1. If you learn native you will switch into crossplatform in a second. 2. As a native dev you have opportunity to work in a big companies and your financial/code skill ceiling is much higher. 3. At some stage of crossplatform dev you will need native knowledge anyway.
Yeah apps aren't doing any crazy rendering where performance becomes a top priority so you're super spot on there. I have been building using react native for some time now and I have never really noticed any issues. Great video btw!!
So far from what I noticed, what's really hard on working with multiplatform is if you're making an IOT app, that needs to exchange command in the form of bytes that is sent to the device. Granted sometimes the manufacturer of the device you are working with offers a multiplatform SDK, but most of the time they don't, so eventually you have to dig deep into native code implementing the command sets yourself in which at that point it's just better to go native all the way.
I think Flutter is now became much more popular. Flutter is best option of discussed, because it also provides single code base for different platforms, without loosing performance. If App is more dependant on hardware usage (like Games), then Natives (Swift / Kotlin) are best option. Mostly Flutter can be used.
Except if you want to build web and mobile with same codebase. Flutter kinda sucks for web whereas using RN for web and mobile using things like Solito and Tamagui is pretty good.
@@wezter96 The problem with react native is the limited ui in the concept of look, flutter can provide unlimited modern look towards our ui elements, you can make any ui element without any hestitation, and in react native most of times is barely possible without frustration or boilerplate an example is circular progressbar in react native you need reanimated + skia that has many lines of code and in flutter its 4 lines of code including curly brackets, so ye i pref productivity than the whole shithole altho youre right in terms of sharing the code between web and mobile especially if you already have a web app and wanna extend your product to mobile react native is the only goal as long as its react based web app otherwise flutter is the only way to go.
en mi caso me quiero especializar en iOS, pero como estoy apenas iniciando en el desarrollo móvil, decidí irme primero por flutter ya que me permite hacer con un solo código apps para iOS, Android, web y PC, por lo que me permitiría trabajar de manera freelance. Gracias por el video desde Colombia
Great video, totally balanced and agree with you. Have programmed natively with Swift and Kotlin for many years which I love but mainly use React Native now as the performance difference for 99% of the apps I’m working on is not enough to warrant writing twice in native and end user would be none the wiser. If I had a use case to do so I would but so far React Native working really well for me and also the fact that it is quick to get general React developers up and running on React Native too and share same React idioms across web and mobile app development especially nice using TypeScript. But appreciate also very much depends on project / team / background skill sets etc.. Also interesting Xamarin is not mentioned anymore (I was certified developer in 2015) which I can understand and now replaced with MAUI I believe which is Xamarin Forms from what I can make out ?
TBH JetBrains made writing cross-platform code in Kotlin (called Kotlin Multiplatform) much easier via Jetbook Compose basically like Flutter if JetBrains owed it. In theory, you don't need to learn swift (Objective-C) for Apple OS applications with this new framework it surpasses the traditional Kotlin/Swift codepath. React Native and Flutter (Dart Programming) are still options though.
For most of the general cases Flutter is the best in my opinion. The cases where the cost-benefit ratio won't apply are very specific, like yours. You wanted to use something that probably Firebase would do the job, but you wanted to use something else.
Should learn Objective-C for Apple first ,then Java for Android, then Swift again for Apple ,then Kotlin for Android again and so on ...Never ending story ...😅
Would performance matter for a TikTok clone app? Basically I want to have an app that is similar to TikTok where you watch vertical videos that you can scroll through. I followed a react native tutorial which used AWS S3 and the video is a bit laggy, sometimes the video takes a while to load and it's nowhere near as slick as TikTok. Is it possible to do this sort of thing in react native? Can it reach a comparable level to TikTok performance if I were to spend time trying to optimise the react native code?
HI @jasonthedesigner honestly if someone was starting a career I would still say native is the approach to go. Have been in the cross platform space for 10-11 years and have seen lots of cross platforms come and go like Cordova,Ionic, NativeScript, Xamarin, Native is always the most stable option. I have a feeling React Native will outlive Flutter not because it is better but just that it allows people from web background to move whereas Dart is honestly a learning curve in organizations when you could have a React dev. Although it is niche it is also limiting in terms of opportunities. Flutter has been for more than 5-6 years and honestly I have not seen google promoting it as intensively and its adoption as compared to what it should be
@@OpyJoe People have been saying this same thing for like 5 years now and the Flutter and Dart team keep releasing great updates that improves the technology. It ain't going anywhere anytime soon
Skia is not dedicated copied from chrome. Dedicated Impeller rendering engine is released a few months ago and its superior to skia and its the default for a few months now but.. This is the forth video I encontered that doesn't even mention it. 🤨I feel really salty at this.
In the case of post hog can you mix flutter and native development easily? E.g. could I make calls to a facade that I create in Kotlin/Swift native that I call out to from flutter?
I wouldn’t trust it. MS bought Xamarin and they have a habit of dripping support. I’ve used Xamarin Mac for a big project. A few months ago, MS released a brand new editor for Mac and a few months later announced that Xamarin Mac will be discontinued next year! I think MAUI has no future, tbh
if I want to build an application that i want both on iOS and Andriod that communicates with IoT Devices such as fans or lights, what's the best way? should i go react native? any help or input would be nice. I have programming knowledge so adapting to any is okay by me but i really wanna know whats the best and easiest way to go about it since i will be the only one developing it
The publishing part for react native and the native support is terrible compared to flutter. You need to depend on a 3rd party freemium service (expo) to get an experience that is still ten times more complicated and buggy and limited than what flutter offers out of the box.
Have been in the cross platform mobile space for close to 10 years. I honestly would still vouch for native as a major and cross platform like React Native or Flutter as a secondary thing. I feel native helps you master a single platform more deeply and platforms like React Native open your potential to web if you want to move down the full stack path. Although crossplatform is a quick way to build for both it makes you more niche and specific and I have seen a lot of platforms evolving and changing from Cordova to Ionic to React Native , Flutter, NativeScript, Xamarin. I would follow the native path as in the long run it is stable, it pays you well and follow crossplatform as a minor
I helped build out the initial version with her but then stepped away after a few months. It's 100% her app now though - I was just there in the beginning haha
Yeah, nowadays comparing performance between frameworks is just a matter of milliseconds to compile, open de app first time, so it becomes totally IRRELEVANT. “Oh look at my app is 100% native” OK, nobody cares but you…
Terrible view IMO. Said Flutter uses Skia when now the default is Impeller for iOS and soon to be for other platforms as well. Within performance, Flutter may consistently reach 60fps but that doesn't mean the end product "feels native." I 100% prefer Flutter to RN but RN wins in terms of performance. Numbers can only get you so far. When you get both in your hand, you'll be able to tell that one feels native and one feels like Flutter. Not to mention performance and community support are two random metrics you chose to use to pick which one is best. If you're actually talking about developer experience, you'd mention that Flutter has many, many more first-party widgets than RN has components. Also Flutter not having OTA updates (Shroebird coming soon though) while RN does. Why not mention how React Native is three years older than Flutter? This video was spoken like someone who has never actually used these technologies.
someone got triggered because he didnt fanboy over flutter and said its the best ever and that everyone should drop RN and native for flutter :b He basically said, use whatever you want, just analyze your exact needs before starting development
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1. If you learn native you will switch into crossplatform in a second.
2. As a native dev you have opportunity to work in a big companies and your financial/code skill ceiling is much higher.
3. At some stage of crossplatform dev you will need native knowledge anyway.
you will or can ?
@@bullymaguire2335 I think he meant can
Yeah apps aren't doing any crazy rendering where performance becomes a top priority so you're super spot on there. I have been building using react native for some time now and I have never really noticed any issues. Great video btw!!
Yep people over emphasize theoretical performance when really it takes a lot to push an app to really struggle with performance haha
@@YourAverageTechBro same I use an android framework Droidscript that uses a bridge like react and I use js, no performance problems
yo accept my beta application please xD
Now that's a Developer who did his research before making a video, ugh, you're a breath of fresh air, have my subscription
😅😅
So far from what I noticed, what's really hard on working with multiplatform is if you're making an IOT app, that needs to exchange command in the form of bytes that is sent to the device. Granted sometimes the manufacturer of the device you are working with offers a multiplatform SDK, but most of the time they don't, so eventually you have to dig deep into native code implementing the command sets yourself in which at that point it's just better to go native all the way.
For IoT let the backend handle that. For the front end it should be like with a 'normal' app
I think Flutter is now became much more popular. Flutter is best option of discussed, because it also provides single code base for different platforms, without loosing performance. If App is more dependant on hardware usage (like Games), then Natives (Swift / Kotlin) are best option. Mostly Flutter can be used.
Except if you want to build web and mobile with same codebase.
Flutter kinda sucks for web whereas using RN for web and mobile using things like Solito and Tamagui is pretty good.
@@wezter96 The problem with react native is the limited ui in the concept of look, flutter can provide unlimited modern look towards our ui elements, you can make any ui element without any hestitation, and in react native most of times is barely possible without frustration or boilerplate an example is circular progressbar in react native you need reanimated + skia that has many lines of code and in flutter its 4 lines of code including curly brackets, so ye i pref productivity than the whole shithole altho youre right in terms of sharing the code between web and mobile especially if you already have a web app and wanna extend your product to mobile react native is the only goal as long as its react based web app otherwise flutter is the only way to go.
Are you sure?
You missed out Kotlin KMP and Jetpack Compose Multiplatform
en mi caso me quiero especializar en iOS, pero como estoy apenas iniciando en el desarrollo móvil, decidí irme primero por flutter ya que me permite hacer con un solo código apps para iOS, Android, web y PC, por lo que me permitiría trabajar de manera freelance.
Gracias por el video desde Colombia
Great video, totally balanced and agree with you. Have programmed natively with Swift and Kotlin for many years which I love but mainly use React Native now as the performance difference for 99% of the apps I’m working on is not enough to warrant writing twice in native and end user would be none the wiser. If I had a use case to do so I would but so far React Native working really well for me and also the fact that it is quick to get general React developers up and running on React Native too and share same React idioms across web and mobile app development especially nice using TypeScript. But appreciate also very much depends on project / team / background skill sets etc.. Also interesting Xamarin is not mentioned anymore (I was certified developer in 2015) which I can understand and now replaced with MAUI I believe which is Xamarin Forms from what I can make out ?
what do you think about using KMM?
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TBH JetBrains made writing cross-platform code in Kotlin (called Kotlin Multiplatform) much easier via Jetbook Compose basically like Flutter if JetBrains owed it. In theory, you don't need to learn swift (Objective-C) for Apple OS applications with this new framework it surpasses the traditional Kotlin/Swift codepath. React Native and Flutter (Dart Programming) are still options though.
For most of the general cases Flutter is the best in my opinion. The cases where the cost-benefit ratio won't apply are very specific, like yours. You wanted to use something that probably Firebase would do the job, but you wanted to use something else.
good points all around!
One of the main reasons I started on Flutter dev is because of the reliable Type strict language
Bro you should make playlists that are categorized in different areas, love your vids 💯
Super useful video man! Honestly most times, just choosing a framework is the hardest part haha
yep agreed haha
A minute into the video, I realise your glasses are off-centre. Can't unsee D:
Should learn Objective-C for Apple first ,then Java for Android, then Swift again for Apple ,then Kotlin for Android again and so on ...Never ending story ...😅
This video came at a good time! Great video as always dawg
Glad you enjoyed!
you forgot to include kotlin multiplatform too :)
Is kotlin cross platform now ?
@@Masda.X yes it can compile to obj C which is usable by swift
@@giuliopimenoff thanks
Would you stay at a company that hired you to do native, but 1 year later forces you to go cross platform?
I think Kotlin is my all-time favourite, but I also wanna try Flutter in future...
How bro tell me a road map to become mobile app development with Kotlin
Would performance matter for a TikTok clone app? Basically I want to have an app that is similar to TikTok where you watch vertical videos that you can scroll through. I followed a react native tutorial which used AWS S3 and the video is a bit laggy, sometimes the video takes a while to load and it's nowhere near as slick as TikTok. Is it possible to do this sort of thing in react native? Can it reach a comparable level to TikTok performance if I were to spend time trying to optimise the react native code?
Im worried if I start developing in Flutter Google will EOL it in a year. Is that a real concern for anyone?
Me too
HI @jasonthedesigner honestly if someone was starting a career I would still say native is the approach to go. Have been in the cross platform space for 10-11 years and have seen lots of cross platforms come and go like Cordova,Ionic, NativeScript, Xamarin, Native is always the most stable option. I have a feeling React Native will outlive Flutter not because it is better but just that it allows people from web background to move whereas Dart is honestly a learning curve in organizations when you could have a React dev. Although it is niche it is also limiting in terms of opportunities. Flutter has been for more than 5-6 years and honestly I have not seen google promoting it as intensively and its adoption as compared to what it should be
@@OpyJoe People have been saying this same thing for like 5 years now and the Flutter and Dart team keep releasing great updates that improves the technology. It ain't going anywhere anytime soon
That's impossible tbh
Lol meta wrote their whole app in native (kotlin,swift) , they also used jetpack compose for their new threads application
React native no longer needs bridge
Super concise video. Thanks.❤❤❤
Always native will be in our hearts!
Cross- platform go by
cross platform is pretty impt imo I'm a big fan
Native is best ❤
Skia is not dedicated copied from chrome.
Dedicated Impeller rendering engine is released a few months ago and its superior to skia and its the default for a few months now but..
This is the forth video I encontered that doesn't even mention it. 🤨I feel really salty at this.
Any ideas as to why Fiverr is predominantly filled with Flutter developers? Is that indicative of a softer barrier to entry?
Easier entry. Framework already includes scaffolding.
So helpful. Thank you very much!!
How about .NET MAUI?
There may be another one replacing flutter or react native. But Swift & Kotlin are here and stay
In the case of post hog can you mix flutter and native development easily? E.g. could I make calls to a facade that I create in Kotlin/Swift native that I call out to from flutter?
Since Facebook is not involved with react native anymore does it mean its community support will diminish ?
React natives secret weapon is expo. The fact that it allows me to build for android and iOS without needing Mac hardware is huge
Is there any place for .NET MAUI in app development
I'll be honest I have never heard of .net maui 😬
.net maui ui libraries are still very poor, it's just a mess. not ready yet
I wouldn’t trust it. MS bought Xamarin and they have a habit of dripping support. I’ve used Xamarin Mac for a big project. A few months ago, MS released a brand new editor for Mac and a few months later announced that Xamarin Mac will be discontinued next year!
I think MAUI has no future, tbh
What about Kotlin Multiplatform? It seems to be in a super early stage (at least for exporting to iOS) though.
XD
@@vanessamunoz3390 ?
React native now is amazing ❤
Well, it is going to change with compose multiplatform
thanks a lot for such a great breakdown!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
i do think discord run very slow in android. Every update making it noticeably slower and my android is quite high end.
Beautifully said
I honestly thought we can now develop cross platform applications using kotlin. I saw that in a recent update on their website.
maybe! I've never tried it out myself
Yes, but it's really new and there's not much support for it. It has a lot of potential though
Hey thanks for nice video,
Can you please give credit for who has this video in RUclips or website?
At 1:07 flutter moving background slider ?
Je wala sahi jai😅
if I want to build an application that i want both on iOS and Andriod that communicates with IoT Devices such as fans or lights, what's the best way? should i go react native? any help or input would be nice. I have programming knowledge so adapting to any is okay by me but i really wanna know whats the best and easiest way to go about it since i will be the only one developing it
i thought kotlin is also cross platform, am i wrong?
It is becoming I think
New method
Kotlin is multiplatform, kotlin/jvm for android and yeah, compatible with java
Thanks for the info
No problem 👍
Wrong, React native also supports SKIA. It can reach same or even better performance than flutter.
The publishing part for react native and the native support is terrible compared to flutter. You need to depend on a 3rd party freemium service (expo) to get an experience that is still ten times more complicated and buggy and limited than what flutter offers out of the box.
any update on if posthog and flutter have gotten a better support lately?
Mantap sekali ini folio, kayaknya next project akan make ini aja deh 😍
what about app size
in perfromance you should also , mention problem of skyia enginee with ios' enginee
haha yeah woops should've mentioned it. I may have accidentally edited it out
kmm for kotlin is joke?
Came here for clarity and you confused me more..😂
Average bro, do you think flutter is overhyped. Will you prefer KMP now?
NO mencionastes a Framework Maui Net..... ;(
What abou xamarin and maui 😅
right now I'm struggling with Flutter Local Notifications and I just can't implement them in my app. I look at swift and it looks so easy... sigh.
You forgot to include kivy & kivyMD for python
Not Skia but Impelar
Elexir
What if Flutter has strengths that React Native doesn't have?
Like what?
@@ak-loz Networking?
web react developers can learn expo RN in 1 day
Yh
I'm planning to become a cross platform mobile app developer please give me advise which framework i should learn
Dart and flutter
Have been in the cross platform mobile space for close to 10 years. I honestly would still vouch for native as a major and cross platform like React Native or Flutter as a secondary thing. I feel native helps you master a single platform more deeply and platforms like React Native open your potential to web if you want to move down the full stack path. Although crossplatform is a quick way to build for both it makes you more niche and specific and I have seen a lot of platforms evolving and changing from Cordova to Ionic to React Native , Flutter, NativeScript, Xamarin. I would follow the native path as in the long run it is stable, it pays you well and follow crossplatform as a minor
thought kotlin has cross-platform feature
This one says react native has better performance than flutter: ruclips.net/video/tTGWfXPKxf4/видео.html
How much has Facebook paid you to advertise for react native
At this point, everything seems better than react.
fix the flutter library and make a PR
Two words: function components
Over done audio
Flutter created for developers, RN created for ppl
1 question is enough do you have macbook yes watch this video no go learn kotlin
i thought todewy was created by engineer girlfriend 🤔
I helped build out the initial version with her but then stepped away after a few months. It's 100% her app now though - I was just there in the beginning haha
Named all those apps that use React and all I can remember about them is they're all trash
First to comment 🎉
congrats friend 🫡
I'm never, EVER going back to React Native!! 🤮
Why?
Same. I regret not learning flutter first
video is full of misinformation.
Yeah, nowadays comparing performance between frameworks is just a matter of milliseconds to compile, open de app first time, so it becomes totally IRRELEVANT. “Oh look at my app is 100% native” OK, nobody cares but you…
Terrible view IMO. Said Flutter uses Skia when now the default is Impeller for iOS and soon to be for other platforms as well. Within performance, Flutter may consistently reach 60fps but that doesn't mean the end product "feels native." I 100% prefer Flutter to RN but RN wins in terms of performance. Numbers can only get you so far. When you get both in your hand, you'll be able to tell that one feels native and one feels like Flutter. Not to mention performance and community support are two random metrics you chose to use to pick which one is best. If you're actually talking about developer experience, you'd mention that Flutter has many, many more first-party widgets than RN has components. Also Flutter not having OTA updates (Shroebird coming soon though) while RN does. Why not mention how React Native is three years older than Flutter? This video was spoken like someone who has never actually used these technologies.
someone got triggered because he didnt fanboy over flutter and said its the best ever and that everyone should drop RN and native for flutter :b
He basically said, use whatever you want, just analyze your exact needs before starting development