds interesting

    • @BcomingHIM
      @BcomingHIM 3 года назад

      Microsoft keeps taking steps in right direction

    • @vkray
      @vkray 3 года назад

      It was my decision.

  • @danielvillarroel8356
    @danielvillarroel8356 3 года назад +1

    Im willing to give up some speed and just build an app once. I rather save 5+months plus you can always make React Native faster I think, just needs more development ?

  • @keot777
    @keot777 Год назад +2

    You mentioned React Native's biggest "advantage" is that it uses JavaScript... and that's EXACTLY the reason why I hate it so much 🤣🤣 along the unnecessary "web like" notation for every single freaking component.

    • @lazyh0rse
      @lazyh0rse Год назад

      Did you try using typescript instead? I think you would love it

  • @dotio5664
    @dotio5664 3 года назад +1

    What do you think of capacitorjs or Cordova, where you just run your PWA inside of a web view as an app(addressing your issue with PWAs)?

  • @nanonkay5669
    @nanonkay5669 3 года назад +1

    Them dry jokes is what I'm always here for 🤣

  • @ofjdaz
    @ofjdaz 3 года назад

    I never thought a developer could have a rockstar attitude

  • @_dinesh
    @_dinesh Год назад +2

    Interesting thoughts 🙌.
    I know this video is a couple of years old. Flutter has come a long way now.
    IMO React native is clunky and does not give consistent behavior across all devices because of the Metro bridge. In some devices, it can be considerably slower. flutter on the other hand has consistence experience. Flutter also has great tooling and development experience. Yes, you cannot share code in Flutter without website. But they can share the same server-side API. There are always going to be some downsides no matter what technology you choose. I don't mind writing extra code for the sake of reliability and performance.

  • @amineabdellahoui5912
    @amineabdellahoui5912 3 года назад +1

    In one word I love you !

  • @guyguy7714
    @guyguy7714 3 года назад +1

    1:19 wow shots fired

  • @Stevexupen
    @Stevexupen 2 года назад

    agree completely with your point, but still go with swift and kotlin route because i just like learning different programming paradigms in general (and i like pain and suffering apparently?)

  • @fidelhen6361
    @fidelhen6361 3 года назад +1

    Flutter is where it's at dawg

  • @anonanon9880
    @anonanon9880 2 года назад +2

    It's 2022, can flutter make websites now?

  • @timrc666
    @timrc666 2 года назад

    Bro the mechanical arm zuck thing just won you a sub my dude hahahah bravo 10/10

  • @benharrybornemann5474
    @benharrybornemann5474 Год назад

    To the point. Care to take a look at flutter for web now and share your opinion? Or too busy with your startup?

  • @Kaze919
    @Kaze919 3 года назад

    As someone just coming to programming his logic makes total sense here.

  • @erictheawesomest
    @erictheawesomest 3 года назад +2

    I think flutter for web could be cool one day. I just don’t like the idea of not being able to use html

    • @vaibhav1180
      @vaibhav1180 3 года назад +1

      Not able to inspect also😂

    • @vaibhav1180
      @vaibhav1180 3 года назад

      + it's on canvas, the last child element is canvas

    • @vaibhav1180
      @vaibhav1180 3 года назад

      Needs 3 files to load and then the first content shows up, one file is main.dart and other two are of web assembly for canvas loading

  • @AndrushkaEpic
    @AndrushkaEpic 2 года назад

    I got addicted to ract-native, im making now a shop book app, and I get to sleep at 03 at night cause i love react-native so much

  • @DevlogBill
    @DevlogBill 2 года назад +1

    Hi Ben, if I recently learned the fundamentals of JavaScript what else should I need to learn in order to learn react native? What would you recommend??

    • @Ivcota
      @Ivcota 2 года назад

      Hey bro. You don't need to learn Node.js to start learning React Native. Just learn Fundamentals and ES6 JavaScript. Learn how to use React useState, useEffect hooks at bare minimum .

    • @DevlogBill
      @DevlogBill 2 года назад

      @@Ivcota i will try that thank you

  • @shilangyu
    @shilangyu 3 года назад +3

    You can put PWAs on the play store (and hopefully soon on app store)

  • @Alphfirm
    @Alphfirm 3 года назад +3

    What are your thoughts on Ionic React / Capacitor?

    • @abhvr
      @abhvr 3 года назад

      I’ve had a blast using Ionic and capacitor. Plus it’s much more forward thinking with stencil web components and native wrapper for any platform. Haven’t tried their ci/cd app flow but from what I’ve heard it’s buttery.

  • @SeanGoresht
    @SeanGoresht 3 года назад

    Overall, I think this viewpoint makes sense. However, Cordova does still exist as well as Node-Webkit, so other combinations do exist. Also note that to build iOS apps, you will NEED XCode unlike Android dev studio which works on any machine (though I imagine anyone watching this video already knew this).

    • @SeanGoresht
      @SeanGoresht 3 года назад

      Point being that you CAN just embed your "app" in a web view and ship it as an "app" if you really want (a la Cordova).

  • @mr.c7411
    @mr.c7411 3 года назад

    Depends on the need

  • @avnishpandey113
    @avnishpandey113 3 года назад

    Thanks. Was really insightful!

  • @samnaghavi9775
    @samnaghavi9775 3 года назад

    if I'm wrong please correct me but you can do tons of stuff with js but you only use dart in flutter. so when choosing between these two. the core language itself should be considerd a factor.

  • @llamatronian101
    @llamatronian101 Год назад

    Strange alternative option: use Tauri and write all your native apps in HTML, CSS, and Rust.

  • @vent1narc
    @vent1narc 3 года назад +33

    Flutter ftw

    • @DavidSmith-ef4eh
      @DavidSmith-ef4eh 3 года назад +1

      @@SourceHades How would you make such a framework without OOP? How would you use it without the IDE autocompletions? Functional programming shouldn't be a dogma. It's not the best solution for everything.

    • @DavidSmith-ef4eh
      @DavidSmith-ef4eh 3 года назад +1

      @@SourceHades For me it's easier to navigate code structured into classes. I don't know what the advantage of FP is, except forcing immutability to prevent potential errors. The other advantage might be the ability to reuse code easier, but dart supports Mixins very well, so you can have composition instead of inheritance in your classes.

    • @DavidSmith-ef4eh
      @DavidSmith-ef4eh 3 года назад

      @@SourceHades also, the flip side of immutability is a performance loss and higher memory usage. Duplicating objects is not cheap, it's probably better to mutate their props. (I guess this is not that important in many cases, but still)

    • @DavidSmith-ef4eh
      @DavidSmith-ef4eh 3 года назад

      @@SourceHades depends how you use them I guess. In my case I just use them to provide generic methods to the main class. I just wish typescript had such a great Mixins support. I don't advocate using them everywhere, but it's a nice tool to have. As far I know, react used to support Mixins pattern, but JS is not a statically typed language and without native support for them, it truly is a mess. I wish TS would implement the Mixins pattern, but doubt it, they don't want to deviate too far from JS.

  • @MrTungDev
    @MrTungDev 3 года назад +1

    Ben: It's the best option.
    Me (worked on RN, Ionic, Flutter): ah...OK :)

  • @RemotHuman
    @RemotHuman 6 месяцев назад

    What about using a website disguised as an app, with something like capacitor for native bindings

  • @chordfunc3072
    @chordfunc3072 3 года назад

    Your critic of flutter is valid if you are just looking to do a quick port of a website to an app... but generally, I just find that the things the mobile app requires are not exactly the same as the website. Mobile apps have interactions and animations that a website often doesn't have, so you'll have to do a good amount of rewrites either way just on the view side. Business logic is often also on the server if your "business" is easily portable anyway. You'll of course have to do some clientside validation as well. But writing client side validation is pretty quick and easy. if you are in the business of doing more low-level stuff not just validating "business rules" I think flutter is a really good middle-ground. I think RN is cool an all, but I just don't personally find it that useful, its been a while since I've tried it out though, but back in the day, it was just painful. I used to do native development in java and swift, but these days 80% of everything I do is flutter. It's so great. I'm definitely a bit of a flutter fanboy, and I hope flutter for web becomes usable... I hate dealing with CSS and HTML directly😂 Thanks for the content, keep it up!